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Race in Vietnamese Antiquity

Vietnam writes:

That’s wrong. Viets already looked very mongoloid (flat-faced) before the Chinese invaded their country ~ 2200 years ago. Anthropologists Mongoloid-looking people already appeared in Vietnam ~3800 years ago. After Viets broke free from China, they took Champa and Cambodia and absorded those peoples (less mongoloid-looking peoples).

Viets became much more diverse that you can see today. If you keep tracing back then every country in Asia was not mongoloid looking. Japan only started to looked mongoloid ~2500 whereas. Ainu people were roaming in northern Asia very early…Oldest mongoloid skull found in Asia is only about 7000 years old.

I do not agree with this in whole, but I do agree with it in part.

The Dabut Culture began ca. 8,000 YBP but developed from 5,000-6,500 YBP. This culture was found in the northern part of Middle Vietnam (provinces Nghe An and Ha Tinh). Radiocarbon dating for this culture gives dates from ~3,500-5,000 YBP.
Anthropological studies show that Australoid elements dominate in the skulls of Da But, Con Co Ngua, Quynh Van and Bau Du. They belong to Mongoloid-Australoid or Melanesian race.

Skulls of the Peinan culture on the southeast coast of Taiwan look very much like this and may be related. The Man Bac people were Austronesians. Man Bac skulls are classed as the Ancient SE Asians – the Indonesian race. Recently, a very important burial field of those people was excavated at the Ninh Binh (Northern Vietnam) site of Man Bac. A 14C-dating for this site is 3,530 YBP.

But the first human occupation here could have been as early as 4,000 YBP. It was the age of many late Neolithic, early metal age cultures such as Phung Nguyen, Hoa Loc, Ha Long and Go Ma Vuong. These people were living in real villages. Some of them had already developed an agricultural society as in the case of Phung Nguyen culture. A great deal of rice and rice artifacts were found in the late phase of this culture. They cultivated Oriza Sativa, a large developed type of this grain.

Growing rice established new cultural developments with lots of settlements with rich potsherd layers, many domestic animal bones and rice remains. The non-food productions of pottery, stone tools, and especially jade ornament artifacts showed that a surplus economy in food production had developed. For the Pre-Ðôngsonian culture (2,800-3,500 YBP), many big burial fields in the Delta of Ma River have been excavated.

Pre-Ðôngsonian skulls have strong elements of Australoid, but elements of Mongoloid are clearly increasing – Austronesians. The Quy Chu and Nui Nap people are identified with the Southeast Asian or Indonesian race. Ðôngsonian – or Ðông Son – Culture in Vietnam was regarded as the most developed culture in late prehistory of Vietnam. It began 2,700-2,800 YBP, and ended with the complete occupation by the Han Dynasty in 2,200 YBP.

The Ðông Son culture belonged to the Iron Age and is found mainly in North Vietnam, southward only to Da Nang (18N latitude) and northward to southern Kwangzi and Kwangtung of China. The Ðông Son are Tai. Anthropological research confirms increasing Mongoloid elements in the Ðông Son skulls. However, the Ðông Son peoples belonged to the Indonesian or Ancient Southeast Asian group – a Southern Mongoloid with strong Australoid elements (Cuong, 1996).

In summary, in response to the poster’s comment, I do not agree with him that Vietnamese were full Neomongoloids 3,800 YBP. This is just not correct.

3,800 YBP Vietnamese were part of the Dabut Culture. Dabut people were Mongoloid-Australoid transitionals or Paleomongoloids. Skulls from Man Bac 3,500 YBP show that the Man Bac people were ancient Austronesians possibly from the Peinan Culture in Southeastern Taiwan. These people are classed as the Ancient Southeast Asian Race which is today the Indonesian Race. So 3,500 YBP, Vietnamese looked like Indonesians. This race is a Southeast Mongoloid Race with strong Australoid elements.

From 2,800-3,500 YBP, the Pre-Ðôngsonian Culture existed in Vietnam. These would also be classified as the Indonesian Race, but Mongoloid elements are now increasing over the Australoid. These people were also classed as Austronesians, possibly once again from Taiwan. These would be Taiwanese aborigines.

