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New Radio Show Contains a Discussion of Me

Here.

I will have more to say about this later.

Robert Stark talks to Ryan Englund about the SJW Riots

Robert Stark, co-host Pilleater, and Rabbit talk to Ryan Englund. He blogs at Samizdat Chronicles.

Topics:

The The UC Berkeley antifa/SJW Riots against Trump and Milo.
The parallels between Milo’s colorblind Civic Nationalism compared to the Alt Left and Rabbit’s Identitarian Alt Left.
How Fox News and other mainstream conservatives outlets have described the rioters as Alt Left, and how that contributes to SJW entryists into the Alt Left.
Alt Left founder Robert Lindsay disowns the Left Wing of the Alt Right over Trump and calls for an Alliance with the PC/SJW Left against Trump and the Republican Party.
Ryan’s point that there cannot be an Alt Left/SJW Alliance.
Ryan’s critic of SJW’s antifa from a classical Marxist perspective.
Ryan’s article Are You Tired of Winning Yet? on Trump’s performance, both the good and bad aspects.
Trump’s accomplishment stopping the Trans Pacific Partnership and his immigration policies.
Trump’s plutocratic cabinet and talk about repealing financial regulations.
Trump’s foreign policy, his saber rattling against Iran, and how the combination of Trump’s friendliness to both Israel and Russia has divided the neocons.
Saudi Arabia and the Petrodollar.
The Dakota Access Pipeline, oil nationalization, and alternative energy.
Romantic racism, and how it has affected the environmental and antiwar movements.
Social Credit, and the Alberta Social Credit Party.

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Some Descriptions of the Alt Left on the Net

The Alt Left is just the Alt Right, except they like Mao way more than they like Hitler.

Sort of correct.

The Alt Left are basically Alt Right Communists.

Sort of right.

The Alt Left is the left wing of the Alt Right.

Sort of, yes.

Ultra-brocialists.

Exactly.

I would imagine an “Alt-Left” would go beyond and be above that, putting class struggle over identity politics without using “class above all else” to shut down any debate over racism/sexism/etc. A Left that didn’t think accusing people of racism is enough to dissuade them from voting Trump/UKIP/Le Pen/et al but actively sought ways to persuade those with racist tendencies to not be racist.

A Left that was able to inform the working class that the Alt-Right and Far-Right are bad news for the working class as a class – as well as the well-documented ways they are bad news for various oppressed demographics. Finally, above all else, a Left that rejected the loopy elements of Identity Politics (as commonly found in academia particularly in the US but an issue in the UK as well, especially with the NUS) and injected some much needed rationality into the debate.

Perfect.

Aren’t the Alt Left just social democrats who are critical of immigration? Something like that.

Immaculate.

Seems like there are already people self-describing as the ‘Alt-Left’ in the sense of being the ‘leftwing of the Alt-Right’ — from what I’ve seen, social democratic on economic matters, very hostile when it comes to Identity Politics, feminism, etc., occasionally antisemitic.

Probably one of the best definitions so far.

There’s definitely a return to imagined Christian values/hetero nuclear family at core …you could have an Alt-Left that did that too I guess if you really wanted.

There are Alt Left people pushing exactly this. And anyone into traditional morals or traditional values with Left economics would absolutely be welcome here.

I think the Alt Left is the left wing of the Alt Right. That is how it seems to me anyway. Where the Alt Right embraces fascism, they embrace concepts like Maoism.

That’s about it.

Having said that, I think there’s space for some form of Leftism that is skeptical of both market and state but doesn’t sign up to any of the current far Left ideologies. And has good memes.

Sort of, yes.

Again, it’s just a liberal guy who is a White Nationalist. It’s basically the leftwing of the Alt-Right as the blog itself says or some kind of lite version of Nazbol with emphasis on the Naz and not a whole lot of Bolshevism.

Discussing Rabbit’s page. Nazbol Lite is a pretty good way to describe Rabbit, too.

Class Left is better. Or Classical Libertarians. Or Class Realists.

Classical Libertarians no; Class Left and Class Realists are both perfect. We are “class reductionists.”

Workerists.

Precisely.

We’re back to “we want a UKIP of the left” again.

A UKIP of the Left would not be a bad thing. It would seem to be an Alt Left project.

