I am going to publish, in full, a recent comment by a Hindutva commenter. It’s about rejection of the Aryan Migration theory, but it’s also an excellent summary of Hindutva ideology as well. My comments at the end. The spelling was horrible in this comment, and the writing itself was poor. The comment required an extensive edit before it was published. My comments follow at the end.
I take it back a few hundred years, when the British first landed and invaded India, soon the British where killing, murdering and looting India. They destroyed Indian industries that competed with Europe, they created vast famines that starved millions, and they created the vast amount of poverty you see today. Vast canals were built which today is the leading cause of malaria – still water.
India before British occupation had more land under irrigation, was not poverty stricken and was quite wealthy across all castes. So the British not only having destroyed Indian society, wealth and structure, also destroyed native Indian schools, and replaced them with Taliban style English education.
People like Thomas Macaulay and others believed that White people where superior, just plain racism, in the same way Islamic Taliban thought they are superior, in the same way the Nazis thought they where, these people created and set up the educational system in India today, as well as the Congress party which was created and funded by the British to create a viable, western controlled, western centered political party called Congress.
At the same time the British created the vast slave networks from West Africa to North and Central America, created the slave code, and restricted and abused every slave and many slave generations after that, all the while doing it in the name of Jesus Christ, just like the Islamic Taliban in the name of Allah.
So these White people looted and abused virtually all parts of the world, be in China forcing opium onto the Chinese to open up markets, laying genocide on Indian people, enslaving the Africans, creating barbaric slave codes, where such cutting of ears and limbs to keep the slaves under control, the absolute destruction of South America and North American societies. The rape and plunder of Africa, all these highlight the intellectual thought and belief process of the White man.
The vast amount of wealth stolen from Asia, taking it from the richest area on earth to the poorest, and at the same time, Europe went from the poorest to the richest, again White people want you overlook that that DISTINCT relationship.
In Europe, after the slave empire of the Romans collapsed, Europe fell into the Dark Ages where the church forbade science, cleaning one self, restricted technology because through a shallow mindset all these where considered anti-Christian, such things as to wash, as to promote education, and science, it’s under this ideology that the White man has raised itself.
In Europe the elite classes had a more rigid class structure than anywhere else in the world, master and slave classes of Europe that contained the royals, the blue blood, knights, lords, and the peasant classes, the harsh and brutal treatment of the peasant classes lead to massive riots and revolts against the oppressive regime of the elite.
During the 17-19th centuries, Europe waged a religious and trade war against the heathens who did not believe in Christ, the same Christ that was murdered and then used a promotional tool to inflict more misery on the rest of the world.
The British, the Portuguese, the French, the Taliban Europeans, embarked on a religious war that would take over the world, such as slavery, opium wars, the Spanish Inquisition, the Goa Inquisition, on and on, the slave codes, the slave and master relationship in America that lasted 300 years, the same people that stole the wealth from India, the British, are the same ones talking about how poor India is, it’s this mindset we are dealing with.
So I ask again on what merit, on what grounds, on what morality, on what ethics, on what evidence we accept a racist White-centric view that Aryans invaded India, then it became the Aryans migrated, an now it’s a Aryan movement?
The jewel on the crown of Britain was the capture of India. Throughout history, the Greeks, the Romans, the Egyptians, the Persians (in the Avesta and Vedas, it mentions that the tribes of the Zoroastrians came from India and were banished from that land, not the other way round), the Chinese, have all asserted that India was the richest, most intellectual land on earth, with a very liberal society.
The Greek math and scientific knowledge was already known in India, many Greek philosophers would go to India to study the truth, the concept of numbers, binary code all came into being in India, Pythagoras theorem was already known in India, the Roman treasury was emptied every year with the giving of huge amounts of wealth to India in return for its produce, why didn’t the Romans just invade like they did with Europe?
So like I said I have many reason not to accept a White Nazi racist version of India, and I have more reason to support a Hindutva idea of India.
So it’s under this environment of White racist rule that we get the Aryan theory, a perfect theory from a racist, prejudicial mindset, its no different from an Islamic Taliban mindset, and those people who label Hindutva as militant, or right wing, are the same ones that claim slavery, opium wars, genocide of America, and India was a movement to bring civilization, ironic, or just a mindset of racism itself?
No one can dispute the European imperial campaigns of Asia and the known world, no one.
So no one can deny that Europe had a biased, racist, prejudicial position in the way it dealt with matters outside of Europe? It’s hardly big stop to make, the people that invaded the rest of the world with brutal genocide would also defame and humiliate the people in textbooks, just like the way Jews were belittled and ridiculed by most of the European elite. So it’s under this era, it’s by these people that we get Aryan theory.
