This stuff is just getting nuttier and nuttier all the time, you know?
I am going to start posting this sort of insanity on a regular basis I think.
This stuff is just getting nuttier and nuttier all the time, you know?
I am going to start posting this sort of insanity on a regular basis I think.
Here is a new radio show with me. Daryl Basarab and I discuss the whole Alpha/Beta/Omega thing. We have some differences of opinion on it, but overall, it’s a great discussion.
Daryl Basarab: I disagree with “Game theory” because different PUA’s use completely different game. Robert Lindsay befriends females and slowly sneaks up on them romantically while Return of Kings advises you to do the opposite. Here’s my take: It’s not as much the motus operandi as the amount of time you devote to it. If you talk to a bunch of women in clubs and bars, eventually you’re going to find women who want to engage in sexual acts. Is it really worth the time investment? I answer that question with no.
In the radio program, I made my point that prostitution if done on street corners is a good value. If you make $40k a year, that’s about $20 bucks an hour. If you spend five hours in a club, you’ve clearly exceeded the $20 bucks on the corner.
Lots of talk about PUA/Game stuff if you are into that, especially something I call Friendzone Game, which is something I came up with. This is basically a Game to run when you are more or less friendzoned by a woman so you can take it out of the Friendzone and into sex/relationship, etc.
We also discuss what Alpha/Beta/Omega, etc. are all about. Basarab thinks they have more to do with Status, Money, Power, etc., but I opt more for Looks and pure Game. So yes, Donald Trump got women via Status, Money, Power and Fame, but he’s also good-looking, and I imagine he has some insanely killer Game too.
People who become Alpha simply by running into a lot of money, such as Omegas like Bill Gates becoming Alpha simply by becoming rich and famous are not real pure Alphas in my opinion. Those are what you might call Artificial Alphas. You take all that money away, and that guy is back to being an Omega again.
There are also what I would call “Synthetic Alphas.” These men are not really Alphas, but they can fake it pretty good. They are able to fake it good enough that it pretty much works. The old fake it til you make it thing. I’m not sure if people can tell the difference between a pure Alpha and a good faker.
Now to me, a pure Alpha is not dependent on Money, Status, Power or any of that. He’s the guy who walks into the room, and most of the women in the room think, “Oh I want that guy!” That’s the pure Alpha. And the pure Alphas don’t even need money. Many Alphas are poor and never have any money. Many others are criminals. Jails and prisons are full of Alphas. Even in to middle age, many Alphas are living in cheap apartments and driving older cars. Yet these guys still continue to date beautiful women. I would say that an Alpha could even get women if he’s homeless.
I also point out that the Alpha/Beta/Omega thing is only useful for sex and romance between males and females, and it has little other utility outside of that. I suppose even male society breaks down into Alphas, Beta, Omegas, etc. but it’s not as rigid or even as brutal as the terms that females place on us. I have not thought much about Alpha/Beta/Omega stuff with men, but I suppose there’s a possible useful theory out there.
I’m just not interested in hierarchy among men. I suppose I am sort of a Sigma in that regard.
My attitude towards my male competition is generally, “LOL. What competition? You see any competition? I don’t.” To me there’s no such thing as male competition. I’m not sure if I actually think I am better than other men so much that I think I’m hot stuff, and the other guys are simply not even in the picture. Some highly accomplished males might be on my level, but in that case, we are comrades or wingmen and not competitors. I like life better that way. I don’t want to get into the whole male hierarchy thing of bettering and one-upping other men. It seems like it just makes you always frustrated and never satisfied, and it probably gives you a heart attack in the end.
I don’t want to fight other guys anyway. I would rather have females fight over me. I have always said:
Now we tend to think men like this are assholes, and they are in some ways, but that’s Alphas for you. Alphas are not very nice. It’s no accident that penitentiaries are full of them.
I would say that if females are fighting over you, you’re Alpha. If females are buying you gifts all the time, you’re Alpha. If you are living off women instead of the other way around, you’re Alpha. As you can see, Alphas turn normal male Game dynamic on its head.
Male society is dominated by males competing for women among other things. It’s all about men fighting each other for women, trying to buy women, supporting women, etc. The guy who fights off the other guys gets the woman. The guy who buys the most gifts gets the women. The guy who supports women the best gets the women.
