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My Latest Theory on the Delphi Murders with a New Unsub Profile, in Q and A Format

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

This will be done in a Q and A format.

Profile is of the Unsub who murdered of Abigail Williams and Liberty German of 2-13-17 and 2-14-17.

Q: Are the Evansdale crimes and the Delphi Murders connected?

A: I do not believe so. Two separate perps, but there are some similarities. Both were done by sociopathic men aged 50-60. Girls were removed to a vehicle in both cases. In both cases, girls were taken to a structure where they were kept for a period of at least 12 hours, raped, tortured and killed. In both cases, girls were returned and dumped to an area near water. In both cases, bodies were covered with leaves. Both killers were divorced men with at least two children. Both men blend in very well in the community, and few if any suspect them. The other similarities have been gone over.

Q: Was the killer from Delphi or the surrounding area? Was he from Indiana?

A: No. No.

Q: Was the killer from another state?

A: Yes.

Q: Did the killer commute to commit the crime and then commute back home?

A: Yes.

Q: If the killer does not reside in the area, how do they know the area of the crime so well?

A: The killer is a former resident who lived in the area for many years and now lives in another state. However, he grew up in and around the town.

Q: Does the killer know Ron Logan, the Mears, their neighbors, and the area of the bridge and creek?

A: He knows the people, properties and neighbors like the back of his hand from growing up in the area.

Q: Does he have a criminal record?

A: Yes, long record of mostly minor crimes with some jail stints.

Q: Has he been to prison?

A: At least once, for unknown period of time, on a relatively minor charge.

Q: In what state did he acquire his criminal record, jail and prison stints?

A: Indiana.

Q: Is he employed?

A: Probably not, may collect some sort of a government check just as Disability.

Q: What was his former occupation?

A: Much of it is unknown, but one position was in industrial agriculture.

Q: What is his opinion of the police?

A: Very low, thinks they have it in for him due to long minor record.

Q: Is he an outdoorsman such as a fisherman, hunter, hiker, naturalist, etc.?

A: Absolutely, loves the outdoors.

Q: Does he engage in the pursuit of land and water game such as fish and game animals?

A: Absolutely, avid outdoorsman.

Q: What is the fanny pack?

A: Outdoorsman’s pack. Either a deer kit with scissors, knives, etc. for cutting up game or a fisherman’s pack with fishing line, knives, etc.

Q: What is the significance of the pack to the crime?

A: Knives, scissors, fishing line, etc. possibly used in the crime. Outdoors knives, either hunting or fishing, were surely used.

Q: What was the purpose of the knives?

A: Sadly, to cut up the girls, which sadly I believe was done.

Q: Can you elaborate?

A: Not sure, but reports of mutilation of the girls probably involved the use of the knives.

Q: What do we hear after the “down the hill” audio?

A: The next thing you hear at some point later is the girls screaming.

Q: Where does that take place?

A: No doubt at the bottom of the hill.

Q: What happened down there?

A: He got them down the bottom of the hill where a vehicle was waiting. At that point, I believe he struck them in the head or face with the gun. A bit of that, and they were stunned enough to where he and a probable accomplice tied and gagged them and then put them in the vehicle.

Q: Where in the vehicle?

A: Probably the trunk.

Q: How many vehicles were used in the crime?

A: Two.

Q: Where were they located?

A: One at the north end, which is what Bridge Guy used to approach the bridge from the north side and a second vehicle at the bottom of the hill on the south side.

Q: With two vehicles, there must have been at least two men, right?

A: I do not see how it could have been done otherwise.

Q: Description of car on north side of bridge used by Bridge Guy to approach bridge from north side?

A: Late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates.

Q: Determined how?

A: Female witness.

Q: Confidence level in car description?

A: Very high at the moment.

Q: Why?

A: Statements of individual(s).

 

Q: Who were the two men?

A: I have an idea of who the man on the bridge is, but I know nothing about any accomplice.

Q: How do we know the handgun was used to strike the girls and knock them half out?

A: The FBI was swabbing the gun barrels of residents who lived in the area.

Q: Why?  

A: Looking for the girls’ DNA on the barrels. Conclusion: Gun was used to hit the girls.

Q: Is the killer left or right-handed?

A: The man on the bridge is absolutely left-handed. That is certain.

Q: How do we know?

A: He has the gun strapped to his chest via a holster on the right side pointing upwards. Such a setup would only be used by a left-handed man.

Q: How do we know he had a handgun?

A: You can see it outlined in the Bridge Guy photo.

Q: How old is Bridge Guy?

A: 50-60 years old.

Q: Does he walk with a limp?

A: I think so.

Q: Why?

A: Looks like an arthritic or injured knee.

Q: Does he have mobility issues?

A: For a man his age, no. He is very active.

Q: How tall is Bridge Guy?

A: 5’8-5’10

Q: How much does he weigh?

A: ~170-180 pounds.

Q: Has he always had a paunch?

A: No, he has been in great shape his whole life. The paunch is a recent middle-aged development.

Q: Is he a pedophile?

A: No.

Q: Is he a hebephile?

A: Doubt it.

Q: What is his Age of Attraction?

A: Probably normal, maximum attraction to mature females age 16+ like any normal man.

Q: What is his sexual orientation?

A: Heterosexual.

Q: Is he masculine, feminine, in between?

A: Typical very masculine man from the area. A bit of a badass, tough guy. Uses foul language and has a rough way of speaking.

Q: Psychiatric diagnosis?

A: Apparently sociopath, in my opinion.

Q: General vibe?

A: Looks normal to others, but I know sociopaths, so he appears rather sneaky, devious, “unreadable”, slick, bad boy, naughty, playful, outlaw, gleam in his eye, and rebellious. Appears to be hiding something or keeping some sort of a secret. General feeling of what you see is not what you get.

Q: Can he seem warm, friendly, etc?

A: Very much so. Chameleon. Very hard to figure out. Actor who sees life as a series of roles.

Q: Life theme?

A: You can’t win, they’ve got it in for me, life is a game, I’m fooling them ha ha, also redemption from previous failed life.

Q: Redemption meaning what?

A: He thinks he has turned his life around from a lifetime of mistakes and is now on the right track finally. However, his desires got the best of him.

Q: Verbal style?

A: Versatile, can seem sentimental, poetic and moving. Fools you into thinking he is a person who cares deeply about life’s small and kind wonders.

Q: Feeling towards his own children?

A: Loves them, strangely enough.

Q: Married or divorced?

A: Was married, hence the kids, now divorced.

Q: Easy or messy divorce?

A: Very messy, and I do mean messy. Same with the Evansdale killer.

Q: Child custody issues?

A: Major issues in this area, same as Evansdale killer.

Q: Altercations with ex-wife?

A: Yes, same as Evansdale killer.

Q: Relations with ex-wife?

A: Hostile, same as Evansdale killer.

Q: Ex-wife fears him?

A: Unknown, maybe.

Q: Any special preoccupation with young teenage girls?

A: Unknown, possible but probably not. Sees teenage girls and grown women as versions of a mature female. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, etc.

Q: Rage towards females?

A: Seems apparent with the crime but is otherwise not obvious in his life.

Q: Motivation?

A: Same as Evansdale killer. Sociopath / sexual sadist / rape-murder / serial type.

Q: Serial killer?

A: Serial type, but unknown if he has other victims.

Q: Were these his first killings?

A: Unknown, no known other killings. Quite possibly first killings, as hard as that is to believe.

Q: Commuted how far to commit crime and return home?

A: 100-200 miles.

Q: Travel time commuting to commit crime and return?

A: 3 hours.

Q: Resides in which state?

A: An unknown state neighboring Indiana.

Q: Gang ties?

A: Possible from prison. Possible Aryan Brotherhood.

Q: Determined how?

A: Can’t say right now. Has to do with his hands.

Q: Tattoos?

A: One large one on front torso.

Q: In his 50’s, how did he negotiate that scary bridge?

A: Grew up in the area. Bridge area is like his backyard. Has probably traversed it many times. Also very fit from active life despite bad knee.

Q: Physical condition?

A: Excellent for age due to active outdoors life.

Q: Capable of fooling people?

A: Very much so. Academy award actor. Life is a series of roles.

Q: Friends suspect him of bad things?

A: No. Has a circle of warm friends, tough, hard outdoors, badass men of about the same age who think he is completely on the up and up. He’s fooling them all. Chameleon.

Q: Sexual peculiarities noticeable to wives or girlfriends?

A: Unknown, may have hidden his sexual sadism.

Q: Why?

A: Sneaky, devious, underhanded, conspiring and plotting fellow. Most actions are well plotted and planned. Little spontaneity other than rages.

Q: Violent temper?

A: Regularly and very much so, generally verbal, sometimes threats.

Q: Displays hostility to women?

A: Sometimes verbally, but typical for tough guy, hard man, roughneck, ex-con working class outdoors redneck type.

Q: Jokes about rape or threats of rape towards women?

A: Sometimes, veiled, but common for his type.

Q: Racist? White Supremacist?

A: No. Brotherhood ties but rarely if ever makes racial remarks. Probably joined Brotherhood for self-protection in prison. Often comes across as anti-racist, even a coastal liberal variety.

Q: Politics?

A: Quite liberal. Sort of an aging hippie type, unusual for Indiana.

Q: Drug user?

A: Marijuana, yes. Enjoys it a lot.

Q: Drinker?

A: Former very serious problem, present status unknown. May be sober now.

Q: Smoker?

A: Yes, smokes cigarettes.

Q: Smoked during crime?

A: I believe so.

Q: How do we know?

A: Cigarette found at scene. Possibly his.

Q: Can comments, remarks and speech be trusted?

A: Absolutely not. Pathological liar. Truth is mixed in with lies and fabrications to the point where he believes his own lies and even gets caught in them.

Q: Reaction if caught in a lie?

A: Temper, rage, ranting, veiled threats via angry language.

Q: Appears normal, even like a nice guy or regular guy?

A: Very much so.

Q: Good friend?

A: Can play the role very well. Charming and disarming. The more you get to know him, the more harmless you think he is.

Q: Takes responsibility for actions?

A: No, blames others for everything. When at fault, blames others. Attacks others and then claims to be acting in self-defense.

Q: Behavior in court?

A: Shameless pathological defensive lying, blaming others.

Q: Other defenses?

A: Excellent at distracting people and directing attention away from what is important. Red herrings, irrelevancies, redirects, minor details, fussing, wrong turns, wrong directions.

Q: Conversational defense?

A: Denial, rage, rants, especially redirection.

Q: Liberty’s phone recovered by police?

A: I do not think so.

Q: Video and audio how?

A: From cloud.

Q: Disposition of phone?

