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Delphi Murders Update July 23, 2017: Update on the Crime and a Profile of a Delphi Murders Suspect

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting really sick and tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and get off my site and don’t come back. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories, and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Notice: All of the really hot discussion and sleuthing on the site has headed over to the private password-protected forum, where our team of ~200 websleuths has been working on this case and has assembled a huge case against our suspect, including videos and many photographs. Instructions on how to get on the private forum.

This is a profile of a man who we feel is the best suspect in the double murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German in Delphi, Indiana on February 13, 2017. In also contains some new evidence on the crime and a new rundown of the crime itself.

New Information

But first of all, we have some new important information on a Vehicle of Interest in the crime.

Vehicle of Interest

We believe we have identified a Vehicle of Interest (VOI) in the Delphi Murders case. It is a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. This vehicle was spotted by a witness at the north end of the bridge at 3 PM on the day of the murders around the time the girls were killed. To our knowledge this is the only vehicle at the scene that was not cleared, so we believe it may be the Bridge Man’s car. We believe the car was a rental car, and the paper plates were stolen.

This same vehicle was also spotted seven miles south of Delphi in the early AM on the morning of the murders at a woman’s home. We believe that our suspect is in this photograph with the VOI. He was visiting a woman’s son, BH, at the home. The woman thought the suspect looked suspicious, so she photographed him and wrote down his license number. We have that license number, and we have several photographs of this vehicle with the suspect standing next to the trunk.

Later the woman’s son, BH, was swabbed for DNA by LE. Reports indicate that the woman who took the photo, shown photos of our main suspect and the man on the bridge, said our suspect was both the man by the car and the man on the bridge. However, her statements have been very inconsistent, and she is not the best witness out there.

One story is that this man was there to pick people up to go off in the woods near the bridge to make methamphetamine. However, I question that, and it has not been proven that our suspect is involved in manufacture of methamphetamine. Further, we are not even sure if our suspect is meth-involved at all.

However, it does appear that at some time later, the woman’s daughter M, her boyfriend KC and another man named TJF did leave (probably in a separate vehicle) to go make methamphetamine in the woods near the bridge. It does seem that there were two small teams making meth in the woods around the bridge sometime during the day or night of February 13. This is part of the “Meth Theory” according to which some of these people murdered the two girls. I am quite dubious of the Meth Theory of the Delphi Murders.

We believe that the car photographed may have been the same car used in the crime. We investigated the license plate and traced it back to the nearby city of Kokomo. We believe that the license plate was either stolen in Kokomo or provided by someone in that town. The license number is #G908510. At the time of the crime, the license plate was still valid, but it expired in April. We believe these plates have probably been discarded. This information has been shared with LE, but we have no idea if LE agrees with us that this may be the VOI in the crime. This is simply the car that the Beyond Highbrow team of ~200 websleuths believes may be the VOI.

We have reason to believe that LE may be interested in this photograph although they have not made any statements about these photos. Nevertheless, we feel that if you recognize the man in the photo or if you saw this vehicle or license number around the time of the crime, we think you should notify LE. We also would also like to talk to you. Contact information for this site is on the Contact page.

If you are innocent and you are the man in the photo, or if that is your vehicle, or that was your license plate number, we feel you should go to LE and inform them of that so you are no longer under suspicion. Nevertheless, we have serious doubts that an innocent man, vehicle or license # is in this photo.

It is correct that LE has not released any information about this photo, but perhaps they may in the future. Although these photos have been released on some Facebook fora, they have sparked little interest. We have been holding these photos for a long time and were afraid to release them for fear of interfering with the investigation. However, with the release of the composite and after thinking long and hard, we are having a hard time understanding how releasing this information harms the case. Instead, it may well prompt more tips. Also, MSM news sites may pick up on this story, which may prompt even more tips.

At least some of us sleuths here sometimes work with LE on this case. We cooperate fully with LE on all of these posts. After publication, LE was asked if they wanted us to take down any photos or information on this page due to possible harm to the investigation. We were not told to withhold any of the information or photos here, so we are going to continue publishing this material until we are told to stop. These photos were specifically turned over to LE on Friday morning, July 21.

