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Is it Common for Girls About 12-16 to be Attracted to 30-50 YO Men?

Is it common for girls about 12-16 to be attracted to 30-50 yo men? Asking for a friend.

It is fairly common for 15-16 year old girls to be attracted to men in their 30’s and sometimes into their 40’s. This sort of thing is far more common than you think.

Most 15 and 16 year old girls are not interested in men in their 50’s – there is just too much age difference, but a very few are. I am almost 60, and I still have 15 and 16 year old girls openly flirting me in outrageous ways. It doesn’t happen very often anymore. I would say this happens maybe 1-2 X/year. But I won’t take them up on it. On the other hand, I am probably not a typical 59 year old man.

I had dinner with a group of people including a 15 year old girl a few years ago, and the girl spent most of the dinner rubbing her leg up against mine. And when she was not doing that, she was rubbing her arm against mine. Walking home from the restaurant, suddenly she was walking right next to me to the point where she was rubbing up against me. I just sort of chuckled and I didn’t stop her in any of these cases. I let her have her fun, but I didn’t do anything about it.

A year ago, I was at a dinner function for people of all ages, and a 16 year old girl spent most of the night making frozen robot blank stares and bedroom eyes at me. She could not take her eyes off me. I don’t think she really wanted to do anything about it, and I didn’t take her up on it.

I would admit though that at my age, most teenage girls are just not into me. I think I am just too old for them at this point.

Some 14 year old girls are attracted to men in their 30’s and 40’s, but the number is not large. 14 year old girls more commonly go after men aged 18-21, college age.

13 year old girls do not generally pursue men, but I had a 13 year old girl openly proposition me in front of the whole class when I was teaching school at age 27, and I have heard of a couple of cases of 13 year old girls seducing Mom’s boyfriend  or their stepfather. The men were ~ age 30. I do not think that is common at all though. I think in the rare cases where 13 year old girls try to seduce men, the men are ~18-30. They go for younger men, like 14 year old girls.

12 year old girls are pretty much little girls, and most of them seem to be terrified of us men, maybe for good reason. I do not think the sex drive has come on yet in girls that age.

Based on some research I have done, I do not believe the female sex drive comes on until age 13 in the US at least. But there is almost no research being done in this important area because of the fucktards and their mass hysteria over the sexuality of teenage girls. Americans really are stupid as Hell. We are probably the most puritanical nation in the entire West. There is something really fucked up about our attitudes about sex. Even the British, probably the most puritanical people in Europe, are far less puritanical than Americans. There is something very deeply wrong with us. As a people, we are simply out of our minds when it comes to sex, and worse, we have always been this way.

However, in a few girls, the sex drive comes on as early as age 12, and a very few of them will try to seduce very young men. When I was 20, I had a 12 year old girl walk right up to me and proposition me, just like that. It was quite incredible. I didn’t do it, thank God. This sort of thing must be quite rare though.

The real problem here is that in the US, even 15 year olds are illegal as Hell for all men, especially those in their 30’s and 40’s. So the question is rather moot considering how dangerous it is to mess with these little temptresses.

Generally the younger the girl, the less likely she is to go after men and certainly after older men. But 15-16 year old sirens are notorious for this sort of thing.

Girls that age are seductive, scheming little minxes, and they go out of their way to deliberately seduce and even proposition men! Teenage girls are dangerous! For men, being around teenage girls is worse than playing with matches. It’s more like playing with sticks of dynamite. Teenage girls are a menace! I advise men to be very careful around them or avoid them altogether!

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Lies of My Haters

I wasn’t going to answer this stuff, but I think I really need to because this poison just keeps going around, and it needs to be countered. Every time I counter this stuff, it never seems to help with the haters, and it seems like it just makes them hate me even more. All of my explanations are warped into more proof that I am sick and evil.

Here is the entire thread. I will go through this bit by bit.

New to this sub…the threads at WS are way too long and rehashing the same discussions over and over, so I admit I am a little out of the loop on this case. Glad to have found this sub though. Anyway, I was doing some reading today on this case and came across blog by a guy named Robert Lindsay. He claims he has all of these inside sources that tell him rumors that he is “100% sure are true”.

He also states rumors as facts, which is super-unprofessional. His claims sound like a huge load of bullshit to me. He also seems kind of creepy to me…a little TOO involved/obsessed with the case. His blog made me uncomfortable to read honestly. Has anyone else come across his blog? If so, what do you guys think? Sorry if this isn’t allowed.. mods please feel free to delete.

How many times do I have to repeat that my beliefs are my beliefs only, and that things are that I believe, even with full confidence, are still simply beliefs which can be proven wrong at any time as any non-fact can? I don’t state rumors as facts. This is one of the most pernicious lies about me, and I am really sick of it.

I am really tired of the line that I say that I have all these inside sources. I have no inside sources whatsoever. I have no LE sources whatsoever. I have almost no sources in the families. All I have is locals who work with me and tell me whatever the latest dirt that is flowing around is. If you don’t like my theories, you hillbillies need to go look in the mirror. All my theories came right out of Delphi and the surrounding area. The problem is you, not me. You’re the ones who came up with these ideas.

The idea that I am too involved in the case is sickening. What’s this supposed to imply? That I get off on this sort of thing? This is another lie that I hear all the time. No, I do not get off on this sort of thing. I am sure many men do though, mostly in their fantasy lives. I am not a sexual sadist, and I don’t really enjoy sadistic porn, although I have seen it. I am not even really into S/M, B/D, which is becoming a legitimate Cultural Left orientation.

It’s just not my thing. I don’t have sexual fantasies that involve raping and murdering women. Of course I have sexual fantasies about all sorts of things, but rape and murder sex is just not my bag. Never have. I don’t do it, and don’t wish to do it. It doesn’t get me off. At all. This is libelous, by the way. You have no idea what my sexual proclivities are. The idea that you can read my stuff and figure out what gets me off sexually is crazy. This is an example of retarded thinking. You wonder why very high IQ types get sick of normal IQ folks. Because we have to deal with their retarded thinking all the time. This type of retarded thinking is called:

  • If you write about it, then you like it and/or do it.
  • If you talk about it, then you like it and/or do it.
  • If you write or talk about things that a type of person does, then you are one of those types of people.

It’s one of the stupidest types of retard thinking out there, but the majority of people think exactly this way. It’s also extremely Normie way of thinking, and Normies suck.

It made you uncomfortable to read because I discussed some of the gruesome rumors surrounding what happened in this crime. These are rumors now, but we will learn the facts one day. There’s nothing creepy, sick or evil in reporting what rapist-murderer maniacs did to their victims. Nothing at all. It’s simply reporting facts. Yes, the facts of rape-murders are typically gruesome and awful, but they are still facts, and there’s nothing wrong with discussing the details of horrible crimes.

[–]heavymetalismetal 24 points 28 days ago
He’s just out to make a buck off of gullible, lonely, bored people. He states he has all these degrees and credentials, but he does not have steady employment. He whines about his car repairs and his broken air conditioning. Reminding people that if they want to comment on his blog they should pony up.

Latest I read was when he accused Libby’s much older uncle having a sexual relationship with her and that Abby was pregnant by her thirteen year old boyfriend, so they kidnapped the girls, took them to a barn, tried to give Abby a DIY abortion, but whoops! Things got out of hand so the girls were murdered to shut them up.

And I also love the post he made about what he would do with the reward money once he got it.

His blog is like watching a car accident, I tune in just to see if he’s been charged with something yet.

I’m out to make a buck! I’m out to get rich! Last year I made $14,000. It’s been that way for many years. What’s wrong with making money? This is my job, and I work very hard at it. I request to be paid for my labor. When you do your job, are you making a buck off your gullible boss? Of course not. He’s paying you for your labor. Do you work for free? Of course not. Why should I work for free? Give me a reason. Any way you can legally make money is pretty much acceptable. We all have to survive. I feel this is a perfectly legitimate way to earn an income.

I do have degrees. Is it evil that I point that out?

Yes, I do not have steady employment in the form of a 9-5 job working for a stranger if that is what you mean. That is due to health reasons. Instead, I am self-employed. You got a problem? Before that, I worked at all sorts of jobs, including a number of professional occupations.

I am not understanding this critique. First I get slammed for trying to earn an income. Then I get slammed for not having a steady job? Why don’t I have to have a steady job? This is more retard thinking. Retard thinking says all adults must have this thing called “a steady job.” Like Hell you do. All adults should try to earn enough money to survive. You don’t need a steady job or a regular job or any of that crap. You can make money any way you want. The idea that everyone has to have a “steady regular job” is retard thinking, and it’s just more Normie crap.

I whine about car repairs and broken air conditioning. One thing I hate about the Net is this bizarre idea that anyone who complains is whining. No ever complains on the Net. All complaining is automatically whining. This is more Normie garbage, and it’s more retard thinking. We all complain. I have known many people who needed to have expensive repairs on their vehicles. Every single one of them complained about it. It’s a normal human thing to do. Only psycho Normie retards think it’s “whining” to complain about unfortunate circumstances.

That is correct. Regular commenters need to pay. This is more Normie crap. Normie idiots think bloggers have no right to charge for their blogs. There are pay websites all over the net. Many blogs and forums and sites run by writers charge money for some or all of their content. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s Normie retard thinking to believe that there is something wrong with Net writers charging for content.

The reason I “accused Libby’s much older uncle of having sex with her” is because that is what it appeared that he was stating on his Facebook. With a photo of him and Libby in the background, he was talking to another man and telling how he had sex with an underage girl. The other man said, “But she’s only 14.” In addition, there is a long-standing rumor in Delphi that this man had sexual affairs with Libby or her sister or both. I have no idea if any of that is true, and in the piece, I stated that there is no evidence that CP has ever had sex with an underage girl. Given his statements and the widespread rumors along those lines, it was legitimate to report this rumor.

“Abbie was pregnant by her 13 year old boyfriend.”

Actually the boyfriend is 16 years old. Blame the women of the Delphi area. This “Abby was pregnant” rumor came right out of town and was a huge rumor for a long time. I will report on all major rumors.

“…so they kidnapped the girls, took them to a barn, tried to give Abby a DIY abortion, but whoops! Things got out of hand so the girls were murdered to shut them up.”

