There Are Two Alt-Rights, Not One, and the Alt-Left Is Poised to Defeat Both in the Next Decade
I don’t know who the Hell he is talking about, but it sure ain’t us.
In response to the Trumpster mass shooting at the Quebec mosque that killed 6 Muslims and injured 19 more, Spencer tweeted a couple of tweets that were seen as nasty and insensitive. One tweet asked why there was a synagogue in a White Christian place like Quebec in the first place. The other said this is a good reason why Muslims should go back to Muslim lands, because when they come here, nutcases try to kill them! Wow, talk about blaming the victim.
The tweets set off a firestorm of criticism. A flurry of new threats against Spencer appeared on social media.
The other day, Spencer traveled to Philadelphia for some reason. When he was there, antifa made posts on social media telling people that he was in Philadelphia and urging people to assault him.
Word is that antifa are tracking his movements somehow, possibly via intelligence gathering operations. I doubt if he will be able to go much of anywhere without having his whereabouts known. Looks like he’s pretty locked down. I suggest Mr. Spencer invest in some bodyguards. It would not bother me if no one hit him again, but it looks like the antifa have got it in for him. Spencer will surely continue to be threatened and followed and may face even more violent attacks in the future.
Subir: I don’t think people here appreciate the driving force behind the Bannon-sponsored immigration orders.
Bannon wants to reverse the demographic changes that have occurred in this country after the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act was passed. This is about making America White Again. Very literally. Secondarily it is about Making America Christian Again.
That’s why the white-supremacists love Bannon and Trump. They want a separation of races and religions.
I will have to do a diary about this because people keep assuming this is about illegal immigration or employers or some other shit like that. It’s not. It’s about racial purity, plain and simple.
Ellid: We rarely agree, but I think you have a point on this. Bannon and the other racists do not at all like the idea of America becoming browner, even though demographically it’s inevitable.
These superb comments were taken from Daily Kos. I actually had never before thought of Bannon’s project in this way, but this may indeed explain his goals in part, and it also explains why he is such a hero to the Alt Right.
Some feel that Trump’s right-hand man Bannon has a “make America White again” agenda of reversing the White demographic decline after the 1965 Immigration Act and years of illegal immigration. There does not seem to be any sense to all of these anti-immigrant decrees except to attack immigrants solely on the basis that they are largely non-European. If immigrants were mostly Swedes and Italians, these anti=immigrant projects would not be underway.
Even the illegal immigration project is mostly about race and culture. If we had 11 million Norwegians and Portuguese illegal aliens living here, no one would care. In fact, there would be a clamor to legalize them.
This is why the White Supremacists on the Alt Right are so ecstatic about Bannon. These people also want to halt White demographic decline and even reverse it if possible. This is actual one of the Alt Right’s Number top projects, if not the top project. It is only in looking the demographic changes flowing from Bannon’s anti-immigrant decrees that these executive orders start to make sense. I believe that Bannon may indeed be on board with the White Supremacist project to halt White demographic decline and even reverse it if possible.
Technically, Trump is not a fascist. Yet. But he’s close enough for me. I believe that Trump is the most fascist president this nation has ever had. We have never been this close to fascism before.
Experts on fascism say that Trump is a rightwing populist. But when you go further right from rightwing populism, the next stop is overt fascism. Rightwing populism is just a way station on the Fascist Highway. Others have called him a pre-fascist or a proto-fascist. All fascism experts agree that Trump shows a number of fascist characteristics in spades. There’s just not enough to make the full diagnosis. But as he cements his dictatorship, his underlying brown t-shirt may become increasingly clear. Anyone who cannot see the fascist elements in Trump and for that matter, the criminal organization called the Republican Party does not know the meaning of the term.
Trump has been quite hostile to US Blacks, and the recent Holocaust Memorial statement was odd towards Jews. Trump got sued for housing discrimination against Blacks. His father engaged in housing discrimination against Blacks for decades. His Dad was also a White Supremacist, worse, an out and out Nordicist. Trump’s father was a member of the KKK and participated in anti-Catholic and anti-Italian riots in New York in the 1920’s.