White Dart in Delphi 2-13

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 5

Dodge Dart 2-12

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 4

White Dodge Dart 2-13

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI)  3

White Dodge Dart rental car

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 2.

White Dart with license #

Photo of Vehicle of Interest (VOI) 1. Photo taken in the early AM seven miles south of Delphi, Indiana on 2-13-17, eight hours before the Delphi murders occurred in that same town. The person was at a woman’s house visiting the woman’s son, a man named BH. An identical vehicle was seen at the crime scene at the time of the crime. We believe that this may be the vehicle used by the man on the bridge in the crime. We believe that the man in this photo may be the man on the bridge. The license # is written on the photo.

 

The Actual Murders

Items Owned by the Girls

We doubt if Libby’s phone was recovered by LE. We believe all of the information on the phone was taken from the Cloud before the phone died. We believe her phone was taken by the killer. We continue to believe that he may have disposed of it in a gravel pit lake on the Mears property next door to Ron Logan’s property. We do not believe that LE has yet searched or drained this lake. They would probably need a warrant to do that, and I doubt if the Mears wish to give LE permission to search or drain that lake.

The Audiotape of the Crime

One of the victim’s family was allowed to hear only the first six minutes of the audio. It is from the following listening session that we have learned the following:

Only six minutes of the 40 minute video are known. After the killer say, “Down the hill,” there are only the sounds of people walking through the forest for several minutes. There are muffled voices of more than one person talking at this time, although it is hard to make out what anyone is saying. Towards the end of the six minutes, the Bridge Man and the girls can be heard crossing the creek, which was knee-high where they crossed, albeit icy cold.

At some around this period, you hear both girls screaming on the audio, probably before the attack took place. Why no one heard these screams is not known. We believe the actual attack started after the three had crossed the creek. It is unknown what prompted the attack. We believe that the first attack consisted of a knife attack to the back of the neck of one of the girls, and the victim went right down after this attack. It is not known what is on the rest of the audio, but it appears to consist of the sounds of the two murders taking place. Both murders were apparently caught on audio in full.

Rumors

The following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed. Most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. However, the rumors in italics are apparently true to the best of our knowledge:

Probably or Fully True Rumors

Both girls were disrobed either partially or fully. One was naked, but the other had a top on. Both girls were bottomless, and the panties of both girls were found at some distance from the crime scene. Some of the girls’ clothing was found in the creek.

One girl was propped up against a tree in a sitting position.

One girl had the top half of her body covered with leaves.

There was blood and dirt under Liberty’s nails and dirt under Abbie’s nails. Abbie’s nails were badly torn up.

One girl had an F carved or burned into her chest.

Police believe that Libby had 4-5 chances to escape, but did not flee because she was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster. In real life, they were inseparable.

One or possibly both girls had their throats slit. One girl’s throat was so badly cut that she was nearly decapitated.

More Uncertain But Plausible Rumors

At some point, at least one of the girls was stricken with the blunt end of a gun.

At least one of the girls had the back of her head badly bashed in with a heavy object, possibly a rock.

A stake was driven vertically into the abdomen of one of the girls by the killer who was standing over her body. This is another persistent rumor that we have made great efforts to refute but still have not been able to.

One girl had a knife wound to the heart and another to the jugular vein in her throat.

Both girls were beaten nearly beyond recognition.

This stake to the stomach is one of the reasons for the consistent rumors that one of the girls was pregnant. It is not known if either girl was in the early stages of pregnancy, however this is a persistent rumor that we have not been able to refute despite our best efforts to do so. The rumor initially stated that one girl was pregnant, but now it says that the other girl was pregnant. Another rumor is that part of the attack was set off by the killer becoming enraged when he found out one girl was pregnant. How he found this out is not known, but perhaps she told him in an effort to spare her life.

The killer used some sort of strong chemical to try to destroy any of his DNA left at the scene.

The girls were  “posed” in the crime scene.

Inconsistent Rumors

There are inconsistent rumors of whether the girls were sexually assaulted. One rumor says they were, and in fact, it goes into some detail about what happened during and after the assault. We will not go into the details of this rumor at the moment for obvious reasons. But the latest rumor, apparently from an excellent source, is that the girls were not sexually assaulted.