The rumors were that the girl was pregnant and that she was found with a stake driven through her belly. The source of these rumors was women in the town of Delphi itself. With the pregnancy and the stake as our evidence, a good theory would indeed be a botched abortion theory. In any case with facts like that, you would have to consider a theory like that. The theory made perfect sense in light of the rumors.

And I also love the post he made about what he would do with the reward money once he got it.

Yes, I said I wanted to give some of it to the families. Aren’t I a horrible person for saying that? WTF is wrong with that, Normie retards?

[–]itsjesssa 16 points 28 days ago
I was reading the comments on his blog and he banned a dude for (what seemed to me) getting more attention than him. And he practically begs for “donations”. Plus he’s creepy as hell.

The man was banned for violating the Comments Rules. Go read the rules. If you come to my site, you have to follow the rules. If you don’t, you get banned. Why do you Normie retards have such an issue with that?

I don’t beg for donations. They are seldom mentioned. Anyway, requests for donations are very common with many Net journalists. Some of them are quite insistent about it. I don’t blame them. They deserve to be paid for their labor.

“I’m creepy.”

All this creepy bullshit comes from the fact that I discussed the gruesome details of the crime. Some of the details were sexual. So that makes me a creep. What a retarded way of thinking. PS, in Meatspace no one thinks I am a creep. Women and girls have loved me ever since I was ~17 or so, and they still do. It’s always been that way. Creepy guys scare women off. I don’t. I’m the flower, females are the bees.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 15 points 27 days ago
I still can’t tell if that pic on his website is him or a serial killer. I’m not being sarcastic. Those glasses are creepy as fuck

What Normie retard crap. This is the usual Normie thing. Guys with glasses somehow look like rapists, murderers and child molesters. But they don’t. Most such folks do not wear glasses, and people like that almost never look nerdy or dorky. Instead, they look like mean, nasty Alpha criminals. And thank you for libeling me by calling me a serial killer.

–]aqua7 11 points 27 days ago
that’s a very old picture
[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 19 points 27 days ago
Here is a recent photo of me having dinner with a gorgeous young woman. We are pretty much the same age at heart, although I am 31 years older than she is. Oh one more thing. And she’s a model! I never thought at age 60 I would be dating 28 year old models! Do you know what’s even better than that? I still get 18 year old girls! I am almost 60 and I still date hot 18 year old girls! So proud of myself![ 283 more words ]
lmfao

[–]heavymetalismetal 15 points 27 days ago
Ew. What does a twenty something year old professional model see in an unemployed old man with no car?

[–]itsjesssa 14 points 27 days ago
Oh dear god no. He reminds me of this kid I went to school with who was very nerdy and awkward and had no friends so he would make up these outlandish claims and that made him have even less friends.
Or..ya know…Napoleon Dynamite’s brother, Kip.

[–]JamesonJenn 3 points 13 days ago
Kips got more class.

[–]TheAmazingMaryJane 7 points 18 days ago
Like a model is going to eat all that food in a crappy cheap place (what IS on that plate!!) with a dude.

[–]aqua7 6 points 27 days ago
;-)~

[–]theawesomefactory 6 points 25 days ago
Gross.

[–]Hephf 5 points 24 days ago
Geezus.

[–]Supreme000 10 points 27 days ago
LMAO! Thanks for posting this. Now that certainly puts it into perspective, don’t it? Old and delusional. The rantings of a madman.

Bit by bit here.

“What does a twenty something year old professional model see in an unemployed old man with no car?”

I do have a car. We took her car, by the way. She drove eight hours to visit me. There are all sorts of models. Many don’t make a lot of money, like catalog models. I’ve dated model types most of my life, and I still do to this very day. I get hot women with no money and no regular job. I am almost 60, and I still get 18-28 year old women. You tell me how I do this. Some young women still think I am cute or handsome, and my Game is out of this world. I know how to get women. I’ve been doing this since I was a teenager. There’s an art to it, and I’ve got it down.

“Like a model is going to eat all that food in a crappy cheap place (what IS on that plate!!) with a dude.”

She didn’t eat all that food. She gave a lot of hers to me to take home to eat. It’s not a cheap crappy place. It’s a Oaxacan restaurant that serves authentic food from Oaxaca, Mexico. The food is excellent. It’s not the fanciest place, but you can get unreal food in some pretty humble joints. Anyone knows that. The food on the plate is called “clayuda.” Yes, she did eat with me, and as a matter of fact, she even took that photo.

It’s only people on the Net who think I can’t get women. No one in Meatspace thinks that, apparently because I don’t look like the type of guy who can’t get laid. More like the opposite.

“Old and delusional. The rantings of a madman.”

It’s all true. Want to call her up and talk to her? I’ll give you her #, and you can see for yourself.

[–]kateykatey 13 points 28 days ago
Yeah, his is probably the most infamous blog related to this case.
I think he’s a sad old man typing one handed trying to feel important honestly. There’s some of his theories that I can get on board with (e.g. the barn nearby was the kill site, their throats were slit, the recording is 40 minutes long and mostly screaming) but some of them are so out of left field I don’t know how he can post them with a straight face. The comments are often quite interesting though! Lots of valuable insight and theories from locals.

I’m not sad; I am pretty happy. I’m not old; I am middle aged. I don’t type one-handed. More libel suggesting I type with my dick in my hand.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 10 points 27 days ago
My problem is he states theories as facts. For instance he calls the barn “the kill site” without any real fact to prove that is the kill site. I agree its a plausible theory.. but for the time being it’s just that – a theory.

How many times have we gone over the “states theories as facts” lie? Our theory was that the barn was the kill site, and by the way, we had some excellent reasons for feeling that way. As in evidence.

[–]aqua7 6 points 27 days ago
He takes info from other places and forums. He has yet to back up any of his claims. There are a few interesting comments, but not much.

How many times have we dealt with this retard thinking about “stealing other people’s theories?” Did they patent their theories? Did they copyright their facts? This site is a clearinghouse for all of the theories and rumors surrounding this murder case. Of course I roam all over the Net looking for theories and rumors on other sites. That’s where I get a lot of my material. That’s what we do here: collate theories and rumors from websites and sources and throw them out there and evaluate them. This thinking that somehow people have copyrighted or patented the rumors or theories that they report is truly bizarre. It’s very stupid thinking for idiots.

He has yet to back up any of his claims.

This is not true. Some of the things I reported I listed law enforcement and the media as sources. Most of the rest is theory, and there’s nothing to back it up with because no facts have been released. I don’t back up my theories with facts because it’s not possible to do so. Truly retarded thinking! How can one back up one’s theories with facts when no such facts exist? What a stupid way to think.

[–]Supreme000 13 points 27 days ago*
He’s creepy, and he makes some awful accusations based on “supposed” town gossip, and his own crazy opinions. He has no sources. He’s reckless with his opinions and what he is saying about the girls is criminal. He says young girls their age are masturbating daily and will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man! He’s twisted.

It is in fact town gossip. I have had sources, almost all women, in and around that town since I started writing this stuff. Everything stated as a Delphi theory comes right out of women in that town and surrounding areas. Take it up with those women why they are spreading “awful accusations.”

He has no sources.

I suppose this is more libel. You know this how? You have no way to know this. I have a BA in journalism. Of course I have sources, and I know how to cultivate them. We learned that in J-school. I am an expert at obtaining and cultivating sources.

He’s reckless with his opinions, and what he is saying about the girls is criminal.

How? The girls? Both of them? What did I say about them that I can be arrested for? Is this about Abby being pregnant? Go talk to the women around Delphi because they were the source of that very strong rumor going around for sometime.

He says young girls their age are masturbating daily and will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man! He’s twisted.

This really needs a separate post. I did a quick and dirty study ages of certain puberty milestones. While I was collecting that data on forums, the girls were asking each other how often they masturbated. I didn’t intend to collect that data, but there it was, so I wrote it down. In a study with 50 girls age 13-15, 70% of them reported masturbating daily or near-daily. If you think that’s horrible, go take it up with the girls who are diddling themselves. And if you think I made that up (Why would I do that?), go do your own study and prove me wrong.

The actual impetus for the study was driven by an anti-pedophile notion of mine. Yes, I did that study as part of an anti-pedophile project. I have had to do a lot of research on pedophiles as part of my work. I found that pedos often say that kids 12-under have a very strong sex drive and even try to seduce the pedos. I very much doubted it was true, but I wanted to see if it was or not.

There was almost no data on the sexuality of young children, which is almost criminal right there. What little I found indicated that young children do not have an actual physical sex drive in the same way that mature persons do. Mature persons have an actual physical drive. It’s in their bodies. More specifically, young girls do not lubricate, and young boys cannot ejaculate. Nor do young girls get the “pleasant pain/tingling sensation in the stomach/abdomen” which is a very common symptom of the physical sex drive in mature females.

After figuring out that kids have no sex drive, the next thought I had was, “Well OK, so when does the sex drive come on anyway?” I honestly had no idea, and the data was about zero. I wanted to know the age at which the sexless world of young children because the highly sexualized world of the mature person. So I went off to the forums to learn this. I also collected data on age of breast budding and pubic hair onset because that is interesting to me. Many people find the age of onset of puberty an interesting subject, and many articles are written about it mostly because the age of puberty seems to be dropping. I also felt that the sex drive comes on at the same time as menarche, which makes sense.

And it’s in their minds too. Mature persons fantasize about sex with others a lot. It appears that young children do not think this way. When I was a kid, I think I thought about sex maybe five minutes out of a year.

So there you have it. A quick and dirty study driven by me trying to disprove a pedophile lie.

will seduce grown men because of their sex drive coming on like a ton of bricks. He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man!

With 70% of 3-15 year old girls masturbating every day or near every day, I would say the sex drive comes on pretty damn strong nowadays. If you believe otherwise, do a study that shows I am wrong.

Some 13 year old girls seduce men. It’s usually the stepfather or Mom’s boyfriend. It happens. I think they do not do this very often though. But as girls climb upwards in age to 14…15…and up, girls that age definitely seduce men. Hell, I had a 12 year old girl openly proposition me when I was 20. She walked right up to me and asked me to have sex with her. A 13 year old girl openly propositioned me in front of the whole class at age 27 when I was teaching school.

At age 20, I had 14 and 16 year old girls asking me out on dates regularly. A number of my friends have been seduced by teenage girls. Often they openly proposition young men. They are not very sophisticated about it.