Alphas have completely dropped out of normal male society and have turned the whole thing upside down on its head. They invert reality. It’s actually quite amazing.
I also point out that Alphas need Looks and Game usually. Looks minus Game is nearly worthless. I have known guys who were the best looking men in town who went 10-20 years without even one date. Game minus Looks is just about worthless too. An unattractive man can have the greatest Game on Earth, and it won’t do him the slightest lick of good.
Basarab felt that there was nothing much to Game, and if you just put yourself out there enough, you would get women. He felt that men only had good Game in that they put in a tremendous amount of effort into getting women. Beyond that, he conceded that men with good Game probably had good social skills.
I argue that there is way more to Game than that, and I feel that Game is so deep and complex that you could nearly write an encyclopedia about it. Men with good Game do a lot more than put in the time, and anyway, incel forums are full of men putting in a lot of effort trying to get women forever and having no luck at all. And there’s way more to it than just good social skills. I know lots of men with good social skills who don’t have much Game at all. Their Game is pretty much zero.
The PUA sites are correct to see Game as a science to be studied like any other science.
I have always said that women are chess. It has never been easy for me to get women, and I am apparently pretty good at it. But even back when I was very good at it, it still was not easy.
Women simply don’t put out the way that men want them to. The heterosexual dating scene is not the gay male dating science. There is no guarantee of getting laid even if you go to a bar or nightclub.
If it was that easy to get hot women, why is there a whore market? There’s a whore market because women deliberately create a sex shortage and ration out sex very carefully, generally in return for love or some sort of provisioning. The whore market exists because of the economic conditions created by artificial scarcity that women have deliberately created to in essence drive up the price of pussy as high as possible.
The near-hysterical women’s rantings about “pedophilia” for men who in perfectly natural and normal fashion pursue jailbait teenage girl is also economically related – it’s related to the pussy market. Simply put, women fear the competition of jailbait teenage girls. If teenage girls were more available, more men would flock to them, and in a number of cases, JB’s would out-compete women for men. Flooding the pussy market with jailbaits serves to create an abundance of cheap pussy (as teenage girls hardly cost a nickel) and serves to in effect drive down the price of pussy that the women wish to keep as high as possible.
As I said, women are chess.
All relationships with women must be Gamed. Even your wife or girlfriend must be Gamed constantly. The only way to keep the relationship going smoothly at all is to run continuous Game on even your wife or live-in girlfriend. It is true that once you get close to a woman, you can relax your Game somewhat, but you still need to be cautious. Women are very sensitive creatures, and they get hurt and upset very easily. I have blown up whole relationships with a single sentence.
When I am with a woman, I am typically quite calculating, at least until I get very close to her. I carefully think about most things that I say or do. I am not spontaneous at all because to me spontaneity ruins relationships by causing you to say and do stupid things without thinking.
Seduction is a performance. It is a performance art. Not all men are good actors or even actors at all. Some few men are born actors, but the finest actors of all, the stars of the silver screen, are few and far between. As it is in celluloid, so it is in Game. Men with superlative Game are more common than great actors, but they are still not common. It’s a fine art and skill to be honed over a lifetime, and most men never get extremely good at it. Those few who do should be studied as one studies the greats in Acting School.
My answer to this question on Quora:
Forget all the nutty SJW Gay Politics types answering here. One of the big lies of Gay Identity Politics is that gay men don’t act any differently from straight men. Anyone with a brain knows that this is of course not true. Macho or hypermasculine gay men are as rare as hen’s teeth. Masc gay men are just not common.
The controversy over Reddit Gaybros makes this quite clear. Gaybros is a Reddit site for masculine gay men. One of the constant refrains heard from Gaybros is that they are alienated from normative gay culture, where this is not much of a place for masc men, and they are few in number anyway.
The response of the gay community towards Gaybros has been vicious. They have been accused of attacking effeminate gay men, of thinking they are better than effeminate gay men, etc. I read an article by a gay writer on Gaybros, and one thing it made clear was how uncommon masc gay men are in the culture.
They are outsiders.
Now the PC types on Quora are going to tell you the typical Gay Politics line – some gay men are masculine, some are feminine, some are in between. It’s a half truth at best. Yes, it is technically true, but it is sophistry, as feminine and effeminate gay men overwhelmingly outnumber masc gay men.
