The Lies Never Stop

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Boy I cannot believe how much people lie about me. Almost every single thing my enemies say about me is a flat-out lie. At best they are deliberate distortions deviously taken out of context or misinterpreted to make me look bad. It’s hard to believe so many people are full of so much hate.

Here are some samples.

Robert Lindsay had a friend draw it. At least thats what he said. Le is saying it is not legitimate and are not condoning it.

Two heads comparison

The drawing in question is on the right.

Of course I didn’t have a friend draw it! I think I got it off Websleuths. It’s provenance is uncertain.

My enemies are retarded. They are confusing two different drawings.

One was of a young man who looks nothing like Bridge Guy. This is the one that LE immediately denounced and said was not commissioned by them.

The one above however that I found on Websleuths had comments with it stating that this drawing was apparently drawn by an LE artist. I am not aware of LE ever renouncing this photo even once.

Robert Lindsay has been on his blog all weekend, accusing everyone under the sun of killing the girls. First, he said it was someone that would knock us out of our seats (that never came, however). Then he accused Abbie’s boyfriend and his father. Then another father/son duo with the last name of “S”. Then that SAME family, but this time the uncle/nephew duo.

First it was a murder to keep them quiet because Abbie was pregnant and they didn’t want to deal with the baby and then it was a “botched abortion” that was never meant to be a murder. (So what does he think happened? The men were going to pull the girls off the bridge, give Abbie an abortion, and then send them on their merry way?) A very long blog entry talks about 13 years old girls and their sexual appetites. (Y’all can find that one on your own.) He also suspects a Satanic conspiracy.

Basically, Robert has thrown a bunch of things at the wall to see what sticks. His followers continue to “thank him” for providing such “good” updates and information, even though he’s getting his info from forums, boards, and messageboards and then just rewriting him.

I have no idea if any of his theories are correct. However, if they’re not, then he’s dragging a bunch of people through the mud.

I am not accusing anyone of doing this crime. We do have some folks who I and others regard as suspects or POI’s.

Incidentally, none of these people or theories came from me. They come from two women, one in Delphi and another in a nearby town, who have done more research on this case than anyone I know outside of LE. These theories and the suspects are from them. I know you all do not like me “stealing” suspects and theories, but that’s just tough shit.

We have elaborated on these women’s theories. I have no idea if these men are guilty or not. That is for LE to determine.

Incidentally the theory and suspects coming from these women are the only ones I have heard so far that are coherent, make much sense and explain the facts of the case.  That doesn’t mean it’s true, but it’s the best theory so far.

As far as dragging names through the mud, every forum, in particular the Topix forum where this slug slithered out of it, has been naming people with real names and faces all over the place. They have probably named 50-100 people by now.

I have never accused Abbie’s boyfriend of a thing. Nor have I accused his father of a thing. I am also not accusing any father-son duo with the last name S. I don’t know where they came up with that because I never said it.

Then the same family, but this time an uncle/nephew team of doing it.

I never said that either. It is true that we regard some members of the S. family as suspects or POI’s.

First it was a murder to keep them quiet because Abbie was pregnant and they didn’t want to deal with the baby

Correct, and this is the best theory on this murder I have heard so far.

then it was a “botched abortion” that was never meant to be a murder.

We don’t know. Maybe they intended to leave her alive, or maybe they intended to kill her. Further, there is superb evidence for this botched abortion theory.

So what does he think happened? The men were going to pull the girls off the bridge, give Abbie an abortion, and then send them on their merry way?

Actually, some of us thought that maybe they were going to do an amateur abortion on one girl and then terrorize both of them into silence by threatening to kill them if they said anything. If someone threatened to kill me if I talked, I might never talk. This is a valid theory in my opinion.

A very long blog entry talks about 13 years old girls and their sexual appetites. (Y’all can find that one on your own.)