By 2,200 YBP, there was a huge invasion of Vietnam by the Southern Chinese Han who conquered the entire nation. At this point the transition to modern Vietnamese began. Modern Vietnamese are best seen as a Southeast Mongoloid Race with some Australoid elements. They are probably best seen as Neomongoloids as opposed to Paleomongoloids.


Cuong, N.L. 1996. Anthropological Research on Ðôngsonian Skeletons (in Vietnamese). Hanoi.


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More on the Finest Mixed Race of Them All – The “Hapa”

S. D. writes: Eastern Europeans have some Asian blood in them-Charles Bronson was an example-all the way West to Hungary (Named after Huns from Northern China).

Finns, though blonde, also derive some ancient Asian genes through the Lapps who were apparently present when the Germanic tribes migrated Northwards in antiquity.

The Filipino ruling-class are Eurasians.

My point is this ain’t nothing new under the sun, folks,

The grandchild of a white male and an Asian female that is 1/4 Asian looks no different than an Eastern European.

That is why the continent is called Eurasia.

Japanese are some ancient mixture of Caucasoid Ainu from Russia and ancient migrations from Korean peninsula (In this instance the Asians exterminated the whites).

Manchurian Chinese are Eurasians from the steppes of Soviet Siberia.

What is the big deal?

I love a lot of mixed race people because I think a lot of mixed race people are even more beautiful than those of the pure races that formed them. Further, some races that are not very attractive to me can create very beautiful people by mixing with another race. Even some mixed Aborigine-White women can be quite beautiful. One is a famous Australian model.

East Europeans do not have much Asian blood in them – maybe 3% in Czechs and not a whole lot more in your average Russian. It’s less than 12% at any rate. Finns and Turks are 7% Asian, a bit more.

Go look up some photos of people like the Mansi and the Khanty. Very, very mixed Asian-White to the point where you see people with blue eyes and blond hair next to people who look very Asiatic – very strange looking but somehow beautiful.

Some of the groups around the Altai like the Altai people and the Khakas are also extremely mixed – more or less 50-50 in those cases but really more like 40-45% White and 55-60% Asian. These are the ancestors of most Amerindians.

Tatars and Bashkirs are also extremely mixed, although I believe they are mostly White. Nevertheless some of the women look very Asiatic.

Turkmen are also very mixed – I think they might be 40% Asian.

The Ainu are not Caucasoids either by genes of by skulls. On skulls they are Australoids – basically depigmented Northern Veddoids – and on genes are they are simply Asians. People think they are Caucasoids because Veddoids have look somewhat Caucasoid themselves and a depigmented Veddoid can look (falsely) quite Caucasoid and also because the mix between an Australoid and a Mongoloid or Paleomongoloid can often appear mysteriously quite Caucasoid in phenotype. Check out the Ainu and the Veddoids, some Polynesians, Papuans and even Aborigines, some Southeast Asians such as some Khmers, and especially the Taiwanese aborigines who often look very “Caucasoid.”

Northern Chinese may well have Caucasoid in them from way back, but the genes are no longer present. Mongolians have more White in them – they are 14% Caucasoid.


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The Australoid-Mongoloid Transition in Asia and the Americas

The first Amerindians from 9-14,000 YBP were Australoids. All of Asia was Australoid until 9,000 YBP. North Asia transitioned away from Australoid at that time, but the transition out of Australoid happened much later in south.

For instance, the full transition did not occur until 2,200 YBP in Vietnam, and in all probability, Filipinos, Malays, Indonesians, Nicobar Islanders, Taiwanese aborigines, Montagnards, some Thai hill tribes, Nagas and probably others never fully transitioned over and hence are referred to as Paleomongoloids. The lack of full transition in the south is due to the Australoid-Mongoloid transition occurring so much later down there.

Whether Amerindians are a Paleo or Neo Mongoloids has never been completely answered. The Na Dene people in the Far North may be more Neo. There were still a few Australoid tribes at contact, and an Australoid tribe called the Pericua lasted for some time in Baja California. Whatever is left of the Yaghan and other Patagonian tribes may well be Australoids also.

However, the Eskimo or Inuit people are full Neomongoloids as are the peoples of Siberia.


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A Look at the Tsou Language

Method and Conclusion. See here.

Results. A ratings system was designed in terms of how difficult it would be for an English-language speaker to learn the language. In the case of English, English was judged according to how hard it would be for a non-English speaker to learn the language. Speaking, reading and writing were all considered.