Which was a direct self defense mechanism to suggest that India, the richest, most advanced land on earth, far superior than Europe, was in fact somehow related to the conquering Whites. Can you imagine the white Europeans from cold climates, with the idea that they are the people from a great civilization, only to realise that India and Indians are far superior, and that European history actually derives from Indians?
That is something that Whites could never accept, the White barbaric Christian Taliban style mindset, which created such genocidal action across the world, such as slavery, war in China, India, Africa, stolen Australian children, under this CV, the White majority and mentality was something they could not accept.
Remember people, India has never asserted that it was Indians who went out of India, even though the evidence proves this, yet the white Europeans have since the 18th century asserted this idea over and over again, till the point that Nazi Hitler rose, and that racist ideology broke Europe, many say that was a fight for freedom but in reality it was a fight between European dictators who for the past 300 years had brought misery and genocide to the rest of the world.
So the same people that created such misery and poverty are now pushing the Aryan theory, now tell me, does it seem like the people who would create such a story, have a biased, racist, prejudicial view? From this assertion is it a greater step to believe that the Nazis who killed the Jews didn’t humiliate the Jews further in textbooks? Is this to hard to believe, or is it another Hindutva lie, because the history of White racists and the history of Hindutva is the same, right?
As you clearly know, that campaigns of Hindutva enslaved Africa, China, and Europe, the Hindutva armies landed in London, slaughtered many people, and then imposed an Indian language on the elite…I’m sure you all remember that!
So it’s from this history that Aryan theory comes from, is it any wonder that such a story was conducted to fill in the gaps white European history?
To me…no…it fits the actions of the people at hand.
So a logical person, free from bias, can see the racist, intolerant, prejudicial view of the White Europeans, however this illogical viewpoint for many becomes the starting point of most debates, you see White people want to set up the rules in which such a debate takes place, so they purposely omit the chapters of European brutality in India, China, Kenya, etc, because they know that these actions then underline the racist, illiterate viewpoint of Aryan theory.
Abut the degradation of the caste system, now tell me, which society remains the same when all levels of the society have been ravaged, in other words, when the British looted India, did they only loot the rich or the poor as well?
Did the vast amounts of wealth stolen from India contribute to the massive poverty in India today? According to all independent accounts, the answer is a massive yes, but according to the West, it was known as civilization. Again, most of you have the intelligence to work out the difference.
Just like Nazis humiliated the Jews, today the British do the same, it was through the 200 years of robbing that India is poor today, prior to the British, the Indian education was universal for all castes, after the British only lavished on the high elite classes, like I said, who are you to believe, the Whites with the 500 years of absolute slavery and genocide or India with no history of religious conquest?
Remember it wasn’t India that claimed the Earth was made in 6 days, or the universe with an age of 6000 years, however in India the claims they made are more in line with modern science that anything Christianity offered.
It was under this intellectual shock to the White system that India was the home of civilizations, of European history, of language, of math, etc. that the West invested huge amounts of wealth in creating vast Nazi style English schools to further promote that idea to the middles classes of India.
In the same way millions of Germans where brainwashed with Nazi ideology, like I said, did the Europeans have an agenda in India, or where they just purely there for the honorable deeds of stealing wealth and land? Think about it.
Throughout Greek, Persian and Roman history, they all mention one land, that’s India.
The source of all math – of numbers, of algebra, of Pythagoras theorem – the first land to have vast cities across many miles, the oldest universities, the richest trade routes, the oldest scriptures, a culture that has existed in spite of many foreign attacks, even when the rest of the world fell to Christianity and Islam, India even after being ravaged yet still retains its Vedic culture, you cannot convert Indians as they know the spiritual truth.
Why did Europe have a passage to India? Because it was poor? Why did Europeans all send ships to find a passage to India, after the central route was taken by Christianity’s Islamic sister?
Why are the West Indies named Indies? Why are the Native Americans called Indians? It shows the extent to which the Europeans searched for India, that in mistake they named the West Indies and Americans were named Indians.
So with little effort we can see that Europeans from the Dark Ages have been searching for wealth and seeking treasure abroad, to the point in mistakenly calling other lands and people Indians, with little effort we can see the racist and intolerant actions of the West and Christianity in general. It’s under this thought process that we live today; it’s under these intellectual opinions that we get Aryan theory.
Just look today at Europe, it cannot sustain itself without immigration, again shows the roots of a young, shallow society, as the vast amount of stolen slave and trade wealth is now running out, places like Asia, which where the richest land on earth before the west looted it, are now easily returning back to becoming the richest economies in the world.
Asia has the biggest and largest populations, which is a key indicator of long sustained civilizations. Asia has a vast population that underlines it great history, that in itself shows the strength of Asia. Even after almost 300 years of Europeans looting Asia, stopping all developments in Asia for 300 years, Asia is retuning to power, because itself is the source of wealth.
