This is a new update of the Delphi Murders. If you want a good backgrounder, I would ask you to look at this cumulative post that details all of the good cumulative evidence we have uncovered so far. It also details our latest theories about the crime.
New Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders Case!
This is the blockbuster news.
We can now state with 100% certainty that LE have a new Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders. This is important as the previous Person of Interest, Daniel Nations, did not pan out and is now said to not be a suspect. So this would be the second major Person of Interest after Nations. Our information is that both the FBI and the Indiana State Police are stating that this man is a Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders case.
We do know quite a bit about this man, as we also learned a lot about Nations. I have been thinking hard about how much I should reveal to you about this man. I have decided to reveal absolutely nothing about him in part to protect him as he may very well be innocent.
However, you might be able to figure out who this man is on your own if you smart. The information is sitting right out there on the open Internet for all to see. All you have to do is go find it!
Reasons for membership and paywall of the forum
This is also one of the reasons we went behind a members only paywall – that way we could sleuth to our hearts content anyone and everyone and accuse anyone of anything and not have to worry about libel or defamation charges. Also we are protecting the privacy of the people we are investigating by not putting our accusations and their personal information about them on the public web. The paywall is to protect the innocent until proven guilty people we are investigating!
In addition, our members themselves requested that paywall be put up so they could sleuth in peace. When we were free, we had suspects, trolls, spies and stalkers come into the group. They reposted our conversations all over the web, threw people out of Facebook groups, used the site to viciously attack us, especially on Topix, and last but not least, a number of our female members were stalked, pestered and had their personal information posted on the web. These women got very frightened by this intimidating behavior. I went paywall in part to protect the good women in my group from creepy stalkers, and the woman agreed with my decision.
If we are behind a paywall in a members’ only group, we can say whatever we want because it cannot be seen by the general public. It is as if you had a house, and you invited some people over to sleuth some crime. Inside the house, you accused or suspected various people of being killers, looked up their personal information, etc. Really behind the closed doors of a house, you can say anything and everything about anyone, and there’s no libel or defamation because no one can hear you. Libel and defamation is only possible when you put accusations out into the public media for anyone and everyone to see.
Why We Are Revealing Nothing about the POI
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. We do not want to send lynch mobs after people who have been convicted, much less charged or even arrested, of a crime. This man and everyone else being investigated in this case by us or other is entitled to his peace.
We have taken seriously some comments that LE have made about investigations being done in the open as opposed to behind closed doors. In our favor, we will say that LE released almost no information about this crime, and that inevitably set off a wild rumor mill and amateur sleuthing industry. What did they expect would happen? That is exactly what is going to happen when you release just about zero evidence.
I thought long and hard about this, and I concluded that the revealing information about this new Person of Interest would not benefit the investigation. We don’t want to get in the way LE’s investigation of this crime. We are here to help, not hinder.
False Statements about Websleuths “Interfering with the Investigation”
Also I would like to point out that mostly LE has been complaining about the side by side comparisons being posted on the web comparing various citizens to the composite. First of all, we have never done this on our public web. Show us one case where we ever put up a side by side with citizens’ photos next to media of the killer accusing anyone of anything. We do that in the paywalled forum all the time, but no one can see that, so it’s not a problem. Second of all, LE do not particularly care if you put up side by sides. It’s no skin off their back and it does not interfere with their investigation. Their only concern was that the people doing the side by sides were setting themselves up for libel and defamation charges.
In addition, LE were annoyed that web sleuthers were calling in so many lousy tips. It doesn’t screw up the investigation, but it wastes their time. We try not to do that here. It’s not common that we tell a member to call in a tip, but we do it sometimes.
LE have never accused any amateur sleuths ever of “interfering with the investigation” of these murders. Show us one place where they ever said that. Instead, they used that phrase a lot to describe revealing certain information to the public could harm the investigation. They only used that phrase to refer to themselves, not to others.
