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Pan-Aryanism: White World Tour

Pan-Aryanism goes beyond the Stormfront criteria and says there are Whites in North Africa, the Arab World, Turks, Georgia, the Caucasus, and even in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, although true Whites are few in the last few countries. Nevertheless, there are some very interesting people in those three countries who are clearly White. These seem to be the remains of the ancient Aryans who populated the region.

Pan-Aryanists refer to White North Africans, White Turks (35%) and White Arabs as White while stating nonetheless that many North Africans, Turks and Arabs who are not White. How do you tell the difference? Well, try looking at them. Determination of whether someone is White or not is generally just observational.

I would go further and class all Turks as White and even include quite a few of the odd Uighurs. The people of the Stans just seem too mixed to be White. Same with Tatars, Bashkirs, and a number of other Turkic groups in Russia. They just seem too mixed with Asians. A very interesting question in the case of people like the Khanty and the Mansi, who like the Uighurs are nearly 50-50 White/Asian. I suppose we would just go observationally here to determine who is White and who isn’t.

I would throw in all of the peoples of the Caucasus – Chechens, Ingush, Ossetians, Circassians, Dagestanis, Nogays, Cherkessiasns, Kabardians, Balkars, and Karachays as White because they just are. The Azeris are also clearly White, as are the Assyrians further to the south in the Middle East.

Most Arabs are White, but at some point, some of them just are not. Quite a few Gulf Arabs would probably not make the cut. Look at Prince Bandar. Not a White man. Most Yemenis would be thrown in. Many Egyptians especially in the north would be thrown in, but this would have to be done on a one to one basis. Many Egyptians, especially in the south, are too mulattized to be White. Same with Libya. Qaddafi was White, but many Libyans are either Black or too mulattized.

Most if not all Tunisians are White as are most Algerians, at least those in the north. Most Moroccans are White except for a number of Blacks in the south. Tuaregs are clearly not White, nor are the Beja, Ethiopians, Somalians, Djiboutians, etc. Eritreans are a tough call, but they are probably not White enough.

That’s it for Whites around the world.

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Sanskrit: A Language of Perfection

I disagree on one thing though. I believe that Sanskrit was learned as a first language for a long time in India. I can’t prove it, but this is what I believe.

In fact there is a village in India to this very day where Sanskrit is spoken as a first language. The entire village consists of Sanskrit native speakers. What’s odd is that it seems to be a low caste village in a rural area. The idea that Sanskrit is some super-language that is too complex to be learned by humans is negated by the fact that these impoverished, possibly malnourished (note effects on brain development) 82 IQ low caste rural learn Sanskrit perfectly well as a first language.

The truth is that there is no natural human language that is too wild, nutty, or complex to be learned by children. If a language was developed naturally by humans,  then it can be learned by human children. Any human children. Anywhere. Period. The child’s brain is like a sponge up until age 7-8 and any human language can be picked up quite effortlessly during this age range. There is indeed a Critical Period for language learning that begins to close at age 8 and continues to close until mid-adolescence when it is closed for good. However, I still believe that you will learn a language better if you start learning it at age 15 than at age 40.

Judith on Sanskrit, magic and the quest for the perfect language.

Judith Mirville: I learned Sanskrit (mostly in the intention to demystify the present-day New Age system of magic that claims of ancient Indian lore and just cannot.

For instance chakras as we claim to know them were just unknown to classical expounders of yoga, when you find the word used only once by Patanjali it only means the body’s axis of rotational momentum as both dancers and judokas learn to know to achieve perfect balance, it has nothing to do with any invisible organ made of subtle matter) : it is not so difficult if you realize first it was never meant to be spoken as a natural language, but learned as a second language as a kind of Esperanto that actually worked.

It is an artificial, contrived language that cannot have anything to do with divinity (actually the word deva can mean any spirit like the Greek daimon), though some part of it can be used for magic, which is something very different (and even as a language for magic, classical Arabic or Greek is superior).