The Bridge Man and Our Suspect: Too Many Coincidences

We believe that the Bridge Man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town. The suspect formerly worked at Indiana Packers for a significant period of time from the mid-90’s to mid 2000’s and may have retained work boots from that job.

We believe that the Bridge Man is a fisherman. The suspect is an avid fisherman almost to the point of obsession and fanaticism.

The Bridge Man is definitely left-handed. The suspect is also left-handed. Actually he is ambidextrous, but he prefers his left hand.

The Bridge Man is bowlegged. The suspect is also bowlegged, probably from extensive horse riding as a youth. We have a photograph of the suspect next to a horse. The suspect grew up right around the area of the crime in the vicinity of a lot of horses.

The Bridge Man is duck-footed; that is, his feet go outward when he walks. The suspect is also duck-footed.

The Bridge Man has an injury to his left knee which is obvious in the moving gif’s of him walking on the bridge. The suspect also has a serious injury to his left knee, has several deep stitches on it, and sometimes wears a brace. We have a photograph of the suspect’s scarred left knee and a photograph of the suspect wearing what appears to be a knee brace on his left knee.

The Bridge Man is 50-60 years old. The suspect is 52 years old.

The Bridge Man is 5’8 – 5’10 and weighs 180-220 pounds. The suspect is 5’8, and when last weighed was 170 pounds, but that was a few years ago, and he seems to have gained weight after his recent release from prison.

The Bridge Man appears to be in good shape for his age based on the way he easily navigates the rickety, frightening bridge. Being an avid outdoorsman, the suspect has been in great shape his whole life, but he has developed a paunch as a recent middle-aged development.

The Bridge Man smokes and is smoking during the crime. He may also smoke cigarillos, as a cigarillo wrapper was found at the scene. The suspect also smokes, and he does smoke cigarillos. We have a video of the suspect smoking a cigarillo.

We believe that a white compact vehicle may have been used by the Bridge Man to commit this crime. The suspect was photographed the night before the crime in Indianapolis, and the photographs were posted to a social media page the night of the crime. We have two of these photographs. In one of these photographs, the suspect is standing next to a white compact car. We believe that this photograph was used by the suspect to foreshadow the crime he intended to commit the next day by leaving a tantalizing clue, which is something that he loves to do.

In the number and strangeness of the tantalizing clues this suspect leaves about his crimes, the suspect resembles the Zodiac Killer, the BTK Killer and others. The suspect also likes to ridicule and mock LE. If this case ever goes to trial, it may go down in history on the same level as those other crimes where the criminal left clues behind to tease and taunt LE.

We have quite a few more coincidences between the suspect and the Bridge Man, but we do not want to release that material now due to fears of harming the investigation. All of our material was officially turned over to LE on Friday, July 21.

More About the Man on the Bridge

Although the Bridge Man is said to be wearing a fanny pack in the bridge photo, he is actually wearing what is called a deer kit. This typically contains scissors, knives, etc. for cutting up the game that the hunter has killed, and the Bridge Man’s pack may have contained similar items. He may have used some of these items to cut up the girls.

We know the Bridge Man is left-handed because he has a left-handed gun holster strapped to his right side with a semiautomatic pistol in it. We believe we know more about this holster but are not releasing it for now.

We know the Bridge Man has a gun on him as it can clearly be seen in outline under his jacket. We believe we know more about this gun but are not releasing it now.

We believe that the Bridge Man’s gun is either unregistered or stolen. If stolen, we believe he may have stolen it from Ron Logan somehow. If this is true, we do not understand this aspect of the case.

We know much more about the Bridge Man but are not releasing it due to fears of harming the investigation. All of this information was officially turned over to LE on Friday, July 21.

The Suspect

Suspect’s Background and Life Story

The suspect resides within a 20 mile radius of Delphi.

The suspect is a former resident who grew up in Delphi right around the area of the crime and still knows all of the landowners around there, including Ron Logan, Marvin Sandifur, the Mearses, and Ivan Brumbaugh. The suspect is either Amish (shunned), German Baptist or is strongly associated with one of those communities. He knows the area around the crime scene, including Logan’s land, Deer Creek itself, and the bridge like the back of his hand.

