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There is a new Delphi Murders thread up in the forum. We will be heading over there soon.
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Updated January 18: Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abigail Williams
This is a new update of the Delphi Murders. If you want a good backgrounder, I would ask you to look at this cumulative post that details all of the good cumulative evidence we have uncovered so far. It also details our latest theories about the crime.
New Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders Case!
This is the blockbuster news.
We can now state with 100% certainty that LE have a new Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders. This is important as the previous Person of Interest, Daniel Nations, did not pan out and is now said to not be a suspect. So this would be the second major Person of Interest after Nations. Our information is that both the FBI and the Indiana State Police are stating that this man is a Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders case.
We do know quite a bit about this man, as we also learned a lot about Nations. I have been thinking hard about how much I should reveal to you about this man. I have decided to reveal absolutely nothing about him in part to protect him as he may very well be innocent.
However, you might be able to figure out who this man is on your own if you smart. The information is sitting right out there on the open Internet for all to see. All you have to do is go find it!
Reasons for membership and paywall of the forum
This is also one of the reasons we went behind a members only paywall – that way we could sleuth to our hearts content anyone and everyone and accuse anyone of anything and not have to worry about libel or defamation charges. Also we are protecting the privacy of the people we are investigating by not putting our accusations and their personal information about them on the public web. The paywall is to protect the innocent until proven guilty people we are investigating!
In addition, our members themselves requested that paywall be put up so they could sleuth in peace. When we were free, we had suspects, trolls, spies and stalkers come into the group. They reposted our conversations all over the web, threw people out of Facebook groups, used the site to viciously attack us, especially on Topix, and last but not least, a number of our female members were stalked, pestered and had their personal information posted on the web. These women got very frightened by this intimidating behavior. I went paywall in part to protect the good women in my group from creepy stalkers, and the woman agreed with my decision.
If we are behind a paywall in a members’ only group, we can say whatever we want because it cannot be seen by the general public. It is as if you had a house, and you invited some people over to sleuth some crime. Inside the house, you accused or suspected various people of being killers, looked up their personal information, etc. Really behind the closed doors of a house, you can say anything and everything about anyone, and there’s no libel or defamation because no one can hear you. Libel and defamation is only possible when you put accusations out into the public media for anyone and everyone to see.
Why We Are Revealing Nothing about the POI
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. We do not want to send lynch mobs after people who have been convicted, much less charged or even arrested, of a crime. This man and everyone else being investigated in this case by us or other is entitled to his peace.
We have taken seriously some comments that LE have made about investigations being done in the open as opposed to behind closed doors. In our favor, we will say that LE released almost no information about this crime, and that inevitably set off a wild rumor mill and amateur sleuthing industry. What did they expect would happen? That is exactly what is going to happen when you release just about zero evidence.
I thought long and hard about this, and I concluded that the revealing information about this new Person of Interest would not benefit the investigation. We don’t want to get in the way LE’s investigation of this crime. We are here to help, not hinder.
False Statements about Websleuths “Interfering with the Investigation”
Also I would like to point out that mostly LE has been complaining about the side by side comparisons being posted on the web comparing various citizens to the composite. First of all, we have never done this on our public web. Show us one case where we ever put up a side by side with citizens’ photos next to media of the killer accusing anyone of anything. We do that in the paywalled forum all the time, but no one can see that, so it’s not a problem. Second of all, LE do not particularly care if you put up side by sides. It’s no skin off their back and it does not interfere with their investigation. Their only concern was that the people doing the side by sides were setting themselves up for libel and defamation charges.
In addition, LE were annoyed that web sleuthers were calling in so many lousy tips. It doesn’t screw up the investigation, but it wastes their time. We try not to do that here. It’s not common that we tell a member to call in a tip, but we do it sometimes.
LE have never accused any amateur sleuths ever of “interfering with the investigation” of these murders. Show us one place where they ever said that. Instead, they used that phrase a lot to describe revealing certain information to the public could harm the investigation. They only used that phrase to refer to themselves, not to others.
Conclusion about the Person of Interest
However, I can tell that there is good, hard evidence that both the FBI and the ISP are currently saying that this man is a Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders. It is sitting right out there on the Internet in plain view for everyone to see. And I am not going to tell you where to find it or even what type of webpage or media it is. You will have to do that for yourselves.
We get attacked all the time for changing our theories about the crime. But this is not a problem. We are simply following the scientific method here, and this is why we are always changing our theories. We get a theory and throw it up for now. Then we try to falsify it. We constantly test it so see if it is accurate. And at times, we try to resurrect falsified theories from the dead if can get evidence confirming them. For the most part our only sources have been the rumor mill, and while some good information has come out of the rumors, a lot of the information was flat out wrong.
It is said that we make up lies about this case. We have never made up one single lie about this case. All of our theories are backed up by rumors coming from other people or evidence that we have uncovered. We go over all of the rumors about the case all of the time and try to figure out which ones are credible and which are not or what degree of credibility they have. We try to find out the source of the rumor and how credible that person is. We look for other rumors that falsify that rumor and then try to figure out which is true, the rumor or its falsification.
This is actually very hard work and we don’t take it lightly. A lot of these rumors have not panned out due to our diligent efforts to falsify them, and this is the reason that our theories change a lot. But detectives are often always changing their theories and hypotheses about murder cases, and they give weight to rumors too, at least as potential leads to falsify or verify. So the same methods that we have been attacked so viciously for are actually standard detective procedures.
We have an excellent team including a physician, a psychologist, a graphic artist, and a sleuth who can actually do skip traces on cars, something that normally only LE are able to do it. Some private investigators also know how to skip trace, but many do not as it is very hard to do.
Possible Vehicle of Interest in the Crime
It took us a full four months to skip trace two suspected license numbers in this case. One went back to a rental car and another went back to a dealership. However, both of these different plates were on the exact same model, make and color of vehicle that was seen in Delphi that day. We do not know if we are dealing with two separate identical vehicles here (hence the two different plates) or if we are dealing with a single vehicle that had its plates switched right before the crime.
These vehicle(s) were seen at the trailhead at 3 PM (we have a copy of the social media post on that) and earlier in the day were photographed 7 miles south of Delphi with the license number written down. We have copies of all of those photos too. The license photographed that morning goes back to a rental car that was rented that day by a known suspect in the case (we discovered this via skip trace), but the license on the dealer’s drive-off paper plates seen at the trailhead at 3 PM on an identical car goes back to a dealer’s lot where this same make, model and color of car was parked, so at the moment, there is no way to connect the two vehicles, as the license numbers do not match up.