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Rioting at Trump Rallies, 2015

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Put together by Trump supporters. Most footage from Fox News and local channels. It is said to be a compendium of video of the violence that Trumpsters have been “suffering” for about a year now.

That’s fake news right there.

Most of the video appears to be from a large Trump rally in San Jose that took place last year, I believe in the Spring. There was some pretty serious rioting at the rally from anti-Trumpsters.

Black bloc antifa are present but only in very low numbers.

Instead the rioters are regular Californians, mostly young people. Most of the rioters and protesters are Hispanics, and I would gather that almost all of them are Mexican-Americans. Chicanos in other words. I can assure you that there were few to no illegal aliens at that rally. I know how illegals look and act, and further, the language of the protesters is all or almost all perfect unaccented English. The only accent you can here is “Barrio English,” which is just a dialect of English adopted by Chicanos, almost all of whom have English as a first language. The dialect is an affectation and is not the result of interference from Spanish.

There are broadly two types of Chicanos, where Chicanos refers to mostly 2nd and 3rd generation Mexican Americans especially in California. These people have traditionally been ~70% White and ~30% Indian. The more Indian types have come in large numbers only in recent years.

These Chicanos are all native English speakers, and by the third generation, most no longer have fluent Spanish skills. So the language is going out in the 3rd generation, which is typical for any assimilating US immigrant group. These Chicanos are assimilated Americans in that they for the most part have given up Mexican culture for American culture. They retain somewhat more conservative values as far as sexual activity (favoring monogamy, especially for the females), sex roles (traditional roles are preferred), family ties (the family structure is usually very strong), and respect for elders (still strong, especially for parents).

The problem is not that Chicanos are not assimilating. It is that they are assimilating to something lousy. A lot of them assimilate to Barrio Culture. This is a subculture that is heavily gang-involved and is present in a lot of the poorer Chicano neighborhoods. However, many other Chicanos, even those who live right next to the barrios, are assimilating more or less to regular American culture, and they act little different from you, me or any other White person, which the exception of some the conservatism you see above.

This crowd is clearly a mix of Barrio types and more assimilated Chicanos. The Barrio types are mixed between overtly gang-involved types and others who are simply barrio dwellers who are not gang-involved.

Believe it or not, not everyone in a barrio is a gang member. Gangsters are only a small group, mostly young men, and most of them stay in the game for only a few years, often on the fringes, before they marry at age 18-23+, move in with a woman with kids or have kids or their own, and retire, usually completely, from gang life. Most so-called gang members are just wannabes who form their own fake sets by claiming a legitimate gang and try to say that they control some neighborhood. They are considered poseurs by the true gang members who might beat them up if the poseurs tried to claim the gang because all true sets have to be approved by the official gang in the area.

Even among the wannabes, most are not even members of the fake set. Instead they are hangers-on or so-called gang associates, who much outnumber gang members. Most of these types see almost no inter-gang warfare, do not spray much graffiti and do not victimize neighbors. They’re just trying to look hard by claiming Nortenos or whatever.

There are also quite a few of the more assimilated Chicanos mixed in with the Barrio types. Barrio Chicanos are pretty hard and tough, and you do not want to mess with them. Many have street gang experience. Beatings, knifings and shootings are quite common and Barrio Chicanos kill an awful lot of people, mostly rival gang members. Police often call these crimes as “NHI” or “No Humans Involved.” They are also referred to as “Public Service Killings.” It’s just one scumbag killing some other scumbag and doing society a favor in the process.

Most of the violence here seems to be coming from the Barrio types. These people have few inhibitions and low self-controls. They get riled up very easily. If these Barrio Chicanos ever start rioting over Trump, it is not going to be pretty. These guys don’t mess around.

There are also some militant young people there, often young White women. But these are in the minority. These are more or less university-aged SJW’s.

I was very surprised to see ordinary White SJW’s, Barrio Chicanos and Assimilated Chicanos burning US flags. I’m not sure if I have ever seen them do that before. That’s not a good sign, as a lot of these folks are pretty assimilated. When a lot of your assimilated, relatively nonpolitical citizens start burning your flag, that’s a bad sign for your country.

Some of the video also shows what looks like anti-Trumpsters blocking a highway in Arizona to try to stop a Trump rally there. This happened over the summer.

