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“Child Porn” (Whatever the Hell That Means), Teen Sexting and Pic/Video Trading and Other Moral Panics, Mass Hysterias, Emotional Derangements and General Idiocies

Contrary to what my enemies say about me, I will take a pretty hard line below. The real deal (adults and kids 12-below child porn) needs to be kept the Hell off the Net. People making that crap, putting it up on the Net, or collecting it on their drives can go down hard for all I care. Throw the book at ’em. On the other hand, the issue is somewhat more nuanced than that, and it brings up some extremely difficult questions in legal theory and moral philosophy and general common sense.

The laws against child pornography are correct in that it ought to be illegal put that stuff up on the Net.

I have a hard time seeing how it is illegal to look at the stuff. I mean, you are cruising around the Net and BAM there’s some child porn on your screen. Or you are pic trading porn in a chatroom, and all of a sudden the guy you are trading with sends you child porn BAM! Even if you had no idea the guy was going to send you that crap, and you deleted it within seconds of it hitting your screen, you still committed a felony. Isn’t that crap?

Suppose you are cruising along the Chans and BAM there’s some child porn up on the Chan. OK what exactly are you supposed to do? Leave the page? Stay on the page? It doesn’t matter! Because BAM as soon as that crap hit your screen, you committed a felony! Any way to go back and uncommit the felony? Nope! You’re going down forever more unless you can clean your drive real well. See what crap that is?

I also have a problem with eyeball crimes. This is the only crime on Earth where you can to go prison for many years for “illegal looking.” What do you mean illegal looking? What the Hell kind of crime is that? You can look at anything else on Earth, videos of men being slowly tortured to death by serial killers, Islamists sawing people’s heads off and torturing them to death in every way imaginable, the worst crime scenes  imaginable… everything on God’s Green Earth is legal for your eyeballs.

Except for this CP crap. The argument goes that this kid was injured or harmed in the making of that porn. Indeed that’s probably the case. But then the argument goes that by the fact that your eyeballs grazed that photo of that kid being harmed, you horribly harmed that poor child again by looking at them with your eyeballs! Really?! Your eyes hurt that kid? Every time someone looks at that pic, that kid gets horribly injured? How? Where’s the injury? Is it invisible? Can we measure it?

For this to be true, you would have to prove that that kid was aware every time someone looked at the CP photo of them. So if the photo gets looked at 100 times that day, somehow through some psychic process that kid gets a devastatingly injurious brain zap every time? The whole argument behind this theory is sheer idiocy, and it defies all logic and sense. It’s not a rational argument in any possible universe.

You see where they say Mr. X was arrested for “downloading” child porn. For a long time, I thought these guys deserved it. I mean “downloading” means saving it to your drive in a folder, right? Once you do that, you’re possessing it, right? I have no problem with the possession of CP being illegal. You shouldn’t be collecting that crap on your drive. And yes, all you perverts collecting that crap is of course what drives the market for it in the first place. It’s illegal to possess all sorts of things. There are many such laws saying we may not possess this or that. That’s grounded in sanity, logic and legal precedent.

But recently I realized that downloading CP doesn’t mean downloading at all necessarily. It’s often a reference to the horrific crime of “illegal looking with illegal eyeballs.” I guess your eyeballs have to go to prison for the illegal looking charges? Just by the fact that you happened upon that child porn, perhaps out of complete ignorance and innocence, you are guilty of “downloading child porn.” Isn’t that stupid? It’s “downloading” because your browser downloads a copy of everything you see on the Net to the browser cache. Now I suppose if you clean your drive thoroughly, you can get rid of everything in your browser cache, but still, what the Hell kind of retarded crime is that? Illegal looking? WTF!

Child pornography is photos and videos of adults having sex with children age 12-under. I don’t think pornographic photos and videos of teenagers having sex with anyone is child porn. It’s just not. I don’t know what the Hell it is, but it sure as Hell ain’t “kiddie porn.”

Teenagers of both sexes, boys and girls, are constantly taking nudes and pornographic photos and maybe even videos of themselves and trading them around with other teens. I can tell you for certain that there is a vast amount of this going on, at least on Twitter. How do I know? Because I know about this stuff. They form private pic and video trading groups, (usually all underage teenage girls mostly 15-17) and they trade pics of each other, sext each other, etc.

Usually the groups are girls under 18 only, no boys allowed. Often bisexual girls are especially encouraged to join. So underage teenage girls are taking a vast amount of pornographic photos and maybe videos of themselves and maybe others and trading them all around to fellow underage teens. It’s literally an epidemic. And according to the law, it’s all child porn. Every one of those girls taking those photos and videos is “producing/manufacturing child pornography.” If she trades the stuff with her girlfriend? Now she’s “distributing child pornography.” Huge numbers of teenagers of both sexes are being arrested for manufacture, distribution and possession of child pornography. This insanity is absolutely outrageous. It shows just how insane the Pig State really is. It’s not even a Police State – it’s actually a Pig State.

So what is to be done? I have no idea. We should leave these kids alone with their pics, though. If they put them up on the Net, that’s not OK, but from what I can tell, girls are hardly putting any porn pics of themselves up on the Net. It’s all going back and forth with messaging and emails. Almost nothing is going up on any webpage. I think we should make it illegal for these teenagers to put this teen porn up on the Net. We have to ban that. And we need to keep the under 18 for porn law in. You know why?

This is why:

Now suppose we said that in Kentucky the age of consent is 16, so you can have sex with any legal person you want to at that age, 13-93? There are laws like this all over the land. It’s perfectly legal for any adult man to have sex with a 16 year old girl in half the states in the US, which is fine. But if it’s legal for her to have sex, why isn’t it legal for her to take a nude pic of herself? So now you have a tidal wave of cases of the Pig State allowing a 20 year old and a 16 year old to have sex with each other, but as soon as one takes a nude of themselves or the other and gives it to the other one, they’ve manufactured and distributed child porn, and they have to go to prison for 10 years! Idiocy!

So this 20 year old man can have sex with this 16 year old girl 10 times a day for years if he wants to, but as soon as these star crossed lovers who are screwing each other’s brains out every day take a nude of one or the other, they’re child pornographers and they are going to prison for 10 years! What kind of stupid crap is that!?

I do not know what to do about this. I suppose if they are over the age of consent, they can take pics of each other all they want and pass them around at least to one another in privacy and to other minors. I’m leery about this stuff being passed around willy nilly to adults though. They can’t put them up on the Net because it’s illegal material, and we don’t want that junk on the Net.

But why not? Indeed, let us look at a fascinating argument:

A very good argument is that if a girl can consent to sex at 16, why can’t she consent to taking porn photos and videos of herself and put them up on the Web? Or allow other people to film her? Actually it sounds logical. If you’re old enough to screw, of course you’re old enough to do porn. At the very least, you ought to be able to take pictures of your own self and put them up on the Net. I have no problem with this in theory.

But here is the problem. Pornographers are some of the most low down, sleaziest, slimiest men (and almost all are men) on the planet. They’re just about criminals, except what they are doing is legal. Most are what I would call legal criminals. The rates of Axis 2 Cluster B disorders is very high among pornographers. Narcissistic Personality Disorder and especially sociopathy and psychopathy are everywhere in that industry. It’s Ground Zero for male controlled psychopaths. Most pornographers are simply awful people.

Now here’s the problem. Say in these states where the AOC is 16 or 17, we allow girls that age to consent to doing porn. I agree it’s rational and reasonable. But here’s what is going to happen. Very soon after you legalize legally sexually mature girls age 16 and 17 to do porn, the porn studios are going to be flooded with teenage girls wanting to do porn. It’s just going to happen. I assure you it will. If they can’t find them here in the US, they will readily find them in Russia, Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria, and places like that.

Because the porn industry is constantly pushing the envelope and promoting weirder, kinkier and sicker stuff in a race to the bottom, the 16 and 17 year old girls doing porn will soon be flooded all across the net. There’s already a massive market for the “Barely 18” market, in which 18-20 year old girls do porn for the “young girls” market. You can call men who would look at those 16 and 17 year old girls doing porn sick fucks all you want, but I assure you that in the US alone, you will have millions of men looking at that 16 and 17 year old girl porn.

Do we want this? No, we do not want this! We cannot allow girls under 18 to make porn because of the scenario above. I don’t want to open up my browser and see 10 ads for 16  year old girls doing hardcore porn. Just forget it.

As far as CP – the real deal – adults and kids 12 and under – goes:

  • Of course it needs to be illegal to put that crap up on the Net.
  • It has to be illegal to make it.
  • It has to be illegal to trade it back and forth by messaging or emails.
  • People who collect that crap in folders on their drives can go down hard for all I care.

But illegal looking? Illegal eyeballs? That’s just weird. How do you justify putting some poor schmuck in prison for 10 years because of some image that he innocently stumbled on and flashed before his eyes? The whole idea of “illegal looking” at anything on Earth being a crime, much less a serious felony, sounds completely bizarre. Like I said, name one other thing on God’s Green Earth that it is illegal to look at?

Let the teenagers take their porn pics and whatnot of themselves and each other and trade them around in strict private out of the view of everyone else. If it’s perfectly legal for two humans to engage in any sex act they wish with each other, for God’s sake, of course they can take photos of each other doing it or just posing with nothing on. But I don’t want to see that crap being passed all around town. If you are a grown adult, you should not be looking at nudes and porns of underage girls. The exception would be if you are in a legal sexual relationship with her. But passing them all around town? We need to discourage that somehow.

There is zero sense, logic, sanity or rational thinking operating on any argument about this stuff. 100% of the people talking about this stuff are emotionally deranged. They are trying to think about this, but they are emotionally crazed so they can’t think about it logically. If you are in an emotionally deranged state of mind, you can’t make any rational decision about anything. Reasonable thinking only occurs when people calm down and stop thinking emotionally.

Emotional thinking never does any good. All it ever does is give you the wrong answer.

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Would a Psychopath Purposefully Hurt/Be Cruel to Someone Else (for Fun), Even If They Hadn’t Done Anything to Him/Her?

Answered on Quora:

It is not true that anyone can act this way. Most non-psychopaths will not behave this way. Most narcissists will. Many borderlines will. Histrionics might. Manics definitely will. This is Cluster B behavior.

When normals are cruel, which they often are, there is typically a reason for it. They think it is a good reason, but often it isn’t. I can’t imagine a neurotypical hurting someone out of boredom. That’s ridiculous.

Psychopaths and sociopaths along with narcissists are known for their cruelty. Borderlines can be exceptionally cruel, but they are doing it because they are crazy rather than because they are evil. Narcissists and sociopaths/psychopaths are getting a lot more towards true evil.