Ratings: Languages are rated 1-6, easiest to hardest. 1 = easiest, 2 = moderately easy to average, 3 = average to moderately difficult, 4 = very difficult, 5 = extremely difficult, 6 = most difficult of all. Ratings are impressionistic.

Time needed. Time needed for an English language speaker to learn the language “reasonably well”: Level 1 languages = 3 months-1 year. Level 2 languages = 6 months-1 year. Level 3 languages = 1-2 years. Level 4 languages = 2 years. Level 5 languages = 3-4 years, but some may take longer. Level 6 languages = more than 4 years.

This post will look at in the Tsou language in terms of how difficult it would be for an English speaker to learn it.


Tsou is a Taiwanese aborigine language spoken by about 2,000 people in Taiwan. It has the odd feature whereby the underlying glides y and w turn into or surface as non-syllabic mid vowels and in certain contexts:

jo~joskɨ -> e̯oˈe̯oskɨ  = “fishes”

Tsou is also ergative like most Formosan languages. Tsou is the only language in the world that has no prepositions or anything that looks like a preposition. Instead it uses nouns and verbs in the place of prepositions. Tsou allows more potential consonant clusters than most other languages. About 1/2 of all possible CC clusters are allowed.

Tsou has an inclusive/exclusive distinction in the 1st person plural and a very strange visible and non-visible distinction in the 3rd person singular and plural. Both adjectives and adverbs can turn into verbs and are marked for voice in the same way that verbs are. Verbs are extensively marked for voice. Nouns are marked for a variety of odd cases, often referring to perception, (visible/invisible) person, and place deixis. The place deixis cases can be seen below:

‘e –               visible and near speaker
si/ta –           visible and near hearer
ta –               visible but away from speaker
‘o/to –           invisible and far away, or newly introduced to discourse
na/no ~ ne – non-identifiable and non-referential (often when scanning a class of elements)

Tsou gets a 5 rating, extremely hard to learn.

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How Do We Define a Race of Humans?

aircommodore writes:

Robert, you’ve probably done this already but can you please provide a definition for “race”?

Based on this post here, The Major and Minor Races of Man, where I divided humans up into four macro races, 11 major races and 115 minor races based on genetic distance. The questioner wants to know what my methodology is for determining what a race is and what it is not.

Here was my method and I must admit that my methodology was completely impressionistic in that I would just look at how far certain group[s were from each other to determine where they were racially. I didn’t have any strict figures that I was using (more sort of general ones) but I used the same basic distance for all groups.

At some certain X genetic distance, you a race. At some certain less than X distance, you have groups in the same race.

For instance, I created a South China Sea Race due to data showing that Filipinos, the Ami aborigines of Taiwan and the Guangdong or Hong Kong Han all formed a nice tight genetic race because they were so similar to each other. On the other hand, there is no Guangdong Han Race, Ami Race nor Filipino Race as they are all part of a larger group or actual race. I am not sure what you might call them – perhaps those three could be called ethnic groups.

On the other hand, the Puyuma Taiwan aborigines were far enough apart to even be in a separate race from the Ami.

The biggest races of all – the huge groups with the most genetic distance from each other, form Macro-Races such as Caucasians, Africans, Asians and Oceanians. Included within those groups are eleven Major Races the names of which elude me now as I forget what I called them. For instance, I believe I split Asians into Southeast Asians, Northeast Asians, and Amerindians because those three groups are so far apart that you really need to split them.

Within each Major Race, I split each one up in to a number of Minor Races. Within say Northeast Asians, I had the Japanese-Korean Race consisting of the Japanese, the Koreans and the Ainu because they are so close to each other genetically and they form a nice neat little cluster that is away from all other groups.


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What Race Is This Person

Ethnic Chinese from Pernakan, Malaysia

A Peranakan Ethnic Chinese from Singapore.

Here we have an interesting phenotype. I knew this woman was an ethnic Chinese Teochew speaker originally from Malaysia now relocated to Singapore. The weird thing is she looks part-Caucasian! She is also said to be part-Malay, that is, she has some Malay blood mixed into her Chinese. Her Chinese line came from Guangdong in the far south of China over 600 years ago. This is where the Teochew speakers came from and where Teochew is still spoken to this very day.

