Category Archives: Mood Disorders

Psychological Effects of Their Work on Slaughterhouse Workers

Good comment from Kim, one of our excellent commenters. It’s not related to the murder case, but it shows you Delphi may not be the idyllic small Indiana town that everyone thinks it is. There is a very high percentage of RSO’s for such a small town, apparently related to the slaughterhouse in town. Slaughterhouse employees in turn develop psychological effects that would be at odds with the image of a peaceful and easy-going small town.

So beneath the cozy image, there does seem to be a very dark undercurrent running under the town of Delphi.

Kim: This is an article cited from another site about Registered Sex Offenders (RSO’s) and meat-packing plants. It may not be relevant to the crime, but it paints a grittier picture of the Delphi area.

Originally Posted by Blighted Star

No, you read right the first time. Those 54 RSO’s are are all linked to the very small town of Delphi, population 3,000. Check the other “known addresses” on most of them & you’ll see “Indiana Packers Co-op” (or something like it) on over 40 out of the 54 – because the abattoir up the road from the high bridge seems to have a hiring program for RSO’s. They’ve got men designated “sexually violent offenders” working on their kill floor & it doesn’t seem to occur to them that in that particular field of employment, it’s not necessarily a good thing to hire people who might be enjoying their work.

Holy crap!

This excerpt is taken from:

Killing for a Living: Psychological and Physiological Effects of Alienation of Food Production on Slaughterhouse Workers

By Anna Dorovskikh University of Colorado at Boulder…xt=honr_theses

In Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress: The Psychological Consequences of Killing, the study by Rachel M. MacNair describes Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress as a from of post-traumatic stress disorder with symptoms of drug and alcohol abuse, panic, depression, paranoia, dissociation, anxiety, and depression stemming from the act of killing.

One study found that slaughterhouse workers, especially those responsible for the direct delivery of the act of killing and participating in the process of slaughter on a daily basis, may be susceptible to PITS as form of PTSD (Dillard, 2008).

One of the symptoms of PITS is having recurring dreams of violent acts, and there are several reports of workers being taken to the mental hospital for treatment of severe cases (Dillard, 2008). Certain jobs like having the responsibility to be the first to kill the animal may have stronger effects on the worker than other jobs. Oftentimes substance abuse of drugs such as methamphetamine (Schlosser, 2002) and alcohol is very common amongst slaughter employees as a coping mechanisms of the emotional toll (Dillard, 2008).

A former hog-sticker (worker who stabs hogs to bleed to death) said, “A lot of the slaughterhouse hog killers have problems with alcohol. They have to drink, they have no other way of dealing with killing live, kicking animals all day long. If you stop and think about it, you’re killing several thousand beings a day” (Dillard, p. 397, 2008).

Another employee explains that slaughter workers can’t care about animals they’re killing.

“The worst thing, even worse than the physical danger, is the emotional toll of the job. If you work in that stick pit for any period of time, you develop an attitude that lets you kill things but doesn’t let you care. You may look a hog in the eye that’s walking around down in the blood pit with you, and think, God, that really isn’t a bad-looking animal. You may want to pet it. Pigs down on the kill floor have come up and nuzzled me like a puppy. Two minutes later I had to kill them by beating beat them to death with a pipe.

Use of a pipe to kill hogs came up quite a few times reading through literature and general websites. Another employee interviewed said: “It’s called `piping.’ All the drivers use pipes to kill hogs that can’t go through the chutes. Or if you get a hog that refuses to go in the chutes and is stopping production, you beat him to death. Then push him off to the side and hang him up later” (Eisnitz, p. 53, 2009).

Some employees even report killing animals for fun without feeling any remorse, suggesting that they are suffering psychological damage to the point of developing abnormal cruelty. Mental changes of this sort would generate concern amongst the general population (Dillard, 2008).

Several studies on empathy amongst farmers in animal agriculture show that slaughterhouse workers and farmers exhibit lower levels of empathy towards animals than the general population. Desensitization was not an uncommon factor amongst the employees of this sector (Dillard, 2008).

A study done on butchers working in the slaughterhouse and retail meatpacking business revealed that as butchers work in a negative environment almost every single day, they displayed the highest levels of somatization and anger hostility among the general occupation of butchery. Once factors like age and education were accounted for, this study of 82 male butchers found higher rates of work accidents, injuries, physical disorders, use of alcohol and drugs, as well as a higher employee turnover (Emhan et al. 2012).

Usually fully aware of the kills that go on every single day, the workers either become very distressed and leave the job or they become numb and begin to display signs of apathy. Some even begin to enjoy the infliction of pain (Helle 2012). Some become less empathetic under conditions of stress as well. See this example:

“This is kind of hard to talk about. You’re under all this stress, all this pressure. And it really sounds mean, but I’ve taken prods and stuck them in their (hogs’) eyes and held them there.” (Eisnitz, p. 53, 2009).