Some men prey on these girls, but almost all sex with adult men and teenage girls is very consensual. The girls are very willing and usually enjoy it. Most of the time they refuse to testify against the man. It’s not uncommon for them to run off with the men.

He makes it sound like young girls who are molested, seduced the man!

OK first of all, it is not possible to molest a teenage girl. You can only molest little girls. With teenage girls, it’s statutory rape or illegal intercourse. And yes, they often do seduce the men. That’s been my experience and that of my friends anyway.

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 21 points 27 days ago
Honestly. I wish LE would look into this guy. Not even just in regards to this case, but in general. He is a fucking creep.

Wow, more libel. Telling police to check me out as a possible sex criminal. Libelous as Hell. PS, the police in Indiana know me well and I have spoken with some of them at length. They were very friendly.

–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 17 points 27 days ago
He enjoys discussing young girls in a sexual and sadistic manor wayyyyy too much for my liking. He seems to REALLY get his jollies off telling these weird fantasy “rumors”.

More retard thinking.

If you write about rape-murders of teenage girls, that means you enjoy writing about it!

How the Hell do you know if I like to write about this stuff? Actually I do not like to write about teenage girls in a sadistic sexual way. That’s yucky for me. I’m not into sexual sadism.

By the way, that’s libel saying I enjoy writing about this stuff.

He seems to REALLY get his jollies off telling these weird fantasy “rumors”.

More retard thinking. If you write about sick rape murders, then that means you enjoy the idea of raping and murdering! Incredible. More retard thinking.

  • If you write about it, then you like it.

Completely retarded way to think.

[–]itsjesssa 12 points 27 days ago
AND the masturbation habits of YOUNG girls?!?! Its on his site somewhere. I had to scroll the fuck away from that one.

The masturbation habits was a result of a study I undertook to try to disprove a pedophile lie. It was an anti-pedophile study. The girls were discussing their masturbation habits, so I decided to write that down. If you are so weird and upset about teenage girls having a sex drive, go over to the forums and tell those girls to stop writing about how often they diddle themselves.

“Omg did you see where he was talking about a “study” he did that teenage brothers and sisters almost always have sex with each”

More libel! I said no such thing. I did write an article about brother-sister sex because I always thought it was uncommon. But in reading around, I started noticing that brothers and sisters were having a lot more sex then I ever suspected. I was actually shocked at how much of this was going around. There is even a Reddit group dedicated to this sort of thing, and there are many posters on there, including adult brothers and sisters who are still carrying on. I never said that “brothers and sisters almost always have sex with each other.” I do not believe that is the case. However this sort of thing is more common than I thought.

More retarded thinking.

  • If you write about it, then you do it.

If you write about brother-sister incest, then you like it. Retarded Normie thinking. I have no opinion on brother-sister sex. I have a sister, but honestly I never thought about her like that.

[–]Supreme000 10 points 27 days ago
He has a very twisted view of young girls. Yes, goes into way too much detail regarding young girls, or his delusions of young girls.

My little study again. So go do your own. Prove I am wrong.

“His is the only site that is making outrageous claims that for me, boarder on slinging mud at these young girl’s reputations if they are not true.”

The “Abby was pregnant” rumor came straight from women in Delphi. How does being pregnant ruin her reputation? You can’t ruin her reputation. She’s dead. It’s not possible to defame the dead. Go look it up. Anyway, these things happen. Teenage girls, even young teenage girls, do get pregnant. The fact that these people think that is an insult shows their hatred of sex and puritanism. A teenage girl who gets pregnant is not a bad person. A stupid person? Yes. A bad person? No. This is Puritanical thinking.

–]gretagogo 8 points 27 days ago

Me too!!!! Especially after reading his “study” of the young teens.

Boy that study really pissed you off, didn’t it? Does the truth hurt? So go prove me wrong. Do you own study and show I am wrong.

[–]erictalkssoccer 13 points 24 days ago
He is a fucking asshole. Here is a post of his from a year ago, before he had reached any level of notoriety for his Delphi articles.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/sexual-asssault-for-beginners
Here is a quote (and no, this is not tongue-in-cheek):
“Have fun sexually assaulting women, guys!
But be very careful, and don’t get carried away. A jail cell is not a fun place to be. I have been in those cages a couple of times. You probably never want to go there at all if you can help it.”

This is one of the worst ones of all. People do not understand what sexual assault is. Do you realize that any time you put your hands on a woman without her giving explicit permission, you are engaging in sexual assault? It’s true. But if you are ever to get anywhere with females in this world, you are going to have to start touching them. Grabbing them. Putting your hands on them. Generally speaking, this is done on dates, but it doesn’t have to be.

If she makes a certain move, then you can absolutely grab her, start kissing her, whatever you want. That’s if she starts touching you.

Outside of dating, I have generally done this only when they started touching me first. But on a date, Hell yeah, you better start touching her!

You also need to do it in any sort of pickup situation where you just met a female, and it seems like a pickup. You met her at a party, or at school or wherever. You start hanging around together and pretty soon, you are spending the whole day with her. Every time you turn around, there she is. Pickup situation! Start touching her, dammit!

Or if you are over at her place. You can start touching her or even grabbing her. Do it!

You have to be very careful how you do this, and I do not recommend doing it to female strangers in public unless you are insane. If you do not do this right, especially if you are in public and you do it to a stranger, you can cause a scene, get the cops called on you, have some guy in the vicinity get in your face and order you to leave, and if you don’t leave, he may punch you. Worst of all is if police come and she decides to file charges.

It’s pretty much a chickenshit charge, going after a guy who touched you in public. So he touched you in public? So what! Tell him to stop. Firmly. In an angry voice.

But that doesn’t mean a woman don’t do it. Women file chickenshit charges against men all the time.

If you start touching a woman and she gets angry at some point and starts pushing you away or firmly and angrily says no, you really need to just stop. A lot of guys don’t, but that’s lousy behavior, and to me, it is very rapey. I try not to do that. It has to be consensual. I am not a rapist.

I had a naked woman wandering around my house for two hours the other night. She was my maid. I got her naked, took a shower with her, and got to touch her a bit, but she wasn’t putting out at all. She just wandered around my place for two hours stark naked, refusing to put out. I think that was lousy behavior on her part. Finally I caught her in the dining room with a syringe and a spoon getting ready to shoot meth in my place. I threw her out pretty quickly after that.

I would like to point out that a lot of men would have just raped her. They would say that if you get naked and wander around some guy’s house for two hours, you are saying you want to have sex and also consenting to it. I don’t agree. It’s false advertising, but I’m not a rapist. I refuse to rape a woman even if she’s pretty much asking for it, and some are.

[–]gretagogo 10 points 27 days ago
Someone else posted about him on a different thread in here and I chimed in with many of the same feelings as you. What’s really bizarre is the next day or so after that I was looking at his blog and he addressed what people say about him and he quoted what someone replied to me with. I’ll have to see if I can find it. It just really creeped me out.

That’s right. You think you can go on the Net and talk crap about me all day, and I’m not going to respond to your hater ass? Don’t think so!

[–]indigoworm 10 points 22 days ago
This man seems very disturbed. I was excited when I saw such a comprehensive blog about the Delphi Murders as I have struggled to find a good one. When I saw his, I was hopeful to learning more about the case and possible theories. What I ended up getting was the ranting and ravings of a mad man. When he cites his sources, it is a few words at the end of the paragraph. Really helpful, buddy.

Furthermore, he think Damian Echols is a Satanist. He presents himself as oh so intelligent, but he is a buffoon. The only thing he knows is the various types of pedophiles and that is probably because it’s his #1 hobby. It really pains me that he is exploiting this horrible murder to get donations and it continuously spreading misinformation. So sad….

I started stating my sources after each allegation because scum like you were freaking out and screaming that I had no named sources. First place, I do not have to name my sources. I have a BA in Journalism, and naming your sources is not required and in fact is a very bad idea. You know a person is a retard if they start screaming, “Name your sources!” or “Lindsay refuses to name his sources!” These people never took a journalism course. I got this with the retarded Bigfoot scum and now I get it with the retarded Delphi scum.

I fail to see how my saying Damien Echols is a Satanist makes me insane or not credible. It’s an open question, and many people do say he is a Satanist or at least he was one, and judging by his recent actions, he still is. I studied the case for a long time, and my conclusion is that Damien Echols is a Satanist. It’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion based on the evidence. Only a scum would say one lacks credibility for making such a conclusion.

[–]FrankieHellis 7 points 25 days ago
When I first came across his blog, I was excited and I subscribed. Within a day or two, I became unexcited and unsubscribed. That dude has some issues.

In fact, I do not have much in the way of issues. I am actually under the care of mental health professionals, and there is not much wrong with me. No affective disorder. No personality disorder. No psychotic disorder. I do have an anxiety disorder for which I take medication and hence the psychiatrist. I fail to see how having an anxiety disorder makes one insane or have issues. It’s run of the mill stuff.

[–]borderhorizon 6 points 25 days ago
“Robert Lindsay” is a pathological megalomaniac. His presumptions regarding motive and method are the precipitate of years of agonizing self-analysis. An analysis into the abyss of his own desperately wicked soul. He’s a social arsonist who is obsessed with starting a fire…and then coming to the rescue to solve it. In addition to posting a sophomoric criminal analysis, it would follow that he’s been unsuccessful in various ventures in life.

None of this is true. My best therapist insists that I do not have Narcissistic Personality Disorder and I do not suffer from pathological narcissism, in short, I am not a narcissist. He says I have “high self-esteem,” and if you want to equate self-esteem with narcissism as many clinicians do, then that counts as high narcissism, but high narcissism (high self-esteem) is not considered a disorder. In fact, it is usually considered a sign of mental health.

I have worked a variety of jobs all through my life, good ones and bad ones, and I do not believe I have failed at any of them.

Well on a construction crew, at a factory and at a warehouse driving a forklift, I could not seem to get the hang of it and was fired for doing a poor job, but I gave them all 100% of my effort. I am not worried about failing  at a variety of poorly-paid working class jobs. I have also had a number of relatively prestigious jobs, and I have not failed at any of them. In fact, I have a couple of jobs now working for myself, and I am doing quite well at both of them.

