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How Many Fixated Pedophiles in the US?

Concerned Citizen: A man in a white Ford cargo van with no windows, approached a child last Tuesday (Feb. 14), after they had been let off the bus. The man reportedly asked the Caston Elementary student if they wanted some Valentine’s Day candy. The man is described as a thin white male in his late forties to early fifties with curly brown hair and a scruffy beard. He was wearing a gray t-shirt. Caston is only 45 minutes away from Delphi.This bothers me, because things like this don’t happen often around these parts.

How old was the girl? Do they have junior high in that area? If it’s K-6, she can’t be older than 11. Geez. Anyway, offering candy won’t work for a girl past 13 or so. It probably would not even work on a 12 year old. I know 12 year old girls. They are extremely smart and very suspicious and wary of men. They leap in maturity from 11 to 12 is pretty amazing. 12 is when abstract thinking kicks in.

I am not sure people realize how many creepy men are out there. Let’s put it this way. There are a lot of more sexually weird men out there than you think.

Up to 1% of the adult male population may be preferential or fixated pedophiles. Other figures put it at .1% With the higher figure, there 1.15 million adult male pedophiles in the US. That’s a lot of men. These people who say they want to kill all the pedos need to realize that they would killing 1 million American men! Pretty crazy. Even with the lower figure, there’s 115,000 fixated preferential pedophile men in the US. So if you wanted to kill them all, you would have to kill 100,000 people.

I don’t think most of them abduct in this creepy way though. Usually they try to get access to girls via employment, friends, etc.

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Destroying One More Myth about Teenage Girl – Adult Man Relationships

Trash: Much has been said about Blacks raping grown women but the vast majority of child molestation, underage sex, statutory rape is all older White dudes with no charm or masculinity resorting to 15 or 16 year old girls in order to get laid.

I am getting very tired of hearing this myth.

This has certainly not been my experience. I have heard of cases like this of men having sex with teenage girls, and I had a couple of friends who did this until around age 30. Both of them were what you would call Alphas or studs. They both had had sex with countless women. The only men I have ever known who had sex with teenage girls were Alphas, studs, players, playboys, whatever you call them. I have have never in my entire life heard of an adult man resorting to teenage girls because he couldn’t get a woman his own age. I wonder if it even exists.

Of course I taught high school for many years, and I had to deal with some female students after me, but women and girls have been after me in droves most of my life (it’s calming down now). I used to hear the girls talking about the male teachers that they liked at the school. Without one single exception, the only ones they talked about were the hottest male teachers at the school. They were all good-looking or often very good-looking. A surprising number had almost male model good looks. Not only that, but to a one, they were all “Alphas.” Not necessarily statistical Alphas but definitely behavioral Alphas.

I do not know how their Game was, but observing these men, I figured their Game was great. Most of them even in the classroom displayed a behavior and image that was sexy as Hell. I never once heard girls talking about the average looking male teachers or even the homely male teachers.

As far as it being easier to get a teenage girl than it is to get an adult woman, I doubt if that is true. I did have sex with many teenage girls as a teenage boy and for a few years as an adult man form age 18-21 (I quit at 21 as I was starting to get scared of going to jail). Back then in the 1970’s, this sort of thing was epidemic. Many, many young men dated and had sex with teenage girls. It was almost normal.

But even back then, the only young men who were getting those girls were the best young men of them all. They were the players, the playboys. Not only did they get girls but they also got women, typically in droves. And even at that age, I never thought a girl was any easier than a woman. I never thought, “I am going to go for that girl. She’s an easy target.” It never even occurred to me that they might be easy targets. Anyway, I never pursued them anyway. It was always the other way around. And never in my entire life have I heard one single man refer to teenage girls as easy targets. You would think if it were true, I would have heard it at least once.

As I got older it never seemed like it would be easier to get a girl than to get a woman. Of course, it was dead illegal anyway, and I never did it, but it never seemed like the girls were any easier. They were probably even harder because even decades ago, they were leery of “creepy” and “perverted” men. It is orders of magnitude worse nowadays. I can barely even talk to underage teenage girls. It’s nearly illegal to even say Hi to them. Even if it’s not illegal, you might get punched in the face for even talking to them. That’s how insane things have gotten. If you can’t even say hi to them, how is it going to be a piece of cake to have sex with them?

For much of my life, I have known teenage girls. and I have been talking to them my whole life, even down to the present day. Of course they have talked to me many times about boys and men. It seemed that when it came to boys their age, they would go for anyone, Alphas, Betas or even Omegas. But when it came to men, they got much more selective. Over and over I heard them say, “We’re mostly into boys our age. We are not really into men. They’re too old. But we make exceptions for the really hot ones…we only want the hotties…we only want the best of the older men…etc.”

Women always want the best.

– Oscar Wilde

To the above quote, I would add, “and so do teenage girls.”

If you look around at the type of man these girls target, you will see that that is true. You think women preferentially select Alpha men and leave all the others out to dry, well, I got news for you, teenage girls are even worse! Look at the men who have been associated with these girls. Jeffrey Epstein (billionaire), Jimmy Page and Steve Tyler (rock stars), Roman Polanski (movie director). They really go for the cream of the crop, don’t they?

My experience in life has been that if you cannot get a woman your own age, you damn sure can’t get a teenage girl because getting a girl is far harder than getting a woman!

Now I could be wrong about this, but this has been my experience.

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Catfishing

There has been a lot of talk in the Delphi Murders that the two girls were possibly “catfished” off of social media.

A lot of people do not know what catfishing is. Briefly, it is when an older man pretends to be a teenage boy or young boy in order to get young underage girls from preteens through teens to do sexual things on camera, or send him nude images of themselves, or to meet him somewhere to engage in sexual activity.

Here is a recent example of catfishing.

This sack of skin seduced girls all the way down to age 9. What a jerk. What an idiot. This guy’s not cool at all.

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Destroying Many Myths about Teenage Girl-Adult Man Relationships

Women always want the best.

– Oscar Wilde

I would add teenage girls to that. Women and teenage girls always want the best.

First of all, I would like to point out that one of the main drivers of Teenage Girl Mass Hysteria has been feminist therapists exactly like this woman posting below.

A teenage girl is with an older man. People end the relationship, and everyone starts screaming about how she got abused and molested and damaged and ruined and how now she has to go a therapist now get over her being a victim of “child molestation.” The girl is typically utterly baffled and doesn’t feel 1% harmed by the relationship, which she probably started herself anyway.