A: Killer found it on Libby, possibly resulting in fatal rage attack and double garroting that nearly decapitated her.

Q: Disposition of phone?

A: Retained by killer, destroyed and disposed of.

Q: Location of phone?

A: Never left Delphi. Disposed in Delphi.

Q: Found by LE?

A: Extremely doubtful.

Q: Recoverable by LE?

A: Quite probably.

Q: Location of phone?

A: Very close to crime scene, but buried deep.

Q: How deep?

A: 10-20 feet plus.

Q: Recovery feasibility?

A: Difficult but quite possible with sufficient resources.

Q: Data available on phone?

A: All data destroyed.

Q: Condition of phone?

A: Destroyed, unusable but possibly intact. It’s buried deep. That is the problem.

Q: Killer’s prints or DNA on phone?

A: No way, not possible.

Q: Recovery of phone would assist case?

A: Possibly dramatically.

Q: How was knowledge of phone story obtained?

A: No comment.

Q: Theory reported to LE?

A: Absolutely.

Q: Girls’ bodies posed in odd manner?

A: Apparently.

Q: Why?

A: Posing had occult or Satanic overtones.

Q: Was this an occult or Satanic crime?

A: Unknown, but if it was not, it may have been made to look like one. Killer specializes in wrong way streets, red herrings, misdirection and redirection.

Q: Satanic or occult theory status?

A: Weak.

Q: Why?

A: Killer has no known occult or Satanic interests. He may have such, but it is not obvious, and if he does, he hides it well, as he does with so many things.

Q: Killer IQ?

A: Average.

Q: Street smarts, etc.?

A: Killer is smart like a fox. In terms of sheer animal, devious and utterly cunning smarts, he is brilliant, has a genius IQ in this type of intelligence.

Q: Education level?

A: Low.

Q: Killer is storyteller, raconteur?

A: Very much so.

Q: Entertaining in this role?

A: Turns off some, but extremely entertaining to others.

Q: Philosophical outlook?

A: Cynical, humans are lousy animals driven by low, base interests, corrupt at their core.

Q: Killer’s attitude towards this?

A: Acts offended. Plays role of offended good citizen outraged by sleazy corruption.

Q: LE communicated with killer during course of investigation so far?

A: Absolutely and documented.

Q: LE suspicious of killer as a result of conversations between LE and killer?

A:  Very dubious, he fooled them too. He fools so many people. He is an expert at fooling people.

Q: LE has DNA from crime?

A: Unknown, maybe.

Q: Status of DNA, if so?

A: No match in databases.

Q: Killer’s DNA is in databases?

A: Doubt it. Otherwise there would be a match.

Q: Kill method of both girls?

A: Garroting, probably double garroting.

Q: Garroting material used?

A: I have a good guess, but I will not say. Not a typical garroting item but would work very well.

Q: Baling wire from Mears barn used to garrot?

A: I do not think so, though it was available.

Q: Why garroting?

A: Kill method apparently intended from the start. Carried garroting supplies.

Q: Intended to only rape, hurt, frighten girls and leave?

A: No.

Q: Killed because scene got out of hand and panicked?

A: No, murder intended from the start.

Q: Why did girls’ throats seem cut?

A: Garroting strangles you and cuts your throat.

Q: Difference between garroting and knife cut of neck?

A: Knife cuts from the front and can decapitate. Garroting cuts all the way around but seldom decapitates because garroting material is not as sharp as a knife to cut through back of neck.

Q: Condition of girls’ fingernails?

A: Blood and dirt under Liberty’s nails. Dirt under Abbie’s nails. Abbie’s nails badly torn up.

Q: Certainty of garroting used?

A: Extremely high, confirmed by several sources close to family.

Q: Unwanted pregnancy, botched abortion theory of motive?

A: This was a great theory, the only one so far that even made since with good evidence to back it up via autopsy findings and method of attack, but the theory seems dead. This was not the motive for the killings.

Q: Abbie found with stake in her?

A: Appears so, very strong likelihood.

Q: Why?

A: Killer apparently discovered she was pregnant, girl was staked to kill the fetus. Best theory.

Q: How did he find or theorize she was pregnant?

A: Unknown.

Q: Abbie found pregnant on autopsy?

A: Strong rumor but highly disputed and white-hot controversial.

Q: Abbie proven to be pregnant?

A: Not at all, but likely was.

Q: Why likely?

A: Abbie family member strongly implied she was pregnant and the killing involved an attempt to kill a fetus.

Q: Bridge Guy seen in Abbie photo on bridge?

A: Yes hiding behind a tree.

Q: Photo exists?

A: Yes, will be posted, man outlined with software.

Q: Confidence that this is the Bridge Guy?

A: Very high, color of clothing on man behind tree is perfect match for color of clothing of man on bridge.

Q: Condition of girls’ bodies?

A: Abbie nude, Liberty topless.

Q: Girls clothes where?

A: In the creek to destroy DNA.

Q: Girls suffered?

A: Very much so, Abbie most of all. Liberty’s nightmare may have been mercifully shortened.

Q: Abbie alive when dumped?

A: Absolutely.

Q: Time of death?

A: 9 AM 2-14, 30 minutes before search started. So sad.

Q: Certainty of time of death?

A: High.

Q: Abbie lingered after dumped?

A: Yes, 1.5-6.5 hours

Q: Why?

A: Who knows? She did not lose much blood for some reason.

Q: Abbie cause of death?

A: Exposure.

Q: Crime scene contaminated?

A: Dubious.

Q: Searcher touched bodies on discovery?

A: Highly dubious.

Q: Who found bodies?

A: Man and wife and another man.

Q: How known?

A: Documented from screenshot conversations with searchers who found the body.

Q: Screenshot available?

A: Yes, to be posted.

Q: Liberty’s family involved in crime?

A: I say no.

Q: S and H families involved in crime?

A: I say no.

Q: Ron Logan involved?

A: This is one of the stupidest episodes of this entire affair. Not as tragic as the girls, but nevertheless a tragedy. Punishments should fit crimes. Logan is a drunk and probation violator. He’s not killer. The whole idea is insane.

Q: Sexual activity by the girls involved?

A: Both girls may well have been sexually active. One certainly was. But this had nothing to do with a motive for the crime as was thought earlier. It may have been the impetus for an attack on Abbie though.

Q: If attempt to kill fetus theory correct, what motive?

A: Previous motive is trashed because suspects are all cleared. Motive then would be simple cruelty. Killer somehow found she was pregnant and tried to kill fetus as part of general sexually sadistic crime.

Q: Killer’s attitude towards investigation?

A: Nervous, fearful of being caught but also sees the whole thing as a laughable game of cat and mouse. He’s getting a real kick out of it. This is just good times to him. He’s fooling them and hiding right under their noses, ha ha.

Q: LE stated killer may have given false tips. Accurate?

A: Could well be.

Q: Killer involved in the investigation?

A: Quite possibly.

Q: Why?

A: Can’t help himself. Loves the limelight, publicity hound, likes the idea that he is hiding right under their noses and getting away with it, this is hilarious.

Q: Significance of 13th for day of attack, day of bad luck of occult significance?

A: Unknown if any. May be random.

Q: Significance of Valentines Day for body dump day?

A: Unknown, may be random.

Q: Significance of dates adding up to 32, an occult number?

A: Unknown, may be random.

Q: Significance of Evansdale and Delphi dates being exact mirror images of each other?

A: Fascinating, but may be random.

Q: Possible occult significance of killing Abbie Williams, namesake of Salem Witch trials accuser?

A: Unknown, may be random or coincidental.

Q: Time of body dump?

A: 2:30 AM – 7:30 AM

Q: How girls taken to site?

A: Left Mears barn in vehicle, drove 25 yards to cemetery , then to southwest gate of cemetery, through unlocked gate of Ron Logan’s horse pasture, 10 feet to start of trail.

Q: Girls where in car?

A: No doubt in trunk.

Q: How girls taken to dump site?

A: Via trail. Dragged down a trail.

Q: How determined?

A: Searchers followed drag trail to bodies.

Q: One man dragged two girls?

A: Very dubious, especially with Libby at 200 pounds. Excellent reason for two killer theory.

Q: Killers’ actions after body dump?

A: Rapid departure from area in darkness and then 100-200 miles to home.

Q: Where were the girls taken after they were abducted?

A: To the Mears barn.

Q: At what time?

A: Probably 3 PM or so.

Q: Were Ron Logan and the Mears home?

A: Both were gone.

Q: Did the killer know this?

A: It seems like he must have.

Q: How did he know this?

A: No idea, but I believe that the killer was extremely familiar with the area, Logan, the Mears and their neighbors, having known and lived around them for a long time when he was younger. He was nearly in his own backyard.

Q: Did the killer know the weather in the area?

A: Yes.

Q: For how long?

A: For at least one week prior, had been following Delphi weather.

Q: What happened when the car drove onto the Mears property by the barn?

A: It drove right into the barn.

Q: Can the barn fit a car?

A: Yes, and more than one, with much room to spare. The barn is massive, like a cavern.

Q: Couldn’t people see the car in the barn?

A: Although the barn is only a short ways off the road, from the road, you can barely see one foot inside the barn even in broad daylight. It is like a black hole.

Q: Couldn’t people see in the barn at night?

A: Not at all.

Q: Even if the killers had an artificial light source?

A: They still could not see in. First the entrance was blocked by the vehicle, and anyway, with a low light, the barn is such a black hole that a small light source would probably not be detected from the road. You would see only pure black darkness at the entrance to the barn-cavern.

Q: How long were the girls kept in the barn?

A: Probably from 3 PM 2-13 to 3 AM 2-14, 12 long hours.

Q: Were they alive the whole time?

A: Abbie was, sadly, but Libby was killed earlier on on 2-13.

Q: Why was Libby killed earlier?

A: I think she gave him a great big fight, and she was a handful.

Q: So what happened?

A: He flew into a rage at her resistance, grabbed his garroting material, and double garroted her.

Q: Abbie saw this?

A: As horrible as it sounds, yes. This is as bad as it gets.

Q: Why didn’t the girls make some noise?

A: Probably gagged.

Q: Is it true that Libby had 4-5 chances to escape?

A: Apparently, police say so.

Q: They know this how?

A: God knows.

Q: Why didn’t she flee?

A: The saddest part of all. She was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster. She was going to stay with Abbie all the way through this mess. She could not leave and abandon her friend to this horror. In real life, they were inseparable.

Q: What happened in the barn?

A: Who knows? Girls were kept in there, tormented, tortured, probably cut with knives, Libby was garroted, Abbie garroted right before departure, and both girls were sexually mutilated.

Q: Sexually mutilated how?