I have been under the care of mental health professionals (clinical psychologists and psychiatrists mostly) for much of the past 25 years. This is because I get regular treatment for an anxiety disorder. I’m sure that if I was seriously disturbed in some evil and dangerous way they would have caught it and pointed it out by now. In terms of dangerousness, mostly they say that I am harmless, but I will fight very hard to defend myself, and I mouth off to people who insult me or attack me.

I do not think our criminal analysis is sophomoric. I know for a fact that LE officers in at least two states read here. They requested passwords to the private forum and were given them. If this site had nothing but junk, I do not see why they would read here.

[–]otistoole 7 points 15 days ago
I’ve been familiar with this guy for years. He has to add his 2 cents to everything, from Sasquatchery to sociology. He is quite arrogant and unpleasant. He revels in being more intelligent than most everyone else. I really don’t think he is half as smart as he likes to believe he is.

In my opinion, he really just needs a good, solid ass-kicking. Seems like no one in his life cared enough yet to correct him or counter his megalomaniacal fantasies, and sometimes there’s nothing left to do for a person like this except to bust him in his damn mouth.

A guy named Otis Toole insulted me! I’m so hurt!

Yes, I have opinions on many different things. What’s wrong with that? That means I am a polymath and a Renaissance Man. You got a problem?

I do not revel in being more intelligent than everyone else or most everyone else, even though I am. If you take 1,000 Americans and put them in a room, I am smarter than everyone in the room. On the contrary, it is rather lonely and alienating, and it upsets me when my brain tries to tell me that half the people I meet are Goddamned morons. I feel bad about thinking that way, and often wish I could shed 30 IQ points.

Not as smart as I think I am? I am in the .1% of intelligence in the US, as documented by repeated testing. That good enough for you?

I do not know what to say about this megalomania crap. Wouldn’t someone like that be automatically Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Is it possible to be a healthy megalomaniac? If you meet me, you might be surprised. It’s often said that I am shy and self-effacing in Meatspace.

[–]dbbwlkr 4 points 22 days ago
I said from the beginning how his picture looks like the BG. It looks like he shaded half his face to portray this…

I admit it. I am the Bridge Man. I killed those girls. I was in California at the time of course, but I killed them anyway. I aimed my black laser beam eyeballs at them, and that’s how I did it! I can kill from 2,000 miles away! I have mini cruise missiles in my eyeballs! All you haters better watch it!

[–]feelbadthrowawayyy[S] 11 points 27 days ago
He does really put himself out there though sharing his ideas which is pretty brave. I have to disagree that it’s brave to state outlandish theories from behind a computer screen. Now if he had the balls to say these things to the faces of Abby and Libby’s families, that might be “brave” (or just dickish, but you get my point)

In fact, I was emailing a member of Abby’s extended family for a while, and he donated generously to the site. He also praised my work. So there.

[–]Hunt4lindsay 2 points 7 days ago
I represent a group who can visit Mr. Lindsay. We need someone to set him out on where he can regularly be located.

This can be none other than Brad Holder and his nutcase son Jason, Abby’s former boyfriend. Just what I need. An antisocial devil-worshiping freak and his snotty little punk ass son are coming after me. As if I did not have enough problems.

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About that Evil Study I Did

Bumface the bestest: Also they’re not pre-pubertal at that age but peripubertal. Plenty 11/12 yo girls have boobs and pubes and want to fuck.

In case you are wondering, this person is a pedophile-hebephile who has been coming to my site for some time now. He’s also a troll, and I do not appreciate him linking to little girls and Lolitas in the comments. He’s been banned a number of times, mostly for trolling, but he keeps coming back. I’m not a pedophile or a hebephile of course despite widespread popular lies insisting that I am. I hope I would be OK if I was one and just happened to get wired up that way, but it was not in the stars. I like my females fully developed and in this day and age, definitely over the age of consent. It’s just not worth 10 years in prison for hot little teenage girl piece of ass. Why risk it?

The line that he repeats above seems to be something that most pedophiles believe. They all seem to believe that prepubertal children of both sexes have raging sex drives and are dying to have sex with their peers and even adult men. This sounds like a self-fulfilling fantasy on the part of the pedophiles who want to believe that what they are doing is perfectly OK with children as the kids want it anyway. I always suspected it was a myth and that was what set me off on the quick and dirty study I did on the Net for which I have been ripped to  pieces over. However, I told my female FNP about this little study I did, and she was very interested and urged me to continue my research. She specializes in Female Health including sexual health, so she had a great interest in this topic. She was adamant that all teenage girls should have access to free contraception.

What drove me to want to do this little study was an attempt by me to try to test a notion that pedophiles kept tossing out that little kids are sex-starved, horny as Hell and dying for sex, including with adults. Obviously it is convenient for pedophiles to believe this as it validates their behavior and makes it seem non-harmful or even beneficial. But I was always suspicious of this theory, and I suspected that the pedophiles were lying. My working hypothesis was that prepubertal children had no real sex drive the way we adults did.

This led me to the question of exactly when the sex drive begins in females, as I care nothing about males. Despicably, there is almost nothing about this in any sort of scientific literature. Once you put “sex drive” and “prepubertal children” together in a  sentence, most people fly into crazed hysterics and lose all rational thought. They’re effectively insane for the whole time they are thinking about this subject. It’s sets off their Mass Hysteria.

So I set out to determine when the sex drive in human females comes on anyway. Along the way, I wanted information about milestones such as breast onset, pubic hair onset, and menarche, as there is a lot of talk that the ages of these events were lowering in recent decades.

I put some words into Google and was quickly led to some bulletin boards where teenage girls aged 13-15 were giving the board questionnaires with these questions in them. The boards were teenage girl only. Of course they were all very enthusiastic about answering these questions, whereas adults apparently think that girls this age having these interests is despicable, vile, sick and evil. This attitude is terrible and shows our profound hatred for teenager girls in denying them the right to experience these feelings in a normal and rational manner.

So the impetus for this little was based on my anti–pedophile ideology! I was trying to prove that pedophiles were lying about this and to catch them in their lie! Somehow this little anti-pedophile study I did has been twisted around by 95% of people to mean that I am a pedophile or pro-pedophile myself! Isn’t that insane? T

his just goes to show that we are currently experiencing a Moral Panic and Mass Hysteria on the subject of child sex and teenager sex. Really it’s Teenage Girl Mass Hysteria because no one seems to care what teenage boys do their dicks. I would like to point out to all the idiots pushing this mass hysteria, 90% of whom are women, that they are being profoundly misogynistic about this matter. They are showing extreme hatred for teenage girls while letting teenage boys off the hook. It’s disgusting to see many women engulfed in self-hate like this.

In the course of my study, I found that pubic hair onset was age 12, but sex drive onset was not until age 13. Menarche also seemed to be around age 13. I only found one case of pubic hair onset at age 11. Only one girl was masturbating at age 12, and only one did not start until age 14. Age 13 seems to be the magic age nowadays. I did have a female client who started masturbating compulsively to Internet porn at age 11 though.

In response to the pedophile’s comment above, I have some remarks. I tell you what. I have met quite a few 12 yr old girls around here the last decade or so in this town. Some of them lived in my complex.

One thing I can tell you for sure about 12 year old girls is that they absolutely do not want to fuck, they have no interest in either boys or men, they mostly have stick little boy bodies, many have little to no observable tits, and basically they are still little girls, not a lot different from a 10-11 yr old girl who has no sex drive at all.

Also they seem very worried about, frightened of and suspicious of men, and it is very hard to talk to them. They act like they are terrified of us. They still have high pitched little girl voices and they call their fathers “Daddy” just like little girls do. They’re not ready for the sexual game. It’s basically a little girl!

But by age 13, something revolutionary happens to their bodies and minds, and they are just not little girls anymore. That event is the onset of a full-blown adult sex drive. I still don’t think adult men should be able to have sex with 13 year old girls – it’s just not right, but they have full sexual rights as sexual beings, and they should have a right to legal sex with their peers all the way up to age 17. In other words, it ought to be legal for them to do that. Now whether it’s a good idea or not is another story. But arresting teenagers and convicting them in a court of law for the crime of having sex with their 13-17 year old peers is utter madness. It’s cruel and insane. This needs to be dealt with in the family itself, but good luck with that. Ask around about how well parents can control hormonal boy-crazy teenage girls.

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Sexual Capability and Drive in Female Children and Adolescents

Goldie: I have read your blog – here and there. I find it interesting, in one entry, you state that “children do not have sexual feelings”. I am a female and have been masturbating (with climax) since at least age 8 (and masturbating without climax long before that)… Just wanted to make you aware that your assumption is at least false in some cases (just judging by my own life experiences and what my friends have told me). This is probably not accurate among ALL females (as nothing ever encompasses ALL of anybody); however, I felt it important to share this with you.

P.S. My response is to one of your blog entries from a long time ago, where you call teenage girls “dangerous’ since they do have sexual feelings, yet children do not. You were discussing whether Abby or Libby might have been going to meet a male the day they were murdered– or not (just for reference).

Thank you very much for your interesting comment, Goldie.

I know very well that little girls can reach orgasm. I have had girlfriends who started masturbating to orgasm at age 5. And if you go out on the Net, you can find quite a few women saying that they learned how to do this as girls, sometimes by accident.

One woman said she was seven years old and she was riding the back of the couch like it was a horse. Well as you can imagine, that went on for a while and then there was an explosion which totally freaked the girl out. ”

Mommy!” she called out. “What was that!?”

Well Mom came into the room, figured out what happened, and they had a little talk.

I have had female commenters and a couple of female clients who told me that they started masturbating to orgasm at age 7-8.

The difference is though that I am absolutely convinced that little girls simply do not want to fuck boys or men. They do not have any actual physical or mental sex drive in that sense. They do not lubricate, get abdominal tingles or have the psychophysiological sensation of a “hunger for sex.” Furthermore, they do not find boys or men sexually attractive in the sense that they get turned on by them.

So while yes, little girls have the full capability of masturbating and reaching orgasm, on the other hand, they lack and actual mind-body physical and psychological drive for sex that mature females have. Yes, they can get off, and no, they don’t have a sex drive, and no, the fact that they can get off is not the same thing as an actual drive for sex.

Yes, children do indeed engage in sex play. I hear about this all the time from my clients, and it is often incestuous and sometimes bisexual. You would not believe the wild stories I have heard! The sex that they have is more exploratory in terms of sex play.