They ship her off to the feminist therapist who drills it into her head endlessly about how she was a victim of “child molestation,” about how she is a “child,” presumably the same thing as what are known as little girls, and how if she doesn’t “recover from the damage,” she will be scarred and crippled for the rest of her life.

At first the girl thinks this is insane and stupid and probably wants to slap the therapist. But after a while, the therapist brainwashes her very well. Now the girl is going on and on about how she got molested, abused, raped, damaged and potentially ruined. What was formerly probably the peak experience of her young life is now regarded as a horrorshow of nightmarish abuse. She starts to develop a number of mental symptoms due to all the “abuse” she got. She was quite sane before. She was sane before, and now she’s crazy! Iatrogenic therapist-induced mental disorder. Way to go feminists! Instead of making crazy people sane, you’re doing the opposite. You’re making sane people nuts. Good job! You want a medal for that?

Rebecca Patrick-Howard:

“On another note, how can you possibly “groom” a teenage girl? You can only groom children, and teenage girls are not children.”

Children, teenage girls, and grown women can ALL be “groomed.” Grooming occurs when a power figure (teacher, parent, dominant partner in the relationship) deliberately establishes an emotional connection and relationship with another person in order to exhibit control and to lower their inhibitions, usually for the purpose of exploitation or abuse.

Little by little, a seemingly healthy relationship becomes darker as the person is isolated from their family and friends, suffers mental and physical abuse-and sometimes sexual, becomes mentally and physically dependent upon the other person, and begins suffering from self-esteem issues and other behavioral and mental health problems.

Battered women are “groomed” every day. Just ask the formerly confident, attractive, independent woman who, after years of mental and physical abuse, finds herself kowtowing to their partner’s every wish and demand, losing her autonomy, and finding herself mentally unable to leave the relationship.

Women and teenagers are groomed in a different way. They’re taught to sit quietly without asking questions, to immediately respond to any text or phone call, to put their own needs and desires aside to focus on what their partner wants, to dress and behave in public the way the other person wants, to give in to sexual desires that make make them uncomfortable, to respond to things in a manner in which they are uncomfortable. They’re groomed to do these things in the beginning by being rewarded, just like a dog is rewarded for treats. And later, when they’re not complacent, they’re punished.

Certain women are targeted. Perhaps they appear vulnerable or weak. Or maybe they’re just young. They learn to gain the other person’s trust. They find their needs being met. Then the relationship becomes sexualized. From there, control is maintained. At that point, they’re often so entangled within the relationship that it’s difficult to get out.

If you’d like, I can provide data, research, case studies, and message boards where you can read many experiences from women and teenagers who have been “groomed.” From women and teenagers who have escaped abusive relationships and even sex trafficking situations.

“She probably seduced him. That’s how this stuff usually goes.”

I would like to see citations for peer-reviewed studies that show that the “most men having sex with teenage girls are doing it because the girls seduced them” and that “Also in almost all cases it is consensual”. Because I can tell you, as a woman and former teenage girl, that’s not been MY experience. As a family therapist, that certainly goes against the studies I’ve seen and read – not to mention the experience I’ve had with dozens of my young clients.

Regardless, a 13-year-old is a child. No matter how “mature” they appear, no matter if they’ve started menses or not, no matter if they have the body and vocabulary of a 20-year-old-they’re are NOT a woman. Either legally or emotionally.

Do you have a daughter?

I don’t have one, but if your daughter is a teenage girl, I bet she is pretty angry about the way you are trying to “protect” her from a harmless thing she doesn’t even want to be protected from in the first place! From her point of view, you’re annoying and in the way, big time.

In every case I heard about personally, the girl seduced the man. In all the cases I have read about on the Net, the girl went after the man. Teenage girls like men, you know. They mostly like boys, but there’s definitely a fair number of them who like men too, usually the better looking ones.

And teenage girls did this too me more times than I can count when I was having sex with them from ages 18-21 and then later when all relationships were platonic. I never sought out underage girls even as a young man when I was dating them. I didn’t have to. I just sat back and waited for them to come to me. They approached me or mutual friends said the girl wanted to go out with me. “Hey Bob, do you want to go out with Clarissa (14 year old girl)? She wants to go out with you.”

And I certainly never sought them out as “easy lays,” mostly because they aren’t. Teenage girls are not easy targets. It is actually quite difficult to date them if you are an adult. If we lowered the age of consent right now, it would be murderously difficult for me to date a jailbait. I’m too old for them, and they’re too hard to get anyway.

I have never in my life heard of men seeking out teenage girls as “easy targets.” Why would anyone do that? Girls like men enough that if you are into teenage girls and you are goodlooking and have good Game, all you have to do is sit back and wait for them to come to you, or at least make the first signals.

I have never in my life heard of a man who “could not get a woman his own age,” so he went after teenage girls. It boggles my mind that women and feminists actually believe this ludicrous notion. It doesn’t work that way! If you can’t get a woman your own age, of course you cannot get a teenage girl because they are far harder to date than grown women your own age.

I am 59 years old and although somehow I do date attractive young women in their legal teens through 20’s (against all odds and to my own astonishment), I must say that it is horribly difficult. And when I have to deal with young women in my regular doings around town, most of them look at me like, “Get the Hell away from me, creep!” It was never like that before. It was the opposite. Obviously I am too old for them. This is 100% due to age and 0% due to anything else. Even if it were legal, dating teenage girls would be even harder for me than young women because honestly they harder to get if you are older. The younger the female, the harder it is to get her if you are an older man.

For one thing, teenage girls are much pickier than women. In every case I have known personally, the girls seduced the men, and the men were basically studs, players, playboys, womanizers, or whatever you want to call them. These were good-looking men with great Game who did great with women. Even in the cases I read about in the paper, the girls seem to be targeting the “Alphas.”

I have talked to teenage girls about this, and they told me, “We are not really into older men that much. But if we are at all, we only want the best, the cream of the crop.” Teenage girls are boy-crazy, and they will date all sorts of teenage boys. You don’t have to be an Alpha at that age. Many teenage girls have Beta or even Omega boyfriends. They are not so selective about boys their age. But once you start getting above the boys into the men, teenage girls get far pickier.

Bottom line is as far as I can tell, Beta and especially Omega men cannot even hope to get a teenage girl. Those girls only want the ~20% best men in your age group.

Look at cases in the paper. How many times have you heard of teenage girls pursuing movie directors (Roman Polanski repeatedly), rock stars (Bowie, Steve Tyler, Jimmy Page and surely many others), rich men (Trump, Jeffrey Epstein), teachers (strong authority figure with a good job and better than average smarts), writers (JD Salinger). See? They make a beeline for the best men.