The suspect has a low education level but probably graduated from high school.

The suspect had a very messy divorce with his ex-wife, including violent child custody issues. The suspect did a short stint in prison for badly assaulting his ex-wife.

The suspect has a long record of mostly minor crimes with some jail stints and one short prison stint. All crimes were committed in Indiana. Crimes were mostly repeated drunk driving but also assault and harassment charges. All of his ex-wives have no-contact orders against him, which implies domestic violence on his part in each case.

In terms of crimes for which he has not been caught, he has been accused of petty theft. We also have suspicions that he has been involved in arson, perhaps multiple arsons and that one or more of these arsons has resulted in homicide. We believe he may be a serial killer, and we suspect he may have been involved in another at the very least one other multiple murder in the local area. We are currently investigating his background to look for other possible crimes he may be tied to, especially arsons and homicides.

The suspect is no longer employed and is on disability, but in the past he worked at different jobs, including handyman and electrician.

Suspect – Social Aspects

The suspect has strong, warm feelings towards his two grown children and seems to have a great relationship with them.

The suspect has a new girlfriend about his age who may be a native of the region. She is a kind, sweet, gentle lady who absolutely adores the suspect and nearly worships him as a god. They appear to have a stable, warm, loving relationship. She is apparently completely clueless about his dark side.

Relations with the ex-wife are not known, although both the suspect and the ex-wife showed up for his son’s recent high school graduation. Some say that the suspect has strong hatred for his ex-wife, but this is uncertain.

The suspect has a circle of warm friends with whom he has good relations. These are very masculine, tough, hard, outdoorsy men of about the same age who think he is completely on the up and up. He’s fooling them all.

The suspect can seem quite warm and friendly, “like your best friend.” He is easy to befriend, when befriended seems charming and disarming, and seems increasingly harmless the more you get to know him.

Suspect – Psychological Profile

The subject has Axis 2 Cluster B pathology. The suspect is a psychopath and has narcissism/Narcissistic Personality Disorder/Malignant Narcissism. He has no Axis 1 Disorders. He is not psychotic. In fact, he is very sane, almost too sane, and that is part of how he gets away with his crimes. There are no signs of mood disorder. The suspect appears calm with little or no anxiety issues.

The suspect is strongly heterosexual. Although rage and hatred towards females seems apparent with the crime the suspect committed, these feelings are otherwise not obvious in his life. The suspect sometimes displays hostility to women. A lot of men do this when provoked, but he does it with little provocation, and his reactions are quite extreme, often including vague rape and death threats.

The suspect is very masculine in the manner of many middle-aged men in the area. He is a hard, tough man who uses foul language and has a rough and sometimes menacing way of speaking.

The suspect seems normal, but the following concepts also describe him well: sneaky, devious, unreadable, slick, bad boy, naughty, playful, outlaw, gleam in his eye, and rebellious. He appears to be hiding something or keeping a secret. There is a general feeling of what you see is not what you get.

The suspect is the ultimate chameleon. He is an enigma, puzzling and hard to figure out, an actor who sees life as a series of roles. He does not appear suspicious to most observers. Instead he hides in plain sight and blends right in with society. He is very capable of fooling people, an Academy award-winning actor who sees life is an endless series of roles to be played based on whatever the needs of the given situation may be.

The suspect is capable of fooling people so easily because he is a sneaky, devious, underhanded, conspiring and plotting man. Most of his actions are well plotted and planned, even calculated to the point of being choreographed. The suspect displays little spontaneity other than regular rages.

His IQ is surely within the 84-116 normal range (2/3 of the population) and probably within the 90-110 range (half the population), though he may be towards the lower end. However, the suspect is much more intelligent than he appears and possesses a sheer animal, devious, and cunning intelligence. In terms of this sort of intelligence, he has a genius IQ. He is a very hard man to fool, and he is an expert at reading others.

The suspect has a violent hair-trigger temper which can be set off at any time with little provocation. Although he has committed acts of serious violence in the past, this temper nevertheless generally takes a verbal rather than physical form and consists of menace, threats, stalking, harassment, terrorizing and intimidation.