I had one psychopathic client in my counseling practice. This young man desperately needed an intervention so he didn’t kill someone for the sheer fun and thrill of it. This man told me that sometimes when he was bored, he acted cruel and mean to people just to have something to do. He acted like this was somehow perfectly justifiable and that there was nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Understand that sociopaths/psychopaths are often bored. One way to get out of boredom is to be cruel to someone. This will create a lot of tension and drama in the air and will tend to cause a scene. To this type of person, an ugly scene is better than being bored.

 

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Lies of My Haters

I wasn’t going to answer this stuff, but I think I really need to because this poison just keeps going around, and it needs to be countered. Every time I counter this stuff, it never seems to help with the haters, and it seems like it just makes them hate me even more. All of my explanations are warped into more proof that I am sick and evil.

Here is the entire thread. I will go through this bit by bit.

New to this sub…the threads at WS are way too long and rehashing the same discussions over and over, so I admit I am a little out of the loop on this case. Glad to have found this sub though. Anyway, I was doing some reading today on this case and came across blog by a guy named Robert Lindsay. He claims he has all of these inside sources that tell him rumors that he is “100% sure are true”.

He also states rumors as facts, which is super-unprofessional. His claims sound like a huge load of bullshit to me. He also seems kind of creepy to me…a little TOO involved/obsessed with the case. His blog made me uncomfortable to read honestly. Has anyone else come across his blog? If so, what do you guys think? Sorry if this isn’t allowed.. mods please feel free to delete.

How many times do I have to repeat that my beliefs are my beliefs only, and that things are that I believe, even with full confidence, are still simply beliefs which can be proven wrong at any time as any non-fact can? I don’t state rumors as facts. This is one of the most pernicious lies about me, and I am really sick of it.

I am really tired of the line that I say that I have all these inside sources. I have no inside sources whatsoever. I have no LE sources whatsoever. I have almost no sources in the families. All I have is locals who work with me and tell me whatever the latest dirt that is flowing around is. If you don’t like my theories, you hillbillies need to go look in the mirror. All my theories came right out of Delphi and the surrounding area. The problem is you, not me. You’re the ones who came up with these ideas.

The idea that I am too involved in the case is sickening. What’s this supposed to imply? That I get off on this sort of thing? This is another lie that I hear all the time. No, I do not get off on this sort of thing. I am sure many men do though, mostly in their fantasy lives. I am not a sexual sadist, and I don’t really enjoy sadistic porn, although I have seen it. I am not even really into S/M, B/D, which is becoming a legitimate Cultural Left orientation.

It’s just not my thing. I don’t have sexual fantasies that involve raping and murdering women. Of course I have sexual fantasies about all sorts of things, but rape and murder sex is just not my bag. Never have. I don’t do it, and don’t wish to do it. It doesn’t get me off. At all. This is libelous, by the way. You have no idea what my sexual proclivities are. The idea that you can read my stuff and figure out what gets me off sexually is crazy. This is an example of retarded thinking. You wonder why very high IQ types get sick of normal IQ folks. Because we have to deal with their retarded thinking all the time. This type of retarded thinking is called:

  • If you write about it, then you like it and/or do it.
  • If you talk about it, then you like it and/or do it.
  • If you write or talk about things that a type of person does, then you are one of those types of people.

It’s one of the stupidest types of retard thinking out there, but the majority of people think exactly this way. It’s also extremely Normie way of thinking, and Normies suck.

It made you uncomfortable to read because I discussed some of the gruesome rumors surrounding what happened in this crime. These are rumors now, but we will learn the facts one day. There’s nothing creepy, sick or evil in reporting what rapist-murderer maniacs did to their victims. Nothing at all. It’s simply reporting facts. Yes, the facts of rape-murders are typically gruesome and awful, but they are still facts, and there’s nothing wrong with discussing the details of horrible crimes.

[–]heavymetalismetal 24 points 28 days ago
He’s just out to make a buck off of gullible, lonely, bored people. He states he has all these degrees and credentials, but he does not have steady employment. He whines about his car repairs and his broken air conditioning. Reminding people that if they want to comment on his blog they should pony up.

Latest I read was when he accused Libby’s much older uncle having a sexual relationship with her and that Abby was pregnant by her thirteen year old boyfriend, so they kidnapped the girls, took them to a barn, tried to give Abby a DIY abortion, but whoops! Things got out of hand so the girls were murdered to shut them up.

And I also love the post he made about what he would do with the reward money once he got it.

His blog is like watching a car accident, I tune in just to see if he’s been charged with something yet.

I’m out to make a buck! I’m out to get rich! Last year I made $14,000. It’s been that way for many years. What’s wrong with making money? This is my job, and I work very hard at it. I request to be paid for my labor. When you do your job, are you making a buck off your gullible boss? Of course not. He’s paying you for your labor. Do you work for free? Of course not. Why should I work for free? Give me a reason. Any way you can legally make money is pretty much acceptable. We all have to survive. I feel this is a perfectly legitimate way to earn an income.

I do have degrees. Is it evil that I point that out?

Yes, I do not have steady employment in the form of a 9-5 job working for a stranger if that is what you mean. That is due to health reasons. Instead, I am self-employed. You got a problem? Before that, I worked at all sorts of jobs, including a number of professional occupations.

I am not understanding this critique. First I get slammed for trying to earn an income. Then I get slammed for not having a steady job? Why don’t I have to have a steady job? This is more retard thinking. Retard thinking says all adults must have this thing called “a steady job.” Like Hell you do. All adults should try to earn enough money to survive. You don’t need a steady job or a regular job or any of that crap. You can make money any way you want. The idea that everyone has to have a “steady regular job” is retard thinking, and it’s just more Normie crap.

I whine about car repairs and broken air conditioning. One thing I hate about the Net is this bizarre idea that anyone who complains is whining. No ever complains on the Net. All complaining is automatically whining. This is more Normie garbage, and it’s more retard thinking. We all complain. I have known many people who needed to have expensive repairs on their vehicles. Every single one of them complained about it. It’s a normal human thing to do. Only psycho Normie retards think it’s “whining” to complain about unfortunate circumstances.

That is correct. Regular commenters need to pay. This is more Normie crap. Normie idiots think bloggers have no right to charge for their blogs. There are pay websites all over the net. Many blogs and forums and sites run by writers charge money for some or all of their content. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s Normie retard thinking to believe that there is something wrong with Net writers charging for content.

The reason I “accused Libby’s much older uncle of having sex with her” is because that is what it appeared that he was stating on his Facebook. With a photo of him and Libby in the background, he was talking to another man and telling how he had sex with an underage girl. The other man said, “But she’s only 14.” In addition, there is a long-standing rumor in Delphi that this man had sexual affairs with Libby or her sister or both. I have no idea if any of that is true, and in the piece, I stated that there is no evidence that CP has ever had sex with an underage girl. Given his statements and the widespread rumors along those lines, it was legitimate to report this rumor.

“Abbie was pregnant by her 13 year old boyfriend.”

Actually the boyfriend is 16 years old. Blame the women of the Delphi area. This “Abby was pregnant” rumor came right out of town and was a huge rumor for a long time. I will report on all major rumors.

“…so they kidnapped the girls, took them to a barn, tried to give Abby a DIY abortion, but whoops! Things got out of hand so the girls were murdered to shut them up.”

The rumors were that the girl was pregnant and that she was found with a stake driven through her belly. The source of these rumors was women in the town of Delphi itself. With the pregnancy and the stake as our evidence, a good theory would indeed be a botched abortion theory. In any case with facts like that, you would have to consider a theory like that. The theory made perfect sense in light of the rumors.

And I also love the post he made about what he would do with the reward money once he got it.

Yes, I said I wanted to give some of it to the families. Aren’t I a horrible person for saying that? WTF is wrong with that, Normie retards?

[–]itsjesssa 16 points 28 days ago
I was reading the comments on his blog and he banned a dude for (what seemed to me) getting more attention than him. And he practically begs for “donations”. Plus he’s creepy as hell.

The man was banned for violating the Comments Rules. Go read the rules. If you come to my site, you have to follow the rules. If you don’t, you get banned. Why do you Normie retards have such an issue with that?

I don’t beg for donations. They are seldom mentioned. Anyway, requests for donations are very common with many Net journalists. Some of them are quite insistent about it. I don’t blame them. They deserve to be paid for their labor.

“I’m creepy.”

All this creepy bullshit comes from the fact that I discussed the gruesome details of the crime. Some of the details were sexual. So that makes me a creep. What a retarded way of thinking. PS, in Meatspace no one thinks I am a creep. Women and girls have loved me ever since I was ~17 or so, and they still do. It’s always been that way. Creepy guys scare women off. I don’t. I’m the flower, females are the bees.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 15 points 27 days ago
I still can’t tell if that pic on his website is him or a serial killer. I’m not being sarcastic. Those glasses are creepy as fuck

What Normie retard crap. This is the usual Normie thing. Guys with glasses somehow look like rapists, murderers and child molesters. But they don’t. Most such folks do not wear glasses, and people like that almost never look nerdy or dorky. Instead, they look like mean, nasty Alpha criminals. And thank you for libeling me by calling me a serial killer.

–]aqua7 11 points 27 days ago
that’s a very old picture
[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 19 points 27 days ago
Here is a recent photo of me having dinner with a gorgeous young woman. We are pretty much the same age at heart, although I am 31 years older than she is. Oh one more thing. And she’s a model! I never thought at age 60 I would be dating 28 year old models! Do you know what’s even better than that? I still get 18 year old girls! I am almost 60 and I still date hot 18 year old girls! So proud of myself![ 283 more words ]
lmfao

[–]heavymetalismetal 15 points 27 days ago
Ew. What does a twenty something year old professional model see in an unemployed old man with no car?

[–]itsjesssa 14 points 27 days ago
Oh dear god no. He reminds me of this kid I went to school with who was very nerdy and awkward and had no friends so he would make up these outlandish claims and that made him have even less friends.
Or..ya know…Napoleon Dynamite’s brother, Kip.

[–]JamesonJenn 3 points 13 days ago
Kips got more class.

[–]TheAmazingMaryJane 7 points 18 days ago
Like a model is going to eat all that food in a crappy cheap place (what IS on that plate!!) with a dude.

[–]aqua7 6 points 27 days ago
;-)~

[–]theawesomefactory 6 points 25 days ago
Gross.

[–]Hephf 5 points 24 days ago
Geezus.

[–]Supreme000 10 points 27 days ago
LMAO! Thanks for posting this. Now that certainly puts it into perspective, don’t it? Old and delusional. The rantings of a madman.

Bit by bit here.

“What does a twenty something year old professional model see in an unemployed old man with no car?”

I do have a car. We took her car, by the way. She drove eight hours to visit me. There are all sorts of models. Many don’t make a lot of money, like catalog models. I’ve dated model types most of my life, and I still do to this very day. I get hot women with no money and no regular job. I am almost 60, and I still get 18-28 year old women. You tell me how I do this. Some young women still think I am cute or handsome, and my Game is out of this world. I know how to get women. I’ve been doing this since I was a teenager. There’s an art to it, and I’ve got it down.