Which has exactly been my experience. There are men out there who are attractive to most of the women. Call them the Alphas. Typically there are a number of women who would gladly date these men. These are the men that “all the women want.” Well, guess what sort of men teenage girls like? Exactly that type. Girls want the same cream of the crop men that the women want. Girls and women are not all that different when it comes to sex. They all want the same thing.

Why on Earth would you get involved with a man if it wasn’t consensual? If it’s not consensual then it’s rape. If it was rape, why didn’t you report it to the police? Color me baffled. You say in your practice you have met many teenage girls who were in nonconsensual relationships with men. Leaving the family aside (where coerced sex with minors is very common) how many girls get into nonconsensual relationships with men? Why would anyone do that? Are you saying that all these girls were raped? That every time they had sex, it was a rape? That’s what nonconsensual means. Rape. If all these girls got raped, why didn’t they report it to the police?

If most of these cases are really rapes and not consensual, why doesn’t LE file rape charges against the men? Instead it’s usually some statutory type charge that merely says his only crime was having sex with a female in some restricted, off-limits age range.

I’ve never heard a typical older man-teenage girl relationship that was not 100% consensual. If it’s not consensual, why would she be there in the first place. Teenage girls are pretty damn smart. You can say that kids don’t have the ability to consent because they are unclear on the concept in the first place. But to conflate the lack of agency of little girls with the wariness, worldliness and sophistication of teenage girls and argue that somehow teenage girls can’t figure out what consent means is nuts. Of course they know what it means. Only kids don’t know, and teenage girls aren’t kids. They’re neither children nor adults. We might as call them girl-women. I know them very well. They are far smarter, wiser and sensible about this stuff than most people think.

Every case I read about in the paper appears to be consensual, especially long-term relationships. How many times have you read that the girl refuses to testify against the man because she loves him, thinks he did nothing wrong or regards the relationship as consensual? I have read that so many times that I can’t count it. She often pleads with the court to release him, saying she hasn’t been harmed in the slightest.

The court disregards the fact that this was a crime involving two people where there somehow was no victim and heaves the guy into prison and throws away the key. In fact, so many teenage girls refuse to testify in these cases that it is almost expected behavior. The only reason the men ever go down is because someone else reported the case. The girl almost never reports the case. Why would she? She’s doing what she wants to do.

This non-testimony is such an epidemic that many states had to dig out their laws and make new laws and rules so that the testimony of the victim was not even required for a conviction. They had to throw out proof of harm because most of these teenage girl fake-victims will swear on a stack of Bibles that they were not harmed at all.

I would say that the one group that is probably most angry at all about this Teenage Girl Mass Hysteria is the girls themselves. Quite a few of them want to get with hot men, but every time they nab one of their dream men, people like you grab her beloved boyfriend and throw him in prison. Hell, the “victims” themselves probably hate this mass hysteria more than anyone else. Most of the “victims” probably hate the law that is supposedly “protecting them.” Isn’t that rather idiotic?

I still don’t believe a woman can be groomed. The author says grooming occurs whenever there is a power discrepancy. Does she realize how often there is a power discrepancy between adult men and adult female sexual partners? Does the author think it should be illegal to “groom” women? Would she propose an anti-grooming law for women victims of grooming?

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Pedophile Mass Hysteria: The Conflation of Statutory Rape with Child Molestation

Trash: That is called Statutory Rape. Most 16 year old girls are all for it and needless to say so is the 17 year old jock who manages to seduce his teacher. In the old days it was a fine and probation. Now it is child molestation.

Those guys aren’t even child molesters or pedophiles.

What’s the term for a man of any age who has sex with a 16-17 year old girl.

Normal.

That’s what you call them. There’s nothing weird, crazy, disturbed, creepy or anything about these guys, and the girls seduce us men about as often as we seduce them if not much more so. And they check out men all the time. I am 59 years old, and I still sometimes get hot teenage girls checking me out, often very obviously.

They seem to be about 16-17, but it is so hard to determine age with these girls because they’ve made it so it’s about illegal to even talk to them. They even stare at me all night long with zombie stares and bedroom eyes when I go to functions. The other day I was in the drugstore, and this Hispanic Mom and her daughter both would not stop looking at me. Mom was sort of 35-40ish, but the daughter might have been 13.

I mean there’s that 16? 15? year old girl with her Dad and siblings who won’t stop looking at me in the coffee shop. Maybe I could call her over and try some conversation, first telling her that I have no sexual interest in her in any way? You can’t even really do that. It seems like if you even try to talk to them, someone is going to hit you.

I think some girls that age want to be recognized. They want you to look at them and check them out and that tells them that they are attractive. It”s a validation thing. 

Of course adult women of all ages sometimes check me out too or act very friendly, but really if you are the sort of man who has women checking you out a lot, you are going to have girls checking you out too. Because they sort of want the same thing. Women love sexy men and so do girls.

I used to teach high school,and it was nuts.

One time I was at this Hispanic school in a senior class and the girls kept making all these fake excuses to go ask the teacher this or that. It was just an excuse to shove their breasts in my face while pretending to have some fake problem. I just went along with it.

Even in 9th grade, I would walk down the aisle and see the girls reaching out to grab my ass as I walked by. They wouldn’t grab it. They would just pretend to. I just let them carry on.

I even had girls openly proposition me in front of the whole class and ask me to meet them after school to have sex with them. The whole class was in on it too, cheering me on. “Go for it, teacher, go for it! She wants you! That girl wants to have sex with you, teacher! She wants you to meet her in the park after school and have sex with her!” I walked over to her desk and asked her if it was true, and she nodded her head very fast yes. I just shook my head and walked away laughing. She was 13 years old, and she was asking me to meet her after school for sex! WTH.

One time I was after school at this Black school. I had all these students around me. All of a sudden, I felt these fingernails scratching my back. I turned around, and there was this 15 year old Black girl with this terrified look on her face. She had been scratching my back! I just chuckled.

I had whole classes of 15 year old girls flashing their panties at me in unison. How do they do this anyway? I couldn’t stop looking at them, and then they started calling me “pervert.” It was some sort of a game with them.

In one senior class, it was dead obvious that this one girl really liked me. She would come up to see me and slink up to the desk all the way from the back moving very seductively and sexy. The whole class stopped what they were doing and looked at her and most of them said “Whoaaaaaaaaaa!” it was totally obvious what was going on. This Hispanic girl was totally hot. Actually she was the Homecoming Queen that year! She was 18, but if you mess with students, you get fired and lose your license, so I never did anything about it. I should have gotten her number for after she graduated but I chickened out.

