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Delphi Murders Update December 16, 2017

New Delphi Murders Update!

Notice: All of the really hot discussion and sleuthing on the site has headed over to the private password-protected forum, where our team of ~200 websleuths has been working on this case and has assembled a huge case against our suspect, including videos and many photographs. Instructions on how to get on the private forum.

Note to readers: People don’t understand how this site works. All of our rumors and theories are just hypotheses because few if any of them have been proven. We report the rumor or test out various hypotheses about how the murders were done, by whom and for which motive.  This is precisely what all good detectives do all the time. A classic murder case will involve detectives throwing up literally hundreds of suspects, motives, and theories before they finally settle on one or solve the crime. As soon as we report a rumor or formulate a theory, we begin trying to either falsify it or prove it. This is the scientific method. You make a hypothesis, then you set out trying to prove or disprove it. This is how all science and all detective work is done.

Delphi Murders Suspect(s) Under Surveillance by LE!

Suspect 1: In some incredible news, we can now report that a suspect (we will call him Suspect 1) either is or was under surveillance by LE as a suspect in the Delphi Murders. On September 18, we received word from an excellent source that this suspect was under surveillance as a suspect in the case. We do not know if he is still under surveillance, but he may very well be. He also may have been placed under surveillance at some point up to three months prior to September 18. So at least in September, LE had someone under surveillance as a suspect in this crime. It’s possible that they are still under surveillance, and LE may have been watching them for almost five months.

This suspect has changed residence a couple of times around the time he was under surveillance. We have no idea if this man knows was under surveillance. We know who this man is, and we have researched him intensively in recent days. We cannot tell you his name. However, I will say that he refused to give DNA. He has been interviewed twice by LE. The suspect has an alibi for the day of the crime, and he believes that LE is satisfied  with his alibi. However,  two months after he made that statement, we received a report that he was under surveillance, so it looks like LE does not buy his alibi at all. We have looked into this man’s alibi, and we believe he is lying about his alibi. I will say that this man was definitely in Delphi on the day of the crime.

Suspect 2: We just received a report that LE has identified a man who is associated with the vehicle with the paper drive-off plates that may be the VOI in the case. The report states that this man is under surveillance by LE. However, I feel that this Suspect 2 is probably the same man as Suspect 1.

Suspect 3: A new report says that a man who is well known in connection with this crime (not necessarily in a bad way) and who many have fingered as a suspect for a long time is under surveillance by LE. I do not believe that this man had anything to do with the crime, and I do not believe he is under surveillance, so I think this is a false rumor.

First Ever Photos from the Crime Scene!

Wow. We now have a shocking new development. We believe that we have finally isolated actual photos from the scene of this crime! The photos were stills taken from a video of a news station flying their news helicopter over the area of the crime shortly after the girls’ bodies were found. A pink blotch shows up first at 17:13 and later around the 18 minute mark. At 18:14, there is a flash and then you can see the pink blotch well. We took a still of this shot at 18:14 and have been working on it for some time now. One of our sleuths is a superb graphic artist and she has been doing some great work for us. She has a degree in Graphic Arts.

Upon blowing up the photo and using many filters on it, we have isolated what looks like a human body in this photo. The body appears to be lying on its back with one of its knees bent. You can see what look like two arms splayed out above the legs. The pink blotch is located above the arms. We believe that this is a photograph of the body of Abby Williams. The pink blotch is her red blouse, which has been pulled over her face and head, obscuring them.

A man named Gray Hughes who specializes in making videos about this crime has made a number of debunking videos that debunk numerous rumors and claims about the crime.

His last couple of videos are flat out wrong.

One video says that Bridge Man does not have a fanny pack. Instead it’s just a shadow.  Perhaps Hughes should consult with the FBI on that one, as the FBI said that the Bridge Man has a fanny pack.

Hughes also made a video proving that the flat object on the left leg of the Bridge Man is just the sun shining on his pants. However, we have proven via the use of filters that that object must be some actual object in his pants. In fact, it is a knife kit with three fishing knives in it.

Hughes got quite a bit of fame for debunking an earlier version of the crime scene photo. He made a video “proving” that the shots were taken a long ways away from the probable crime scene. He even fooled me on that one.

But now we know that Gray Hughes was wrong once again.

The reason we know he is wrong is because we can see actual flashes right around the area of the pink blotch. Those flashes can only be crime scene investigators photographing the crime scene. All of the flashes are in the same  place, and they are all right next to the pink blotch. In fact, we have one photo with the pink blotch and a flash both in the same still. If anything, we can prove that the pink blotch is exactly in the vicinity of the actual crime scene. This leads us to believe that this is an actual photo  of one of the victims.

We believe that the photos below are actual crime scene photographs. If you find them graphic, please do not view them, but honestly there’s not much to see other than what looks like an outline of a human body with next to no details visible.

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Original from 18:14 in the video, zoomed, with filters.

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Same photo with a warmer filter. Notice the red object and the flash of the crime scene investigator’s camera to the lower right of it.

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Our graphics editor’s finger pointing out the flash of the detective’s camera to the lower right of the pink object.

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Our graphics worker’s finger pointing out the circled object on the left (Abby Williams’ body). The circled object to the right is the flash of a detective’s camera.

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An extreme close up of what appears to be Abby Williams’ body from the crime scene. The red object is her red blouse pulled over her head. You can see what appear to be two arms extending from the upper body. You can also see what look like two legs in the lower body. The left leg is bent at the knee. The unfortunate “devil’s horns” effect produced on Abby’s head is caused by the flash of the camera reflecting off a nearby tree projected onto her covered head.

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Crime scene photo with filters added. Some things are harder to see, but the legs and even feet show up very well in this image.

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Probably the best crime scene photo of all, with added filters. You can see that the detective photographing the body is right to the right of Abby’s waist from our POV. The legs, arms, blouse, and camera flash all show up very well in this photo.

New Information!

We have a lot of new information in this post that has hardly been released anywhere, and most people have never heard of any of this, so it should be interesting to a lot of people.

More on the Vehicle of Interest in the Case!

In tbe last post on August 30, we showed you photographs of a possible VOI (Vehicle of Interest) in the case. In the interim, we have been beaten to Hell over this. There have been many calls for the owner of this vehicle to sue the website for libel, etc. The problem is that the owner of the vehicle is a rental car agency!

The VOI in the crime is said to be a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. A vehicle matching this description was seen at the trailhead by a witness at 3 PM on February 13, which was exactly the time that this crime was occurring. We will call this vehicle Vehicle 2, the VOI in the case.

Although we do not know this is the VOI, we believe it is. There is a record of a woman reporting the vehicle, and it has long been rumored to be the VOI in the case. According to the rumors, all vehicles at the crime scene except for this one and possibly a maroon car have been located by LE and cleared. So although we are basing our analysis on widespread rumors that this is the VOI in the case, it’s important to note that this has not yet been proven.

In addition, a white late model Dodge Dart was also seen seven miles south of Delphi at a woman’s home on the morning of the crime at about 8 AM. The woman was suspicious of the man, so she took several photographs of the vehicle. A photo from this sequence is below. We will call this vehicle Vehicle 1, the vehicle photographed that morning in Delphi.

White Dart with license #

Photo taken in the early AM seven miles south of Delphi, Indiana on 2-13-17, eight hours before the Delphi murders occurred in that same town. This white late model white Dodge Dart matches the description of the possible VOI at the crime scene, with one exception. This vehicle has normal license plates, and the VOI had paper drive-off plates. Also the two vehicles had different license numbers. The license # is written on the photo.

We have five photos of this car. This is only one of them. All photos show the vehicle and an unknown man next to the car. All photos are quite similar.

We spent a lot of time investigating this vehicle, since we had its license number. One of our sleuths has somehow learned how to do skip-tracing. I thought only the police knew how to do this, but apparently some private investigators know how to do it too. Although it took her months, she was able to do a skip trace on the license number and the vehicle above.

First of all, it is important to note the differences between the two otherwise identical vehicles. The vehicle seen seven miles south of Delphi had normal license plates on it. The VOI at the crime scene had paper drive-off plates on it. Each plate had a different license number, although the vehicles were otherwise identical. However, our sleuth was somehow able to discover the license number on the paper plates of the VOI. How she figured this out, I have no idea. So we now have the license number of the VOI in the case.

The license number of Vehicle 1 seen seven miles south of Delphi that morning was traced by our skip tracer. She traced it back to a white late model Dodge Dart on a rental car lot, so the vehicle in the photo is a rental. She also learned the name of the man who had rented out the vehicle in the photo that day. To our stunned surprise, the man who rented out Vehicle 1 is a known suspect in the Delphi Murders! Now we do not know that the man in the photo is the same man as the suspect who rented the car that day. There are problems with the description. However, I believe that the man in the photo is indeed the suspect who rented that vehicle that day. We were not able to obtain the name of the rental car agency because the sleuth would not give it to us.

Now this is fantastic information, as it places a known suspect via a photograph near Delphi on the morning of the murders driving a vehicle that exactly resembles the VOI in the crime! However, here is where we run into problems.

Somehow the sleuth obtained the license number of the VOI with the paper plates seen at the scene that day. These paper drive-off plates went back to a late model white Dodge Dart on a dealership lot. We were not able to get any more information from the sleuth regarding the name of the dealership, whether the car had been sold or not, etc.

Here is where the problem is.

According to the sleuth, since the two license plates do not match, we are talking about two different vehicles. In other words, there were two late model white Dodge Darts in Delphi that day, each with a different license plate. Although this seems hard to believe, this is exactly where the evidence leads us. The sleuth feels that the suspect is ruled out because the plate on the vehicle he rented that day does not match the plate on the vehicle at the crime scene. Further, one set was real plates and the other set was paper plates.

This would indeed seem to rule out the suspect, except for one thing.

How about a theory?

This theory suggests that the author of this crime is extremely crafty, nearly a master criminal who planned this crime perfectly.

According to this theory, the man in the photo above is indeed our suspect, and he did indeed rent the vehicle in the photo that day. However, he was also very, very smart. He knew he was going to rent a white late model Dodge Dart that day. So he went to a dealership and found another late model Dodge Dart and stole the paper plates off of it. On the day of the crime, he rented the car in the photo above, but he also carried the paper plates. So in that photo above, he would have the paper plates on him somewhere in that vehicle.

Just before the crime, he switched out the plates on the car, replacing the rental plates with the paper drive-off plates.

Paper plates are hard to remember because they have 10 letters, so some criminals prefer them for crimes. They put the paper plates on to do the crime and then discard them after the crime is done. We have been told that meth dealers in the area use rental cars and paper plates in exactly this same manner.

The suspect then committed the crime using the paper plates so he could not be linked to the VOI at the crime scene. Our sleuth felt that the suspect did not do this because she thought he was not smart enough. However, I believe the man who did this crime was a master criminal, and I also believe that the suspect above is indeed crafty enough to do something like that.

So there you have it. A suspect has been linked to a car matching the VOI at the scene, but crucially, the license plates do not match, so legally he cannot be linked to the VOI at the crime scene. If the suspect did this, it was brilliant thinking.

I do not know who did this crime. At one time I thought I did, but now I am not sure. Of course I have a favorite suspect, but I don’t know if he did the crime or not.

More New Information!

We have just received a lot of new information about the witnesses in this case.

There were at least five people who saw Bridge Man at the scene that day. Two of them were men in their 20’s, and one was an older woman.

Bridge Man was seen on the trail at 2 PM heading towards the bridge and again at 3:15 leaving the area, heading towards Freedom Bridge, which is where he seems to have parked his car. Freedom Bridge over Highway 25 gives you access to the Monon High Trail.

In both cases, witnesses said that Bridge Man’s face was obscured by a white scarf!

You would think that when he was seen at 3:15, he would have been covered with blood. At the very least, his jeans should have been wet because he definitely waded that creek with the girls six minutes after they were abducted. But we heard nothing from the witnesses indicating that his clothes were wet or bloody.

The witness named Cheyenne was at the bridge at 3 PM. There have been many questions about her, with some suggesting that she was in on the crime and others wondering why she didn’t hear anything. She sent us a very nasty email, but aside from that, she has cooperated with LE from the very start. Also, if she was there at 3 PM, the crime was just about over by that point, as the girls were first abducted at ~2:20 PM and the crime was probably over by 3 PM. I do not believe that this Cheyenne had anything to do with this crime.

Derrick German, Libby’s father, arrived at the scene at 3:12 and began calling the girls. At that time, Bridge Man would have been almost to his vehicle, and the crime would have been over by at least 12 minutes. I do not believe that Derrick German had anything to do with this crime.

There is a new report that LE has a suspect in this crime, and they also have a motive. I have heard who the suspect is, and I also heard the motive. I do not believe that this man had anything to do with this crime, and I doubt this motive, as I believe it is premised on a falsehood.

There is a new rumor that based on the voices on the tape, LE is looking at three suspects in these murders. I have no idea if this rumor is true or not, as I have no idea if there was one or more than one perpetrator of this crime. There seems to be good evidence for both a single actor and more than one killer, but they cannot both be true. So I am uncertain if there was one killer or more than one.

There is a rumor that Libby was disemboweled. Fortunately, I can now confirm that this is absolutely not true.

There has long been a rumor that the girls were impaled with stakes or bunches of sticks. A couple of the sources of these rumors were very good. However, based on new information, we do not believe that the girls were impaled with stakes or branches unless these wooden objects were removed from their bodies soon after the crime, which I find dubious. Right now, we think that it is probably quite unlikely that the girls were impaled with sticks. Well, that’s good!

We have been bashed to Hell and back over a rumor stemming from the very earliest days that one of the girls was pregnant. There were also theories that said that this pregnancy was a reason for the crimes. We abandoned the theory about a hillbilly abortion performed in the Mears barn a long time ago. Also it is absolutely not true that the Mears have been put through Hell due to the barn theory, and we have never accused them of being involved in this crime. These are just two of the lies that people are telling about us. While there was good reason to believe that the barn was involved, that theory looks dead now. We are still getting bashed to Hell and back over the barn and abortion theory, even though we junked it many months ago.

Anyway, I am very happy to report that we can finally apparently falsify the pregnancy rumors. We have been desperately trying to falsify this theory for months now, but no one would come forward and falsify it. For the record, we have been reporting this rumor as “unproven” for many months now, but the haters just keep bashing away regardless. Via Becky Patty, who I thank very much, we can now finally report that apparently neither girl was pregnant. Now how Becky knows this, I have no idea. But for now, I think we should take her word for it.

Just in time, soon after we falsified the pregnancy theory, it sprung up again among locals, this time much more elaborated. This goes to show you that this theory never came from us in the first place. This was simply a very hot theory that was zipping around the area, and we reported it. Of course we didn’t make it up. Now you see that even after we abandoned it, it starts right back up again, so that shows you we have no control over it. I am not even going to give you the details about the new pregnancy theory or who it involves. For right now, I think I will defer to Becky Patty’s denial and report this new pregnancy rumor as apparently a false rumor.

We have some superb sources now, and we are working very hard on solving this pregnancy theory definitively one way or another once and for all.

We long since abandoned a theory that the girls were transported in a vehicle. We are still getting bashed to high heaven for this theory, even though we trashed it months ago.

Becky Patty has debunked several rumors for us, and we thank her so much for that. These rumors are:

  • The girls had a letter, possibly the letter K, carved on them. Not true.
  • The girls had a small amount of change stolen from them. Not true.
  • The girls had some jewelry stolen from them. Not true.
  • A backpack was stolen from Abby. Not true.
  • The girls were sexually assaulted or raped. Apparently not true.
  • The girls’ fingernails were torn off. Not true.
  • Libby sent a text message to Mike Patty at some point around the time of the crime. Not true.

New Theories!

We also have some new theories about the crime.

One theory is about how this horrible crime was committed, along with girls screaming, and no one heard the noise, even though there were a few people in the area at the time.

Via one of our excellent sleuths:

I’ll preface this by saying I believe the girls were killed where they were found and BG left via the cemetery.

I studied the topographical map of Deer Creek as J. suggested, Thanks J.!

The area where the girls were found is more or less within a steep valley with cliffs, about 80’ from creek to top. Sound travels outward in waves from its origin. Much of surrounding cliffs were covered with barren trees, undergrowth, deadfall, and soil -all pretty good sound-absorbing materials. The openings where the sound could escape are straight up, to the east through the creek valley or to the west around a bend toward the bridge. That day the wind was coming from the WSW at between 7 and 21 mph. When the wind gusts, Deer Creek Valley becomes a wind tunnel from W to E impeding the scream waves, pushing them east away from the bridge and away from any witnesses.

This is something an experienced hunter might know, or something a operator would learn in Special Forces School. BG is a hunter-killer who knows this land like the back of his bloody hand.

Another theory revolves around the catfishing theory. Although initially we thought that the girls were catfished, we dropped that theory down to unproven not long afterwards which is where it remains. Nevertheless we are still getting bashed to Hell and back for supposedly promoting the catfishing theory.

There is some evidence for the catfishing theory – for instance, in the first few days after the crime, family members were openly wondering if the girls were catfished.

A detective made a remark that families should watch what their children are doing on social media.

And a source reported that his friend, a Delphi police officer, told him that the girls were definitely catfished. Nevertheless, second hand reports from LE to us have gone belly up a number of times in the past, so this hearsay is not probative. It’s interesting but not probative.

There are many serious problems with the catfishing  theory, mostly that a digital trail might well have been left behind. Excellent rejoinders to the catfishing theory can be found on the Delphi Murders Reddit and other places. We regard these rejoinders as excellent evidence against the catfishing theory.

Nevertheless, there is another theory that accommodates the catfishing  theory well without being precisely a catfishing theory. This implies that the killer watched the girls’ digital footsteps and planned his crime knowing what they were up to that day.

One theory here is that the girls were geocaching. As a matter of fact, we have uncovered evidence proving that both girls were geocaching all around the area in the few days before the crime.

At least Libby German was an avid geocacher, and Abby may have been a geocaching fan herself. And most spectacularly of all, we believe that the girls were geocaching when this crime took place. We believe this because they had been geocaching all around the area at the time, and there was in fact a geocache by the Monon High Bridge on the day of the crime! Even more spectacularly, the geocache was located right off the end of the south end of the bridge, which is  precisely where the girls were abducted. Now how the killer figured out that the girls were geocaching that day, if he did at all, we do not know. However, we think that LE should look into the geocaching angle of this crime.

People are wondering what my opinion of Daniel Nations is. I do not believe that he was involved in this crime. I never believed that. However, some of our sleuths still believe that he did it.