Lower empathy in slaughterhouse workers may be responsible for higher crime rates in neighborhoods where such facilities are located including homicides carried out in a manner of animal slaughtering practices (Dillard, 2008). Amy Fitzgerald, a sociologist investigating the effects of slaughterhouses on communities tested a “Sinclair effect,” a theory Upton Sinclair proposed more than 100 years ago, noting that slaughterhouses had negative effects on workers and communities through increases in crime and unemployment rates.


Filed under Agricutlure, Alcohol, Animals, Anxiety Disorders, Crime, Depressants, Depression, Domestic, Intoxicants, Labor, Mental Illness, Midwest, Mood Disorders, Pigs, Psychology, Psychopathology, Regional, Serial Killers, Social Problems, Sociology, Speed, Stimulants, USA

Resolved: Transgenderism Is a Mental Illness

RL: I work in mental health, and I have to diagnose people a lot, or at least offer my opinion of a diagnosis as I cannot give out legal DSM diagnoses . I even have to do differential diagnosis constantly where I have to figure out which of two diagnoses a person has. Believe me, these cases can be very confusing.

Magneto: In your opinion, is being transgender a mental illness? I mean, I am aware of the statistics that gays/trans people have a far higher suicide rate than heterosexuals, which would seem to suggest that it is a mental disorder.

But it’s kind of hard to think trans are mentally ill when you are looking at a fucking sexy ass Asian ladyboy who is far hotter than any real woman you’ve ever been with. To be honest, I hope trans continues to become more mainstream and more men do the transition into females. Fine with me, more food to choose from, in my opinion.

Ha ha. So, more pussy, even if it’s fake pussy, eh? I’m not sure I am down with that.


Is transgenderism a mental illness. Of course it is. In most cases anyway. And the rate has gone up 600X since the 1970’s. If it is some actual biological condition in the brain like sexual orientation, one would not expect the rate to skyrocket like that.

Rates of biological conditions don’t change much. The rate of homosexuality has probably been 3% for a very long time. Homosexuality appears to be an incurable biological condition that gets wired up in their brains somehow. It is a developmental disorder like left-handedness and a number of other things. Something goes wrong hormonally in utero, and the result is male or in some cases female homosexuality. As it is a developmental disorder, would you expect the rates of left-handedness to go up 600X? Real biological conditions just don’t work like that. Why would the hormonal aberrations that cause homosexuality have gone up 600X? They wouldn’t. They would stay at some consistent rate that is close the the rate of things going wrong in utero.

Hence except in a few cases, transgenderism is not a biological disorder. I really feel for these boys who feel like girls from age 2 or whatever. I am willing to consider a biological disorder there.

Yet a biological disorder can also be a mental illness. Schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder and even OCD look like biological disorders, and all are also mental illnesses.

These seems to be a “fad” disorder that a lot of folks are developing on their own in a similar way to how these therapists create mental illness in previously healthy girls who got molested. It’s a cool way of going crazy.

Studies in China show that ~3% of the population feels as if they are the opposite sex. So if we let this thing explode, we could end up with a 3% tranny population. In the past, these people became homosexuals (in itself a sort of transgenderism) or perhaps feminine men and masculine women.

When I was growing up in the 1970’s, we had this idea that all men and women have masculine and feminine components, even heterosexual ones. Just because a man has a feminine side or a woman a masculine one doesn’t mean he is not a man and she is not a woman, nor does it mean that either one is a homosexual.

I have a pretty strong feminine side myself, as many people used to think I was gay or bi. I’m not a Man’s Man at all. I’m not macho enough for that. I’m a Ladies’ Man who prefers the company of women. Most Ladies’ Men are not as masculine as Man’s Men.

I worry that if I were growing up today, I might have been sucked into this nonsense and decided that I was a tranny and I was really a woman or something insane like that.

If a man thinks he is a woman or a woman thinks she is a man, that is known as a delusion. It’s just not true. So they’re psychotic in a sense. And the treatment (sex change operation) doesn’t appear to make them any mentally healthier. So why do it? If the treatment doesn’t help the person, we stop doing it.

13% of people who have sex changes actually re-transition. So men who turn into women turn back into men, and women who think they are men turn back into women. If it was a real condition, one would not expect to see that. Homosexuals don’t suddenly decide to be straight. Left-handed people don’t decide to be right-handed one day. Transgenderism in childhood is highly transitory. 73% of transgender children are cured by adulthood. That is, by the time they are 18, they have abandoned the idea that they are the opposite sex. Biological conditions do not have such high spontaneous cure rates.

There have been quite a few spontaneous cures of transgenderism even in adulthood. There are a number of cases where a man was in therapy for transgenderism, and he showed up for therapy one day and announced that he’s no longer transgender. He’s really a man and realizes that and feels like one now. Then he gets up and walks out of the office. Just like that.


Filed under Anxiety Disorders, Asia, Biology, China, Gender Studies, Girls, Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Mental Illness, Mood Disorders, OCD, Psychology, Psychopathology, Psychotherapy, Psychotic Disorders, Regional, Schizophrenia, Science, Sex, Social Problems, Sociology

Why Are Straight Men Generally More Depressed and Repressed Than Gay Men?

From Quora.

My answer: 

They aren’t. Repeated studies done over many years have shown that gay men have much higher rates of depression than straight men. And anxiety for that matter. It’s not even debatable. Now why this is, is not known.