I taught in Compton one time, and there was this Black senior girl who went into total zombie stare mode the whole time I was teaching. She was rather pretty if you like Black girls. Later I was sitting with the class in the library, and nothing was getting done as usual.

In senior year in the ghetto, you try to teach a little bit, and then most of the students say, “Man, we don’t want to do this!” They all go off and form all these little chat groups, and class turns into sort of party with lots of laughing, jokes, fun conversation. Not one damn thing gets done, but they don’t want to learn anyway. So I would just figure ok, you guys want to have a party instead of a classroom, no problem, maybe I will join you. And I would go sit with  them at their tables.

That Black girl was across the table and still was still in robot-zombie mode. Then she asked me how old I was, and I said, “32 years old.” She said, “You know, I have been looking for a boyfriend right around that age…” Once again, you lose your license if you go for it, so I didn’t do anything. I could have gotten her number for later though but I chickened out.

I can see how all these men are going down for screwing their high school students. It is quite a temptation, and even if you don’t go after them at all, if you look good enough to have women checking you out, they will come after you even if you leave them alone. I was always strong enough to say no, but a lot of teachers probably just cave. I figure in 80-90% of the cases, the girl goes after the teacher and tries to seduce him, and the guy is just weak and he caves. I don’t think I ever even touched a girl the whole time I taught, and I never said one forward thing to any of the girls. It’s a bust, and there’s no reason to do it.

Girls that age want men. They want boys, and they want men too. They like both of us. They like men. We turn them on, even physically, so I’ve been told. They want to have sex with us, either in their heads in fantasy only or maybe the real deal.

This matter is called a Societal Taboo. Our society has decided that they don’t want men messing around with girls under the age of consent. Society feels that this is wrong, and they do not wish to allow it. Society has a right to make up any rules it wants to about things of this nature. You need to avoid breaking Societal Taboos.

In this case, there are some pretty serious incarceration penalties associated with this behavior. Worse, the whole society has come down with Down’s Syndrome and decided that jailbaits are little girl-children, and men who fall to temptation are pedophiles and child molesters. And all of these normal men go on the autistic Sex Offender Registry, which now retardedly has 3 million Americans on it. I would imagine 2-3% of adult men in the US are on that idiot list = 115 million men in the US, most everyone on the Registry is a man, gives you 2-3% of adult men.

At my age, I mess with a 16 year old girl, and I could get 10 years in prison. And I would go on the Sex Offender Registry for life. All for some teenage snatch. Ain’t worth it.

I have not touched an underage girl since I was 21, and I have no plans to do so in the future. Men need to be strong. Men need to control themselves around these girls and not get weak and cave. If you cave to temptation, in today’s climate, you can royally screw up your life more or less permanently.

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for guys going down on this charge because nowadays, only a complete idiot would break that law. If you went down, I would just say you were an idiot and no sympathy for fools. I’m sorry, but you got warned enough times.

If you look good and have women after you, or if you come across as hot or “Alpha” in your behavior, you’re going to have not just women but also teenage girls checking you out pretty regularly. I imagine most of your real Alpha types have women and girls checking them out on a regular basis. Females are turned on by sexy men, and that includes women and girls.

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Someone Want to Tell Me What Is Wrong with This Statement?

Pedophiles who prefer prepubertal children will definitely molest all the way up to 13, 14 and maybe even 15, but they will never go to 16. This is because 13-14 year old girls still have a childlike quality.

Pedophiles are not attracted to specific ages so much as they are attracted to childness or girlness. People who prefer mature women prefer womanness no matter what the age.

Pedophiles are attracted to the essence, not the object. And really, we all are.

I posted this on some stupid Reddit page, and it got downvoted to Hell and back. It is in reference to the Delphi murders, suggesting that 13 and 14 would not necessarily be too old for a pedophile, though it is at the high end of pedophilic attraction.

For the life of me, I cannot see anything wrong with this statement.

Also I am starting to get really sick of Reddit. I do not think I have seen one human on there who has a brain. If you spot one, let me know, as I always like to see unicorns. Just the usual hysterical morons with their heads full of society’s stupid lies who never had an original thought in their lives and have to ask the permission of authorities for everything they believe.

It’s also swarming with PC/Identity Politics/Cultural Left/SJW types of the most malignant sort. This along with moronic conservative American females. The worst of two worlds. It is said that Aborigines have the lowest IQ on Earth. I disagree. I believe that conservative American females have an even lower IQ than that, and I bet an Aborigine has a lot more common sense than a Flyover State Church lady too.

I guess this statement is creepy or pedophilic or an indication that I am a pedophile or something. Ok, but how could that be. There is nothing wrong with that statement. Everything stated is 100% fact.

I am really getting sick and tired of moral panics and mass hysterias. If you have a brain, you really ought to be above this anencephalic sheep-like behavior.

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Delphi Murders Update March 16: One Sleuth’s Theorizing on the Delphi Murders

Note to commenters: Please stop referring to Unsub as a pedophile. He may well be one, but that’s something that can be determined from this crime as it was not a pedophilic offense. Instead, this was a hebephilic offense. And the perpetrator could certainly be seen as a hebephile, although he’s not necessarily one. If you want to refer to the nature of the offense, use the word hebephilic instead of pedophilic. If you wish to refer to Unsub’s paraphilia, please refer to him as a hebephile and not a pedophile.

Thank you so much for this. I am getting tired of words being misused. And now we are being scientific on the board.

Note 2 to commenters: I am really getting sick and tired of saying this, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. The only thing that is represented as fact as statements sourced from LE or the media.

And incidentally, the way I wrote up the case is precisely how detectives work a case. Detectives do not work cases using the scientific method. If they did, they would hardly solve one case. It’s more “We believe this for now…this is true for now…at the moment, this is what we think happened…we believe…” They are throwing out endless theories about what really happened and accepting them as (temporary) facts. They are then continuously revising and throwing out theories and creating new ones.

Being  a detective is about being wrong. Not just once, but being wrong over and over so many times your head will want to come off. If you can’t handle being wrong, then detective work is surely not for you. Finally detectives arrive at enough information to file a case against someone, but a lot of that is not factual either. They believe he did the crime. They believe that this, that, or the other happened with no way to really prove it – it’s just what they conjecture.