Clearing up Endless Lies about This Site

 

We have been accused of peddling theories that we abandoned long ago.

  • The pregnancy and catfishing theories were relegated to unproven many months ago.
  • We never accused any family members of the girls or their boyfriends of anything.
  • The hillbilly abortion theory was dropped long ago.
  • The Mears Barn theory has been dead forever now.
  • The theory that a second car was used to transport the girls was dropped a long time ago.

Another lie going around about us is that we started a rumor about Ivan Brumbaugh finding the bodies and contaminating them with his DNA. We never started any such rumor, and I never believed the Ivan Brumbaugh theory, though a lot of people on my site did. That theory was started by a major suspect in this case, in my opinion to throw the scent off of himself and onto someone else by framing Ivan, who was one of his old enemies.

There is a huge lie going around about us that says that the families have told us to stop our speculation and theorizing. We have sleuths who personally know custodial family members, and they told us that these family members have nothing against this site at all. In addition, an extended family member of one of the girls was a paying member of the site for a time. Our sleuths who know family members told us that the families don’t seem to care much about this site one way or the other.

There is a similar lie going around that we are “interfering with the investigation,” and police have told us to stop. This is based on a misunderstanding of what police have said many times. Police have said that they have only released tiny bits of evidence so as not to interfere with the investigation or to preserve the integrity of the investigation. This means that police would be screwing up their own investigation by releasing too much data about the crime. It makes it hard to weed out false confessions (we have already had two in this case so far), and it makes it hard for the defendant to get a fair trial.

When LE talk about this, they are talking only about themselves, not about citizens. Believe it or not, citizens can write, talk, or speculate about unsolved crimes to their heart’s content. The police can’t do anything about it, and honestly they don’t care what citizens are speculating about the crimes. So it is literally not possible to “interfere with an investigation.” Furthermore, there is no such crime as “interfering with an investigation” that I am aware of.

The police in this case simply said that they were concerned mostly about Facebook groups who kept putting up the Bridge Man composite next to photos of local citizens. Police were concerned that these promiscuous accusations could lead to the people doing it getting sued for libel or defamation.

Police were also irked about some the tips they were getting because a lot of the tips were bad and not even credible. They simply said that getting a lot of noncredible tips is a waste of police resources.

There is an accusation that all of the speculation being done on this site and others “muddies the waters” and confuses the case for investigators. This is a misunderstanding of the LE complaint about non-credible tips being called in. It also implies that police read this site and that somehow our theories confuse the police. This is an underestimation of LE. Yes, they do read here, but they have their own theories, and our speculation certainly does not negatively impact their theories in any way.

Also one would think that if LE was so upset with this site, they would just tell us. I have spoken to detectives several times regarding this case. They requested and were granted access to our private forums a few times. LE never told me even once that they were upset by our theorizing on the case. On the contrary, at least one detective was very gracious for the huge amount of data and photos we gave him.

The Actual Murders

Rumors

The following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed. Most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. However, the rumors in italics are apparently true to the best of our knowledge:

Probably or Fully True Rumors

Both girls were disrobed. One girl was naked, and her top half was covered with leaves.  Another girl was also naked with her top pulled over her head. Most of the girls’ clothing was found in the creek.

Both girls had dirt under the nails. One girl also had blood under her nails. The other girl’s nails were badly torn up.

Police believe that one girl had 4-5 chances to escape, but did not flee because she was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster. In real life, they were inseparable.

One girl had her throat slit. Her throat was so badly cut that she was nearly decapitated.

One girl had a knife wound to the heart and another wound to the jugular vein in her throat.

A large knife with a gut hook was somehow used in this crime. After the crime happened, LE were asking around at local hardware stores if anyone had bought a large knife with a gut hook recently. They asked this at the CVS near the bridge. There are two possibilities here. One is that a knife like this was used on the girls, and LE were able to determine this by looking at the nature of the wounds. The other possibility is that the killer used this knife in the crime and then left it at the scene for whatever reason. At the moment, we favor the theory that the knife was left at the scene by killer, but there’s no hard evidence one way or the other.

Uncertain but Plausible Rumors

At some point, at least one of the girls was stricken with the blunt end of a gun.

At least one of the girls had the back of her head badly bashed in with a heavy object, possibly a rock.

The killer used some sort of strong chemical to try to destroy any of his DNA left at the scene.

The girls were “posed” in the crime scene.

The Bridge Man: What Is Known and What Is Theorized

The Bridge Man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town. See below for some evidence backing that up.

The Bridge Man is a fisherman. See below for the knife kit he is carrying on his left leg.

The Bridge Man is definitely lefthanded. See below for evidence that the positioning of the gun he is carrying means that he is lefthanded.

The Bridge Man is bowlegged. This can be observed from the photos.

The Bridge Man is duck-footed; that is, his feet go outward when he walks. This can be observed from the photos.

The Bridge Man has an injury to his left knee. One theory is that based on the way he is walking, he has suffered a medial plateau fracture of the knee joint. He also seems to have some arthritis of that knee. This theory also states that the Bridge Man has had an operation to repair the damaged knee, or tibia actually, as it is technically Bridge Man’s tibia that is broken. The theory goes on to state that he has had an operation to repair the knee. This operation is called an ORIF – an Open Reduction Internal Fixation. If this is true, then Bridge Man probably had a plate and a few screws in his knee. He would also have a long jagged scar on his left knee.

The Bridge Man is 50-55 years old. Our theory based on his appearance in the photos.

The Bridge Man is 5’8-5’10 and weighs 170-190 pounds. The height is based on LE estimates. The weight is based on LE estimates but we have revised their estimate 10 pounds downward. Weight is much harder than height to estimate.

The Bridge Man appears to be in good shape for his age based on the way he easily navigates the rickety, frightening bridge. Self-evident.

The Bridge Man smokes and is smoking during the crime. He may also smoke cigarillos, as a cigarillo wrapper was found at the scene. See below for the blowup of Bridge Man’s face showing that he has a cigarette in his lips and that there is a cloud of smoke emanating from the left side of his face.

More about the Man on the Bridge

The fanny pack that the Bridge Man is wearing is actually wearing what is called a deer kit. Your typical deer kit on sale on the Internet contained five different types of knives. These knives are to be used by hunters in cutting up and dressing the deer that they kill. The Bridge Man’s deer kit is probably like a typical one in that no doubt it contained different knives, probably the five different types of knives found in a typical deer kit. Additional evidence comes from police looking for a man who bought a knife with a gut hook. All deer kits normally contain a gut hook knife as one of the knives in the kit. I think it is obvious that he intended to use those knives to cut the girls. Indeed, the girls are thought to have suffered numerous knife wounds.

One of our theories is that the deer pack is a homemade one made by the local Amish. We located a man in Wisconsin who identified the pack as a deer kit and said he had one that looked exactly like it. Curiously, he said it had been made by local Mennonites in Wisconsin, a German Protestant group similar to the Amish.

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The fanny pack. We now believe that this is something called a deer kit. These kits are used by hunters to cut up their deer, and a gut hook knife is indeed one of those knives. Another is called a caping knife. They usually contain five different types of knives. We believe that BG may well have up to five different types of knives in that deer kit.

Bridge Man clearly has a gun in his jacket. See below for an elaboration of that. One theory is that the gun may be secured in a left-handed gun holster strapped to his right side.

One theory is that the holster resembles the one below and that it was an antique holster, homemade by local Amish.

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If the Bridge Man is using a gun holster, one theory is that it is an antique homemade one made by the local Amish.

We know the Bridge Man is left-handed because of the gun that he is carrying is in such a position that would only be used if he were lefthanded.

We know the Bridge Man has a gun on him, as it can clearly be seen in outline under his jacket.

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Click to enlarge. Photo clearly shows a semiautomatic handgun holstered on his right, which means he is lefthanded. That object can only be a gun.

We have a couple of theories about the gun he is carrying. Originally we thought that the gun was an M1911 early model, pre-1986, possibly purchased from the local Amish, as they have a lot of these for sale. However, the shape is completely wrong for that type of gun. Notice the large bulbous protrusion on the rear of the pistol. That cannot possibly be an M1911.

Instead, one theory is that that is a High Point Firearms Model 34510. This is a very cheap firearm, a “Saturday night special.” They sell for as low as $200 brand new.

Another theory is that it is a similar type of gun that is known for being extremely lightweight.

Our second theory is that the gun may have been stolen from Ron Logan. Ron had a huge gun collection, and there was a big break-in at his house in December where many guns were stolen. A young drug-involved woman who was staying with him at the time was thought to be involved. Admittedly we do not have much evidence for this theory other than a statement from a suspect.

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Here is the rectangular object under BG’s left jeans leg. It is in light blue. The red circle is around some unknown object.

Next let us look at the strange object strapped to Bridge Man’s left leg. We now believe that this is a knife kit with three fisherman’s fillet knives in it. This leads us to believe that the Bridge Man is an outdoorsman – a fisherman, hunter or both – due to the fishing knives and the deer kit. Also, assuming the deer kit has five knives in it, this means that  Bridge Man brought eight knives with him to do this crime.

One of our sleuths asked at work, and a woman at work said she thought the strange object was something called a “net fishing bag” that fishermen sometimes use. She had one herself. But we still needed to explain the rectangular object that the net fishing bag theory did not explain it well.

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This is a net fishing bag. We believe that this is part of the object that appears rectangular under BG’s jeans.

When we rotated the object, we found that we could see both the net fishing bag and inside of it, what looks like a knife kit. Inside the knife kit, we believe there are three fishing knives. To us they look like fillet knives. So Bridge Man brought this knife kit with him to do this crime.

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This is the rectangular object, enhanced and rotated to the lect. Now we can not only see that the object is not really rectangular but is instead more bag shaped.

The photo below shoes some of the type of knives that may be inside of this knife kit.

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Knife case with three knives in it. We believe that a similar case is the rectangular object. If the knives are well secured in that case, then he will not get cut by the knives, which is the standard argument against the knife kit theory.

Next we will move onto the Bridge Man’s boots. First of all, we believe he is wearing boots and not sneakers or tennis shoes. The boots are black. Notice the white stripe going all around the boots?

Now look closely at the boots below. Several days after the crime, LE released this photo of these boots in an evidence bag. Then they said that the boots had nothing to do with the crime, but LE always says things like that. A couple of days before, Indiana State Police had raided Indiana Packers. The stated reason was a bomb threat, but we believe there was no bomb threat. Instead that was just an excuse to shut down the plant and raid the police. After LE were done with the raid, they walked away with a pair of Indiana Packers workboots.

A few days later, a photo of these IP boots was released innocently to the media, however, they were in an evidence bag. Obviously LE felt that these were the model of boots that the Bridge Man was wearing. When we blow up the Bridge Man’s boots, we see now that his black boots with the white stripe all around them are an excellent match for the IP boots in the evidence bag.

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Here is a side by side comparison of the Bridge Man’s boots and the Indiana Packers boots seized by LE during a raid, placed in an evidence bag, and released to the media. Based on the LE theory that the Bridge Man is wearing Indiana Packers work boots, a good theory is that he is either a current or former worker at Indiana Packers.

New Information – Bridge Man is Smoking a Cigarette!

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Blowup found on the Net that appears to show the Bridge Man smoking. And compare that massive nose to the rather normal nose on the sketch. No comparison, right? Ok, so explain.

The photo above showing the Bridge Man with a cigarette in his mouth and a smoke cloud on the left side of his face was originally said to be a Photoshopped fake. However, we looked into the matter further and spoke to the woman who was there when this photo was created. Based on our discussion with her, there is no way that this photo is faked, and that cigarette is either an artifact, or it is a real cigarette in his mouth. Looking at the smoke coming up from the left side of his face and the fact that a cigarillo wrapper was found at the scene, I believe that the photo above shows Bridge Man smoking a cigarette or cigarillo with a cloud of smoke rising on the left side of his face.

Also note the huge nose on the blown up photo. Notice how Bridge Man in the sketch does not have a huge nose at all.

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Composite photo of the Delphi Killer suspect. Where’s the huge nose?

I have been ridiculed to Hell and back for thinking that the Bridge Man is wearing a fake nose. Right now it appears that I am the only person who believes this, and no one agrees with me. I would say that that makes my theory a bit dubious. Nevertheless, those who say he has no fake nose must explain why his nose is so huge in the photo, and why the nose on the photos does not match up with the nose on the sketch. It’s either a fake nose, or it’s some photographic artifact, and his nose is not really huge like that.

We are now working on a rather wild theory that the Bridge Man was elaborately disguised on that day. We have been working a lot with a graphic artist on Bridge Man’s face, and she thinks he may be wearing a mask because his face has no contrast on it at all. According to her, this is only possible if he is wearing a mask. If he is wearing a mask, then a fake nose is certainly not out of the question.

Keep in mind that this is just a theory we are working on right now, and at the moment, we don’t know if he has a mask or a fake nose.

Motivation

The motivation for this crime is hard to figure out, but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers. Although there is no evidence yet that the Bridge Man has killed other people beyond this crime, he certainly may have. Hence we believe the Bridge Man is a “serial killer type” instead of a serial killer. In that case, the motivation for the crime is that of a sexually sadistic psychopathic serial type killer.

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New Delphi Murders Post Published

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All of you who are not members, you don’t know what you are missing. $20 is not pocket change, but it might be worth it if you want to join the best Delphi Murders site on the Net bar none. Not only that, but you get to be part of a 200-member sleuthing team that is probably one of the best teams on the Internet. I know we are better than the Delphi Murders Reddit. That’s pathetic. Web Sleuths is pitiful. There are a lot of good folks on there, but they are weighed down with idiotic rules and an insane moderator. Topix is an insane asylum from Hell best avoided by anyone with any sense. There are some good people on the Unexplained Mysteries Reddit – far better than the pathetic Delphi Murders Reddit – but I do not think they are as good as we are on the Delphi Murders if only because we have spent vastly more time and energy on it.

And yes, LE does read here. I have talked to a few detectives working on this case, and they all told me they read here. I recently talked to a detective working the Evansdale murders, and I was stunned when he told me that he reads here too! LE asked for access to our private site, and they were given access. All of our material, assuming it’s worthwhile, gets turned into to LE at some point, usually sooner rather than later. I have no idea the use LE has made of this site, but I believe that at least so far, we have been quite helpful to the case. And no, I can’t tell you how I know that because that gets into internals of the investigation.

Haters say no one even posts or reads here, but there have been ~5,000-10,000 comments so far. East post has 1-2,000 comments on it. The last post had to be shut down at ~2,700 comments. There are scores to possibly hundreds of photos that have been uploaded. It’s a treasure trove.

The haters say that this forum is a place where idiots plunk down money to listen to me, an insane person, ramble on about all of my insane theories and ideas. Truth is that I don’t even post that much!

Mostly it is simply a forum not unlike the Delphi or Unexplained Mysteries Reddits or even Websleuths. There are about 200 members on there. A subset of that group posts regularly about their theories about the case. They link to photos, personal information, court cases, newspaper stories, social media posts, etc. It’s just a group of people posting and trying to solve this particular murder case. They mostly work on their own, as I don’t even post that much! Yes, I have my own theory or theories, but I also post photos and information having to do with other people’s theories that I don’t even believe in. And most people do not post on my theory – instead most posting lately has been on the theories of others.

This form is sort of like Websleuths without the idiocy and Admin Nazis or the Delphi Reddit with a lot more manners and sense and a Hell of a lot more good information.

Most people are on there because they want a safe space to sleuth where they don’t have to worry about insults, fights, attacks, doxxing, threats, trolls, stalkers, spies, etc. Also they don’t have to worry about libel suits because it’s a closed forum, so it’s like we are talking behind a locked door in someone’s house. It’s not libel if no one can hear you.

For information on the new changes to the private Delphi Murders and Other Crimes Forums and how to join them, see here.

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Bigfoots Shot At, Shot and Wounded, or Shot Dead by Humans in North America, 1829-2006

Note: Long, runs to 61 pages.

This is a list of reported incidents of humans shooting and/or killing Bigfoots from 1829 to the present day.

This post needs a bit of updating with the Justin Smeja’s Sierra Kills and Rick Dyer’s Shooting Bigfoot incident.

Obviously, none of these claims below have panned out yet, but it is pretty amazing that for a creature that supposedly does not exist, we have so many excellent shooting stories, often from otherwise credible, ordinary, day to day folks who have never been known to make things up or lie.

This is a good research piece, and nonprofit websites are free to repost it. Feel free to comment if you any new cases or if you can provide more information to any of the cases below.

Bigfoots Shot At, Shot and Wounded, or Shot Dead by Humans

Unknown date: Klakas Inlet, Southern Alaska. In far southern Alaska on Prince of Wales Island, a Bigfoot was shot and buried at the mouth of a stream on the north side of the inlet. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Unknown date: Sonora, Mexico. Rich Grumley reported that a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then buried it.

Unknown date: Desoto, Louisiana. A man’s dogs were fighting with a Bigfoot. The man then shot the Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Unknown date: Lewis, Washington. A sheriff shot at a Bigfoot in a pasture. The Bigfoot tore down a fence while escaping. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Unknown date: Skamania, Washington. A Bigfoot threw a rock at a truck. The truck driver then fired on the Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Date unknown, modern era: Location unknown. A wealthy hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then paid a taxidermist to stuff it, and the specimen was put on display in a ritzy country club on the East Coast. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Yankton, Oregon. Near the Columbia River north of Portland, a hunter shot a Bigfoot four times between the eyes and killed it. It rolled off the road. The man came back 24 hours later, and the body was gone. There was a set of three tracks, possibly a family group – a male, a female and a juvenile. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era, Amboy, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, a hunter reported that he shot and killed a male Bigfoot on an old logging road. Upon hearing that there was a $10,000 fine for killing a Bigfoot, the hunter hung up the phone on the researcher. Reported by Ray Crowe.

Unknown date, modern era: Pound, Virginia. Someone shot at a Bigfoot roaring outside his home at midnight with a 12 gauge shotgun. The shot missed. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

June 20, 1829: Okefenokee Swamp, Georgia. A team of hunters set out in an attempt to track down and kill a Bigfoot in the swamp. After tracking for two weeks, they were set upon by the Bigfoot one night. The men opened up with all their guns, but it seemed useless. Five of the men were killed by the Bigfoot, who then tore all of the men’s heads off. The surviving men opened up on the Bigfoot, finally killing it. Reported by Augusta Chronicle, March 12, 2000 – “Hunters Told of Swamp Creature’s Attack.”