Repressed? Well gay male culture is pretty wild, and sex is a lot easier to come by. Gay men have told me that getting sex in gay culture is as easy as filling up your gas tank.

Straight men have to deal with the inhibitions of women, so that may well make us more inhibited. It’s just not so easy to get sex from women if you are a straight man. It’s much easier to obtain sex of you are a gay man, which is why gay men statistically have far more partners than straight men.

Straight men have to be careful about everything we say and do. Talk to the wrong woman? Whoops, you’re a creep. Looking at that woman over there? Call the cops, that’s creepy! And that’s not to mention anything remotely resembling a come-on, where people’s reaction often seems like you set off a grenade in the room. And on and on forever and ever.

Straight society is full of cockblocking idiots of both sexes. Married men are some of the worst cockblockers of all. A lot of young married men seem to have no other goal in life but to cockblock all the single men in sight. Modern feminism is extremely puritanical, and the idiotic specter of “sexual harassment” looms over much if not all straight interaction in public and even in private. When I go out in public, it often seems like the whole world is deliberately cockblocking me. White people are by far the worst cockblockers of them all, vastly worse than Blacks or Hispanics.

Gay culture is much more Wild West when it comes to sex, and they do not have to deal with a lot of the anti-sexual nonsense that women put out as the gatekeepers of sex.

Still, a lot of straight people are really opening up about sex and having lots of sex nowadays, so we are less repressed that we used to be. But most straight men would probably be uncomfortable in orgies and maybe even threeways. On the other hand, the number of gay men who have gone to such things as orgies or have threeways is extremely high. Group sex is definitely a common aspect of modern gay life.

What with the orgies, threeways, very high partner counts and general anti-Puritanical atmosphere of gay culture, it should be no surprise that gay men are more loosened up about sex than we are.


Filed under Culture, Depression, Feminism, Gender Studies, Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Man World, Mental Illness, Mood Disorders, Psychology, Psychopathology, Race/Ethnicity, Sex, Whites

Cultural Left Self-Description Found on the Net

Found on the Net:

I’m an autistic, depressed, histrionic and narcissistic transmisogyny-affected nonbinary person of color.

I am serious. People are actually running around saying things like this? Incredible. It’s getting to where this sort of self-description is almost normal.

Now I do not mind mentally ill people talking about their issues, but you usually do not announce such things to everyone in the room. I have a mental disorder myself, and I even take meds for it, but almost no one knows about it because I never tell anyone. Why? Because when I do, I usually get a negative reaction.

And why would someone announce that they had personality disorders? Unfortunately, Axis 2 types and their fellow travelers such as High-Conflict Women are everywhere, especially nowadays, but they generally don’t go around telling people about it. In particular, chaotic and dramatic Cluster B types like this person almost always deny that they have the problem, and of course they never want to fix it.

And why do people go around announcing that they are depressed? What’s the point of that? I’ve experienced it myself, but depression used to be something you were ashamed of. In fact, mild depressives typically deny being depressed, often angrily. Are there that many chronic, treatment resistant depressives out there that “Depressed” becomes part of your actual identity? That’s not healthy.

I work in mental health. Almost all of the people I work with have anxiety disorders and quite a few are also depressed. I advise people to acknowledge that they have a mental disorder.

On the other hand, I do not think that people should become their disorder.



Filed under Cultural Marxists, Depression, Mental Illness, Mood Disorders, Personality Disorders, Psychology, Psychopathology

On Irritable People

It’s no secret that depressives often cover up their depression with other things. The depression is usually covered up by anger, but the person doing this usually denies that they are even angry! They say they are “tired” or that you are annoying them. They’re fine. It’s you that is pissing them off. If only you will go away, then they will be fine.

But there is no way to get along with a person like this. The irritable person is using you as their punching bag. There’s no way to act good enough so they quit beating you up. And if you go away, they will just go find someone else to beat up on.

It is as if these people are giant insects with foot-long antennae twitching out at the world. These antennae are scouring the world looking for things to get pissed off about. Predictably, they find them everywhere because the world is full of things to get mad about if you are so inclined. If this person were in a good mood, most of these things would not even bother them, but they can’t see that. Because they are irritable, all this stuff they would have waved off before is now setting them off like volcanoes.

The truth is that in most cases there are no inherently irritating or infuriating things in the world.

These things are simply objects or scenarios that have little particular meaning. The irritable person experiences these things as irritating due to their internal irritable nature. So most of these things are only irritable such that the irritable person is making them be annoying. Most of these things lack real labels. They are whatever people experience them to be. The irritable person is sort of putting “tags” labeled “irritating” on these things, but many of these things most other folks would find either not bothersome, or something to be ignored, or even pleasant.

The irritable person is certain that his anger is coming from outside of him. But it’s usually not. Usually it is coming from inside of the irritable person himself who is projecting their anger out at the world onto other objects which then reflect back to the angry person like a mirror does.

But don’t ever tell an angry person that their anger is from inside them and that there’s nothing wrong with the world, and instead there is something wrong with them. They will explode with rage. Well, how did you think they would act? Anger is a defense after all.