This post says absolutely no such thing about 13 year old girls and their sexual appetites, though obviously that is a valid thing to write about considering the avalanche of lies I am hearing about this subject. Did you know that 10’s of millions of grown women claim 13 year old girls have no sex drive whatsoever? Incredible, isn’t it?

The blog points out the severe puritanism involved in accusing me of libeling a dead girl by saying she had sex. Even if she was 13, it’s not libel to suggest she had sex. It’s only libel if you think sex is some horrible evil and it’s a diabolical insult to accuse a pure and virginal 13 year old angel of such beastly behavior. It’s not libel to state a 13 year old girl had sex because there’s nothing wrong with 13 year old girls having sex. A libel has to be an insult, and that’s not an insult.

I don’t care if 13 year old girls have sex. They can do it all they want for all I care. I only wish that they not get pregnant as a result. The post also states my opinion that teenage minors have free sexual agency and should have a right to have sex with any other teenage minors.

He also suspects a Satanic conspiracy.

Actually, I don’t. This is just another theory from the women I discussed above. These theories are their babies. We are considering a Satanic motive to this crime, especially as two of our POI’s are said to be practicing Satanists with deep involvement in a local occult circle in Carroll County. One of these men is almost certainly a Satanist.

Basically, Robert has thrown a bunch of things at the wall to see what sticks.

Exactly. This is precisely what I want everyone to do. Throw out any theory you have out there, any POI’s or suspects you have, and let’s see what you’ve got. Incidentally this is the approach used by all good detectives.

even though he’s getting his info from forums, boards, and message boards and then just rewriting him.

I do not know how many times I have answered this. The vast majority of theories and suspects on this site are not my own. I got them from other people, as noted above. I never claimed that I thought them up by myself. This site is a clearinghouse for all information about the case, all suspects and POI’s, from anyone and anywhere.

You got a problem with that? Tough shit.

I have no idea if any of his theories are correct. However, if they’re not, then he’s dragging a bunch of people through the mud.

Tough shit. That’s just too bad, now isn’t it?

We are not naming anyone by name. We are using initials. Also I am not revealing my photographic evidence (yes, I have it) against these suspects. That is available only by emailing me. In addition, my full descriptions of the cases against these 3-4 men are also obtainable from me only by email. I will not put this photo evidence on the site, nor will I spell out the exact cases against these men. It’s not proper to do that in a public forum.

With the precautions we have put in place, we think we are balancing people’s right to privacy against our legal attempts to solve this case.

And if you all don’t like it, well, that’s just too bad.

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To My Female Readers: About Magneto’s Post

Magneto is a pretty incendiary fellow, but in part that’s why I like him writing for me. This site is sort of all about stirring the pot and getting people all riled up for shits and giggles.

Anyway, a lot of my female readers are upset about Magneto’s post. I am not sure I agree with it myself. Pretty much the only women I deal with are White women. My basic position is that I love women, and I have felt this way for a very long time. So my position is that I love women, and most women I deal with are White women. I guess that means I love White women? I have no idea because questions like do I love White women or do I hate white women or any other race of women for that matter simply never enter my mind.

Misogyny of any type is a trap. As is misandry. Heterosexuals should not hate the opposite sex.

Believe me, I understand full well why men hate women, and I have a lot of reasons for taking that road myself. It’s just that I don’t do it because I have as many reasons for loving them as I do for hating them. I choose to focus on what I love about women and ignore what I don’t like about them.

I had a misogynistic phase for a while which I feel no guilt about. I must say that it did not work. My position is misogyny doesn’t work. I have no idea how misogynistic womanizers even exist because when I was in that phase women were picking up on my anger and throwing it right back at me.

Believe me, I understand why women hate men! Sometimes I wonder why you even put up with us at all considering how we treat you. I don’t think man-hating works for women either. That’s a trap too.

These things are both mental traps. You are locking yourself into a prison when you think like this.

Getting back to the subject, we believe in equal time. So you women (or even men) who disagree with Magneto have a right to a response as a guest poster. You will have to disagree with him civilly though.