If he is convicted, then the theory that he did the crime is validated as fact, but I am not sure what other evidence is. And even court decisions are not scientific fact because they get overturned all the time. There are not a whole lot of 100% certain, clear scientific facts in LE work, detective work on the judicial system itself. A good portion of the decisions made turn out to be theories, temporary but unstable facts, beliefs, hunches and guesswork, all represented as fact in the court.

If you have issues with theories, opinions and what not, just quit reading and get the Hell off my site right now and never come back. I am really getting sick and tired of this BS.

If you have not heard of the Delphi murders, Google them. They are indeed as the commenter suggests the biggest homicides in the nation right now. And this case has grabbed me too just like this commenter. I actually don’t get interested in every homicide that comes around and I’ve been out of the crime and sleuthing loop for a while now. But there was something about this case – God knows what it is, that just grabbed me right there and affected me the way many similar cases have not.

I get comments like this and also emails and even phone calls along these lines quite often nowadays. This guy has had the best take so far. Not endorsing anything he says below except where he and I obviously agree, but I think you might find this enlightening reading.

Very interesting work you’ve done on this case Robert to try and get the truth of what really happened to the girls. It’s very hard to do, as rumors start to make things inconsistent, but I’ve always found that if enough credible people are talking – there will be no doubt a lot of truth to them.

I think firstly we have to assume this crime was “sexual” in nature, so the killer was both a pedophile and a killer. He likely also was a “sadist” and got a sexual thrill out of physically harming someone – that turns him on.

This killer is a sociopath or psychopath – really both one in the same. A sociopath doesn’t really feel any emotions – does not feel sadness or happiness, as he stays the same all the time. I’m sure in your practice you must deal with these type of people and may agree with me. I’ll give you my take on this killer(s). As you say there may be 2, or maybe only 1.

One thing I found very interesting and I read this today on a Sleuth forum, is that Abby only lived 1/8 of a mile from the bridge. That’s only about 6-7 city blocks – “that’s very close.” I’m sure some man could have seen her around and was watching her habits. Also Abby and her mom only moved to this area from Michigan about 1.5 years ago.

Also Abby liked to camp and I have a picture of her fishing, and it could be from the creek or river, as the bridge is in the background. If indeed she does live that close, I’m sure men like Ron Logan – “property owner” may have seen her around. I think her living so close by is “very significant”- my source – “Websleuths,” and this poster also posted the picture of Abby fishing. Apparently she and Libby frequented this area quite often??? I don’t know.

1) from looking at this “suspect’s” picture – walking on the bridge, I’d put his age at about 38 to 42 years old. You have him at 60, but his face actually looks a lot younger. You can tell by skin texture, and I’m good at sizing up age. I will add, the photo is a little blurry though – so hard to get a real good look at his face. I’ll refer to suspect as BG – “bridge guy.” I think BG’s height is around 5′ 9 to 5′ 10 inches tall, with a heavy-set build, his weight is around 190 to 210 lbs., and he looks very strong.

One thing I noted – he walks with a “duck walk” – if you notice his “right foot” plant in one of the pictures, his toes are pointed outside on about a 45 degree angle. Most people walk with their toes pointed straight ahead. I would say only about 4% of the population walks like that. With the picture being so blurry of his face, they should look at “body language” and study his gait and how he walks. I’m sure he has a “duck walk.”

Suspect’s (BG) Education- I’d say he’s likely has a Grade 11 or 12 education and maybe also a tradesman (electrician, plumber, etc.) I also think it’s quite likely he’s a truck driver or a delivery man, makes trips to the Delphi area quite often and knows people there cause of work.

I also think he’s not that smart!!! To leave something like a cell phone on the body of the person you just killed is pretty stupid. A smart person would know that young girls love their phones and love taking pictures. It’s also possible that Libby chucked it in the bush to not let him find it??? Be interesting to know where the phone was found???

There is a good chance this Killer is from out of state, as it would be far to risky in a small town to do something like this where everyone knows you.

Other things about BG – he looks like he’s disguising himself, walking with a mission, and has a deadly look in his eyes. This tells me he’s come prepared and knew the girls would be there. I think someone in the area told him this, or he obtained this thru social media and planned a meeting with the girls (I think social media – “good bet”).

General Personality – looks very meticulous – plans everything ahead of time, as this wasn’t done at the spur of the moment. His jeans look washed and pressed, and his dress looks “all in order.” If he’s a trades guy, I would bet all his tools are “clean” and organized. I don’t think he’s ever been married but may at one time and quite likely still does live with a parent, like a mother who washes his clothes etc. – “very possible.”

Pedophiles are not interested in adult women at all – they “like girls” – not women and get quite excited when around young kids. I know 2 pedos thru my work and got to know them and found out a little about their backgrounds. Both of these guys came from an “unstable or weird” family upbringing, and both didn’t like one of the parents at all. I did not know they were pedos when I met them.

This guy is definitely not a homeless guy – “forget it” – he works and is probably quite a good reliable worker. He could be liked or at least get along with his fellow workers. He looks and dresses like a truck driver, and most of these guys that sit behind a wheel all day “have quite a gut” – so I would say he’s about 30 lbs overweight – around 190 to 200 lbs and strong.

He’d have to be very strong if Robert is right about moving the girls across the creek – right??? Robert thinks the suspect is 60 yrs old??? How many 60 year old’s could lift and carry a 170 to 180 lb Libby thru water and over rough terrain? Most guys I know that age are looking to get hip or knee replacements, and some I know walk with a cane.

If there were 2 guys, I could see them moving Libby – just 1 – 60 years old??? I have my doubts. I do think there are some 50-60 year old men who keep in great shape who would have the kind of strength required to move the girls (very few, and ones that I know work out with weights and are very strong).

Moving Abbie – “not that hard” as she would weigh from 100 to 120 lbs judging by her photo. So, was there one killer or 2??? Judging from police reports and what Robert has said, there may have been 2 men (one was spotted – “all in black”) by trail hikers and probably worked in unison with BG (bridge suspect).

If there was only (1) killer, he definitely “was not very bright.” Can you imagine a guy wading thru a creek carrying a lifeless limp body over his shoulder?? You’d have to be crazy to put yourself at that kind of risk of someone seeing you. Also to do this crime in the middle of the day on a popular hiking trail makes me wonder how bright these guy(s) are – “not to bright” – IMO

Suspects – and things that bother me:

1) Jimmy Duvall – according to a person on Reddit that seems very genuine, he has not missed (1) day at work in 3 years at the Chrysler Auto plant where he works. Apparently he phoned in sick and was away from February 12 to Feb 15-th, and this poster says he’s not come back yet. He was taken right from work to give a DNA sample and then took off.