However, both plates match up to the exact same make, model and color of car, which is strange. If the killer switched the plates, he would have had to have known the make, model and color of the car he was going to rent to do the crime and then go to a dealers’ lot and steal paper plates off of a car with the exact same make, model and color of car as he was going to use to commit the crime that day. He would leave the rental car plates on in the morning, hence the photograph south of Delphi.
But right before the crime, he would have had to switch out the plates and replace the rental car plates with the paper drive-off plates. Our sleuth felt that the man photographed south of Delphi (we know who he is) who was photographed was innocent because the plates did not match up. She acknowledged that he could have gone this great length above to acquire plates for identical cars and then switch one out at the last minute, but she thought he would have to be a criminal mastermind to do that, and she felt that the man with the rental car was not smart enough to pull that off.
However, my opinion is that the man who did this crime is indeed a criminal mastermind in a lot of ways. I would say he committed the perfect crime except that I believe he will be caught at some point. He got away with it for a year though, with millions of eyes on him and the top LE detectives in the country on his tail, so I’d say he’s pretty slick. Maybe not quite slick enough though, hopefully.
I understand if you are completely confused right now and I apologize, but this case is like a labyrinth in so many ways.
Accusations about the Victims’ Sex Lives (If Any)
I would like to address one more thing.
It has been said that we have written that both girls were very sexually active or promiscuous. We never said any such thing. We speculated that one of them may have been sexually active due to a longstanding rumor that one of the girls were barely pregnant.
Our latest thinking is that it is not true according to Becky Patty. We took a tremendous amount of heat for that theory, but we didn’t start it. That rumor was flying all around Delphi and the surrounding area for some time. We spent months trying to falsify that rumor because it was creating so much bad publicity for us, but we were not able to do it until Becky Patty spoke up. I would like to thank Becky from the bottom of my heart for clearing up these rumors.
Our current opinion is that we have no idea if either girl was sexually active, although one had a boyfriend. We don’t feel that this question is important to the murder investigation. It might be interesting to the friends and family of the girls if they want to learn details about how these girls lived their lives, but it’s a personal matter for their friends and family. Bottom line is we don’t know the answer to that question and furthermore, it has no importance to the investigation, so we think people should stop talking about it.
Possible Crime Scene Photos Showing a Victim’s Body
This is the photo that we thought was of the one of the victims at the crime. It was taken from a news helicopter flying over the scene. The format was a long video, over 30 minutes. This photo was taken from a still from that video during a portion where the copter was flying over some woods, and there were numerous flashes going off. To us, it is obvious that those were crime scene photographers photographing the crime scene. Therefore, this had to be a crime scene photo showing a victim’s body, albeit in widely distorted and nearly unrecognizable form.
Just to show you how scientific we are, problems soon came up with this theory, and we had to seriously reevaluate it.
First of all, this photo is apparently from a different area that is not near the crime scene. Instead it is over by the cemetery. I was never able to prove this for myself, but a couple of my sleuths kept insisting that based on landmarks, this photo was nowhere near the crime scene. I will take their word for it for now.
Second, some have suggested that the “crime victim” in that photo is about 15 feet tall based on measurements. This was never proven to me either, but if it’s true, it rules out a victim’s body, as neither girl was anywhere near 15 feet tall.
We now have a 15 foot tall “victim’s body” in the wrong place away from the crime scene. So this photo looks like a dud.
However, there is a major problem with the theory that this photo is a dud. And that is all of those flashes going off in the woods. Obviously those are detectives photographing the crime scene or some scene associated with the crime. Why would they be away from the crime scene over by the cemetery photographing some part of the woods? Did the killer leave some evidence over there on his way out? That seems bizarre, and I still keep thinking this must be the crime scene.
So here we have a typical situation in science where something cannot be false and it cannot be true either. In science, we call this sort of thing a “problem.” In my particular field, linguistics (I publish in peer reviewed academic journals and books in this field), we are always investigating problems (things that don’t make sense or cannot be explained well) in an effort to solve them. That is what many papers are about. These seemingly senseless and unsolvable problems crop up all the time in science and even in life. Often after a while, we figure out a solution, but a lot of things we never end up figuring out one way or the other, and they just end up being forever mysterious.
Which is where I resign these photos to. These photos are mysteries. We do not know what those are photos of. Maybe that is a girl’s body from a murder crime scene. Maybe it is not and it’s some artifact or something else in the woods. We have no explanation for the flashes not being near the crime scene if that is true. We don’t know whether that object is 15 feet tall or not.
Our verdict is that that photo is of an unknown object in the woods near the crime scene on the afternoon the bodies were discovered. You all are free to speculate all you want to about these mysterious photographs.
The rumor mill has not been particularly active other than one main source that does not appear very credible.
Rumors: Unfortunately, many rumors have been going on about Mike Patty, the adopted father of Liberty German, accusing him of either committing this crime or being involved in it. This rumor states that Mike refused to give DNA. It also says that a detective working on the case recently visited Anna Williams and told her that he suspected Mike Patty was involved. The detective also stated that he had followed Mike Patty and family to Disney World recently. In addition, the detective said that LE suspects that the Delphi Murders involved two different people. The rumor also said that Mike Patty is under surveillance and has been for a long time. Mostly not credible.
We have gone over many people in this investigation, and indeed Mike was a suspect early on. We went over him like a fine tooth comb and looked inside and out, up and down and all over the man. Sometimes I think we know more about Mike than he knows about himself. However, we did the same thing with a number of other people. Nevertheless, it was not long before we abandoned him.
However, some people would not stop plugging him. I had one man who was so insistent that Mike was the killer that he would not stop emailing me with his theories and sleuthing (which he did a good job of) of Mike. I eventually told him to stop because he was bothering me, and I thought Mike was innocent. We have ~200 people in our group, and I do not think anyone suspects Mike Patty anymore. So far, our verdict is: Mike Patty is innocent of this crime.
Rumor: Detective visited Anna Williams and gave her details about the investigation. Possibly credible, but there are problems with as detectives are not supposed to do that.