Since Malays are frankly Paleomongoloids (Australoid-Mongoloid transitionals), I thought perhaps her Caucasoid appearance meant that she was mostly a Paleomongoloid. That is because when you interbreed an Australoid and a Mongoloid, you can sometimes end up with a Caucasoid looking phenotype. The Ainu, the Taiwanese aborigines, and some Polynesians and Khmer are evidence of this.

However digging into it a bit more, I discovered that she is a Peranakan Chinese. The Peranakans came to Malaysia between the 1400’s and 1600’s. Many settled in Malacca State adjacent to the Straits of Malacca. The former Dutch colony of Indonesia is a short boat ride away and supposedly there were many Dutch living in Malacca at the time having moved there from Sumatra. This woman is rumored to be part-Caucasian by her family. People say that many Peranakans are part Dutch, as the Dutch bred in with many of the locals. The best theory is that this woman is mostly Chinese, part Malay and also part Dutch. There is a huge Peranakan community in Singapore.

All in all, a pretty interesting phenotype.


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The Breathtaking Effects of Culture Should Not Be Underestimated

hypothetically, if you are good at reading people, you are good at sensing their true motivations. and we know that HBD’ers and racists generally will often say that “blacks won’t civilize after we give them civilization.”

If the HBD’ers and racists say that, they are just wrong.

My point would be that West Africans are the “raw material” of US Blacks. That’s their starting point. And I am 100% certain that that’s where the US Blacks would be without 400 years in the West.

The difference in behavior between US Blacks and West Africans is in my opinion shocking. I started to ask myself why this was. US Blacks are 25% White, but are those fancy White genes really enough to do much to counteract the 75% Black genes? A genetic conclusion seemed unlikely. The only other thing I could think of was culture.

Acculturation. Civilization if you will. The American Black, the Negro, is simply the product of 400 years of civilizing Western Christian higher civilization. And the difference between US Blacks and their true raw material, the pre-contact Africans, seems so incomprehensible that one is tempted to conclude that they are from two different planets. In some ways, the differences were so extreme that there seemed to be no way that this change could be due to culture, but apparently it was.

Even HBD’ers and race realists should not dismiss culture, acculturation and civilization in radically changing the behavior of human groups. Culture is what I would call a “super-environment.” It is so potentially powerful that it is almost scary.

In addition to my recent exposure to West Africans, I have now read many explorer notes from the first White explorers to Africa. The notes are unbelievable. They found such savagery, brutality, viciousness, sheer evil, stupidity, sloth, dullness, horror, selfishness, etc. that it is almost hard to comprehend. In short, many humans in an uncivilized state are unbelievably awful. They are simply brutes on the level of raw animals or even worse. They’re not even Hobbesian. They are worse. They’re a walking idiotic, insipid horrorshow.

I read those accounts not so much as an account of the inferiority of Blacks in a primitive state. I saw those pre-contact Blacks instead as emblematic of simply humanity in the wild.

And indeed, uncivilized Melanesians, Polynesians, Taiwanese, Andaman Islanders, Australians, Papuans, Amerindians, etc. acted or continue to act somewhere near as bad as the pre-contact Blacks in these reports, if not even worse. Melanesians, Taiwanese, Polynesians have dramatically improved since contact 150 years ago.

The Taiwanese are as civilized as Japanese. 90 years ago, they were headhunters.

150 years of modernizing civilization turned even the shockingly vicious Maori into “new men.”

I saw a recent report of a contact with Andaman Islanders, and they make modern West Africans seem like choirboys. The level of sheer raw animalism was stunning.

A crew studying these people invited a few Andaman Islander women onto their boat. Within the space of maybe 30 minutes, the women were caught stealing over and over. They would try to rip off anything they saw. It was explained to them that these items belonged to other humans and were not theirs, and they just didn’t get it. They even tried to pull watches off men so they could steal them.

They also made a great big racket for no reason and basically acted like 3 year olds. With one crucial difference. In that half hour, the women repeatedly approached different men on the boat, started grabbing the men’s bodies and genitals, grabbing their own breasts and genitals, exposing themselves, and grinding up against the men. What was going on?

These animal-like women tried repeatedly to fuck several different men on the boat, going from man to man and trying on new men after one man pushed her away. If allowed to, they would have fucked these White men right there in the boat in full view of everyone with scarcely a care in the world.