Bottom line is this is not the Left or liberals or even Democratic Party people. These rioters young people are on the fringes of active politics, if they even vote at all, and many of them don’t even bother to do that. This is more of an out and out ethnic riot between two ethnic groups, Chicanos and their White supporters versus mostly White Trumpsters. Sort of a Chicanos vs. Whites street battle if you wish. On the other hand, more or less openly ethnic riots pitching mostly one ethnic group against another is not a good sign at all. That is called ethnic strife, and it can lead to some pretty bad things, like Yugoslavia.

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Discussion: Are the Riots Helping or Hurting Our Cause?

Discuss.

Ryan England: The antics of antifa and the black-bloc are a concern of mine. My issue with them isn’t so much their ideology – the endgame for the kind of society and world I’d like to see looks very much like something out of anarchist and communist theory. This has been the case for me for decades now. But going out and smashing windows and lighting trashcans on fire isn’t going to result in the democratization of capital or even garner popular support for anti-capitalist ideals.

Leftwing politics have been struggling with a serious image problem for years now. We need to think in terms of how the moderates see us. We have to stop LARPing and beware the tendency to descend into an ideological purity spiral. This has been a concern of mine going back to the 1990’s, and with the rise of the Social Justice Warrior as the Internet’s favorite punching bag, it’s only gotten worse. Shit, the annoyance they’ve caused for so many people recently is a contributing factor to Trump getting in the White House.

The Left fails because it’s an insular little clique with its own lingo and its own little subcultures, and the bulk of the population – the people who most need to know what we have to say – are put off by it. On top of that, people get expelled from Leftist circles for the most frivolous and stupid of deviations from the ideological line – the big Alt-Left groups on Facebook are constantly getting posts from newbies talking about the stupid shit they get banned from anarchist and communist groups for.

We can’t riot. We can’t smash windows. We can’t shut down campus speakers we don’t like. That’s what Milo Yiannopoulos and his ilk want us to do. Did you all know that sales of his books SKYROCKETED since the Berkeley riots? He’s laughing all the way to the bank because of what happened, and many thousands – hundreds of thousands – more people who otherwise wouldn’t have otherwise have become interested in and even sympathetic with Milo’s thought. Goading dumb Leftists into doing dumb stuff is Milo’s whole business model. Why would we want to feed it?

We can’t sucker punch Nazis – not unless it’s clear that they’re out to cause trouble, and they were at one time. I remember Nazi skinhead gangs. They were bad news. You need antifa to deal with that. But socking a goofy civvy in the face, even one who has Nazi views, might make us feel good but also makes us look bad. Maybe not bad in our own books, but bad to the Average Joe whose long-term decision on whether to go Right or Left may ultimately hinge on which faction abstains from needless violence. Notice that the rightwingers stand off or even retreat when the shit hits the fan now and let the Left make asses of themselves? They’ve learned their lessons and are playing a long game here.

If Leftists keep rioting, we’ll burn not just our colleges and neighborhoods to the ground. We’ll burn our futures to the ground as well. We have to stop it. We have to stop LARPing, we have to present ourselves in a calm and rational manner so that our critiques of Trump and the deeper historical materialist ideas that our critiques are rooted in get taken seriously.

I am unsure.  The peaceful protests and even the property-destroying riots and Trumpster-assaulting riots are not increasing Trump’s popularity or decreasing the popularity of our side.

Yes, there are posts on Trump groups by people saying, “I am on your side now!” but most of them we don’t want on our side anyway. I am inclined to say, “Go vote for the Right!” for these people. A lot of these people call themselves moderates, but in the US, that means, “Trump and the Republicans are right 50% of the time.” That’s not moderate.

Since January 26, support for our side has gone up 3 points and support for Trump has fallen by 7 points. So even the violent riots are not hurting us yet. As long as they are not hurting us, I’m not inclined to support the argument that we need to stop this stuff because we are turning people off. In fact, we may even be converting some people. Antifas went to the Women’s March and tries to explain why they were rioting in DC on Jan. 20 (mostly property damage) and they said some of the liberal women were saying, “Well, maybe so. Maybe it needs to come to that.”

A lot of others on the Left, not just Leftists but often regular liberals, are acting nuts now too.

Sarah Silverman called for a military coup to oust Trump.

Kaine just told Americans to “take it to the streets.” This is being framed by the Opposition as a call for street violence.