For instance, little girls simply do not lubricate. They just don’t. Lubrication starts at puberty. Women lubricate. Even women as young as 18 or 20 have told me that they go through phases where they are wet all the time from the time they get up in the morning til the time they go to bed at night. That’s a turned on sex drive. Little girls experience nothing like that.

I have had girlfriends who told me that there are other sensations associated with the female sex drive. One described it as “a pain in the stomach, but a pleasant pain.” I asked if it was a tingling sensation, and she said yes. Another female friend told me that it is a tingling sensation, and it is lower, in the abdomen. Little girls simply do not have this physical sensation in their abdomen. They don’t get actually physically horny in that sense.

There is also a mental component. One female friend described it as simply a “hunger.” It is actually a “hunger for sex,” like when you are thirsty or hungry for liquids or food. It’s a mental and physical drive. I do not believe that little girls have this psychological “hunger for sex” feeling. They don’t want or need to have sex. With anyone.

In addition, mature females have the psychological feeling of finding other mature persons physically attractive in a sexual way. Most women develop an actual physical and sexual feeling of attraction towards males as a normal part of their development. Boys and men turn them on. I do not believe that little girls find anyone sexually attractive. No one turns them. Neither boys nor men nor anyone at all for that matter.

What happens is that at puberty, something kicks in in the human female. The actual physical sex drive complete with abdominal tingles, a strong feeling of psychological hunger for sex, lubrication and a new feeling of attraction, usually to boys and men. No one knows how this attraction part kicks in, and it is not well understood, but something kicks in in the brain that actually makes you start looking at other humans as sexually attractive and makes you feel like you want to have sex with them.

For girls the onset of the sex drive seems to be around the time menarche. Nowadays most all teenage girls start masturbating at age 13, which is probably around the time of menarche. That seems awful young to me. I doubt if that many girls were masturbating so often and so young when I was 13. It makes sense that menarche and the onset of the sex drive would coincide. Menarche signals that your body is ready to start making babies. Of course if your body is ready to make babies, it makes sense to turn the mind-body drive that makes you want to do the thing that makes the babies, right?

The onset of the sex drive is also very poorly understood in terms of sexual orientation. We also do not know if sexual orientation is malleable. Obviously it is in women, however, most true biological lesbians seem have been wired up that way from an early age, possibly even in the womb as a developmental factor.

It seems to be somewhat malleable in boys too, and boys seem to be able to modify their sex drives somewhat from ~9-~13, but they can’t modify them too much at the later age. Sometimes an environmental drive developed in childhood crashes into a biological drive. In the case of George Michael, a true bisexual, he got very interested in girls at an early age as a boy, and he was still very much into them when his sex drive came on like gangbusters at puberty. What happened was that a pre-programmed homosexual orientation exploded into his mind and came onto him in a rush of thoughts and sensations as it does in all biologically gay men and boys. However, since he had established a strong interest in females as a boy, he remained very much turned on by women his entire life.

All available data shows that male sexual orientation cannot be changed in the lab after age 15. We don’t know if it can be changed before age 15, but it might be hard to get funding for a study like that! Not only can gay men not be turned gay, but they cannot even be moved 10% on the sexual orientation scale. Although only gay men trying to turn straight have been studied, it stands to reason that if is works one way, it works another.

Getting back to the topic at hand in regard to the Delphi Murders, as post-pubertal girls with a full, strong sex drive, of course Abbie and Libby could have been in the park to meet boys. Teenage girls are interested in boys sexually as we all know. On the contrary, if they were younger, say 11 and 12, it would be highly dubious if they were there to meet boys. 11 and 12 year old girls have no sex drive, other humans don’t turn them, and they don’t desire to have sex with other humans. In fact, girls that age are often quite boy-phobic. This is why it was important to note that based on the girls’ ages, they could well have been there to meet boys, whereas if they were younger, we could probably rule that out.

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PUA/Game: The Easiest Female to Get Is Always One That Is Your Age

KCH: It seems to me that getting a woman his own age would be less work, not more work. Just saying. Perhaps these women misunderstand the intentions of said male.

It’s always easiest to get a woman your own age, always. If you cannot get a woman your own age, God help you. You may be able to get an older woman, maybe. Even there though older women want hot young men for their boy toys. When I was a young man, I noticed that the young men who were dating women say 7-18 years older than they were, were generally the…Alphas, shall we say. A lot of them were very good-looking, and they were cleaning up with females their own age and even younger down to JB’s for the guys in the 18-20 range.

Once women get outside their age range, they start getting pickier. Getting a legal teenage girl would be almost impossible for me now. Getting a woman in her 20’s would be very difficult. Even getting a woman in her 30’s would not be easy at all. All of those are serious uphill climbs. I am on dating sites, and they only women who respond to me are in my age range. Most are in their 50’s, a few are in their 60’s, and not too many of them are in their 40’s. Women in their 40’s pretty much never respond. Women in their 30’s are practically hopeless, and I am not sure if I even bother with women in their 20’s because the odds are so nuts.

Sure, there are men who are behavioral Betas or Omegas who are not very attractive to women. I would say that any guy in that behavioral/looks range is going to do best with women his own age, no matter what his age is. If he’s 18, try for girls that age. If he’s 30, go for women around that age. If he’s 40, go for women around that age. If he’s 50, same, and on and on. The least picky women will be the ones right around your own age. A lot of women are not exactly runway models or prizes themselves, and after a while, most women figure out that Alphas are crappy boyfriends and husbands, and their Prince Charming on a horse is never going to show up, so they cut their losses and go for some guy who is right around their own speed and attractiveness level.

As women get younger and younger than you, they get harder and harder to get because you are simply not that attractive to them. Yes, young women and even girls will go for older men, but they seem to aim for high status when they do, possibly because as the man gets older, he is less attractive. So he needs status, power, money, fame, etc. to make up for his losses in the looks department. As the age difference between a younger woman and an older man gets greater and greater, you will need higher and higher status to make up for progressively decreasing looks.

With older women and younger men, I am not so sure, but most older women are not into boy toys all that much in the first place, and if they are, they probably try to select the best looking of the younger men.

Bottom line is all females more or less want Alphas. Even girls want Alphas. They’re all competing for the 20% Alphas. Yes, women of course go for non-Alphas, but that’s more of a second choice thing. Women are status-fuckers. They’re powerfuckers. And my observation of teenage girls is that they really are no different from women in that way.

Female sexuality seems to be largely biological and unconscious, and much of the psychosexual program probably loads with the onset of the sex drive, with some changes of course with aging.

One thing I have noticed is that teenage girls like pretty boys. They like boys who look like girls. Very pretty, handsome, almost feminine-looking boys do great with high school girls. As women age into their 20’s and up to 30, they are less interested in pretty boys and more into masculine man’s man types, possibly because these are better as husbands and fathers. At the same time, women seem to develop an attitude that pretty boys are either playboys who are not serious, or they are effete men, no matter how handsome they are, or worst of all, that they might be or are gay. There is a real suspicion of “pretty boy” men that comes with women as they age. They just don’t go crazy over Justin Beiber types the way high school girls do.

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A Feminist Lie: “He Can’t Get a Woman His Own Age, so He Goes for Teenage Girls”

Jason Voorhees: BEAUREGARD

My real-life experience has been that the males that seek out teenage girls are losers.

We’ve all known that 20 year old that had a 16 year old girlfriend.

He is without exception always the same: an underachiever, hanging around teenagers long after people his own age have gone to university or left home, he is undesirable in his own age range etc. etc.

First of all, who the Hell seeks out teenage girls? Most males between ages of 18-21 don’t much differentiate between teenage girls age 14-17 and grown women age 18+. Most guys that age just think they are all the same. I knew many, many people when  I was that age, and I never met one  young man who deliberately sought out teenage girls. All I saw were teenage girls chasing the man that age. I never saw any of the other way around. I think this whole thing about the young man who preys on teenage girls because he can’t get a woman is a great big fat lie. Some of  you claim to have met such people, but I have never met one in my life.

This has NOT been my experience. Between the ages of 18-20, all of us, and I mean all of us were hanging around with people our own age and some underage people.

On the contrary, the only guys I knew aged 18-21 who dated teenage girls were pretty much the studs, the Alphas. These guys were womanizers, playboys, players. Most were quite promiscuous. They were often very good-looking, and they had incredible Game. They walked into a room, and every sexually mature female in the room would look up and look right in his eyes. Those were the guys that all the women that age wanted and the teenage girls were no different. If anything, they were even more picky because they were very status-oriented.

The JB’s saw these men cleaning up with women, and that’s what attracted them in the first place. Women want the men all the other women want. Girls are no different. Teenage girls are just little women. Sexually, they think almost exactly like a grown woman, not much different at all. What a woman wants, a girl wants. They’re all females and they all want the same thing.

The jailbaits made a beeline straight for the Alphas. It seemed like that was all they were interested. And all of the Alphas in that age bracket were screwing Jailbaits without exception.

Even from age 21-23, I was still hanging around teenagers somewhat because I had younger brothers. But I had given up on those girls.

JB’s are just like any women. They only want the best. They are not that picky about boys their age, but when it comes to adult males, they get a lot more selective. And the older the man is, the more selective they are. As men get older, JB’s don’t just want the best, they want the best of the best. Look at how many JB’s hooked up with famous writers, rock stars, billionaires, movie stars, movie directors. Those are the sort of older men JB’s go after. They aim straight for the top.

I never run into this “loser who can’t get women his own age so he goes for teenage girls.” It strikes me as a bunch of crap. Anyway, no one is as selective as JB’s. Even if it were legal, getting a 16-17 yr old girl would be nearly impossible for me. I’m just too old for them and the only guy my age they would go for would be way out of my league. The only man my age who could get a girl that young would have to be a huge Alpha. Because that’s all those JB’s want. It’s Alphas or nothing.

When it comes to me, teenage girls want the best.

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Robert Stark Interviews Author Ray Harris

First Stark broadcast I have run in some time now.

This man Ray Harris is a true intellectual. Stark suggests that he also may be considered Alt Left, and I would agree with that.

A lot of interesting discussions going on here with a lot of it centering on nudity, social nudity, and our very nutty hangups about nudity. The Anglophone world is extremely uptight and Puritanical about social nudity in contrast to most of Europe. Germany and Spain in particular are quite wide open about this subject. There is also a lot about nude minors being portrayed in art. In recent years, the controversy has been mostly about naked teenage girls in movies.