So…yes! You have touched on what everyone knows deep down inside: that gay men are far more likely to be feminine and especially effeminate than straight men. Yes, some straight men are feminine – soft, sensitive, pretty, quiet – and we always get accused of being gay. But the number of actually effeminate straight men – effeminate meaning a man who actually acts like a woman – is quite small. I would be surprised if it is 1%.
On the other hand, a vast number of gay men are effeminate. It may be as high as 70–75%. Many of the rest are “feminine” rather than effeminate. Straight acting gay men are not common, and masc gay men are like four leaf clovers.
So, sure there is a stereotypical behavioral set for gay men that includes some pretty effeminate behavior from voice to mannerisms.
Now you ask why so many of us straight White men “act gay.” Well, first of all, we don’t act gay. Truly effeminate straight White men are few and far between. I almost never meet one. But many straight White men are quiet, soft, pretty, sensitive and just aren’t very macho. We might say that they have a strong feminine side. I would say that homophobia is a lot less prominent among straight White men.
It’s nothing like the wild paranoia you see in Hispanic, Asian and even Black communities. This extends to women. Hispanic women want macho guys. Black women want very masculine men. It is only White women who are more relaxed about men such that they do not necessarily demand a macho man for a lover.
So there you have it. A lot of us White men, me included, simply have strong feminine sides. We are not afraid of these parts of ourselves, and in fact we are quite happy with them. A lot of us (like me) also have a strong masculine side going at the same time, which mostly just confuses people. Basically, straight White culture gives you a lot more leeway behavior-wise that you can get away with and still be considered straight and not have to worry about people screaming faggot at you when you walk out the door.
Black and Hispanic men are profoundly homophobic. I mean off the charts wildly paranoid homophobic. I don’t really mind in a way since I live in an Hispanic neighborhood, as I am convinced that levels of homosexual behavior are much lower in the Hispanic community as a result, although it must be difficult to be a biologically homosexual Hispanic gay man.
Most all East Asian men are quite homophobic with the possible exception of Thai men. Most Asian men are actually quite macho and hypermasculine, and there are strict gender role reasons for this.
Jason Y: I don’t think a guy Robert’s age or even my age (middle age) is going to meet an 18 year old girl except at a go go bar, but boy you will meet them there alright, but you cannot take them home.
Actually that is not true, as a 17 year old girl trying to seduce me last year, and it got so tempting that I had to cut it off with her because I was seriously worried I was going to cave. She was relentless! I was 58 years old!
But as a middle aged man who likes young women, I would say though that at my age, it does seem like it is very, very hard to get an 18 year old girl or even a woman in her 20’s for that matter. I see women aged 18-30 all the time around here, and most of them act like, “Get the fuck away from me, creep!” For the most part, I can’t even talk to them. If I try to talk to them at all, even if they are behind a counter, and I am buying something, they shut the conversation down just like that! For the most part, they are cold.
There are a few women in their 20’s who seem to like me, but most of them, just forget it. I think most of them don’t want men our age, but there is a certain quite small group that is seriously hot for middle aged men. There’s nothing wrong with them. It’s just that this is a small percentage of women that age, and most of them are not like that.
I know a few guys in their 50’s who were able to consistently grab 18-29 year old women, but it seemed like in most cases, they were the “best of the best.” That is, they still were very good-looking for their age, and in fact, I would say they were in the top ~20% for men their age, and they had the most Killer Game you could possibly imagine.
I talked to that 17 year old girl above about this, and I had the same conversation with a couple of other women in their 20’s that I got involved with. The teenage girl and the young women both told me that the good-looking females their age were not really into middle aged men except for a few of them. They all said the same thing: “When it comes to older men, we only want the best. We want the best of the best, and we can get them merely because we are young.” They said they were not interested in 80-90% of middle-aged men who they thought were too old or not attractive.
They only wanted the top 10-20% of the men Looks or Game-wise (probably both) in any age bracket. When I asked them what they went after in middle aged men, I was surprised that they did not say Money, Status or Power. Most said that they went after Looks, but even more more important than anything else was Killer Game. Generally it was a combination of Looks and Game. So it was Game first, and then Looks not far behind. They told me, “A few middle aged men are sexy as Hell. And some are still quite good-looking for their age. These are the only ones we want. The rest are duds.”
A middle aged man with great Game and zero Looks attracts zero young females. A middle aged man with great Looks and zero Game is just not that interesting and attracts zero young females. He’s boring.