Trump has nominated a very racist man, Mr. Sessions, for Attorney General. His hostility to Blacks has been palpable his whole career. The mere act of nominating Sessions as Atty General shows extreme hostility towards Blacks.
Trump called a Black man at one of his rallies a thug and told supporters to throw him out. Actually he was a Trumpster himself.
Trump got into a huge fight with John Lewis the civil rights icon soon after his election. On Martin Luther King Day of all days, he sent out tweets bashing Lewis. He also declined to make a statement about MLK as is usual or to pay a visit to the MLK Museum. The symbolism is not hard to figure out.
Trump is obviously extremely hostile to Muslims bordering on the fanatical.
Trump seems to be displaying an awful lot of racism against Mexicans and Mexican-Americans. He called them criminals and rapists in his speeches.
Trump’s right-hand man Bannon took over the Breitbart website and soon turned it much more racist. There were articles celebrating the Confederate flag and there is a section of the site called “Black Crime.” Bannon openly stated that he wished his site to be the flagship of the White Supremacist Alt Right. Under Bannon’s tenure, the site became much more racist against Blacks and hostile to gays and feminists. A Jewish former editor said the comments section became overrun with open Alt Right White Supremacists under Bannon’s tenure. Bannon stated in the past that we should restrict voting to property owners only. He noted that this would considerably reduce the Black vote and Bannon said that would be a good thing.
The Alt Right, of which Bannon says his website is the flagship website, is an actual fascist grouping whose end goal is indeed fascism, the real deal. So Bannon has lined himself up with actual fascists with a fascist project for the country.
I am dubious that Bannon is actually an out and out White Supremacist, and I think a lot of the Left’s charges against him and Breitbart are idiotic.
Trump’s cabinet is almost 100% White men. There are not even many Jews.
Jason Y: The part about dumping gays and trannies might gain some sympathy, but action against non-Whites and the disabled makes the Alt-Left seem too hateful.
We are not dumping gays and trannies, we are just with to lessen the celebratory rhetoric about these people that ends up treating the abnormal as normal and the normal people as freaks. Face it, it’s not normal to be a transsexual and fully homosexual. It’s abnormal. So is being left-handed or having green eyes, but if everyone was left-handed or had green eyes, we could deal pretty well. If even 20% of society was gay or tranny, the consequences to society would be catastrophic. Since gays are only 3% and trannies are maybe .15% of the population, it’s no great shakes to deal with them, but even with those low numbers, transsexuals and homosexuals still cause a lot of societal problems, so these are not exactly positive things society-wise.
On the other hand, I think the Alt Left in general wants full rights for gays. That is, we support most if not all of the political causes that the gay community is pushing right now. I personally participate in gay political campaigns, which is why it’s a bit rich that I keep getting called homophobic.
We support basic minimal rights for transsexuals. I am not sure about the transsexual bathroom issue. I doubt if it will be much of a problem if we implement this, but it’s not a very important issue either. Perhaps the Alt Left will go neutral on the transsexual bathroom issue.
I believe an employer ought to be able to discriminate against gays or transsexuals if the person looks noticeably odd like a lot of transsexuals do or if their homosexual behavior is blatant and flaunted. For jobs involving meeting the public, an employer ought to be able to say, “Hey, this person’s going to scare customers away.” In that case, the flagrant gay or transsexual still ought to be able to get a job say in the back room somewhere where they are not serving as a front to the business with the public.
I think transsexuals are generally mentally ill, but mentally ill people generally deserve full rights, and their mental disorder is not dangerous to others.
What sort of action does the Alt Left advocate with regard to non-Whites other than reducing legal immigration, stopping illegal immigration, ending birthright citizenship and restricting the abuse of work visas such as H-1B’s?
The Alt Left opposes all discrimination based on race, ethnicity, etc.
Furthermore, we believe that the Voting Rights Act needs to be put back in, strong efforts to curb Republican efforts to keep Blacks from voting (similar to Jim Crow).