Rumor: Detective stated that they are looking at two people for the murders. Possibly credible. Perhaps they do have two suspects. Or maybe they have just one. This is still up in the air at this point.
Rumor: Detective followed Mike Patty and family to Disney World to tail them. Not credible. We don’t believe that this detective or any LE followed them down there.
Rumor: Mike Patty is under surveillance and has been for a long time. Not credible. We simply do not feel that he is under investigation as a suspect in this crime.
Rumor: LE think that Mike Patty was in on these murders. Not credible. As I said, we think he’s innocent, and we believe that LE thinks he is innocent too.
I apologize for forwarding these rumors, but they are flying around a lot and, at the very least, they need to be debunked. As if poor Mike Patty did not have enough to worry about!
And this is a bit off-topic, but as we got to know them via the media and friends, we think that Mike and Becky Patty are two very good people and they have handled themselves well through this ordeal. Becky has been particularly helpful.
Rumors about the Murders
Warning: These rumors are gruesome. Nevertheless, they are very pertinent and need to be dealt with. After all, this is a homicide case. Don’t you think the murderer’s method in the murders is important? It’s one of the most important parts of any homicide case.
Rumor: Both girls had their throats badly cut and were nearly decapitated. Partially credible, but sadly it does appear true for one poor girl. Incidentally, a wound like that is something that you might expect with a garrote rather than a knife.
Rumor: The girls were killed by garroting. Possibly credible. This one has been around before, but now it has a lot more momentum. One of the wounds is compatible with this theory. Also we think that BG may have a spool in his right pants pocket. You can wrap fishing line around a spool like that, and 40 pound test fishing line would make an excellent garroting weapon. However, we have no conclusions about garroting in this crime. Maybe it was done, maybe it was not. Knives were certainly used though.
Rumor: One girl’s head was badly bashed in in the back with a heavy object, possibly a rock. Unknown credibility. This is the second time we have heard this one, and we don’t know what to think of it. This rumor has very little momentum, and we have just heard a peep here and there. The heavier rumors tend to be more credible than the scarce ones. We simply don’t know if this is true or not. However, our question would be whether a wound like this would have been visible on the girl’s head at the open casket. Also one of the men who discovered the bodies did not mention this type of wound, and we think he might have.
More Pregnancy Rumors
I told you to buckle your seat belts because here we go with this one again. Presently, we believe that neither girl was pregnant.
Rumors: Liberty German was in the very early stages of pregnancy. She had told Abby. Abby’s mother, Anna Williams, knew because Abby told her. Anna Williams currently states that Liberty German was pregnant. Becky Patty never knew. She only found out later when she was going through Liberty’s things. As far as why Becky denies it, she is supposedly in denial. As you can see, this rumor is back, and this time it is quite power-packed with a lot of specific information. Not credible.
Liberty was not pregnant and never told anyone she was. Anna Williams never said Liberty was pregnant. Becky didn’t discover evidence of pregnancy later when going through Liberty’s things.
I apologize for bringing up this pregnancy rumor again, but if these rumors are flying around, at the very least, they need to be falsified.
I am not going to discuss here the rightwing use of anti-immigration policy as a way of politicizing racism, nor as a means of splintering the working class and getting a lot of workers to vote for the parties of the ruling class by voting for rightwing anti-immigrant politicians. Both of those are well-known goals of anti-immigrant discourse.
Not that anti-immigrant discourse is all bad. There are times when immigration is out of control and things need to be brought under order. The use of foreign workers are temporary low wage scabs to increase profits, the abuse of the refugee program, large numbers of problematic immigrants coming to a country, immigrants straining government services, illegal immigrants, environmental degradation by mass immigration, changing the nation’s ethnic and cultural character via mass immigration of foreigners, all of these things are examples of some of the negative effects that can occur via unregulated or poorly regulated immigration.
What I wish to talk about here is something different: anti-immigration rhetoric as a rightwing diversion from rightwing projects, in this case to dismantle the state.
A wildly corrupt and outrageous rightwing parliamentary coup followed by a blatantly corrupt trial of the head of the former president resulted in a hard rightwing putschist state pursuing a radical reactionary project of dismantling all of the progressive reforms of the leftwing PT government under President Lula. Since then, public institutions have been systematically defunded even when they were already underfunded to start with in part because Brazil has never once taxed the rich in its entire existence as a nation. So public services are collapsing due to defunding in the same way that public entities collapsed under rightwing Sam Brownblack in Kansas and the NHS is presently collapsing in the UK due to a death by a thousand cuts via the Tory government.
Public frustration over the collapsing state is at a high level. At the same time, many new immigrants have been coming into Brazil due to the rightwing and US-created collapse of the economy there.
You need to understand about immigration in Latin America. It does not have the racist overtones of the debate here in the US about immigration. Also the income differences between the countries of Latin America are not vast. Latin American nations consider all Latin Americans to be part of a single ethnic mixed race people sharing a single Latin American basic culture. In many countries, the immigrants speak the same language as the residents. This makes even mass immigration much more of a “meh” issue in Latin America than it is here. All Latin Americans are brothers, ethnically, culturally and often linguistically, so why not let your brothers into your house when they desire shelter from a storm?
Hence, even White Argentina has been taking in large numbers of mestizo immigrants from Peru and Bolivia lately with a promise to soon legalize them all. Even heavily White Costa Rica has taken in 1-2 million mestizos from its neighbors who are either impoverished or devastated by street crime with an apparent promise to normalize most of them. Venezuela took in many Colombians fleeing war and poverty without batting an eye, and Colombia took in many rightwing Venezuelans fleeing Chavismo. Except in Mexico, immigrants are seldom deported in Latin America. The idea is to house, integrate and even legalize them as soon as possible.
Nevertheless, the line of Venezuelan immigrants has turned into a flood in some cities.
Brazil’s rightwing gangster state has made clever use of the problems of mass Venezuelan immigration by deviously blaming the collapsed public services (devastated and defunded by rightwing evisceration) on the masses of Venezuelan immigrants! This is apparently not true at all. The immigrants are not overwhelming public services and causing them to collapse. Instead the public services are collapsing via gutting by the rightwing state.