There’s a fee. You have to pay $20 to be a guest poster, which is waived if you have donated at least that. After that, you can post as much as you want within reasonable limits.

However, you must write well. This site is a showcase for good writing, or it’s supposed to be. I would say you have to write at least as well as Magneto or thereabouts. So if you think you write well and would  like to be a guest author to present the other side, by all means email me, and we will see how it goes.

Alpha and I will have to see a sample of your writing. Alpha is my co-blogger on this site. She is an anti-racist Black woman.  She will review your prose also. If you don’t think you write well, don’t even bother applying, as we will have to reject you.

However, I think some of my female commenters write well enough to be guest authors.

I made this post to show you that I am trying to be fair here by addressing both sides.

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“Are Brown Women the Answer for White Men?” by Magneto

Are Brown Women the Answer for White Men?

by Magneto

You don’t have to be a sociologist to figure out that feminism has hit White women the hardest. Feminism has influenced and affected all races of women, of course. But it seems that White women have become the most toxic women on the planet due to it. Is there some racial or cultural reason for this? I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this and here are some of my ideas.

White women have never been an oppressed race of women. Throughout history, White women have been the most privileged and spoiled race of women on earth. White women were treated like queens and never had to do manual labor outdoors in the hot sun like Black slave women or Brown women working in hot kitchens to cook meals for their families. White women never even had to learn to cook because they would just hire a Brown woman to do the cooking for them.

So you have this category of extremely privileged women who have developed a massive ego superiority complex over hundreds of years, and then you brainwash them with the idea that they are oppressed? Of course they will swallow such nonsense. It’s like a spoiled child. If you tell a spoiled child that they are a victim and are suffering from oppression, the spoiled child will believe you. Not because they are oppressed, but because they have become such extremely selfish people due to years of being spoiled.

Therefore the root cause seems to be selfishness. I think it’s safe to say that White women are the most selfish race of women on this planet. Of course there are some rare exceptions, but for the most part, do you see White women sacrificing their own happiness to serve their families the way that Brown and Black women do? Can you imagine a White woman voluntarily staying home to lovingly raise her children the same way that Brown women do?

Nope. White women are brainwashed that they need to live and experience the world and they can settle down later on in life. So while Brown and Black women are at home raising children and taking care of their families, White women are travelling all over the world and getting pumped and dumped like trashy whores.

I remember that I briefly dated a Mexican woman after I had just had a pretty bad experience with a White American woman. I was talking to the Mexican girl and telling her about the White girl, and the Mexican girl said, “She sounds like a very selfish person”. It really hit me at that point how different White women and Brown women are. Looking at that sexy Mexican girl with her dark brown skin, dark eyes, and black hair, I felt so attracted to and connected with her. I had never really had that kind of connection with a White woman, ever.

To summarize what I am trying to express in an overly simplistic way. If you marry a White woman, expect to get treated like shit by her, and there is a very real possibility she will divorce you, kidnap your kids from you, destroy you financially and emotionally in divorce, and then use the kids and custody as a weapon of extortion against you to try to literally drive you to suicide. White women are the embodiment of extreme selfishness. Now, on the other hand, if you marry a Brown or Black woman? You can expect to come home every day to a loving wife who will treat you with respect, who will lovingly raise your children, and who will be supportive of you and be a partner with you instead of a competitor.

White women have simply lost the ability to be good wives and mothers. I sometimes doubt if White women were ever good wives and mothers at any time in human history or if they have always been such extremely selfish creatures. Brown women are natural and are the embodiment of feminine grace and beauty. I think many White men realize all of this on a subconscious level, and that is why so many White guys marry Asian or Brown women.