“Like a model is going to eat all that food in a crappy cheap place (what IS on that plate!!) with a dude.”

She didn’t eat all that food. She gave a lot of hers to me to take home to eat. It’s not a cheap crappy place. It’s a Oaxacan restaurant that serves authentic food from Oaxaca, Mexico. The food is excellent. It’s not the fanciest place, but you can get unreal food in some pretty humble joints. Anyone knows that. The food on the plate is called “clayuda.” Yes, she did eat with me, and as a matter of fact, she even took that photo.

It’s only people on the Net who think I can’t get women. No one in Meatspace thinks that, apparently because I don’t look like the type of guy who can’t get laid. More like the opposite.

“Old and delusional. The rantings of a madman.”

It’s all true. Want to call her up and talk to her? I’ll give you her #, and you can see for yourself.

[–]kateykatey 13 points 28 days ago
Yeah, his is probably the most infamous blog related to this case.
I think he’s a sad old man typing one handed trying to feel important honestly. There’s some of his theories that I can get on board with (e.g. the barn nearby was the kill site, their throats were slit, the recording is 40 minutes long and mostly screaming) but some of them are so out of left field I don’t know how he can post them with a straight face. The comments are often quite interesting though! Lots of valuable insight and theories from locals.

I’m not sad; I am pretty happy. I’m not old; I am middle aged. I don’t type one-handed. More libel suggesting I type with my dick in my hand.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 10 points 27 days ago
My problem is he states theories as facts. For instance he calls the barn “the kill site” without any real fact to prove that is the kill site. I agree its a plausible theory.. but for the time being it’s just that – a theory.

How many times have we gone over the “states theories as facts” lie? Our theory was that the barn was the kill site, and by the way, we had some excellent reasons for feeling that way. As in evidence.

[–]aqua7 6 points 27 days ago
He takes info from other places and forums. He has yet to back up any of his claims. There are a few interesting comments, but not much.

How many times have we dealt with this retard thinking about “stealing other people’s theories?” Did they patent their theories? Did they copyright their facts? This site is a clearinghouse for all of the theories and rumors surrounding this murder case. Of course I roam all over the Net looking for theories and rumors on other sites. That’s where I get a lot of my material. That’s what we do here: collate theories and rumors from websites and sources and throw them out there and evaluate them. This thinking that somehow people have copyrighted or patented the rumors or theories that they report is truly bizarre. It’s very stupid thinking for idiots.

He has yet to back up any of his claims.

This is not true. Some of the things I reported I listed law enforcement and the media as sources. Most of the rest is theory, and there’s nothing to back it up with because no facts have been released. I don’t back up my theories with facts because it’s not possible to do so. Truly retarded thinking! How can one back up one’s theories with facts when no such facts exist? What a stupid way to think.

[–]Supreme000 13 points 27 days ago*
He’s creepy, and he makes some awful accusations based on “supposed” town gossip, and his own crazy opinions. He has no sources. He’s reckless with his opinions and what he is saying about the girls is criminal. He says young girls their age are masturbating daily and will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man! He’s twisted.

It is in fact town gossip. I have had sources, almost all women, in and around that town since I started writing this stuff. Everything stated as a Delphi theory comes right out of women in that town and surrounding areas. Take it up with those women why they are spreading “awful accusations.”

He has no sources.

I suppose this is more libel. You know this how? You have no way to know this. I have a BA in journalism. Of course I have sources, and I know how to cultivate them. We learned that in J-school. I am an expert at obtaining and cultivating sources.

He’s reckless with his opinions, and what he is saying about the girls is criminal.

How? The girls? Both of them? What did I say about them that I can be arrested for? Is this about Abby being pregnant? Go talk to the women around Delphi because they were the source of that very strong rumor going around for sometime.

He says young girls their age are masturbating daily and will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man! He’s twisted.

This really needs a separate post. I did a quick and dirty study ages of certain puberty milestones. While I was collecting that data on forums, the girls were asking each other how often they masturbated. I didn’t intend to collect that data, but there it was, so I wrote it down. In a study with 50 girls age 13-15, 70% of them reported masturbating daily or near-daily. If you think that’s horrible, go take it up with the girls who are diddling themselves. And if you think I made that up (Why would I do that?), go do your own study and prove me wrong.

The actual impetus for the study was driven by an anti-pedophile notion of mine. Yes, I did that study as part of an anti-pedophile project. I have had to do a lot of research on pedophiles as part of my work. I found that pedos often say that kids 12-under have a very strong sex drive and even try to seduce the pedos. I very much doubted it was true, but I wanted to see if it was or not.

There was almost no data on the sexuality of young children, which is almost criminal right there. What little I found indicated that young children do not have an actual physical sex drive in the same way that mature persons do. Mature persons have an actual physical drive. It’s in their bodies. More specifically, young girls do not lubricate, and young boys cannot ejaculate. Nor do young girls get the “pleasant pain/tingling sensation in the stomach/abdomen” which is a very common symptom of the physical sex drive in mature females.

After figuring out that kids have no sex drive, the next thought I had was, “Well OK, so when does the sex drive come on anyway?” I honestly had no idea, and the data was about zero. I wanted to know the age at which the sexless world of young children because the highly sexualized world of the mature person. So I went off to the forums to learn this. I also collected data on age of breast budding and pubic hair onset because that is interesting to me. Many people find the age of onset of puberty an interesting subject, and many articles are written about it mostly because the age of puberty seems to be dropping. I also felt that the sex drive comes on at the same time as menarche, which makes sense.

And it’s in their minds too. Mature persons fantasize about sex with others a lot. It appears that young children do not think this way. When I was a kid, I think I thought about sex maybe five minutes out of a year.

So there you have it. A quick and dirty study driven by me trying to disprove a pedophile lie.

will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man!

With 70% of 3-15 year old girls masturbating every day or near every day, I would say the sex drive comes on pretty damn strong nowadays. If you believe otherwise, do a study that shows I am wrong.

Some 13 year old girls seduce men. It’s usually the stepfather or Mom’s boyfriend. It happens. I think they do not do this very often though. But as girls climb upwards in age to 14…15…and up, girls that age definitely seduce men. Hell, I had a 12 year old girl openly proposition me when I was 20. She walked right up to me and asked me to have sex with her. A 13 year old girl openly propositioned me in front of the whole class at age 27 when I was teaching school.

At age 20, I had 14 and 16 year old girls asking me out on dates regularly. A number of my friends have been seduced by teenage girls. Often they openly proposition young men. They are not very sophisticated about it.

Some men prey on these girls, but almost all sex with adult men and teenage girls is very consensual. The girls are very willing and usually enjoy it. Most of the time they refuse to testify against the man. It’s not uncommon for them to run off with the men.

He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man!

OK first of all, it is not possible to molest a teenage girl. You can only molest little girls. With teenage girls, it’s statutory rape or illegal intercourse. And yes, they often do seduce the men. That’s been my experience and that of my friends anyway.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 21 points 27 days ago
Honestly. I wish LE would look into this guy. Not even just in regards to this case, but in general. He is a fucking creep.

Wow, more libel. Telling police to check me out as a possible sex criminal. Libelous as Hell. PS, the police in Indiana know me well and I have spoken with some of them at length. They were very friendly.

–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 17 points 27 days ago
He enjoys discussing young girls in a sexual and sadistic manor wayyyyy too much for my liking. He seems to REALLY get his jollies off telling these weird fantasy “rumors”.

More retard thinking.

If you write about rape-murders of teenage girls, that means you enjoy writing about it!

How the Hell do you know if I like to write about this stuff? Actually I do not like to write about teenage girls in a sadistic sexual way. That’s yucky for me. I’m not into sexual sadism.

By the way, that’s libel saying I enjoy writing about this stuff.

He seems to REALLY get his jollies off telling these weird fantasy “rumors”.

More retard thinking. If you write about sick rape murders, then that means you enjoy the idea of raping and murdering! Incredible. More retard thinking.

  • If you write about it, then you like it.

Completely retarded way to think.

[–]itsjesssa 12 points 27 days ago
AND the masturbation habits of YOUNG girls?!?! Its on his site somewhere. I had to scroll the fuck away from that one.

The masturbation habits was a result of a study I undertook to try to disprove a pedophile lie. It was an anti-pedophile study. The girls were discussing their masturbation habits, so I decided to write that down. If you are so weird and upset about teenage girls having a sex drive, go over to the forums and tell those girls to stop writing about how often they diddle themselves.

“Omg did you see where he was talking about a “study” he did that teenage brothers and sisters almost always have sex with each”

More libel! I said no such thing. I did write an article about brother-sister sex because I always thought it was uncommon. But in reading around, I started noticing that brothers and sisters were having a lot more sex then I ever suspected. I was actually shocked at how much of this was going around. There is even a Reddit group dedicated to this sort of thing, and there are many posters on there, including adult brothers and sisters who are still carrying on. I never said that “brothers and sisters almost always have sex with each other.” I do not believe that is the case. However this sort of thing is more common than I thought.

More retarded thinking.

  • If you write about it, then you do it.

If you write about brother-sister incest, then you like it. Retarded Normie thinking. I have no opinion on brother-sister sex. I have a sister, but honestly I never thought about her like that.

[–]Supreme000 10 points 27 days ago
He has a very twisted view of young girls. Yes, goes into way too much detail regarding young girls, or his delusions of young girls.

My little study again. So go do your own. Prove I am wrong.

“His is the only site that is making outrageous claims that for me, boarder on slinging mud at these young girl’s reputations if they are not true.”

The “Abby was pregnant” rumor came straight from women in Delphi. How does being pregnant ruin her reputation? You can’t ruin her reputation. She’s dead. It’s not possible to defame the dead. Go look it up. Anyway, these things happen. Teenage girls, even young teenage girls, do get pregnant. The fact that these people think that is an insult shows their hatred of sex and puritanism. A teenage girl who gets pregnant is not a bad person. A stupid person? Yes. A bad person? No. This is Puritanical thinking.

–]gretagogo 8 points 27 days ago

Me too!!!! Especially after reading his “study” of the young teens.

Boy that study really pissed you off, didn’t it? Does the truth hurt? So go prove me wrong. Do you own study and show I am wrong.

[–]erictalkssoccer 13 points 24 days ago
He is a fucking asshole. Here is a post of his from a year ago, before he had reached any level of notoriety for his Delphi articles.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/sexual-asssault-for-beginners
Here is a quote (and no, this is not tongue-in-cheek):
“Have fun sexually assaulting women, guys!
But be very careful, and don’t get carried away. A jail cell is not a fun place to be. I have been in those cages a couple of times. You probably never want to go there at all if you can help it.”