That sort of behavior is far worse than you will see in any modern West African, and it probably shows that Africans not only reached a higher civilization level pre-contact or 200 years’ experience with the modern world in terms of colonization and modernity has dramatically improved and civilized even Africans beyond their pre-contact state.

Which is truly amazing, considering that in my opinion, these people generally act awful. Sure, right now they seem like the worst, but you should have seen them 200 years ago! They’ve gotten so much better that it’s like night and day. And Andaman Islanders even today are more savage and animalistic than even most pre-contact Africans. One wonders if there is a lower limit on human savagery. It almost seems like there literally is no bottom.

Some Amerindian tribes in the Amazon are still stunningly vicious, primitive and animalistic, though their societies function unlike collapsed West Africa, and they are not nearly as primal as Andaman Islanders or even pre-contact Africans.

Yet Amazonian tribes can be monstrous. Put a bowl of food down in front of a Piraha, and he will eat every single thing on the plate, not leaving a scrap. Whatever they have is used up immediately. They don’t save anything because they don’t even have the concept. They have two numbers – one and more, and only a few colors – lighter, darker and not much else. They don’t believe in time and could care less about calendars, watches, etc. which they consider meaningless and idiotic.

They are so ethnocentric that they consider all non-Piraha to be so utterly inferior that they are barely even worth talking to. Shown objects of modernity, they laugh and reject them as idiocies created by preposterously inferior humans.  They refuse to learn Portuguese as it is the language of  “those moronic inferior fools.”

In recent years, a number of uncontacted Amazonian tribes have disappeared. Others were thought to have vanished but instead were reduced to very low levels, and they slowly built back up. Over and over in reports of Amazonian tribes in the 20th Century one reads, “genocided.” The reports say, “genocided in 1944 by unknown group,” or “attempted genocide recently, few remain.” It was incredible how many tribes had not just engaged in pointless and horrific tribal warfare, but had either been exterminated or had experienced attempted exterminations by other groups.

Because this is what man does in a primitive state. He wars with all the groups around him, and it is common that the wars become so diabolical that one group simply overruns the other group and attempts to wipe them off the face of the Earth – men, women, children, old men, anyone and everyone.

This is what humans do. We exterminate each other. Genocide is a normal behavior for humans, a way of life. It’s how we live.

A tribe called the Yanonamo is one of the most vicious and unhinged tribes recorded. The men are frighteningly violent. They beat their wives with great frequency, and children are regularly beaten too. Childhood for a Yanonamo child is an endless series of beatings. The men engage in continuous tribal warfare with other groups in which fatalities occur regularly. In addition, Yanonamo men murder each other regularly over disputes, which are quite common and often heated. It has been estimated that by age 40, every surviving Yanonamo man has committed at least one murder.

The tribal Afar in Ethiopia fetishize violence and murder. Tribal war is common, and almost all Afar men past a certain age have murdered another man, usually from another group. In fact, an Afar woman will not consider marrying any man until he has committed at least one murder! You want to get laid? You better start killing people. A man who murders more than one man becomes better in the eyes of the women, and many of the best Afar women hold out for men who have committed 3, 4 or better yet 5 murders. But the ultimate Alphas, the men sought after by every Afar women, are the Ted Bundys of the tribe. These men have killed 10 or more murders. They are the ultimate studs.

I do not believe that all humans in an uncivilized state act awful and horrific. But a lot of them do, and as you can see, races capable of the nadir of Hobbesian brutishness span across the human genome. Even IQ scores widely vary from ~62 for pure Aborigines all the way up to 90 for the Maori. So you see, even dramatically increasing the intelligence of a human in the wild doesn’t necessarily civilize him or make him act better. A full two standard deviations rise, and the brutality and evil either remains the same, or possibly in the case of Maori, becomes even worse.

What is the point of this post? That civilization, which is really just acculturation and cultural change, has striking effects on humans. The civilizing mission is a good thing and most if not all groups acting badly or engaging in primitive or less civilized behavior are capable of acting better, even breathtaking better, simply via the super-environment known as culture, acculturation, or civilization.


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A Division of the Asian Races

Found on the Internet:

My definition of the subgroup of mongoloid appearance due to their climatic origin. I am referring to the pure ethnic group before any mixing of ethnic groups.