White women are truly the Achilles heel of the White race. The Western world is in a state of total collapse right now, and it is directly the result of White women’s selfish life choices. I would advise all sane White males to turn towards Brown, Asian, or Black women and live a peaceful and happy life with them. Leave trashy White women behind and let them get pumped and dumped by White Trash trailer park garbage. Already it is happening. White men who are married to Asian, Brown, or Black women make $10K more dollars per year on average than White men who are married to White women. So that’s just more proof that if you’re a White male and want to have a successful life, the best option for you is to marry an Asian, Brown, or Black woman. Marrying a White woman is the quickest way to financial and emotional ruin.

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Thank You Very Much for the Donations!

Note to the readers of this blog.

Robert has done a great job on the Delphi murders. I just read posts by John and Brenda that support the current theory. Robert’s theory is based on information/rumor from Delphi locals. I assume John and Brenda are also local to the area.

Thanks, Robert, for all you have done to explore this crime. The blog has been fascinating from the very beginning.

Everyone reading this should consider sending Robert their appreciation by donating to his blog through the link he provided. I think he asks his regular commentators for a minimum of $10. If you click on ‘contact’ at the top of the page, that will take you to a page where you click on the word ‘contribution’.

Or just go to the top of blog, and click Contribute, which will take you here.

And actually I request $10 minimum from all regular commenters. But Delphi commenters are exempt from this as I am getting so much new traffic from those posts and I do not wish to scare commenters away. A lot of people give more than $10 and some even contribute regularly, nearly every month, often $40-50.

Thank you very much, Mer! You all can rest assured that you are not making me rich or lining the pockets of some rich guy. I just repaired my car today with much-needed repairs. The bill was $553, and I was only able to pay it due to the recent donations that came in, which totaled $710! The rest mostly went to pay this month’s bills.

Thank you so much everyone!

You all really are hiring me when you contribute.

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A Word or Two on “Begging” or “Handouts”

You all really are hiring me when you contribute. It’s like hiring and electrician or a plumber to come work on your house. You are hiring me to write about this case. If I was rich, I might not ask for a dime, but I’m low income and right now this is my only income source. You all are paying my salary to work on this case. And now you have paid for 2 weeks work at a 9-5 job. And I have to put in the time seeing as you all are hiring me.

I get really tired of being told that I am begging here. A beggar sits there with his hand out and asks for money. On the contrary, I am a worker! This stuff is hard work and I put in many hours on this case and other stuff regarding the site. Even when I have women over visiting me, I have to go work on the site when I am supposed to be vacationing with her. They don’t like that too much, but it goes to show you that this is a job that I need to work on most every day, including Saturdays and Sundays. And when I go fly somewhere to stay with some woman for a couple of weeks, I actually continue to work on the site when I am staying with her.

I am asking to be compensated for my labor. All workers ask this. A plumber asks to be compensated for his labor time, as does an attorney, physician or even dishwasher. I am no different from any of them. This is real work, and it’s actually harder than a lot of regular jobs people get paid to do.

According to the beggar theory, I suppose attorneys, physicians, dishwashers, plumbers and electricians are all beggars looking for handouts when they ask to be compensated for their labor time! It’s a pretty unbelievable way to think. Why work for free? You know anyone who works for free? Next time you see a physician, attorney, plumber, electrician, or even dishwasher, why don’t you ask them why they don’t work for free? I dare you to get in their face and accusing them of begging or asking for handouts by the fact that they request to be compensated for their labor.

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No, You Cannot Libel the Dead

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

The dead cannot currently be defamed under English law. This is because defamation, whether it is libel or slander, is a personal action which cannot be assigned or brought on someone’s behalf. … Similarly, where a person commences defamation proceedings but passes away before a decision is reached, the action is abated.

I am now getting accused of libeling Abigail Williams, a dead person. How am I libeling her? I am accusing the poor thing of having sex!

Anyway, I am not accusing her of anything. I have my ear to the ground for the deepest and best rumors going around right inside of Delphi, and I am in connection with amateur sleuths who are doing some of the best work I have ever seen on this case. These people have reported to me that there is deep longstanding rumor in Delphi that Abigail Williams had a boyfriend for months. He is a 16 year old boy whose name is known. There is also a deep and near-secretive whispered rumor that Abbie was pregnant by this boy.