Mid to late 1800’s: Bexar, Texas. The Legend of the Converse Werewolf. A rancher sent his 15-year-old son into the woods to hunt and told him not to come back until he had killed a deer. The boy never came back. People went searching for him and found the boy’s dead and mutilated body. A Bigfoot was standing over it. The rancher fired a shot and chased the Bigfoot into the woods. The others in the search party reported that the rancher never made it back alive, apparently also killed by the Bigfoot. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1856: Ohio or West Virginia. Possible Bigfoot skeleton found with bullet holes in its skull. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Late 1800’s: Winston, Alabama. A moonshiner shot a Bigfoot that was following his mule wagon.

October 1879: Williamstown, Vermont. Two men hunting in the woods were surprised by a Bigfoot. One shot and wounded it. The Bigfoot chased them out of the woods. Reported by the New York Times, October 18, 1879.

1882: Inyo, California. A man, Jack Ferral, shot a Bigfoot five times. Reported by the Inyo Register, March 19, 1981 referring to articles in the Bishop Creek Times of 1882, noted in the Bigfoot Co-op April 1981, p.2.

July 4, 1884: East of Yale, British Columbia. In the Fraser River Region, railroad men working on a British Colombia Express Company’s train stopped their train when they saw what appeared to be someone sleeping near the tracks. After they stopped the train, a juvenile male Bigfoot woke up, barked and started to climb up a steep bluff. The workers decided to chase him. One got up above him on the slope and dropped a rock on the Bigfoot. It disoriented the Bigfoot enough that the men were able to get a rope around him, capture him and put him on the train.

They named the Bigfoot “Jacko.” Jacko had bruises on his head and upper body, and they assumed that he had gotten too near the edge of the bluff and had fallen over and landed, stunned, near the tracks. Jacko had been seen in the area where he was captured recently, but residents thought he was either a bear or a stray Indian dog.

Jacko was 4’7, weighed 127 pounds, and was covered with shiny black hair. He was extremely strong. Jacko did not communicate other than making half-bark, half-growl sounds. He was fed berries and milk.

There are conflicting reports on what happened to Jacko. Some reports said he was taken into Yale where a man made a pet of him. Other reports said that Jacko escaped from the train before it got to Yale.

There are other reports that say this whole matter was a hoax, but I believe it was true. For one thing, John Green received a letter from Adele Bastin, whose mother remembered that people continued to talk of Jacko long afterward. Reported by The Colonist of Victoria, British Colombia, July 4, 1884. The best analysis of this incident was by Myra Shackley.

There are reports that soon after Jacko was captured, a Bigfoot matching Jacko’s description was shot and killed in the same general area by a group of men, so the story about him escaping from the train before it got to Yale may be the correct version. Famous story.

June 1885: Watauga County, North Carolina. Northwest of Seven Devils, NC. Roughly 15 to 20 miles northwest of Grandfather Mountain. A 13-year-old Cherokee girl went to gather food along a creek. Then she heard gunshots. She hid under a bush because at that time it was dangerous for an Indian girl to be caught in the woods by a White man. She heard someone running down the hill.

As something ran past her, to her surprise she noted that it was a male Bigfoot. It seemed to have been wounded by the shots. The Bigfoot went down to the creek and buried itself in a pile of leaves, sticks, dirt and debris to the point where it was invisible. Then she heard the sounds of more people coming. She thought it was the White men, so she left. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

1890: Brookings, Oregon. Two men shot and wounded a Bigfoot. The Bigfoot retaliated, slamming the men against trees and tearing them apart, killing them. Reported by the Bigfoot Track Record.

1900: Prince of Wales Island, Alaska. The Eskimo came out of the forest onto the beach and was met face to face with a Bigfoot. He opened fire and killed the Bigfoot. He and two other Eskimos then buried the Bigfoot on the beach. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1904: Lane, Oregon. On two separate occasions, men shot at Bigfoots that were prowling around their cabins. The shots missed the Bigfoots on both occasions. In one case, the Bigfoot threw a rock at the man who shot at it. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

1905: Gardner Canal, British Columbia. On the coast of central British Columbia, a Bigfoot was shot and killed, but there are no further details. Reported on the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club website.

Summer 1917: Cass, Texas. A family coming home at night in a mule driven wagon was alerted by a screaming, advancing Bigfoot. The man shot at the Bigfoot, missed, and it ran away. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1917: Nowata, Oklahoma. Men shot at a Bigfoot that had gotten trapped inside of a barn. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1920’s: Walla Walla, Washington. Hunters shot and wounded a Bigfoot, but the Bigfoot ran away. A second Bigfoot appeared and threw boulders at the hunters. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1920’s-1930’s: Lake, California. A man hunted red-haired wildmen that lived in caves above a lake. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1921: Terrebonne, Louisiana. Hunters killed a Bigfoot and dumped the body in an old well. Later a skeleton was found and taken to Tulane University, where it disappeared. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1924: Deschutes, Oregon. A prospector shot a Bigfoot five times, but the Bigfoot was only wounded and ran away. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1924: Ape Canyon, Washington. Near Mt. St. Helens, miners Marion Smith, Roy Smith, Fred Beck, Gabe Lefever and John Peterson, shot and killed a Bigfoot, which fell off a cliff into a river below. Other Bigfoots retaliated and bombarded their cabin with rocks. Famous story. Reported by Fred Beck.

1928: South Bentinck Arm, near Bella Coola, British Columbia. On the coast of central British Columbia, George Talleo shot and killed a Bigfoot. He left the scene and did not come back. Reported by the Sasquatch-BC website.

1930: Kwaltwa Kitasu Bay, Swindle Island, British Columbia. Tom Brown saw a Bigfoot in the shallows at night. He shot at it, and it screamed. He went back the next day, but there was no body. Reported by John Green.

After 1937: Green River, Washington. In the Cascades east of Tacoma, a hunter saw a bear grubbing in a log and shot and killed it. It turned out he had killed a Bigfoot. Feeling that he had shot a “hairy man” (a human being), he buried it under a pile of rocks and never told anyone until he confessed on his deathbed. Reported by Datus Perry.

1940’s: Yukon Territory. An man saw a 10-foot Bigfoot and shot at it with a 30.06. Reported by John Green.

1940: Southeastern Missouri. Jared Sparks killed an apparent Bigfoot (he described it only as “like a gorilla”) that had been killing horses and cattle by tearing them apart. Disposition of body unknown. Reported by John Keel in Strange Creatures.

Fall 1941: Near Basket Lake, Manitoba. A 17-year-old boy, Paul Shebaga, was hunting out of season shot and killed a Bigfoot that he thought was a moose. He left it in the forest because he thought it was human and because he was hunting out of season. He went back sometime later, and the body was gone. Shebaga has since died. Researchers who interviewed him found him a highly credible witness. Reported on BFRO site.

1943: Georgia, near the South Carolina border. A Bigfoot was shot and killed by shotguns, hit with 60 bullets after it was tracked by a group of men because it was killing sheep and calves by tearing off their legs. The reddish-brown Bigfoot was buried on the outskirts of town. Reported by Rich Grumley. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Winter 1943: Clarke, Alabama. Three men spotlighting deer in river bottomlands shot a Bigfoot. The Bigfoot may have died, but they did not stay around long enough to find out. Reported by the Alabama Bigfoot website.

1946: Lebanon, Pennsylvania. A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

June 18, 1948: Franklin County, North Carolina. A Black family hunting in the woods at night shot and wounded a Bigfoot. It screamed, and they all ran away.

1949: Clackamas, Oregon. A man shot a Bigfoot that was eating a turkey. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Fall 1949: Coos, Oregon. A man shot a Bigfoot chewing on a live cow. The Bigfoot was wounded and ran off. Reported by the BFRO site.

Early 1950: Near Boston, Georgia. A man shot at a Bigfoot when his dogs cornered it on a porch. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

1950: Indiana, Pennsylvania. People shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

1951: Thomas, Georgia. A man shot at a Bigfoot next to a porch. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

1953: Alder Creek Canyon, Sandy, Oregon. East of Portland, a hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then buried the body. Reported by Peter Byrne.

1956: Shasta, California. A man may have shot a Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1957: Near Jackson, Tennessee. James M. Meacham shot repeatedly at a Bigfoot with no effect. Ivan T. Sanderson, Abominable Snowmen: Legend Come to Life, pp.122-3.

Late 1950’s: Cambridge Springs, Pennsylvania. A group of young people were sitting in a house waiting for a Bigfoot to come back, as it had been banging on houses earlier in the night. The Bigfoot approached the house and ran away when people shot at it. Reported by Grover Krantz.

1957: Deschutes, Oregon. A hunter shot and killed a deer. A Bigfoot then ran out, grabbed the deer and started to run away with it. The hunter then shot the Bigfoot, but the Bigfoot was only wounded and made off with the deer. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1958-1960: Overton County, Tennessee. A Bigfoot stealing chickens was shot dead by the owner of the chickens. They drove it around the area to see if anyone could identify it. Disposition of body unknown. Reported by Mary Green.

1959: Knoxville, Tennessee. A Bigfoot was shot at when it came near a man’s home. Reported by Mary Green, Fifty Years with Bigfoot: Tennessee Chronicles of Coexistence, p. 192.

1959: Carroll County, Maryland. A police officer shot at a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

October 1959: South of Tenmile, Oregon. A black Bigfoot chased two boys up a hill and across a ridge. One of the boys shot the Bigfoot seven times with a 30.06 shotgun. The Bigfoot slumped down but then picked itself up and kept coming after them. Reported by John Green, The Sasquatch File, p. 19.

Summer 1960’s: Morris, Texas. Two girls sitting on a bed talking at night looked outside and saw a Bigfoot in their yard. They called their grandfather. He came with a rifle and shot the Bigfoot. The Bigfoot roared and ran away. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

Winter 1960’s: Wildwood, California. A Bigfoot was spotted peeking in the windows at a dance held at the inn. A man ran outside to grab his 30.06 rifle from his pickup truck. He shot the Bigfoot, and it screamed and ran off. Men tracked it to the Trinity River where they lost the trail. Reported by Ben Foster, Williamsburg, Indiana.

1960’s: Douglas, Oregon: In the Cascades west of the Umpqua National Forest, a farmer shot a Bigfoot and then somehow managed to take it back to his house, where he left it outside. Other Bigfoots then came that night and retrieved the body. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Winter 1960: Watson Bay, Roderick Island, British Columbia. Timothy Robinson and Samson Duncan shot at a small Bigfoot that they saw on a snow-covered beach. They found blood on the snow where it had been but were too afraid to follow the blood trail. Reported by John Green and Bob Titmus.

October 1963: Smith, Texas. Men hunting coons in the woods at night were alerted when dogs treed an animal. A beagle came running back, badly wounded with its guts hanging out of its body. The men came to the tree, and there was a Bigfoot in the tree with hounds circling around the trunk. The Bigfoot was howling and shaking the tree. One of the men shot the Bigfoot twice with a .22, but the Bigfoot only screamed even louder. The men all became frightened and ran away. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1965: Near Fouke, Arkansas. James Lynn Crabtree, age 14, shot a Bigfoot three times in the face, but the Bigfoot did not die. Reported by BFRO site.

1965: Yakima, Washington. A boy shot a Bigfoot but only wounded it. The Bigfoot then tore the boy apart, crushing his ribcage, and killing him. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1965: Kitimat, British Columbia. On the coast of central British Columbia, a Kitimat man shot and killed a Bigfoot near town. He was trying to drag the body away when other Bigfoots came out and tried to attack him. He barely escaped to his canoe. Reported on the British Colombia Scientific Cryptozoology Club website.

October 1965: Nisqually Hill, near Olympia, Washington. While driving at night, Russell Gels and Dennis Lensgrave saw a white 7-foot Bigfoot in their car headlights and shot at it. The Bigfoot ran away. Reported by The Sunday Olympian, October 24, 1965.

1966: Erie, Pennsylvania. Men shot at a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

January 1966: Wildwood, California. Bob Kelley and Archie Bradshaw saw a Bigfoot looking in their window. One of the men fired his shotgun at the Bigfoot and thought he hit it. The Bigfoot’s tracks were followed down to Hayfork Creek. Reported by the Redding, California Record Searchlight.

May 1966: Spillimacheen, British Columbia. A man watching two Bigfoots have sex while another watched shot at the Bigfoot that was watching the other two but missed. The man was hunting grizzly bears at the time. Reported by the BFRO site.

Summer 1966: Near Richland, Washington: Several boys – Greg Pointer, Roger True, Tom Thompson, Carl and Jim Franklin, John McKnight, Alvin Anderson, Selby Green, Roger Howard, Bob McDonald, and Ron Blackburn – saw an 8-foot whitish-gray Bigfoot and shot at it several times with no effect. Reported by John Green, Roger Patterson and Rene Dahinden.

October 1966: Near Yakima, Washington. Mike Corey’s dog was attacked by a Bigfoot. He shot at it as it ran away. Corey’s dog was later mysteriously killed. Reported by Roger Patterson.

Late 1960’s: Chuska Mountains, New Mexico. Two Navajo shepherds shot a Bigfoot. It ran wounded into a canyon. Two other Bigfoots helped it. Reported by a Mrs. Chessman in John Green, The Sasquatch File.

February 1967: Hartley Bay, British Columbia: Two men saw a Bigfoot on an island and shot it. It screamed and ran away. Reported by Bob Titmus.

May 1967: Wasco, Oregon. Dennis Taylor and his friends often watched Bigfoots crossing the highway near the cemetery while going from the hills to the river, usually around 11:30 PM. Several times they shot at them with various weapons. Once one was hit at close range with buckshot and it fell down. It leaped up and crashed through a barbed wire fence, taking out three fence posts. Reported on the Oregon Bigfoot website.

Fall 1967: Winlock, Washington: A grayish Bigfoot had been seen in a necking spot for high school students. Some high school boys went out with a 30.30 and took a shot at it, but it ran away. Reported by the BFRO site.

Fall 1967: By Chehalis River near Chehalis, Washington. Billy Brown was hunting when he saw an 8-foot tall white Bigfoot. He shot it in the head, and it screamed and ran into a swamp. Reported by Roger Patterson.

December 1967: Teton National Forest near Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Two college students from Marshalltown, Iowa – Lyle Bingaman and Mike Burton – shot and killed a Bigfoot, thinking it was a bear. They were terrified that they had killed a human being and that they would be prosecuted for murder, so they left it where it fell. Reported by Peter Byrne.

1968: North of Carson, Wyoming. Three men were hired by a rancher to kill a Bigfoot that was killing his cows and sheep by tearing off their legs. Afterward, the body was picked up by a government helicopter and taken to a research facility in Alamogordo, New Mexico to be autopsied and studied. Reported by Ray Crowe. Government coverup.

May 1968: Delphi, Indiana: A man and a woman were finishing their breakfast when a 5-foot tall “monkey” (Bigfoot) approached their residence. When the creature was 20 feet away from the door, the man gut-shot the Bigfoot in the stomach. It screamed, held its stomach and ran away. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

Autumn 1968: Point Isabel, Ohio. Larry Abbott, his father, and Arnold Hubbard saw a 10-foot tall white Bigfoot. The men fired on it. It vanished in a white mist. Reported by Leonard H. Stringfield, Situation Red – The UFO Siege!, pp. 65-6.

After 1968: Alabama. The same man involved in the Carson, Wyoming case above shot another Bigfoot later on. This time the government found out about it and was angry at the man for killing another Bigfoot. Reported by Ray Crowe. Government coverup.

New Years Day, 1969: Franklin, Missouri. Arbie Boyer pumped nine bullets from a .22 rifle into a Bigfoot 20 feet away from his home. It turned and slowly walked away. Then man then shot it with a 45/70 rifle and hit it in the shoulder. Reported on the Bigfoot Encounters website.

1969: San Juan, New Mexico. Shepherds shot a Bigfoot and wounded it. Two other Bigfoots then came to help the wounded Bigfoot away. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1969: Whiteface Reservoir, Minnesota. A hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot, then put the body on ice and displayed it for awhile before replacing it with a plastic replica. The famous Minnesota Iceman story.

Late February 1969: Khutze Inlet, British Columbia. Ronnie Nyce and two other men shot a Bigfoot that ran screaming into the woods. Reported by Bob Titmus.

November 1969: Burlington, New Jersey. A man shot at a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

November 1969. Calaveras Big Trees State Park, California. Mike Scott shot a Bigfoot three times from 30 feet away, wounding it. Reported by Slate and Berry, Bigfoot.

1969-1972: Homosassa Springs, Florida. A group of teenagers were hanging out at a rock quarry at night when one of them shot and wounded a Bigfoot. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

After 1969: Clark, Washington. Neat Mt. St. Helens, a man shot and killed a Bigfoot, then tried to sell it but stopped when he thought it might have been illegal to kill the Bigfoot. No further details. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Early 1970’s: Chelan, Washington. Men shot at a Bigfoot holding and biting a 150-pound pig. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Early to mid 1970’s: Burr Ferry, Louisiana. A coon hunter shot a Bigfoot, and it screamed loudly. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

Summer 1970’s: Evangelina, Texas. Fishermen camping on the Neches River heard noises down by their bait box and boat and smelled a bad smell. The grandfather fired in the direction of the commotion and then a terrible scream was heard. Nothing was found the next morning except footprints. The grandfather said he had shot a Bigfoot. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy..

1970’s: Sylacauga, Alabama, on the slope of Marble Mountain. After a series of incidents involving Bigfoots on a small farm, sheriffs were called out. A sheriff’s deputy saw a Bigfoot standing near the house. Although he did not know what it was, he emptied his revolver at it. It ran off. The deputy then told the family that he would not come out to the house at night alone again. Reported by the Alabama Bigfoot site. Government coverup.

1970’s: Gray’s Harbor, Washington. A man shot at a Bigfoot. Four Bigfoots then attacked his pickup truck. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1970’s: Oregon. A man unloaded four rounds from a 30.06 into a Bigfoot, but the shots had little effect on the Bigfoot. Reported by Oregon Archives, University of Oregon.

1970’s: Idaho. Two men fired their rifles, one .22 and one .44 magnum, at a Bigfoot, but the shots had little effect.

1970: Spokane, Washington. A hunter shot and killed a Bigfoot. Reported by Grover Krantz.