Filed under Depression, Mental Illness, Mood Disorders, Psychology, Psychopathology

Is There Such a Thing as Very High IQ Behavior?

Rowlii writes:

Thanks for your answer. Is there a “High IQ” behaviour?

Sort of, but not really. My mother and and all of my siblings have very high IQ’s (140+), and we are all quite different. However, three of us are quite shy and are probably introverts. The other one is more introverted than he lets on.

It is hard for me to answer this question because I have not known the IQ’s of most of the people I have known in my life. I know the IQ’s of my family members, but I never learned the IQ’s of many of my friends or even the vast majority of my girlfriends. This is not to mention the more casual acquaintances I have run into. So I have only really known maybe ~13 people in my whole life who had very high IQ’s. Obviously I have run into a lot more high IQ people than that, but in the course of life, you usually never learn the IQ’s of most of the people you meet and hang out with.

Of those 13 people, they were sometimes a bit different from each other. I wish I could say that there was something stringing them together, but I cannot.

It also depends on what you mean by high IQ. Very high IQ is usually defined as 140+ (top 1%). High IQ might be defined as 130+ (top 3.5%) or maybe even lower. It depends on where you set the bar.

Some of us are a lot more extroverted than others. I am shocked at how extroverted many very high IQ women are. Very high IQ men tend not to be so extroverted, but some of them are quite capable extroverts. Many seem quite normal, even shockingly normal. One of the sanest men I have ever met had an IQ of 160. He is also the highest IQ person that I have ever known. On the other hand, there also seems to be a tendency towards mental illness, in particular depression and manic depression. Somehow there is a connection between very high IQ and mood disorders.

I do not know any very high IQ people who have Aspergers. This is largely a myth. We are a lot better at socializing than you might think. I don’t know any very high IQ people who are social retards. I know some who are assholes, but social retards, no. Social skills and figuring your way around human interaction is an intellectual skill, and it can be learned. Most of the very high IQ people I have known seem to have learned that skill quite well.

There are a lot of questions along these lines on Quora under the IQ topic, and a lot of very high IQ people are answering those questions. The questions are along the lines of “What is it like to have an IQ of 140/150?”, etc. Then a lot of very high IQ people answer the questions. People who are interested in the topic may want to head over there are read what those people say. There are of very smart, interesting, wise and eloquent people writing over there, and you can learn quite a few things from the handy to the esoteric.

One of the answers that you see over and over is that very high IQ people say they see patterns everywhere. Many say that they are always observing all the time and looking for underlying patterns in everything they see and everywhere they go. They’re always trying to put it all together, see the big picture, or view the world in a holistic way.

To answer a question in a holistic way is to see things in a larger pattern of the whole question, so to speak, taking into account everything. It’s another way of saying seeing the whole picture. We try not see the trees and miss the forest, if you catch my drift. Sure, we look at individual trees and groups of trees and even try to figure out what they mean or relationships between them, but at the end of the day, we still want to put all of those individual trees together into some sort of a forest.

I would say that very high IQ people are a lot smarter than you think they are. You might think that they are out to lunch, but most of them are very much on the ball. I had a girlfriend with an IQ of 140, and she immediately got all of my jokes and funny little comments. It was like instantly, bam! Also I did not have to explain many things to her. She just got most things BOOM like that as fast as you could blink your eyes.

I got to know a woman with a 156 IQ recently, and she was fast as lightning. She understood everything you said and was also very curious. If she didn’t understand anything you were saying, she would ask you to explain it. Then I would explain it to her and even if it was something that she did not know much about, and when I explained it to her, she caught on very fast.

There was none of this, “I don’t know what you are talking about.” One thing that amazed me about her was how I could be talking about a subject that she obviously knew little about, and she would ask me to explain the concept. And she would pick up this previously unknown concept very quickly, faster than almost anyone I have met. When I was talking with her it was just BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM like that.

I like to play games with speech and toss in esoteric comments, analogies, references to movies, books, songs, famous people and events, sayings, famous lines and riddles. A lot of these might be odd little puns of worldplay. If you have ever read James Joyce, I am doing something like that, just playing games with language and also with knowledge. A lot of the time people don’t have the faintest idea what I am doing, so I try not to do this too much, but when I am on the ball, I can do this like crazy.

Most people think I am insane or very weird but some smart people can catch all the little jokes and references. I am not crazy at all. I am talking like that on purpose.

Sometimes I speak on multiple levels. I might say something easily understandable to anyone, but if you listen closely I am also throwing in things on a higher level so the message really has two levels, a simple lower level with the basic meaning and a higher level where I am often playing games.

I will throw in some line out of a book, a reference to an actor or a band or this or that in there. Most people don’t get the weird little word games, but it doesn’t matter because there is a basic message on the lower level in there that can be easily read and comprehended and the word games don’t mean anything anyway as I am just playing games with language and knowledge. It all depends on which levels you want to read the speech on.