But the government has the people whipped into a wild nativist frenzy over this. This is in spite of the fact that Brazilians and Venezuelans are probably little different ethnically – both being some mixture of Black, White, and Indian. The result has been daily attacks on Venezuelan immigrants in some cities and most recently a spate of high profile arson attacks on buildings housing Venezuelan immigrants.
This could be called attacks on immigrants as a diversion from anti-people rightwing projects. It’s a way of getting people to look the other way and scapegoat innocent people while the state is dismantled by the rich.
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New Delphi Murders Update!
Notice: All of the really hot discussion and sleuthing on the site has headed over to the private password-protected forum, where our team of ~200 websleuths has been working on this case and has assembled a huge case against our suspect, including videos and many photographs. Instructions on how to get on the private forum.
Note to readers: People don’t understand how this site works. All of our rumors and theories are just hypotheses because few if any of them have been proven. We report the rumor or test out various hypotheses about how the murders were done, by whom and for which motive. This is precisely what all good detectives do all the time. A classic murder case will involve detectives throwing up literally hundreds of suspects, motives, and theories before they finally settle on one or solve the crime. As soon as we report a rumor or formulate a theory, we begin trying to either falsify it or prove it. This is the scientific method. You make a hypothesis, then you set out trying to prove or disprove it. This is how all science and all detective work is done.
Delphi Murders Suspect(s) Under Surveillance by LE!
Suspect 1: In some incredible news, we can now report that a suspect (we will call him Suspect 1) either is or was under surveillance by LE as a suspect in the Delphi Murders. On September 18, we received word from an excellent source that this suspect was under surveillance as a suspect in the case. We do not know if he is still under surveillance, but he may very well be. He also may have been placed under surveillance at some point up to three months prior to September 18. So at least in September, LE had someone under surveillance as a suspect in this crime. It’s possible that they are still under surveillance, and LE may have been watching them for almost five months.
This suspect has changed residence a couple of times around the time he was under surveillance. We have no idea if this man knows was under surveillance. We know who this man is, and we have researched him intensively in recent days. We cannot tell you his name. However, I will say that he refused to give DNA. He has been interviewed twice by LE. The suspect has an alibi for the day of the crime, and he believes that LE is satisfied with his alibi. However, two months after he made that statement, we received a report that he was under surveillance, so it looks like LE does not buy his alibi at all. We have looked into this man’s alibi, and we believe he is lying about his alibi. I will say that this man was definitely in Delphi on the day of the crime.
Suspect 2: We just received a report that LE has identified a man who is associated with the vehicle with the paper drive-off plates that may be the VOI in the case. The report states that this man is under surveillance by LE. However, I feel that this Suspect 2 is probably the same man as Suspect 1.
Suspect 3: A new report says that a man who is well known in connection with this crime (not necessarily in a bad way) and who many have fingered as a suspect for a long time is under surveillance by LE. I do not believe that this man had anything to do with the crime, and I do not believe he is under surveillance, so I think this is a false rumor.
First Ever Photos from the Crime Scene!
Wow. We now have a shocking new development. We believe that we have finally isolated actual photos from the scene of this crime! The photos were stills taken from a video of a news station flying their news helicopter over the area of the crime shortly after the girls’ bodies were found. A pink blotch shows up first at 17:13 and later around the 18 minute mark. At 18:14, there is a flash and then you can see the pink blotch well. We took a still of this shot at 18:14 and have been working on it for some time now. One of our sleuths is a superb graphic artist and she has been doing some great work for us. She has a degree in Graphic Arts.
Upon blowing up the photo and using many filters on it, we have isolated what looks like a human body in this photo. The body appears to be lying on its back with one of its knees bent. You can see what look like two arms splayed out above the legs. The pink blotch is located above the arms. We believe that this is a photograph of the body of Abby Williams. The pink blotch is her red blouse, which has been pulled over her face and head, obscuring them.
A man named Gray Hughes who specializes in making videos about this crime has made a number of debunking videos that debunk numerous rumors and claims about the crime.
His last couple of videos are flat out wrong.
One video says that Bridge Man does not have a fanny pack. Instead it’s just a shadow. Perhaps Hughes should consult with the FBI on that one, as the FBI said that the Bridge Man has a fanny pack.
Hughes also made a video proving that the flat object on the left leg of the Bridge Man is just the sun shining on his pants. However, we have proven via the use of filters that that object must be some actual object in his pants. In fact, it is a knife kit with three fishing knives in it.
Hughes got quite a bit of fame for debunking an earlier version of the crime scene photo. He made a video “proving” that the shots were taken a long ways away from the probable crime scene. He even fooled me on that one.
But now we know that Gray Hughes was wrong once again.
The reason we know he is wrong is because we can see actual flashes right around the area of the pink blotch. Those flashes can only be crime scene investigators photographing the crime scene. All of the flashes are in the same place, and they are all right next to the pink blotch. In fact, we have one photo with the pink blotch and a flash both in the same still. If anything, we can prove that the pink blotch is exactly in the vicinity of the actual crime scene. This leads us to believe that this is an actual photo of one of the victims.
We believe that the photos below are actual crime scene photographs. If you find them graphic, please do not view them, but honestly there’s not much to see other than what looks like an outline of a human body with next to no details visible.
We have a lot of new information in this post that has hardly been released anywhere, and most people have never heard of any of this, so it should be interesting to a lot of people.
More on the Vehicle of Interest in the Case!
In tbe last post on August 30, we showed you photographs of a possible VOI (Vehicle of Interest) in the case. In the interim, we have been beaten to Hell over this. There have been many calls for the owner of this vehicle to sue the website for libel, etc. The problem is that the owner of the vehicle is a rental car agency!
The VOI in the crime is said to be a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. A vehicle matching this description was seen at the trailhead by a witness at 3 PM on February 13, which was exactly the time that this crime was occurring. We will call this vehicle Vehicle 2, the VOI in the case.
Although we do not know this is the VOI, we believe it is. There is a record of a woman reporting the vehicle, and it has long been rumored to be the VOI in the case. According to the rumors, all vehicles at the crime scene except for this one and possibly a maroon car have been located by LE and cleared. So although we are basing our analysis on widespread rumors that this is the VOI in the case, it’s important to note that this has not yet been proven.
In addition, a white late model Dodge Dart was also seen seven miles south of Delphi at a woman’s home on the morning of the crime at about 8 AM. The woman was suspicious of the man, so she took several photographs of the vehicle. A photo from this sequence is below. We will call this vehicle Vehicle 1, the vehicle photographed that morning in Delphi.