1971-1976: Citrus, Florida. Men shot Bigfoots. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

1972: Citrus, Florida. A man shot a Bigfoot. Possibly the same as the previous incident. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

June 1972: Rusk, Texas. A Bigfoot watched campers at a campfire for about four minutes. The men then opened fire on the Bigfoot, and it ran away. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1973: Fayette, Pennsylvania. A man shot twice at a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

June 1973: Maryland. A man shot at a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

June 1973: Collowash River, Oregon. A man was sitting by a campfire when a Bigfoot walked by. He shot it, and it ran screaming into the woods. Reported by John Green.

July 1973: Greensburg, Pennsylvania. A doctor fired several shots at a Bigfoot that tried to enter his trailer home, but it walked away. Reported by Pat Morrison, UFOs and Bigfoot Creatures: An Adventure into the Unexplained, p.29.

Fall 1973: Albany, Kentucky. Many people saw a dark 6-foot tall Bigfoot. It killed some livestock in the area. People shot at it. Farmer Charlie Stern finally wounded it, and the sightings stopped. Reported by Loren Coleman.

October 1973: Pennsylvania. Witnesses saw a slow-moving, bright red UFO land in a farm pasture. Men went to the top of the pasture to investigate and they saw two Bigfoots creeping along a barbed wire fence about 75 feet away from the UFO. They were making strange whining sounds and and another sound like a baby crying. One man fired a tracer bullet at the Bigfoots. One of the Bigfoots reached up in the air as if trying to grab the tracer bullet. The man tried shooting at the Bigfoot with live ammunition, but the bullets had no effect. Reported by Stan Gordon on Coast to Coast radio show, November 28, 2014.

November 1973. Near Uniontown, Pennsylvania. A man saw a Bigfoot at night and shot at it with his revolver. It ran away. Later he shot it with a rifle. It screamed and ran away. Reported by Stan Gordon, “Pennsylvania Creatures Busy,” Shylooh: 77, pp. 15-16.

1974: Near Stone State Park, Sioux City, Iowa. A man shot and wounded a Bigfoot with a deer rifle. Reported by the Des Moines, Iowa Sunday Register, November 12, 1978.

1974: South Mountain, North Carolina. A 7-foot Bigfoot stood up by a campfire. A man fired at it, and it went away. Reported by John Green.

January 1974: Lee, Florida. A Bigfoot killed a pony. A man then shot at the Bigfoot in response. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

January 9, 1974: Palm Beach, Florida. Patrolman Robert Hollemeyal shot a 7-8-foot tall, dark Bigfoot. The Bigfoot was only wounded and ran off at 20 mph. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

February 1974: Fayette, Pennsylvania. Men shot multiple Bigfoots. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

February 6, 1974: Uniontown, Pennsylvania. A Bigfoot was shot at and then disappeared. A UFO was seen nearby. Stan Gordon, “Pennsylvania Creatures Busy,” Shylooh: 77, pp.14-17

May 1974: North Carolina. A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

July-Aug. 1974: Watova, near Nowata, Oklahoma. A Bigfoot was seen many times around the property of Mrs. Margie Lee. She called sheriffs, and Deputies Gilbert Gilmore and Buck Field came out. The deputies shot the Bigfoot, but it was uninjured. Reported by Clark and Loren Coleman, Creatures of the Outer Edge.

Mid-October 1974: Near Holly Springs, Arkansas. A Bigfoot was sighted several times. A man shot it, but it lived. Reported by the Arkansas Gazette, November 2, 1974.

November 1974: Corkscrew Swamp, Collier County, Florida. A group of men hunting at night were being stalked by a Bigfoot. They opened fire on it with their shotguns. It screamed and ran off. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

December 1974: Bootlegger Trail, Montana. A coyote hunter shot three times at a 7-8-foot tall Bigfoot with a 30.06. The Bigfoot kept coming at him, and he jumped into a car and escaped. Roberta Donovan and Keith Wolverton, Mystery Stalks the Prairie, p.90.

February 1975: Alachua, Florida. A man’s car hit a Bigfoot on the road and knocked it down. The man got out of his car and shot the Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

February 2, 1975: Cape Coral, Florida. Richard Davis shot a Bigfoot, then later repented. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

September 1975: Nowata, Kansas. Men shot at a Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

September and October 1975: Nolde, Oklahoma. Kenneth Tosh, Marion Parret, Clifford Bentson, and Gerald Bullock tried to shoot and kill a Bigfoot on repeated occasions over a 2-month period. They were unsuccessful; the Bigfoot survived. Reported by by Jerome Clark and Hayden Hewes.

Early October 1975: Lummi Indian Reserve near Bellingham, Washington. The captain of the police force shot at a 6-foot+ tall Bigfoot. Reported by John Green, Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us, p. 17.

October 1975: Fayette, Pennsylvania. A man shot at two Bigfoots. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

October 1975: Washington, Pennsylvania. Men shot at a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

December 26, 1975: Vaughn, Montana. Two teenage girls shot over the head of a Bigfoot. The Bigfoot fell to the ground and was helped into the brush by other Bigfoots. Reported by Roberta Donovan and Keith Wolverton, Mystery Stalks the Prairie, pp.87-9.

1976-1977: Linn, Oregon. A man met two young women in a casino in Las Vegas who told him a fascinating story. Shortly before, they had wanted to go hiking in Oregon so they hired a guide to take them to the forest.

At one point, they came across a Bigfoot, and the guide raised his rifle and fired on it several times, seemingly to no effect. The Bigfoot then tore the man apart, killing him. The man’s body was evacuated via a heavily-armed US Forest Service helicopter. The Forest Service grilled the females for seven hours, trying to convince them that the man had been killed by a bear, but they stuck to their story. The ranger then told the women to never come back to the forest again. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record. Government coverup.

1976: Kern, California. A man shot a Bigfoot ten times in the chest with a .22 rifle. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

January 1976: Elm Creek, Texas Panhandle. Three men shot and killed two Bigfoots. The first one charged them, so they shot it. Then another one charged them, so they shot it too. They dropped both of them, a male and a female. They buried the bodies down by a nearby creek. They were afraid they would be prosecuted for homicide so they kept quiet about the killing. However, they recently told their story anonymously on a radio show.

April 26, 1976: Near Flintville, Tennessee. A Bigfoot tried to abduct 4 -year-old Gary Robinson. A six-man posse made up of Deputy Sheriff Homer Davis, Melvin Robertson, Stan Moore, and three others chased the Bigfoot and shot at it. Reported by Jim Brandon, Weird America, p.205

June 1976: Baltimore, Maryland. As unlikely as it sounds, a Bigfoot was reported here in May 1976. Police were called, and K-9’s initially refused to track it. Finally, the dogs tracked it to an interstate tunnel. A police officer then saw it run under the interstate. The next month, US army personnel were called out to deal with the Bigfoot once again. Reports indicate that soldiers captured or killed the Bigfoot. No further information. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast. Government coverup.

July 1976: Citrus, Florida. A man shot a Bigfoot. Possibly the same case as another Citrus case reported above. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

July 1976: Gaston, North Carolina: A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

January 23, 1977: Blewett Pass near Ingalic Creek, Washington. David Kernoul and Dean DeWees saw a Bigfoot near a chicken pen and shot at it. Reported by Wenatchee, Washington World, January 26, 1977.

April 13, 1977: Rising Sun, Indiana. Tom and Connie Courter saw a Bigfoot on a hill late at night. Tom fired 12 shots at it, but there was no trace of the Bigfoot the next day. Reported by the Cincinnati Post, April 20, 1977.

May 12-13, 1977: Wantage Township, New Jersey. A Bigfoot visited the Sites family farm and killed some of their rabbits. It came back later, and the family shot at it. Reported by S.N. Mayne, “The Wantage Event,” Pursuit: 10-4, pp. 124-7.

Summer 1977: Cheshire, New Hampshire. Hunters may have shot at a tan-gray Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

July 1977: Jones, Texas. A Bigfoot threw a rock at a human and hit him. In response, the human shot at the Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

August 1977: Stilwell, Oklahoma. Brian Jones and two boys with the last name Ritchie saw a Bigfoot looking in the window. Jones went outside, and an 8-foot tall Bigfoot picked him up but dropped him when others appeared. The boys fired at the Bigfoot, which responded by throwing rocks. Reported by the Bigfoot Research Society.

August 15, 1977: Sussex County, New Jersey. A man shot a Bigfoot in the front yard of a house with a .22 pistol. The Bigfoot screamed and ran off. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

August 20, 1977: Belt Creek Canyon, Montana. Staff Sergeant Fred Wilson and two others saw a 15 1/2 foot tan Bigfoot standing in some bushes. They fired at it but drove off in their car when it ran towards them. Great Falls Tribune, August 20, 1977.

October 1977: Broward, Florida. A Bigfoot tore at a man’s shirt. In response, the man shot the Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

October 1977: Westmoreland, Pennsylvania. A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

October 1-2, 1977. Near Bend, Oregon. Gary Benson and Ronald Kershey said a 7-foot tall black-haired Bigfoot with silver shoulders attacked them. They fired four shots at it. Reported by INFO Journal: 6-4, p.15.

November 1977: Marion, Florida. A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

Mid-November 1977: Ocala National Forest, Florida. A hunter fired six times at an 8-foot tall Bigfoot weighing 800 pounds. Ocala Star-Banner, November 19, 1977.

1978: Fort Pierce, Washington. Edwin Godoy, a soldier on the base, shot a Bigfoot in the chest. The Bigfoot moaned and ran off. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

1978: Fayette, Pennsylvania. A Bigfoot smashed a windshield of a car. A man then fired on the Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

April 1978: Pennsylvania. A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

April 1978: Danbury, Connecticut. A boy called deputies out to a farm where he saw a Bigfoot. Deputies came out, saw the Bigfoot and shot at it. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

June 26, 1978: Crossett, Arkansas. Mike Lofton, age 10, was feeding his dog when his dog began to tremble. Mike then saw a Bigfoot approaching the house from the woods. He ran and got his .22, shot at the Bigfoot, and the Bigfoot ran off. Reported by the BFRO site.

August 1978: Near Owensboro, Kentucky. Larry Nelson, his brother and two friends shot three .45 bullets into a Bigfoot’s chest. It ran off into the woods unhurt. Reported by Keith Lawrence, “The Fairview Horror,” UFO Report, May 1979, p.30.

Mid-August 1978: Near Owensboro, Kentucky. Several men cornered a Bigfoot beside a pond and shot it at a distance of 10 feet with a pistol. It ran into the woods, leaving no blood trail. Reported by Keith Lawrence, “The Fairview Horror,” UFO Report, May 1979, p.70.

August 14, 1978: Oceana, West Virginia. Policeman Bill Pruitt shot at a Bigfoot. Reported by the Charleston, West Virginia Gazette, August 15, 1978.

August 16, 1978: Fowlerville, Michigan. Gary Browning shot at a Bigfoot that ran out of the underbrush. Reported by the Lansing, Michigan State Journal, August 18, 1978.

October 1978: Colombia, Oregon. Men shot a Bigfoot between the eyes on a road. The Bigfoot rolled off the road, and the men took off. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

April 30, 1979: Dunn Lake, near Barriere, British Colombia. Tim Meissner was fishing with friends when he saw a Bigfoot across the lake. He came back later with a gun and shot at it. Reported by the Vancouver, WA, The Columbian, May 6, 7 and 9, 1979.

Late Spring 1979: South Mountain, North Carolina. A fisherman saw a Bigfoot in the underbrush. He came back later with a gun and shot at it. Reported by Robert L. Williams, “‘Knobby’, North Carolina’s Bigfoot,” UFO Report, September 1979, p.27.

October 1979: Oregon. A Bigfoot put a hand on a boy’s shoulder. The boy ran to the men he was with, who got guns and fired into the woods at the Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Mid-October 1979: Knox County, Indiana. Two boys who were predator hunting at night with rabbit-in-distress calls called in a Bigfoot. They shot at it, and it ran off. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

1980: Vinton, Ohio. A man shot a Bigfoot. Bigfoots threw boulders at trailers in response. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

September 1981: Cleveland, North Carolina. A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

October 10, 1980: Fleming County, Kentucky. A Bigfoot raided J. L. Turney’s freezer. Turney chased it and shot at it. Reported by the Flemingsburg, Kentucky, Times-Democrat, October 15, 1980.

November 1981: Taylor County, Florida. A Bigfoot approached a camp of hunters in the middle of the night. A man fired a gun at it several times to make it go away. It crashed off into the woods. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

1982: Oglethorpe, Georgia. A woman went outside to tend to the dogs and was surprised to see a Bigfoot there. She ran back in the house yelling for her husband. The man was in the bathroom and shot through the bathroom wall at the Bigfoot, hitting it. The Bigfoot ran off. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

1982: Colombia, Oregon. A fisherman shot a Bigfoot. He followed the blood trail until he lost it. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Spring 1982: Maryland. A man shot a Bigfoot. Reported by Rick Berry, Bigfoot on the East Coast.

Fall 1982: Cherokee, Texas. A man shot a Bigfoot with a shotgun three times and with a .357 revolver five times. The Bigfoot apparently survived. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

Fall 1983: Morgan-Monroe State Forest, Indiana. A college student was having a drinking party at his house with two friends. Early in the morning, he heard a noise and went outside. He saw what appeared to be a Bigfoot. He went back into his house, got an automatic weapon and shot at it. It ran off into the woods. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

October 13, 1983: Wilson, Oklahoma. A Bigfoot, apparently mad at a man for some reason, charged into a man’s house and tore the house apart. The man grabbed his shotgun and shot the Bigfoot. Then the man and his family chased the Bigfoot out of the house and barricaded the doors. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

November 1983: Tillamook, Oregon. A hunter tried to shoot a Bigfoot, but the gun was empty. The Bigfoot then growled at the hunter. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

Mid 1980’s: Johnson County, Arkansas. A Bigfoot kept taking a farmer’s animals – chickens, pigs and calves – but by fall, he would only take no more than half the farmer’s animals, leaving the other half for the farmer. The farmer got fed up and one night lay in wait for it with a shotgun. When the Bigfoot appeared, the farmer shot it with a shotgun, wounding it. The Bigfoot ran away and never bothered the farm again. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

Mid 1980’s: Johnson County, Arkansas. Two men were poaching deer with spotlights at night when they spotlighted a Bigfoot. One man shot at it, wounding it. The next day they found blood from the Bigfoot. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

October 15, 1984. Jefferson, Texas. A man was squirrel hunting in Pine Islands Bayou in the Big Thicket National Preserve when his dog started barking. He then noticed a Bigfoot wading in the bayou. His dog charged the Bigfoot, and the Bigfoot threw a log at the dog. The man then fired on the Bigfoot, but he did not know if he hit it or not. The Bigfoot ran off into the underbrush. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1985: Pierce, Washington. A Bigfoot charged at men. Men then fired on the Bigfoot, then got in their car and drove away. The Bigfoot chased the pickup truck as it was driving away. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1985: Ripley, Oklahoma. A group of people out partying by the Cimarron River saw a Bigfoot. The Bigfoot then crashed off into the brush. Men left to go get guns and came back to shoot at the Bigfoot. They saw it and shot it. It screamed and ran away. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

October 20, 1986: Los Angeles County, California. Father and son deer hunters hunting in the San Gabriel Mountains noticed something rustling the brush very forcefully. They fired a few shots at it, then it came out of the brush and stood in front of them. It was a Bigfoot. They both ran away. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

1987: Pacific, Washington. A Bigfoot chased rafters along a river for seven miles, throwing rocks at them. A man fired into the brush at the Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

May 1987: Maricopa County, Arizona. A group of men were fishing for catfish. They fell asleep. At 2 AM, one awoke and noticed a female Bigfoot standing only 10 feet away. This situation went on for a while, as the one man in the group who had a gun pointed it at the Bigfoot to hold her at bay. At one point, she charged the men, and he opened fire at close range with a single shot shotgun. The Bigfoot grabbed her chest and ran across the lake to the other side, crashing through the brush. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

1988: Atoka, Oklahoma. A hunter shot a Bigfoot with a 30.06 rifle, but the Bigfoot was only wounded and ran away. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1990’s: Nowata, Oklahoma. A farmer shot at a Bigfoot. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

1990: Clark, Washington. A woman shot at a Bigfoot in the brush near her chicken coop. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

May 1990: Cooke County, Texas. Men shot a Bigfoot in the chest with a shotgun while on a camping trip. Reported by the BFRO website.

September 1990: Glenn, California. A Bigfoot that had been shot at by other men ran past a group of men. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

1991: Indiana. Two young men were hunting at night when they saw a Bigfoot. They freaked out and opened fire on it with a shotgun. It screamed and chased them half a mile through the woods. Reported by Mary Green.

August 1992: Between Westal and Crosstal, Tennessee. A man and his sons were out hunting squirrels in the woods. At 3:30 AM, the father woke up when a Bigfoot was trying to pull him out of the back of his truck. He thought it was one of his sons, so he yelled at them to stop. After a bit, he realized it was a Bigfoot. He shot and wounded it, and it walked away. Later, it came back and walked around the camp breaking branches and menacing the campers. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

August 1992: Iowa. Two fishermen camping beside a river saw a Bigfoot walking along the bank on the opposite side early in the morning. One man fired three shots at it with his .22, and it ran over the top of the bank and disappeared. Reported by The Sasquatch Report Issue #84 March 1997.

May 1993: Clark, Washington. Deer poachers shot a Bigfoot and wounded it. Blood was found, but the Bigfoot escaped. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

December 1994: Deschutes, Oregon. Hunters shot and wounded a Bigfoot in the leg and followed the blood trail for several miles. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

November 1996: Coos, Oregon. Spotlight hunters took long shots at a spotlighted Bigfoot. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

May 1997: Mendocino, California. A man shot at a female and some juvenile Bigfoots. Another Bigfoot then attacked the man and broke some of his bones. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

September 1997: Tillamook County, Oregon. A hiker shot at a Bigfoot standing on a rock outcropping early in the morning. The Bigfoot ran off.

July 1997: Jones, Texas. A Bigfoot threw a rock at a man, hitting him. The man then shot back at the Bigfoot but missed. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

October 1998: Madison, Virginia. A man was camping in the woods when he saw a Bigfoot up on a ridge only 80 feet away when he woke up in the morning. He emptied his revolver at it, and it ran off. Reported by the Bigfoot Encounters website.

November 1998: Longview, Texas. Two men were out squirrel hunting in the woods when they came across a Bigfoot. It ran across the trail and took off into the woods. The men decided to leave the area quickly, but five minutes later, they smelled a bad smell. They looked around, and 20-30 feet to the side in the woods was the Bigfoot again. One man fired three shots at it, hitting the Bigfoot.