Most of these movies were produced in Europe. Louis Malle’s Pretty Baby features a nude 12-year-old Brooke Shields. This clip is out there on the Internet for all to see because nudity is not necessarily child pornography. You can have all the pictures of naked kids all you want I guess.

Nudism sites certainly do, and they are all over the Net. They show humans including minors of all ages, wandering about in the nude on beaches, forests, etc. It’s honestly not very erotic, and the younger teenage girls are not as hot as you would think. They mostly appeared underdeveloped to me, and I wasn’t very into them. Of course the naked kids are not arousing at all, and I fail to understand why we flip out about this stuff. I mean, I can’t think of anything less interesting than a naked kid of either gender. So why do we have a heart attack every time we see one!? I mean it’s a naked human being. Is that evil or something? Color me mystified. What the Hell’s the matter with you hysterical  Puritans anyway?

Of course I have seen the Pretty Baby clip, and I must say, I can’t see why anyone would be turned on by 12 year old Brooke naked in her shower. I watched it and I thought, “Lame,” and “Why would anyone get turned on by that?” Nevertheless, the hysteria rages on out of control, burning minds to a crisp all over the land.

There’s a long history of painting naked minors, especially females, and in centuries past, it was quite common to paint young naked children. I believe Harris says it’s not done much anymore because artists are too paranoid.

The work of photographers Jock Sturges, David Hamilton, and Bill Henson is gone over. These are modern photographers whose work focuses on naked teenage girls.

Henson likes them real young, like age 13. I’ve seen some of that, and it’s not a turn-on at all. In fact, it’s a huge turnoff. You want to look away because you are thinking a girl that young is too young to be sexualized. It’s not erotic to me in the slightest. Instead it is shocking and weird. They have no bodies at all, no tits to speak of, their bodies look like boys’ bodies (I call females like that “sticks”), and at this point of my life, they really look like little girls. They’re not little girls anymore, but they look like they are.

I think we need laws to keep men and 13 year old girls from having sex. These girls need to be protected from us men, and we men need to be protected from ourselves. It would not be right for this to be legal. That’s practically a little girl.

Hamilton and I think Sturges focus on teenage girls, so that’s a lot more promising. Hamilton’s shots are in outdoor locations, often in groups. The photography is spectacular, and the girls are very beautiful.

On the other hand, at least Hamilton focuses like Henson on young teenage girls. I think most of those girls are 13-15, but correct me if I am wrong. I would have to loved to have looked at them earlier in adulthood because girls that age turned me on a lot more when I was younger like 18-30, but at my age, they just seem too young. It’s too much of a young girl. They’re not even much of a turn-on. Physically they are somewhat of course, but then they seem like too much of a young girl, and they are so underdeveloped and girlish, and that part of it is a turnoff and wipes out the physical part.

I know they are not little girls, but even 16 year old girls are starting to seem like little girls to me now. They are perfectly developed, but it just seems like way too much of a girl, and they seem very immature. I see them, and I think they are in junior high. I figure they are in 7th or 8th grade. I ask them if they are in junior high, and they get offended. Anyway, yes, I have seen Hamilton’s stuff and it is all over the Net if you want to go looking for it, and I assure you that it is all 100% legal. After all, nudity is not child porn. I’ve already seen it, and I have no desire to go looking for it again.

I forget Sturgis’ focus, but I think it was young teenage girls also.

I also worry about these men. What’s with the obsession with 13-15 year old teenage girls? I don’t get it. Sometimes I wonder if these guys’ sexual interests are completely OK. It’s not normal to be obsessed with young teenage girls. You are getting into hebephile territory, and hebephiles are not normal.

This subject has aroused some of the worst lies and libels about me of all. I have tried to address these lies, but I just dig the hole deeper. This is all based on some retarded thinking that people of normal intelligence always engage in. It’s called, “If you write about it, then you do it,” or “If you write about it, then you are one.” There’s also, “If you talk about it, then you do it,” and “If you talk about it, then you are one.” All of these are logical fallacies. Take this arguments to your Logic professor and see what he says.

These are examples of very stupid ways of thinking and almost 100% of the population with average intelligence thinks like this all the time. Now you see why people like me think people of average intelligence are retarded.

The Robert Lindsay Brush Fire about this matter was set off long ago. The fire is 0% controlled and is expected to rage into the foreseeable future. As long as that’s the case, I figure I will pour gasoline on the flames and sit back and watch the devastation. It’s rather entertaining to be a social arsonist. If you can’t beat em, join em.

Robert Stark Interviews Author Ray Harris

Paradise-Reclaimed

Cover of Ray Harris’ newest science fiction novel.

Robert Stark and co-host Pilleater interview writer Ray Harris. He is based out of Australia and is the author of Paradise Reclaimed which is available on e-book.

Link here.

Topics:

Ray’s science fiction novel Paradise Reclaimed about the story of the first interstellar colony.
Warnings about dystopia on Earth and creating a utopia from scratch.
Transhumanism, the idea of both genetic and social engineering, CRISPR Gene Editing, and the influence of Julian and Aldous Huxley.
Ecotopia, Solar Punk, Soleri’s Arcosanti, and combining the primitive and futuristic.
How we have the technology to advance civilization, but corporate and political corruption stands in the way.
Aldous Huxley’s Novel Island.
Jungian archetypes.
The upcoming sequel to the book The Golden City about the colonists returning to Earth after being isolated.
Social nudity, it’s place in the book’s space colony, and whether our aversion to it is rational.
The historic of social nudity, attitudes in Europe and Japan, and the Freikörperkultur Movement in Germany.
Different cultural attitudes towards sex in America, Europe, and Japan.
Developmental vs. chronological age.
The history of attitudes towards sexuality in the West, age of consent laws, and how they affected the arts.
Nudity in art; French Rococo painter François Boucher’s Leda and the Swan; works by Edgar Degas, Vincent van Gogh, and Jean-Honoré Fragonard.
Japanese Shunga art.
The debate about what is art and what is erotica.
Controversial nude photographers Bill Henson, Jock Sturges and David Hamilton.
The film Louis Malle’s Pretty Baby (1978), Eva Ionesco, and Natalie Portman in Léon: The Professional.

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Delphi Murders: My Clearing of Two of My Major POI’s

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Sun: Robert, elimination of all your recent POI’s makes sense except for one. Multiple commenters in this new continue to refer to MP/CP. That was also the one avenue I was surprised to see you now rule out. Was there something definitive that resulted in your shift in thinking? What was it?

The names of MP and CP have been commonly bandied about among both locals and non-locals as possible suspects in the Delphi Murders. After much consideration, I am making this post to state my opinion that both of these men are innocent of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams.

The purpose of this post is to announce my clearing of both MP and CP as POI’s. I will share photos that can reveal these men’s identities, but as I am acquitting them, I don’t see why this is a problem. This whole post is about what I feel is their innocence, so I do not see what the fuss would be.

MP and CP are both cleared at least in my mind. Obviously I cannot clear anyone, but I can clear some suspects in my own mind anyway and that is all that this post is about.

Yes, both CP and MP have rock solid alibis for the period of the crime. CP was at work at Subaru, and MP was at work at his business. Both CP and MP appeared on the scene at 5:30 PM as part of the initial search and searched for at least four hours until 9:30 PM. Family and friends came back at 12 PM and searched until 2:30 AM. I assume that CP and MP were part of this second group. So CP and MP are accounted for at the time of the crime.

If the girls were being held in the barn as I believe, MP and CP would have had to come back probably at 2:30 PM to participate in the goings on at the barn. That seems most unlikely to me, as this seems to be about the time the boys in the barn were finishing up business. The girls were probably dumped between 2:30 AM and 7:30 AM. If CP and MP were missing from their homes at this time, we would have heard about it. One may inquire of Becky P regarding MP’s whereabouts at that time. I am sure she will tell you he was at home.

Of all of the people wounded in the fallout from this crime, Becky Patty seems to have been injured worst of all. I have heard that Becky goes in for her appointments in town and refuses to talk. She won’t say a word. She just sits there and sobs the whole time. She’s taking this harder than anyone. You have to prioritize your grief and rage or your marriage. I am quite certain that Becky Patty values her grief far more than her marriage. If she thought for one second that MP was involved, she would have turned him in in a NY minute. The fact that she has not speaks volumes to me.

Also I have heard testimonies from people who know MP that he is a solid stand-up guy. I have reason to believe he is not perfect, especially in terms of his relationship to Libby. However, this looks more like a case of over-parenting than anything else. People who know MP are dumbfounded that he could be involved and insist that he just doesn’t have it in him.

Looking at his history, MP seems to be a stand-up guy, particularly in terms of the seedy hillbilly underbelly of Delphi you glimpse when you rip that fake Mayberry hardcore Christian conservative facade off. Delphi is Tobacco Road a century in the future. All is not as it seems in this seemingly idyllic all-American town.

In terms of that backdrop, MP seems to be one of the finest men in town. He runs his own business and makes a good living at it. It would be hard to see him jeopardize that. He has taken in a number of kids as adoptees. It looks like 3-4 at last count. The rumor that he is a Satanist is probably not true. Instead, he seems to be a devoutly religious Christian. He took in CP as an adopted child also, so CP is not his real son. He also took in Libby. He’s more of a long-suffering man in the true Christian spirit of Dostoevsky and You Know Who who sacrifices for others with little complaint.

The Case Against MP

Police said they were looking for someone wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe. I have two photos of MP wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe.

Mike Patty black tennis shoes white stripe

MP’s black and white shoes from a distance.

MP’s lower right arm was badly scratched up right after the crime.

Scratches on Mike Pattys arm

Scratches on MP’s arm seen soon after the crime. Although I regard this man as innocent, I still have no explanation for these marks.

MP wore a watch on his left wrist. Soon after the crime, the watch was still there, but the clock  face seemed to have been ripped off the watch and all that was left was a partial watchband in the form of a bracelet.

Also his seeming lack of emotional response to his granddaughter being murdered is puzzling. A few months after the time, MP was thought to have an air of relief about him.

MP bears a very strong resemblance to Bridge Guy when photos are compared.