Who told me these diabolical rumors about this poor, untainted virgin maiden? Two women, Two middle aged women. That’s who’s spreading these vile rumors tarnishing the pure and untrammeled reputation of Miss Abigail Williams.

Go take it up with them. It’s your own gender, the females, who are spreading this stuff. I am just passing it along from someone else.

I’m not accusing anyone of anything. I am just saying that there is a rumor saying this and that. By the way, reporting of rumors is generally immune from libel law also, as long as they are stated as such. It’s almost impossible to win a libel case against any real journalist in the US. The free speech laws have been so widely by court precedent that you have to be pretty horrible to lose a libel suit.

Oh, the horrors! Can you imagine, a teenage girl having sex with a teenage boy! Their reputations would be ruined! I mean, that never happens, ever! Teenage girls never have sex with teenage boys!

We are a terribly puritanical culture when you are said to libel a sexually mature human being for stating the so called damaging information that they…! Oh my God! I can’t say the word because I am such an uptight prude! That word! That evil, gross, sickening word! That they had…they had…sex! Oh no, I said the word! Ew gross! What word? Sex! Shhhhhhhhhhhhh that’s an evil word. Don’t say that word! You will go to Hell! God will strike you down!

All you women screaming that a female can be libeled at all by accusing her of having sex, do you support ISIS? The Taliban? I mean that’s the way they think.

Got news for everyone here. There’s nothing wrong with having sex! There’s nothing wrong with any mature human having sex with another mature human, provided it is legal. I don’t even care if 13 and 14 year old girls have sex. Enough of them do anyway. I would just want them to make sure they don’t get pregnant. You can’t stop enormous natural human drives.

Telling mature people to not have sex is like telling to them to not eat, sleep or drink. Sex is a natural human function. It’s a good thing. It’s not an evil that sends you to Hell as so many women on here seem to think.

And it’s legal for underage teens to have sex with each other. Here in California, they can do it all they want. Nor should there be anything LE can do about it.

Teenagers have free sexual agency and should have the right to express their natural sexual desires and perform their normal sexual functions with other teenagers. Why do you want to make it against the law?

Are you a Puritan? A Victorian? A Comstock? A fuddy duddy? A prig? An uptight person? Are you repressed? Where are your sackcloths? Do you flagellate yourself? Are you frigid? Are you impotent? Do you lie there like a fish? Do you get off three seconds after you are in? Do you insist on doing it in the dark because you are so repressed? Are you a lousy lay? Why do you hate sex so much? Too much religion?

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Delphi Murders: Possible Motives

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the overwhelming majority of theories presented here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

I will try to sketch out the possible motives for the Delphi killings based on my latest theory. This theory explains the facts of the case better than any I have seen thus far. Now that does not mean it is true. This theory may be well be completely false as all of the other theories have been so far. But it’s worth looking into.

My new theory of this case comes from two middle aged local women who have done more research into this case than anyone I know. So these are not my theories. They are someone else’s. Nevertheless, I think they bear looking into. I have no idea if there is anything to this theory or not, but we need to look at all theories. That’s what real detectives do.

According to this theory, the key to this whole case is the pregnancy of Abbie Williams. Once you start to figure that out, you can start to figure out the case.

A strong rumor which I have heard exclusively from married women with children in and around Delphi is that Abbie Williams was pregnant. A recent elaboration of the rumor said that she was found to be pregnant on autopsy and the baby was determined to be that of Logan Holder, her 16 year old boyfriend. I would like to point out that this rumor derives not from me but from three women age 35-55, all living in Delphi or nearby, and all of whom are married with children. At least one woman is extremely conservative. If you have concerns with the reporting that Abbie was pregnant, please take it up with these women.