The Bigfoot screamed and then chased the men all the way back to their house. It roamed the woods around the house all night, yelling and breaking branches. Later in the night, one of the men fired on the Bigfoot again.

November 4, 1998: Greenbrier, Tennessee. A man out hunting was scared off by a Bigfoot staring in the window of his truck. He drove off quickly, but the Bigfoot had blocked the road with a downed tree. The hunter called his friend to come cut up the tree.

They drove off and came to the main road when they saw some deer. The hunter decided to shoot a deer, so he got out. But then the two men saw a Bigfoot heading towards a neighbor’s barn. They fired shots at it, but it kept moving towards the barn. As they fired more, it turned and ran towards them. They jumped into their trucks and drove away very fast.

The hunter and his friend went to their homes, but then they heard the Bigfoot again. The Bigfoot yelled and burst out of the trees 40 feet away. The men unloaded all their guns at it, and it fell to the ground and started crawling away. The hunter told his friend to stop shooting at it because they didn’t know what it was. They followed the blood trail 1/2 mile to a creek where they lost the trail. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

April 6, 1999: Hawkins County, Tennessee. A farmer was plowing his field with his tractor when he saw a Bigfoot come out of the trees. He thought it was a bear, so he pulled out his 30.06 rifle and shot it. They tracked it for six hours but could not find it. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

September-October 1999: Northwestern Alabama. A woman sighted a Bigfoot and reported it to law enforcement. The next day at 4 PM they saw helicopters flying over the area. The copters had .50 caliber machine guns and were firing into the woods. This went on until midnight. Apparently they hit the Bigfoot because residents heard horrible screams from the wounded Bigfoot. It is not known if the Bigfoot was killed or not.

When people asked law enforcement about the helicopters, citizens were told that the police had been eradicating wild boars in the area. However, there had not been any wild boars in the area for 20 years. Reported by the Southeastern Bigfoot Research Organization. Government coverup.

January 2000: Honobia, Oklahoma. The Siege of Honobia. Bigfoot apparently shot and killed as part of a group that was raiding and harassing a rural residence. Other Bigfoots apparently carried off the dead Bigfoot. Reported by the BFRO site.

August 2000: Fort Mitchell, Alabama. A man and his friend were camping at Rood Creek Park Campground and Boat Landing on the Chattahoochee River, Georgia. One of the men’s dogs started whimpering, and the man went to check on it. Then he saw a Bigfoot coming out of the woods and approaching the camp. The man fired two shots from his pistol at the Bigfoot, but they didn’t seem to faze it. The Bigfoot then grabbed the man’s dog and tore it to shreds. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

October 11, 2000: Lewis County, Washington. A mother and two of her children saw a Bigfoot walking across the road. It looked as if it had a gunshot wound in the lower back. Reported by the BFRO site.

April 27, 2001: Orange County, Indiana. A hunter was in a blind calling turkeys in the woods when he heard a noise 50 feet in back of him. He turned around, and after a little bit, a Bigfoot stepped into view. Soon the Bigfoot charged the hunter’s position. The hunter fired one shot at the Bigfoot’s face and hit it. The Bigfoot turned and ran down a steep ravine where it stumbled around for 15 minutes or so. A trail of blood was found leading to the ravine. Reported by the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.

October 4, 2001: Woodville, Texas. A woman saw a Bigfoot standing in her backyard. She told her son, who grabbed a gun and took off into the woods after it. Soon he heard two men shouting along with gunshots. Then the men said, “Let’s get out of here!” They had apparently been shooting at the Bigfoot. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

2002: Sawyer, Oklahoma. An old man shot a Bigfoot. Bigfoots then started coming to the house, throwing rocks and sticks at it. One day the old man died of a heart attack. Reported by the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy.

Late January 2002: Monster Central, Louisiana. This is a 1,500 acre zone in northwest Louisiana south of Shreveport. A hunter gut shot a Bigfoot and wounded it. Other men with dogs were called in to track the Bigfoot. They tracked it to a tree on the edge of a stream, but it jumped down out of the tree and into the stream. One of the men shot at it again but missed.

Then the men became worried that some of the other Bigfoots might come around to defend the one they shot. Some blood and vomitus were taken for analysis, but the wife of the man who had the samples accidentally threw them away when she found them in the freezer. The results came back “unknown primate.” Reported here.

July 16, 2003: Lincoln County, Tennessee. A man shot a white Bigfoot that was making noise in a yard at night. The Bigfoot stumbled and then ran away. Reported by the BFRO site.

November 12, 2003: Lafollette, Tennessee. A creature had been killing peoples’ animals. A goat and cat at the very least had been killed. A woman called the sheriff’s, they came out with a team of deputies, and told everyone to get their pets indoors, as they were going to eliminate this animal. They tracked the Bigfoot and shot it dead over the next hill.

There were sirens wailing, and the Bigfoot screamed as it was shot. The woman left the scene. People saw a black body lying in a field the next morning. Ten minutes later, it had vanished. Planes flew around the area night and day for two weeks. Locals reported that there had been a hostile Bigfoot in the area, and they were trying to appease it by leaving food out for it so it would not kill their animals. The next day the woman who reported the incident went back to the area, and someone had taken the body away. Reported by Mary Green. Government coverup.

February 2006: Navarro, Texas: At a road crossing, a man shot a Bigfoot twice with a 30.06. The Bigfoot was wounded but walked away. Reported in the Bigfoot Track Record.

August 2006: Slim Buttes, Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota. A Bigfoot that had been named Chiye-tanka was shot and killed on the reservation. It was later given to the School of Mines to study. They sent it back, and it was given a ceremonial burial by Lakota elders. Reported by Ray Crowe. Government coverup.

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That’s What We Get for Electing a Nigger

There has been much talk about why the Democrats have lost so many seats all across the land. There are a variety of reasons for it, but the main reason is right up there in that ugly title of the post. We Democrats had the temerity and nerve to elect a Black man to  President of the US. Can you imagine that? We actually elected a Black man! How outrageous.

The rest of the country looked at the  Democrats in disgust and said, “I can’t believe you Democrats just elected a nigger President of the US! Just for that, I am voting Republican at the federal, state and local level! The nerve of you Democrats – electing a nigger! You thought you could do that and we would just sit here taking it sitting down – I don’t think so!”

There really is no other explanation for the Democrats’ loss of over 1,000 political positions countrywide since the election of Obama.

Part of the losses can be explained by increased voter fraud and rapidly declining democracy in the US, but even without those problems, we still would have lost seats due to real changes in opinion since 2008.

Fraud and the War on Democracy

I am not sure exactly why we lost all those seats but part of it has to do with the death of democracy in America.

The whole country is gerrymandered to Hell, and this right there has led to huge Republican gains. Once Republicans get into a state government, they start gerrymandering the state like maniacs.

The vote-stealing by computerized election machines that started in 2000 has continued and increased every year. They don’t just steal Presidencies. There is good evidence that they are stealing Senate seats as well and they stole at least three last year, one each in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and probably Missouri. The last election with Ossoff in Georgia was almost certainly stolen, so they are stealing House seats too. Republicans are doubling down on the election machines by refusing to remove the ones that are most easily hacked.

They have also passed a number of laws making vote recounts after elections difficult or even impossible. You saw how all of the 2016 recounts were shut down by Republican state governments and courts.

In addition, the Republican Supreme Court outrageously overturned the Voting Rights Act in one of the most racist decisions since Plessy v Ferguson. As a result of this wildly racist decision, Republicans all over the land have formulated all sorts of new election laws and rules that have the end effect of making it harder for Black and Brown minorities to vote.

In addition, in several elections this year, Democrats who were voted into office were actually removed from office by state legislatures in a move so profoundly anti-Democratic it is frightening.

The attacks on democracy across the land by Republicans are vicious and ugly. They are some of the worst we have seen since 1964 before which Blacks could hardly even vote in the US.

Given all of these wildly anti-democratic actions, how anyone can say with a straight face that we live in a democracy anymore, I have no idea. The whole idea that this is some kind of a democratic country is some sort of a sick joke.

Actual Moves towards Conservatism in the Population

Nevertheless, polls do show a huge swing towards the Republican Party since 2008 when Obama was elected. As Obama was a mushy Centrist and most of us on the Left think he is just a Republican, it can hardly be because Obama was too liberal.

I assume that the Democratic Party was punished at all levels for the crime of electing a Black President. Basically, “This is what we Democrats get for electing a nigger.” It’s Johnson’s White House comments in 1965 after the Civil Rights Act all over again: “We will lose the South for the next generation.” Just like in 1964, we Democrats are being punished horribly for doing the right thing. We are being made to fall on our swords for the crime of supporting Black people.

The fact that Democrats were crushed all over the land after we elected a Democratic Black President to me shows just how profoundly racist this country still is. And it looks like the Republican Party is becoming the de facto party of resentful White racism, mostly anti-Black racism but to a lesser extent anti-Hispanic racism too.

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Teen Sex Mass Hysteria Kills Another Kid

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Boy takes photo of himself having sex with a girl classmate. Somehow the photo gets found by some adult and reported to police. Idiot cops get involved. School administrators, even more boneheaded than the police, stick their big fat noses into the mess. The dumbass adults threaten to the poor boy with criminal charges for distribution of child pornography (surely a horrific abuse of that statute) and threaten to put him on the Sex Offender list for life.

What follows, logically, is the boy kills himself. Of course he did. How did you expect him to act? And he’s not the first one. There have been more, and many kids have been arrested and jailed on “child porn” charges. Quite a few have been put on the Sex Offender list for life over this idiotic nonsense.

It’s a moral panic. Let’s call it Teen Sex Mass Hysteria.

 

 

 

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Delphi Murders Update August 30, 2017: Update on the Crime and a Profile of a Delphi Murders Suspect

New Delphi Murders Update!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting really sick and tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below.

 The rest of what we are reporting are in general our hypotheses about this crime. These hypotheses have changed several  times in the course of this investigation, but that’s the way all detective work is. If you don’t want to be wrong, don’t be a detective because being a detective is all about being wrong. So our hypotheses are just that. If you are not sure what a hypothesis is, go look it up. It’s just a guess or hunch that you are setting out to prove. We do not believe we have proved much about this crime yet, but we do have a lot of hypotheses going. All of those hypotheses are by their nature temporary and may be changed at any time. If they are born out, then they will become more permanent.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions, hypotheses, etc., just quit reading right now and get off my site and don’t come back. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources or if  you have any problems at all with my sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and get off my site. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories, and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths. If you I “steal other people’s ideas” (a laughable concept in itself) or have problems with me reporting rumors, just get off the site right now. You will not be missed!

Notice: All of the really hot discussion and sleuthing on the site has headed over to the private password-protected forum, where our team of ~200 websleuths has been working on this case and has assembled a huge case against our suspect, including videos and many photographs. Instructions on how to get on the private forum.

This is a profile of a man who we feel is the best suspect in the double murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German in Delphi, Indiana on February 13, 2017. In also contains some new evidence on the crime and a new rundown of the crime itself.

New Information

But first of all, we have some new important information on a Vehicle of Interest in the crime.

More on the Vehicle of Interest in the case

In the last report, we detailed a vehicle we believe is the VOI in this case. The photo below is a photo of this VOI. This vehicle is a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. It was seen seven miles south of Delphi on the morning of the crime. We are not sure who the man in the photo is, but we feel he may be the man on the bridge. The woman who lived here thought this vehicle was suspicious, so she wrote down the license number.

We believe this license number with the paper plates was either stolen or given to this man in Kokomo. We traced the license plate back to Kokomo, but could not get any further information .

Previously we thought this man rented this car. We now believe that this man may own this vehicle.

The VOI in the crime is said to be a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. It was seen at the trailhead by a witness at ~3  PM on February 13., which was exactly the time that this crime was occurring.

As you can see, the vehicle in this photo and the VOI in the case have the same descriptions. Both are described as late model white Dodge Darts with paper plates. We believe that the car below is the same car that was used in the crime six hours later on the bridge in Delphi. It stands to reason that this man may be the man on the bridge, but we can’t prove that yet.

I can tell you who this man was visiting though. This man was visiting a woman’s son at this woman’s house. The son lives a ways away, but was visiting his mother at the time. The man in the white car was reportedly visiting a man named BH at this home. We have no information whatsoever on whether BH was involved in the crime that occurred later. At the moment, we have little reason to suspect that he was. However, he does have a criminal record and was arrested only a few days after the murders. We do not understand the relationship between BH and the man with the white car. We have no idea how they know each other or the reason for the visit that morning.

As we now believe that this car is owned by this man and not rented, we now believe that the man on the bridge may have used his own car to commit this crime. However, he tried to cover it up by putting fake paper plates over his real plates. We have a suspect who is rumored to drive a late model white Dodge Dart, but we have not been able to prove that he actually has a car like that. It’s only a rumor. We have been working to try to figure it out, but car ownership information is hard to come by.

There are new reports coming in that the VOI was seen by more people than this one woman. There are now reports that several people saw that car there at the bridge that day.

The reason we think the late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates is the VOI is because to our knowledge, this is the only car seen that day that has not been cleared.

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Reportedly a photo of a white compact car near the Monon Bridge on the day of the murders. However, this car does not match up to the white vehicle photographed in front of the woman’s house. There are suggestions that this photo may not even have been taken on that day or in that place. It has been traced back to a woman who is trying to frame her ex husband for this crime, so this photo may simply be a photo of his vehicle. Bottom line is this photo has no relevance to this case.

Despite the red herring and the dead end regarding the photo above, we are hearing that more people are coming forward saying that they say a white late model Dodge Dart with paper plates at the bridge around the time of the crimes. But no photos have emerged yet of this vehicle at Monon Bridge that day.

There are different stories regarding the woman who took these photos and the man in the photo. The woman was reportedly shown a number of photos of different men and asked if any of them were the man with the white car. When shown a photo of our suspect, the woman supposedly pulled her car over to the side of the road,  leaned out the car door and vomited. So she had a very violent involuntary reaction to a photo of our suspect. However, before this happened, she was shown a number of photos of possible persons who the man by the white car might be, and the woman was saying yes to all of them. Obviously they are not all the man by the white car. Unfortunately, this witness has serious credibility issues

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Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 1. Photo taken in the early AM seven miles south of Delphi, Indiana on 2-13-17, eight hours before the Delphi murders occurred in that same town. The person was at a woman’s house visiting the woman’s son, a man named BH. An identical vehicle was seen at the crime scene at the time of the crime. We believe that this may be the vehicle used by the man on the bridge in the crime. We believe that the man in this photo may be the man on the bridge. The license # is written on the photo.

More About the Home Where the Photo Above Was Taken

Unfortunately, this woman’s home and life’s involvement in this tale is not over. The day before the killings, two persons came over to visit her daughter, MA. These persons were KC and TJF. The two picked up MA and took off to go to the woods by the bridge supposedly to cook up methamphetamine. The notion that there were meth cookers in the woods that afternoon led to all sorts of what I call the Meth Theory. Most involved these dealers and cookers and apparently the three people above, killing the two girls for all sorts of possible reasons, mostly that the girls happened upon the meth cooking operation. These theories in general are no good and I reject all of them.

Nevertheless over the period of 2-12 AM and 2-15 PM, these three were gone and were reportedly cooking meth at some point during this time frame, but it’s not known exactly when or where. All of these people were high out of their minds on meth and heroin for three days and all used a benzodiazepine that is known for pretty much erasing your memory. The daughter, MA, came home late on 2-15 beaten up and complained that she had been beaten and gangraped and some point over this period.

People thought this may have happened in the woods, maybe when the girls were being killed, but this gang rape probably occurred elsewhere, probably in someone’s home. At the same time, there is rumored to be a photo of a group of men on their knees with their pants down kneeling around the body of a naked woman. For some time, people wondered if this was a photo of what was done to the girls, but now it appears that if this photo exists, it depicts this gang rape of MA and not any rape or murder of the girls.

MA  was reportedly a willing partner in this gang rape, as it was done as a gang initiation to initiate her into some gang.  The gang appears to be an Aryan Brotherhood White Supremacist organization, but it is not the AB. Instead it is some local group not affiliated with them. After the initiation, MA become the property of the gang and they could do whatever they wanted to with her. They could sell her, give her away to other people, force her to prostitute herself, all sorts of things. As a result of the gang rape in which KC probably participated, MA was given to KC by the gang. Her boyfriend for the next ~6 weeks was KC, but apparently she was forced into this relationship.

When MA returned home, the woman called the police on all of them. KC was arrested that day on 2-15 on meth charges.

In the aftermath of the three day ordeal, MA reportedly confessed in part to the murder of the girls. She stated that she “wanted to know what it felt like to stab someone, so she stabbed someone.” She did not know who she stabbed, when or where. Furthermore, all of their minds were as good as erased for the three day period due to the benzo ingestion. I am not sure if her confession has been turned into police. We believe this is a false confession, the result of a beating, a gang rape and three days of heavy drug use. Anyway she has no details about this “stabbing.” Further, MA does not seem capable or murdering those girls. KC and TJF are pretty lousy men, but from what I know about them, I can’t see them murdering these girls, especially for no particular reason.

The woman has been interviewed by both the FBI and the Indiana State Police. We do not know what has come of this, but our information now is that LE does not believe the Meth Theory of the murders is a valid hypothesis.

As far as MA goes, at some point, she was sold to a man up in Wisconsin. She had to go up there and live with this man who bought her for a month or so. Later she was in rehab. This woman makes a lot of dubious choices, has terrible friends, and has gotten herself into a heap of trouble, but I don’t think she’s a murderer.

The Actual Murders

Rumors

The following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed. Most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. However, the rumors in italics are apparently true to the best of our knowledge:

Probably or Fully True Rumors

Both girls were disrobed either partially or fully. One was naked, but the other had a top on. Both girls were bottomless, and the panties of both girls were found at some distance from the crime scene. Some of the girls’ clothing was found in the creek.

One girl had the top half of her body covered with leaves.

There was blood and dirt under Liberty’s nails and dirt under Abbie’s nails. Abbie’s nails were badly torn up.

Police believe that Libby had 4-5 chances to escape, but did not flee because she was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster. In real life, they were inseparable.

One or possibly both girls had their throats slit. One girl’s throat was so badly cut that she was nearly decapitated.

More Uncertain but Plausible Rumors

At some point, at least one of the girls was stricken with the blunt end of a gun.