  • 1. Northern Mongoloid: Tungusic, Mongol, Tibetan, Korean, Northern Chinese, Japanese, Nivki, Chukchi, Yakut, Tuva, Yukaghir, Samoyedic
  • Very cold climate – cold winter, cool summer
  • Small eyes, single eyelid
  • Very Pale skin
  • 2. Southern Mongoloid: Southern Chinese, Burmese, Thai, Lao, Hmong, Mien, Vietnamese, Chin, Shan, Kuki, Bai, Lahu
  • Temperate climate – cool winter, warm summer
  • Medium sized eyes, double eyelids
  • Fair skin
  • 3. Southeast Mongoloid: (Paleomongoloid or Australoid-Mongoloid transitionals) – Taiwan aborigine, Montagnard, Akha, Khmer, Filipino, Indonesian, Malay in Malaysia/Singapore, Karen, Karenni, Naga, Rohinga
  • Hot, tropical climate – no winter, hot summer
  • Large eyes, double or triple eyelids.
  • Brown skin


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What Is the Difference Between a Neomongoloid and a Paleomongoloid?

Steven writes:

What’s the difference between Paleomongoloid and Neomongoloid? You got a post on this?

Paleomongoloids are more archaic Mongoloids. Amerindians, Filipinos, Nagas, most SE Asians, Ryukuyans, Indonesians, and Taiwanese aborigines are all probably Paleomongoloids.

The base Asian type is Australoid. 2,000-9.000 YBP, Asian base Australoid types began transitioning to Mongoloids.

The Australoid is the archaic Asian type, and the Mongoloid is the fully transitioned more progressive type.

Koreans, Nivkhis, Eskimos, Mongolians, many Siberians, Japanese, and Northern Chinese are all Northern Neomongoloids. The transition began 9,000 YBP in the north. The Ainu represent the base type that transitioned to Neomongoloid in the north.

In the South, Southern Chinese, most of the ethnics in Southern China especially Yunnan, Hmong, Mien, and Vietnamese at least are Southern Neomongoloids. The transition happened much later in the South, 2,000-5,000 YBP.

Because it happened so much later, a lot of people in the south are not fully transitioned, hence they are considered to be Paleomongoloids or Australoid-Mongoloid transitionals. In the South, the Paleos are Taiwanese aborigines, most SE Asians, Filipinos, Indonesians and Naga at the very least. Polynesians and Micronesians are also probably Paleomongoloids.

Paleomongoloids to the north include the Ryukuyans and the Ainu.

Amerinds are often considered to be Paleos because they seem to represent a more archaic Mongoloid type than say the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese or even the Eskimos.


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Asians and Caucasians: Archaics, Transitional, and Progressive Forms

Anthropology 1994 writes:

If Chinese are equivalent to Americans and Koreans to Nordics, which European or Caucasian type will the Japanese and Vietnamese be equivalent to?

Not sure, Japanese and Koreans are pretty much identical. I am not sure what to do with Vietnamese.

Those types of comparisons between Mongoloids and Caucasoids are very difficult and maybe impossible to do – the groups are just too different and they have very different histories.

If you are asking what an archaic protoform or paleo transition form of Caucasians may look like, maybe they are similar to South Indians.

Thing is, we can see a lot of the transition in Asia. There are still many Australoid proto-Asians (Melanesians, Papuans, Aborigines, Ainu, Senoi, Negritos, Tamils) and there are also many Neomongoloid Neoasians (Chinese, Japanese, Mongolians, Koreans, Vietnamese). In between we have the Paleomongoloid Paleoasians in transition (Polynesians, Micronesians, Thais, Lao, Khmer, Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos, Taiwan aborigines, Nagas).

For Caucasoids we simply have Caucasoids. Not many people make a distinction between Neocaucasians, Paleocaucasians and Protocaucasians because hardly anyone knows what the Paleos and Protos look like. We are probably not even sure what a Paleocaucasian looks like, but the South Indians and the Saami may be a good example. We are lost when it comes to Protocaucasians. In other words, for Caucasians, we mostly just have the fully transitioned form in Europeans, Near Easterners, Central Asians and even in Arabs and North Africans. All of these are pretty much fully transitioned Caucasians. But no one really knows that they transitioned from or what the transitioning forms looked like.

Asia looks a lot more in flux. The world of the Caucasians looks like a done deal.


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