This is one of the worst ones of all. People do not understand what sexual assault is. Do you realize that any time you put your hands on a woman without her giving explicit permission, you are engaging in sexual assault? It’s true. But if you are ever to get anywhere with females in this world, you are going to have to start touching them. Grabbing them. Putting your hands on them. Generally speaking, this is done on dates, but it doesn’t have to be.

If she makes a certain move, then you can absolutely grab her, start kissing her, whatever you want. That’s if she starts touching you.

Outside of dating, I have generally done this only when they started touching me first. But on a date, Hell yeah, you better start touching her!

You also need to do it in any sort of pickup situation where you just met a female, and it seems like a pickup. You met her at a party, or at school or wherever. You start hanging around together and pretty soon, you are spending the whole day with her. Every time you turn around, there she is. Pickup situation! Start touching her, dammit!

Or if you are over at her place. You can start touching her or even grabbing her. Do it!

You have to be very careful how you do this, and I do not recommend doing it to female strangers in public unless you are insane. If you do not do this right, especially if you are in public and you do it to a stranger, you can cause a scene, get the cops called on you, have some guy in the vicinity get in your face and order you to leave, and if you don’t leave, he may punch you. Worst of all is if police come and she decides to file charges.

It’s pretty much a chickenshit charge, going after a guy who touched you in public. So he touched you in public? So what! Tell him to stop. Firmly. In an angry voice.

But that doesn’t mean a woman don’t do it. Women file chickenshit charges against men all the time.

If you start touching a woman and she gets angry at some point and starts pushing you away or firmly and angrily says no, you really need to just stop. A lot of guys don’t, but that’s lousy behavior, and to me, it is very rapey. I try not to do that. It has to be consensual. I am not a rapist.

I had a naked woman wandering around my house for two hours the other night. She was my maid. I got her naked, took a shower with her, and got to touch her a bit, but she wasn’t putting out at all. She just wandered around my place for two hours stark naked, refusing to put out. I think that was lousy behavior on her part. Finally I caught her in the dining room with a syringe and a spoon getting ready to shoot meth in my place. I threw her out pretty quickly after that.

I would like to point out that a lot of men would have just raped her. They would say that if you get naked and wander around some guy’s house for two hours, you are saying you want to have sex and also consenting to it. I don’t agree. It’s false advertising, but I’m not a rapist. I refuse to rape a woman even if she’s pretty much asking for it, and some are.

[–]gretagogo 10 points 27 days ago
Someone else posted about him on a different thread in here and I chimed in with many of the same feelings as you. What’s really bizarre is the next day or so after that I was looking at his blog and he addressed what people say about him and he quoted what someone replied to me with. I’ll have to see if I can find it. It just really creeped me out.

That’s right. You think you can go on the Net and talk crap about me all day, and I’m not going to respond to your hater ass? Don’t think so!

[–]indigoworm 10 points 22 days ago
This man seems very disturbed. I was excited when I saw such a comprehensive blog about the Delphi Murders as I have struggled to find a good one. When I saw his, I was hopeful to learning more about the case and possible theories. What I ended up getting was the ranting and ravings of a mad man. When he cites his sources, it is a few words at the end of the paragraph. Really helpful, buddy.

Furthermore, he think Damian Echols is a Satanist. He presents himself as oh so intelligent, but he is a buffoon. The only thing he knows is the various types of pedophiles and that is probably because it’s his #1 hobby. It really pains me that he is exploiting this horrible murder to get donations and it continuously spreading misinformation. So sad….

I started stating my sources after each allegation because scum like you were freaking out and screaming that I had no named sources. First place, I do not have to name my sources. I have a BA in Journalism, and naming your sources is not required and in fact is a very bad idea. You know a person is a retard if they start screaming, “Name your sources!” or “Lindsay refuses to name his sources!” These people never took a journalism course. I got this with the retarded Bigfoot scum and now I get it with the retarded Delphi scum.

I fail to see how my saying Damien Echols is a Satanist makes me insane or not credible. It’s an open question, and many people do say he is a Satanist or at least he was one, and judging by his recent actions, he still is. I studied the case for a long time, and my conclusion is that Damien Echols is a Satanist. It’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion based on the evidence. Only a scum would say one lacks credibility for making such a conclusion.

[–]FrankieHellis 7 points 25 days ago
When I first came across his blog, I was excited and I subscribed. Within a day or two, I became unexcited and unsubscribed. That dude has some issues.

In fact, I do not have much in the way of issues. I am actually under the care of mental health professionals, and there is not much wrong with me. No affective disorder. No personality disorder. No psychotic disorder. I do have an anxiety disorder for which I take medication and hence the psychiatrist. I fail to see how having an anxiety disorder makes one insane or have issues. It’s run of the mill stuff.

[–]borderhorizon 6 points 25 days ago
“Robert Lindsay” is a pathological megalomaniac. His presumptions regarding motive and method are the precipitate of years of agonizing self-analysis. An analysis into the abyss of his own desperately wicked soul. He’s a social arsonist who is obsessed with starting a fire…and then coming to the rescue to solve it. In addition to posting a sophomoric criminal analysis, it would follow that he’s been unsuccessful in various ventures in life.

None of this is true. My best therapist insists that I do not have Narcissistic Personality Disorder and I do not suffer from pathological narcissism, in short, I am not a narcissist. He says I have “high self-esteem,” and if you want to equate self-esteem with narcissism as many clinicians do, then that counts as high narcissism, but high narcissism (high self-esteem) is not considered a disorder. In fact, it is usually considered a sign of mental health.

I have worked a variety of jobs all through my life, good ones and bad ones, and I do not believe I have failed at any of them.

Well on a construction crew, at a factory and at a warehouse driving a forklift, I could not seem to get the hang of it and was fired for doing a poor job, but I gave them all 100% of my effort. I am not worried about failing  at a variety of poorly-paid working class jobs. I have also had a number of relatively prestigious jobs, and I have not failed at any of them. In fact, I have a couple of jobs now working for myself, and I am doing quite well at both of them.

I have been under the care of mental health professionals (clinical psychologists and psychiatrists mostly) for much of the past 25 years. This is because I get regular treatment for an anxiety disorder. I’m sure that if I was seriously disturbed in some evil and dangerous way they would have caught it and pointed it out by now. In terms of dangerousness, mostly they say that I am harmless, but I will fight very hard to defend myself, and I mouth off to people who insult me or attack me.

I do not think our criminal analysis is sophomoric. I know for a fact that LE officers in at least two states read here. They requested passwords to the private forum and were given them. If this site had nothing but junk, I do not see why they would read here.

[–]otistoole 7 points 15 days ago
I’ve been familiar with this guy for years. He has to add his 2 cents to everything, from Sasquatchery to sociology. He is quite arrogant and unpleasant. He revels in being more intelligent than most everyone else. I really don’t think he is half as smart as he likes to believe he is.

In my opinion, he really just needs a good, solid ass-kicking. Seems like no one in his life cared enough yet to correct him or counter his megalomaniacal fantasies, and sometimes there’s nothing left to do for a person like this except to bust him in his damn mouth.

A guy named Otis Toole insulted me! I’m so hurt!

Yes, I have opinions on many different things. What’s wrong with that? That means I am a polymath and a Renaissance Man. You got a problem?

I do not revel in being more intelligent than everyone else or most everyone else, even though I am. If you take 1,000 Americans and put them in a room, I am smarter than everyone in the room. On the contrary, it is rather lonely and alienating, and it upsets me when my brain tries to tell me that half the people I meet are Goddamned morons. I feel bad about thinking that way, and often wish I could shed 30 IQ points.

Not as smart as I think I am? I am in the .1% of intelligence in the US, as documented by repeated testing. That good enough for you?

I do not know what to say about this megalomania crap. Wouldn’t someone like that be automatically Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Is it possible to be a healthy megalomaniac? If you meet me, you might be surprised. It’s often said that I am shy and self-effacing in Meatspace.

[–]dbbwlkr 4 points 22 days ago
I said from the beginning how his picture looks like the BG. It looks like he shaded half his face to portray this…

I admit it. I am the Bridge Man. I killed those girls. I was in California at the time of course, but I killed them anyway. I aimed my black laser beam eyeballs at them, and that’s how I did it! I can kill from 2,000 miles away! I have mini cruise missiles in my eyeballs! All you haters better watch it!

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 11 points 27 days ago
He does really put himself out there though sharing his ideas which is pretty brave. I have to disagree that it’s brave to state outlandish theories from behind a computer screen. Now if he had the balls to say these things to the faces of Abby and Libby’s families, that might be “brave” (or just dickish, but you get my point)

In fact, I was emailing a member of Abby’s extended family for a while, and he donated generously to the site. He also praised my work. So there.

[–]Hunt4lindsay 2 points 7 days ago
I represent a group who can visit Mr. Lindsay. We need someone to set him out on where he can regularly be located.

This can be none other than Brad Holder and his nutcase son Jason, Abby’s former boyfriend. Just what I need. An antisocial devil-worshiping freak and his snotty little punk ass son are coming after me. As if I did not have enough problems.

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Delphi Murders Update July 23, 2017: Update on the Crime and a Profile of a Delphi Murders Suspect

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting really sick and tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and get off my site and don’t come back. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories, and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Notice: All of the really hot discussion and sleuthing on the site has headed over to the private password-protected forum, where our team of ~200 websleuths has been working on this case and has assembled a huge case against our suspect, including videos and many photographs. Instructions on how to get on the private forum.

This is a profile of a man who we feel is the best suspect in the double murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German in Delphi, Indiana on February 13, 2017. In also contains some new evidence on the crime and a new rundown of the crime itself.

New Information

But first of all, we have some new important information on a Vehicle of Interest in the crime.

Vehicle of Interest

We believe we have identified a Vehicle of Interest (VOI) in the Delphi Murders case. It is a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. This vehicle was spotted by a witness at the north end of the bridge at 3 PM on the day of the murders around the time the girls were killed. To our knowledge this is the only vehicle at the scene that was not cleared, so we believe it may be the Bridge Man’s car. We believe the car was a rental car, and the paper plates were stolen.

This same vehicle was also spotted seven miles south of Delphi in the early AM on the morning of the murders at a woman’s home. We believe that our suspect is in this photograph with the VOI. He was visiting a woman’s son, BH, at the home. The woman thought the suspect looked suspicious, so she photographed him and wrote down his license number. We have that license number, and we have several photographs of this vehicle with the suspect standing next to the trunk.

Later the woman’s son, BH, was swabbed for DNA by LE. Reports indicate that the woman who took the photo, shown photos of our main suspect and the man on the bridge, said our suspect was both the man by the car and the man on the bridge. However, her statements have been very inconsistent, and she is not the best witness out there.