It is not true it is too complicated for humans, it is complicated to use it because human bureaucrats (not divine beings) built it like a perfect computer programming language without allowing any divine intervention : it is perfect for the expression of all forms of political correctness first and foremost.

If you are a good computer programmer mastering several coding languages you can pick up Sanskrit much faster, because its rules are formulated in the same way as in a computer language manual (but that doesn’t fetch into very high mathematics, more into mere accounting, hence my analogy with computer languages). Unfortunately there is no divine imprint on Sanskrit, due to its utter lack of simplicity and also to its lack of cleanliness of design.

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“Rape is the Answer to Every Indian Man’s Problem,” by Magneto

Rape is the Answer to Every Indian Man’s Problem

by Magneto

Recently a disgruntled ex-employee of Snapchat went to the media and made up a story where he claimed the CEO of Snapchat had no interest in expanding the Indian market and called India a poor country. There are no actual records of him saying this. All we have to base it on is the verbal account of the disgruntled ex-employee.

Well, this didn’t stop Indians from losing their shit and going nuts. The next day hundreds of thousands of Indians were writing online messages protesting against Snapchat and leaving 1 star ratings on the Snapchat app in the App Store. I went to a couple of places where Indians were writing their typical rude illiterate comments about Snapchat, and I mentioned to them: “What is wrong with you people? There is no proof the CEO even made that statement. Why are you Indians such easily-offended people? You Indians need to grow up!”

This caused me to receive the same typical idiotic and illiterate rude comments from Indians. I laughed at most of them, but one comment really stuck out to me.

An Indian guy had written “You are an asshole. I fuck your mother, sister, etc”.

I replied “Well at least you are admitting you are a rapist”. But then I started to think. Is rape literally the only answer, the only response, that an Indian male can give to a problem?

Woman cuts you off in traffic? Rape her. Woman making burgers at McDonald’s accidentally put the wrong toppings on your burger? Rape her. Walking down the street and a woman gave you a nasty stare? Rape her. Your sister stole your lunch money, so you didn’t eat lunch that day? Rape her. Your mom disciplined you because you stayed up all night playing computer games? Rape her. Rape, rape, rape, rape, rape.

Rape seems to be the only thing on most Indian men’s minds. It’s like a constant fixation for them. What the Buddhists would call one-mindedness, samadhi, the attainment of nirvana? For Indian men, it is rape. Rape is all they can think about, and rape is the answer to any problem they may have. And Indian men have always been like this.

Back in the British time, around 200 years ago, Western liberals tried to condemn the British for warning their White wives to avoid contact with Indian men for fear of being raped. Indian men were not allowed to mix with White women, and the reason was that if Indian men socialized with White women, the Indian men would be overcome with lust and rape her. The very fact that such a stereotype about Indian men existed 200 years ago is proof that this is how Indian men have always been and how Indian men always will be. Rape is simply flowing through their blood. They do not know anything other than rape. Calling an Indian man a rapist is not racist or factually incorrect. It is 100% true in 95% of cases.

To the 5% good Indian men, I apologize. But then again you guys are responsible for keeping the other 95% in line, you clearly have failed to do so, and therefore you are also guilty to some extent for the rape crisis.

I must give a very clear warning to all Western White women. Do not visit India under any circumstances. Boycott that disgusting country. If you go to India looking for “spirituality”, you will not find it and will only find yourself being repeatedly violated over and over again by lusty Indian rapist men. If you want spirituality, then learn about it in the safety of your own country.

There are plenty of Hindu or Buddhist temples in the West now, so there’s no need to travel to India to find such wisdom. Any male reading this article? It is your duty to warn every woman you know to avoid India and to be very careful and cautious around Indian men. I would kindly suggest that you send your female friends and female family members a copy of this article’s URL so they can read it for themselves. Indian men will never change and will never stop raping women. Therefore all we can do is act to protect our own women against such horrible rapists.