A: God knows. But Abbie may have had a stick up her up vagina, as awful as it sounds.

Q: The killer speared Abbie in the  stomach with a sharp stick?

A: Yes, like I said, as bad as it gets.

Q: How certain are you of this?

A: Very much so.

Q: How did he spear her, horizontally or vertically?

A: He drove the stake into her stomach or abdomen. If she was pregnant, this looks like an attempt to kill the fetus. If vertically, he straddled her and stood over her and shoved it in her from above, which would be hard to do. Or horizontally, he put the stick up her vagina and into her stomach that way, as awful as it sounds.

Q: Which would cause a quicker fatality?

A: Surely vertical.

Q: What evidence do we have for horizontal or vertical?

A: Only one rumor from one source, very recently. She said horizontally.

Q: How would the two methods of spearing differ?

A: Vertically would probably be a very quick death and would actually be more merciful, but it would be hard to drive the stake in. Horizontally, poor Abbie could have lingered for some time. She would have suffered much more with a horizontal attack. It would have been horrendous.

Q: Abbie survived the killer’s attacks?

A: Unbelievably, yes. She survived the double garroting, which was poorly done, whatever else was done and even the staking.

Q: When did he stake her?

A: I am thinking after he dumped them.

Q: Why?

A: God knows. Perhaps he discovered that Abbie was still alive, went nuts and staked her to finish her off.

Q: How were girls placed?

A: They were  posed in odd positions in what one person said looked like a Satanic or occult ritual. Also they were covered with leaves, but Abbie escaped from under leaves and unbelievably even managed to crawl away some distance.

Q: What was Abbie’s cause of death?

A: Exposure.

Q: How long did Abbie survive in the forest?

A: From 1.5 to 6.5 hours, incredibly enough.

Q: Why did she survive?

A: Amazingly, she did not lose much blood.

Q: What is the killer’s attitude to getting photographed and recorded?

A: A lot of panic, but also he thinks it is a game and a big joke.

Q: How is he dealing with his photo and audio being out there?

A: Has a plan, but I can’t talk about it right now.

Q: Does the killer seem like a suspicious person?

A: Absolutely not. Total chameleon.

Q: Will he be caught?

A: I believe so.

Q: When?

A: Perhaps sooner than you think.

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Is It True That Sexually Sadistic Serial Killers Rarely Have Partners?

Paula: TWO killers is odd….two sadistic people who commit crimes together is very very unusual….I’m leaning towards one person with a grudge and one person tagging along, IF there were indeed two people….

This is a very common belief and you hear this all the time. Particularly women seem to believe that these fellows usually act alone. I suppose women in particular find it impossible to understand how two men could find each other and plot a series of the worst crimes of all. Men find it hard too. I mean I have had some bad friends who stole, shot drugs, you name it. They had done a few stints in jail. I’ve had some really bizarre conversations with my friends. You name it, we discussed it. But never in my life have I had a friend say, “Hey Bob, let’s go out rape, torture and murder some women. What do you say?” I cannot fathom a conversation like that between two men. Where on Earth do they find each other?

But actually these men acting with partner(s) is quite common. Sexual sadists often have partners in crime. Usually another man or even men, but sometimes a woman – a wife or girlfriend. The woman comes under the influence of the man, and that is why she helps him to commit these crimes. She usually is not bad per se. In other words, if she had not hooked up with that bad boyfriend or husband, she would probably never have done such a thing.

I believe Freeway Killer William Bonin had maybe six accomplices. Dean Corll had many accomplices too. One of the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders is thought to involve three men. The Smiley Face Murders, bizarre drownings of up to 90 young college men in the middle of the US, if these are even real crimes at all, are thought to involve a number of people, maybe up to 3-4 men, operating out of a van.

The Hillside Stranglers, the Sunset Strip Murders, Bittaker and Norris, it goes on and on. It is suspected that Randy Kraft‘s roommate, a deep S/M freak, helped him to commit some of the murders.

The latter four are right here in southern California, and they were all operating in a short period of time in the late 1970’s.

The Operation Miranda killers, Charles Ng and Leonard Lake, Otis Toole and Henry Lee Lucas, the list goes on and on.

Ken and Barbie Killers Paul Bernardi and Karla Homulka and Sunset Strip Killers Doug Clark and Carol Bundy are two cases where the female partners of the men participated in the crimes. In both cases, the women willingly went along with the crimes and even helped participate in them. After a while, they came to enjoy committing these crimes and even got into the sexual aspect of them. Homulka and Bundy are both pretty sociopathic, but if those women never met those men, they never would have done anything like this.

In addition to the above, I can think of three other cases where men had partners, in two cases, two men as a team in one case and a man and a woman who came under his influence in the other. Problem is I cannot remember the names of the killings nor the participants.

And I think there are more cases than I have gone over above.

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Serial Killers – Psychotic or Psychopathic?

Gary Palin: I see your points Robert, and your way more knowledgeable about these types of psychotic sociopaths than I am. When I saw the picture of Libby in the hat and how young and innocent she looked, this crime really struck a chord with me. When I was younger growing up in the 70’s this was relatively “uncommon,” but there were some (Charles Manson, etc) Also there were very few homosexuals, at least out in the open, and there were no transgender people ( not that I have disdain for them). This goes for where I grew up, but maybe in liberal California it was different for you.

I just wonder if this escalating type of violent crimes against women has anything to do with “feminism” and men feeling slighted and emasculated, and this is their way of rebelling against women. I think there may be a lot of truth to this.

I would bet in the 1950’s where divorce was uncommon, and families were mostly all the patriarchal type, when men were the head of the household, I think people and families were a lot happier than in today’s world, even though they didn’t have as much material wealth. Maybe you should do a blog on that subject, as you’re truly a student of human nature.

As far as being a student of human nature, I work in mental health. I have dealt with very few psychotic or psychopathic people, but I often have to rule out psychopathy or psychosis. In the group I am dealing with, I almost always rule it out. But to rule it out, you have to understand it.

Actually there were quite a few serials running around in the 1970’s. I like to think of the 1970’s as the Decade of the Serial Killer. There were an amazing number of them running around right here in California. We regularly had them running loose here in the LA area. Randy Kraft, the Hillside Strangler, the Toolbox Killers, the Sunset Strip Killers, Rodney Alcala, William Bonin, on and on. In California proper there was the Zodiac, the Hitchhiker Killer, and the Keddie Murders. Ted Bundy was running around the West.

My Mom thinks she saw Bonin and crew pick up a young male hitchhiker on a freeway entrance in Garden Grove. She thought that may have been the last ride that boy ever took.

A good friend of mine had an encounter with Randy Kraft and drank some beer and smoked some pot with him. The beer was one of Kraft’s specialty Valium-laced beers, but my friend caught on that something was wrong. Kraft tried to stop him from leaving the car, but my friend screamed at Kraft like a maniac, and Kraft was taken aback and let him go.

Back then we did not have DNA and advanced forensics, so most of these guys killed a number of times (4-10) before they were caught. It was so much easier to be a serial back then due to the more primitive forensics. Serials often targeted regular females or males, but now a lot of serials are targeting druggy street prostitutes, truck stop whores, and other marginal women whose disappearance is not even known because they are so far outside of society. It is quite hard to catch these killers because they are targeting such marginal women who hardly anyone even knows. When the serial starts targeting ordinary members of society, it’s a bit easier to catch them.

I do not think the rate of rapes or rape-murders of women has gone up since the 1970’s. I have heard that child killings have been at a flat rate of ~150/year since the 1970’s. If anything, I would assume the rate of rapes and rape-murders has gone down since the 1970’s. Sure, there has been a much-needed backlash against the sexist hate movement called Feminism, but it doesn’t seem like men’s rage over it is causing us to rape and kill women at any higher rate than we ever had. Instead a lot of men seem to be dropping out of dating and dealing with women altogether for fear of a sexual harassment, sexual assault or fake rape charge. See the Men Going Their Own Way Movement for more on this phenomenon.

The concepts of psychosis and psychopathy are often confused in the public mind. How many times have you heard about “psychotic killers?” Thing is, when someone says that, they are almost never referring to killers who are actually psychotic. Instead they are referring to psychopathic killers and confusing them with people who are psychotic. Most people do not understand the difference between these psychological states, and this is the reason for the mix-up. Also most people assume that any maniac running around like Jack the Ripper slaughtering other humans for no good reason has to be insane or psychotic. They say this because to them such an act seems to be so outside of normal behavior that only a crazy person would do such a thing.

Psychosis and psychopathy are too different things. I suppose there are some cases where the two conditions overlap. Some paranoid schizophrenics seem to have also been psychopaths, but this is not common.

These sociopaths are not psychotic. This is an important thing to note. Only 2% of serials are psychotic. It is fairly easy to catch a psychotic serial because they are completely insane. It’s hard for crazy people to organize a trip to the bathroom, much less a serial killing spree.

Sociopaths and psychopaths are not the tiniest bit crazy. If they were even 1% nuts, they would be easier to catch. They are almost too sane in that they don’t have to worry about emotions slipping them up. These humans are like machines. If they are serials, then they are killing machines.

I would agree though that outside of the former definition of craziness which tends to emphasize impairment, sociopaths/psychopaths are indeed crazy. They’re morally crazy. And in some ways, these are craziest humans of all because they simply lack a conscience.

Instead of being crazy, sociopaths and psychopaths are better seen as sick. Or even evil. We need to take our analysis of these folks outside of the sanity/insanity paradigm and over into the moral universe of good/evil. These people aren’t crazy. They’re just evil, that’s all. This is the only way to properly understand such people.

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Delphi Murders Update March 16: One Sleuth’s Theorizing on the Delphi Murders

Note to commenters: Please stop referring to Unsub as a pedophile. He may well be one, but that’s something that can be determined from this crime as it was not a pedophilic offense. Instead, this was a hebephilic offense. And the perpetrator could certainly be seen as a hebephile, although he’s not necessarily one. If you want to refer to the nature of the offense, use the word hebephilic instead of pedophilic. If you wish to refer to Unsub’s paraphilia, please refer to him as a hebephile and not a pedophile.

Thank you so much for this. I am getting tired of words being misused. And now we are being scientific on the board.

Note 2 to commenters: I am really getting sick and tired of saying this, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. The only thing that is represented as fact as statements sourced from LE or the media.

And incidentally, the way I wrote up the case is precisely how detectives work a case. Detectives do not work cases using the scientific method. If they did, they would hardly solve one case. It’s more “We believe this for now…this is true for now…at the moment, this is what we think happened…we believe…” They are throwing out endless theories about what really happened and accepting them as (temporary) facts. They are then continuously revising and throwing out theories and creating new ones.