Conclusion about the Person of Interest
However, I can tell that there is good, hard evidence that both the FBI and the ISP are currently saying that this man is a Person of Interest in the Delphi Murders. It is sitting right out there on the Internet in plain view for everyone to see. And I am not going to tell you where to find it or even what type of webpage or media it is. You will have to do that for yourselves.
We get attacked all the time for changing our theories about the crime. But this is not a problem. We are simply following the scientific method here, and this is why we are always changing our theories. We get a theory and throw it up for now. Then we try to falsify it. We constantly test it so see if it is accurate. And at times, we try to resurrect falsified theories from the dead if can get evidence confirming them. For the most part our only sources have been the rumor mill, and while some good information has come out of the rumors, a lot of the information was flat out wrong.
It is said that we make up lies about this case. We have never made up one single lie about this case. All of our theories are backed up by rumors coming from other people or evidence that we have uncovered. We go over all of the rumors about the case all of the time and try to figure out which ones are credible and which are not or what degree of credibility they have. We try to find out the source of the rumor and how credible that person is. We look for other rumors that falsify that rumor and then try to figure out which is true, the rumor or its falsification.
This is actually very hard work and we don’t take it lightly. A lot of these rumors have not panned out due to our diligent efforts to falsify them, and this is the reason that our theories change a lot. But detectives are often always changing their theories and hypotheses about murder cases, and they give weight to rumors too, at least as potential leads to falsify or verify. So the same methods that we have been attacked so viciously for are actually standard detective procedures.
We have an excellent team including a physician, a psychologist, a graphic artist, and a sleuth who can actually do skip traces on cars, something that normally only LE are able to do it. Some private investigators also know how to skip trace, but many do not as it is very hard to do.
Possible Vehicle of Interest in the Crime
It took us a full four months to skip trace two suspected license numbers in this case. One went back to a rental car and another went back to a dealership. However, both of these different plates were on the exact same model, make and color of vehicle that was seen in Delphi that day. We do not know if we are dealing with two separate identical vehicles here (hence the two different plates) or if we are dealing with a single vehicle that had its plates switched right before the crime.
These vehicle(s) were seen at the trailhead at 3 PM (we have a copy of the social media post on that) and earlier in the day were photographed 7 miles south of Delphi with the license number written down. We have copies of all of those photos too. The license photographed that morning goes back to a rental car that was rented that day by a known suspect in the case (we discovered this via skip trace), but the license on the dealer’s drive-off paper plates seen at the trailhead at 3 PM on an identical car goes back to a dealer’s lot where this same make, model and color of car was parked, so at the moment, there is no way to connect the two vehicles, as the license numbers do not match up.
However, both plates match up to the exact same make, model and color of car, which is strange. If the killer switched the plates, he would have had to have known the make, model and color of the car he was going to rent to do the crime and then go to a dealers’ lot and steal paper plates off of a car with the exact same make, model and color of car as he was going to use to commit the crime that day. He would leave the rental car plates on in the morning, hence the photograph south of Delphi.
But right before the crime, he would have had to switch out the plates and replace the rental car plates with the paper drive-off plates. Our sleuth felt that the man photographed south of Delphi (we know who he is) who was photographed was innocent because the plates did not match up. She acknowledged that he could have gone this great length above to acquire plates for identical cars and then switch one out at the last minute, but she thought he would have to be a criminal mastermind to do that, and she felt that the man with the rental car was not smart enough to pull that off.
However, my opinion is that the man who did this crime is indeed a criminal mastermind in a lot of ways. I would say he committed the perfect crime except that I believe he will be caught at some point. He got away with it for a year though, with millions of eyes on him and the top LE detectives in the country on his tail, so I’d say he’s pretty slick. Maybe not quite slick enough though, hopefully.
I understand if you are completely confused right now and I apologize, but this case is like a labyrinth in so many ways.
Accusations about the Victims’ Sex Lives (If Any)
I would like to address one more thing.