We have five photos of this car. This is only one of them. All photos show the vehicle and an unknown man next to the car. All photos are quite similar.
We spent a lot of time investigating this vehicle, since we had its license number. One of our sleuths has somehow learned how to do skip-tracing. I thought only the police knew how to do this, but apparently some private investigators know how to do it too. Although it took her months, she was able to do a skip trace on the license number and the vehicle above.
First of all, it is important to note the differences between the two otherwise identical vehicles. The vehicle seen seven miles south of Delphi had normal license plates on it. The VOI at the crime scene had paper drive-off plates on it. Each plate had a different license number, although the vehicles were otherwise identical. However, our sleuth was somehow able to discover the license number on the paper plates of the VOI. How she figured this out, I have no idea. So we now have the license number of the VOI in the case.
The license number of Vehicle 1 seen seven miles south of Delphi that morning was traced by our skip tracer. She traced it back to a white late model Dodge Dart on a rental car lot, so the vehicle in the photo is a rental. She also learned the name of the man who had rented out the vehicle in the photo that day. To our stunned surprise, the man who rented out Vehicle 1 is a known suspect in the Delphi Murders! Now we do not know that the man in the photo is the same man as the suspect who rented the car that day. There are problems with the description. However, I believe that the man in the photo is indeed the suspect who rented that vehicle that day. We were not able to obtain the name of the rental car agency because the sleuth would not give it to us.
Now this is fantastic information, as it places a known suspect via a photograph near Delphi on the morning of the murders driving a vehicle that exactly resembles the VOI in the crime! However, here is where we run into problems.
Somehow the sleuth obtained the license number of the VOI with the paper plates seen at the scene that day. These paper drive-off plates went back to a late model white Dodge Dart on a dealership lot. We were not able to get any more information from the sleuth regarding the name of the dealership, whether the car had been sold or not, etc.
Here is where the problem is.
According to the sleuth, since the two license plates do not match, we are talking about two different vehicles. In other words, there were two late model white Dodge Darts in Delphi that day, each with a different license plate. Although this seems hard to believe, this is exactly where the evidence leads us. The sleuth feels that the suspect is ruled out because the plate on the vehicle he rented that day does not match the plate on the vehicle at the crime scene. Further, one set was real plates and the other set was paper plates.
This would indeed seem to rule out the suspect, except for one thing.
How about a theory?
This theory suggests that the author of this crime is extremely crafty, nearly a master criminal who planned this crime perfectly.
According to this theory, the man in the photo above is indeed our suspect, and he did indeed rent the vehicle in the photo that day. However, he was also very, very smart. He knew he was going to rent a white late model Dodge Dart that day. So he went to a dealership and found another late model Dodge Dart and stole the paper plates off of it. On the day of the crime, he rented the car in the photo above, but he also carried the paper plates. So in that photo above, he would have the paper plates on him somewhere in that vehicle.
Just before the crime, he switched out the plates on the car, replacing the rental plates with the paper drive-off plates.
Paper plates are hard to remember because they have 10 letters, so some criminals prefer them for crimes. They put the paper plates on to do the crime and then discard them after the crime is done. We have been told that meth dealers in the area use rental cars and paper plates in exactly this same manner.
The suspect then committed the crime using the paper plates so he could not be linked to the VOI at the crime scene. Our sleuth felt that the suspect did not do this because she thought he was not smart enough. However, I believe the man who did this crime was a master criminal, and I also believe that the suspect above is indeed crafty enough to do something like that.
So there you have it. A suspect has been linked to a car matching the VOI at the scene, but crucially, the license plates do not match, so legally he cannot be linked to the VOI at the crime scene. If the suspect did this, it was brilliant thinking.
I do not know who did this crime. At one time I thought I did, but now I am not sure. Of course I have a favorite suspect, but I don’t know if he did the crime or not.
More New Information!
We have just received a lot of new information about the witnesses in this case.
There were at least five people who saw Bridge Man at the scene that day. Two of them were men in their 20’s, and one was an older woman.
Bridge Man was seen on the trail at 2 PM heading towards the bridge and again at 3:15 leaving the area, heading towards Freedom Bridge, which is where he seems to have parked his car. Freedom Bridge over Highway 25 gives you access to the Monon High Trail.
In both cases, witnesses said that Bridge Man’s face was obscured by a white scarf!
You would think that when he was seen at 3:15, he would have been covered with blood. At the very least, his jeans should have been wet because he definitely waded that creek with the girls six minutes after they were abducted. But we heard nothing from the witnesses indicating that his clothes were wet or bloody.
The witness named Cheyenne was at the bridge at 3 PM. There have been many questions about her, with some suggesting that she was in on the crime and others wondering why she didn’t hear anything. She sent us a very nasty email, but aside from that, she has cooperated with LE from the very start. Also, if she was there at 3 PM, the crime was just about over by that point, as the girls were first abducted at ~2:20 PM and the crime was probably over by 3 PM. I do not believe that this Cheyenne had anything to do with this crime.
Derrick German, Libby’s father, arrived at the scene at 3:12 and began calling the girls. At that time, Bridge Man would have been almost to his vehicle, and the crime would have been over by at least 12 minutes. I do not believe that Derrick German had anything to do with this crime.
There is a new report that LE has a suspect in this crime, and they also have a motive. I have heard who the suspect is, and I also heard the motive. I do not believe that this man had anything to do with this crime, and I doubt this motive, as I believe it is premised on a falsehood.
There is a new rumor that based on the voices on the tape, LE is looking at three suspects in these murders. I have no idea if this rumor is true or not, as I have no idea if there was one or more than one perpetrator of this crime. There seems to be good evidence for both a single actor and more than one killer, but they cannot both be true. So I am uncertain if there was one killer or more than one.
There is a rumor that Libby was disemboweled. Fortunately, I can now confirm that this is absolutely not true.
There has long been a rumor that the girls were impaled with stakes or bunches of sticks. A couple of the sources of these rumors were very good. However, based on new information, we do not believe that the girls were impaled with stakes or branches unless these wooden objects were removed from their bodies soon after the crime, which I find dubious. Right now, we think that it is probably quite unlikely that the girls were impaled with sticks. Well, that’s good!