Robert says he’s at home??? But is he really??? How does anyone know for sure unless you work with law enforcement (you don’t). Just like Robert said awhile ago – one girl was found nude and the other clothed – so he is getting “false information” as well. This Duvall could be at home and could be innocent though.

Hopefully FBI have DNA – and they tested him, but it would take 2-3 weeks to get those results back. I’d say he’s still in the mix. This guy is a pedophile and a violent one as his past “convictions” prove.

2) Ron Logan – although he’s 75 yrs old and was the property owner where the girls were found – there is something very troubling about him in my mind. I don’t think he directly killed the girls. Could he have given information to someone who frequents his property. Remember Abby only lives 1/8 mile away (6 blocks) and may have played on Logan’s property.

I read the state order – he was arrested for violating probation and with “no bail option” – I find this very odd and perplexing??? You would think FBI, police, etc. would not all of a sudden call Ron Logan on this at the time of one of the nation’s biggest murders. This would scar him for life.

Why didn’t they arrest him a long time ago when he violated probation, or why not wait till the dust settles down in this case? He wasn’t going to go anywhere. I believe they will keep him detained, and I believe he may know something very important, so that’s why they’re keeping him in jail with “no bail” rights.

If he has been released (which I doubt), then I guess police are satisfied he’s totally innocent – “and he could be.”

Other Possible – Justin Wildey – 40 yrs. old – he’s wanted right now for child molestation – saw his poster. He’s from Indiana – weighs 220 lbs and is 6’3, so he’s mighty big and strong and would be capable of carrying the girls, and he’s also a pedophile. He works as a mover and may have been with the company that moved Abby’s family from Michigan to Delphi, Indiana. Some sleuther posters say this is very possible.

In Summary – I’m sure the FBI and police have a lot more suspects than what I have listed, and I believe their expertise is second to none, and they are going to give themselves the greatest opportunity to catch this monster or 2 killers that are on the loose.

Forensics has come a long long way in the last 30 years or so, and even a little fabric, or hair, shoe print, anything, can be identified, and I’m sure they are going all-out and exhausting every possible lead they get. It’s my hope that these cruel, cowardly monsters that pick on little girls are caught before they take another life.

I thank Robert for his insight into this case and also for his great site.

For some reason this case “really grabbed me,” and I want the guy(s)caught soon as possible, and who knows – they may be tracking him down right now. Not many cases where they have voice and a picture.

It’s only a matter of time on this case!!!

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What’s with All the Rape and Sex Crimes?

You have to go through a regional paper that segregates articles by theme to actually realize the extent of rape-type sexual offenses, including rape and murder.

Child molestation is a whole other ball of wax, and it’s complicated by the drooling, psychotic autism of calling adults who have sex with teenagers pedophiles and child molesters, but I am absolutely stunned at the number of men who are having sex with actual children, like girls 12-under. And a surprising number of them involve violence too. Are all these guys pedophiles?

Pedophiles are only one of the four types of child molesters.

80-93% of child molesters are non-pedophiles. They’re just criminals. They’re not into girls any more than any other guy. They do this because these are aggressive, manipulative, amoral, probably somewhat sociopathic men who take advantage of young girls due to the fact that they are an easy target. Most of this is familial. On Indian reservations in Canada where it is estimated that 100% of girls are molested, most of the molesting is familial. It’s Daddy or Uncle or Grandpa or whoever.

The others are familial, opportunistic, trysexual and psychopathic.

I won’t deal with the first three right now.

Psychopathic child molesters differ from pedophilic ones in that they have no preference for prepubescent girls. Their sexual orientation age-wise is as normal as any other man’s: They are maximallly attracted to females age 16-up, and progressively less attracted as age goes down. Psychopathic child molesters molest girls because they have no morals, and they have a “screw anything that moves” attitude. A girl, a woman, what differenced does it make? All potential targets. Sure, he doesn’t prefer girls, but they will do in a pinch.

The problem with automatically treating all child molesters as psychologically disordered and having a paraphilia is that most of them are probably neither. They’re not nuts in any way. They’re just criminals. If they don’t prefer girls for sex more than any other man, there’s no sexual disorder to treat.

“Screw anything that moves” is not a sexual disorder. “Take advantage of naive daughters and nephews” is not a sexual disorder. “No morals” is not a sexual disorder. “Manipulative scumbag” is not as sexual disorder. My understanding is that most of these guys get labeled pedophiles and thrown in to pedophile treatment programs. It’s really dubious how many of them get helped by these programs especially when there’s nothing much to fix. Worse many them get labeled “mentally disordered sex offenders.” That means they have a mental disorder, in this case a sexual disorder. See any sexual disorders above? Neither do I.

Obviously true fixated pedophiles need to be in a program. Even out of incarceration, they should probably be in regular therapy to keep them from offending or re-offending.

But when a man’s problem is not that he’s a pedophile but that he’s a psychopathic monster, how are these pedophile treatment programs supposed to help him? How are they supposed to help Weird Uncle who prefers women but goes after girls in a sleazy pinch? They can’t.

I would wager that most of these men, if they have any disorder at all, have an impulse control disorder. That’s not in the DSM yet. But just you wait. It would be a bad idea to put Impulse Control Disorder into the DSM because we just labeled half the population crazy. Probably 50% of the population can’t control their impulses well.

Are there treatment programs that teach men how to control their impulses? No idea. Are there programs that aim to impart morals into a morally barren human? Probably, but how good is that going to work. How do you create something that was never there?

I am starting to wonder what the Hell is the matter with us men. I’ve never done anything like this, not even date rape. I don’t get the appeal. If she’s not willing, it’s no fun, right? If she doesn’t want to do it, shrug your shoulders and say, “Fine, I will sleep on the couch then.” Trust me, she will get up in the middle of the night and drag you back to her room. An abundance mindset is always helpful. I guess I have raped if you count the feminist daffynition of rape, but the feminists are so insane on this subject that they would put 50 million men in prison. The feminist definition of rape isn’t even rape. It’s not nothing. It’s just junk, like most anything a feminut says.

But this stuff below is the real deal. As much as I dislike feminists, I am starting to se why so many of them starting hating us men. We’re pretty hateable you know. Hell, I don’t even like men, and I’m a guy!

I’ve been dating some women around age 50. Nearly every single one of them had either been raped. And they had all had a man try to kill them. I figure by age 50, most women in the US have either been raped by a man or had a man try to kill them. That’s pretty sorry.