Despite the fact that Looks + Game was a necessity, the men they went after often had some sort of Status or even Fame. The men didn’t necessarily need money at all; in fact, these females told me that a lot of times, these men hardly had a nickel. But they often had some sort of Status in one way or another. Maybe they had written a book. Maybe they played in a rock band. Maybe they had traveled the world. Maybe they had run their own businesses. Maybe they had met famous people. And it was not uncommon that these men had obtained some sort of Fame, if only of the most minor sort.
The fact that they are skimming off the top 20% of middle aged men in any age bracket means that they are targeting the Alphas. In other words, teenage girls and women in their 20’s do go after middle aged men at times, but they preferentially select the Alphas. They skim the 10-20% Alphas off the top of middle aged men and forget about the other 80-90%, who are apparently duds. They also told me that they were able to snag the Alphas pretty easily simply because of their youth. Because what middle aged Alpha doesn’t want a hot 18-30 year old woman? If she looks halfway decent, he will preferentially select her merely for her age alone and for no other reason.
This actually makes sense. As I have related, I had sex with teenage girls in my teens of course, and then I continued to do so until age 21 when I quit due to fear of jail. This was in the 1970’s, and things were completely different back then. And no one much cared about 14-17 year old girls with 18-21 year old men, 15-17 year old girls with 18-29 year old men, or even 17 year old girls with men all the way up to age 40.
At some point, you would be pushing things too far, and it was just too much though.
I remember reading an article in the local paper about a 53 year old man who had been busted for screwing several 15 year old girls. They were neighborhood girls who lived nearby, and they came over to this place. He would give them drugs – pot and cocaine – and they would give him sex. I am not sure if it was a drugs for sex thing, but that sort of arrangement is pretty common even with women, not just girls.
There is some sort of a trade-off happening there, whether the females are actually trading their bodies for sex or whether something else is going on is hard to figure. Heterosexual sex is usually some sort of a transaction anyway. Each side seems to be trading something away and getting something in return. That’s just the way it works out.
The man was busted for the charge of “statutory rape” and received a 3-year sentence. This sort of a thing was a joke back in those days. I remember my parents laughing when they read about these men. They weren’t considered “pedophiles” at all, in fact, no one would ever call a man a pedophile for going after a teenage girl. That was simply unheard of.
The word used was “statutory.” It was called statutory rape and was the subject of a lot of jokes and snickering comments. Men who went down on statutory rape were not considered evil or perverts or scum or anything like that. Instead it was thought that these men were facing a severe temptation that they had simply been too weak to resist, and they had caved in. The general feeling was that these men were sort of stupid, had exercised poor judgment, should have been stronger and not so weak, and “should have known better.”
Anyway, back in the 1970’s, I ran into many cases of underage teenage girls going for men aged 18-40. But I would like to point out that most guys my age did not do this at all. It was only a select few, and they had certain characteristics. In a word, most of them were what you might call the Alphas. They not only went after the JB’s but they also completely cleaned up with women in their age bracket (18-23) – often hotties – and some of them were even grabbing older women. The older women were sometimes married, and they generally looked pretty hot. They ranged in age from 27-38. They were cleaning up with the women and the girls both.
So just as Oscar Wilde said, “Women always want the best,” apparently that’s also true for teenage girls and women in their 20’s going after middle aged men. And it looks like we see the 80-20 rule once again. Of those teenage girls and women in their 20’s chasing middle aged men, 80% of these young females are chasing only 20% of the middle aged men, if that. 80-20 all over again. It might even be 10% because there are so few desirable men in that category. Maybe it’s even 80-10! Those poor incels, they can’t win for losing. It’s as if the whole game is rigged from the start.
The feminist/SJW Lie: First of all, I do not think that men should chase underage teenage girls. But the feminists and SJW’s over at Reddit Blue Pill and We Hunted the Mammoth say continuously that older men who go after teenage girls are losers who can’t get a woman their own age because they are so lame they can’t get laid with God’s help. Women their age are disgusted with them as they are totally Omega and undesirable, so these total losers go for the easy pickings, which is teenage girls.
However, my experience has shown me that this is not true at all. An older man who is so Omega and has such poor Game that he can’t attract a woman his own age to save his life is not going to be able to go after the “easy pickings” – the teenage girls. Because they simply are not easy pickings who go for any older man – Alphas, Betas and even Omegas – not caring as long as he is older.