It has been said that we have written that both girls were very sexually active or promiscuous. We never said any such thing. We speculated that one of them may have been sexually active due to a longstanding rumor that one of the girls were barely pregnant.
Our latest thinking is that it is not true according to Becky Patty. We took a tremendous amount of heat for that theory, but we didn’t start it. That rumor was flying all around Delphi and the surrounding area for some time. We spent months trying to falsify that rumor because it was creating so much bad publicity for us, but we were not able to do it until Becky Patty spoke up. I would like to thank Becky from the bottom of my heart for clearing up these rumors.
Our current opinion is that we have no idea if either girl was sexually active, although one had a boyfriend. We don’t feel that this question is important to the murder investigation. It might be interesting to the friends and family of the girls if they want to learn details about how these girls lived their lives, but it’s a personal matter for their friends and family. Bottom line is we don’t know the answer to that question and furthermore, it has no importance to the investigation, so we think people should stop talking about it.
Possible Crime Scene Photos Showing a Victim’s Body
This is the photo that we thought was of the one of the victims at the crime. It was taken from a news helicopter flying over the scene. The format was a long video, over 30 minutes. This photo was taken from a still from that video during a portion where the copter was flying over some woods, and there were numerous flashes going off. To us, it is obvious that those were crime scene photographers photographing the crime scene. Therefore, this had to be a crime scene photo showing a victim’s body, albeit in widely distorted and nearly unrecognizable form.
Just to show you how scientific we are, problems soon came up with this theory, and we had to seriously reevaluate it.
First of all, this photo is apparently from a different area that is not near the crime scene. Instead it is over by the cemetery. I was never able to prove this for myself, but a couple of my sleuths kept insisting that based on landmarks, this photo was nowhere near the crime scene. I will take their word for it for now.
Second, some have suggested that the “crime victim” in that photo is about 15 feet tall based on measurements. This was never proven to me either, but if it’s true, it rules out a victim’s body, as neither girl was anywhere near 15 feet tall.
We now have a 15 foot tall “victim’s body” in the wrong place away from the crime scene. So this photo looks like a dud.
However, there is a major problem with the theory that this photo is a dud. And that is all of those flashes going off in the woods. Obviously those are detectives photographing the crime scene or some scene associated with the crime. Why would they be away from the crime scene over by the cemetery photographing some part of the woods? Did the killer leave some evidence over there on his way out? That seems bizarre, and I still keep thinking this must be the crime scene.
So here we have a typical situation in science where something cannot be false and it cannot be true either. In science, we call this sort of thing a “problem.” In my particular field, linguistics (I publish in peer reviewed academic journals and books in this field), we are always investigating problems (things that don’t make sense or cannot be explained well) in an effort to solve them. That is what many papers are about. These seemingly senseless and unsolvable problems crop up all the time in science and even in life. Often after a while, we figure out a solution, but a lot of things we never end up figuring out one way or the other, and they just end up being forever mysterious.
Which is where I resign these photos to. These photos are mysteries. We do not know what those are photos of. Maybe that is a girl’s body from a murder crime scene. Maybe it is not and it’s some artifact or something else in the woods. We have no explanation for the flashes not being near the crime scene if that is true. We don’t know whether that object is 15 feet tall or not.
Our verdict is that that photo is of an unknown object in the woods near the crime scene on the afternoon the bodies were discovered. You all are free to speculate all you want to about these mysterious photographs.
The rumor mill has not been particularly active other than one main source that does not appear very credible.
Rumors: Unfortunately, many rumors have been going on about Mike Patty, the adopted father of Liberty German, accusing him of either committing this crime or being involved in it. This rumor states that Mike refused to give DNA. It also says that a detective working on the case recently visited Anna Williams and told her that he suspected Mike Patty was involved. The detective also stated that he had followed Mike Patty and family to Disney World recently. In addition, the detective said that LE suspects that the Delphi Murders involved two different people. The rumor also said that Mike Patty is under surveillance and has been for a long time. Mostly not credible.