We would like to see the Housing Rights Act much better enforced. As it is, there is still a lot of housing discrimination against Blacks because there is little enforcement of this act. Black people need to be protected against all forms of discrimination, not just employment but also in voting and housing.
On the other hand, the Alt Left opposes Black Lives Matter. Rather than evil, I simply see BLM as idiotic, absurd, unnecessary and counterproductive.
And how is it that the Alt Left is advocating any harm for the disabled at all? In fact, we very much support the state’s disability programs and would even like to see them expanded and liberalized, believe it or not. For instance, in the UK, people on the equivalent of SSI can make as much money as they want. They usually do not make much due to their problems, but still.
And SSDI will let you work quite a bit. I knew a guy who worked 28 hours a week on SSDI. He said they just deducted his check. And if you are making good enough money on Disability, just cut the check to zero dollars and let them keep the medical care. If they become ill again and have to cut back or stop work, bring back the check in some form, but don’t throw them off the program. If they are disabled, they are going to have some serious health care needs for as long as they are disabled, so it is important for them to keep health coverage.
What’s so bad about that?
Jason Y: Anyhow, note, if there are certain bozos drifting off toward Trump from the left, then good riddance !!! Who needs them anyhow? I mean, they know who Trump is and what he represents. It’s not like they were lied to.
I disagree. We should take any people leaving Trump or heading his way that we can. If they renounce support for Trump and the Republicans, they can join our movement. Better to have them with us on the Left than over there on the Right causing chaos.
Here are some examples of what I mean when I talk about hardcore, ugly, nasty obsessive antisemitism. It goes way beyond saying, “Jews are rude and obnoxious.” Hell, I have heard a lot of Jews and Judeophiles say that! That’s nothing. That’s just real talk by real people.
From the video I linked to earlier, here are comments of the nutball in the video.
This sort of stuff really has no place in the Alt Left as far as I am concerned. How is ugly, nasty, obsessive antisemitism an Alt Left value? I can’t see it.
The White race of today are the ‘Lost sheep of the house of the man called Israel’. Not that litter box in the Mideast. The entire connotation of the subject matter you relate to is RACIAL. Period! The Covenant was handed down from Abraham to Issac and then to Jacob who had his name changed to ‘Israel’. Duhhhhh! Got it Karen, it is about RACE. Had to write it this way to get your attention. Actually you are looking for the truth, and I just gave it to you. Have a great White racial day.
Truth is Truth no matter what anyone else says. Everyone has been going loony over this Jew/Black “Queen” of darkness, and I haven’t even gotten into the dope/opium wars with China that the “Royal Family” forced onto China. They may pretend to look ‘pure,’ but they are as evil as darkness in a cemetery.
There is no substitute for TRUTH, especially RACIAL TRUTH.
The battle is already raging all over the world and has been for hundreds of years. The clever Jews are the ones who ‘rigged’ the wars and all alliances so the White race would slaughter each other while the Jew stood aside and watched gleefully and frothed from the mouth. BUT…because of the computer with worldwide connections, the world in the past 5 – 8 years especially is waking up to the Jew menace and to what they have done and are planning to do. Stay strong…the enemy, when they fall, shall never ever arise again.
Arabs are not Caucasoids per bloodline, especially relating to the bloodline of Jacob/Israel the man.
It’s great to learn and understand the truth that has been kept from you most of your life. Communism is Jewish, and always will be. The most evil of evil.
Trash: Why are proles obsessed with Jews?
TJF: To Trash:
To the best of my knowledge your average White prole is not obsessed with Jews at all (and generally supports them especially if they are evangelical Christians..). In polls White gentiles have a better attitude towards Jews and Israel than Hispanics and Black… But, WN’s are definitely obsessed
Total Jew Face is absolutely correct. Your average prole in flyover country knows nothing whatsoever about Jews and cares nothing about them. Some of the fundamentalists may dislike Jews for not being Christians, but that’s not common at all.
The Whites who hate Jews are almost all the White racist types, especially the more extreme ones. The whole spiel about Jews programming us via the media comes from the White nationalists, Nazis, or whatever you want to call them.