One story is that this man was there to pick people up to go off in the woods near the bridge to make methamphetamine. However, I question that, and it has not been proven that our suspect is involved in manufacture of methamphetamine. Further, we are not even sure if our suspect is meth-involved at all.

However, it does appear that at some time later, the woman’s daughter M, her boyfriend KC and another man named TJF did leave (probably in a separate vehicle) to go make methamphetamine in the woods near the bridge. It does seem that there were two small teams making meth in the woods around the bridge sometime during the day or night of February 13. This is part of the “Meth Theory” according to which some of these people murdered the two girls. I am quite dubious of the Meth Theory of the Delphi Murders.

We believe that the car photographed may have been the same car used in the crime. We investigated the license plate and traced it back to the nearby city of Kokomo. We believe that the license plate was either stolen in Kokomo or provided by someone in that town. The license number is #G908510. At the time of the crime, the license plate was still valid, but it expired in April. We believe these plates have probably been discarded. This information has been shared with LE, but we have no idea if LE agrees with us that this may be the VOI in the crime. This is simply the car that the Beyond Highbrow team of ~200 websleuths believes may be the VOI.

We have reason to believe that LE may be interested in this photograph although they have not made any statements about these photos. Nevertheless, we feel that if you recognize the man in the photo or if you saw this vehicle or license number around the time of the crime, we think you should notify LE. We also would also like to talk to you. Contact information for this site is on the Contact page.

If you are innocent and you are the man in the photo, or if that is your vehicle, or that was your license plate number, we feel you should go to LE and inform them of that so you are no longer under suspicion. Nevertheless, we have serious doubts that an innocent man, vehicle or license # is in this photo.

It is correct that LE has not released any information about this photo, but perhaps they may in the future. Although these photos have been released on some Facebook fora, they have sparked little interest. We have been holding these photos for a long time and were afraid to release them for fear of interfering with the investigation. However, with the release of the composite and after thinking long and hard, we are having a hard time understanding how releasing this information harms the case. Instead, it may well prompt more tips. Also, MSM news sites may pick up on this story, which may prompt even more tips.

At least some of us sleuths here sometimes work with LE on this case. We cooperate fully with LE on all of these posts. After publication, LE was asked if they wanted us to take down any photos or information on this page due to possible harm to the investigation. We were not told to withhold any of the information or photos here, so we are going to continue publishing this material until we are told to stop. These photos were specifically turned over to LE on Friday morning, July 21.

White Dart in Delphi 2-13

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 5

Dodge Dart 2-12

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 4

White Dodge Dart 2-13

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI)  3

White Dodge Dart rental car

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 2.

White Dart with license #

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 1. Photo taken in the early AM seven miles south of Delphi, Indiana on 2-13-17, eight hours before the Delphi murders occurred in that same town. The person was at a woman’s house visiting the woman’s son, a man named BH. An identical vehicle was seen at the crime scene at the time of the crime. We believe that this may be the vehicle used by the man on the bridge in the crime. We believe that the man in this photo may be the man on the bridge. The license # is written on the photo.

 

The Actual Murders

Items Owned by the Girls

We doubt if Libby’s phone was recovered by LE. We believe all of the information on the phone was taken from the Cloud before the phone died. We believe her phone was taken by the killer. We continue to believe that he may have disposed of it in a gravel pit lake on the Mears property next door to Ron Logan’s property. We do not believe that LE has yet searched or drained this lake. They would probably need a warrant to do that, and I doubt if the Mears wish to give LE permission to search or drain that lake.

The Audiotape of the Crime

One of the victim’s family was allowed to hear only the first six minutes of the audio. It is from the following listening session that we have learned the following:

Only six minutes of the 40 minute video are known. After the killer say, “Down the hill,” there are only the sounds of people walking through the forest for several minutes. There are muffled voices of more than one person talking at this time, although it is hard to make out what anyone is saying. Towards the end of the six minutes, the Bridge Man and the girls can be heard crossing the creek, which was knee-high where they crossed, albeit icy cold.

At some around this period, you hear both girls screaming on the audio, probably before the attack took place. Why no one heard these screams is not known. We believe the actual attack started after the three had crossed the creek. It is unknown what prompted the attack. We believe that the first attack consisted of a knife attack to the back of the neck of one of the girls, and the victim went right down after this attack. It is not known what is on the rest of the audio, but it appears to consist of the sounds of the two murders taking place. Both murders were apparently caught on audio in full.

Rumors

The following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed. Most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. However, the rumors in italics are apparently true to the best of our knowledge:

Probably or Fully True Rumors

Both girls were disrobed either partially or fully. One was naked, but the other had a top on. Both girls were bottomless, and the panties of both girls were found at some distance from the crime scene. Some of the girls’ clothing was found in the creek.

One girl was propped up against a tree in a sitting position.

One girl had the top half of her body covered with leaves.

There was blood and dirt under Liberty’s nails and dirt under Abbie’s nails. Abbie’s nails were badly torn up.

One girl had an F carved or burned into her chest.

Police believe that Libby had 4-5 chances to escape, but did not flee because she was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster. In real life, they were inseparable.

One or possibly both girls had their throats slit. One girl’s throat was so badly cut that she was nearly decapitated.

More Uncertain But Plausible Rumors

At some point, at least one of the girls was stricken with the blunt end of a gun.

At least one of the girls had the back of her head badly bashed in with a heavy object, possibly a rock.

A stake was driven vertically into the abdomen of one of the girls by the killer who was standing over her body. This is another persistent rumor that we have made great efforts to refute but still have not been able to.

One girl had a knife wound to the heart and another to the jugular vein in her throat.

Both girls were beaten nearly beyond recognition.

This stake to the stomach is one of the reasons for the consistent rumors that one of the girls was pregnant. It is not known if either girl was in the early stages of pregnancy, however this is a persistent rumor that we have not been able to refute despite our best efforts to do so. The rumor initially stated that one girl was pregnant, but now it says that the other girl was pregnant. Another rumor is that part of the attack was set off by the killer becoming enraged when he found out one girl was pregnant. How he found this out is not known, but perhaps she told him in an effort to spare her life.

The killer used some sort of strong chemical to try to destroy any of his DNA left at the scene.

The girls were  “posed” in the crime scene.

Inconsistent Rumors

There are inconsistent rumors of whether the girls were sexually assaulted. One rumor says they were, and in fact, it goes into some detail about what happened during and after the assault. We will not go into the details of this rumor at the moment for obvious reasons. But the latest rumor, apparently from an excellent source, is that the girls were not sexually assaulted.

The Bridge Man and Our Suspect: Too Many Coincidences

We believe that the Bridge Man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town. The suspect formerly worked at Indiana Packers for a significant period of time from the mid-90’s to mid 2000’s and may have retained work boots from that job.

We believe that the Bridge Man is a fisherman. The suspect is an avid fisherman almost to the point of obsession and fanaticism.

The Bridge Man is definitely left-handed. The suspect is also left-handed. Actually he is ambidextrous, but he prefers his left hand.

The Bridge Man is bowlegged. The suspect is also bowlegged, probably from extensive horse riding as a youth. We have a photograph of the suspect next to a horse. The suspect grew up right around the area of the crime in the vicinity of a lot of horses.

The Bridge Man is duck-footed; that is, his feet go outward when he walks. The suspect is also duck-footed.

The Bridge Man has an injury to his left knee which is obvious in the moving gif’s of him walking on the bridge. The suspect also has a serious injury to his left knee, has several deep stitches on it, and sometimes wears a brace. We have a photograph of the suspect’s scarred left knee and a photograph of the suspect wearing what appears to be a knee brace on his left knee.

The Bridge Man is 50-60 years old. The suspect is 52 years old.

The Bridge Man is 5’8 – 5’10 and weighs 180-220 pounds. The suspect is 5’8, and when last weighed was 170 pounds, but that was a few years ago, and he seems to have gained weight after his recent release from prison.

The Bridge Man appears to be in good shape for his age based on the way he easily navigates the rickety, frightening bridge. Being an avid outdoorsman, the suspect has been in great shape his whole life, but he has developed a paunch as a recent middle-aged development.

The Bridge Man smokes and is smoking during the crime. He may also smoke cigarillos, as a cigarillo wrapper was found at the scene. The suspect also smokes, and he does smoke cigarillos. We have a video of the suspect smoking a cigarillo.

We believe that a white compact vehicle may have been used by the Bridge Man to commit this crime. The suspect was photographed the night before the crime in Indianapolis, and the photographs were posted to a social media page the night of the crime. We have two of these photographs. In one of these photographs, the suspect is standing next to a white compact car. We believe that this photograph was used by the suspect to foreshadow the crime he intended to commit the next day by leaving a tantalizing clue, which is something that he loves to do.

In the number and strangeness of the tantalizing clues this suspect leaves about his crimes, the suspect resembles the Zodiac Killer, the BTK Killer and others. The suspect also likes to ridicule and mock LE. If this case ever goes to trial, it may go down in history on the same level as those other crimes where the criminal left clues behind to tease and taunt LE.

We have quite a few more coincidences between the suspect and the Bridge Man, but we do not want to release that material now due to fears of harming the investigation. All of our material was officially turned over to LE on Friday, July 21.

More About the Man on the Bridge

Although the Bridge Man is said to be wearing a fanny pack in the bridge photo, he is actually wearing what is called a deer kit. This typically contains scissors, knives, etc. for cutting up the game that the hunter has killed, and the Bridge Man’s pack may have contained similar items. He may have used some of these items to cut up the girls.

We know the Bridge Man is left-handed because he has a left-handed gun holster strapped to his right side with a semiautomatic pistol in it. We believe we know more about this holster but are not releasing it for now.

We know the Bridge Man has a gun on him as it can clearly be seen in outline under his jacket. We believe we know more about this gun but are not releasing it now.

We believe that the Bridge Man’s gun is either unregistered or stolen. If stolen, we believe he may have stolen it from Ron Logan somehow. If this is true, we do not understand this aspect of the case.

We know much more about the Bridge Man but are not releasing it due to fears of harming the investigation. All of this information was officially turned over to LE on Friday, July 21.

The Suspect

Suspect’s Background and Life Story

The suspect resides within a 20 mile radius of Delphi.

The suspect is a former resident who grew up in Delphi right around the area of the crime and still knows all of the landowners around there, including Ron Logan, Marvin Sandifur, the Mearses, and Ivan Brumbaugh. The suspect is either Amish (shunned), German Baptist or is strongly associated with one of those communities. He knows the area around the crime scene, including Logan’s land, Deer Creek itself, and the bridge like the back of his hand.

The suspect has a low education level but probably graduated from high school.

The suspect had a very messy divorce with his ex-wife, including violent child custody issues. The suspect did a short stint in prison for badly assaulting his ex-wife.

The suspect has a long record of mostly minor crimes with some jail stints and one short prison stint. All crimes were committed in Indiana. Crimes were mostly repeated drunk driving but also assault and harassment charges. All of his ex-wives have no-contact orders against him, which implies domestic violence on his part in each case.