We have gone over many people in this investigation, and indeed Mike was a suspect early on. We went over him like a fine tooth comb and looked inside and out, up and down and all over the man. Sometimes I think we know more about Mike than he knows about himself. However, we did the same thing with a number of other people. Nevertheless, it was not long before we abandoned him.
However, some people would not stop plugging him. I had one man who was so insistent that Mike was the killer that he would not stop emailing me with his theories and sleuthing (which he did a good job of) of Mike. I eventually told him to stop because he was bothering me, and I thought Mike was innocent. We have ~200 people in our group, and I do not think anyone suspects Mike Patty anymore. So far, our verdict is: Mike Patty is innocent of this crime.
Rumor: Detective visited Anna Williams and gave her details about the investigation. Possibly credible, but there are problems with as detectives are not supposed to do that.
Rumor: Detective stated that they are looking at two people for the murders. Possibly credible. Perhaps they do have two suspects. Or maybe they have just one. This is still up in the air at this point.
Rumor: Detective followed Mike Patty and family to Disney World to tail them. Not credible. We don’t believe that this detective or any LE followed them down there.
Rumor: Mike Patty is under surveillance and has been for a long time. Not credible. We simply do not feel that he is under investigation as a suspect in this crime.
Rumor: LE think that Mike Patty was in on these murders. Not credible. As I said, we think he’s innocent, and we believe that LE thinks he is innocent too.
I apologize for forwarding these rumors, but they are flying around a lot and, at the very least, they need to be debunked. As if poor Mike Patty did not have enough to worry about!
And this is a bit off-topic, but as we got to know them via the media and friends, we think that Mike and Becky Patty are two very good people and they have handled themselves well through this ordeal. Becky has been particularly helpful.
Rumors about the Murders
Warning: These rumors are gruesome. Nevertheless, they are very pertinent and need to be dealt with. After all, this is a homicide case. Don’t you think the murderer’s method in the murders is important? It’s one of the most important parts of any homicide case.
Rumor: Both girls had their throats badly cut and were nearly decapitated. Partially credible, but sadly it does appear true for one poor girl. Incidentally, a wound like that is something that you might expect with a garrote rather than a knife.
Rumor: The girls were killed by garroting. Possibly credible. This one has been around before, but now it has a lot more momentum. One of the wounds is compatible with this theory. Also we think that BG may have a spool in his right pants pocket. You can wrap fishing line around a spool like that, and 40 pound test fishing line would make an excellent garroting weapon. However, we have no conclusions about garroting in this crime. Maybe it was done, maybe it was not. Knives were certainly used though.
Rumor: One girl’s head was badly bashed in in the back with a heavy object, possibly a rock. Unknown credibility. This is the second time we have heard this one, and we don’t know what to think of it. This rumor has very little momentum, and we have just heard a peep here and there. The heavier rumors tend to be more credible than the scarce ones. We simply don’t know if this is true or not. However, our question would be whether a wound like this would have been visible on the girl’s head at the open casket. Also one of the men who discovered the bodies did not mention this type of wound, and we think he might have.
More Pregnancy Rumors
I told you to buckle your seat belts because here we go with this one again. Presently, we believe that neither girl was pregnant.
Rumors: Liberty German was in the very early stages of pregnancy. She had told Abby. Abby’s mother, Anna Williams, knew because Abby told her. Anna Williams currently states that Liberty German was pregnant. Becky Patty never knew. She only found out later when she was going through Liberty’s things. As far as why Becky denies it, she is supposedly in denial. As you can see, this rumor is back, and this time it is quite power-packed with a lot of specific information. Not credible.
Liberty was not pregnant and never told anyone she was. Anna Williams never said Liberty was pregnant. Becky didn’t discover evidence of pregnancy later when going through Liberty’s things.
I apologize for bringing up this pregnancy rumor again, but if these rumors are flying around, at the very least, they need to be falsified.