Being  a detective is about being wrong. Not just once, but being wrong over and over so many times your head will want to come off. If you can’t handle being wrong, then detective work is surely not for you. Finally detectives arrive at enough information to file a case against someone, but a lot of that is not factual either. They believe he did the crime. They believe that this, that, or the other happened with no way to really prove it – it’s just what they conjecture.

If he is convicted, then the theory that he did the crime is validated as fact, but I am not sure what other evidence is. And even court decisions are not scientific fact because they get overturned all the time. There are not a whole lot of 100% certain, clear scientific facts in LE work, detective work on the judicial system itself. A good portion of the decisions made turn out to be theories, temporary but unstable facts, beliefs, hunches and guesswork, all represented as fact in the court.

If you have issues with theories, opinions and what not, just quit reading and get the Hell off my site right now and never come back. I am really getting sick and tired of this BS.

If you have not heard of the Delphi murders, Google them. They are indeed as the commenter suggests the biggest homicides in the nation right now. And this case has grabbed me too just like this commenter. I actually don’t get interested in every homicide that comes around and I’ve been out of the crime and sleuthing loop for a while now. But there was something about this case – God knows what it is, that just grabbed me right there and affected me the way many similar cases have not.

I get comments like this and also emails and even phone calls along these lines quite often nowadays. This guy has had the best take so far. Not endorsing anything he says below except where he and I obviously agree, but I think you might find this enlightening reading.

Very interesting work you’ve done on this case Robert to try and get the truth of what really happened to the girls. It’s very hard to do, as rumors start to make things inconsistent, but I’ve always found that if enough credible people are talking – there will be no doubt a lot of truth to them.

I think firstly we have to assume this crime was “sexual” in nature, so the killer was both a pedophile and a killer. He likely also was a “sadist” and got a sexual thrill out of physically harming someone – that turns him on.

This killer is a sociopath or psychopath – really both one in the same. A sociopath doesn’t really feel any emotions – does not feel sadness or happiness, as he stays the same all the time. I’m sure in your practice you must deal with these type of people and may agree with me. I’ll give you my take on this killer(s). As you say there may be 2, or maybe only 1.

One thing I found very interesting and I read this today on a Sleuth forum, is that Abby only lived 1/8 of a mile from the bridge. That’s only about 6-7 city blocks – “that’s very close.” I’m sure some man could have seen her around and was watching her habits. Also Abby and her mom only moved to this area from Michigan about 1.5 years ago.

Also Abby liked to camp and I have a picture of her fishing, and it could be from the creek or river, as the bridge is in the background. If indeed she does live that close, I’m sure men like Ron Logan – “property owner” may have seen her around. I think her living so close by is “very significant”- my source – “Websleuths,” and this poster also posted the picture of Abby fishing. Apparently she and Libby frequented this area quite often??? I don’t know.

1) from looking at this “suspect’s” picture – walking on the bridge, I’d put his age at about 38 to 42 years old. You have him at 60, but his face actually looks a lot younger. You can tell by skin texture, and I’m good at sizing up age. I will add, the photo is a little blurry though – so hard to get a real good look at his face. I’ll refer to suspect as BG – “bridge guy.” I think BG’s height is around 5′ 9 to 5′ 10 inches tall, with a heavy-set build, his weight is around 190 to 210 lbs., and he looks very strong.

One thing I noted – he walks with a “duck walk” – if you notice his “right foot” plant in one of the pictures, his toes are pointed outside on about a 45 degree angle. Most people walk with their toes pointed straight ahead. I would say only about 4% of the population walks like that. With the picture being so blurry of his face, they should look at “body language” and study his gait and how he walks. I’m sure he has a “duck walk.”

Suspect’s (BG) Education- I’d say he’s likely has a Grade 11 or 12 education and maybe also a tradesman (electrician, plumber, etc.) I also think it’s quite likely he’s a truck driver or a delivery man, makes trips to the Delphi area quite often and knows people there cause of work.

I also think he’s not that smart!!! To leave something like a cell phone on the body of the person you just killed is pretty stupid. A smart person would know that young girls love their phones and love taking pictures. It’s also possible that Libby chucked it in the bush to not let him find it??? Be interesting to know where the phone was found???

There is a good chance this Killer is from out of state, as it would be far to risky in a small town to do something like this where everyone knows you.

Other things about BG – he looks like he’s disguising himself, walking with a mission, and has a deadly look in his eyes. This tells me he’s come prepared and knew the girls would be there. I think someone in the area told him this, or he obtained this thru social media and planned a meeting with the girls (I think social media – “good bet”).

General Personality – looks very meticulous – plans everything ahead of time, as this wasn’t done at the spur of the moment. His jeans look washed and pressed, and his dress looks “all in order.” If he’s a trades guy, I would bet all his tools are “clean” and organized. I don’t think he’s ever been married but may at one time and quite likely still does live with a parent, like a mother who washes his clothes etc. – “very possible.”

Pedophiles are not interested in adult women at all – they “like girls” – not women and get quite excited when around young kids. I know 2 pedos thru my work and got to know them and found out a little about their backgrounds. Both of these guys came from an “unstable or weird” family upbringing, and both didn’t like one of the parents at all. I did not know they were pedos when I met them.

This guy is definitely not a homeless guy – “forget it” – he works and is probably quite a good reliable worker. He could be liked or at least get along with his fellow workers. He looks and dresses like a truck driver, and most of these guys that sit behind a wheel all day “have quite a gut” – so I would say he’s about 30 lbs overweight – around 190 to 200 lbs and strong.

He’d have to be very strong if Robert is right about moving the girls across the creek – right??? Robert thinks the suspect is 60 yrs old??? How many 60 year old’s could lift and carry a 170 to 180 lb Libby thru water and over rough terrain? Most guys I know that age are looking to get hip or knee replacements, and some I know walk with a cane.

If there were 2 guys, I could see them moving Libby – just 1 – 60 years old??? I have my doubts. I do think there are some 50-60 year old men who keep in great shape who would have the kind of strength required to move the girls (very few, and ones that I know work out with weights and are very strong).

Moving Abbie – “not that hard” as she would weigh from 100 to 120 lbs judging by her photo. So, was there one killer or 2??? Judging from police reports and what Robert has said, there may have been 2 men (one was spotted – “all in black”) by trail hikers and probably worked in unison with BG (bridge suspect).

If there was only (1) killer, he definitely “was not very bright.” Can you imagine a guy wading thru a creek carrying a lifeless limp body over his shoulder?? You’d have to be crazy to put yourself at that kind of risk of someone seeing you. Also to do this crime in the middle of the day on a popular hiking trail makes me wonder how bright these guy(s) are – “not to bright” – IMO

Suspects – and things that bother me:

1) Jimmy Duvall – according to a person on Reddit that seems very genuine, he has not missed (1) day at work in 3 years at the Chrysler Auto plant where he works. Apparently he phoned in sick and was away from February 12 to Feb 15-th, and this poster says he’s not come back yet. He was taken right from work to give a DNA sample and then took off.

Robert says he’s at home??? But is he really??? How does anyone know for sure unless you work with law enforcement (you don’t). Just like Robert said awhile ago – one girl was found nude and the other clothed – so he is getting “false information” as well. This Duvall could be at home and could be innocent though.

Hopefully FBI have DNA – and they tested him, but it would take 2-3 weeks to get those results back. I’d say he’s still in the mix. This guy is a pedophile and a violent one as his past “convictions” prove.

2) Ron Logan – although he’s 75 yrs old and was the property owner where the girls were found – there is something very troubling about him in my mind. I don’t think he directly killed the girls. Could he have given information to someone who frequents his property. Remember Abby only lives 1/8 mile away (6 blocks) and may have played on Logan’s property.

I read the state order – he was arrested for violating probation and with “no bail option” – I find this very odd and perplexing??? You would think FBI, police, etc. would not all of a sudden call Ron Logan on this at the time of one of the nation’s biggest murders. This would scar him for life.

Why didn’t they arrest him a long time ago when he violated probation, or why not wait till the dust settles down in this case? He wasn’t going to go anywhere. I believe they will keep him detained, and I believe he may know something very important, so that’s why they’re keeping him in jail with “no bail” rights.

If he has been released (which I doubt), then I guess police are satisfied he’s totally innocent – “and he could be.”

Other Possible – Justin Wildey – 40 yrs. old – he’s wanted right now for child molestation – saw his poster. He’s from Indiana – weighs 220 lbs and is 6’3, so he’s mighty big and strong and would be capable of carrying the girls, and he’s also a pedophile. He works as a mover and may have been with the company that moved Abby’s family from Michigan to Delphi, Indiana. Some sleuther posters say this is very possible.

In Summary – I’m sure the FBI and police have a lot more suspects than what I have listed, and I believe their expertise is second to none, and they are going to give themselves the greatest opportunity to catch this monster or 2 killers that are on the loose.

Forensics has come a long long way in the last 30 years or so, and even a little fabric, or hair, shoe print, anything, can be identified, and I’m sure they are going all-out and exhausting every possible lead they get. It’s my hope that these cruel, cowardly monsters that pick on little girls are caught before they take another life.

I thank Robert for his insight into this case and also for his great site.

For some reason this case “really grabbed me,” and I want the guy(s)caught soon as possible, and who knows – they may be tracking him down right now. Not many cases where they have voice and a picture.

It’s only a matter of time on this case!!!

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Updated March 14: Sexually-Motivated Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abigail Williams

Note to commenters 3-22-17: I notice a huge number of you are coming in from Facebook. If you came from Facebook, could you please link me the page you came from so I can go over there and look at the postings. Thank for your cooperation!

Note to commenters 3-21-17: I will not allow the words pedophile, pedophilic or pedophilia to be used in connection with this crime because there is no pedophilia involved in this crime, and there is no evidence that the offender is a pedophile. These girls are too old for that. You may use it if you think Unsub committed other crimes with younger girls somewhere else.

The perpetrator could certainly be seen as a hebephile, although he’s not necessarily one. If you want to refer to the nature of the offense, use the word hebephilic instead of pedophilic. If you wish to refer to Unsub’s paraphilia, please refer to him as a hebephile and not a pedophile.

Note 2 to commenters: I am really getting sick and tired of saying this, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. The only thing that is represented as fact as statements sourced from LE or the media.

And incidentally, the way I wrote up the case is precisely how detectives work a case. Detectives do not work cases using the scientific method. If they did, they would hardly solve one case. It’s more “We believe this for now…this is true for now…at the moment, this is what we think happened…we believe…” They are throwing out endless theories about what really happened and accepting them as (temporary) facts. They are then continuously revising and throwing out theories and creating new ones.