The suspect takes little or no responsibility for his actions and blames others for everything. He attacks others and then claims to be acting in self-defense.

The suspect is a pathological liar. Truth is mixed in with lies and fabrications to the point where he believes his own lies and even gets caught in them. Reactions when caught in his pathological lying are temper tantrums, rage, ranting, and veiled threats via angry and menacing language.

In his court cases, the suspect engaged in shameless, pathological, defensive lying and blaming of others.

The suspect has the following life themes: You can’t win, They’ve got it in for me, Life is a game, I’m fooling them.

Suspect – Verbal Style

The suspect has a versatile verbal style and can seem sentimental, poetic, moving and even philosophical. He is capable of fooling people into thinking he is a person who cares deeply about life’s small and kind wonders.

Verbal defenses are denial, rage, rants, and especially redirection. Other defenses include an excellent ability at distracting people and directing attention away from what is important. For this, he utilizes red herrings, irrelevancies, redirection, minor details, fussing, wrong turns, wrong directions, wrong way streets, and misdirection.

The suspect is also a storyteller and likes to tell long, rambling, colorful, Mark Twain-style stories that tell it like it is about what seem to be ordinary people and communities but in fact are anything but. He can be entertaining in this role. He turns off some who find him a quasi-literate blowhard, but others find him endearing, as his stories could be seen as charming.

The motivation for this crime is hard to figure out, but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers. Although there is no evidence yet that the Bridge Man has killed other people beyond this crime, he certainly may have. Hence we believe the suspect is a “serial killer type” instead of a serial killer. In that case, the motivation for the crime is that of a sexually sadistic psychopathic serial type killer.

Suspect – Appearance, Lifestyle, Habits, Beliefs and Opinions

Appearance

The suspect has one large tattoo on his upper right front shoulder. We do not know what this is a tattoo of.

Lifestyle

The suspect has some sort of gang ties with the Aryan Brotherhood (AB), possibly as a result of his incarceration. We have photographs of the suspect throwing Aryan Brotherhood gang signs. Nevertheless, we have little evidence that he is a White Supremacist, and on his social media pages, he comes across as an anti-racist, even a coastal liberal variety. He may have only joined the AB for protection in prison.

The suspect appears to be a carefree practical joker who lives a playful, laid back, easy-going lifestyle where most things are jokes, and little is to be taken seriously. He is the life of the party.

Habits

The suspect is a regular drug user. He mostly uses marijuana, which he enjoys a lot.

The suspect was formerly a very heavy drinker, and many problems, especially legal ones, resulted from this. We believe he may now be sober.

Beliefs and  Opinions

The suspect’s philosophical outlook can be summed up as a cynical one that humans are lowly animals who are corrupt at their core and are driven by low, base interests. He accuses LE and small town government people in the local area of being incorrigibly corrupt. His reaction to the picture he paints of Tobacco Road sleaze in the underbelly of Mayberry RFD small town White America is offended, cynical, fatalistic and somewhat disgusted – the good citizen outraged by omnipresent sleazy corruption.

The suspect has a very low opinion of LE in Delphi and the surrounding area, as he claims that they ran him out of town as a habitual drunk driving offender. He has a grudge against local LE.

The suspect’s political beliefs are quite liberal. He comes across as an aging hippie type, unusual for Indiana.

Suspect – Role in the Investigation

The suspect has inserted himself deeply in the investigation to an almost unprecedented degree. He is now one of the most well-known people who are “trying to find the killer.” In part this is being done to try to divert attention away from himself, but another factor seems to be narcissism, possibly even Malignant Narcissism, which means he can’t help himself. He loves the limelight and the sound of his own voice, is something of a publicity hound, likes the idea that he is hiding right under the noses of everyone and getting away with it, and thinks this is all some sort of a joke.

The suspect’s attitude towards the investigation is hard to figure. We believe he is nervous and fearful of being caught but also sees the whole thing as a hilarious game of cat and mouse. He’s fooling LE and all of society, getting away with murder, and hiding right under their noses. He also seems to be playing a game of, “Neener neener. I’m the killer, and you’ll never catch me ha ha!” In this sense he resembles the Zodiac Killer and the BTK Killer.