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“Indian Men are Hopeless Rapists,” by Magneto

Indian Men are Hopeless Rapists

by Magneto

Recently I decided to do a social experiment with Indians. I created a fake Facebook account and used profile pictures of a White woman wearing a traditional Indian saree dress. Lo and behold, I was getting like 500 friend requests a day from Indian men, so I hit the 5,000 friends limit in about 10 days. Indian men are super-thirsty for White women.

Once I hit the 5,000 friends limit, I posted a message that went along the lines of “Why is there so much rape in India? Why do Indian men not respect women? The UN said India is the worst country on earth for women. Why do Indian men act like such rapist dogs around women?”

This obviously ignited a firestorm of angry comments from Indian men. About 20% of the comments were Indian men who were humble and agreeing with me. The other 80% were all trying to downplay and minimize the amount of rape and abuse in India.

I replied to them, “How can you guys act like it doesn’t exist? Why are you downplaying rape and abuse? Are you guys rapists yourselves?”

Indians refuse to acknowledge the disgusting realities of their country. They’ve been brainwashed into blind patriotism, and that is why they get so offended when you say anything negative about India. They will try to deny or act like what you are saying is false. Think about that for a minute. Rape is obviously a massive problem in India, and yet you have 80% of the male population denying it or acting like it isn’t a big problem.

This just shows what disgusting rapists Indian men truly are. They are beyond hope, and many Indian women have told me this directly. Indian women told me, “Rape is flowing through Indian men’s blood, and they will never change”.

Indian men are truly the most disgusting subhumans on this earth. There is no group of men who are more uncouth, uncivilized, barbaric, and outright disgusting. This is why Indian women have a bitchy attitude towards men. Think about it, if you grew up in a country where men are all pigs, you would probably hate men too. So I don’t blame Indian women for being man-hating feminists. Rather I blame Indian men for acting like a bunch of lusty dogs who cannot control themselves around women.

At this point all we can do is just continue speaking the truth and trying to reach as many people as possible. And eventually one day, White Western countries will take serious action and deport all Indians, or at least Indian men and cut off all ties with that horrible rapist country. Indian men have always been, and will always be, rapists. There is no hope of redemption for them.

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“The Hypocrisy of Indian’s Racism,” by Magneto

The Hypocrisy of Indian’s Racism

by Magneto

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of Indians are evil-hearted people. An African friend of mine was telling me that he believes that Indians do not have a soul. He believes that God made a mistake when he created Indians or that perhaps it was some Satanic force which created Indians.

We’ve all seen how Indians whine about racism and are constantly trying to play the race card. Indians are the most hypocritical people on this planet. In the past few weeks, many Nigerians and other African students living in India have been attacked by mobs of Indians. It’s gotten so bad that the African student groups in India are demanding that their African countries cut off all diplomatic ties with India.

I know a few Africans, and they are very nice people. They are far better people than any Indian. Why are Indians so racist towards Africans? Because Indians believe that all Africans are engaged in drug trade, prostitution, or violent crime. This is absolutely false. None of the Africans I know are involved in selling drugs, and as far as I know they don’t even use marijuana, not to mention any other drug.

The root cause of this is of course Hinduism, a religion that teaches that dark skin means you are of low character and that white skin means you are of high character. There are many quotes in the Vedas to this effect.

Indians are simply the most evil, vile, disgusting race of people on this planet. They literally have zero good qualities. India is such an absolute shithole that it makes Africa look like a First World country by comparison. I encourage all Africans to take revenge against Indians living in Africa and demand that they go back to India. Why should Africa allow Indians to live there when Indians treat Africans so badly? I also encourage all African students living in India to simply leave India. Sorry, but the country is no longer safe for you. Indians are primitive savage barbarians, and it is no place for any tourist or foreigner to live. Boycott India, refuse to do business with any Indian, and cut off all diplomatic ties with India.

Indians are truly the spawn of Satan. Deeply evil people.