Being  a detective is about being wrong. Not just once, but being wrong over and over so many times your head will want to come off. If you can’t handle being wrong, then detective work is surely not for you. Finally detectives arrive at enough information to file a case against someone, but a lot of that is not factual either. They believe he did the crime. They believe that this, that, or the other happened with no way to really prove it – it’s just what they conjecture.

If he is convicted, then the theory that he did the crime is validated as fact, but I am not sure what other evidence is. And even court decisions are not scientific fact because they get overturned all the time. There are not a whole lot of 100% certain, clear scientific facts in LE work, detective work on the judicial system itself. A good portion of the decisions made turn out to be theories, temporary but unstable facts, beliefs, hunches and guesswork, all represented as fact in the court.

If you have issues with theories, opinions and what not, just quit reading and get the Hell off my site right now and never come back. I am really getting sick and tired of this BS.

New update March 23: Updated March 23: Sexually-Motivated Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abigail Williams

Huge update with major changes in my analysis of the case.

Sexually-motivated double homicide of two teenage girls, one 13 and the other 14. For some background on this heartbreaking case, see here.

This is an update of the case as of March 14, 2017. There’s not a lot of new information here, but there is a new photo. Also I listed sources for each bit of information because I am getting tired of idiot haters complaining about this stuff.

How Do I Know All This Stuff?

First: How do I know all this stuff?

Question: “Robert, How Do You Know So Much about Serial Killers, Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Sexual Sadists?”

I have done a lot of research on this case including released information, rumors and borderline areas such as cryptic statements by LE. I have also spoken to people close to the case, including those close to the search party and law enforcement investigation of this case. I also spoke to other sleuthers and people interested in the case. Some were associated with missing persons groups. This is the source of some of my material. Other information is derived from my own theorizing about the case. This includes offender profiling.

So there’s the source of all of the information.

My Musings on This Case

Rumors state that Libby was killed on 2-13, possibly pretty quickly, and Abby died or 2-14. Although this is still somewhat up in the air, I believe this is correct. The published obits state those dates. This has been confirmed to me by sources close to law enforcement. There is a rumor that the families chose those dates as death dates, but that would apply only to funerals, not obits. Obit info would come straight from coroner’s report. Therefore, the coroner’s report had to state different death dates. See below for more evidence that the girls died on different days. Sources: People close to LE, obituaries, and funeral notices.

This was not a crime of opportunity. He planned this very well. He plans his crimes with the utmost meticulousness. That is why he is armed with the gun and disguising himself. Source: My speculation based on the nature of the offense and the obvious skill involved.

As of yet, there is no good evidence to suggest that the girls may have been catfished from social media. Original rumor relied upon an odd statement by LE very early ion the case, “Parents need to be very careful of what their kids are doing on social media.” Adding to that were suggestive remarks from Libby’s friends about odd activities on her Instagram page. Bottom line is there is just no good evidence for this at the moment. Sources: Cryptic comments from LE, suggestive remarks from Libby’s friends about odd activity on her Instagram account.

Unsub is 5’10, 180 pounds with a bit of a middle aged man’s stomach paunch. Source: Expert on CNN, paunch obvious in photo.

Unsub’s age is ~60. At the very least, that style of pants is outdated and nowadays is only worn by men over 40 in that area. Presence of fanny pack also indicates an older man. They were popular in the late 1980’s, but I am told that hardly anyone wears them anymore except for some older guys like me. And Unsub. Well, we two have something in common anyway. Curiously, my age is almost exactly the same as his. Sources: LE stated that he had a fanny pack. My estimate on age. Info on fanny packs and jeans style by people looking at the photos.

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Excellent new drawing of Unsub from an LE artist.

LE believes that Unsub came from out of state to do this crime. This is my theory also based on my POI. I believe that Unsub drove 350 miles over 5 1/2 hours to do this crime. I believe this is in part why he has not been caught yet. He doesn’t even live in the same state! Source: Recent remark by Indiana State Police quoted in media, my theory based on my favorite POI.

Clearly Unsub has a pistol, a .45 or 911. The pistol was holstered to his right side, which means he is left-handed. The outline of the pistol can clearly be seen in the photo released of the man. A photo exists showing the pistol outlined with graphic software. Assuming that is a pistol, and it is, then Unsub is left-handed. Source: Gun is obviously visible in photograph. Left-handedness concluded from the holstered gun pointing backwards on the right side.

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Photo clearly shows a semiautomatic .911 or 45 mm handgun holstered on his right, which means he is lefthanded. That’s either a gun, or I’m a monkey’s uncle. I can’t believe so many people are saying that is not a gun. It’s as clear as air.

Unsub may be trying to disguise himself in the photos by using a hat and a scarf. Source: LE statement.

Unsub is wearing a hat, a jacket with a hoodie and blue jeans in the photo. In my opinion, the hat is a camouflage hunting cap with padded ear muffs. Unsub is overdressed for the weather. He seems to have layers of clothing on. He has almost his entire body covered with clothing.

Part of this is no doubt to disguise himself, but another reason is so he will have few exposed areas of his body where the girls could leave scratch marks if the girls fight back hard, although they still could scratch up his face pretty well. Source: LE statements about clothing. Statement about type of cap is my conjecture from the photo. Reason for being heavily dressed is common sense for an offender preparing to commit rape and murder.

Fanny pack probably where he kept his murder kit. Sources: LE statement quoted in the media. Murder kit is my conjecture. What else is in there? A first aid kit? Come on.

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GIF image of Unsub photos run together.

There has been much talk about whether or not there were two murderers or one. It is not yet proven that there were two killers, and LE is leaning towards the theory that there was one killer. However, even LE themselves described the perpetrators of this crime as “the murderers.” And from the very start, they referred to Unsub as a participant instead of a suspect. Participant is almost never used unless LE thinks there is more than one killer.

Police are now walking this back by saying that it’s standard procedure to assume maybe more than one killer, but they’re lying. It isn’t. There was some specific reason why they thought there were two killers in this case, and we do not know what that reason was. At any rate, they seem to be walking the two killers theory back too, and they are leaning towards one killer. Source: Very strange LE statements.

There are different stories about when the girls died. Libby seems to have died very quickly on the afternoon of 2-13. Abbie may have died at this time too as per a family statement. This is a weak rumor. Yet from the very start there were rumors about Abbie lingering on. The first said that Abbie was still alive when found and died on the way to the hospital. Another said that she was still alive when found and died on the scene. These two are also weak rumors.

A third and stronger rumor said that Abbie’s body was still warm when found and that the medical examiner concluded that she survived the attack but died later of hypothermia. Making this odd is new evidence that the entire crime occurred on the afternoon of 2-13 and it was all over in an hour or two. If this is true then somehow, Abbie lingered on and stayed alive for ~20 hours after a homicidal attack on her. It’s hard to believe and devastatingly sad if true that she lingered this long, but perhaps it is testimony to some special spirit the girl had to maintain life at all costs.

Who knows. If the body was warm, this means that Abbie died of hypothermia no earlier than 9:30 AM, as the bodies were discovered at 12:30 PM, and bodies only stay warm for 2-3 hours after death. This means that Abbie was certainly still alive when the search started at 9:30 AM. This third stronger rumor seems to be the best analysis right now. I know this sounds awful, but to me this is the saddest and cruelest part of this whole mad crime. That girl lingering for 20 hours. Good God.  Source: Family members, people close to LE.

There are rumors that the search party stated the bodies were moved in the course of this crime. The searchers stated that the girls had to have been moved, taken away and then returned to be dumped because the search party covered the same ground in both searches. The locale where they were found on 2-14 had previously been searched on 2-13.

The problem with this story is that it appears to be incorrect. That side of the creek was not even searched on 2-13 because they had not yet had permission from the landowner. That area was only searched the morning of 2-14. Also these poor girls were covered with leaves, which makes Abbie’s heroic quest to live an even more remarkable testament to her profound spirit.

The best analysis now seems to be that the murders and rapes happened soon after the girls were abducted, not long after Unsub ordered them “Go down the hill.” The entire south side of the creek was roped off as a crime scene, so no doubt this was where the girls were raped and murdered sometime after 3 PM 2-13. So why no noise? No one heard? How do you rape and murder two girls in broad daylight without anyone hearing?

Anyway, after the girls were raped and homicidally attacked, apparently the bodies were somehow moved across the stream, once again without anyone seeing, to the north side of the creek where the bodies were dumped. Source: People close to the search party, people close to the case. Common sense from LE talk implying that the murders occurred very soon after Unsub’s voice recording.

There is indeed a voice recording of Unsub saying, “Go down the hill.” This was recorded heroically by Libby by turning on the recorder on her phone as the girls were being abducted. The sound recording of the crime is said to be much longer than what was released. It has also been implied, terrifyingly, that the sound recording is actually the recording of the rapes and murders. That probably makes it one of the worst sound recordings made in a crime case in some time. The last one coming close to this would have to be the recordings from the Tool Box Murders in 1979. Source: People close to the case.

Anyway, I can now reveal part of what is on the unreleased portion of the tape. After Unsub says, “Go down the hill,” at some point later, the next thing we hear is both girls screaming. Good Lord. It’s no wonder LE doesn’t want to release that tape. Source: A person close to the families.

The place where the girls were found was described as pristine by members of the search party. The site of a recent homicide, especially a bloody and brutal one, never looks pristine. Just forget it. So we must conclude that the site where the girls were found was a body dump site and they were murdered on the other side of the creek. Sources: People close to the search party.

A prior theory of mine that was adopted by many others was based upon the insistence of search party members that the girls had to have been moved because the place where they were found on 2-14 was already searched on 2-13. First, even if it were true, the girls were covered with leaves so they could have easily been overlooked in the dark.

This theory was quite complex and involved the girls surviving the initial abduction despite LE statements implying that they did not.

Problem one. It also needed the girls to have been placed in a vehicle and taken somewhere to some structure where the killer(s) did their deeds. What structure? Where? How were they not seen?

Problem two. And it implied killers idiotically and implausibly returning to the scene of the abduction to dump the bodies, possibly on 2-14. And those bodies would have had to have been dumped right under the nose of Ron Logan as he resided on his property.

Problem three. Worst of all, it seemed to have needed the search area to be kept under surveillance  from 3 PM 2-13 until 2-14 2:30 AM. How did this happen? Who was the lookout?

This washed-out theory had so many bizarre problems with it that I am glad we have the new theory of the killings and dumpings both occurring on the afternoon of 2-13 soon after the abductions. This ties it all together so much better. Not to mention Occam’s Razor of course. Source: People close to the case, my own theorizing.