Police refused to make even one arrest for the Berkeley riots. The mayor apparently gave them a stand-down order. There are photos of hundreds of police standing around doing nothing on the second floor of the Student Union while the Opposition is getting pummeled outside. They let the vandalism go on and not one person was arrested for a lot of serious assaults on Trumpsters. It sure looks like the police are implicitly saying they will not interfere when people smash stuff and beat up the Opposition. Few if any prominent liberals have even criticized the Berkeley riots, and the media is pretty much blacking them out, which is tacit acceptance at least for media cover-up.

I have not seen the Left so activated since the 1970’s. The anarchists themselves say that anarchism has never been so popular.

There are regular calls to assassinate Trump. Madonna practically threatened to blow up the White House. A BLM speaker the other day advocating “Killing people…killing the White House.”#killtrump tags have appeared in the 10,000’s on Twitter. There are so many that I am certain that the SS is hardly investigating them. There are SS agents themselves saying they will not protect him from assassin.

And Trump’s actions by themselves are quite violent. So we are comparing the structural violence of Trump with the street violence of antifa. I must say Trump’s violence is worse. Until it can be shown that these riots are objectively hurting us, I won’t agree with an argument that they are bad tactics due to decreasing our support and driving support to the Opposition.

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Fake News: Lies Galore about the Berkeley Riots

Trash: You summed it up. Young unemployed unkempt young men rioting over obscure British journalists in a minor venue of a “Berserkley”-a college famous for its radicalism anyhow.

Most have grown up in the suburbs their Jewish or WASP parents worked hard to pay for in order to shield them from NAM’s, poor rural white trash, urban squalor or anything rougher than a scraped knee at a soccer game or a slap from their father.

They have never served in the military, spent time in jail, been mugged or even boxed or wrestled in high school.

To the financial-industrial complex they are trivial and unimportant. Some of their parents are even low-rung cogs in that machine itself who have been dedicated slaves to the system and its owner.

Sad to say but they are not taken very seriously.

Some of the protesters are children of lawyers or other cogs in the liberal elite machine.

Others are children of cogs in the financial-industrial complex.

Chaotic amateur violence among blacks is a more serious civil matter. But these folks have never fired a gun in their life, or changed a tire, or oil for a car, or served in the military or done anything but hang around student unions drinking refills of coffee.

As revolutionaries they are amateur-no IRA provisional soldier has taught them the finer points of guerrilla warfare in a Middle Eastern training camp.

1. The rioters were Berkeley students and even professors. Not true.

Students who were at the protests said that the students were protesting peacefully when they were invaded by 150 antifa Black Bloc types. These guys then took the whole demonstration in a whole new direction. He said they were a lot older than students, average age in the late 20’s. People said that no one had ever seen these people before. Some thought they came from outside of Berkeley, possibly from Oakland. There is a large anarchist presence in Oakland that riots fairly regularly.

There was also an argument that Berkeley students are very privileged and would not want to have a serious arrest on their record.

2. The demonstrations/riots were sponsored by George Soros. Not true. Soros simply gives money to some of the liberal organizations that have been organizing demonstrations, such as those at the women’s marches. Soros does not issue any marching orders telling these organizations to stage demonstrations or any of that sort. These decisions are internal to these groups and I doubt if they would need to be convinced to demonstrate under Trump anyway. Of course there is no evidence that Soros is behind the antifa Black Bloc rioters.

3. The demonstrators/rioters are being paid by George Soros. Not true. There is no evidence that Soros has ever given one of these anti-Trump protesters one nickel for going to a demo and he certainly does not pay the rioters to riot.

4. The rioters are liberals. Not true. The demonstrators are a combination of liberals and Leftists. The overwhelming majority of them seem to be engaging in peaceful protest. The rioters are all Leftists. Specifically, they are Far Left antifa Black Bloc anarchists.

5. The rioters are all Communists. Not true. So far there is no evidence whatsoever that any Communists are participating in the riots. ‘Til now it has all been an anarchist faction. I am not even aware of a large Communist presence at the demonstrations. If someone can show me evidence of a large Communist role in the demonstrations, I would like to see it.

6. The “Alt Left” is demonstrating and even rioting. Not true. Nope, the Alt Left has no presence whatsoever in the riots and I am not even aware if any of us are participating in the demos. A lot of us support the demos and a few of us even support the riots, but the Alt Left has not participated in these events in any way so far.