In terms of crimes for which he has not been caught, he has been accused of petty theft. We also have suspicions that he has been involved in arson, perhaps multiple arsons and that one or more of these arsons has resulted in homicide. We believe he may be a serial killer, and we suspect he may have been involved in another at the very least one other multiple murder in the local area. We are currently investigating his background to look for other possible crimes he may be tied to, especially arsons and homicides.

The suspect is no longer employed and is on disability, but in the past he worked at different jobs, including handyman and electrician.

Suspect – Social Aspects

The suspect has strong, warm feelings towards his two grown children and seems to have a great relationship with them.

The suspect has a new girlfriend about his age who may be a native of the region. She is a kind, sweet, gentle lady who absolutely adores the suspect and nearly worships him as a god. They appear to have a stable, warm, loving relationship. She is apparently completely clueless about his dark side.

Relations with the ex-wife are not known, although both the suspect and the ex-wife showed up for his son’s recent high school graduation. Some say that the suspect has strong hatred for his ex-wife, but this is uncertain.

The suspect has a circle of warm friends with whom he has good relations. These are very masculine, tough, hard, outdoorsy men of about the same age who think he is completely on the up and up. He’s fooling them all.

The suspect can seem quite warm and friendly, “like your best friend.” He is easy to befriend, when befriended seems charming and disarming, and seems increasingly harmless the more you get to know him.

Suspect – Psychological Profile

The subject has Axis 2 Cluster B pathology. The suspect is a psychopath and has narcissism/Narcissistic Personality Disorder/Malignant Narcissism. He has no Axis 1 Disorders. He is not psychotic. In fact, he is very sane, almost too sane, and that is part of how he gets away with his crimes. There are no signs of mood disorder. The suspect appears calm with little or no anxiety issues.

The suspect is strongly heterosexual. Although rage and hatred towards females seems apparent with the crime the suspect committed, these feelings are otherwise not obvious in his life. The suspect sometimes displays hostility to women. A lot of men do this when provoked, but he does it with little provocation, and his reactions are quite extreme, often including vague rape and death threats.

The suspect is very masculine in the manner of many middle-aged men in the area. He is a hard, tough man who uses foul language and has a rough and sometimes menacing way of speaking.

The suspect seems normal, but the following concepts also describe him well: sneaky, devious, unreadable, slick, bad boy, naughty, playful, outlaw, gleam in his eye, and rebellious. He appears to be hiding something or keeping a secret. There is a general feeling of what you see is not what you get.

The suspect is the ultimate chameleon. He is an enigma, puzzling and hard to figure out, an actor who sees life as a series of roles. He does not appear suspicious to most observers. Instead he hides in plain sight and blends right in with society. He is very capable of fooling people, an Academy award-winning actor who sees life is an endless series of roles to be played based on whatever the needs of the given situation may be.

The suspect is capable of fooling people so easily because he is a sneaky, devious, underhanded, conspiring and plotting man. Most of his actions are well plotted and planned, even calculated to the point of being choreographed. The suspect displays little spontaneity other than regular rages.

His IQ is surely within the 84-116 normal range (2/3 of the population) and probably within the 90-110 range (half the population), though he may be towards the lower end. However, the suspect is much more intelligent than he appears and possesses a sheer animal, devious, and cunning intelligence. In terms of this sort of intelligence, he has a genius IQ. He is a very hard man to fool, and he is an expert at reading others.

The suspect has a violent hair-trigger temper which can be set off at any time with little provocation. Although he has committed acts of serious violence in the past, this temper nevertheless generally takes a verbal rather than physical form and consists of menace, threats, stalking, harassment, terrorizing and intimidation.

The suspect takes little or no responsibility for his actions and blames others for everything. He attacks others and then claims to be acting in self-defense.

The suspect is a pathological liar. Truth is mixed in with lies and fabrications to the point where he believes his own lies and even gets caught in them. Reactions when caught in his pathological lying are temper tantrums, rage, ranting, and veiled threats via angry and menacing language.

In his court cases, the suspect engaged in shameless, pathological, defensive lying and blaming of others.

The suspect has the following life themes: You can’t win, They’ve got it in for me, Life is a game, I’m fooling them.

Suspect – Verbal Style

The suspect has a versatile verbal style and can seem sentimental, poetic, moving and even philosophical. He is capable of fooling people into thinking he is a person who cares deeply about life’s small and kind wonders.

Verbal defenses are denial, rage, rants, and especially redirection. Other defenses include an excellent ability at distracting people and directing attention away from what is important. For this, he utilizes red herrings, irrelevancies, redirection, minor details, fussing, wrong turns, wrong directions, wrong way streets, and misdirection.

The suspect is also a storyteller and likes to tell long, rambling, colorful, Mark Twain-style stories that tell it like it is about what seem to be ordinary people and communities but in fact are anything but. He can be entertaining in this role. He turns off some who find him a quasi-literate blowhard, but others find him endearing, as his stories could be seen as charming.

The motivation for this crime is hard to figure out, but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers. Although there is no evidence yet that the Bridge Man has killed other people beyond this crime, he certainly may have. Hence we believe the suspect is a “serial killer type” instead of a serial killer. In that case, the motivation for the crime is that of a sexually sadistic psychopathic serial type killer.

Suspect – Appearance, Lifestyle, Habits, Beliefs and Opinions

Appearance

The suspect has one large tattoo on his upper right front shoulder. We do not know what this is a tattoo of.

Lifestyle

The suspect has some sort of gang ties with the Aryan Brotherhood (AB), possibly as a result of his incarceration. We have photographs of the suspect throwing Aryan Brotherhood gang signs. Nevertheless, we have little evidence that he is a White Supremacist, and on his social media pages, he comes across as an anti-racist, even a coastal liberal variety. He may have only joined the AB for protection in prison.

The suspect appears to be a carefree practical joker who lives a playful, laid back, easy-going lifestyle where most things are jokes, and little is to be taken seriously. He is the life of the party.

Habits

The suspect is a regular drug user. He mostly uses marijuana, which he enjoys a lot.

The suspect was formerly a very heavy drinker, and many problems, especially legal ones, resulted from this. We believe he may now be sober.

Beliefs and  Opinions

The suspect’s philosophical outlook can be summed up as a cynical one that humans are lowly animals who are corrupt at their core and are driven by low, base interests. He accuses LE and small town government people in the local area of being incorrigibly corrupt. His reaction to the picture he paints of Tobacco Road sleaze in the underbelly of Mayberry RFD small town White America is offended, cynical, fatalistic and somewhat disgusted – the good citizen outraged by omnipresent sleazy corruption.

The suspect has a very low opinion of LE in Delphi and the surrounding area, as he claims that they ran him out of town as a habitual drunk driving offender. He has a grudge against local LE.

The suspect’s political beliefs are quite liberal. He comes across as an aging hippie type, unusual for Indiana.

Suspect – Role in the Investigation

The suspect has inserted himself deeply in the investigation to an almost unprecedented degree. He is now one of the most well-known people who are “trying to find the killer.” In part this is being done to try to divert attention away from himself, but another factor seems to be narcissism, possibly even Malignant Narcissism, which means he can’t help himself. He loves the limelight and the sound of his own voice, is something of a publicity hound, likes the idea that he is hiding right under the noses of everyone and getting away with it, and thinks this is all some sort of a joke.

The suspect’s attitude towards the investigation is hard to figure. We believe he is nervous and fearful of being caught but also sees the whole thing as a hilarious game of cat and mouse. He’s fooling LE and all of society, getting away with murder, and hiding right under their noses. He also seems to be playing a game of, “Neener neener. I’m the killer, and you’ll never catch me ha ha!” In this sense he resembles the Zodiac Killer and the BTK Killer.

The suspect sought out LE (FBI) early in the investigation in order to leave a tip. We have a video of him calling in this phone tip.

We believe he did this as part of a plan to frame an innocent man. We believe he was originally going to commit this crime and then lay low, but that changed after he was photographed and recorded on audio. Over the next month we believe he then formulated an elaborate case to try to frame an innocent man, a former workmate who he had had a falling out with. This consisted of a very long and elaborate theory which did not make much sense on examination. Further, the man he attempted to frame did not seem like the type to do such a crime. The suspect also included a number of videos as part of this plan. He then went out on the Internet and tried to promulgate this theory on a number of websites and on Facebook and Youtube. He was fairly successful at this until some people started catching on to his scheme.

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Do Psychologists Make Their Patients Aware of the Diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Sociopathy?

I recently answered this question on Quora.

Do Psychologists Make their Patients Aware of the Diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Sociopathy?

These personality disorders seem to carry a lot of social stigma, therefore are patients made aware of their diagnosis or does the therapist just continue behavioral therapy to treat the symptoms rather than informing them of the diagnosis?

I am not a psychologist. I am a counselor. I only work with one disorder, OCD, and I can quite accurately diagnose that condition, I assure you. Nevertheless, I am not allowed to give out legal DSM diagnoses. However, I can obviously give out my opinion on a diagnosis. I can also tell the person my opinion on what they do not have. For instance, I have gotten many clients with OCD who have been misdiagnosed with some sort of psychosis. I am an expert at telling the two apart. I simply tell them that in my opinion, they are not psychotic. Then I tell them to fire your clinician and go get a new one that will recognize the difference between OCD and psychosis (many clinicians are very poor at telling these apart).

Other than OCD/psychosis, I also have to make differential dx on OCD/sociopathy, violent thoughts, etc., OCD/pedophilia, pedophilic thoughts, etc. and OCD/homosexuality. In a limited number of cases, I told clients that in my opinion, they did not have OCD but instead had some psychotic disorder, or sociopathic traits, or pedophilia, or that they were homosexuals. Most of this differential dx is pretty straightforward.

I have never had any narcissistic clients, God forbid clients with NPD. One thing nice about working with OCD clients is that they are usually very nice people. Not all of them, mind you. But if they are not nice, there is often some other reason, for instance, Borderline Personality Disorder in an OCD client could possibly make them impossibly vicious, cruel, unstable, not to mention extremely crazy, far crazier than any OCD sufferer ever gets.

OCD by its very nature strikes nice people. The fact that they are so nice, meek and kind is actually one of the main reasons that they have the disorder in the first place! For the most part, only nice people get it, and the nicer you are, the more likely you are to get it. I will leave it at that for the moment and give you a chance to think of why that might be. I know why but it goes beyond the scope of this post at the moment.

But in general, I never even give my opinion on other anxiety disorders or on any mood disorders or personality disorders. I only rarely see clients who have psychotic disorders, and the two that I have seen were already diagnosed. I also very rarely see people with personality disorders, and the few that I have seen were all females with Borderline PD diagnoses. I did see one woman for two sessions with obvious Borderline Personality Disorder, but I had not figured it out yet in the first session, and by the second session, I declined to diagnose her. She has already been diagnosed by a psychiatrist from afar anyway. So apparently I am guilty of failing to dx a Borderline PD client.