MP and Bridge Guy

Side by side comparisons of BG and MP show a remarkable resemblance.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby. She had run away from home many times, which was in part behind the muted response to her being missing. No one knows why she kept running away. Libby complained the MP stalked her. She also was known to hide when he came to see her. Some have suggested that this may mean that MP was having sex with his daughter.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby’s birth mother. MP was also said to be exasperated by the task of raising Libby.

MP is Liberty’s guardian, her own grandfather. His son CP may have been having sex with Libby according to statements he made on Facebook.

Cody Patty conversation about Libby

Statement by CP suggesting sex with an underage girl, possibly Libby.

Son is 28 years old. In the US, that man is a child molester and will go down on that charge and be registered sex offender for the rest of his life. CP may also have been having sex with Libby’s sister, now 16, starting when she was 13. He would have been an adult when possibly doing that too, and it was also illegal.

Kelsis story

Kelsi’s story. I think there is a longer version on the Net. A couple of local women told me that they thought the older man Kelsi was having sex with was CP.

According to this theory, Libby may have been killed to prevent a possible pregnancy or to keep her from going to authorities about the statutory rape.

The Case Against CP

CP and MP are both rumored to be involved in child pornography.

CP already has ~4 DUI’s at the young age of 28. Surely he has been in jail before. The DUI’s are at ~2 year intervals dating back to when he was ~20 years old. CP is a charming Alpha male player type with a bad boy air about him.

CP has some quite unsavory friends, including one in Lafayette who was arrested on 2-15 for possession of methamphetamine, sale of methamphetamine and having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old girl whom he also photographed. Photos were found on his phone.

Secondary Motive for MP

Secondary motive may be Satanism/occult. There is an occult circle in Carroll County that has been there for decades and holds regular outdoor meetings and ceremonies. Both MS and MP are rumored to be practicing Satanists and members of this occult circle. Probably not a primary motive, but they may have thought if they were going to kill them anyway, they might as well make it into a Satanic sacrifice.

Killed on the 13th: bad luck day, occult significance

32: add up numbers in kill date and get 32. 32 has occult significance, Day of Sacrifice

Abigail Williams: Abigail Williams, accuser in Salem witch trials, sent a number of women to their deaths who were accused of being witches. Satanists consider her an eternal enemy who sent many persons who they call witches to their deaths. They also say she was a traitor and a former witch herself. Now Abigail Williams lives as a 13 yr old girl in Indiana, and they get to kill their age old enemy, Abigail Williams.

Primary motive: The S’s motives are presently unknown. MP may killed Libby to protect CP from possible charges of statutory rape from Libby which would have sent him to prison for child molestation and put him on the Registered Sex Offender list for rest of life.

Ron Logan: Remember Oswald, “I’m just a patsy!”

Ivan Brumbaugh: Innocent, guilty of contaminating a crime scene.

Rejoinders to the charges against MP and CP:

Police said they were looking for someone wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe. I have two photos of MP wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe: MP’s shoes are actually not tennis shoes, but instead are high-top sneakers. I do not believe we are talking about the same shoes here.

Mike Patty black tennis shoes white stripe closeup

MP’s black shoes with white stripe from a distance.

MP’s lower right arm was badly scratched up right after the crime. Suggestion is his lower arm got torn up by a violent victim he was fighting with: People who know MP state that his arm has been this way for a long time as a result of weathering and a lifetime of hard work. They say these scars did not appear overnight but have been there for some time. In lieu of any evidence for the other theory, this seems to be the best explanation for these wounds.

Mike Patty broken watch

So called broken watch was actually a memorial bracelet from a charity bike ride on 2-15.

MP wore a watch on his left wrist. Soon after the crime, the watch was still there, but the clock  face seemed to have been ripped off the watch and all that was left was a partial watchband in the form of a bracelet. Suggestion is that the watch face was torn off by a victim he was tussling violently with: This is a matter of misidentification. MP apparently removed his watch after the crime. He acquired a memorial bracelet at the charity bike ride after the deaths. It is this bracelet that can be seen on his wrist, not a broken watch.

Mike Patty

This is the photograph where MP was said to have scratches on one arm and a broken watch on the other. See rejoinders above.

His seeming lack of emotional response to his granddaughter being murdered is puzzling: Many people are suspicious of MP’s behavior after the crime. However, given his solid alibis, I simply feel that people handle emotions in different ways. I have been accused of being a bit of a Doctor Spock myself, but I do have emotions, I assure you. I feel this is simply MP’s individual way of processing this trauma.

A few months after the time, MP was thought to have an air of relief about him. This suggests that he may have been relieved that his role in the crime was not found out: Given his solid alibi, I feel sure he was not involved. Perhaps the sense of relief is in the sense that his own trauma is fading as the events are starting to fade into memory and he is getting back to the business of living. Grieving is a sign of compassion and humanity, but life is for the living. Spinoza said as much. Regardless of your trauma, life must go on. The girls are gone no matter how MP processes this crime. He can be a broken man forever or he can move on, and the girls are not coming back either way. So there is no practical reason to ruin your own life over the death of another. You are just creating one more victim.

head down comparison 20

Striking resemblance of MP and the Bridge Guy.

MP bears a very strong resemblance to Bridge Guy when photos are compared: The photos of MP and Bridge Guy do show a remarkable resemblance. In fact, a fellow sleuth is so convinced by this analysis that he is certain that MP killed those girls. The problem here would only be known by those of us who have seen many such comparisons. The photo of BG is very poor. It seems half of Delphi and many men in the surrounding area and even up to 350 miles away show a striking resemblance to BG.

This is also not the first photo comparison I have seen showing a remarkable resemblance to a POI and Bridge Guy. I have seen at least three others where you would swear that man had to be BG. Obviously all three of these men cannot be BG. Saying someone looks like BG is of limited utility as so many fit the bill. Even photo lineups showing striking resemblances are not impressive as MP’s is the fourth one I have seen so far. Photos of men looking like BG and even comparisons like the above showing remarkable resemblances with BG are of limited utility.

Further, MP appears to have a rock solid alibi that he was at work at the time of the abduction when this photograph of BG was taken. Unless MP can be in two places at once somehow, he cannot possibly be BG, striking resemblances be damned.

In addition, MP seems much heavier than BG whose weight was estimated by an expert at 180 pounds. In addition, he does not seem to be a tall man. I do not know MP’s height, but I question whether is even 5’10, which is BG’s height. His height and weight would seem to rule out his being BG.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby. She had run away from home many times, which was in part behind the muted response to her being missing. No one knows why she kept running away. Libby complained the MP stalked her. She also was known to hide when he came to see her. Some have suggested that this may mean that MP was having sex with his daughter: MP and Libby had a difficult relationship, and she seemed frightened of him and accused him of stalking her. She hid from him when he came. This would seem to imply that not all was kosher with Dad and daughter in this household.

However, I think this is more a sign of over-parenting. Knowing his deeply religious background, MP may have been a strict stepfather. The stalking may have been him trying to keep tabs on a rebellious daughter. She may have been hiding from him if he was a strict disciplinarian. There is no evidence for what boils down to WAG’s that MP was having sex with his daughter, and it seems quite out of character for MP.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby’s birth mother. MP was also said to be exasperated by the task of raising Libby. Implication here is that by killing  Libby, MP was ridding himself of an exasperating problem. I must say that killing Libby would make MP’s life orders of magnitude worse, assuming he was caught, than the trying task of raising Libby.  MP also seems to be a true Christian long-suffering for good and the good of others sort. Dostoevsky says “the Christian must fail.” This means that in a world ruled by evil, the only way to win and get ahead is to be bad. Trying to be good is futile and will only end in poverty and failure. Although MP is not poor, his life is in line with this thinking that in an evil world, men dedicated to the good are bound to suffer.  This is probably part of his religious faith and he accepts it as such.

Possible Satanism/occult motive to the crime. Secondary motive may be Satanism/occult. There is an occult circle in Carroll County that has been there for decades and holds regular outdoor meetings and ceremonies. Both MS and MP are rumored to be practicing Satanists and members of this occult circle. Probably not a primary motive, but they may have thought if they were going to kill them anyway, they might as well make it into a Satanic sacrifice: For the life of me, I cannot see MP as a Satanism or even being involved in the occult in any way. I am just not buying it. He would have to live an extreme double life as both a deeply religious Christian and a Satanist. Just forget it.

Rejoinders to the Case Against CP

Cody Patty confessing to sex with Liberty German 2

Facebook post with CP stating he had sex with an underage girl. People who saw this said he was confessing to having sex with Libby.

MP is Liberty’s guardian, her own grandfather, His son CP may have been having sex with Libby. Son is 28 years old. In the US, that man is a child molester and will go down on that charge and be registered sex offender for the rest of his life. CP may also have been having sex with Libby’s sister, now 16, starting when she was 13. He was an adult when possibly doing that too, and it was also illegal. Libby may have been killed to prevent a possible pregnancy or to keep her from going to authorities about the statutory rape: A recent theory, the best theory so far, is that Abbie was pregnant, and the crime was a botched abortion. It sounds bizarre, but it makes more sense than anything prior.

Perhaps CP had sex with Libby. This may be suggested from Facebook posts where he admits to having had sex with a 14 year old girl. Bizarrely, this post was made on 2-14, the day the girls bodies were discovered. CP’s friends say he was just joking around and suggest that these are just lyrics to a song, possibly a rap song. CP is either not very smart or he has very poor taste to be making such statements after two young teenage girls were raped and murdered. Hence perhaps he and his father were worried about a possible sex charge and resulting RSO status for life. There may also have been a worry that Libby was pregnant.

The fact that CP and MP both have rock solid alibis for the crime period would seem to render this motive moot. Further, it is not even 100% certain that CP had sex with Libby, or if he did, if she was going to turn him in. Libby was almost surely not pregnant. If she was not pregnant, why would anyone worry that she was? This was always an interesting motive, but it has bit the dust with the excellent alibis of CP and MP.

Two local women told me that CP had sex with Libby and also was suspected to be the older man who Libby’s sister Kelsi wrote about having a long-term sexual affair with. CP’s friends deny that he has committed statutory rape, but there are a number of people in and around Delphi who state the opposite. At any rate, one of the possible victims is dead now, and dead girls can’t testify. The other girl is now older but was known for refusing to finger the man she was having sex with because she loved him. So CP seems in the clear even if the accusations are true, and we have no proof that they are. We only have rumors. At any rate, this case is about the rapes and murders of two young teenage girls. Statutory rape is another matter altogether and is frankly beyond the scope of this post and for that matter this amateur investigation we have going on here.