At least one of the girls had the back of her head badly bashed in with a heavy object, possibly a rock.

One girl had a knife wound to the heart and another wound to the jugular vein in her throat.

The stake to the stomach is one of the reasons for the consistent rumors that one of the girls was pregnant. It is not known if either girl was in the early stages of pregnancy, however this is a persistent rumor that we have not been able to refute despite our best efforts to do so. The rumor initially stated that one girl was pregnant, but now it says that the other girl was pregnant. Another rumor is that part of the attack was set off by the killer becoming enraged when he found out one girl was not a virgin. We have been trying very hard to refute the pregnancy rumor but have been unable to do so. At the moment, we have no idea at all if either girl was pregnant. It’s a black hole.

The killer used some sort of strong chemical to try to destroy any of his DNA left at the scene.

The girls were  “posed” in the crime scene.

New Rumors

There are some shocking new rumors that have recently surfaced.

The blockbuster is from the wife of an LE officer who was working on the case. Her husband could not sleep at night, and he finally broke down and told her what was done to the girls. The LE officer reported that branches or bundles of sticks had been shoved into the girls’ vaginas and anuses. Furthermore, the girls had numerous stab wounds and branches or stick bundles were shoved into these too.  There has been a long standing rumor that one of the girls had a stake rammed into her from above. We have been attacked viciously for reporting this. We have tried very hard to negate this rumor, but we have never been able to do so. Now with this new rumor, it finally seems that there was something to the stake rumor all along.

Another is the involvement of a large knife with a gut hook in this crime. After the crime happened, LE were asking around at local hardware stores if anyone had bought a large knife with a gut hook recently. They asked this at the CVS near the bridge. There are two possibilities here. One is that a knife like this was used on the girls and LE were able to determine this by looking at the nature of the wounds. The other possibility is that the killer used this knife in the crime and then left it at the scene for whatever reason. At the moment, we favor the theory that the knife was left at the scene by killer, but there’s no hard evidence one way or the other.

We also have new information about the witnesses who saw the Bridge Man in the area that day who were used to draw the composite. One wonders where the witness(es)  saw the Bridge Man. One rumor says he was seen parked in his car next to the cemetery. The other stories are simply that a few people saw the Bridge Man around the bridge at that time.

The Bridge Man and Our Suspect: Too Many Coincidences

We believe that the Bridge Man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town. The suspect formerly worked at Indiana Packers for a significant period of time from the mid-90’s to mid 2000’s and may have retained work boots from that job.

We believe that the Bridge Man is a fisherman. The suspect is an avid fisherman almost to the point of obsession and fanaticism.

The Bridge Man is definitely left-handed. The suspect is also left-handed. Actually he is ambidextrous, but he prefers his left hand.

The Bridge Man is bowlegged. The suspect is also bowlegged, probably from extensive horse riding as a youth. We have a photograph of the suspect next to a horse. The suspect grew up right around the area of the crime in the vicinity of a lot of horses.

The Bridge Man is duck-footed; that is, his feet go outward when he walks. The suspect is also duck-footed.

The Bridge Man has an injury to his left knee which is obvious in the moving gif’s of him walking on the bridge. The suspect also has a serious injury to his left knee, has several deep stitches on it, and sometimes wears a knee brace. We have a photograph of the suspect’s scarred left knee and a photograph of the suspect wearing what appears to be a knee brace on his left knee.

The Bridge Man is 50-60 years old. The suspect is 52 years old.

The Bridge Man is 5’8-5’10 and weighs 180-220 pounds. The suspect is 5’8, and when last weighed was 170 pounds, but that was a few years ago, and he seems to have gained weight after his recent release from prison.

The Bridge Man appears to be in good shape for his age based on the way he easily navigates the rickety, frightening bridge. Being an avid outdoorsman, the suspect has been in great shape his whole life, but he has developed a paunch as a recent middle-aged development.

The Bridge Man smokes and is smoking during the crime. He may also smoke cigarillos, as a cigarillo wrapper was found at the scene. The suspect also smokes, and he does smoke cigarillos. We have a video of the suspect smoking a cigarillo.

We believe that a white compact vehicle may have been used by the Bridge Man to commit this crime. The suspect was photographed the night before the crime in Indianapolis, and the photographs were posted to a social media page the night of the crime. We have two of these photographs. In one of these photographs, the suspect is standing next to a white compact car. We believe that this photograph was used by the suspect to foreshadow the crime he intended to commit the next day by leaving a tantalizing clue, which is something that he loves to do.

In the number and strangeness of the tantalizing clues this suspect leaves about his crimes, the suspect resembles the Zodiac Killer, the BTK Killer and others. The suspect also likes to ridicule and mock LE. If this case ever goes to trial, it may go down in history on the same level as those other crimes where the criminal left clues behind to tease and taunt LE.

We have quite a few more coincidences between the suspect and the Bridge Man, but we do not want to release that material now due to fears of harming the investigation. All of our material was officially turned over to LE on Friday, July 21.

More about the Man on the Bridge

Although the Bridge Man is said to be wearing a fanny pack in the bridge photo, he is actually wearing what is called a deer kit. This typically contains scissors, knives, etc. for cutting up the game that the hunter has killed, and the Bridge Man’s pack may have contained similar items. He may have used some of these items to cut up the girls.

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The fanny pack. We now believe that this is something called a deer kit. These kits are used by hunters to cut up their deer, and a gut hook knife is indeed one of those knives. Another is called a caping knife. They usually contain five different types of knives. We believe that BG may well have up to five different types of knives in that deer kit.

We know the Bridge Man is left-handed because we believe he has a left-handed gun holster strapped to his right side with a semiautomatic pistol in it. We believe we have now have photos of a holster very similar to the one that the Bridge Man is wearing. We believe he is wearing a vintage leather lefthanded holster. We believe it was made by the Amish and BG purchased it from the Amish. Photos of a very similar holster follow.

Photo #1.

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This is the type of gun holster used by Bridge Man.

Photo #2.

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View of Bridge Man’s type of gun holster, the exact model no doubt.

Photo #3.

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Apparent closeup on the material in the model of gun holster that Bridge Man is wearing.

Photo #4.

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Another view of Bridge Man’s type of gun holster.

We know the Bridge Man has a gun on him as it can clearly be seen in outline under his jacket.

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Click to enlarge. Photo clearly shows a semiautomatic handgun holstered on his right, which means he is lefthanded. That object can only be a gun.

We believe that the Bridge Man gun is an M1911 early model, pre-1986. As far as how this gun was acquired, one theory is that this gun was purchased also from the Amish, as they have many such guns available for cheap. The other possibility is that the Bridge Man stole this gun from Ron Logan of all people. In December, Logan had many guns stolen from his house by a young druggie woman he had living there. If this gun is stolen from Logan, it may be from this heist as no doubt these stolen guns were distributed around. We are not sure at the moment which of these two theories is true or even if either of them are. However, we believe that the type, model # and year is correct, and the ultimate provenance of this gun may well have been via a purchase from the Amish.

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Photo of the type of gun we believe was used in the crime. This is an early model pre-1986 Smith and Wesson M1911 semiautomatic handgun.

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I believe that this is the type of gun that BG used. This is an M1911 semiautomatic pistol pre-1986, originally purchased from the Amish, who have many of these for sale. It also may have been recently stolen from Ron Logan.

As you can see above, the Bridge Man has three different objects that we believe may have been purchased from the Amish. We believe that the Bridge Man has some connection to the Amish community. He is either Amish himself (possibly shunned Amish) or he grew up around the Amish and German Baptists and knows them very well. Indeed, we believe the Bridge Man grew up in Delphi not far from where the crime occurred.

One of the keys to the crime is: Amish, shunned Amish, German Baptists.

Next we move on to another object in the Bridge Man’s possession that has caused a lot of puzzlement. No one quite seems to know what this object is. We had a few hypotheses of what it was, but they did not test out well. We believe we have now settled on an excellent theory of what this object is. See the photo above and also the longer distance photo of the Bridge Man above to see this object for yourself. It is definitely there. It is a strange rectangular object that is somehow strapped to the Bridge Guy’s left pants leg.

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Here is the rectangular object under BG’s left jeans leg. It is in light blue. The red circle is around some unknown object.

When we blew up the photo, at first all we saw was a strange “W” object. We had no idea what it was.

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This is our initial enhancement of the rectangular object. We thought it had a W object in it, and we had no idea what that was.

One of our sleuths asked at work and a woman at work said she thought it was something called a “net fishing bag” that fishermen sometimes use. She had one herself.  But we still needed to explain the rectangular object that the net fishing bag did not explain it well.

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This is a net fishing bag. We believe that this is the object that appears rectangular under BG’s jeans.

Upon rotating the object, we were able to see it better. Now we could see the bag shaped object (the net fishing bag) enclosing the rectangular object. But what was the rectangular object. Via this view, we decided that the rectangular object was a knife carrying kit with knives in it. We counted three knives in the kit and based on the shape, we felt that they were fishing fillet knives. So the rectangular object is a net fishing bag with a knife carrying kit inside with three fishing fillet knives.

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This is the rectangular object, enhanced and rotated to the lect. Now we can not only see that the object is not really rectangular but is instead more bag shaped.

The photo below shoes some of the type of knives that may be inside of this knife kit.

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Knife case with three knives in it. We believe that a similar case is the rectangular object. I assume that the knives can be secured in the holder in some way or sheathed. I assume that there are knife cases like this which lock or close. In that case, we solve the problem that “no one would carry knives in the bag like that because they might get cut.” If they are in a secured knife case or sheathed, the knives are safe and are very unlikely to injure the person barring catastrophic circumstances (hit by a car, long fall from a high place, etc.) Even then a locked case would no doubt stay intact.

If this theory of the object is valid, more things become clear. The Bridge Man may well be a fisherman. After all, he has a fishing kit on him. He may also be a hunter based on the deer kit. On the other hand, deer kits like that are sometimes also called fisherman’s kit.

We believe another key to the crime is fishing, fish and fishermen.

Next we will move onto the Bridge Man’s boots. First of all, we believe he is wearing boots and not sneakers or tennis shoes. The boots are black. Notice the white stripe going all around the boots?

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Closeup of Bridge Guy’s boots. Look at the white stripe around them.

Now look closely at the boots below. Several days after the crime, LE released this photo of these boots in an evidence bag. Then they said that the boots had nothing to do with the crime, but LE always says things like that. A couple of days before, Indiana State Police had raided Indiana Packers. The stated reason was a bomb threat, but we believe there was no bomb threat. Instead that was just an excuse to shut down the plant and raid the police. After LE were done with the raid, they walked away with a pair of Indiana Packers workboots.

A few days later, a photo of these IP boots is released innocently to the media, however, they are in an evidence bag. Obviously LE felt that these were the model of boots that the Bridge Man was wearing. When we blow up the Bridge Man’s boots, we see now that his black boots with the white stripe all around them are an excellent match for the IP boots in the evidence bag.

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Black shoes with white stripe. This is a perfect match for BG’s shoes. These shoes came from Indiana Packers. These are Indiana Packers work boots that everyone has to wear there. So BG was wearing Indiana Packers workboots.

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Here is a side by side comparison of the Bridge Man’s boots and the Indiana Packers boots seized by LE during a raid, placed in an evidence bag and released to the media. That the Bridge Man is wearing Indiana Packers boots is a good theory based on the evidence.

The blowup of the Bridge Man below is interesting for two reasons. First of all, he is not smoking something in that photo. The cigarette in the right of his mouth was Photoshopped in. It is not known if the smoke on the left side of his face was also faked. However, one thing is obvious in this photo and in any photo of the Bridge Man, and that is his massive nose

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Blowup found on the Net that reportedly shows the Bridge Man smoking. This is now thought to be a Photoshopped fake, or at least the cigarette on the right side of his mouth is faked. There also appears to be some smoke on the left side of the Bridge Man’s face here. It’s not known if that smoke is real or faked. Bottom line be careful of this photo.

However, look at the composite below. See any massive nose? Of course not. So what gives?

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Composite photo of the Delphi Killer suspect.

Look back at that huge nose in the blowup. But no matter. It’s huge in any video of the Bridge Man. Many have remarked on his huge nose. But he has no huge nose. His nose is quite average. Solution to the problem? Simple, the Bridge Man is disguising himself by wearing a fake nose! Wa-la! Problem solved.

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A fake nose similar to the one the Bridge Man is wearing. This may be purchased for ~$5 online. One of my fellow sleuths has suggested that BG has a fake nose. A group of women on one of the saner Delphi Murders pages on Facebook first suggested this theory to me and I believe they made a good case for their argument. He’s disguising himself.

The motivation for this crime is hard to figure out, but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers. Although there is no evidence yet that the Bridge Man has killed other people beyond this crime, he certainly may have. Hence we believe the Bridge Man is a “serial killer type” instead of a serial killer. In that case, the motivation for the crime is that of a sexually sadistic psychopathic serial type killer.

We know much more about the Bridge Man but are not releasing it due to fears of harming the investigation. All of this information was officially turned over to LE on Friday, July 21.

The Suspect

Suspect’s Background and Life Story

The suspect resides within a 20 mile radius of Delphi.

The suspect is a former resident who grew up in Delphi right around the area of the crime and still knows all of the landowners around there, including Ron Logan, Marvin Sandifur, the Mearses, and Ivan Brumbaugh. The suspect is either Amish (shunned), German Baptist or is strongly associated with one of those communities. He knows the area around the crime scene, including Logan’s land, Deer Creek itself, and the bridge like the back of his hand.

The suspect has a low education level but probably graduated from high school.

The suspect had a very messy divorce with his ex-wife, including violent child custody issues. The suspect did a short stint in prison for badly assaulting his ex-wife.

The suspect has a long record of mostly minor crimes with some jail stints and one short prison stint. All crimes were committed in Indiana. Crimes were mostly repeated drunk driving but also assault and harassment charges. All of his ex-wives have no-contact orders against him, which implies domestic violence on his part in each case.

In terms of crimes for which he has not been caught, he has been accused of petty theft. We also have suspicions that he may have been t\involved in arson, perhaps multiple arsons and that one or more of these arsons has resulted in homicide. We believe he may be a serial killer, and we suspect he may have been involved in at the very least one other multiple murder in the local area, although we cannot prove it and don’t have much evidence along those lines. We are currently investigating his background to look for other possible crimes he may be tied to, especially arsons and homicides.

The suspect is no longer employed and we believe he is on disability, but in the past he worked at different jobs, including handyman and electrician.

Suspect – Social Aspects

The suspect has strong, warm feelings towards his two grown children and seems to have a great relationship with them.

The suspect has a new girlfriend about his age who may be a native ethnic White of the region. She is a kind, sweet, gentle lady who absolutely adores the suspect and nearly worships him as a god. They appear to have a stable, warm, loving relationship. She is apparently completely clueless about his dark side.

Relations with the ex-wife are not known. Some say that the suspect has strong hatred for his ex-wife, but this is uncertain.

The suspect has a circle of warm friends with whom he has good relations. These are very masculine, tough, hard, outdoorsy men of about the same age who think he is completely on the up and up. We believe he’s fooling them all.

The suspect can seem quite warm and friendly, “like your best friend.” He is easy to befriend, when befriended seems charming and disarming, and seems increasingly harmless the more you get to know him.

Suspect – Psychological Profile

The subject has Axis 2 Cluster B pathology. The suspect is a psychopath and has narcissism/Narcissistic Personality Disorder/Malignant Narcissism. He has no Axis 1 Disorders. He is not psychotic. In fact, he is very sane, almost too sane, and that is part of how he gets away with his crimes. There are no signs of mood disorder. The suspect appears calm with little or no anxiety issues.

The suspect is strongly heterosexual. Although rage and hatred towards females seems apparent with the crime the suspect may have committed, these feelings are otherwise not obvious in his life. The suspect sometimes displays hostility to women. A lot of men do this when provoked, but he does it with little provocation, and his reactions are quite extreme, often including rape and death threats.

The suspect is very masculine in the manner of many middle-aged men in the area. He is a hard, tough man who uses foul language and has a rough and sometimes menacing way of speaking.

The suspect seems normal, but the following concepts also describe him well: sneaky, devious, unreadable, slick, bad boy, naughty, playful, outlaw, gleam in his eye, and rebellious. He appears to be hiding something or keeping a secret. There is a general feeling of what you see is not what you get.

The suspect is the ultimate chameleon. He is an enigma, puzzling and hard to figure out, an actor who sees life as a series of roles. He does not appear suspicious to most observers. Instead he hides in plain sight and blends right in with society. He is very capable of fooling people, an Academy award-winning actor who sees life is an endless series of roles to be played based on whatever the needs of the given situation may be.

The suspect is capable of fooling people so easily because he is a sneaky, devious, underhanded, conspiring and plotting man. Most of his actions are well plotted and planned, even calculated to the point of being choreographed. The suspect displays little spontaneity other than regular rages.

His IQ is surely within the 84-116 normal range (2/3 of the population) and probably within the 90-110 range (half the population), though he may be towards the lower end. However, the suspect is much more intelligent than he appears and possesses a sheer animal, devious, and cunning intelligence. In terms of this sort of intelligence, he has a genius IQ. He is a very hard man to fool, and he is an expert at reading others.

The suspect has a violent hair-trigger temper which can be set off at any time with little provocation. Although he has committed acts of serious violence in the past, this temper nevertheless generally takes a verbal rather than physical form and consists of menace, threats, stalking, harassment, terrorizing and intimidation.

The suspect takes little or no responsibility for his actions and blames others for everything. He attacks others and then claims to be acting in self-defense.

The suspect is a pathological liar. Reactions when caught in his pathological lying are temper tantrums, rage, ranting, and veiled threats via angry and menacing language.

In his court cases, the suspect engaged in shameless, pathological, defensive lying and blaming of others.

The suspect has the following life themes:

  • You can’t win.
  • They’ve got it in for me.
  • Life is a game.
  • I’m fooling them.

Suspect – Verbal Style

The suspect has a versatile verbal style and can seem sentimental, poetic, moving and even philosophical. He is capable of fooling people into thinking he is a person who cares deeply about life’s small and kind wonders.

Verbal defenses are denial, rage, rants, and especially redirection. Other defenses include an excellent ability at distracting people and directing attention away from what is important. For this, he utilizes red herrings, irrelevancies, redirection, minor details, fussing, wrong turns, wrong directions, wrong way streets, and misdirection.