And if anything, teenage girls are even more selective and preferential about men than women in their 20’s. Yes, women in their 20’s tend to go for the Alphas, but the truth is that a lot of them end up having sex with Betas quite a bit, and it’s not uncommon for them to even bed an Omega. Women in their 20’s are less selective than teenage girls!
And with women in their 30’s, the selectivity declines even more as they jump off the Alpha Carousel and start looking for a Beta to settle down with and have kids and a family.
Women in their 40’s are dealing with declining looks and a seriously diminishing pool of middle aged men, many of whom are already burning out into overweight, obesity, poor health, mental illness, alcoholism or addiction, chronic disease, massive baggage, jail and prison records, sketch job histories, seriously declining looks, or even embarrassing poverty.
Women in their 40’s often complain that there are no good men and that the pool of decent men their age is very small compared to the number of women chasing them. The Three S’s: Straight, Sane and Solvent, is supposedly all these women ask for, and while it’s easy to find middle aged men with at least one S, it’s not easy at all to find men with all three. At least one of those S’s is often missing. So women in their 40’s are less selective still!
Moving on into the 50’s, most women’s looks have so badly crashed that many of them look to me like wild animals who escaped from the zoo. I would date them except that I find bestiality immoral. That sounds sexist and evil, but I have told this to women in their 50’s who still had their looks, and they told me it was the same with men their age, and that most men in their 50’s looked like complete crap with trainwrecked looks. And they all laughed and said most men in their 50’s also look like wild animals.
Further, with men in their 50’s, we are dealing with some serious potency issues. Figures are hard to come by, but quite a few men in their 50’s have problems with erections. Actually I wold say they all do sooner or later in the decade, but that’s just an opinion. I have had women in their 40’s chat me up, and within the first hour drop the bombshell, “Sooooooooo, are you impotent?” as if it would be perfectly normal if I said yes. I could not believe that they would ask me that so quickly, but I suppose it’s a pretty serious issue with women dating men in their 50’s.
So the feminists and SJW’s are wrong again. Teenage girls are not easy pickings for men because most teenage girls only want Alphas. If you can’t get a woman your own age, the Hell if you can get a teenage girl. That would be even harder! And females seem to get progressively less and less selective as they age. The younger the female is, the more she preferentially selects for “Alpha” types. Hence you hear about women in their 20’s becoming part of the harems of Alphas or “riding the Alpha Cock Carousel” as the saying goes.
By the time they are in their 30’s, some say women are “post-Wall.” That means they hit a Looks Wall at age 30 where their looks start to go down rapidly after that.
I don’t agree with that, but then I even find women in their 50’s attractive nowadays because I have had to adjust my standards in order to discover the beauty and charms of older women. It was not that hard to do. I just told myself that I was going to try to find women that age attractive and started to look for attractive things about them and learn to be attracted to them, and after a while, I did. But I already sort of liked them anyway. Anyway, in their 30’s, women are even less selective.
The feminists have got it all wrong. Teenage girls and women in their 20’s are not easy pickings. At least the hot ones aren’t. They’re actually the hardest ones of all to get! And as women slowly age, it becomes easier and easier for a non-Alpha man to get one. In fact, the easiest women of all to get may well be women in their 40’s who are dealing with a serious Man Shortage.
Great post here. from Indomitable Thoughts, a blog focused on the plight of the incel.
The incident described occurred in a coffee shop. The woman was Hispanic and 23 years old and I was in my early 50’s, probably 30 years older than she was. I had my shirt unbuttoned a bit and she was staring at my hairy chest like it was a juicy T-bone steak.
I will say though sadly that I usually do not get this type of attention I described in this post these days. In fact, I am lucky if I get much of any attention at all.
However, I still do get some attention from women and even from girls!
But the overall effect is that I feel like an Omega and I am finally starting to understand how Omega males feel. And it does make you angry. I can see that easily.
In Reading Women Correctly, Robert Lindsay discusses the kind of flirtatious signals women give when they are interested in a man. At the end he notes how some commenters complain about not getting any signals at all. These guys, known as involuntary celibates or incels, are basically invisible to women sexually.