The suspect sought out LE (FBI) early in the investigation in order to leave a tip. We have a video of him calling in this phone tip.

We believe he did this as part of a plan to frame an innocent man. We believe he was originally going to commit this crime and then lay low, but that changed after he was photographed and recorded on audio. Over the next month we believe he then formulated an elaborate case to try to frame an innocent man, a former workmate who he had had a falling out with. This consisted of a very long and elaborate theory which did not make much sense on examination. Further, the man he attempted to frame did not seem like the type to do such a crime. The suspect also included a number of videos as part of this plan. He then went out on the Internet and tried to promulgate this theory on a number of websites and on Facebook and Youtube. He was fairly successful at this until some people started catching on to his scheme.

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New Serial Killer Unveiled

Cosmo DiNardo. 

Wow. Crazy case. Just now hearing about it for the first time. 20 year old man, killed his first two men at age 15. Well that’s getting off to an early start in life! This young man showed some promise early on! Serials who start killing as kids are especially bad. Bundy probably committed his first murder at age 14 in his hometown of Washington. It was a 9 year old girl. It’s not been proven that he did it, but the evidence is at least convincing enough for me. He did it. This was one homicide that Ted would never admit to.

He mostly killed teenage girls and young women, and I suppose he thought that was somewhat reputable, though one of the crimes that gave him the death penalty was the rape and murder of a 12 year old girl in Florida. But 12 is close enough to 13, so I don’t think he was actually pedophilic. He did kill that 9 year old girl at age 14 though. But when a 14 year old boy has sex with a 9 year old girl, the boy is not typically pedophilic. He’s just a teenage boy with some very low morals and probably Cluster B personality disorder traits (narcissism, sociopathy). I believe that Ted thought killing little girls was below his narcissistic image of himself. I mean sure he kills teenage girls and young women. Hey, that’s understandable, right? I mean a lot guys want to do that. But a little girl? A child killer? Those are the worst of the worst of the sickos.

I also believe that Bundy killed some young women back East when he was in college. This was before the first murder he was formally linked with. He was at the scene on summer vacation when they were killed and they were killed in the standard Bundy manner.

Turns out DiNardo killed two people at age 15 for unknown reasons. Then a murder of one young man just recently. Then three men all murdered at once two days later. DiNardo and a cousin, Sean Michael Kratz, lured the three men to their doom with promises of marijuana purchases. Once they three men arrived at the location, they were all killed.

The men tried to destroy the bodies, running over one man with a backhoe. They used a backhoe to put them all in a tank, set all four bodies on fire, and buried the 12 feet under, double the requirement. Despite the impressive efforts to destroy the bodies, the bodies were not destroyed. Kratz and DiNardo both turned on each other under questioning, and both are charged with murder. Kratz is a mass murderer, and it looks like DiNardo is a serial, though all of these definitions are awful hazy.

Motive is unknown in all four known homicides and the two new ones he has confessed to. Maybe he just likes hunting humans. Hunting is a popular sport in the US. Most just hunt lower animals thank God, but others hunt the most dangerous game of them all. Humans.

One of the main problems with homicide is, “What the Hell are you going to do with the body(s)?” If you kill someone out in the open a long ways away from where you live, you can always just leave the body out there.

Or if you are smart, you will disappear the bodies. Bodies disappear all the time, and I am not quite sure how it’s done. Disappearing bodies is an impressive skill, and most killers and not very good at it.

Kill someone in your house? Way to go, Sherlock. Now you have a 200 pound dead body on your hands. Ever tried to lift a 200 pound person? You can’t. This is why so many killers just chop ’em up. They are often doing this not because they are sickos but because if you chop your body up into smaller pieces, it’s a lot easier to carry around and dispose of. Now what? Leave it in your house? Bad idea. The smell for one. You kill in your house, now you need to chop the body up and put it in a plastic bag for transportation. First you have to get it out to your vehicle. Make sure none of your neighbors sees you! Whoops!

Then you drive to some remote spot somewhere and body dump. Or better yet, bury it in a shallow grave. Best of all, toss it in some body of water like a river or a lake. You get rid of all the evidence, and it might never be found.

Hell, killing is probably the easy part. The real difficult part of the job is getting rid of that damn body. Surely not an easy task!