7. SJW’s and the “Alt Left” are the same thing. Not true. This is a lie that crazy Trump supporters made up. We bashed them for their White Supremacist Alt Right movement which is so prominent among Trump supporters, so in order to deflect from that, they made up a lie that the Left, liberals/Democrats/Hillary voters along with Bernie supporters, SJW’s and the Far Left, are all part of something called the “Alt Left.” Problem is, they’re not. They do not identify as Alt Left.

You cannot put people into some artificial made-up category that they themselves reject unless you have some evidence that it applies to them. The only people that are Alt Left are a small group of rather socially conservative Leftists and liberals who support leftwing economics while opposing the Cultural Left. So calling the Cultural Left “Alt Left” is not only untrue; it is in fact a slander. Not only is the Cultural Left not Alt Left, but the Cultural Left is the perfect example of everything the Alt Left is opposed to.

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An Opposing View: No, the Alt Left Should Not Ally with PC/SJW Left

Here.

Ryan England in a new column rejects my proposal for an alliance with the SJW’s of the PC Cultural Left. He has an excellent argument, which I will however disagree with.

But he’s correct that the SJW’s have destroyed the Left and they destroy it more and more with each passing day, I believe. They are a toxic force that derails the whole movement into insipid elementary school age squabbles about whose oppression is bigger and whose is smaller. I think it’s mostly just idiocy, but Ryan notes that if you go to Sargon of Akkad’s videos, you will see comment after comment of people saying, “I used to be on the Left, until…SJW SJW SJW (various complaints about SJW’s and the Cultural Left).”

For that matter, on videos of recent Leftist violence against Trump supporters mostly committed by Black Bloc anarchist Leftists, you see the same thing, person after person saying, “I used to be on the Left but I left because of stuff like this (antifas assaulting opponents in the streets.” So perhaps antifa violence may be driving people away from the Left too in a similar fashion as SJWism does.

Anyway, both the possibility of an Alt Left-SJW alliance and whether antifa violence helps or hurts the Left should be reasonable topics to debate. Let the discussion begin.

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The Alt Left Is Not a Harmful Left Splinter Movement

Alt Left? Alt Left? And meanwhile, whilst the Left splinters off into subgroups crying about Jews or Transsexuals, the Far Right railroads on, picking up more followers whilst bunch of fuckwits delay and confuse any leftwing action. Twats!

First of all, the Alt Left is a tiny movement right now. Most people have never even heard of it. What everyone thinks is the Alt Left is not the Alt Left at all. In fact, it is just the Left in all its Cultural Left SJW glory, with an emphasis on the more left elements like Sanders.

The Alt Left doesn’t talk much about Jews or trannies these days. To the extent that we do, it is only because these are interesting topics of discussion. There’s nothing much to be done with Jews or trannies or any similar entities politically anyway. Neither are going to change or go anywhere. They will stay right where they are doing just what they do.

The Alt Left is not splintering away the Left. It has extremely limited appeal on the Left anyway. Most of its adherents seem to be splitting off somewhat from the Right.

It’s a great new movement with a lot of potential. It’s not bad for the Left at all. In fact, it’s great for the Left. It doesn’t matter anyway as most of the Left thoroughly rejects the Alt Left.

Right now, the Alt Left priority is fighting against Trump and the Republicans in the US. In the UK, the Alt Left should be fighting against Cameron’s ultra-Thatcherism and the growing fascistization of your land. It should be the same in most places. The primary enemy of the Alt Left is the Right, all around the world. We do argue with some of the Modern Left because they think the Modern Left has gone insane, which is true, but the Cultural Left is not our primary enemy at the moment. They are mostly just annoying foolish morons.

Although we do not like the Cultural Left, we will make alliance with them against Trump and the Republicans if they will ally with us. Right now the Alt Left is supporting the protests against Trump, even the violent ones. We are supporting the riots, the antifa and the Black Bloc. We believe non-peaceful protest should be an option.

The Alt Left are “conservative Leftists.” We are Leftists who are somewhat socially conservative. We are also nationalists. We are similar to the Old Left in the US before the early 1960’s. We are also similar to the ideology of a lot of older Communist regimes.

  • I am having a very hard time seeing how the Alt Left harms the Left at all. They don’t even like us anyway. Someone needs to explain to me how the Alt Left hurts the Left. I am just not getting it. Basically we are grabbing people who are drifting towards Trumpism and the Alt Right and shoehorning them into a corner of the Left. Our intention is to grow the Left, not shrink it.