We have been bashed to Hell and back over a rumor stemming from the very earliest days that one of the girls was pregnant. There were also theories that said that this pregnancy was a reason for the crimes. We abandoned the theory about a hillbilly abortion performed in the Mears barn a long time ago. Also it is absolutely not true that the Mears have been put through Hell due to the barn theory, and we have never accused them of being involved in this crime. These are just two of the lies that people are telling about us. While there was good reason to believe that the barn was involved, that theory looks dead now. We are still getting bashed to Hell and back over the barn and abortion theory, even though we junked it many months ago.
Anyway, I am very happy to report that we can finally apparently falsify the pregnancy rumors. We have been desperately trying to falsify this theory for months now, but no one would come forward and falsify it. For the record, we have been reporting this rumor as “unproven” for many months now, but the haters just keep bashing away regardless. Via Becky Patty, who I thank very much, we can now finally report that apparently neither girl was pregnant. Now how Becky knows this, I have no idea. But for now, I think we should take her word for it.
Just in time, soon after we falsified the pregnancy theory, it sprung up again among locals, this time much more elaborated. This goes to show you that this theory never came from us in the first place. This was simply a very hot theory that was zipping around the area, and we reported it. Of course we didn’t make it up. Now you see that even after we abandoned it, it starts right back up again, so that shows you we have no control over it. I am not even going to give you the details about the new pregnancy theory or who it involves. For right now, I think I will defer to Becky Patty’s denial and report this new pregnancy rumor as apparently a false rumor.
We have some superb sources now, and we are working very hard on solving this pregnancy theory definitively one way or another once and for all.
We long since abandoned a theory that the girls were transported in a vehicle. We are still getting bashed to high heaven for this theory, even though we trashed it months ago.
Becky Patty has debunked several rumors for us, and we thank her so much for that. These rumors are:
- The girls had a letter, possibly the letter K, carved on them. Not true.
- The girls had a small amount of change stolen from them. Not true.
- The girls had some jewelry stolen from them. Not true.
- A backpack was stolen from Abby. Not true.
- The girls were sexually assaulted or raped. Apparently not true.
- The girls’ fingernails were torn off. Not true.
- Libby sent a text message to Mike Patty at some point around the time of the crime. Not true.
We also have some new theories about the crime.
One theory is about how this horrible crime was committed, along with girls screaming, and no one heard the noise, even though there were a few people in the area at the time.
Via one of our excellent sleuths:
I’ll preface this by saying I believe the girls were killed where they were found and BG left via the cemetery.
I studied the topographical map of Deer Creek as J. suggested, Thanks J.!
The area where the girls were found is more or less within a steep valley with cliffs, about 80’ from creek to top. Sound travels outward in waves from its origin. Much of surrounding cliffs were covered with barren trees, undergrowth, deadfall, and soil -all pretty good sound-absorbing materials. The openings where the sound could escape are straight up, to the east through the creek valley or to the west around a bend toward the bridge. That day the wind was coming from the WSW at between 7 and 21 mph. When the wind gusts, Deer Creek Valley becomes a wind tunnel from W to E impeding the scream waves, pushing them east away from the bridge and away from any witnesses.
This is something an experienced hunter might know, or something a operator would learn in Special Forces School. BG is a hunter-killer who knows this land like the back of his bloody hand.
Another theory revolves around the catfishing theory. Although initially we thought that the girls were catfished, we dropped that theory down to unproven not long afterwards which is where it remains. Nevertheless we are still getting bashed to Hell and back for supposedly promoting the catfishing theory.
There is some evidence for the catfishing theory – for instance, in the first few days after the crime, family members were openly wondering if the girls were catfished.
A detective made a remark that families should watch what their children are doing on social media.
And a source reported that his friend, a Delphi police officer, told him that the girls were definitely catfished. Nevertheless, second hand reports from LE to us have gone belly up a number of times in the past, so this hearsay is not probative. It’s interesting but not probative.
There are many serious problems with the catfishing theory, mostly that a digital trail might well have been left behind. Excellent rejoinders to the catfishing theory can be found on the Delphi Murders Reddit and other places. We regard these rejoinders as excellent evidence against the catfishing theory.
Nevertheless, there is another theory that accommodates the catfishing theory well without being precisely a catfishing theory. This implies that the killer watched the girls’ digital footsteps and planned his crime knowing what they were up to that day.
One theory here is that the girls were geocaching. As a matter of fact, we have uncovered evidence proving that both girls were geocaching all around the area in the few days before the crime.
At least Libby German was an avid geocacher, and Abby may have been a geocaching fan herself. And most spectacularly of all, we believe that the girls were geocaching when this crime took place. We believe this because they had been geocaching all around the area at the time, and there was in fact a geocache by the Monon High Bridge on the day of the crime! Even more spectacularly, the geocache was located right off the end of the south end of the bridge, which is precisely where the girls were abducted. Now how the killer figured out that the girls were geocaching that day, if he did at all, we do not know. However, we think that LE should look into the geocaching angle of this crime.
People are wondering what my opinion of Daniel Nations is. I do not believe that he was involved in this crime. I never believed that. However, some of our sleuths still believe that he did it.
Clearing up Endless Lies about This Site
We have been accused of peddling theories that we abandoned long ago.
- The pregnancy and catfishing theories were relegated to unproven many months ago.
- We never accused any family members of the girls or their boyfriends of anything.
- The hillbilly abortion theory was dropped long ago.
- The Mears Barn theory has been dead forever now.
- The theory that a second car was used to transport the girls was dropped a long time ago.
Another lie going around about us is that we started a rumor about Ivan Brumbaugh finding the bodies and contaminating them with his DNA. We never started any such rumor, and I never believed the Ivan Brumbaugh theory, though a lot of people on my site did. That theory was started by a major suspect in this case, in my opinion to throw the scent off of himself and onto someone else by framing Ivan, who was one of his old enemies.
There is a huge lie going around about us that says that the families have told us to stop our speculation and theorizing. We have sleuths who personally know custodial family members, and they told us that these family members have nothing against this site at all. In addition, an extended family member of one of the girls was a paying member of the site for a time. Our sleuths who know family members told us that the families don’t seem to care much about this site one way or the other.