Ladies I would like to apologize on behalf of all men for the despicable behavior of my gender. It’s an outrage what we do to you. The rapes, the assaults, the beatings, the kidnappings, the imprisonment, the attempted murders and the murders. I can’t believe what you put up with from us. Sometimes I wonder why any of you like any of us anymore.

If you a law-abiding citizen who rarely if ever commits a crime that victimizes the innocent, or at least one who stays out of jail for more than 5-10 hours in their life, the background level of crime in society is absolutely stunning. Sure you’re likely to avoid being a victim of a serious crime, at least this year, but the sheer numbers of crimes occurring in normal everyday America is mind-blowing. And these are just sexual crimes, some of the worst of all.

If you start doing research on less serious but still victimizing crimes, the number of them occurring on any given day even in your area is out of this world. It’s hard to understand how many heedless fools there are out there who are not inhibited by the threat of imprisonment. And there’s a Hell of a lot of sick fucks out there. Incredible how many sickos are running around. It boggles the mind.

Keep in mind this is just this year and the year’s barely even getting started. And in just this one country with 4% of the world’s population. So multiply these cases by 25.

And fully 70% of the cases below that occurred in this year alone happened in only two states, North Carolina and Florida.

And then you think about this factoid that only 4% of rape cases ever result in incarceration and it’s even more shocking. So there’s 25X more of this stuff happening that perpetrators are getting away with.

Autopsy: New Mexico girl was raped and strangled on 10th birthday, had STD when she died

Jesus.

Couple charged in ‘rape-murder fantasy’ killing of girl, 14, prosecutors say

Wow, no words. Good Lord! Her own Mom was involved in the imprisonment, beating, torturing, drugging and raping of this girl. I’ve heard of Moms being driven batty by unruly teens, but isn’t this a bit extreme?

 

Florida man held girlfriend for 2 weeks, raped her and used pliers to rip her nails off

Another girlfriend rape, but this guy threw a lot of violence into the mix. This guy needs to get together with Pliers Bittaker.

Sex offender wearing electronic monitor accused of raping woman in NC

Darwin award.

Man accidentally confesses to rape during police job interview

Date rape. OK, you’re a jerk and an idiot. Enjoy your Darwin Award in jail. Perhaps you can tape it to the wall.

Woman stabs man who allegedly tried to rape her, escapes attack

Good for her, but what’s his problem? She stabbed the guy who was trying to rape her. Damn.

Brother of Panthers tight end Greg Olsen given $103,000 bond on rape charges

Hmmm, wait. He raped his own longterm girlfriend? How is that even possible?

Man accused of sexual assault in Burlington arrested

What the Hell is your problem?

Man allegedly pulled gun, attempted to sexually assault woman after she turned down grilled cheese

This one is actually funny. He’s a rapist and a stand-up comedian!

Burlington middle school teacher accused of statutory rape

This last one is the only one I feel sorry for. But she’s 45! And the boy was 15! Jesus. Anyway, it was probably the best thing that ever happened to that kid so far in his life and it looks like his teacher is teaching him a bit more than readin, writin and arithmetic, no?

All right. So what do we do with this silly woman who has an Impulse Control Disorder in the sense that’s not able to inhibit her desires or separate thoughts from actions. Not to mention heedless and foolhardy. This retarded society is probably going to give this cougar 5 years for her extracurricular tutoring of this fortunate young man. Then, our special needs society is going to make this dingbat woman register as a sex offender for the rest of her life when all her victim proabably said was, “Thanks Mom, I mean teacher.”

So what would I do? What do you do when there’s nothing to be done but throw up your hands.

Fire her. Pull her credential. Make it so she can never teach again. That ought to be good enough. If she can’t find a job, I suppose she can always become a cougar porn star. I recommend she specialize in the Mommy-son fantasy market.

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Do Prepubertal Children Have a Sex Drive?

Spoiler: Answer is no. Explained below.

As part of my clinical work, I deal with folks who are dealing with pedophilic, homicidal and other disturbing thoughts. I listen to and read about thoughts like this every single day. After a while, it doesn’t bother you anymore. A differential diagnosis is always mandated in such a case, and indeed, I did discover two actual pedophiles so far. And they both presented in precisely the same way, and that presentation was completely different from the nonpedophiles.

In the course of this work, I had to learn a lot about pedophiles. I went to anti-pedophile sites where they have dossiers on all the Net pedophiles they have outed. I even went to pedophile and hebephile bulletin boards, though  they are not as bad as you think. It’s all legal or at least no-worries gray area, and there’s as many pedophile-haters in those rooms as pedophiles. It’s not exactly a crime scene. But you can learn a tremendous amount about these folks by reading what they write on those boards.

One thing I noticed over and over was that pedophiles both heterosexual and homosexual insist that little children have strong sex drives and seek out sex with kids and other adults. That hit me as quite off, as you think  of little kids as being pretty sexless. As a boy, I think I thought about sex maybe five minutes out of a year, and girls were sort of yucky. They were even contagious. They had cooties, and you had to be very careful not to get infected. This illness was a serious problem at school and even for a while at home for quite some time.

I have no idea what it’s like to be a little girl, so I asked some girlfriends. I was absolutely stunned that little girls are capable of orgasm. If you go on the Net, you can see a lot of women’s boards where they are discussing this very thing, which they often accidentally found out by doing  things like riding the top of the couch like a horse. One woman said at age seven, she was riding the couch horse, and she really got into it at one point. That couch mare had some speed. Then an earthquake occurred and she almost fell off the couch. “Mommy! What was that?!” Mom came into the room,  the girl explained what happened and I guess Mom said, “Honey, come with me. We have to have a little talk here.”

Of course all of these women are pedophiles for discussing  their experiences, right? Please report them all to the police.

I knew some women who were molested at an early age. In some cases it went on for years. These girls became highly sexualized and I was told that some masturbated to orgasm from age 5-on. Just because it felt good. But they also all told me that they had no interest in sex with other humans. They all said that started up at age 13.

I don’t know much about little boys, but they cannot ejaculate until age 13 or so, so orgasm is probably out of the question.

The general impression I got was that little children simply do not have any real sex drive at all. Which is all to the better or course. We have enough on our hands with the teenagers!

And I can confirm that.

Here.

Prepubertal children simply do not experience sexual arousal and drives comparable to adolescents or adults.

Myers, By John E. B. The APSAC Handbook on Child Maltreatment. American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children

Just as I suspected. By the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children, and you would think they would know, right?