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New Facebook Group – The Original Alt Left

I just created my own Alt Left FacebookThe Original Alt Left – group, not out of vanity but because one of my comrades asked me to form my own group and offered to be the moderator.

The Alt Left has become a brand name now, and most of the wings are getting pretty far away from the original values and manifestos as written by Rabbit, me, Ryan England and a few others.

They are either full of conservatives, spending all their time fighting SJW’s, or worst of all, somewhat less insane versions of SJW’s. A lot of others have taken a very hard line against Left economics and are proposing Keynesianism and social democracy instead. Nothing wrong with that, but the original idea was that the Alt Left should be open to consider all forms of Left economics. We are not anti-Communists! Leave that crap to the Right.

The original Alt Left was also quite a bit more socially conservative that most of the present wings.

In addition, the Alt Left as envisioned by Rabbit and me was to be a place where anything could be discussed and any sacred cows could be gored. As such it was race realist, gender realist or red-pilled, sexual orientation realist, gender identity realist, etc.

Almost all present wings have abandoned race realism as too much of a hot potato, but this group will continue allow discussion of racial differences with a Left viewpoint.

Any of my readers are certainly welcome to join.

Here is a description of the group that I wrote:

This is an Alternative Left group created by me, Robert Lindsay, who, believe it or not, is the person who actually created the Alt Left. However, now that the Alt Left has become a name brand with more wings than a flock of geese, many of these wings have gotten seriously away from the original intentions of me and some of the other early thinkers.

The main way they are diverging is towards conservatism. We are not conservatives! I do not know how many times we need to shout that from the rooftops. We are people of the Left – liberals, progressives, Leftists, socialists, Communists and anarchists. Now granted we rather weird and dissident Leftists, we are nevertheless of the Left. While social conservatives can stay, all other conservatives will be banned on sight. No supporting the US conservative movement, the Republican Party or Trump.

Another way the Alt Left has gotten away is that some wings are simply less insane versions of SJW insanity. We are anti-SJW and anti-PC to the core. Nevertheless, we still support the basic goals of all these liberation movements when they began. Our motto is, “We signed up for Liberation, not insanity!” We are for equal rights but against weirdness, insanity and the general Cultural Left Freakshow.

We are pro-civil rights and against real racism. However, modern anti-racism has gone insane. MLK would not recognize this clown car. 80% of what is called sexism, racism, homophobia or antisemitism is nothing of the sort. It is just real talk by real people. Nevertheless there are ugly racists, nasty antisemites, misogynistic men and women who hate men. These are the real forms of prejudice, and we will oppose those all the way.

A third way the Alt Left has gone out of control is that it spends most of its time attacking SJW’s and says almost nothing about the menace of Trump and modern Republican Party who are imposing a proto-fascist dictatorship on us.

All women are welcome to join! Please do!

Black people are more than welcome as are those of any other race! Come on in!

Sexual minorities are also welcome though they may dislike the tone.

Of course, socially conservative Leftists are more than welcome! You are the whole reason for this movement.

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The Role of Conservatives and Anarchists/Communists/Far Left Types in the Alt Left

Conservatives of any variety have no place in this movement, in particular American conservatives. Social conservatives or even those brave souls to the Right of the insane Cultural Left who are Left on the important stuff can stay, but those people hardly even exist.

Another group of people who barely exist are Communists, anarchists and Far Left types who would be willing to tolerate the Alt Left. Communists, anarchists, etc. are certainly welcome, but most of them have an extreme hatred of what they call liberals. Well, most people in the Alt Left are liberals. So these liberal-haters are going to be spending most of their time bashing 75% of the movement. What’s the point?

I would also point out that almost 100% of Communists/anarchists/Far Left types have gone over to the Cultural Left, usually in the most extreme way possible. Far Left types are nearly all SJW’s now, and they are some of the worst SJW’s of them all. Most Communists and anarchists who showed up in Alt Left groups starting fighting us right away on all sorts of things. They generally called us fascists, racists, or Nazis within a few days and then took off. So while such folks are surely welcomed, the fact of the matter is that few if any Communists, anarchists or Far Left types will be joining the Alt Left anyway, so all this silly hand-wringing about throwing these people out of the Alt Left is just pointless. You can’t throw out people who are not in the movement in the first place. 