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“Latest Updates from the Land of the Poo” by Magneto

I would like my own little bit here to Magneto’s excellent essay. I had a dream last night and this is what happened in the dream:

“DESIGNATED!” I said, laughing heartily. “A FUCKING WAGON WHEEL!” I added, pointing their flag as tears of mirth streaking down my cheeks.

“Fuck you!” Rajay scowled back. “We have a fucking space program! We’ll be a superpower by 2020!”

I howled even louder in laughter, just as an Indian might howl as his asshole was burned by the spicy curryshit he was taking while he squatted on his designated street.

“Surely you’re joking!,” I laughed. “You expect me to believe that you’ll be putting men on the moon when you don’t even know to put the poo in the loo?”

“You’ve mocked my country for the last time! We’ll show you!” Rajay screamed, walking away, his shoulders tensed, doubtless because he needed to go shit in the street for the eighth time that day.

Later, I was quietly asleep in my bed, when all of a sudden I was awoken by a sudden noise. It was a wooden-sounding rattling, one that I could have sworn that I could recognize, yet I didn’t until it was too late. My window shattered, a giant fucking wagon wheel came spinning through the scattered shards like a whirling dervish, castling flecks of accumulated poo, no doubt accumulated as it rolled down the designated shitting streets as it made its fateful way to me.

I screamed as the wagon wheel crunched into my torso, smashing my ribs and bursting my organs like the bloated corpses of dead children floating down the Ganges River. I think I soiled myself in that moment, but honestly I couldn’t tell, partly because I was in too much pain and partly because the smell was already too bad. As consciousness drifted away from me and darkness closed in, it was almost as if the scattered mounds of shit that had been flung across my room were moving – no – dancing. I could almost swear I  hear their voices of the shit piles as they jigged up and down.

“Take the poo to the loo…” They seemed to whisper. “Take the poo to the loo…”

Latest Updates from the Land of the Poo

by Magneto

It has been a while since I wrote anything, so I just wanted to mention three different incidents regarding Indians in the past few weeks that I found interesting.

The first incident is about an Indian woman named Shree Chauhan who verbally attacked Sean Spicer in public. She was calling him a fascist and her Twitter account is full of anti-White tweets saying “White supremacy is the root cause of all the problems in America”. Oh really, Shree? Well if you hate White people so much, why not just go back to India? At least White men don’t rape you, throw acid in your face, and stone you to death like Indian men do.

Here is a link to that incident:

Second incident is about an Indian airline that was flying from Delhi to Chicago. The airplane had 12 toilets, but 4 of the toilets had been disabled by the previous flight, full of Indians of course. By the time the plane was 2 or 3 hours away from Chicago, the remaining eight toilets had been completely destroyed, disabled, and made unusable by Indian’s idiotic toilet habits.

The 300 people on board had to literally hold their bladder and wait to pee until they landed in Chicago. But it’s their own stupid fault for not even knowing how to use a toilet, so I don’t feel any pity for them. How the hell can you afford to buy a plane ticket to America and yet be completely unaware of how to use a Western toilet? Indians constantly brag about how they are the richest people in America, and yet the retards can’t even use toilets?

Here is the link to that incident

The third incident is about a couple of Indian men who got shot in a bar by an ex-Navy Seal in Kansas. Witnesses reported that the Seal shouted “Go back to your country,” before shooting them both.

It is most likely that the two Indian men provoked the Seal and were engaging in the typical Indian braggart bullshit. They were probably saying “You White people are all stupid, and we Indians have all the good jobs.” So they provoked the guy, and he snapped and shot them. Maybe Indians will think twice before acting in such an arrogant fashion?

There’s even been news about how Indian parents are now refusing to send their children to college in America that blame Donald Trump for their behavior, saying that America is no longer safe for minorities now that Trump is in power.

Here is the link to that incident.

And the last thing I wanted to share is that I found a very humorous video on YouTube. It is a musical video called”Take the Poo to the Loo, and it is fully animated too.

The lyrics are especially hilarious, so I’m taking the liberty of posting them below:

First thing in the morning, what do I see?
A pile of shit staring at me.
I close my eyes, I step away.
No matter where I go, there’s no getting away.
Take your poo to the loo.
Take your poo to the loo.
Take your poo to the loo.
Take your poo to the loo.

Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, everywhere.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, next to you.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, where is that loo?

I step out on the street. What do I smell?
Shit that’s stinky to high hell.
I hold my breath, I step away.
But everywhere I go, there’s no getting away.

Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, everywhere.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, next to you.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, everywhere.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, where is that loo?

Shit, not shit, this shit, that shit.p
Let’s see now. Let me check.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday.

Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, everywhere.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, next to you.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, everywhere.
Poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, where is that loo?

Take The Poo To The Loo

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More on the Remains of Ancient Australoid “Indo-Pacific” Languages in India

Jm8: Might there have also been more than one language family among the proto-Australoid peoples of India I wonder (including Austroasiatic) (like there are in Australia and Papua today), since India is big and had been inhabited for a very long time (being among the longest inhabited areas outside Africa)?

It would be interesting to investigate the distribution of Austroasiatic influence over the various Dravidian languages to see where in India it is stronger.

This article suggests that Austroasiatic is not indigenous to India (but rather to south east Asia).

I had though that the Veddoid/early Australoid languages of India might be lost forever and only (maybe) partly reconstructible (in as few aspects) from their influences on other languages that replaced them. But if they were Austroasiatic (and represented by those languages surviving in Andra Pradesh), then that is not the case.

“The Vedda/Australoid people are speakers of the Munda branch of Austroasiatic. There is an Austroasiatic layer in both Dravidian and Indic. It is the oldest layer.”

That’s interesting. I thought Austroasiatic was associated with Southern Proto (Paleo?)-Mongoloids (like some of the Northeast Indian tribes — and Vietnamese is Austroasiatic). But maybe it predates the split between Australoid and Proto-Mongoloid peoples (some Paleomongoloid descendants of course still somewhat resemble Australoids, or did not that long ago in prehistory), which would be interesting. It’s it a very old and deep language family? I know there are some tribes in East Central India (Andra Pradesh I think) that speak Austroasiatic, and they look phenotypically a bit like something transitional between South Mongoloid and Australoid.

“I am not aware of theories showing Dravidian close to Australian languages.”

It might be discredited now (I’ll try to look into it, and the Austroasiatic influence on Dravidian, which is interesting). The theory (I think) was only that there might be a substratal influence of something like one of the Australian families on Dravidian (but still that Dravidian came mostly from somewhere the Middle East — or consistent with that idea anyway).

It might make sense that there is a substratal influence from “Indo-Pacific” languages such as those from the Andaman Islands and West Papua in Dravidian, but I have never heard of it. That would be an older layer underneath even the Munda layer in Dravidian.

There was no split between Australoids and Proto-Mongoloids. The former simply transitioned into the latter. Austroasiatic is associated with the Paleomongoloids and Neomongoloids of SE Asia. Austroasiatic is indeed old and deep, and the evidence for Austroasiatic is about as good as the evidence for Afroasiatic and Altaic. This doesn’t make sense because Afroasiatic and Austroasiatic are generally recognized families, but Altaic is not, although there evidence for the two former is no better than the evidence for the latter.

They were not lost forever as Kusunda, Nihali and the Vedda language substrate seem to be the remains of the tongues of the original Australoid speakers. The original tongues were not Austroasiatic – those languages came later. However, at the moment, most of the highly Australoid people in India speak a Munda language like Santhal. Apparently the Munda languages were once widespread over the whole continent, but most of them were replaced by Dravidian and Indic intrusions. In the more settled people, Dravidian and Indic replaced Munda languages, but in the tribals, the earlier Munda tongues lingered perhaps due to their inaccessibility living in the forest and the fact that the scheduled tribes are mostly outside the caste system.

Yes and the split between the Munda languages and the rest of the Austroasiatic is very deep. Austroasiatic can almost be split into Munda and non-Munda as two basic parts of the family. And there is not a lot left connecting the Munda languages to the rest of the family.