Some very high IQ people are very fast. I have been told that I am fast too. Some people say that sometimes I have these funny little micro-movements around my face, mostly around my eyes but sometimes in my mouth too. One  person called them micro-emotions or micro-reactions. They say it doesn’t really look nervous but instead it almost looks there’s a fast computer in back of my face and all those little movements are the thing processing data.

A lot of the time I answer a question almost as soon as it has been asked. Sometimes I even start to answer it or I start nodding my head halfway through the sentence because I already know what the person is going to say in the rest of the sentence. Sometimes I finish people’s sentences for them.

Nothing much gets past me. I hear everything you say, and I am probably watching everything you do. I’m usually not confused. Life is not very confusing. This can work well for social skills because if you get that supercomputer working socially, you can respond to all of the little subtle changes in the conversation as it slowly changes as you are engaging in it.

Conversations are changing all the time, and you are supposed to be reacting to most everything the other person is saying or doing. They make a little movement, and you try to interpret and make some movement back. You respond emotionally to their remarks and even to their little micro-emotional changes. In a good, on the ball conservation there might be maybe 10 or more reactions and counter-reactions in a minute.

I am not sure if this is really a good thing because instead of seeing me as some with-it super smart social genius or saying,”Wow look at that guy, he seems like he has a Cray computer in back of his face – he’s so fast,” instead most people seem to think that I am weird. I am not sure why that is. Sometimes I think they are on a different wavelength than I am. I think they just don’t get it. They don’t get me.

A lot of very high IQ people will tell you that they feel that they are misunderstood. People misjudge them, misunderstand what they are saying, and either don’t understand them or read their comments in a completely different way than how they were intended. They read funny and sometimes false motives into our speech and behaviors that we did not intend to put out. This is because they are not understanding what we are trying to convey with our speech and behaviors. Once again, I think most people are just on some other wavelength than people like me and that’s why they seem to misunderstand us so much.

Very high IQ people will often say that they are good at making decisions and that they tend to make intelligent decisions because they weigh all of the possible answers to the question very carefully. On the other hand, I know some very high IQ people who live their lives idiotically and make the stupidest decisions. But that’s not because they are stupid, that’s more because of personality issues, in particularly massive psychological defenses that get in the way of rational behavior.

Just because you have a very high IQ is not guarantee against being crazy or building crazy, disordered and excessive defense systems that lead to characterological problems. Most of the poor life decisions I see very high IQ people making are not due to doing dumb things but instead there is some mental disorder going on there that is messing up their behavior.  Very high IQ people can definitely have characterological problems where their defensive structures have gotten so bizarre and excessive that they start to cause a lot of crazy and irrational behaviors.

I am not sure about people from 130-139 (high IQ or near genius), but I think they function better than a lot of us very high IQ types. With us very high IQ types, our IQ’s are so high that they are starting to get in the way of our lives, and they might even be making us strange or mentally disordered. The high IQ type is very, very smart, but an IQ in the 130’s is not going to have that correlation with mental illness and weirdness that you start seeing in some people above 140.

I have seen people in the 130’s who were very smart, and they were also superb social actors, very extroverted, etc. I spent a lot of time with two men. One had an IQ of 139, and another had a 135 IQ. It would be quite hard to say that I was smarter than either of them, and they were both whip-fast sharp, especially the 139 IQ guy, who is a relative. He is just BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM. He has also been an alcoholic for decades which has wrecked his life, but he is still whip-fast smart despite the decades of booze.

Once you get into the high IQ range (130-150), I don’t see a lot of differences between me and someone with an IQ of say 129-139. They seem like they are about as smart as I am. Past a certain point, I do not think the scores mean all that much. You end up with really smart people and there’s probably not a lot of observable difference between really smart people even if one is smarter than the other. You’re probably not going to be able to see how the higher IQ person is smarter because the differences all seem to wash out at high IQ levels.

Frankly I do not think that most of you want to be as smart as I am. Yes, there is huge upside, but there is also a massive downside at least for me. The downside is probably avoidable, but you still might get it. Sometimes I think it is better not to be this smart. I am so smart that it almost gets in the way of life, and most of you might not want to live like that.


Filed under Intelligence, Mental Illness, Mood Disorders, Personality, Psychology, Psychopathology

IQ and Income: IQ Is Not Destiny

Rowlii writes: How can you be broke if there is a correlation between IQ and income? Do you count on lower IQ (like me) to finance your blog?

Come to France! The welfare state will take care of you.

More seriously, I love your blog.

I know a number of very high genius IQ people (over 140) who have no money at all and are low income if not in poverty. IQ is not everything, and even a genius IQ without EQ or emotional stability is almost worthless.

That said, a number of the very high IQ people I know are on disability. Two are on disability for mental illness, one has mental illness listed as one of the things wrong with him, and two more are on disability for a physical reason. I know another very high IQ person who has mental illness but is not on disability. 75% of the mental illnesses are mood disorders. Two have been hospitalized a number of times, and one has been hospitalized a few times.