Robert describes instances where women are almost literally attracted to him in a carnal sense – in one case, a girl was staring at his chest hair as if it were a prime rib. This type of animal sexual attraction is rarely experienced by incels, and is a huge stumbling block for them because it’s very difficult to flirt with to a girl when she isn’t putting out any signals of interest to begin with.
Furthermore, this lack of interest prevents an incel from fine-tuning his attraction radar, so he can better piece apart when a girl is flirting or not. This causes the incel to stumble badly whenever an opportunity arises, if it ever does. In the best case, the incel ends up broadcasting his sexual inexperience, and the consequences can be far more severe. These types of outcomes only reinforce the incel’s sense of inadequacy, as he is already suffering from a lack of affection and validation to begin with.
I consider this phenomenon to be the core problem of incel. It is a vicious, self-reinforcing circle, that only gets harder to break out of with time. Poor attractiveness (for whatever reason) leads to a poor reading of signals, if any are sent by girls to begin with, which often results in harmful psychological repercussions.
I will discuss ways to break this vicious circle in a future post.
That’s not completely true, but there is some truth to this. Women love their gay friends and male relatives, and if you have a girlfriend, you damn well better be ok with her gay pets or relatives. I have not dated many young women now due to my age (58) and the fact that at my age, this is nearly impossible to do. However, in recent years, young women I got involved with heard my opinion on gay men and flipped out. They said, “Look I’m sorry. I don’t date homophobes.” Wow! Can you believe women are like this nowadays. I have to throw a shout out to gay men. They’ve done a great job of pushing their movement. They are hitting straight homophobes right where it hurts – in the pussy that they are so addicted to!
A few girlfriends in recent years have threatened to break up with due to what they call my homophobia. Others have gotten mad at me for using the word faggot. A couple told me that if I didn’t stop using that word, it was over with us. Wow! The new century. If you’re a straight guy and you don’t love queers, you’re not getting laid! No wonder all these Left straight guys are improbably jumping up and down for gay men. They’re probably just trying to get laid. Funny, I never thought of that.
Thomas Hardy of course is the great Victorian novelist, short story writer and lately appreciated poet. Many of his works deal with men and women and their love affairs. If you have never checked him out, I urge you to do so. He is well worth it. He was admired by writers like D. H. Lawrence (who wrote a book about it), the great John Cowper Powys, W.Somerset Maugham, and the great misanthropic poet Philip Larkin. He was a follower of the Naturalist School made famous by Emile Zola.
The Naturalists were a follow-on to the Realists such as Gustave Flaubert (proto-realist) and Anthony Trollope (classic realist). It was supposed to be an improvement upon realism, but I am not sure how. Both of these were reactions against the overly florid, unrealistic and overwrought stories of the time. Zola in particular sought to be almost scientific in his descriptions of the people in his books. Both sought to simply portray characters, humans and scenes as they actually are and let readers draw their own didactic or moralistic conclusions if they so wished.
As far as Hardy himself in love, he was famously married a couple of times. He was described as an unhappy husband. When his second wife died in 1912 after they were estranged for over 20 years, nevertheless, Hardy become a distraught widower and produced some of his finest poetry in Satires of Circumstance published two years later. These are considered to be some of the saddest, most powerful and finest poems about death ever written in English.
And so we have Thomas Hardy:
He was miserable while he was married to her, but he was even more miserable when she was dead. There is a lesson in here somewhere, maybe:
I prefer the latter.
Of course, all seduction is trickery, a scam, a game, con artistry if you will. You can always try to be honest about your seduction like these feminist “consent” freaks, but the problem with seducing honestly is not only that it is an oxymoron but that it doesn’t work, and if you limit yourself that way, you’ll probably die a virgin.
So if you want to get laid, take up trickery (seduction).
Boozing and doping always helps.
Psychological manipulation helps, but I don’t want to be too evil about it. Instead, my psychological manipulation takes more the form of games, trickery, etc. of what I see as as an innocent sort. I don’t get down with sociopathic manipulation.
You can also use verbal persuasion. I have done this many times. You can’t threaten them, but you can use every verbal and psychological trick in the game to sweet talk her into bed. You can argue her into bed too. I’ve done it many times.
Anyway, all of this is just normal. It would be nice if we could just get laid without going through all this Game bullshit, but women don’t really cooperate on that end, so it’s time to wheel out the Seduction Scam.