Kusunda, Nihali and the substrate of the Vedda language of Sri Lanka are thought to be the remains of the languages of the original Australoid speakers. These languages may be related to the Andaman Islands languages and Papuan languages. I know there is a connection between Kusunda and Andaman Islands languages and West Papuan tongues. There is some theorized relationship with such “Indo=Pacific” tongues and Nihali and the Vedda substrate also.

Yes, the Mundas came into India relatively lately and surely replaced nearly all of those original Andaman/Papuan languages of the Australoid people.

At the moment, Kusunda and Nihali are isolates, and even the Andaman tongues are split into two different families, so right now there are already separate language families among these Australoid people.

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The Influence of the Tongues of Australoid/Vedda People in India on Dravidian Languages

Jm8: I wonder what influence the languages of the proto-Australoid/Veddoid peoples had on modern Dravidian languages. It seems pretty clear that Dravidian came primarily from a Near Eastern family also ancestral to Elamite (Elamo-Dravidian) in Iran and reached India around the Neolithic. But I wonder if Veddoid peoples’ languages could have a substratal influence on Dravidian (or at least some Dravidian languages—esp those farther south or the tribal ones), even perhaps playing a role in its divergence from its Elamo-Dravidian root; depending on where Dravidian truly diverged (e.g: If it diverged within the Indian subcontinent—like around Pakistan/NW India—, where proto-Australoid peoples lived).

The influence of those peoples might be hard to assess. I recall a while ago reading about an old theory that Dravidian had some grammatical similarities to certain Australian Aboriginal languages (Northern maybe?).

But did these similarities also exist I wonder in the one surviving Dravidian language of the North, Brahui in Pakistan, whose speakers presumably have much less native proto-Australoid ancestry?

One might possibly also check for similarities to Andamanese languages (a bit of a long shot I know).

The Vedda/Australoid people are speakers of the Munda branch of Austroasiatic. There is an Austroasiatic layer in both Dravidian and Indic. It is the oldest layer.

I am not aware of theories showing Dravidian close to Australian languages.

There is a moribund language spoken in Nepal called Kusunda which appears to be related to West Papuan the Andaman Islands languages.

Keep in mind that in mainstream Historical Linguistics (which has deviated far away from anything sane anymore anyway), there is no Papuan language family. Instead, Papua is divided into 37 separate language families and 20 isolates. They also say there is no Australian language family,  although I believe R. W. Dixon made a case for one. Instead we have 20 different language families and four isolates in Australia. And they do not posit that the Andaman languages form a coherent family. There are two separate families even in the Andaman Islands, with Ongan and Greater Andamanese, with no demonstrated relationship between them. I have looked at the Andaman languages, and trust me, some of them are extremely far apart.

The people positing that Papuan, Australian and Andaman are language families or even that all three together form a single family called Indo-Pacific (Joseph Greenberg’s hypothesis) are all long-rangers whose views are not accepted in mainstream linguistics. However, Steven Wurm accepts a much-modified and more conservative view of Greenberg’s theory.  In addition, it appears that Trans New Guinea, West Papuan, Greater Andamanese and some Timorese languages, all included in Greenberg’s Indo-Pacific, show striking similarities which to my mind could only be genetic.

At any rate mainstream Linguistics is very conservative as far as Historical Linguistics goes. The existence of Elamo-Dravidian, which should be obvious to anyone looking, is not even regarded as proven.

I have looked at Dravidian quite a bit, and I did not think it was even close to the putative Nostratic family of Northern Eurasia. Instead it seemed to be closer to Afroasiatic than anything else. If Elamite was spoken in Western Iran, and before that the proto-Dravidians were in the Levant (according to the old theories), then it would make sense that Dravidian would be closer to Afroasiatic than anything else.