There is a similar lie going around that we are “interfering with the investigation,” and police have told us to stop. This is based on a misunderstanding of what police have said many times. Police have said that they have only released tiny bits of evidence so as not to interfere with the investigation or to preserve the integrity of the investigation. This means that police would be screwing up their own investigation by releasing too much data about the crime. It makes it hard to weed out false confessions (we have already had two in this case so far), and it makes it hard for the defendant to get a fair trial.
When LE talk about this, they are talking only about themselves, not about citizens. Believe it or not, citizens can write, talk, or speculate about unsolved crimes to their heart’s content. The police can’t do anything about it, and honestly they don’t care what citizens are speculating about the crimes. So it is literally not possible to “interfere with an investigation.” Furthermore, there is no such crime as “interfering with an investigation” that I am aware of.
The police in this case simply said that they were concerned mostly about Facebook groups who kept putting up the Bridge Man composite next to photos of local citizens. Police were concerned that these promiscuous accusations could lead to the people doing it getting sued for libel or defamation.
Police were also irked about some the tips they were getting because a lot of the tips were bad and not even credible. They simply said that getting a lot of noncredible tips is a waste of police resources.
There is an accusation that all of the speculation being done on this site and others “muddies the waters” and confuses the case for investigators. This is a misunderstanding of the LE complaint about non-credible tips being called in. It also implies that police read this site and that somehow our theories confuse the police. This is an underestimation of LE. Yes, they do read here, but they have their own theories, and our speculation certainly does not negatively impact their theories in any way.
Also one would think that if LE was so upset with this site, they would just tell us. I have spoken to detectives several times regarding this case. They requested and were granted access to our private forums a few times. LE never told me even once that they were upset by our theorizing on the case. On the contrary, at least one detective was very gracious for the huge amount of data and photos we gave him.
The Actual Murders
The following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed. Most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. However, the rumors in italics are apparently true to the best of our knowledge:
Probably or Fully True Rumors
Both girls were disrobed. One girl was naked, and her top half was covered with leaves. Another girl was also naked with her top pulled over her head. Most of the girls’ clothing was found in the creek.
Both girls had dirt under the nails. One girl also had blood under her nails. The other girl’s nails were badly torn up.
Police believe that one girl had 4-5 chances to escape, but did not flee because she was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster. In real life, they were inseparable.
One girl had her throat slit. Her throat was so badly cut that she was nearly decapitated.
One girl had a knife wound to the heart and another wound to the jugular vein in her throat.
A large knife with a gut hook was somehow used in this crime. After the crime happened, LE were asking around at local hardware stores if anyone had bought a large knife with a gut hook recently. They asked this at the CVS near the bridge. There are two possibilities here. One is that a knife like this was used on the girls, and LE were able to determine this by looking at the nature of the wounds. The other possibility is that the killer used this knife in the crime and then left it at the scene for whatever reason. At the moment, we favor the theory that the knife was left at the scene by killer, but there’s no hard evidence one way or the other.
Uncertain but Plausible Rumors
At some point, at least one of the girls was stricken with the blunt end of a gun.
At least one of the girls had the back of her head badly bashed in with a heavy object, possibly a rock.
The killer used some sort of strong chemical to try to destroy any of his DNA left at the scene.
The girls were “posed” in the crime scene.
The Bridge Man: What Is Known and What Is Theorized
The Bridge Man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town. See below for some evidence backing that up.
The Bridge Man is a fisherman. See below for the knife kit he is carrying on his left leg.
The Bridge Man is definitely lefthanded. See below for evidence that the positioning of the gun he is carrying means that he is lefthanded.
The Bridge Man is bowlegged. This can be observed from the photos.
The Bridge Man is duck-footed; that is, his feet go outward when he walks. This can be observed from the photos.
The Bridge Man has an injury to his left knee. One theory is that based on the way he is walking, he has suffered a medial plateau fracture of the knee joint. He also seems to have some arthritis of that knee. This theory also states that the Bridge Man has had an operation to repair the damaged knee, or tibia actually, as it is technically Bridge Man’s tibia that is broken. The theory goes on to state that he has had an operation to repair the knee. This operation is called an ORIF – an Open Reduction Internal Fixation. If this is true, then Bridge Man probably had a plate and a few screws in his knee. He would also have a long jagged scar on his left knee.
The Bridge Man is 50-55 years old. Our theory based on his appearance in the photos.
The Bridge Man is 5’8-5’10 and weighs 170-190 pounds. The height is based on LE estimates. The weight is based on LE estimates but we have revised their estimate 10 pounds downward. Weight is much harder than height to estimate.
The Bridge Man appears to be in good shape for his age based on the way he easily navigates the rickety, frightening bridge. Self-evident.
The Bridge Man smokes and is smoking during the crime. He may also smoke cigarillos, as a cigarillo wrapper was found at the scene. See below for the blowup of Bridge Man’s face showing that he has a cigarette in his lips and that there is a cloud of smoke emanating from the left side of his face.
More about the Man on the Bridge
The fanny pack that the Bridge Man is wearing is actually wearing what is called a deer kit. Your typical deer kit on sale on the Internet contained five different types of knives. These knives are to be used by hunters in cutting up and dressing the deer that they kill. The Bridge Man’s deer kit is probably like a typical one in that no doubt it contained different knives, probably the five different types of knives found in a typical deer kit. Additional evidence comes from police looking for a man who bought a knife with a gut hook. All deer kits normally contain a gut hook knife as one of the knives in the kit. I think it is obvious that he intended to use those knives to cut the girls. Indeed, the girls are thought to have suffered numerous knife wounds.
One of our theories is that the deer pack is a homemade one made by the local Amish. We located a man in Wisconsin who identified the pack as a deer kit and said he had one that looked exactly like it. Curiously, he said it had been made by local Mennonites in Wisconsin, a German Protestant group similar to the Amish.
Bridge Man clearly has a gun in his jacket. See below for an elaboration of that. One theory is that the gun may be secured in a left-handed gun holster strapped to his right side.
One theory is that the holster resembles the one below and that it was an antique holster, homemade by local Amish.
We know the Bridge Man is left-handed because of the gun that he is carrying is in such a position that would only be used if he were lefthanded.
We know the Bridge Man has a gun on him, as it can clearly be seen in outline under his jacket.