There is talk of a Ford Mustang that can be barely seen in  lower left of the photo of Abbie on the bridge below the bridge. It is very hard to make out, but it could well be a vehicle. How it was determined to be a Ford Mustang and a white one at that is not known. It is not yet known how this vehicle was involved in the case. The best analyses are that the girls were not placed in this car but instead that this car was either simply in the area for some innocuous reason or that the car was involved in the crime but in some other way than placement or transporting of the girls. Perhaps that is Unsub’s vehicle. Who knows?

The road that it is parked on  is a very little used road that almost no one has even heard of. It appears to have been a road used by workers to maintain  the bridge. Access to it is quite difficult and involves some convoluted twists and turns of road, not to mention that part of the access is via a private driveway. It does seem very odd to me that that car is in that location right before the girls got abducted. I am thinking that that car does not belong there at all and that it is significant to the case in some unknown way. Source: Sleuths analyzing the photo of Libby on the bridge, people close to the case.

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The vehicle can barely be seen circled in blue, or maybe you can’t make it out at all. This photo has now been enhanced.

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The vehicle is still hard to make out in this enhanced photo, but if you look very carefully, you might be able to see a car. Or maybe you won’t. Squint and try your luck.

Libby’s grandfather who raised her made an odd statement, “I know Libby. She put up one Hell of a fight.” The grandfather has been cleared. However, he is correct that Libby put up a strong battle. The reason that the grandfather said she put up a wild fight is probably because that is what it says in the medical report. If she fought hard, there will be talk of defensive wounds and maybe DNA under her nails.

The condition of her body at the funeral adds weight to the notion that she fought back very hard and sustained many defensive wounds because she had many small wounds on her body and face. In that case, Unsub may have scratch marks. Source: Media reports and statements from people at the funeral. Common sense that the only way the grandfather would known that she fought hard was if he saw the coroners’ report.

I believe the gun obviously holstered on the right under the jacket of Unsub was probably used to control the girls. He also got them to keep quiet, probably with the gun. However, I do not believe the gun was used to kill the girls. It would have made too much noise. Rumors that this was not a gun crime are correct. Source: Common sense that the gun would be the best way to control the girls and common sense that a gun crime would have involved audible gunshots. No gunshots were heard, so doubtless there was no gun fired in this crime.

There is a rumor that both girls had their throats slit. This is a strong rumor. Funerals were open casket, and both girls had scarves covering their necks, more to cover something up than as clothing. This adds weight to the theory that their throats were slit. There are two rumors about the knife attack on one of the girls. A weak rumor says she was decapitated. The strong rumor says she was nearly decapitated. A decapitation would have been hard for a funeral director to hide and both girls had their heads on at the funeral. Of the two rumors, the strong one looks better, but we don’t even know if the girl’s wound was that grievous.

The girl who suffered this grievous wound must have been poor Libby because Abbie’s wound was apparently mild enough to survive for 20 hours after the attack. No one can survive a near-decapitation. Even the incredibly determined Abbie, who I am starting to think is Supergirl, could not have survived that. Sources: Rumors, very first reports of the crime from family members. Later confirmation from people close to LE. Statements by people at the funeral.

And now I have some even worse news to report. A new rumor says that both girls were beaten so badly in their faces that they were nearly unrecognizable. This rumor may well be true, but at least Abbie was fixed up pretty good in her face for the funeral, so one wonders how a funeral director could have covered up such devastating wounds. Source: An apparently knowledgeable and trustworthy female commenter from Delphi on a website.

This offense was clearly sexually motivated and it seems quite clear that sexual assault occurred in the course of the crime. About this, there are two rumors. A weak rumor said that Libby was found clothed and Abbie was nude. This rumor has logical problems as it is generally assumed that both girls were raped. So Unsub raped her, killed her, and then thoughtfully put her clothes back on? Come on. The second rumor that both girls were found nude and raped is stronger and seems to be better.  Sources: Very first reports of the crime from family members and later confirmation from people close to LE, general rumors.

The girls’ clothing was found in the creek. This was no doubt an attempt by Unsub to destroy any DNA evidence. Source: Statements from reporter at the scene. Common sense indicates that this was an attempt to destroy DNA in the case.

Ron Logan, the property owner where the girls were found, was in Lafayette, Indiana on 2-13, and Unsub may have known he would not be there, but there is no proof of this. How he may have known this, I have no idea. Source: Media.

There is now a lot of talk that Ron Logan or perhaps his son were involved in this crime. This always struck me as unlikely, and Logan was quickly cleared. Now sometimes cleared suspects are later re-evaluated, accused of being culpable and arrested. But that’s pretty rare. And some of the people who cleared him were the FBI, making a false clearance even less likely.

Ron Logan was detained last weekend on a probation violation stemming from a drunk driving arrest earlier. The 77 year old Logan reportedly has a drinking problem. This arrest has sparked wild rumors that Logan was the killer of those girls. He never struck me as the type and he’s a bit old for a murdering rapist. Logan’s son is also being accused, but I am not impressed by the  weak evidence against him. Neither man strikes me as a likely POI. Source: Rumors, sleuths, media interviews, news reports, my own analytical skills.

There has been much talk of Jimmy Duvall possibly being Unsub. Duvall committed a serious crime against an 11 year old girl quite some time ago when he was 23. A month before, he had committed a similar offense. The judge said he had a “character disorder.” This typically means a personality disorder and used in a case like this, it surely means that has Antisocial Personality Disorder. In other words, Duvall is a sociopath or a psychopath. He served a good ~25 years for this crime and was released ~8 years ago.

He has apparently not offended since he has been released. Mr. Duvall was taken in for questioning early in this case and was asked to give a DNA sample. He then returned to his job at the auto plant. Rumors say that Duvall took 2-13 off as the first day off work in years and has since disappeared.

Neither rumor is correct. Yes, Duvall took 2-13. After all, it was his day off, why wouldn’t he? And he has not actually disappeared. My understanding is that he is at home taking a sick leave.

His creepy Facebook page was the subject of much discussion. It portrayed a man obsessed with evil, death, the Devil, murder and other pleasant themes. He also seemed to be a man struggling very had against his antisocial urges. No doubt he has a paraphilia, and of course he is sociopathic. But the best analysis is that LE has cleared Duvall of participation in this crime.  Sources: Rumors, court cases, sex offender files, Facebook pages.

Three other posts in this series:

Updated March 9: Profile of the Evansdale-Delphi Serial Killer

The Case for Unsub Involvement in Both the Delphi and Evansdale Double Murders

The Case for Linking the Delphi Murders with the Evansdale Murders

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Question: “Robert, How Do You Know So Much about Serial Killers, Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Sexual Sadists?”

I sometimes get involved in websleuthing. I don’t do it all the time, but I’ve been doing this for years.

I have also worked in real life with detectives attempting to solve an attempted homicide of a policeman in New Jersey in the 1960’s or 1970’s. I worked with detectives from California and New Jersey on that case. I had a good POI, and they were very interested in this case. I was very impressed with all three detectives in the case.

I am very interested in this sort of thing, and I have researched heavily a few cases. I have never caught anyone yet though. I wish I had. I am particularly interested in serial killings involving rape of women and molestation of girls. Basically rapist-murderers or child killers. In almost all such cases, the children are sexually molested. Repeat child killers are almost always sexually motivated. We are dealing with a sadistic pedophile in these cases. In the case of women, we are almost always dealing with a sexual sadist. In almost all such cases, we are dealing with sociopaths or psychopaths, probably the latter. I’m not interested in sleuthing out any other sort of cases, sorry. I have studied serial killers for many years, and I know a lot about them.

My counseling practice deals heavily with people who are consumed by thoughts of child molesting, violence against others, or homicide. I have to do differential diagnosis to determine pedophilia vs. no pedophilia and dangerous person versus non-dangerous person all the time.

As part of this work, I had to do a lot of research on violent people, especially murderers and serial killers. I have also done a lot of research into psychopathy and sexual sadism. I had to do a lot of research into pedophilia, which even included studying pedophile and hebephile websites where these people post.

These sites are on the Open Internet, and really there is no real child pornography on these sites. It’s mostly just gray area stuff and pedophiles/hebephiles talking about their common sexual interest. As a result, you can learn quite a bit of how these people think. It’s a valuable experience if you wish to understand pedophilia or hebephilia.

Confessions of molesting children on these forums are rare. I have only seen four confessions, and two involved 13 year old girls, which is arguably not even pedophilia.

It is a mistake to think that everyone on those boards is a pedophile or hebephile. Pedophile boards often consist of about 1/2 pedophiles and 1/2 pedophile-haters who abuse and threaten the pedophiles. So at least half of the people on those boards are not even pedophiles. They are the opposite.

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Updated February 26: Sexually-Motivated Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abbie Williams

Note to commenters: Please stop referring to Unsub as a pedophile. He may well be one, but that’s something that can be determined from this crime as it was not a pedophilic offense. Instead, this was a hebephilic offense. And the perpetrator could certainly be seen as a hebephile, although he’s not necessarily one. If you want to refer to the nature of the offense, use the word hebephilic instead of pedophilic. If you wish to refer to Unsub’s paraphilia, please refer to him as a hebephile and not a pedophile.

Thank you so much for this. I am getting tired of words being misused. And now we are being scientific on the board.

Note 2 to commenters: I am really getting sick and tired of saying this, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. The only thing that is represented as fact as statements sourced from LE or the media.

And incidentally, the way I wrote up the case is precisely how detectives work a case. Detectives do not work cases using the scientific method. If they did, they would hardly solve one case. It’s more “We believe this for now…this is true for now…at the moment, this is what we think happened…we believe…” They are throwing out endless theories about what really happened and accepting them as (temporary) facts. They are then continuously revising and throwing out theories and creating new ones.

Being  a detective is about being wrong. Not just once, but being wrong over and over so many times your head will want to come off. If you can’t handle being wrong, then detective work is surely not for you. Finally detectives arrive at enough information to file a case against someone, but a lot of that is not factual either. They believe he did the crime. They believe that this, that, or the other happened with no way to really prove it – it’s just what they conjecture.

If he is convicted, then the theory that he did the crime is validated as fact, but I am not sure what other evidence is. And even court decisions are not scientific fact because they get overturned all the time. There are not a whole lot of 100% certain, clear scientific facts in LE work, detective work on the judicial system itself. A good portion of the decisions made turn out to be theories, temporary but unstable facts, beliefs, hunches and guesswork, all represented as fact in the court.

If you have issues with theories, opinions and what not, just quit reading and get the Hell off my site right now and never come back. I am really getting sick and tired of this BS.

This post has now been updated:

Updated March 6: Sexually-Motivated Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abigail Williams

Sexually-motivated double homicide of two teenage girls, one 13 and the other 14. For some background on this heartbreaking case, see here.