The session was about her OCD, not her BPD and she was very nice through the whole session. It would have ruined the whole thing if I told her she had BPD, and I doubt if she would have accepted it anyway. At any rate, I am not allowed to give legal dx’s anyway, so it’s apparently proper for me not to diagnose someone!

That only comes up if there is differential diagnosis. I simply say that I not only can I not legally give these out but that I am not qualified to work with any condition other than OCD, which I can actually work very well with. If they want me to work on their depression or whatever, I tell them that I have no expertise or training in that area so I can guarantee nothing and it would be similar to talking to a friend or family member.

If I were able to give out diagnoses, I think I would simply give them out in most every case. Possibly if it might make a suicidal patient go over the edge, I might decline to give one out. But I will disagree with the clinicians below. In my opinion, physicians and other medical professionals in addition to all licensed clinicians should give out whatever diagnosis is appropriate. I feel it is a moral matter. The patient or client is simply owed a diagnosis on the part of the clinician or MD and I feel it would be remiss of the clinician or MD not to tell the patient what is wrong with them, and I mean everything that is wrong with them.

This is just my personal opinion and I believe there no ethical rules on the subject. Also I respect the clinicians below for not giving out diagnoses in cases where it would not be helpful. I simply feel that this is a case were morals or even the categorical imperative trumps pragmatics or even common sense.

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Psychopathology of Serial Murderers

The primary problem with almost all serial killers is simply ASPD, Antisocial Personality Disorder, derived sociopathy or primary psychopathy. It is present in almost 100% of such cases. Most everything else is rather secondary to this primary character disorder, which is the most prominent symptom.

Very rare is the serial killer without this disorder, although there have been a few. I remember a long-distance trucker who turned himself when he walked into a Northern California police station with a woman’s breast in his top shirt pocket. He had camped out in forests while trucking and had picked up women and killed them. He kept the body of one in the truck for three or four days and drove around with it.

Experts said he was quite unusual in that they said he actually felt bad about what he had done. I wonder how bad he really felt though. You could not get me to drive around in a truck with a dead woman in the back for very long. I would go into severe panic pretty fast, would stop the truck, get out and start walking or probably running away. I would not be able to walk around with a woman’s breast in my shirt for long either. I would completely panic almost right away, take the shirt off, throw it on the ground and start running. But then I am a pretty guilty type person with a strong conscience.

Based on that, while I am sure he may have felt some guilt for his killings, the fact that he was able to drive around in a truck with a dead woman in the  back for 3-4 days shows without completely flipping out shows to me that he didn’t feel that much guilt, certainly not on the level that most of us would. And the fact that he could rather calmly walk into a police station with a cut off breast in his pocket without flying into total panic shows to me that he didn’t feel that bad about it. So guilt, even when it is present, is not as strong as in most of us, otherwise they would not have even done such horrible things in the first place.

Sexual sadism is also often present, and I have heard that Sadistic Personality Disorder is very common. Juvenile delinquency, voyeurism, exhibitionism, burglary, prowling, petty thievery, etc. typically precede the serial killings. When the serial killer starts killing, he usually has a fairly long rap sheet of more minor offenses. The murders are best seen as an escalation of a chronic criminal character type.

The ones who kill children are typically though not always preferential or fixated pedophiles. Certainly the ones who kill only children are preferential pedophiles. There is a type of pedophile called a mysoped, which is a sadistic pedophile. They are not very common. I doubt if 5% of pedophiles are like this, but these people are very dangerous. Probably almost all serial child killers are mysopeds and these crimes often have a sexual basis.

95% of rapists are the type that rarely if ever go serial, but the sadistic rapist, composed of no more than 5% of rapists, is very dangerous. Most if not all rapist serial killers are sadistic rapists.

The rage rapist is dangerous, but he generally does not intend to kill his victim although he assault her. If she fights back or gets difficult, he can fly into a rage and beat her so badly that she dies but again he usually does not intend to kill. I doubt if these types go serial much if at all. Serial killers intend to kill; rage rapists do not.

Malignant narcissism, the disorder, believe it or not, of our wonderful President, is also present sometimes. Ted Bundy was a malignant narcissist. Yes, our wonderful President has the same mental illness as Ted Bundy! Comforting thought.

A few have Schizoid Personality Disorder, and some of the more disturbed ones have Borderline Personality Disorder.

Schizotypal, Paranoid and Narcissistic Personality Disorders are rare if ever seen in serial killers. Schizotypals are probably too disorganized and decompensated and just out and out strange to commit such crimes. The serial killer must blend in, and schizotypals do not do that. A few schizotypals have committed mass murders. James Holmes the Aurora Batman Theater Shooter, was a notable case. But note that he was caught immediately.

Paranoid PD is rarely if ever seen. These people tend to be rather retiring and like to hide away from a hostile world. They also do not like to call attention to themselves from a hostile world. They are suspicious and distrustful by nature and this makes it hard for them to blend in well with ordinary society as serial killers often do.

Narcissists are usually too self-centered to kill. While narcissists are often very mean, the disorder is usually well-controlled in that the rage rarely escalates to homicide. There have been a few cases of NPD’s committing mass murder, usually of their families.

The case of Jeffrey MacDonald, the mass murdering physician of Fatal Vision, seems to be such a case. This is a superb true crime case by the way.

Also narcissists think that if they kill, they will get caught, and if they are in prison or jail they will not be able to live this wonderful life they are supposed to be killing. They are “too cool to kill.” Killing would mess up all their wonderful plans to exploit others and hold them up to contempt by millions of people, which the narcissist would have a hard time taking. The narcissist is “too good for prison.” Prison would be such a crushing blow to their self-image that it would very hard to take.

However, malignant narcissists can be very dangerous because this is a combination of psychopathy, sadism, Paranoid PD and Narcissistic PD. When you weaponize NPD with paranoia, sadism and particularly psychopathy, you create a dangerous illness.

Cluster C Personality Disorders like Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder, Self-Defeating Personality Disorder, Dependent Personality Disorder and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder are rarely if ever present in these types. These are PD’s where aggression is mostly displayed passively, and serial killers display aggression actively, not passively.

Mood disorders do not seem to be common. Bipolar Disorder is not common, and serial killers are rarely if ever depressed. They displace guilt and loathing outwards instead of pushing it inside of themselves as depressives do. Depressives are passive, and depression acts as sort of a freezing agent in that it tends to immobilize people by its nature. Men in general tend to either experience less depression than women or mask it with other things such as anger and rage, drinking, drugs, gambling, promiscuity or even workaholism. It is simply not acceptable as a man to be depressed, so depressed men simply channel their depression into other things and say they are not depressed, they are just drunks or workaholics, for instance.

Substance and alcohol abuse issues are quite common with serial killers, but the better ones are more sober, as drinkers and dopers tend to be scattered and unreliable and serial killers must be on the ball  24-7.

Only a few are psychotic. 2% of serial killers are psychotic. Psychotic people can barely organize a trip to the bathroom. How are they going to plot out elaborate and professional serial homicides?

They are motivated by many things, but your typical rape-murders of murders of attractive young women almost always have a sexual component. I would call these serial killings lust murders. The Germans coined the term. Even among the lust-murders, there are a number of different types. Some are motivated by purely sexual desires, others get off specifically on killing and the power gained from it, others are hunter types who get pleasure from the hunt and chase as if they were hunting an animal, which they are of course, but when we refer to hunters, we are always talking about hunters of non-human animals.

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High Narcissism (High Self-Esteem), Solipsism and Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Differential Diagnosis

Trash: NPD is sort of like Attention Deficit Disorder. The terminology is getting tossed around a great deal but I think a vast, vast number of people would fit its criteria.

No, Narcissistic Personality Disorder or NPD has very precise criteria, but clinicians do screw it up. I really doubt if true NPD is overdiagnosed. It is not an extremely common disorder. However, much has been written about how we are becoming more narcissistic as a society. That may be true, but that doesn’t mean we are in an NPD epidemic.

My last therapist told me I was a narcissist – not NPD but narcissistic traits. This took me aback because I am not real fond of these types. They really rub me the wrong way and mostly they are just too much. I have one in my family and he has been known on many occasions to not be a very unpleasant person. There is a real ugly and nasty side to this disorder when it gets bad. They truly do not care about you, are not interested in you at all, and they can be very mean and cruel. Not that they care about that either. Of course they are also utterly clueless.

My best therapist has told me that I am not a narcissist. He said I am self-centered, but that’s more of a case of being all wrapped up in my own stuff to think about others much rather than being selfish. It’s related to my OCD and a lot of OCD’ers are pretty much all wrapped up in their own stuff. This is often confused with narcissism, but it’s not the same thing. It’s more like solipsism. I admit I am pretty solipsistic. It’s not that I don’t care about others. I do, but I am so wrapped up in myself all the time that I do not have a lot of energy left over for others.

He also told me that I have high self esteem. This could also be called high narcissism if you believe that narcissism = self-esteem. In that case, low narcissism would be low self-esteem. However, high narcissism in the sense of high self esteem, though it may seem a bit much, and such folks are often conceited, vain and egotistical, is considered healthy in that generally empathy is fairly well preserved. It is typically considered to be a sign of good mental health. Personally, I think everyone should have high narcissism or high self esteem. Why not? What’s wrong with everyone thinking they are great? How is that bad?

The problem is that people keep going beyond high narcissism all the way into pathological narcissism or NPD. The problem here is that now self esteem has gone so high that as it gets higher and higher, one cares less and less about and has less and less empathy for others. To put it briefly, at some point, the more you love yourself, the less you love others. I am not sure why that is, but perhaps there is only so much love available in a human.

Also at some point, self esteem gets so high that you feel better than or superior to others. This tends to coincide with low empathy. I don’t claim to fully understand narcissism as it is an extremely complex subject. I have been studying it deeply for over a decade now, and it still doesn’t really make complete sense to me, but that’s typical of a lot of mental issues. I’ve also been studying sociopaths for most of my life, and they still don’t make sense to me. I can’t for the life of me see how anyone could be like that. To me they don’t make sense.

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Psychologists Say Trump Is Severely Mentally Ill

Well, we knew that.

The particular illness he has s called Malignant Narcissism. Although it is not in the DSM and has never even been proposed, it has a theoretical long history in psychiatry. Karen Horney did some of the best early descriptive work on it, and Otto Kernberg added to that with a superb monograph in 1984. Unfortunately, most of the writing about this disorder is coming out of the psychoanalytic community, where dubious theory is common.

Think of narcissism as self-esteem. They are the same thing, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Almost all human beings are narcissistic, and narcissism is an essential part of the makeup of any healthy human. However, as with most things, even water, you can have too much of a good thing.