We have a couple of theories about the gun he is carrying. Originally we thought that the gun was an M1911 early model, pre-1986, possibly purchased from the local Amish, as they have a lot of these for sale. However, the shape is completely wrong for that type of gun. Notice the large bulbous protrusion on the rear of the pistol. That cannot possibly be an M1911.
Instead, one theory is that that is a High Point Firearms Model 34510. This is a very cheap firearm, a “Saturday night special.” They sell for as low as $200 brand new.
Another theory is that it is a similar type of gun that is known for being extremely lightweight.
Our second theory is that the gun may have been stolen from Ron Logan. Ron had a huge gun collection, and there was a big break-in at his house in December where many guns were stolen. A young drug-involved woman who was staying with him at the time was thought to be involved. Admittedly we do not have much evidence for this theory other than a statement from a suspect.
Next let us look at the strange object strapped to Bridge Man’s left leg. We now believe that this is a knife kit with three fisherman’s fillet knives in it. This leads us to believe that the Bridge Man is an outdoorsman – a fisherman, hunter or both – due to the fishing knives and the deer kit. Also, assuming the deer kit has five knives in it, this means that Bridge Man brought eight knives with him to do this crime.
One of our sleuths asked at work, and a woman at work said she thought the strange object was something called a “net fishing bag” that fishermen sometimes use. She had one herself. But we still needed to explain the rectangular object that the net fishing bag theory did not explain it well.
When we rotated the object, we found that we could see both the net fishing bag and inside of it, what looks like a knife kit. Inside the knife kit, we believe there are three fishing knives. To us they look like fillet knives. So Bridge Man brought this knife kit with him to do this crime.
The photo below shoes some of the type of knives that may be inside of this knife kit.
Next we will move onto the Bridge Man’s boots. First of all, we believe he is wearing boots and not sneakers or tennis shoes. The boots are black. Notice the white stripe going all around the boots?
Now look closely at the boots below. Several days after the crime, LE released this photo of these boots in an evidence bag. Then they said that the boots had nothing to do with the crime, but LE always says things like that. A couple of days before, Indiana State Police had raided Indiana Packers. The stated reason was a bomb threat, but we believe there was no bomb threat. Instead that was just an excuse to shut down the plant and raid the police. After LE were done with the raid, they walked away with a pair of Indiana Packers workboots.
A few days later, a photo of these IP boots was released innocently to the media, however, they were in an evidence bag. Obviously LE felt that these were the model of boots that the Bridge Man was wearing. When we blow up the Bridge Man’s boots, we see now that his black boots with the white stripe all around them are an excellent match for the IP boots in the evidence bag.
New Information – Bridge Man is Smoking a Cigarette!
The photo above showing the Bridge Man with a cigarette in his mouth and a smoke cloud on the left side of his face was originally said to be a Photoshopped fake. However, we looked into the matter further and spoke to the woman who was there when this photo was created. Based on our discussion with her, there is no way that this photo is faked, and that cigarette is either an artifact, or it is a real cigarette in his mouth. Looking at the smoke coming up from the left side of his face and the fact that a cigarillo wrapper was found at the scene, I believe that the photo above shows Bridge Man smoking a cigarette or cigarillo with a cloud of smoke rising on the left side of his face.
Also note the huge nose on the blown up photo. Notice how Bridge Man in the sketch does not have a huge nose at all.
I have been ridiculed to Hell and back for thinking that the Bridge Man is wearing a fake nose. Right now it appears that I am the only person who believes this, and no one agrees with me. I would say that that makes my theory a bit dubious. Nevertheless, those who say he has no fake nose must explain why his nose is so huge in the photo, and why the nose on the photos does not match up with the nose on the sketch. It’s either a fake nose, or it’s some photographic artifact, and his nose is not really huge like that.
We are now working on a rather wild theory that the Bridge Man was elaborately disguised on that day. We have been working a lot with a graphic artist on Bridge Man’s face, and she thinks he may be wearing a mask because his face has no contrast on it at all. According to her, this is only possible if he is wearing a mask. If he is wearing a mask, then a fake nose is certainly not out of the question.
Keep in mind that this is just a theory we are working on right now, and at the moment, we don’t know if he has a mask or a fake nose.
The motivation for this crime is hard to figure out, but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers. Although there is no evidence yet that the Bridge Man has killed other people beyond this crime, he certainly may have. Hence we believe the Bridge Man is a “serial killer type” instead of a serial killer. In that case, the motivation for the crime is that of a sexually sadistic psychopathic serial type killer.
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And yes, LE does read here. I have talked to a few detectives working on this case, and they all told me they read here. I recently talked to a detective working the Evansdale murders, and I was stunned when he told me that he reads here too! LE asked for access to our private site, and they were given access. All of our material, assuming it’s worthwhile, gets turned into to LE at some point, usually sooner rather than later. I have no idea the use LE has made of this site, but I believe that at least so far, we have been quite helpful to the case. And no, I can’t tell you how I know that because that gets into internals of the investigation.
Haters say no one even posts or reads here, but there have been ~5,000-10,000 comments so far. East post has 1-2,000 comments on it. The last post had to be shut down at ~2,700 comments. There are scores to possibly hundreds of photos that have been uploaded. It’s a treasure trove.
The haters say that this forum is a place where idiots plunk down money to listen to me, an insane person, ramble on about all of my insane theories and ideas. Truth is that I don’t even post that much!
Mostly it is simply a forum not unlike the Delphi or Unexplained Mysteries Reddits or even Websleuths. There are about 200 members on there. A subset of that group posts regularly about their theories about the case. They link to photos, personal information, court cases, newspaper stories, social media posts, etc. It’s just a group of people posting and trying to solve this particular murder case. They mostly work on their own, as I don’t even post that much! Yes, I have my own theory or theories, but I also post photos and information having to do with other people’s theories that I don’t even believe in. And most people do not post on my theory – instead most posting lately has been on the theories of others.
This form is sort of like Websleuths without the idiocy and Admin Nazis or the Delphi Reddit with a lot more manners and sense and a Hell of a lot more good information.
Most people are on there because they want a safe space to sleuth where they don’t have to worry about insults, fights, attacks, doxxing, threats, trolls, stalkers, spies, etc. Also they don’t have to worry about libel suits because it’s a closed forum, so it’s like we are talking behind a locked door in someone’s house. It’s not libel if no one can hear you.
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