One is chronically psychotic or nearly psychotic and is on anti-psychotic meds, and the other has been psychotic on occasion. Another has such profound Major Depression that they are barely function. One has listed an anxiety disorder as part of their disability. 2/3% are on psychiatric drugs, and the rest need to be but won’t take the pills. Only one of these people is even partly employed, and he works very part-time under the table. The highest income is $25,000/yr from disability and renting a couple of rooms in a house they own.

A friend of mine from high school has a genius IQ (the same score I have), and to my knowledge, he has never made any money. Last I heard he was living in Santa Cruz with some alcoholic older woman. He sent me a letter a while back asking for money because his car had broken down and he needed $2,500 to fix it. He was a heavy drug user and dealer for quite a few years, but in recent years, it was just pot. He had been arrested for dealing drugs.

He also had a tendency to go on wild alcoholic benders in which he sometimes did insane things. He sometimes got hospitalized when he went on these benders. He also acted very strange for many years. People said it was the drugs, but I knew him back in 7th grade before he had taken any drugs and he was actually even weirder then. He’d always been weird. He has all sorts of funny mannerisms and strange ways of talking.

My Mom has a genius IQ (150), and she spent her life as a housewife. She did hold a number of jobs later in life while still married. One of those was a paralegal, but she wasn’t very happy there. In recent years, she has worked at jobs like tax preparer and secretary at a community college.

I know someone with a near genius IQ (139) who has worked at menial jobs their whole life and never made much money. He was also an alcoholic for many years. He had something wrong with his leg due to the smoking and drinking but he refused to go to the doctor for whatever reason. It got much worse and the leg had to be amputated halfway up. This person has been an alcoholic for decades and they have also suffered from Major Depression for 35 years which was never treated or treated only with alcohol.

I recently met a woman with an IQ of 156. She was mostly a stay at home Mom of a seven year old girl. She lived off her husband’s income. For employment, she was trying to get a publishing business off the ground, but she wasn’t getting anywhere.

There are some people I have known who were very smart, but if I don’t know their IQ scores, I can’t list them. It’s not ok to discuss IQ pretty much ever in our society, so I do not know the IQ scores.

I do know a few people with genius IQ’s who have been fairly successful in life. Two out of three were females, and oddly enough, all had IQ’s of 143. One had made money in the stock market. Another worked for some oil company in Texas, but I am not sure what she did there. the man went to law school and become an attorney. Last I heard he was into real estate development, buying and selling mini shopping malls or whatever you call them.

Come to think of it, most of the very high or genius IQ people I have known in life have hardly been successful at all, and the only three I know who were even somewhat successful are listed above. Not including the near-genius, nine listed above or 75% have made little money in life, and five or 42% are on disability. Four out of 12 or 1/3 have serious mental illnesses. Five or 42% are on psychiatric meds, and two more or 16% need to be. That leaves us with 58% who are either on psychiatric drugs or need to be. 71% of the psychiatric conditions were mood disorders. Three or 25% have been hospitalized for psychiatric conditions. Only three or 25% have even been moderately successful, and only one or 8% could be thought of as quite successful.


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Aggression and Violence in Mental Disorders: Depression

The notion that depression is anger turned inwards has a lot of truth. But anxiety can also be seen this way as fear could be seen as aggression energy directed inwards or perhaps just energy directed inwards period. This does not mean that all anxiety disorder folks are seething with rage; actually the opposite is true. It is more that the energy the extroverts push out, at times with anger, is exactly the same energy that introverts push in,often as fear and anxiety but also as guilt and even depression.

Depression often appears like anger turned inwards as guilt and self-reproach, and that is often exactly what it is. Spend some time  around depressives if you don’t believe. It’s all their fault, and they’re no good. Sadly this is often the reason that they feel they need to die. In a word, the depressive feels that he has sinned, and he is punishing himself for that.

Depressives are not typically aggressive or violent, although some are. That is because depression often turns so much energy inwards that there is nothing left to put out into the world. In order to shoot up a mall, you need to get out of bed first, not to mention go out and buy a gun and ammo. Many depressives can’t even do that first step – they can’t even get out of bed. If they can’t get out of bed, how can they shoot up the mall? Depression is often felt as serious lack of interest in motivation.

In order to shoot up that mall, you have to be very motivated to do probably the craziest and most dangerous thing you have ever done in your life, but you also must care enough to passionately hate those mallgoers enough to kill them. Most depressives don’t even have the energy or motivation to hate much of anyone. That is why when a nasty or unpleasant person becomes depressed, they often become much nicer. I know narcissists who are only nice when they are depressed and nasty depressives who are only nice when they become much more ill. You almost want someone like that to get worse so they can better to be around.

I have been around depressives who had a hard time even talking. They would go to say something and open their mouths and say, “Uhhhhhh…” Then you would get a long silence, after which they finally might say something. They literally do not have enough energy or motivation to even talk. A depressive once told me that even getting out of bed in the morning seemed like climbing Mount Everest, a task too difficult and strenuous to even be undertaken.

However, there are angry depressives. Sometimes these people just look angry, mean and nasty, and it can be quite hard to figure out that they are actually depressed. One clue is that they are angry, miserable, wretched and clearly not having any fun. People who are never happy and appear miserable and wretched may well be depressed even if they are only angry.