Anyone who tells you that seduction is honest is lying. Seduction is deceit by its very nature. It’s also a con, a scam, and a game. Seduction is synonymous with trickery. If that sounds horrible, I am sorry, but I am just telling you what seduction is. You are always free to refuse to use it, but the guy next door using seduction (trickery) will be having 10 times more sex than you playing Honest Abe.
Your choice, guys! Wink.
I think it’s fine if 2 consenting adults want to be in a relationship regardless of age, but there is a certain point where it’s just awkward… when it’s a man above 60 trying to date women 18-25, that’s kind of odd. I feel like only a woman with very little future prospects would fall into that type of situation. When I was 18 or 22, I felt like I had a bright future ahead, why would I want to be with an old fogie who already lived most of his life?
If I were uneducated and had no path in life, perhaps I would have tried to go that route in hopes of gaining a future of financial stability out of him… hopefully I would inherit the bank. If he didn’t own a home or have money, no way in hell I would have been seen with him. My point is, the only woman who does that is one who is not confident in her ability to build her own financial stability and wealth. All this stuff goes out the window after 30 or 40. At that point date whatever age person you want, you’ve lived, you’ve worked, you probably know where you are in life.
For men, it makes them feel good about themselves when they are with a younger woman. It makes them feel younger and more desirable. it also gives them a hard-on, which apparently is the main goal of men. Plus, it’s easier to control younger women. Less experience, less hard headed, less confidence, less financial stability, less income. It’s easy to get them trapped, get them in a comfortable place away from their families and become their source of income…
I am 58 years old. In the last few years, I have had relationships with a few young women aged 26-29. All of them had serious older man fetishes. Two of them were hot, and the other was not. One was a model! However, there were some pretty serious problems with these relationships, in particular due to attraction. A couple of them started off the relationship by saying how hot and sexy I was and what a great body I had.
A 55 year old man with a great body wtf? Then after a while they started telling me that they were not attracted to me, often because I reminded them of their fathers. This has never happened to me in my entire life. No woman has ever told me she was attracted to me and then changed her mind I decided I was undesirable. Once a woman thinks you’re sexy, it’s for life. Women don’t decide you are goodlooking and then change their minds about it.
But maybe with middle aged men it is different as for a female to get attracted to us in the first place is not that easy. The truth is that it is almost impossible for a man my age to get a younger woman, especially one in her 20’s. It’s even hard to get a woman in her 30’s. It’s even not that easy to get a woman in her 40’s! I have dated a few women in recent years who were in their 40’s, but they were in their late 40’s.
If you are my age, and you are somehow able to get a much younger woman, even in her 30’s but especially in her 20’s, you are kicking ass. Everybody thinks this is an easy thing to do, but it is not easy at all. 99% of the young women I meet act like they want nothing to do with me sexually. The basic message is that I don’t turn them on. I guess they think I am unattractive or ugly. One can hardly blame them.
Beatrix: This was a wtf for me – A demisexual is a person who does not experience sexual attraction unless they form a strong emotional connection with someone. It’s more commonly seen in but by no means confined to romantic relationships. The term demisexual comes from the orientation being “halfway between” sexual and asexual.
RL: Actually I think demisexual is the natural state of the human female in a way.
Bernardista: Wow! Cool! So you think women who seem to experience sexual attraction to most anyone with a shlong are faking it to be PC? I always thought I was missing out.
My response: No, women can enjoy sex for sex sake, and they are doing it more nowadays.
But my mother always said that men can have sex without love with no problems, but women can’t. They need love to have sex. What she says is not 100% true, but once again the wisdom of ancients beats PC bullshit.
Some women enjoy being a slut more than others. Some women are just horny and want to get laid to satisfy their sex drive. However, women have a long tradition of finding sex without love to be somewhat to completely unsatisfying. They often feel empty afterwards. This seems to be the normal mode of female thinking, but nowadays, women are encouraged to have sex for fun, and a lot of them are doing it so there is some social learning and behavioral modification going on. It’s not that they cannot do it, but it’s harder for women to have sex without love than it is for men.
And speaking from personal experience, even among women who have had quite a bit of sex without love, once they fall madly in love with a man, their sex drive often goes through the roof. Yes, women can be turned on by a sexy guy, but when sex is combined with love is when you really see the female sex drive go crazy. I would say that women need love to turn on the sex drive, but that is not completely true. But love sure revs it up into overdrive more than anything else that I have ever experienced.