In addition, it is not even certain that CP had sex with any underage teenage girls ever, as his friends claim that his confession is just a joke.

I will say that CP does not seem have very good judgement and is no stranger to breaking the law.  He’s clearly spent months in jail, and his driver’s license is probably suspended for quite some time. He’s hardly an upstanding fellow, but I do not believe he is a murderer.

Cody Patty confessing to sex with Liberty German

A photo that some think shows a close relationship between Libby and CP. However, they were also cousins, though not related by blood. Cousins can be quite close.

CP and MP are both rumored to be involved in child pornography: This is quite a stunning charge, and no evidence has been provided for it. CP may like to have sex with underage girls and men who do so, often photograph their activities. So we are not talking about the real deal child pornography but instead media involving naked teenage girls or sex with teenage girls. If you have ever seen a photo of a naked teenage girl (there are many quite legal nudist photos on the Net if you wish to peek), it looks exactly like a naked woman. Any normal man would be aroused by such a thing, so it’s not abnormal to find this arousing.

Although CP may have taken such photos at such time, I very much doubt if MP did unless he led some double life. Perhaps MP had a double life, but I doubt it. Also MP does not seem to be a sexually obsessed fellow. He may well enjoy sex, but I don’t think he is into sex to the point where it becomes an obsession and a problem, sometimes with criminal overtones. I’m just not buying this.

CP has some quite unsavory friends, including one in Lafayette who was arrested on 2-15 for possession of methamphetamine, sale of methamphetamine and having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old girl whom he also photographed. Photos were found on his phone: Clearly CP is not an angel by any means. But having bad friends and being a rapist-murderer are two different things. Fortunately, we are not allowed to be charged with having criminal friends, or quite a few of us would be imprisoned.

CP already has ~4 DUI’s at the young age of 28. Surely he has been in jail before. The DUI’s are at ~2 year intervals dating back to when he was ~20 years old:  CP has worse problems with alcohol and driving as Ron Logan, and Ron is 50 years CP’s senior. CP is not getting off to a very good start in life. But being a drunk driver and being a rapist-murderer are two very different things, as the persecution of Ron Logan showed us.

CP is a charming Alpha male player type with a bad boy air about him: Many men are like this. Rakes are not the finest of men, and they are no doubt quite happy with that status. Even aging roues like me are not so exemplary. There’s a difference between being a bad boy and a bad man. Lots of us are bad boys. I still get called that, and I am almost 60. It may well be terminal in my case. Bad boys are mostly just rebels who live up to the Alpha male stereotype. Women love bad boys, much to their detriment, but their lust for scary men is part of what drives so many men to play the role. If we men are to be rewarded for acting like callous sociopaths, a lot of us will play that role, if only to get laid. Sorry ladies, this is just how men are. If you don’t like it, there’s always the YWCA.

The man who did this crime is surely a bad boy, but he is also something much worse – is a bad man. CP is quite a bad boy, but I doubt if he is a real bad man of the type that would do such a crime.

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No, You Cannot Libel the Dead

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

The dead cannot currently be defamed under English law. This is because defamation, whether it is libel or slander, is a personal action which cannot be assigned or brought on someone’s behalf. … Similarly, where a person commences defamation proceedings but passes away before a decision is reached, the action is abated.

I am now getting accused of libeling Abigail Williams, a dead person. How am I libeling her? I am accusing the poor thing of having sex!

Anyway, I am not accusing her of anything. I have my ear to the ground for the deepest and best rumors going around right inside of Delphi, and I am in connection with amateur sleuths who are doing some of the best work I have ever seen on this case. These people have reported to me that there is deep longstanding rumor in Delphi that Abigail Williams had a boyfriend for months. He is a 16 year old boy whose name is known. There is also a deep and near-secretive whispered rumor that Abbie was pregnant by this boy.

Who told me these diabolical rumors about this poor, untainted virgin maiden? Two women, Two middle aged women. That’s who’s spreading these vile rumors tarnishing the pure and untrammeled reputation of Miss Abigail Williams.

Go take it up with them. It’s your own gender, the females, who are spreading this stuff. I am just passing it along from someone else.

I’m not accusing anyone of anything. I am just saying that there is a rumor saying this and that. By the way, reporting of rumors is generally immune from libel law also, as long as they are stated as such. It’s almost impossible to win a libel case against any real journalist in the US. The free speech laws have been so widely by court precedent that you have to be pretty horrible to lose a libel suit.

Oh, the horrors! Can you imagine, a teenage girl having sex with a teenage boy! Their reputations would be ruined! I mean, that never happens, ever! Teenage girls never have sex with teenage boys!

We are a terribly puritanical culture when you are said to libel a sexually mature human being for stating the so called damaging information that they…! Oh my God! I can’t say the word because I am such an uptight prude! That word! That evil, gross, sickening word! That they had…they had…sex! Oh no, I said the word! Ew gross! What word? Sex! Shhhhhhhhhhhhh that’s an evil word. Don’t say that word! You will go to Hell! God will strike you down!

All you women screaming that a female can be libeled at all by accusing her of having sex, do you support ISIS? The Taliban? I mean that’s the way they think.

Got news for everyone here. There’s nothing wrong with having sex! There’s nothing wrong with any mature human having sex with another mature human, provided it is legal. I don’t even care if 13 and 14 year old girls have sex. Enough of them do anyway. I would just want them to make sure they don’t get pregnant. You can’t stop enormous natural human drives.

Telling mature people to not have sex is like telling to them to not eat, sleep or drink. Sex is a natural human function. It’s a good thing. It’s not an evil that sends you to Hell as so many women on here seem to think.

And it’s legal for underage teens to have sex with each other. Here in California, they can do it all they want. Nor should there be anything LE can do about it.

Teenagers have free sexual agency and should have the right to express their natural sexual desires and perform their normal sexual functions with other teenagers. Why do you want to make it against the law?

Are you a Puritan? A Victorian? A Comstock? A fuddy duddy? A prig? An uptight person? Are you repressed? Where are your sackcloths? Do you flagellate yourself? Are you frigid? Are you impotent? Do you lie there like a fish? Do you get off three seconds after you are in? Do you insist on doing it in the dark because you are so repressed? Are you a lousy lay? Why do you hate sex so much? Too much religion?

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Delphi Murders: Possible Motives

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the overwhelming majority of theories presented here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

I will try to sketch out the possible motives for the Delphi killings based on my latest theory. This theory explains the facts of the case better than any I have seen thus far. Now that does not mean it is true. This theory may be well be completely false as all of the other theories have been so far. But it’s worth looking into.

My new theory of this case comes from two middle aged local women who have done more research into this case than anyone I know. So these are not my theories. They are someone else’s. Nevertheless, I think they bear looking into. I have no idea if there is anything to this theory or not, but we need to look at all theories. That’s what real detectives do.

According to this theory, the key to this whole case is the pregnancy of Abbie Williams. Once you start to figure that out, you can start to figure out the case.

A strong rumor which I have heard exclusively from married women with children in and around Delphi is that Abbie Williams was pregnant. A recent elaboration of the rumor said that she was found to be pregnant on autopsy and the baby was determined to be that of Logan Holder, her 16 year old boyfriend. I would like to point out that this rumor derives not from me but from three women age 35-55, all living in Delphi or nearby, and all of whom are married with children. At least one woman is extremely conservative. If you have concerns with the reporting that Abbie was pregnant, please take it up with these women.

Like a sordid B movie, this whole case may revolve around the pregnancy of a very young teenage girl. Unless she had an abortion, her boyfriend, a 16 year old boy named Jason Holder, was looking at becoming a father at age 16 and a lifetime of child support.

Abbie may have refused to get an abortion. This may have become a serious problem. A problem that needed to be eliminated to preserve the reputation, freedom and finances of a young man and his family.

Now if you are reading this and thinking that the boy having sex with these two girls was the murderer of the girls, you would be wrong. I believe he did not participated in this crime. But other people may have, for the motive listed above.

Another possible motive is Satanism and the occult. The Satanism/occult theory is once again from the local women I know. I have no idea how accurate it is. I am just throwing it out there as a possible motive in the case, but I have no idea whether it was a motive at all here.

There is an active occult circle in Carroll County which has been there for decades. If you read up on this case, you will see locals talking about this occult circle and the many strange goings-on centering around them over the years. Strange things written on buildings, odd gatherings by moonlight in the forest – it’s all so strange and creepy. This Satanic circle is active to this day.

The way it ties into this crime is three of the leading male suspects in this crime, age 45 and 55, were reportedly active members of this circle and practicing Satanists. I can verify that at least two of these men, one age 46 and the other 55, are absolutely practicing Satanists. This can easily be determined by looking at their Facebook pages.

From here we may glean the numbers associated with this case like 13 and 32 and the strange killing of Abigail Williams, a 13 year old girl with the same name as a woman who may be one of the Satanists’ worst enemies. This woman is Abigail Williams, the woman who turned in many other women as witches in Salem resulting in the deaths of many of these women who were convicted of witchcraft. Since the Satanists could not get at the original Abigail Williams, perhaps they decided to kill her namesake to get at their enemy that way, 350 years later. I know it sounds strange, but people who are way off into Satanism are not exactly normal people.

However, I do think the occult angle, if it exists at all, is a secondary motive. These girls were killed for reasons centering around the sex life of one girl and the problems that resulted from that. The men were planning to kill them for that reason. Perhaps they thought that as long as they were going to commit a homicide anyway, they may as well make it a Satanic sacrifice to get that extra kick.

  • 13: The murder was committed on the 13th. Unlucky number, the worst unlucky number of them all. Occult significance.
  • 32: Add the numbers of the date of the killing together and you get 32. 32 is a very important number among Satanists. What it means is hard to ascertain, but one source I found said it represented Sacrifice, possibly a Day of Sacrifice.
  • Abigail Williams: 13 year old murder victim and namesake of a woman who may have been one of the Satanists’ worst enemies.
  • Crime scene photos: A Delphi resident obtained crime scene photos and posted them on his website for a short time. They were seen by a number of people who all independently corroborated what they saw. The website owner said that not only did Abbie have a stake in her stomach, implying an attempt to kill a fetus, but that the bodies were posed in an odd way that made him think this was an occult or Satanic killing.

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