Keep in mind that Afroasiatic is a very old family – it may be 13-15,000 years old. And the fact that it is even regarded as proven at all (yes there are some ultra-splitters who are now saying that Afroasiatic is not even real) shows how wrong Historical Linguistics is when they say that any relationships older than 8,000 years cannot be proven because they are beyond the means of the comparative method of Historical Linguistics. If anything over 8,000 YBP is unknowable as far as the comparative method is concerned, then how did we prove Afroasiatic which goes back 15,000 YBP?

But Comparative Linguistics has gotten totally offtrack. Whereas traditionally, we simply observed languages and threw them into families based on obvious similarities and only after that reconstructed, now they have it backwards. No matter how much the languages look alike, we can’t put them into a family unless we have reconstructed all the way back to the proto-languages and found regular sound correspondences. Only then do we prove relatedness.

But Linguistics never worked that way before. Relatedness was posited simply on observation, and only later was the hard reconstruction work with regular sound correspondences done.

According to Lyle Campbell, Joanna Nichols and others unfortunately at the top of Historical Linguistics nowadays, Sir William Jones could not have even posited the existence of an Indo-European family because we had not yet reconstructed Proto-Indo-European and its regular sound correspondences yet. See? They’ve got it backwards.

Anyway even IE is not well understood. How’s that Laryngeal Theory working out for you guys? Coming right along, right? Didn’t think so. Just as I thought.

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The Confusing Genetics of East Indians

A-Man: Robert why did you say that south Indians are Caucasoid in genes? Aren’t they like a midway group between proto-Arabids (Caucasoid) and Australoid?

On some charts (autosomal DNA) the only Australoids are Papuans and Aborigines, and Indians look Caucasoid on those charts. That would be Cavalli-Sforza’s chart. However, they are some of the strangest Caucasoids of all as they are distantly related to the rest and closer to Asians than any other Caucasoids. Other charts have them an independent race between Asians and Caucasoids.

And yes, Indians are linked to Europeans, especially Southern Europeans, via Arabs. The link goes like this:

Greeks -> Arabs -> Indians

And honestly there is not a lot of genetic distance between any of those groups. The Asian and African sub-races are much further apart than Caucasoids. There is probably more distance between Samoyeds and Chukchi than between any of the three above.

Incidentally, the Chukchi somehow barely end up in the Caucasoid plot on Cavalli-Sforza’s autosomal chart! This indicates how closely related some of those ancient Siberians are to ancient Caucasoids. There is a group called Ancient Northeast Asians from 15-20,000 YBP that seems to be ancestral to both NE Asians and Caucasoids. There are also links between Orcadians (Scottish Islanders) and Siberians. Skulls from Europe from 21,000 YBP look more Amerindian than anything else. The closest match-up between those ancient European skulls is the Makah Amerindian tribe from the US. But the Amerindians are sometimes thought of as a NE Asian-Caucasoid link anyway.

Another interesting thing on Cavalli-Sforza’s chart is that the Berbers, a Caucasoid group, land barely in the African plot! This shows deep links between North African Caucasians and Black Subsaharan Africans.

There is a small Berberid group from Algeria called Mozabites. These are Caucasoids, but they are some of the weirdest-looking Caucasoids I have ever seen. They don’t really look like any other race of humans, but if you had to throw them anywhere, you would have to put them in Caucasians. Some of them look remarkably like people from India. In papers about the genesis of the Caucasian race, North Africa, the Middle East and India are mentioned as three hubs of the development of this race with many migrations back and forth over 30-40,000 YBP. And that Mozabite group gets mentioned over and over when they talk about the remains of ancient genetic groups along with the Uighur for some odd reason.

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Where Did the Dravidians Come from?

Trash: A-MAN

I have no notion of where Dravidian people are from. This is quite mysterious although they are somewhat similar to Australian aboriginals.

But who knows where they are from?

Dravidians are possibly ancient Caucasoids. They probably came from Western Iran (Elamites) and before that, maybe the Levant all the way back to 15-20,000 YBP by the old theories.

They only look like Aborigines because they admixed so heavily with the existing population of Australoid Veddoid types who were already there when the Dravidians showed up.

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