Yes, children do engage in sex play, and I hear about this stuff clinically all the time. Adults really need to butt out of this stuff. The kids should probably be told to knock it off, but involving law enforcement or even the therapeutic community seems like a terrible idea. They’re not child molesters for God’s sake! They’re children themselves! How on Earth could a child be a child molester? Nevertheless, this sex play is completely different from the sexual conduct engaged in by adolescents and adults. They do it for reasons, but not for the same reasons we do.

Kids are trying to figure out what they are, and childhood sex play is part of that.

Once again to our source:

Although we refer to these behaviors as sexual, it is important to note that the intentions and motivations for these behaviors may be unrelated to sexual gratification or drives as we adults understand them.

Myers, By John E. B. The APSAC Handbook on Child Maltreatment. American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children

Well, of course. Little kids have no sex drive, so obviously they are not doing this stuff for the same reasons we adults are. Why are they doing this? Curiosity, discovering who they are, simple play, fooling around, no particular reason, etc.

Now despite the lack of a sex drive, some children do have sexual behavioral problems, and they do need some intervention. There’s normal childhood sex play, and there’s activity far beyond the norm. These are the outliers, and you need to call in professional help form the therapeutic community.

All this research led me to the conclusion that little kids have no sex drive at all, despite the fact that the pedophiles insist that they do. Well, guess what? The pedophiles are lying. Surprise, surprise. The pedophiles probably have their reasons for wanting to believe this. If we posit that children have full-blown sex drives like adults, then this suggests that children have sexual wants and needs, and the pedophiles are simply coming to the rescue and supplying these kids with what they need.

The pedophiles’ sex with the children then is fully justified, and if this were true, logically, children should probably be encouraged to have sex with the pedophiles to take care of their sexual desires and drives. This belief lets the pedophiles off the hook and makes their behavior seem not bad, but good. They’re not hurting kids, they’re helping kids. I am sure this is comforting for the pedophiles to use this defense mechanism, but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

This discovery happened to lead me on to my next quest. Well, if kids have no sex drive as I assumed, when exactly does the sex drive come on? I decided to research females because I only like females. Girls and women. They’re all great. God bless em all and thank you Lord for creating these creatures.

I know nothing about boys. Perhaps a gay man can go do that research for us.

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Stages of Puberty and Onset of the Sex Drive in American Females 2010-2017

Fancy title,  eh? I’m sure most journals would not touch it with a 10 foot pole and an 11 foot extension, but here at Beyond Highbrow, frankly Margaret, we don’t give a damn.

I went on the Net and cruised around to various forums where young teenage girls were discussing this very subject. The girls were asking each other at what age various sexually related events had taken place. It was often in the form of a quiz. I am sure all these girls are pedophiles for talking about this topic. Please call the police.

I went through enough posts to where I had a sample size of ~100, which ought to be good enough.

Results for Age of Puberty in Girls in the US, 2013-2016

Onset of pubic hair: Age 12.

Well, who needs that anymore anyway! Nevertheless, nature continues to at least provide us with something to be shaven off, though we men who came of age in the bushwhacking 1970’s and 1980’s have never understood this obsession of women to look like little girls. It feels almost creepy and pedo to us. We older men are used to hiking in the deep forests, not the barren deserts.

This answer was quite unanimous. Almost all girls reported onset of pubic hair at age 12. I did not think that the female sex drive came on with pubic hair onset. Instead, sex drive onset seemed to come on one year later at age ~13. Pubic hair if not shaved off takes about two years to reach its maximum growth, so adult-like pubic hair should be apparently in girls by age 14. At first it is rather sparse, but in no time at all there is a mountain or mons of thick chaparral down there.

Onset of breasts: Apparently age 10.

This was never asked, but it is generally about two years before the onset of pubic hair, so the answer must be age 10. I do not think that girls with breast onset necessarily have much of a sex drive. We have a few around the complex here. The 10 and 11 year olds are just little girls with no drive at all, and the 12 year olds, now quite shy and suspicious of men, don’t seem to have much of one either.

Age at first masturbation: Age 13, a few at age 12 and a couple at age 14.

Girls nowadays are quite different than from when I was growing up when female masturbation was a shameful and often-denied activity. I was absolutely stunned to find out that most of the girls on the boards not only started masturbating at age 13, but they also quickly figured out how to have an orgasm. If you know women, you know once they figure out how to get that orgasm, most are addicted for life. Most women I date masturbate regularly, often every single day. And this goes form age 18 all the way up to age 50 – they keep rubbing and rocking the whole way. Most modern American women figure that if there’s no man around, you let your fingers do the walking. I guess that reward is just too tempting to pass up.

Even more stunning was my discovery that not only were almost all 13 year old girls masturbating but they had taken it up with a shocking gusto. Most of the 13 years on those boards were masturbating to orgasm every day. A few several times a week. A few “any chance I get” or “whenever I can.”

So your average 13 year old girl in the US in this era is masturbating to orgasm every day or nearly every day.

I don’t know about you, but I find that finding shocking.

Onset of the sex drive:

Age 13. This was not discussed, but if girls go from masturbating to orgasm zero times a year to 365 times a year, there’s some explaining to do. The onset of frenetic masturbation nowadays seems logically to be the onset of the sex drive in American females.

Onset of menstruation or menarche: Apparently age 13.

This was not discussed for some reason but face it it’s not the most pleasant topic. I have known quite a few women who dread this time of the month and would be glad to get rid of the whole process. Onset of menarche is usually about 1-2 years after the onset of pubic hair. With pubic hair onset at age 12 nowadays and the explosive sex drive coming merely one year later, it is logical to assume that the onset of the female sex drive and menarche are pretty much the same thing.

That makes sense. Menarche means the female is ready to have babies. 13 is quite a bit too young for that, but Nature has other ideas. Babies are created not by storks but by sexual intercourse or penis in vagina (PIV) sex. If the body is ready to make babies, you would think that the body would turn on the baby making process and the act that leads to it at pretty much the same time, no?

It is interesting but rather disturbing that there is almost no research or even talk about this sort of thing on the Net. I guess Onset of the Female Sex Drive in Modern American Females just sounds way too pedo and creepy for most folks. But it’s a legitimate question, as all medical questions are. We all live in our bodies (some of us regretfully) so it’s perfectly legitimate to find out how our bodies work. We reside here temporarily in something called a lifespan, so it’s rational to learn about the body changes that occur in that time frame, including the development ones before we mature.

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