That’s why Aryan theory is pushed again and again, a White desperate attempt to realign the creation story, making them the creators and the rest followers. Again, who first went onto ships and looked for India? I don’t think Indians ever contemplated seeking the United Kingdom. So for any intellectual to overlook the barbaric history of Europe and deny it any bias or lies is a complete idiot.
What’s Aryan theory? Aryan from Europe migrated and taught THE INDIANS. Quite a claim to make, after taking India’s wealth, so already accepting the superiority of India in looting their wealth, as you don’t rob poor people right.
Nowhere in any Indian scriptures do they mention ANY ARYAN HOMELAND OUTSDIE OF INDIA ITSELF.
Nowhere, actually they make the direct statement that out of India, the races of man originate. In the Bible, they are called Noah and his sons, Shem, Sham and Jayepti. But in India, the EXACT same story in the fish Puranas, which predates the Bible by many hundreds of years, claims that Shem, Noah, Sham and Jayepti were Indian, and were sent out of India. Now how does a Biblical story from India end up in the Bible?
Now recent genetic data has proven that all Europeans and many American and north Africans rose out of four mtDNA groups that arose in India between 10-50,000 years ago.
In European history it is known that Europe was invaded by people from East, who brought farming and agriculture. Throughout pre-Christian Europe, the acceptance of India as the central source is united, from Popes, the siege of Masada, where the Jews named the Indians as the people to copy before the Romans broke in, in terms of bravery. With more genetic data, its now proven and accepted that a back migration took place from Asia back into Northeast Africa.
The Egyptians claim they came from the East, today we see that many Somalis, Berbers, Ethiopians have genetic traits that take them back to India. If we go back to the Vedas, nowhere does it mention a place in Europe, now let see, why would a European Aryan not mention at all the original homeland of Aryans?
Because like I said, the Aryan homeland is north India, and hence why mention anyplace outside, as it does not? Whites stated that Aryans created the caste system; again this is proven false, as caste was created as a native system of government predating any Aryan invasion claim.
The distinctions between high and low castes are almost negligible and caste organization was created before any Aryan theory, just this alone disproves any White outsiders coming in and imposing their system, in facts it’s almost laughable.
DNA proves this to be a joke also, but it does mention that North Indian have genetic trait that are close to Europeans, but, and its a big but, that the Indian r1a1 gene is 4-5000 years older than in Europe, therefore solidifying its position as the creator, and reinforcing the notion that out of India the people went.
Nowhere has any evidence suggested that white Aryans invaded India and destroyed cities, their is no, NOT ONE evidence to suggest this at any Indus valley site.
Aalso what happened when the British Christian Taliban claim that due to their own failing to understand the life of the Earth, to be only 6,000 years, they claimed a migration sorry invasion date of about 1,500 years ago.
Again genetic data has proven no large invasions of any kind into the Indian population, and regard it as little to minor and predates 10,000 years. Yet DNA has proven that European farmers entered into Europe as recent as 6000 years ago, BRINGING with them farming techniques not from Europe but further east and south.
But before this, I asked myself has their been any other migration in recent historical memory from India. When the Islamic armies invaded northwest India, a large movement of people took place, they where called the Romani gypsies.
They where pushed out or ran away from the murderous armies of Allah, and for the best part of 400 years they had been moving steadily north and west out of India, into central Asia, north Africa and eventually Europe itself. What’s so important is the genetic look of these people, DNA has clearly shown that all Romani gypsies where from Punjab/Rajasthan, that’s their homeland.
Now if we go to UK, or western Europe, these Romani gypsies today have lighter skin tone, and look almost as native as the British or other native Europeans,
However if we take the migration route back to northwest India, then we can CLEARLY see a darkening of skin type with those gypsies closer to India.
So here is a clear indication of how Indians ventured out, and influenced European society, and with that dispersal the skin tone got lighter and lighter until they reached UK, and today you cannot tell the difference between Romani gypsies from India who migrated out to western Europe, and with time, slowly got lighter in skin tone to the point where they look almost like white Europeans.
This is the out of India theory, that shows how EASILY the Aryans came from India and ventured out, and today we can see this journey being made by looking at the Romani gypsy group extending from India to the UK.
Another argument is that in the past, caste was an innocuous system, and was only turned oppressive by the Brits. Apparently not true. When the Brits showed up, caste in all of its horrors was already in full swing in India, and the Brits were appalled by it. What we glean of history seems to show that caste in its fully expressive oppression, dates all the way back to the Vedas. Caste was not any kinder in the past, in fact, it was probably much worse than it is today.
The comment then goes on to say the opposite, that the Brits thought they were superior to the Indians. Make up your mind. Which is it?