Like a sordid B movie, this whole case may revolve around the pregnancy of a very young teenage girl. Unless she had an abortion, her boyfriend, a 16 year old boy named Jason Holder, was looking at becoming a father at age 16 and a lifetime of child support.

Abbie may have refused to get an abortion. This may have become a serious problem. A problem that needed to be eliminated to preserve the reputation, freedom and finances of a young man and his family.

Now if you are reading this and thinking that the boy having sex with these two girls was the murderer of the girls, you would be wrong. I believe he did not participated in this crime. But other people may have, for the motive listed above.

Another possible motive is Satanism and the occult. The Satanism/occult theory is once again from the local women I know. I have no idea how accurate it is. I am just throwing it out there as a possible motive in the case, but I have no idea whether it was a motive at all here.

There is an active occult circle in Carroll County which has been there for decades. If you read up on this case, you will see locals talking about this occult circle and the many strange goings-on centering around them over the years. Strange things written on buildings, odd gatherings by moonlight in the forest – it’s all so strange and creepy. This Satanic circle is active to this day.

The way it ties into this crime is three of the leading male suspects in this crime, age 45 and 55, were reportedly active members of this circle and practicing Satanists. I can verify that at least two of these men, one age 46 and the other 55, are absolutely practicing Satanists. This can easily be determined by looking at their Facebook pages.

From here we may glean the numbers associated with this case like 13 and 32 and the strange killing of Abigail Williams, a 13 year old girl with the same name as a woman who may be one of the Satanists’ worst enemies. This woman is Abigail Williams, the woman who turned in many other women as witches in Salem resulting in the deaths of many of these women who were convicted of witchcraft. Since the Satanists could not get at the original Abigail Williams, perhaps they decided to kill her namesake to get at their enemy that way, 350 years later. I know it sounds strange, but people who are way off into Satanism are not exactly normal people.

However, I do think the occult angle, if it exists at all, is a secondary motive. These girls were killed for reasons centering around the sex life of one girl and the problems that resulted from that. The men were planning to kill them for that reason. Perhaps they thought that as long as they were going to commit a homicide anyway, they may as well make it a Satanic sacrifice to get that extra kick.

  • 13: The murder was committed on the 13th. Unlucky number, the worst unlucky number of them all. Occult significance.
  • 32: Add the numbers of the date of the killing together and you get 32. 32 is a very important number among Satanists. What it means is hard to ascertain, but one source I found said it represented Sacrifice, possibly a Day of Sacrifice.
  • Abigail Williams: 13 year old murder victim and namesake of a woman who may have been one of the Satanists’ worst enemies.
  • Crime scene photos: A Delphi resident obtained crime scene photos and posted them on his website for a short time. They were seen by a number of people who all independently corroborated what they saw. The website owner said that not only did Abbie have a stake in her stomach, implying an attempt to kill a fetus, but that the bodies were posed in an odd way that made him think this was an occult or Satanic killing.

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Delphi Haters: I Am Getting Sick and Tired of This

Almost every link coming in about my updates is some sort of a hate link. The hate links and hate comments to the site (which I have to delete every day) are so common that I actually had to put a damned disclaimer on all of my updates. Actually two disclaimers.

Well, now it looks like I need another one.

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to the sources but to the people who are talking to the sources.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

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Delphi Murders Major Update May 8, 2017

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the overwhelming majority of theories presented here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

I know it is awful presumptuous of me to say this, but I think I just solved this crime. Or at the very least, I have a theory that makes more sense to me than any other theory presented so far. Not going to write about it yet. I have theories regarding the roles of Ron Logan, friends of Logan, Ivan Brumbaugh, status of investigation by police, enemies of Logan, condition of the bodies, findings on autopsy, location of kill site, use of an abduction vehicle, two killers working together, differential dates of death for the girls, male friends of each of the girls and the relatives of these males, etc. I have also been able to verify pretty well a lot of my theories put forth for some time here as almost surely correct.