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Alt Left: A Call for an Alliance with the PC/SJW Left against Trump and the Republican Party

RL: I will make alliance with any and all SJW’s against Trump and the Republican Party. They’re the real enemy. SJW’s are not our enemies. They are our people who have sadly become deranged. But anyone who thinks PC or SJW’s is the main threat is crazy.”

Tulio: That’s a good way of framing it. I was at the women’s march for my city yesterday and was struggling with how to feel about SJWs. I’m not exactly PC myself, and I have some views about masculinity/femininity/feminism/homosexuality that would get me excommunicated from that crowd. But I was willing to put those differences aside and march with them as a show of force against fascism. Now’s not the time for infighting within the resistance. There are bigger fish to fry.

I will agree with Tulio 100% here. Much of the Alt Left appears to be locked into a war against SJW’s. While it is understandable as a lot of these SJW’s are out and out idiots and fools, this is a very bad use of resources right now.

The Alt Left is a Left movement, and I would go so far as to say it is a movement of the Revolutionary Left. The enemy are blocking all efforts at peaceful change, so we are going to have to go beyond peaceful methods. That doesn’t mean killing people or even seriously hurting people, but a little property damage never hurt anybody. And destroying the property of our class enemies, the rich and the corporations, seems like an Alt Left no-brainer to me.

The Alt Left is not out to reform the system via peaceful change or elections, as the enemy is blocking all efforts at electoral change. The system is so rotten anyway that any peaceful change seems dubious, with new ugly faces probably just replacing the old ugly faces. Instead we are out to destroy the whole system and replace it with something else.

The Alt Left position is that we need to get rid of this elite and replace them with new people. The governments across the board, the MSM media, the DNC Democrats, the career government people in the CIA, Pentagon and State Department, they all need to go.

Any Left or radical democratic governments or people in government or media can stay. Who should we replace the rotten ancien regime with? I would say to replace them with something like Bernie Sanders supporters. Yes, they are mostly SJW’s, but the people they would be replacing are so much worse.

The MSM media needs to be destroyed and replaced with some form of New Media, ideally a Radical Democratic Media.

The Alt Left should use peaceful methods where we can. For an example of our peaceful revolutionary methods, look at the lawsuits launched by the Green Party to ask for recounts in the obviously fraudulent elections of 2016. Those lawsuits are an Alt Left revolutionary way of taking out the system because at this point, with Republican electoral fraud going back nearly 30 years and even the Democrats now getting in on the fraud, it is the whole rotten electoral system is riddled with fraud from top to bottom that the whole apparatus needs to be taken out.

Note that no actual recounts were actually done in three states, and Republicans fell all over themselves trying to stop the recounts. A nation where possibly fraudulent elections are banned from being recounted by law is not any sort of democracy in any way whatsoever. So we can see that the Greens’ use of peaceful methods was completely thwarted and useless which points out my view that peaceful change is useless since the enemy is blocking all efforts at peaceful change.

When I say Revolutionary Left, I do not mean putting in a Left dictatorship. Instead the Alt Left would support something more like the Radical Democracy that the Greens are calling for. The Greens probably hate the Alt Left, but we have more in common with them than they think. The Alt Left will certainly make alliance with any Greens if they will tolerate us. They are all SJW’s, but we have bigger things to worry about now.

Even for the Left Wing of the Alt Right, I realize that a lot of these people are Whites who are not fond of Blacks, Browns and other non-Whites. That actually does not bother me a whole lot, although that is not my position in any way. Obviously these folks are locked into a war with SJW’s, PC people and especially the antiracists. All of these groups are excellent enemies, and they much earned a lot of much-deserved enmity. But I would say that even for the Left Wing of the Alt Right, the primary enemy even in race terms should be the Rich, especially the White Rich.

The White Rich are the class enemies of the Left Wing of the Alt Right. They will always be the primary enemy. I certainly think that any beefs these people have with non-Whites or antiracist SJW’s are of much lesser importance than the primary class war which has heated up to such a point that we are close to an objectively revolutionary situation. Although I am not speaking to most of the LWAR crowd due to their support of Trump, it might be interesting to see how they feel about my advice.

The Alt Left motto at this juncture should be: Make the country ungovernable!

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