The suspect is also a storyteller and likes to tell long, rambling, colorful, Mark Twain-style stories that tell it like it is about what seem to be ordinary people and communities but in fact are anything but. He can be entertaining in this role. He turns off some who find him a quasi-literate blowhard, but others find him endearing, as his stories could be seen as charming.

Suspect – Appearance, Lifestyle, Habits, Beliefs and Opinions

Appearance

The suspect has one large tattoo on his upper right front shoulder. We do not know what this is a tattoo of.

Lifestyle

The suspect has some sort of gang ties with the Aryan Brotherhood (AB), possibly as a result of his incarceration. We have photographs of the suspect throwing Aryan Brotherhood gang signs. Nevertheless, we have little evidence that he is a White Supremacist, and on his social media pages, he comes across as an anti-racist, even a coastal liberal variety. He may have only joined the AB for protection in prison.

The suspect appears to be a carefree practical joker who lives a playful, laid back, easy-going lifestyle where most things are jokes, and little is to be taken seriously. He is the life of the party.

Habits

The suspect is a regular drug user. He mostly uses marijuana, which he enjoys a lot.

The suspect was formerly a very heavy drinker, and many problems, especially legal ones, resulted from this. We believe he may now be sober.

Beliefs and Opinions

The suspect’s philosophical outlook can be summed up as a cynical one that humans are lowly animals who are corrupt at their core and are driven by low, base interests. He accuses LE and small town government people in the local area of being incorrigibly corrupt. His reaction to the picture he paints of Tobacco Road sleaze in the underbelly of Mayberry RFD small town White America is offended, cynical, fatalistic and somewhat disgusted – the good citizen outraged by omnipresent sleazy corruption.

The suspect has a very low opinion of LE in Delphi and the surrounding area, as he claims that they ran him out of town as a habitual drunk driving offender. He has a grudge against local LE.

The suspect’s political beliefs are quite liberal. He comes across as an aging hippie type, unusual for Indiana.

Suspect – Role in the Investigation

The suspect has inserted himself deeply in the investigation to an almost unprecedented degree. He is now one of the most well-known people who are “trying to find the killer.” We believe he is doing this in part to try to divert attention away from himself, but another factor seems to be narcissism, possibly even Malignant Narcissism, which means he can’t help himself. He loves the limelight and the sound of his own voice and is something of a publicity hound. We al so believe he likes the idea that he is hiding right under the noses of everyone and getting away with it and thinks this is all some sort of a joke.

The suspect’s attitude towards the investigation is hard to figure. We believe he is nervous and fearful of being caught but also sees the whole thing as a hilarious game of cat and mouse. He’s thinks he’s fooling LE and all of society, getting away with murder, and hiding right under their noses. He also seems to be playing a game of, “Neener neener. I’m the killer, and you’ll never catch me ha ha!” In this sense he resembles the Zodiac Killer and the BTK Killer.

The suspect sought out LE (FBI) early in the investigation in order to leave a tip. We have a video of him calling in this phone tip.

We believe he did this as part of a plan to frame an innocent man. We believe he was originally going to commit this crime and then lay low, but that changed after he was photographed and recorded on audio. Over the next month we believe he then formulated an elaborate case to try to frame an innocent man, a former workmate who he had had a falling out with. This consisted of a very long and elaborate theory which did not make much sense on examination. Further, the man he attempted to frame did not seem like the type to do such a crime. The suspect also included a number of videos as part of this plan. He then went out on the Internet and tried to promulgate this theory on a number of websites and on Facebook and Youtube. He was fairly successful at this until some people started catching on to his scheme.

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Lies of My Haters

I wasn’t going to answer this stuff, but I think I really need to because this poison just keeps going around, and it needs to be countered. Every time I counter this stuff, it never seems to help with the haters, and it seems like it just makes them hate me even more. All of my explanations are warped into more proof that I am sick and evil.

Here is the entire thread. I will go through this bit by bit.

New to this sub…the threads at WS are way too long and rehashing the same discussions over and over, so I admit I am a little out of the loop on this case. Glad to have found this sub though. Anyway, I was doing some reading today on this case and came across blog by a guy named Robert Lindsay. He claims he has all of these inside sources that tell him rumors that he is “100% sure are true”.

He also states rumors as facts, which is super-unprofessional. His claims sound like a huge load of bullshit to me. He also seems kind of creepy to me…a little TOO involved/obsessed with the case. His blog made me uncomfortable to read honestly. Has anyone else come across his blog? If so, what do you guys think? Sorry if this isn’t allowed.. mods please feel free to delete.

How many times do I have to repeat that my beliefs are my beliefs only, and that things are that I believe, even with full confidence, are still simply beliefs which can be proven wrong at any time as any non-fact can? I don’t state rumors as facts. This is one of the most pernicious lies about me, and I am really sick of it.

I am really tired of the line that I say that I have all these inside sources. I have no inside sources whatsoever. I have no LE sources whatsoever. I have almost no sources in the families. All I have is locals who work with me and tell me whatever the latest dirt that is flowing around is. If you don’t like my theories, you hillbillies need to go look in the mirror. All my theories came right out of Delphi and the surrounding area. The problem is you, not me. You’re the ones who came up with these ideas.

The idea that I am too involved in the case is sickening. What’s this supposed to imply? That I get off on this sort of thing? This is another lie that I hear all the time. No, I do not get off on this sort of thing. I am sure many men do though, mostly in their fantasy lives. I am not a sexual sadist, and I don’t really enjoy sadistic porn, although I have seen it. I am not even really into S/M, B/D, which is becoming a legitimate Cultural Left orientation.

It’s just not my thing. I don’t have sexual fantasies that involve raping and murdering women. Of course I have sexual fantasies about all sorts of things, but rape and murder sex is just not my bag. Never have. I don’t do it, and don’t wish to do it. It doesn’t get me off. At all. This is libelous, by the way. You have no idea what my sexual proclivities are. The idea that you can read my stuff and figure out what gets me off sexually is crazy. This is an example of retarded thinking. You wonder why very high IQ types get sick of normal IQ folks. Because we have to deal with their retarded thinking all the time. This type of retarded thinking is called:

  • If you write about it, then you like it and/or do it.
  • If you talk about it, then you like it and/or do it.
  • If you write or talk about things that a type of person does, then you are one of those types of people.

It’s one of the stupidest types of retard thinking out there, but the majority of people think exactly this way. It’s also extremely Normie way of thinking, and Normies suck.

It made you uncomfortable to read because I discussed some of the gruesome rumors surrounding what happened in this crime. These are rumors now, but we will learn the facts one day. There’s nothing creepy, sick or evil in reporting what rapist-murderer maniacs did to their victims. Nothing at all. It’s simply reporting facts. Yes, the facts of rape-murders are typically gruesome and awful, but they are still facts, and there’s nothing wrong with discussing the details of horrible crimes.

[–]heavymetalismetal 24 points 28 days ago
He’s just out to make a buck off of gullible, lonely, bored people. He states he has all these degrees and credentials, but he does not have steady employment. He whines about his car repairs and his broken air conditioning. Reminding people that if they want to comment on his blog they should pony up.

Latest I read was when he accused Libby’s much older uncle having a sexual relationship with her and that Abby was pregnant by her thirteen year old boyfriend, so they kidnapped the girls, took them to a barn, tried to give Abby a DIY abortion, but whoops! Things got out of hand so the girls were murdered to shut them up.

And I also love the post he made about what he would do with the reward money once he got it.

His blog is like watching a car accident, I tune in just to see if he’s been charged with something yet.

I’m out to make a buck! I’m out to get rich! Last year I made $14,000. It’s been that way for many years. What’s wrong with making money? This is my job, and I work very hard at it. I request to be paid for my labor. When you do your job, are you making a buck off your gullible boss? Of course not. He’s paying you for your labor. Do you work for free? Of course not. Why should I work for free? Give me a reason. Any way you can legally make money is pretty much acceptable. We all have to survive. I feel this is a perfectly legitimate way to earn an income.

I do have degrees. Is it evil that I point that out?

Yes, I do not have steady employment in the form of a 9-5 job working for a stranger if that is what you mean. That is due to health reasons. Instead, I am self-employed. You got a problem? Before that, I worked at all sorts of jobs, including a number of professional occupations.

I am not understanding this critique. First I get slammed for trying to earn an income. Then I get slammed for not having a steady job? Why don’t I have to have a steady job? This is more retard thinking. Retard thinking says all adults must have this thing called “a steady job.” Like Hell you do. All adults should try to earn enough money to survive. You don’t need a steady job or a regular job or any of that crap. You can make money any way you want. The idea that everyone has to have a “steady regular job” is retard thinking, and it’s just more Normie crap.

I whine about car repairs and broken air conditioning. One thing I hate about the Net is this bizarre idea that anyone who complains is whining. No ever complains on the Net. All complaining is automatically whining. This is more Normie garbage, and it’s more retard thinking. We all complain. I have known many people who needed to have expensive repairs on their vehicles. Every single one of them complained about it. It’s a normal human thing to do. Only psycho Normie retards think it’s “whining” to complain about unfortunate circumstances.

That is correct. Regular commenters need to pay. This is more Normie crap. Normie idiots think bloggers have no right to charge for their blogs. There are pay websites all over the net. Many blogs and forums and sites run by writers charge money for some or all of their content. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s Normie retard thinking to believe that there is something wrong with Net writers charging for content.

The reason I “accused Libby’s much older uncle of having sex with her” is because that is what it appeared that he was stating on his Facebook. With a photo of him and Libby in the background, he was talking to another man and telling how he had sex with an underage girl. The other man said, “But she’s only 14.” In addition, there is a long-standing rumor in Delphi that this man had sexual affairs with Libby or her sister or both. I have no idea if any of that is true, and in the piece, I stated that there is no evidence that CP has ever had sex with an underage girl. Given his statements and the widespread rumors along those lines, it was legitimate to report this rumor.

“Abbie was pregnant by her 13 year old boyfriend.”

Actually the boyfriend is 16 years old. Blame the women of the Delphi area. This “Abby was pregnant” rumor came right out of town and was a huge rumor for a long time. I will report on all major rumors.

“…so they kidnapped the girls, took them to a barn, tried to give Abby a DIY abortion, but whoops! Things got out of hand so the girls were murdered to shut them up.”

The rumors were that the girl was pregnant and that she was found with a stake driven through her belly. The source of these rumors was women in the town of Delphi itself. With the pregnancy and the stake as our evidence, a good theory would indeed be a botched abortion theory. In any case with facts like that, you would have to consider a theory like that. The theory made perfect sense in light of the rumors.

And I also love the post he made about what he would do with the reward money once he got it.

Yes, I said I wanted to give some of it to the families. Aren’t I a horrible person for saying that? WTF is wrong with that, Normie retards?

[–]itsjesssa 16 points 28 days ago
I was reading the comments on his blog and he banned a dude for (what seemed to me) getting more attention than him. And he practically begs for “donations”. Plus he’s creepy as hell.

The man was banned for violating the Comments Rules. Go read the rules. If you come to my site, you have to follow the rules. If you don’t, you get banned. Why do you Normie retards have such an issue with that?

I don’t beg for donations. They are seldom mentioned. Anyway, requests for donations are very common with many Net journalists. Some of them are quite insistent about it. I don’t blame them. They deserve to be paid for their labor.

“I’m creepy.”

All this creepy bullshit comes from the fact that I discussed the gruesome details of the crime. Some of the details were sexual. So that makes me a creep. What a retarded way of thinking. PS, in Meatspace no one thinks I am a creep. Women and girls have loved me ever since I was ~17 or so, and they still do. It’s always been that way. Creepy guys scare women off. I don’t. I’m the flower, females are the bees.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 15 points 27 days ago
I still can’t tell if that pic on his website is him or a serial killer. I’m not being sarcastic. Those glasses are creepy as fuck

What Normie retard crap. This is the usual Normie thing. Guys with glasses somehow look like rapists, murderers and child molesters. But they don’t. Most such folks do not wear glasses, and people like that almost never look nerdy or dorky. Instead, they look like mean, nasty Alpha criminals. And thank you for libeling me by calling me a serial killer.

–]aqua7 11 points 27 days ago
that’s a very old picture
[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 19 points 27 days ago
Here is a recent photo of me having dinner with a gorgeous young woman. We are pretty much the same age at heart, although I am 31 years older than she is. Oh one more thing. And she’s a model! I never thought at age 60 I would be dating 28 year old models! Do you know what’s even better than that? I still get 18 year old girls! I am almost 60 and I still date hot 18 year old girls! So proud of myself![ 283 more words ]
lmfao

[–]heavymetalismetal 15 points 27 days ago
Ew. What does a twenty something year old professional model see in an unemployed old man with no car?

[–]itsjesssa 14 points 27 days ago
Oh dear god no. He reminds me of this kid I went to school with who was very nerdy and awkward and had no friends so he would make up these outlandish claims and that made him have even less friends.
Or..ya know…Napoleon Dynamite’s brother, Kip.

[–]JamesonJenn 3 points 13 days ago
Kips got more class.

[–]TheAmazingMaryJane 7 points 18 days ago
Like a model is going to eat all that food in a crappy cheap place (what IS on that plate!!) with a dude.

[–]aqua7 6 points 27 days ago
;-)~

[–]theawesomefactory 6 points 25 days ago
Gross.

[–]Hephf 5 points 24 days ago
Geezus.

[–]Supreme000 10 points 27 days ago
LMAO! Thanks for posting this. Now that certainly puts it into perspective, don’t it? Old and delusional. The rantings of a madman.

Bit by bit here.

“What does a twenty something year old professional model see in an unemployed old man with no car?”

I do have a car. We took her car, by the way. She drove eight hours to visit me. There are all sorts of models. Many don’t make a lot of money, like catalog models. I’ve dated model types most of my life, and I still do to this very day. I get hot women with no money and no regular job. I am almost 60, and I still get 18-28 year old women. You tell me how I do this. Some young women still think I am cute or handsome, and my Game is out of this world. I know how to get women. I’ve been doing this since I was a teenager. There’s an art to it, and I’ve got it down.

“Like a model is going to eat all that food in a crappy cheap place (what IS on that plate!!) with a dude.”

She didn’t eat all that food. She gave a lot of hers to me to take home to eat. It’s not a cheap crappy place. It’s a Oaxacan restaurant that serves authentic food from Oaxaca, Mexico. The food is excellent. It’s not the fanciest place, but you can get unreal food in some pretty humble joints. Anyone knows that. The food on the plate is called “clayuda.” Yes, she did eat with me, and as a matter of fact, she even took that photo.

It’s only people on the Net who think I can’t get women. No one in Meatspace thinks that, apparently because I don’t look like the type of guy who can’t get laid. More like the opposite.

“Old and delusional. The rantings of a madman.”

It’s all true. Want to call her up and talk to her? I’ll give you her #, and you can see for yourself.

[–]kateykatey 13 points 28 days ago
Yeah, his is probably the most infamous blog related to this case.
I think he’s a sad old man typing one handed trying to feel important honestly. There’s some of his theories that I can get on board with (e.g. the barn nearby was the kill site, their throats were slit, the recording is 40 minutes long and mostly screaming) but some of them are so out of left field I don’t know how he can post them with a straight face. The comments are often quite interesting though! Lots of valuable insight and theories from locals.

I’m not sad; I am pretty happy. I’m not old; I am middle aged. I don’t type one-handed. More libel suggesting I type with my dick in my hand.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 10 points 27 days ago
My problem is he states theories as facts. For instance he calls the barn “the kill site” without any real fact to prove that is the kill site. I agree its a plausible theory.. but for the time being it’s just that – a theory.

How many times have we gone over the “states theories as facts” lie? Our theory was that the barn was the kill site, and by the way, we had some excellent reasons for feeling that way. As in evidence.

[–]aqua7 6 points 27 days ago
He takes info from other places and forums. He has yet to back up any of his claims. There are a few interesting comments, but not much.

How many times have we dealt with this retard thinking about “stealing other people’s theories?” Did they patent their theories? Did they copyright their facts? This site is a clearinghouse for all of the theories and rumors surrounding this murder case. Of course I roam all over the Net looking for theories and rumors on other sites. That’s where I get a lot of my material. That’s what we do here: collate theories and rumors from websites and sources and throw them out there and evaluate them. This thinking that somehow people have copyrighted or patented the rumors or theories that they report is truly bizarre. It’s very stupid thinking for idiots.

He has yet to back up any of his claims.

This is not true. Some of the things I reported I listed law enforcement and the media as sources. Most of the rest is theory, and there’s nothing to back it up with because no facts have been released. I don’t back up my theories with facts because it’s not possible to do so. Truly retarded thinking! How can one back up one’s theories with facts when no such facts exist? What a stupid way to think.

[–]Supreme000 13 points 27 days ago*
He’s creepy, and he makes some awful accusations based on “supposed” town gossip, and his own crazy opinions. He has no sources. He’s reckless with his opinions and what he is saying about the girls is criminal. He says young girls their age are masturbating daily and will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man! He’s twisted.

It is in fact town gossip. I have had sources, almost all women, in and around that town since I started writing this stuff. Everything stated as a Delphi theory comes right out of women in that town and surrounding areas. Take it up with those women why they are spreading “awful accusations.”

He has no sources.

I suppose this is more libel. You know this how? You have no way to know this. I have a BA in journalism. Of course I have sources, and I know how to cultivate them. We learned that in J-school. I am an expert at obtaining and cultivating sources.

He’s reckless with his opinions, and what he is saying about the girls is criminal.

How? The girls? Both of them? What did I say about them that I can be arrested for? Is this about Abby being pregnant? Go talk to the women around Delphi because they were the source of that very strong rumor going around for sometime.

He says young girls their age are masturbating daily and will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man! He’s twisted.

This really needs a separate post. I did a quick and dirty study ages of certain puberty milestones. While I was collecting that data on forums, the girls were asking each other how often they masturbated. I didn’t intend to collect that data, but there it was, so I wrote it down. In a study with 50 girls age 13-15, 70% of them reported masturbating daily or near-daily. If you think that’s horrible, go take it up with the girls who are diddling themselves. And if you think I made that up (Why would I do that?), go do your own study and prove me wrong.

The actual impetus for the study was driven by an anti-pedophile notion of mine. Yes, I did that study as part of an anti-pedophile project. I have had to do a lot of research on pedophiles as part of my work. I found that pedos often say that kids 12-under have a very strong sex drive and even try to seduce the pedos. I very much doubted it was true, but I wanted to see if it was or not.