This is an update of the case as of February 26, 2017.

How Do I Know All This Stuff?

First: How do I know all this stuff?

Question: “Robert, How Do You Know So Much about Serial Killers, Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Sexual Sadists?”

I have done a lot of research on this case including released information, rumors and borderline areas such as cryptic statements by LE. I have also spoken to people close to the case, including those close to the search party and law enforcement investigation of this case. I also spoke to other sleuthers and people interested in the case. Some were associated with missing persons groups. I have pretty good sleuthing skills involving research. This includes digging through background information databases online and other sorts of web research.

This is the source of some of my material.

I also worked a bit with Indiana State Police and the FBI, sharing my POI’s and tips with them. It is not an astounding statement. Please realize that a lot of people are working with LE in trying to solve this case. However, LE did not reveal much information to me other than some cleared suspects. Other information is derived from my own theorizing about the case. This includes offender profiling. And I believe I have some mild psi skills.

So there’s the source of all of the information.

My Musings on This Case

The girls were obviously tied up, I believe with a rope. But it is not proven that rope was used.

I believe that Libby was killed on 2-13, possibly pretty quickly, and Abby died or 2-14. The published obits state those dates. This has been confirmed to me by sources close to law enforcement. There is a rumor that the families chose those dates as death dates, but that would apply only to funerals, not obits. Obit info would come straight from coroner report. Therefore, the coroner report had to state different death dates. See below for more evidence that the girls died on different days.

When the search was going on, Libby’s phone was dead.

This was not a crime of opportunity. He planned this very well. He plans his crimes with the utmost meticulousness. That is why he is armed with the gun and disguising himself.

I have reason to believe that these girls were catfished, possibly via Libby’s Instagram page, although this is not proven yet. That is, the girls may have thought they were going there to meet a teenage boy, but instead they met the killer. The killer would have pretended to be a teenage boy in  order to lure the girls. There is no hard evidence for this, but there is some suggestive evidence via cryptic LE statements and friends of Libby’s speaking about activity on her Instagram account.

In my opinion, Unsub is approximately 5’8-5’10, ~160 pounds with a bit of a middle aged man’s stomach paunch.

LE stated that they believe that Unsub came from out of state to do this crime.

Clearly Unsub has a pistol, a .45 or 911. The pistol was holstered to his right side, which means he is left-handed. The outline of the pistol can clearly be seen in the photo released of the man. A photo exists showing the pistol outlined with graphic software. Assuming that is a pistol, and it is, then Unsub is left-handed. He is either left-handed or pretending to be left-handed. Pretending to be left-handed makes no sense in a case like this as it would be hard to draw with his fake left. This would result in a clumsy draw resulting in possible dropping or fumbling with the weapon. Therefore, Unsub is left-handed.

Law enforcement stated in the media that Unsub may be trying to disguise himself in the photos by using a hat and a scarf. 

He is wearing a hat, a jacket with a hoodie and blue jeans in the photo. In my opinion, the hat is a camouflage hunting cap with padded ear muffs. Unsub is overdressed for the weather, but February in Indiana is pretty cold. He seems to have layers of clothing on. He has almost his entire body covered with clothing. Part of this is to disguise himself but another reason is so he will have few exposed areas of his body if the girls fight back hard. The layers of clothing will prevent them from leaving scratch marks on his body, although they still could scratch up his face pretty good.

LE confirmed in the media that Unsub has a fanny pack. This is probably where he kept his murder kit.

Talk of backpacks and duffel bags makes no sense to me. I do not believe that Unsub had a backpack or a duffel bag, but perhaps he did. At any rate, there was a man dressed in all black seen at the time also. This man definitely had a backpack. I believe that this man participated in the murders with Unsub. In other words, there were two killers.

There were apparently two killers in this case. This can be gleaned from cryptic LE statements. Very quickly, with the release of the photo, LE described Unsub as the man who “participated” in the killings. However, if you study this sort of thing, LE never uses the word participated when describing a crime with a single killer. That verb is only used when there is more than one killer. I kept wondering why they always used the word participated.

At the large video press conference, we got more evidence. At ~3 minute mark, the officer says, “And I especially want to thank the person whose information will lead to the arrest of the murderers of these girls.” I have listened to that part of the tape over and over, and he clearly said murderers. He did not misspeak. He said that intentionally.

Later in the conference, after a cryptic statement by an officer, someone in the audience jumped up and asked, “Wait a minute! Do you think there were two killers?” The officer then said, “Look, this is one of the strangest,  oddest, most confusing and  convoluted cases I have ever worked on, ok? So just keep that in mind.” With that statement, it’s pretty clear that he is cryptically stating that there were two killers. 

As far as how LE came to state that there were two killers by using the word “participated,” I believe that they came to that conclusion by gleaning four sets of DNA from the crime scene: Two sets were Libby and Abbie, and the third was Unsub. But if a fourth DNA sample was found at the site, that can only mean two killers. LE’s official statement right now is that they do not know whether there were one or two killers involved. I believe that the evidence revealed so far is sufficient to conclude that there were indeed two killers.

Sources close to law enforcement say that Abbie’s body was still warm when found, and the medical examiner concluded that she survived the attack but died later of hypothermia. If the body was warm, this means that Abbie died of hypothermia no earlier than 9:30 AM, as the bodies were discovered at 12:30 PM, and bodies only stay warm for 2-3 hours after death. This means that Abbie was certainly still alive when the search started at 9:30 AM.

Sources in the search party in the Delphi case confirmed that the bodies were moved in the course of this crime. They stated that the girls had to have been moved, taken away and then returned to be dumped because the search parties covered the same ground in both searches. The locale where they were found on 2-14 had previously been searched on 2-13. The 2-13 search began at 5:30 PM, and by that time, the girls had been moved out of the area. The attack began at ~2:15 PM, so the girls were moved out of the area sometime between 2:30-5:30 PM.

Unsub must have put the girls in his vehicle and transported them somewhere where he assaulted them either in his vehicle or at a residence, either his own residence, an associate’s residence, an abandoned residence, or a residence that he had use of. Unsub was certainly not in the area from 5:30 PM on 2-13 until 2:30 AM on 2-14 and from 9:30 AM-12:30 PM on 2-14. Therefore, the girls were returned to the site on 2-14 between 2:30 PM-9:30 AM on the morning of 2-14. Unsub has a seven hour window on 2-14 in which to return the girls to the site.

Unsub probably parked his vehicle on the road next to the cemetery. Police vehicles were seen in the area, but they were not searching the cemetery. Instead there was a long line of them parked on the road next to the cemetery. Therefore, Unsub may have parked his vehicle on the road next to the cemetery.

In published UK media, grandfather who raised her made an odd statement, “I know Libby. She put up one Hell of a fight.” The grandfather has been cleared. However, he is correct that Libby put up a strong battle. The reason that the grandfather said she put up a wild fight is probably because that is what it says in the medical report. If she fought hard, there will be talk of defensive wounds and maybe DNA under her nails. The condition of her body at the funeral adds weight to the notion that she fought back very hard and sustained many defensive wounds. In that case, Unsub may have scratch marks.

I do not believe that LE has any particular POI at this moment. They are far away from solving this case.

The first LE they did was to go around questioning people who were being talked about as possible suspects. They have already cleared a number of people this way. They are also going around to all of the local RSO’s and questioning them. They want them to come talk about the case. While at the police station, they searched their phones and asked them to submit DNA. They are clearing many of the RSO’s this way.

The raid was on the property of the Jim Maxwell who lives on Bicycle Road. He is completely innocent and cleared. This poor guy had nothing to do with it.

I believe the gun obviously holstered on the right under the jacket of Unsub was used to control the girls. He also got them to keep quiet, probably with the gun. However, I do not believe the gun was used to kill the girls. It would have made too much noise. Rumors that this was not a gun crime are probably correct.

Sources people close to law enforcement confirmed that both girls had their throats slit. Funerals were open casket, and witnesses stated that both girls had scarves covering their necks, more to cover something up than as clothing. This adds weight to the theory that their throats were slit. Libby also had small wounds in many places on her body, and her face had been somewhat injured. This is because she fought back against him very hard.

This is obviously a sexually motivated offense. Initial reports said both girls were raped. Sources close to law enforcement confirmed that rape was involved in this case and that Abbie was definitely raped. Whether Libby got raped is not known, and there are problems with the theory. There are different reports about the state of the bodies. There are rumors that both girls were nude. But sources close to LE say that Abbie was nude while Libby was clothed. It is difficult to reconcile Libby being raped with her being found fully clothed.

There is no evidence of physical torture in this case.

Prepubertal girls have no sex drive, and they have no sexual interest in boys. If these were prepubertal girls, we could rule out their meeting a boy via social media, as girls that age are not interested in boys sexually. At sexarche, usually age 13, the sex drive comes on strongly, and many girls become very sexually interested in boys and even men. Both girls had surely passed sexarche. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that they could have been there to meet a boy their age.

Ron Logan, the property owner where the girls were found, was in Lafayette, Indiana on 2-13, and Unsub may have known he would not be there, but there is no proof of this. How he may have known this, I have no idea.

Other posts in this series:

Possible Major Break in the Delphi and Evansdale Murders

Updated March 9: Profile of the Evansdale-Delphi Serial Killer

The Case for Unsub Involvement in the Delphi and Evansdale Double Murders

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Psychologists Say Trump Is Severely Mentally Ill

Well, we knew that.

The particular illness he has s called Malignant Narcissism. Although it is not in the DSM and has never even been proposed, it has a theoretical long history in psychiatry. Karen Horney did some of the best early descriptive work on it, and Otto Kernberg added to that with a superb monograph in 1984. Unfortunately, most of the writing about this disorder is coming out of the psychoanalytic community, where dubious theory is common.

Think of narcissism as self-esteem. They are the same thing, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Almost all human beings are narcissistic, and narcissism is an essential part of the makeup of any healthy human. However, as with most things, even water, you can have too much of a good thing.

Narcissism, like most things in abnormal psychology (or for that matter, on Earth), exists on a continuum.

At the far left, we have low narcissism, which could be seen as low self-esteem. This is not a good condition, but it is very hard to fix once it gets set in.

Healthy narcissism is the sort of thing that most people have.

High narcissism is better seen as high self-esteem and it is generally regarded as a sign of good mental health. Some people might find these people a bit too much, and some people refer to them as vain, conceited, or self-impressed. At worst, they can be arrogant, condescending, and cocky and they can wear out their welcome after a bit. However, if the downside of the feeling (arrogance, condescension and cockiness) are played down, high self-esteem does not generally get too much in the way of functioning well as a human being. In addition, many of these people retain a lot of empathy for others,  but as they tend towards arrogance and cockiness, they can start to seem unempathetic.