I will not go into the motive right now, but the killers are not serial killers, nor was the motive sexual sadism. It’s a local case with some rather pitifully prosaic motives. Sex and resulting reputations first, and then money a distant second. A certain man was almost certainly nothing but a patsy in Oswald’s terms, a fall guy set up to go down for the crime for some sleazy financial motives. Once again, a cynically prosaic motive here as well. Sex and money. Reputations. Greed. Moneyed people acting very sleazily in the name of glorious greed.

It would make a damn good novel. Maybe even a movie. But the crime is not weird, odd or bizarre. The motives are human nature in its coldest and most cynical form. Greed, sex and fear.

There is almost surely an occult angle, and that is the bizarre part. As in involvement of local Satanists. But Satanic sacrifice was not the motive for the killings. The rather boring sex and money stuff ties in there. The killers, being local Satanists, killed for normal rather boring human reasons, but apparently decided that once they were going to kill anyway, they may as well turn it into a Satanic sacrifice.

The 13th.

32, the number which represents Sacrifice in the occult.

Abigail Williams of Salem, an eternal enemy of Satanists, and her 13 year old namesake.

All just icing on the cake. If the girls were to be killed anyway for base human needs and desires, why not make a Satanic sacrifice out of it as mentioned above? It’s not the motive, just a clever and handy add-on.

As you can see above, it seems to be a local crime.

To say that the killers have been hiding in plain sight is a laughable understatement. It’s so much worse than that.

Of course, I could be completely wrong here, and I may well be. But I finally have a theory that puts it all together better than anything. And I have a man who is the best dead ringer for Bridge Guy I have ever seen so far.

It’s pretty late, but I would really like to talk to detectives, preferably at the Indiana State Police or the FBI. I’m not really interested in running tipline guantlets. Rather talk with detectives myself, and ISP detectives have already spoken to me. If anyone could put them in contact with me early May 9 6-7 AM or later, I would appreciate it. Otherwise I will have to call them, and that means running the tipline gauntlet.

Sorry to leave you all hanging here. I have to write this up in the morning as a report for LE, then maybe talk to LE personally, then write up a new post. I am going to have to keep some names out of it though, including the names of the main suspects. But it may well be the best update so far.

At least one of the killers has been pinpointed many times as a possible suspect, but he was only barely investigated, as it was assumed he could not have been committed this crime. A false notion. The other man has not been fingered at all. One killer’s son has been mentioned mostly for some very inappropriate Facebook remarks he made regarding one of the victims, but there is not much more that has been said about him other than that.

The very first tip I heard on the night that the girls were killed were that this was a father-son kill team. It was fascinating, but then I never heard it again except bizarrely when it came up a few more times. And one of the killers may well have worked with his son. The other man’s son is probably innocent.

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Anyone Want to Cover a Subscription for Santoculto?

Santoculto: You can”extract” whiteness or whitening even from a aboriginal people. Disturbfront typos ignore that they can select the best of, for example, MENA people, even reproducing desired northwest European phenotypes, but they are so rigid to their little world that they can’t see a horizon of possibilities forward. Instead try to reorganize, dialogue and foment bridges of understanding with other groups, they just adhere spontaneously to the divisionism agenda (((elite$))) are promoting. Exactly what (((they))) expect for them.

Dig those parentheses! Santo’s out there, but he’s still got his style, doesn’t he? Check out those immaculate Brooks Brothers parentheses he’s wearing! They always said gay men have style.

Santo is banned, but if anyone wants to cover a subscription for this sui generis fellow, let me know. In the meantime he is banned because he won’t kick down, and he’s holding out on me. Of course, he could contact me if he has a valid excuse for this, but he doesn’t because he’s got the money. It’s just he doesn’t want to spend it, and he wants to comment for free. Just another selfish commentator.

Anyway, if you any of you like this most unusual fellow’s contributions and feel like covering a sub for this piker, step right up.

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