Narcissism, like most things in abnormal psychology (or for that matter, on Earth), exists on a continuum.

At the far left, we have low narcissism, which could be seen as low self-esteem. This is not a good condition, but it is very hard to fix once it gets set in.

Healthy narcissism is the sort of thing that most people have.

High narcissism is better seen as high self-esteem and it is generally regarded as a sign of good mental health. Some people might find these people a bit too much, and some people refer to them as vain, conceited, or self-impressed. At worst, they can be arrogant, condescending, and cocky and they can wear out their welcome after a bit. However, if the downside of the feeling (arrogance, condescension and cockiness) are played down, high self-esteem does not generally get too much in the way of functioning well as a human being. In addition, many of these people retain a lot of empathy for others,  but as they tend towards arrogance and cockiness, they can start to seem unempathetic.

Beyond that, we move into the toxic zone of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which may also exist on a continuum of mild NPD, moderate NPD and serious NPD. If you told the first two that they had NPD, they would laugh in your face and turn it into an attack on you. The latter may well recognize that they have this condition, but they don’t care that they do, or else they like it.

Beyond NPD, we move into the area of Malignant Narcissism. This is a poorly understood construct, but I believe that it does exist and should be in the DSM. This could be seen as narcissism heading off into psychopathy. They are sometimes called Narcissistic Sociopaths.

A lot of people think that narcissism and psychopathy are on the same spectrum , as the sociopath is the ultimate narcissist. In a way he is, but it is in an odd way. To the narcissist, other humans exist, but he just doesn’t care about them.

For the sociopath, in a sense, the sociopath is the only person in the whole world. Not only does the world revolve around them but even worse, the world is them and they are the world. Other humans don’t exist as such. They exist in a way, but they are not really human. Instead, other humans are like the hammers and screwdrivers in your tool chest. Sure, they come in handy sometimes, but they’re not exactly alive. And I can take that hammer or screwdriver and do whatever I want to with it. I can throw it away, set it on fire, throw it in a river, or smash it to pieces. Which is about how a sociopath sees you – as a handy tool that is about as alive as a rock which can be destroyed or tossed aside if he desires to without any more of a thought as you would give to tossing away any nonliving thing.

Here is a good schematic on the Narcissistic continuum:

Low Narcissism (Low Self Esteem) -> Healthy Narcissism -> High Narcissism (High Self Esteem) -> Mild Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) – Moderate NPD – Serious NPD -> Malignant Narcissism -> Various degrees of sociopathy and psychopathy ranging from 20-40 on Hare’s Psychopathy Scale

They kept saying Trump had NPD, but I always wondered about that. I have met a few NPD’s in my life, and I have known at least one quite well. Sure, they are insufferable, and they can be serious jerks, but they didn’t seem to have the same level of crazy as Trump. I kept thinking, “Well, severe NPD is a pretty nasty illness,and they can seem pretty nuts,” but I was unsure about that statement.

And now it all makes sense. The reason he seemed so extreme for an NPD is because he is not an NPD at all.

Instead, he is something considerably worse, a Malignant Narcissist. It is separate disorder from NPD, past NPD on the road to sociopathy. But I do not understand this illness well, and it has never been in the DSM, though it ought to be.

NPD’s can definitely be dangerous, but in general they are too obsessed with their wonderful greatness and their superb lives to commit serious violence and risk imprisonment. They also might not want to hurt their glorious public image.

The one thing you need to know about Malignant Narcissists is that they are dangerous. Now that doesn’t mean that they are ever going to do anything truly bad, and they may go through their whole lives without spending an hour in jail. But the potential for some serious bad behavior all the way up to serial murder is there.

To give you an example of how dangerous a Malignant Narcissist can be, Ted Bundy was a malignant narcissist.

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Case Study: Narcissistic Personality Disorder

One of my best friends has been dealing with an NPD sibling for most of his life. The family used to live near me but have not for a while. But my friend calls me up once in a while to update me on the latest shenanigans.

This NPD has designated my friend Rival #1 for a very long time. This is mixed with extreme envy, which I think is pitiful. Anyone who is wildly envious of my friend must be absolutely pitiful because my friend has had little going for him forever now.

But he still feels very challenged and gets upset if my friend has any sort of serious success. Usually he gets very uncomfortable when he hears about it and then a few months later, he is going around telling everyone that he has achieved a similar success that has equaled or surpassed my friend’s success. For instance,  a couple decades ago, my friend managed to get a Masters Degree. This was a serious threat to the NPD and he was silent about this for a while. A few months later, the NPD was telling everyone that he had a Masters Degree. He cannot allow my friend to have one up on him in any way, shape or form. He’s that crazy insecure.

The NPD can be generous, especially to his family. However, part of this may be that he has some money and he sees the whole rest of his family as “the pitiful losers who brought it on themselves.” He does give them money, but I suspect that part of it may be he can feel superior to them and to play the role of “successful winner helping out the poor pitiful losers.”

The NPD has a child who he cherishes with all the love in the world. Other than that, he has not much concern for anyone else. He asks my friend how he is doing, and 30 seconds later he is looking around the room in utter boredom. It is unbelievably rude, and it is quite a sight to behold. Then he starts talking rapidly, saying something like, “OK, thanks for telling us what is going on with you. Let’s move on now,” usually not in a very nice way.

He has a blustering air about him. He can very nice, and then he can turn cold as ice on a dime. He has been this way for decades. As he has aged, the condition has worsened. He used to care somewhat about my friend’s life and what he was doing at least to some extent.

I saw this person turn on his own mother, the mother of my friend. She is the nicest lady you have ever met, and I have known her forever. But at one point, I believe because he was trying to get money out of her and she would not cooperate, he turned into a complete Iceman, read her the riot act and told her he was writing her out of his life. He acted like he did not care at all that he would ever see his mother again. The coldness and brutal callousness of it was almost breathtaking to behold. His mother was utterly devastated and blamed herself for this episode, which is how he phrased things of course.

He is a master manipulator and has superb social skills except for the NPD stuff which is social retardation, yet of course he has no awareness of the NPD stuff and how retarded it is, so I assume he does his NPD stuff everywhere. He can’t see how it is pathological, so why shut it off?

He can be exceptionally devious and has cheated on his taxes before. He can lie with a straight face and maintain that lie for decades in the face of all evidence. He has no problem with near-pathological lying if that is required. He has no insight, and he’s never done much of anything wrong. It’s all the fault of other people.

He got into a serious brawl at his armed security guard job at a naval base. This ended in a first fight which got him written up. He went so far as the fake his lab work by adding blood to his body fluids in order to claim that the man he fought with had severely injured him.

As far as manipulation goes, he is a master par excellence. His manipulations are so sophisticated and convoluted that it seems he is playing 9th Dimensional Chess. The manipulated persons are often at a loss to what the NPD is doing when he is manipulating them. They simply think he is utterly baffling. I have to think about a bit, but after a while, I can take apart the Rube Goldbergian manipulation contraption and figure out exactly what he is trying to do with whatever game he is playing. I tell the manipulated person what I think the NPD is trying to do with them via the this mystifyingly confusing manipulation. It is not easy to figure out his brilliant manipulations though, and it seems like you almost have to run them through a supercomputer to figure them out. But I have him pretty well figured out.

In the family, he was the middle child, and he spent much of his childhood bitching about how the middle child is screwed because the oldest child is the leader who gets all the glory, the youngest one is the baby who gets out of all work, and the middle child never gets any recognition for anything. He developed extreme envy of my friend to the point of taking the opposite position to his on everything. If my friend liked the home baseball team, he would suddenly become a fan of the hometeam’s worst rival for no reason other than spiting the sibling.

He spent his whole life in exaggerated hypermasculinity developed in part as opposition to my friend who he felt was effeminate. My friend is simply a “soft” man who has a feminine side but is not even 1% effeminate. The NPD is a serious homophobe who baited my friend for being gay for many years. My friend is not even 1% gay. He also accused all of my friend’s friends of being gay and said my friend was having gay sex with all of his friends. Instead of being gay, my friend is actually the opposite, one of the more notorious womanizers that I have known. As a young man he was very good-looking. Furthermore the NPD has some mild homosexual leanings of his own which may be related to the homophobia.

He stole many of my friend’s friends away. My friend seemed to make friends a lot easier than the NPD did and was rather more popular. So he poached my friend’s friends and took a number of the rival’s friends away like this. This was insulting to my friend because the implication was that my friend’s friends abandoned my friend for the NPD on the notion that my friend was inferior and the NPD was superior.

The NPD can definitely be violent. As a child, he was a bully who loved to torment and beat up his siblings, especially a younger one. He blamed the sibling he beat up for all of these assaults. In adolescence and adulthood, he displayed violence in some cases, mostly within the family. He is very strong and can hurt with one swing. He seemed to delight in hitting people, and every time he did it you got the impression that he had been saving up months waiting for this cherished moment.

As a security guard, the NPD got to roust people a lot, and he beat people up once in a while, something he very much enjoyed. Bottom line he likes to beat people up. For a while he worked as a prison guard, and I suppose he got to beat people up there too. He derives so much pleasure from beating people up you get the impression that it is one of the peak experiences of his life when he gets to do this. Of course he tried to be a police officer but failed the exams, possibly due to failing lie detector tests about drug use and especially dealing.

I heard that one time the NPD actually beat a man in the head with a baseball bat. This is a charge that he denies to this day, and he will deny it on his deathbed. In fact, he blames the man he assaulted with the bat for the attack, stating that the victim “attacked” the NPD, and the NPD was forced to “fight back.” That is not what happened. It was a straight-up assault.

Around college time, he spent most of his time complaining that his friends’ parents paid them to go to fancy colleges while his parents could only afford to send him to the local college, where he had to live at home.

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The Definition of “Insufferable”

Insufferable: having or showing unbearable arrogance or conceit.

“An insufferable bully.”

“His win made him insufferable.”

Synonyms: conceited, arrogant, boastful, cocky, cocksure, full of oneself, self-important, swaggering; vain, puffed up, self-satisfied, self-congratulatory, smug.

Informal: big-headed, too big for one’s britches, too big for one’s boots.

Literary: vainglorious

Being insufferable is a bad thing. It’s generally indicative of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Yes, some people will like you, but so many more will hate you and anyway, there is no good reason to act this way in the first place. It is absolutely pathological behavior. The insufferable person/narcissist is completely selfish. It’s all about them, all the time. The Me Show is on all day, every day and that’s the only channel. Some of them can be giving, especially to their families, but more often than not you will find that these people cannot be called giving in any way. You’re either giving or taking in life, as life is reciprocal. The insufferable person/narcissist is a taker, not a giver. He takes from most people and gives little if anything in return. Somehow he thinks this is a perfectly fine way to walk through life.

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