There was almost no data on the sexuality of young children, which is almost criminal right there. What little I found indicated that young children do not have an actual physical sex drive in the same way that mature persons do. Mature persons have an actual physical drive. It’s in their bodies. More specifically, young girls do not lubricate, and young boys cannot ejaculate. Nor do young girls get the “pleasant pain/tingling sensation in the stomach/abdomen” which is a very common symptom of the physical sex drive in mature females.

After figuring out that kids have no sex drive, the next thought I had was, “Well OK, so when does the sex drive come on anyway?” I honestly had no idea, and the data was about zero. I wanted to know the age at which the sexless world of young children because the highly sexualized world of the mature person. So I went off to the forums to learn this. I also collected data on age of breast budding and pubic hair onset because that is interesting to me. Many people find the age of onset of puberty an interesting subject, and many articles are written about it mostly because the age of puberty seems to be dropping. I also felt that the sex drive comes on at the same time as menarche, which makes sense.

And it’s in their minds too. Mature persons fantasize about sex with others a lot. It appears that young children do not think this way. When I was a kid, I think I thought about sex maybe five minutes out of a year.

So there you have it. A quick and dirty study driven by me trying to disprove a pedophile lie.

will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man!

With 70% of 3-15 year old girls masturbating every day or near every day, I would say the sex drive comes on pretty damn strong nowadays. If you believe otherwise, do a study that shows I am wrong.

Some 13 year old girls seduce men. It’s usually the stepfather or Mom’s boyfriend. It happens. I think they do not do this very often though. But as girls climb upwards in age to 14…15…and up, girls that age definitely seduce men. Hell, I had a 12 year old girl openly proposition me when I was 20. She walked right up to me and asked me to have sex with her. A 13 year old girl openly propositioned me in front of the whole class at age 27 when I was teaching school.

At age 20, I had 14 and 16 year old girls asking me out on dates regularly. A number of my friends have been seduced by teenage girls. Often they openly proposition young men. They are not very sophisticated about it.

Some men prey on these girls, but almost all sex with adult men and teenage girls is very consensual. The girls are very willing and usually enjoy it. Most of the time they refuse to testify against the man. It’s not uncommon for them to run off with the men.

He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man!

OK first of all, it is not possible to molest a teenage girl. You can only molest little girls. With teenage girls, it’s statutory rape or illegal intercourse. And yes, they often do seduce the men. That’s been my experience and that of my friends anyway.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 21 points 27 days ago
Honestly. I wish LE would look into this guy. Not even just in regards to this case, but in general. He is a fucking creep.

Wow, more libel. Telling police to check me out as a possible sex criminal. Libelous as Hell. PS, the police in Indiana know me well and I have spoken with some of them at length. They were very friendly.

–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 17 points 27 days ago
He enjoys discussing young girls in a sexual and sadistic manor wayyyyy too much for my liking. He seems to REALLY get his jollies off telling these weird fantasy “rumors”.

More retard thinking.

If you write about rape-murders of teenage girls, that means you enjoy writing about it!

How the Hell do you know if I like to write about this stuff? Actually I do not like to write about teenage girls in a sadistic sexual way. That’s yucky for me. I’m not into sexual sadism.

By the way, that’s libel saying I enjoy writing about this stuff.

He seems to REALLY get his jollies off telling these weird fantasy “rumors”.

More retard thinking. If you write about sick rape murders, then that means you enjoy the idea of raping and murdering! Incredible. More retard thinking.

  • If you write about it, then you like it.

Completely retarded way to think.

[–]itsjesssa 12 points 27 days ago
AND the masturbation habits of YOUNG girls?!?! Its on his site somewhere. I had to scroll the fuck away from that one.

The masturbation habits was a result of a study I undertook to try to disprove a pedophile lie. It was an anti-pedophile study. The girls were discussing their masturbation habits, so I decided to write that down. If you are so weird and upset about teenage girls having a sex drive, go over to the forums and tell those girls to stop writing about how often they diddle themselves.

“Omg did you see where he was talking about a “study” he did that teenage brothers and sisters almost always have sex with each”

More libel! I said no such thing. I did write an article about brother-sister sex because I always thought it was uncommon. But in reading around, I started noticing that brothers and sisters were having a lot more sex then I ever suspected. I was actually shocked at how much of this was going around. There is even a Reddit group dedicated to this sort of thing, and there are many posters on there, including adult brothers and sisters who are still carrying on. I never said that “brothers and sisters almost always have sex with each other.” I do not believe that is the case. However this sort of thing is more common than I thought.

More retarded thinking.

  • If you write about it, then you do it.

If you write about brother-sister incest, then you like it. Retarded Normie thinking. I have no opinion on brother-sister sex. I have a sister, but honestly I never thought about her like that.

[–]Supreme000 10 points 27 days ago
He has a very twisted view of young girls. Yes, goes into way too much detail regarding young girls, or his delusions of young girls.

My little study again. So go do your own. Prove I am wrong.

“His is the only site that is making outrageous claims that for me, boarder on slinging mud at these young girl’s reputations if they are not true.”

The “Abby was pregnant” rumor came straight from women in Delphi. How does being pregnant ruin her reputation? You can’t ruin her reputation. She’s dead. It’s not possible to defame the dead. Go look it up. Anyway, these things happen. Teenage girls, even young teenage girls, do get pregnant. The fact that these people think that is an insult shows their hatred of sex and puritanism. A teenage girl who gets pregnant is not a bad person. A stupid person? Yes. A bad person? No. This is Puritanical thinking.

–]gretagogo 8 points 27 days ago

Me too!!!! Especially after reading his “study” of the young teens.

Boy that study really pissed you off, didn’t it? Does the truth hurt? So go prove me wrong. Do you own study and show I am wrong.

[–]erictalkssoccer 13 points 24 days ago
He is a fucking asshole. Here is a post of his from a year ago, before he had reached any level of notoriety for his Delphi articles.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/sexual-asssault-for-beginners
Here is a quote (and no, this is not tongue-in-cheek):
“Have fun sexually assaulting women, guys!
But be very careful, and don’t get carried away. A jail cell is not a fun place to be. I have been in those cages a couple of times. You probably never want to go there at all if you can help it.”

This is one of the worst ones of all. People do not understand what sexual assault is. Do you realize that any time you put your hands on a woman without her giving explicit permission, you are engaging in sexual assault? It’s true. But if you are ever to get anywhere with females in this world, you are going to have to start touching them. Grabbing them. Putting your hands on them. Generally speaking, this is done on dates, but it doesn’t have to be.

If she makes a certain move, then you can absolutely grab her, start kissing her, whatever you want. That’s if she starts touching you.

Outside of dating, I have generally done this only when they started touching me first. But on a date, Hell yeah, you better start touching her!

You also need to do it in any sort of pickup situation where you just met a female, and it seems like a pickup. You met her at a party, or at school or wherever. You start hanging around together and pretty soon, you are spending the whole day with her. Every time you turn around, there she is. Pickup situation! Start touching her, dammit!

Or if you are over at her place. You can start touching her or even grabbing her. Do it!

You have to be very careful how you do this, and I do not recommend doing it to female strangers in public unless you are insane. If you do not do this right, especially if you are in public and you do it to a stranger, you can cause a scene, get the cops called on you, have some guy in the vicinity get in your face and order you to leave, and if you don’t leave, he may punch you. Worst of all is if police come and she decides to file charges.

It’s pretty much a chickenshit charge, going after a guy who touched you in public. So he touched you in public? So what! Tell him to stop. Firmly. In an angry voice.

But that doesn’t mean a woman don’t do it. Women file chickenshit charges against men all the time.

If you start touching a woman and she gets angry at some point and starts pushing you away or firmly and angrily says no, you really need to just stop. A lot of guys don’t, but that’s lousy behavior, and to me, it is very rapey. I try not to do that. It has to be consensual. I am not a rapist.

I had a naked woman wandering around my house for two hours the other night. She was my maid. I got her naked, took a shower with her, and got to touch her a bit, but she wasn’t putting out at all. She just wandered around my place for two hours stark naked, refusing to put out. I think that was lousy behavior on her part. Finally I caught her in the dining room with a syringe and a spoon getting ready to shoot meth in my place. I threw her out pretty quickly after that.

I would like to point out that a lot of men would have just raped her. They would say that if you get naked and wander around some guy’s house for two hours, you are saying you want to have sex and also consenting to it. I don’t agree. It’s false advertising, but I’m not a rapist. I refuse to rape a woman even if she’s pretty much asking for it, and some are.

[–]gretagogo 10 points 27 days ago
Someone else posted about him on a different thread in here and I chimed in with many of the same feelings as you. What’s really bizarre is the next day or so after that I was looking at his blog and he addressed what people say about him and he quoted what someone replied to me with. I’ll have to see if I can find it. It just really creeped me out.

That’s right. You think you can go on the Net and talk crap about me all day, and I’m not going to respond to your hater ass? Don’t think so!

[–]indigoworm 10 points 22 days ago
This man seems very disturbed. I was excited when I saw such a comprehensive blog about the Delphi Murders as I have struggled to find a good one. When I saw his, I was hopeful to learning more about the case and possible theories. What I ended up getting was the ranting and ravings of a mad man. When he cites his sources, it is a few words at the end of the paragraph. Really helpful, buddy.

Furthermore, he think Damian Echols is a Satanist. He presents himself as oh so intelligent, but he is a buffoon. The only thing he knows is the various types of pedophiles and that is probably because it’s his #1 hobby. It really pains me that he is exploiting this horrible murder to get donations and it continuously spreading misinformation. So sad….

I started stating my sources after each allegation because scum like you were freaking out and screaming that I had no named sources. First place, I do not have to name my sources. I have a BA in Journalism, and naming your sources is not required and in fact is a very bad idea. You know a person is a retard if they start screaming, “Name your sources!” or “Lindsay refuses to name his sources!” These people never took a journalism course. I got this with the retarded Bigfoot scum and now I get it with the retarded Delphi scum.

I fail to see how my saying Damien Echols is a Satanist makes me insane or not credible. It’s an open question, and many people do say he is a Satanist or at least he was one, and judging by his recent actions, he still is. I studied the case for a long time, and my conclusion is that Damien Echols is a Satanist. It’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion based on the evidence. Only a scum would say one lacks credibility for making such a conclusion.

[–]FrankieHellis 7 points 25 days ago
When I first came across his blog, I was excited and I subscribed. Within a day or two, I became unexcited and unsubscribed. That dude has some issues.

In fact, I do not have much in the way of issues. I am actually under the care of mental health professionals, and there is not much wrong with me. No affective disorder. No personality disorder. No psychotic disorder. I do have an anxiety disorder for which I take medication and hence the psychiatrist. I fail to see how having an anxiety disorder makes one insane or have issues. It’s run of the mill stuff.

[–]borderhorizon 6 points 25 days ago
“Robert Lindsay” is a pathological megalomaniac. His presumptions regarding motive and method are the precipitate of years of agonizing self-analysis. An analysis into the abyss of his own desperately wicked soul. He’s a social arsonist who is obsessed with starting a fire…and then coming to the rescue to solve it. In addition to posting a sophomoric criminal analysis, it would follow that he’s been unsuccessful in various ventures in life.

None of this is true. My best therapist insists that I do not have Narcissistic Personality Disorder and I do not suffer from pathological narcissism, in short, I am not a narcissist. He says I have “high self-esteem,” and if you want to equate self-esteem with narcissism as many clinicians do, then that counts as high narcissism, but high narcissism (high self-esteem) is not considered a disorder. In fact, it is usually considered a sign of mental health.

I have worked a variety of jobs all through my life, good ones and bad ones, and I do not believe I have failed at any of them.

Well on a construction crew, at a factory and at a warehouse driving a forklift, I could not seem to get the hang of it and was fired for doing a poor job, but I gave them all 100% of my effort. I am not worried about failing  at a variety of poorly-paid working class jobs. I have also had a number of relatively prestigious jobs, and I have not failed at any of them. In fact, I have a couple of jobs now working for myself, and I am doing quite well at both of them.

I have been under the care of mental health professionals (clinical psychologists and psychiatrists mostly) for much of the past 25 years. This is because I get regular treatment for an anxiety disorder. I’m sure that if I was seriously disturbed in some evil and dangerous way they would have caught it and pointed it out by now. In terms of dangerousness, mostly they say that I am harmless, but I will fight very hard to defend myself, and I mouth off to people who insult me or attack me.

I do not think our criminal analysis is sophomoric. I know for a fact that LE officers in at least two states read here. They requested passwords to the private forum and were given them. If this site had nothing but junk, I do not see why they would read here.

[–]otistoole 7 points 15 days ago
I’ve been familiar with this guy for years. He has to add his 2 cents to everything, from Sasquatchery to sociology. He is quite arrogant and unpleasant. He revels in being more intelligent than most everyone else. I really don’t think he is half as smart as he likes to believe he is.

In my opinion, he really just needs a good, solid ass-kicking. Seems like no one in his life cared enough yet to correct him or counter his megalomaniacal fantasies, and sometimes there’s nothing left to do for a person like this except to bust him in his damn mouth.

A guy named Otis Toole insulted me! I’m so hurt!

Yes, I have opinions on many different things. What’s wrong with that? That means I am a polymath and a Renaissance Man. You got a problem?

I do not revel in being more intelligent than everyone else or most everyone else, even though I am. If you take 1,000 Americans and put them in a room, I am smarter than everyone in the room. On the contrary, it is rather lonely and alienating, and it upsets me when my brain tries to tell me that half the people I meet are Goddamned morons. I feel bad about thinking that way, and often wish I could shed 30 IQ points.

Not as smart as I think I am? I am in the .1% of intelligence in the US, as documented by repeated testing. That good enough for you?

I do not know what to say about this megalomania crap. Wouldn’t someone like that be automatically Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Is it possible to be a healthy megalomaniac? If you meet me, you might be surprised. It’s often said that I am shy and self-effacing in Meatspace.

[–]dbbwlkr 4 points 22 days ago
I said from the beginning how his picture looks like the BG. It looks like he shaded half his face to portray this…

I admit it. I am the Bridge Man. I killed those girls. I was in California at the time of course, but I killed them anyway. I aimed my black laser beam eyeballs at them, and that’s how I did it! I can kill from 2,000 miles away! I have mini cruise missiles in my eyeballs! All you haters better watch it!

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 11 points 27 days ago
He does really put himself out there though sharing his ideas which is pretty brave. I have to disagree that it’s brave to state outlandish theories from behind a computer screen. Now if he had the balls to say these things to the faces of Abby and Libby’s families, that might be “brave” (or just dickish, but you get my point)

In fact, I was emailing a member of Abby’s extended family for a while, and he donated generously to the site. He also praised my work. So there.

[–]Hunt4lindsay 2 points 7 days ago
I represent a group who can visit Mr. Lindsay. We need someone to set him out on where he can regularly be located.

This can be none other than Brad Holder and his nutcase son Jason, Abby’s former boyfriend. Just what I need. An antisocial devil-worshiping freak and his snotty little punk ass son are coming after me. As if I did not have enough problems.

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Soft Rock from the 1960’s: Scott McKenzie “San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)”

God I love this song! And I still love the hippies, too. If there’s anything we need to go back to, it’s that. It’s so painful to realize that the Flower Children of the 1960’s grew up to be a generation that voted in Donald Trump.

Or did they?

You must understand. Back in those days with Revolution in the air, maybe half the young people were part of the Movement and the other half hated it with all their guts and intensity. We never hear about them. There were as many young people for the war as against it. There were as many lining up outside ROTC buildings as there were bombing them. The campuses were full of short-haired conservatives, members of Buckley’s Young Americans for Freedom. Sometimes it played out in the streets, when rightwing construction workers and even bikers assaulted hippies. It’s true. Bikers have always been conservatives and still are to this very day. I’m sure they all voted for Trump this time around.

What we saw in the 1990’s and 200’s was history replaying itself, but this time as farce. Bush and his minions – Rumsfeld, Cheney, the neoconservative Jews around Bill Kristol and his father Irving at Commentary, John Bolton, Condoleeza Rice, Colon Powell – these were the 60’s Generation too, but they were the other side of the mirror – the 60’s young conservatives who hated the Movement types as much as anyone’s parents did.

Clinton ruled for eight years, and he was the Hippie Movement Generation or the Revolutionary 1960’s in power even though he barely inhaled. One of the reasons he was so hated is because the Culture War of the 1960’s-1970’s with a generation split between Left and Right at each others’ throats trying to – sometimes successfully – kill each other, never really ended. There was no truce or even a ceasefire. Surely there was no peace deal.

And when Bush came in, he was the other side of the coin, this time the conservatives of the 1960’s – the squares as we derisively called them – had taken back over the reigns from their lifelong enemies. They did it by stealing elections, but they got in no matter what.

The 1960’s were replayed again under Barack Obama, this time even worse, with accusations of hobnobbing around with actual revolutionaries like Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn (these are still two of my heroes), former high-ranking members of the Weather Underground who lived underground for over a decade and resurfaced only to be pardoned of all charges.

Dohrn and Ayers resurfaced as Education Professors at the University of Chicago where they teach to this day. U of Chicago has a bad rap. Forget the Economics Department where the curse of neoliberalism was resurrected from the dead by Friedman and his gangsters who then went on to destroy Chile and poison the minds of generations. There’s a whole tradition of radicalism there too, especially in the social sciences and nowadays in the Education Department. Former bomb-throwing revolutionaries now tenured professors living comfortable lives in ivy-covered brick apartments? Who could have guessed?

Chicago’s a funny place. Sure you had the reactionary Tribune, but you also had Marshall Fields, a Leftist millionaire and head of a department store chain who funded huge pro-labor newspapers because they would die with ads they would never get. It’s a funny place, Left and Right all mixed in and in each other’s face, gripped at each other’s throats and choking hard, sort of like…the whole country now? N’est pas?

The reaction against the so-called Movement radicalism of Obama in power was of course the election of Trump on a fake populist platform, whose job it is apparently to roll back the entire Revolutionary Project of the 1960’s – and the New Deal of the 1930’s while they’re at it – and oh Hell, let’s go all the way back to Gilded Age of the 1890’s as Rove dreams. We’re already there anyway. What is the US from 1990-present but the Gilded Age Part 2, as if we never learned a thing the first time?

The infinite return coming back to punch us all in the face again. Cirlces aren’t all round. Some are flat in fact.

Riverrun, past Eve and Adams, from swerve of shore to bend of bay…

OK, you get it now?

 

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