My father did this a lot. I know other people who do it, and I sometimes confront them and tell them that they are obviously depressed.

Angry depressives do not wish to be told that they are depressed for some unknown reason. Perhaps it does not feel  like depression. Perhaps they have too much pride to be depressed, so they turn depression outwards into anger. And often they have convinced themselves that all of the problems of the world are other people’s fault. Thus it seems to be an insult when you suggest that they are simply depressed, which implies that their misery is not everyone else’s fault after all.

Angry depressives often drink or use drugs to cover up their depression. This is especially common in men, who frequently mask their depression with alcohol, drugs or anger.

Angry depressives are indeed dangerous to themselves and also to others. Depression doubles the homicide risk in males. Obviously it dramatically elevates the suicide risk.

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Suicide Thoughts in SSRI’s and Antidepressants in General

Johnny Caustic writes:

Always with these mass shootings, the first question should be whether he was taking SSRIs, antipsychotics, or other drugs that cause suicidal ideation in a substantial minority of takers. I suspect that the vast majority of mass shootings in America, probably around 95%, are caused by pharmaceuticals. (Which is why mass shootings were extremely rare before the pharmaceuticals were invented and marketed.)

I have been taking those drugs off and on for 25 years now, and I am still here. On the other hand, at the very beginning, I got bumped up to a really high dose on Prozac. Not only did it not effect my symptoms at all, but I got suicide thoughts something awful. They had this bizarre, creepy obsessive nature to them. They were insistent and persistent, almost like obsessions. It was almost like they were forcing you to think them, like obsessions. But you believed them, unlike obsessions. It was very creepy, but I have enough ego strength not to buy it with my own hand.

The drugs actually are very good at calming you down. When I go off Lexapro for a while, which I often do, I soon find myself getting pretty angry. I mean pick up the paper, how can you not blow your top nowadays? Anyway, I don’t really like to be steaming angry at my age as I am not an angry young man anymore and I also have high blood pressure and rage is not good for hypertension. Anyway, I take 30mg of Lexapro and the rage just dissipates and it’s, “Frankly world, I don’t give a damn,” all over again. Which is maybe the best way to be.

I took a trip recently and I bumped the Lexapro up to 40mg and even 50mg. The effect was out of this world. It made me so much better it was incredible. Almost like being high on a recreational drug. I was in a whole new saner universe. Unfortunately, you go that high and the drug kills your dick, but who needs a penis at my age anyway? It also calmed me down massively.

So the whole, “SSRI’s make you a violent maniac” thing, well, I am not so sure about that.

P. S.: There does seem to be an effect there, mostly for SSRI’s and not really for the other AD’s, but they are the only drugs that work for a lot of people, so we need them. And the suicide thoughts stuff is not common. I got it once in 25 years for a few weeks. I have had hundreds of clients who have taken these SSRI’s and no one has reported suicide thoughts or violence yet.

Plus my experience has been that SSRI’s are extremely calming and cause the opposite of rage and violence.

It is an interesting effect though, and they do not quite know what is causing it. How the Hell doesn’t an antidepressant make some people more suicidal?


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Where There Is Frustration, There Is No Depression

If you think about it, if a person is frustrated, he’s not really depressed. Or if they are depressed, they are not all that depressed.

In that sense, frustration is a good sign in terms of mental health because it means that at least some positive processes are at work.

How do we know this?

Let us think for a moment about what frustration even is in the first place. Frustration occurs when one’s goals are not being met. But look at the word goals in that sentence. The existence of goals in any person is a good sign in terms of mental health. If you have goals, you are looking to the future, and you are probably looking to the future in a positive way. A frustrated person almost always wants things to get better. They dream of better days in the future or even present, and they are frustrated that they cannot reach this better life that they want. They are living a lousy life and they are not happy with it because they think they deserve better.

Sure a frustrated person is angry, but most frustrated people are so mad about their situation that they are usually trying whatever they can do to make things better. I would argue that most of the time these efforts simply fail, but they are commendable nonetheless. A frustrated person is frantically trying to improve their lives but they are running into what seem to be insurmountable roadblocks along the way. This angers the person as these walls are blocking the way to a better life.

The main thing is, if you are frustrated, you have not yet given up. A frustrated person by definition is not hopeless. They are angry that his hopes are being thwarted. At least they have some hopes!

The essence of depression is hopelessness. I have been around depressed people my whole life and hopelessness seems to be at the heart of most fairly serious depression. In fact, if you are not hopeless, I would argue that you cannot possibly be all that depressed. The depressed person has given up. They have surrendered. They are waving the white flag and saying it’s useless to try anymore. Generally they see no hope of things getting better in the future. This is usually a cognitive distortion or false belief but it is a belief that seems to be at the heart of nearly all depression.

I have seen cases of moderate depression or what might be called dysthymia or even Depressive Personality Disorder (which needs to be in the DSM by the way). The cases I have seen were simply lifelong low-level depressions that almost seemed to be more characterological than acquired.