I have no idea how people in cities feel about Jews either. Traditionally Old White Protestant money has disliked Jews.
My mother grew up around these people and every time I mention rich Whites and Jews, she says, “I know those people. I grew up with them. They don’t like Jews.”
She said the rich Whites mostly did not like Jews since they weren’t Christian. There was also a more rational attitude that Jews lie, cheat and steal and cannot be trusted.
There is very little antisemitism, organized or otherwise, in the US.
Now I am talking about the real deal antisemitism, the nasty stuff. I don’t have to describe it for you. You know it when I see it.
Of course Jews are paranoid victim addicts who are continuously scanning the world around them for signs that people hate them. Or dislike them. Or look at them wrong. Or think bad thoughts about them. Or whatever. Probably 80% of what silly Jews call antisemitism is nothing of the kind. These people are similar to those humans who always think everyone is out to get them even when they are not.
The notion that poor Whites or proles in rural areas, small towns or flyover country hate or even dislike Jews is very mistaken.
This notion of the commenter that poor trailer trash Whites hate Jews probably stems from a huge lie that the Jews themselves push:
Massive Jewish lie: The Jews say that everyone who hates or dislikes them in America dislikes them because they are losers. They are poor people who never went to college. They live in trailer parks. I remember when I was on Usenet Jewish and Israeli groups, all of the Jews believed in this lie 100%. This lie was made up by the Jews to trash their opponents as poverty-stricken losers and failures who blame the Jews for the failures in their lives. The Jews made up this stupid lie so they could feel better about themselves. Proof that most Jewish people are at least somewhat delusional lies in the fact that almost 100% of Jews actually believe this bullshit.
What’s the truth? Yes a subsection of White racists, mostly White nationalists, hates or dislikes Jews. But there is no evidence that White nationalists are poor, losers, failures, or anything like that. In fact, my perception after hanging out on American Renaissance for a long time was that White nationalists apparently all believe that they are rich and they think all other Whites are rich too. A number of them did seem to have some money or property. It was not unusual to see professors, schoolteachers, policemen, attorneys or physicians on there. You would be surprised at how many successful people are White racists and even White nationalists. There was also a very strong contempt for working class Whites on there. The hatred was so thick you could cut it with a knife. There was one guy on there named John Engleman who was pro working class. I believe he grew up in a coal mining family in West Virginia. He is widely hated on that site and the attitude there is extremely anti-worker, anti-union, anti poor Whites, etc. The mindset of White nationalists in the US is actually very elitist. It is not too different from commenter Trash’s own elitism.
These moronic anti-racists who peddle some retarded version of the Jews’ big fat lie need to go back to the drawing board. Most White racists in the US are not that way because they live in a trailer and have failed in life and want to blame someone. I would imagine that they have average to even above average incomes. Nor did most White racists learn their racism at their mother’s breast. Whites in the US seem to have become racist due to their experiences in life with Blacks and to a lesser extent Hispanics. Mostly they are appalled at the behavior of these groups, in particular the former.
RL: I will make alliance with any and all SJW’s against Trump and the Republican Party. They’re the real enemy. SJW’s are not our enemies. They are our people who have sadly become deranged. But anyone who thinks PC or SJW’s is the main threat is crazy.”
Tulio: That’s a good way of framing it. I was at the women’s march for my city yesterday and was struggling with how to feel about SJWs. I’m not exactly PC myself, and I have some views about masculinity/femininity/feminism/homosexuality that would get me excommunicated from that crowd. But I was willing to put those differences aside and march with them as a show of force against fascism. Now’s not the time for infighting within the resistance. There are bigger fish to fry.
I will agree with Tulio 100% here. Much of the Alt Left appears to be locked into a war against SJW’s. While it is understandable as a lot of these SJW’s are out and out idiots and fools, this is a very bad use of resources right now.