But don’t too cocky, all you latent killers out there. You do not even need a corpse to be convicted of homicide. A number of people have gone down on homicide even though the body was never found. It was just assumed based on all evidence that the person must have killed the missing person.

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Updated July 16: Profile of the Evansdale Child Killer

This is an update to my previous profile. The previous profile was of the Evansdale Child Killer, but I also thought maybe he was responsible for the Delphi Murders. I have now decided that he was not involved in the Delphi Murders at all despite a remarkable set of coincidences between the two. However, I continue to believe that he did the Evansdale Child Murders either alone or with an accomplice.

I have added quite a few things to the profile and I removed all references to the Delphi crimes. I have more to add, so this may be updated later.

Note to commenters: Please stop referring to Unsub as a pedophile. He may well be one, but that’s something that can be determined from this crime as it was not a pedophilic offense. Instead, this was a hebephilic offense. And the perpetrator could certainly be seen as a hebephile, although he’s not necessarily one. If you want to refer to the nature of the offense, use the word hebephilic instead of pedophilic. If you wish to refer to Unsub’s paraphilia, please refer to him as a hebephile and not a pedophile.

Thank you so much for this. I am getting tired of words being misused. And now we are being scientific on the board.

Note 2 to commenters: I am really getting sick and tired of saying this, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. The only thing that is represented as fact as statements sourced from LE or the media.

And incidentally, the way I wrote up the case is precisely how detectives work a case. Detectives do not work cases using the scientific method. If they did, they would hardly solve one case. It’s more “We believe this for now…this is true for now…at the moment, this is what we think happened…we believe…” They are throwing out endless theories about what really happened and accepting them as (temporary) facts. They are then continuously revising and throwing out theories and creating new ones.

Being  a detective is about being wrong. Not just once, but being wrong over and over so many times your head will want to come off. If you can’t handle being wrong, then detective work is surely not for you. Finally detectives arrive at enough information to file a case against someone, but a lot of that is not factual either. They believe he did the crime. They believe that this, that, or the other happened with no way to really prove it – it’s just what they conjecture.

If he is convicted, then the theory that he did the crime is validated as fact, but I am not sure what other evidence is. And even court decisions are not scientific fact because they get overturned all the time. There are not a whole lot of 100% certain, clear scientific facts in LE work, detective work on the judicial system itself. A good portion of the decisions made turn out to be theories, temporary but unstable facts, beliefs, hunches and guesswork, all represented as fact in the court.

If you have issues with theories, opinions and what not, just quit reading and get the Hell off my site right now and never come back. I am really getting sick and tired of this BS.

Profile of the Evansdale Child Killer

by Robert Lindsay

The initial Unsub profile of the Evansdale Child Killer was written on February 25 with an update on February 28. I have updated it a lot with new information. Major changes were made in the profile.

I have been wrong many times in the past about all sorts of things, and of course I could be completely wrong about this too. But this time, I do strongly believe that the Unsub described below may be the man responsible for both of this crime.  

I am not a professional in this area. I am amateur, a dilettante. This is done more for my own entertainment as a hobby than as a profession. I do not claim that this profile is an accurate behavioral profile of the Unsub of the sort that the FBI produces regularly. I am just some amateur who is fooling around. So keep that in mind.

I am not stating this as fact. Things below may or may not be true. I believe much of the below is true because I have been able to document it as fact. Other things are more up in the air and are simply opinions that are strongly held by me. 

Profile

First of all, let us look briefly at the crime.

More than one killer? This is not known. The fact that Unsub may be a member of a network of pedophiles adds weight to the theory that he may have had a partner. Perhaps the network brings men together who share common criminal interests.

Purpose of killings? There has been much suggestion of why these killings occurred, to try to prevent identification, for sex trafficking, or a mistake because one of the girls ran, scream or freaked out. None of these are true. This pair of girls was abducted for the specific purpose of rape and murder for thrills. These were thrill kills. Unsub is the sort of man who gets a strong erection when he thinks about raping and murdering little girls. This is what gets him off. As the intention was murder from the start, sadly neither girl stood a chance.

How did Unsub arrive at the crime scene? He drove to it with his vehicle, parked it near the abduction site, and abducted the girls.