That is, the low level depression seemed to be an essential aspect of their character or personality. It’s how they looked at the world. They thought this view is right, proper, and correct, as all personality disordered people feel this way. As such, they don’t want to change. The folks I have met with Depressive Personality Disorder had no desire whatsoever to change which once again speaks to Axis 2 Personality Disorder as opposed to Axis 1 acquired and symptomatic.

The essence of the worldview of the people I met with this condition was pessimism. It is not so much that they felt hopeless and they were not depressed enough to have given up. They got up every day and did everything that they had to do, but they simply did not have any notions that anything was going to get better in the future. The future always seemed lousy, no matter what. But they soldier on anyway, trudging doggedly into the darkness forever looming in front of them.

So we see that depressive states are characterized by either hopelessness (where serious, acquired and Axis 1 treatable) or pessimism. These people don’t really have any goals because they can’t see anything good in the future worth having any goals about. They are not frustrated because there’s nothing to be frustrated about. Sure, the world sucks as they see it, but this is how they expect the world to be so there is no frustrated desire to see a better way. The frustrated person dreams of a better future. The depressed person has no dreams of the future as they see nothing but darkness ahead.

This hopelessness is why depressives are so often suicidal. When you’ve given up all hope, why live another day? Why stick around? You don’t see any way out and you see nothing but horrible pain and misery ahead, sometimes decades of it. If nothing good is ever going to happen and you will live in horrific pain for the rest of your life, why not just take off? End it all. End the pain. Leave. Go bye bye.

I would argue that a frustrated person is rarely suicidal. However, frustration, pessimism and hopelessness are way stations on the road to a view of having a darkening future.

Frustration is the mildest stop along this road because although the future seems dark indeed, the frustrated person has at least some hope that there’s a glimmer out there somewhere, and this is why they paddle frantically against the riptide.

The next stop is probably pessimism. The pessimist does not really lack hope. Instead they just view the future as more of the same old crap. The hopeless person and the pessimistic person both see nothing good ahead, but the hopeless person has surrendered and is not going to even try anymore, while when the pessimist sees that morning light come streaming in and he gets up to do it again, to get it up again.

The pessimist is still going to try! And there is your difference. Obviously one can move forward along this Highway of Blackened Dreams as the rest stops get progressively worse and more dilapidated. Frustration can easily lead to pessimism and then on to hopelessness. And the pessimist surely can become hopeless. This progressions of gloom are going all the time, all over the world.

So it may appear that the frustrated person is suicidal, but really they are not. What you are seeing is a frustrated person whose frustration defenses are breaking down. They stop dreaming of a better world and conclude that there will be one. From there it is a short stop from soldiering on to giving up altogether.

So a person who appears highly frustrated becomes hopeless very quickly, or moves back and forth between frustration and hopeless. And as soon as frustration moves into hopelessness, the danger begins. A frustrated person can throw up their hands and become hopeless and in an hour grab a rope or a gun and walk off the abyss. But that would not have happened had the transitioned to hopelessness not occurred. In most cases, hopelessness is a necessary and sufficient factor in suicide.

One of the dangerous things about frustration is that it can head into pessimism and hopelessness pretty quickly. Frustration is probably a risk factor for hopelessness and depression. How long the frustration lasts before it gives in and caves is probably down to ego strength. A very strong ego always sees a brighter future, no matter how black things get.

They can tolerate an incredible amount of frustration for many years and they still glimpse the light in the distance, faint as it may be. Frustration is hard to take. It is a very unpleasant state as I can attest to. Many people probably have a limited ability to cope with desires that seemed to be thwarted with no end in sight. one truism of psychology is that most people hate to fail. In fact, they hate to fail so much that if they consistently fail at something, at some point they just say the Hell with it and quit.

The ego cannot tolerate endless failure. Personally, once I persistently fail at something, I generally just throw it in and say that I am not going to even attempt that task anymore. Hence, it is understandable why many people fail or drop out of school.

School’s no fun if you keep failing all of your assignments. Why stick around and continue to fail? The ego says forget it. Repeated frustration is very hard on the ego, and who can blame the ego for feeling this way. The ego’s task is to keep you from feeling like a loser. Repeated failure spells loser, loser, loser. Just give up already and preserve some ego strength!

A frustrated person is in a sense continuing to soldier on in the face of endless failure to achieve their goals. Since people hate to fail over and over (And who can blame them?), many people probably have little tolerance for frustration. Instead they may turn to drugs, drink or nihilism. If your goals are always being cockblocked, you can always just lower your goals.

At some point, you will probably have modest enough goals that your goals are pretty easy to meet. And here we meet the people who seem to be living what most would call lousy lives yet they have simply resigned to it, do not expect anything better and have zero expectations for the future. Yet they often seem fairly happy even though they have given up in a sense. They are now easily able to achieve their reduced goals and they killed their dreams of more long ago.

It is a cliche, but there is a place for everyone in this world. The key to life is finding that little place for yourself, calling it your own, killing your irrational dreams of achieving more, accepting your lot in life with philosophical recognition, and trying to wring some sort of happiness and satisfaction out whatever cards fate has contemptuously drawn for you.

And always remember that frustration is better than it sounds. Some hope is generally better than none.


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