The Alt Left is a Left movement, and I would go so far as to say it is a movement of the Revolutionary Left. The enemy are blocking all efforts at peaceful change, so we are going to have to go beyond peaceful methods. That doesn’t mean killing people or even seriously hurting people, but a little property damage never hurt anybody. And destroying the property of our class enemies, the rich and the corporations, seems like an Alt Left no-brainer to me.
The Alt Left is not out to reform the system via peaceful change or elections, as the enemy is blocking all efforts at electoral change. The system is so rotten anyway that any peaceful change seems dubious, with new ugly faces probably just replacing the old ugly faces. Instead we are out to destroy the whole system and replace it with something else.
The Alt Left position is that we need to get rid of this elite and replace them with new people. The governments across the board, the MSM media, the DNC Democrats, the career government people in the CIA, Pentagon and State Department, they all need to go.
Any Left or radical democratic governments or people in government or media can stay. Who should we replace the rotten ancien regime with? I would say to replace them with something like Bernie Sanders supporters. Yes, they are mostly SJW’s, but the people they would be replacing are so much worse.
The MSM media needs to be destroyed and replaced with some form of New Media, ideally a Radical Democratic Media.
The Alt Left should use peaceful methods where we can. For an example of our peaceful revolutionary methods, look at the lawsuits launched by the Green Party to ask for recounts in the obviously fraudulent elections of 2016. Those lawsuits are an Alt Left revolutionary way of taking out the system because at this point, with Republican electoral fraud going back nearly 30 years and even the Democrats now getting in on the fraud, it is the whole rotten electoral system is riddled with fraud from top to bottom that the whole apparatus needs to be taken out.
Note that no actual recounts were actually done in three states, and Republicans fell all over themselves trying to stop the recounts. A nation where possibly fraudulent elections are banned from being recounted by law is not any sort of democracy in any way whatsoever. So we can see that the Greens’ use of peaceful methods was completely thwarted and useless which points out my view that peaceful change is useless since the enemy is blocking all efforts at peaceful change.
When I say Revolutionary Left, I do not mean putting in a Left dictatorship. Instead the Alt Left would support something more like the Radical Democracy that the Greens are calling for. The Greens probably hate the Alt Left, but we have more in common with them than they think. The Alt Left will certainly make alliance with any Greens if they will tolerate us. They are all SJW’s, but we have bigger things to worry about now.
Even for the Left Wing of the Alt Right, I realize that a lot of these people are Whites who are not fond of Blacks, Browns and other non-Whites. That actually does not bother me a whole lot, although that is not my position in any way. Obviously these folks are locked into a war with SJW’s, PC people and especially the antiracists. All of these groups are excellent enemies, and they much earned a lot of much-deserved enmity. But I would say that even for the Left Wing of the Alt Right, the primary enemy even in race terms should be the Rich, especially the White Rich.
The White Rich are the class enemies of the Left Wing of the Alt Right. They will always be the primary enemy. I certainly think that any beefs these people have with non-Whites or antiracist SJW’s are of much lesser importance than the primary class war which has heated up to such a point that we are close to an objectively revolutionary situation. Although I am not speaking to most of the LWAR crowd due to their support of Trump, it might be interesting to see how they feel about my advice.
The Alt Left motto at this juncture should be: Make the country ungovernable!
Fuck niggers: Bull shit Arabs are white. Arabs are Mediterranean-Eurasian mix. Whites are the oldest race, and DNA has proved it, fucking nigger lovers. Die, you fucking Jew.
God, I love the Alt Right! My, these are such friendly and nice people! So warmhearted! So kind and sweet! So loving, giving, soft and sensitive! I just love these guys so much. Every time I hear them talk, I want to run up and hug one of them. They’re all saints, every one of them, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
Seriously, I get comments like this just about every day on here. They all get deleted, except I decided to show you this one to show you what these folks are really really, I mean really, like. Next time you hear someone talk about the Alt Right or Richard Spencer or Matt Heimbach or the National Policy Institute or Jack Donovan or Matt Forney or The Right Stuff or the Traditional Youth Network or any other of those fine gentlemen or civic organizations working for the common good of all, just think of this comment up there that sums up what these guys and their groups are all about.