Beyond that, we move into the toxic zone of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which may also exist on a continuum of mild NPD, moderate NPD and serious NPD. If you told the first two that they had NPD, they would laugh in your face and turn it into an attack on you. The latter may well recognize that they have this condition, but they don’t care that they do, or else they like it.

Beyond NPD, we move into the area of Malignant Narcissism. This is a poorly understood construct, but I believe that it does exist and should be in the DSM. This could be seen as narcissism heading off into psychopathy. They are sometimes called Narcissistic Sociopaths.

A lot of people think that narcissism and psychopathy are on the same spectrum , as the sociopath is the ultimate narcissist. In a way he is, but it is in an odd way. To the narcissist, other humans exist, but he just doesn’t care about them.

For the sociopath, in a sense, the sociopath is the only person in the whole world. Not only does the world revolve around them but even worse, the world is them and they are the world. Other humans don’t exist as such. They exist in a way, but they are not really human. Instead, other humans are like the hammers and screwdrivers in your tool chest. Sure, they come in handy sometimes, but they’re not exactly alive. And I can take that hammer or screwdriver and do whatever I want to with it. I can throw it away, set it on fire, throw it in a river, or smash it to pieces. Which is about how a sociopath sees you – as a handy tool that is about as alive as a rock which can be destroyed or tossed aside if he desires to without any more of a thought as you would give to tossing away any nonliving thing.

Here is a good schematic on the Narcissistic continuum:

Low Narcissism (Low Self Esteem) -> Healthy Narcissism -> High Narcissism (High Self Esteem) -> Mild Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) – Moderate NPD – Serious NPD -> Malignant Narcissism -> Various degrees of sociopathy and psychopathy ranging from 20-40 on Hare’s Psychopathy Scale

They kept saying Trump had NPD, but I always wondered about that. I have met a few NPD’s in my life, and I have known at least one quite well. Sure, they are insufferable, and they can be serious jerks, but they didn’t seem to have the same level of crazy as Trump. I kept thinking, “Well, severe NPD is a pretty nasty illness,and they can seem pretty nuts,” but I was unsure about that statement.

And now it all makes sense. The reason he seemed so extreme for an NPD is because he is not an NPD at all.

Instead, he is something considerably worse, a Malignant Narcissist. It is separate disorder from NPD, past NPD on the road to sociopathy. But I do not understand this illness well, and it has never been in the DSM, though it ought to be.

NPD’s can definitely be dangerous, but in general they are too obsessed with their wonderful greatness and their superb lives to commit serious violence and risk imprisonment. They also might not want to hurt their glorious public image.

The one thing you need to know about Malignant Narcissists is that they are dangerous. Now that doesn’t mean that they are ever going to do anything truly bad, and they may go through their whole lives without spending an hour in jail. But the potential for some serious bad behavior all the way up to serial murder is there.

To give you an example of how dangerous a Malignant Narcissist can be, Ted Bundy was a malignant narcissist.

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Donald Trump: DSM Diagnosis – Axis 2: Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Severe), Prognosis – Grave

Whitedawg: I was kind of wondering, commenting about the personality traits/qualities of regular everyday people or elected officials, more so than Teddy. There is little doubt Ted crossed a lot of lines.

But it’s not so evident to most that President-elect Trump may have some serious problems that can influence his decision making and tweeting. Many people know non-serial killing psychopaths, sociopaths, and malignant narcissists. And some of those traits are looked at as positive.

Whitedawg, I am not sure if Trump is a Malignant Narcissist. However, a lot of people think Trump seems crazy. He seems very nuts or off to me too. The answer to the question is that Trump is indeed seriously nuts. He has a personality disorder. He has a serious or severe case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Some say it has gone over to Narcissistic Sociopath (not sure what that is) or Malignant Narcissism. I am not sure myself. Narcissistic Sociopath would not be a bad description of Mr. Trump.

If any of you ever wanted to know what a serious case of NPD looks like, study Mr. Trump good and hard. He’s a textbook case X 10.

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Can Ted Bundy’s Crimes Be Blamed on Porn?

Jason Y: It sort of reminds me of happened to Ted Bundy in the 70’s, an otherwise, well-liked pretty boy who had been driven insane by something, some have claimed it was a BDSM porn addiction.

That is just an excuse. There was something wrong with that boy from Day One I am afraid. His home environment was horrible. His adoptive father was a cruel, wicked man who beat the family pets and hated Jews and Blacks, who he often went on tirades against. He was a real terror.

At age three, one of Ted’s aunt’s was visiting. She lay down to go to sleep in the bedroom, and when she woke up, there was little three-year-old Ted standing at the foot of the bed with an evil smile on his face. He had taken 10-15 knives from the kitchen and had arranged them all around her sleeping body with the blades pointed towards her. This guy was a Bad Seed, probably a born incurable psychopath.

Ted probably committed his first murder at age 14. He was working as a paperboy when an 8 year old girl disappeared right from his own neighborhood. He was friends with her, she had been over at his house before, and she had been seen over at his house at night in the few weeks before the killing. She had been abducted from her bedroom via a bedroom window. Tennis shoe marks were found below the window sill.  The size matches Ted’s shoe size.

The girl was never seen again. There was construction work going on at a nearby community college, and a large pit had been dug there. Ted was seen at the site of that construction pit watching over the workers two days after the disappearance. He had an evil little smile on his face.

Many years later, a native American woman complained that when she was near the school library, she often heard the horrible screams of a young girl. She kept making these complaints. At some point, an area near the library was excavated for some reason. The girl’s body was found buried there, many years after her disappearance.

Before Ted committed his first known murder, he made a couple of trips back to visit relatives on the East Coast near Maryland. He stayed there for a few weeks each time. During one or both visits, young women were raped and murdered near where Ted was visiting, say within 50-100 miles. The young women were college-aged. So Ted is suspected of 2-4 murders on the East Coast while he was still a university undergrad. All of these women were killed during the precise few-week periods when Ted was visiting the area. I believe that Ted killed these women.

Ted never fessed up to these killings, though he did admit to 36 murders. However, in privileged conversations with his attorney, the lawyer once asked Ted how many murders he had been responsible for. The lawyer threw out a figure of around 30. Ted smiled and said, “Add another figure to that.” This implies that Ted said he was responsible for over 100 murders. Since his execution, no new murders have been added to the 36 he is already suspected of, although there are quite a few cases of rapes and murders of young women near the various areas where Ted was living over the years.

Ted used to leave the bodies on rugged mountains. He would then go back to these kill sites and visit the bodies in the days after the killings. He would lie next to the bodies, put makeup and lipstick on the girls’ faces and have sex with the dead bodies, even days after the girls had died. He took a skull of one of the young women that he killed and hid it in his fireplace for a long time.

Ted’s victims often showed bite marks, typically very deep bite marks on the breasts. Ted seemed to go into some sort of a wild animal-like frenzy when he killed, beating the women to a bloody mess with clubs and tearing at their flesh around their breasts like a wild predatory animal, which is basically what he was. It takes a lot more than some exposure to “porn” to create such a depraved beast of a man. In fact, such monsters are probably more born than created.

Authorities long suspected Ted of having committed that first murder when he was 14 years old, and they tried many times to get him to fess up to it. But Ted always turned rigid and defensive whenever that case was brought up. Even the worst criminals have a hierarchy of evil. Some things are beyond the pale even for them.

Ted did not mind at all being thought of as the killer of beautiful young college-aged women, often with long brunette hair like his former girlfriend who broke up with him and broke his heart. He seemed to take some sort of pride in being a rapist and killer of beautiful young coed types.

He even went so far as to confess to the rape and murder of a 12 year old girl in Florida, one of the crimes that earned him the death penalty. The girl had been so savagely attacked that parts of her flesh had been actually ripped out with Ted’s teeth as he did his human predator frenzy routine on her. But a 12-year-old girl is on the edge of puberty, so she could seem to be heading towards a woman. And he got caught for that crime, and there was little he could do but confess.

Ted Bundy was a malignant narcissist or narcissistic sociopath like our current President-Elect Donald Trump, and indeed, Mr. Trump reminds me of Bundy in some ways. Malignant narcissism is where narcissism has gone clear over into sociopathy. The two problems are similar, and there is a lot of overlap. Most narcissists are a bit sociopathic, but the sociopathy usually stays rather limited because as sociopathy increases, your chances of success in life start to diminish, and the narcissist is all about being successful and especially being seen as successful in the face of others. Narcissists would probably like to do a lot more bad things than they actually do but are stopped due to the consequences, which they are painfully aware of.

Sociopaths on the other hand could care less what anyone thinks of them. They think they are the center of the world or perhaps that they are the only people who exist at all. Others are not even really humans to them but are seen more as objects like the tools in your toolbox that you can use for whatever purpose you wish or even destroy or throw away if you are so inclined.

In Malignant Narcissism, the narcissism has gone all the way over into sociopathy and you have what is for all intents and purposes a sociopath. And malignant narcissists can be pretty bad sociopaths. Bundy is not the only serial killer with Malignant Narcissism. However, in Malignant Narcissism, the sociopath craves the attention of others which he eagerly seeks out. He is very attentive to the opinions of others. Negative opinions can be devastating, and positive opinions can serve as sources of narcissistic supply.

Yes, Ted was extremely vain and also susceptible to the negative views of others. While being a coed killer might be just fine for Ted, there is little worse than a child killer. I suspect that Ted’s massive ego simply could not handle the blow to it that would have occurred once Ted got labeled a child killer. Ted could see himself as some heroic coed slayer, but no one likes a child killer. There is no criminal so reviled or despised. There is nothing even possibly heroic or noble in killing a little child, even for a man as depraved as Ted Bundy.

Based on Ted’s history, I would say that porn played little role in his development. Obviously Ted developed the BDSM fantasies of a severe sexual sadist early on in life somehow, maybe as early as age three. The “porn” Ted references is not even pornography. Ted liked to read and apparently masturbate to detective magazines. I am not sure if these are still around, but they used to be when I was younger. There were often many photos of rigged-up crime scenes with masked men holding knives or guns to struggling, captive, and often bound and gagged women. There’s nothing erotic there unless you get off on violent rape or even murder. Ted was already set up that way anyway, but the images in detective magazines simply fueled his pre-existing tendencies.

There was no porn problem with Ted Bundy. The porn thing was just made up by Ted the narcissist to attempt to take the blame away from his crimes and make his crimes the fault of something other himself. Of course narcissists are rarely wrong, and everything is the fault of some other person or entity. “Detective magazine porn made me do it” is just Ted’s narcissistic way of saying that all those murders were not really his fault.

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