Where are the girls raped and murdered? I believe that both girls were quickly removed from the abduction sites and taken away somewhere to a motorhome where they were raped and murdered. These motorhome was parked in a remote, out of the way place for three weeks. At some point during this three week period, the girls were raped and killed.

Disposition of victims. After he raped and murdered the girls, he drove them to a dump spot. In Evansdale, it was 20 miles away from the abduction site.

Body dump spot: The bodies were dumped at near a stream in a park.

Abduction zone: Unsub committed his abductions in parks near bodies of water like streams, that have one or more bridges, especially railroad bridges.

Dump zone: After he killed the girls, he dumped the bodies 20 miles away.

Crime time: The crime was committed on the 13th of the month, possibly because 13 is an unlucky number. The crimes were committed on Friday the 13th, which is an especially unlucky day.

Sick humor: Unsub seems to have a sick sense of humor. He abducts and kills on unlucky days like the 13th as if to say, “This is your unlucky day, girls! Rape and murder, ha ha!”

Left town and did not come back for some time: Unsub left town the day of the abductions. No one knew where he was, but I believe that he took the girls away in his motorhome to a very remote place where he raped and tortured them. He stayed there for three weeks. At some point, in this three week period, the girls were raped and murdered. He was not seen at any point while he in this remote place.

Destroys evidence by three weeks: Unsub worked very carefully to remove all evidence within three weeks of the killings. He sold the motorhome three weeks after the abduction, but first he cleaned it very thoroughly, wiping down the whole structure. removing newspapers or pillows from the windows and throwing away all sheets.

Method of killing:  Unknown. I believe he really enjoys this part of the crime. This is where the crime reaches an ultimate peak experience for Unsub, a once in a lifetime great feeling or rush.

Unsub is 59 years old.

Unsub is a pedophile, a heterosexual pedophile. He likes little girls from age 2-12, mostly around age 6-10.

Unsub may be a nonpreferential pedophile. That means he is may also attracted to adult females, and he may enjoy having sex with them regularly. Not all pedophiles are exclusive. Nevertheless, his sexual preference is for girls age 6-10. His attraction to adult females is lower than to little girls, but may still be adequate for adult heterosexual functioning. He does not like women his own age though. If approached by a woman his own age, he will tell her that he only dates young women. If he dates adult women at all, he will probably confine himself to the youngest ones possible. He has had sex with boys in the past, but only if he dresses them up in girls’ clothes so they look like girls, as he is a heterosexual pedophile

Unsub is also sexual sadist. He has been a sexual sadist since no later than age 14, but he has been repressing the sexual sadism at least to the extent of not being murderous. At some point before five years ago, this control has broken down and is no longer repressed. This has coincided with an increasingly menacing look to him.

In appearance, Unsub is balding with white hair. In the past, he had stringy long blond hair. He had a goatee and mustache in recent years, but lately he has shaved most of it off except for a mustache and bit of a goatee.

Unsub looks downward instead of looking people straight in the eye. This could give the impression of “looking down at others.” This is intentional, as I feel that Unsub does indeed look down on others. He thinks very highly of himself, is narcissistic and thinks he is better than others. He also thinks he can outsmart police, and I believe he has been doing just that for the last five years when he has been getting away with murder.

Unsub altered his appearance since the Evansdale murders. In the past he had rather long stringy blond hair, a mustache and a goatee. He altered his appearance after the  Evansdale killings by shaving off the beard.

In the past, Unsub was often smiling and seemed happy go lucky. He looked harmless enough. He was surely molesting children, but he was not violent yet, so his face remained open and friendly.

In recent years, Unsub’s face has gotten angrier. He has been slowly developing an air of menace. This is because he has been transforming from a nonviolent pedophile into a violent pedophile. While in the past his fantasies were about non-coerced sex with children, they have now turned much more violent, and now he mostly fantasizes about rape and murder of girls age 6-10. Why he changed from a nonviolent to a violent pedophile is not known.

Unsub was paunchy for most of his adult life from age 40 on. Around 15 years ago at age 45 and probably for some time prior, he was heavier. His excess weight mostly went to his width, so he looked something like a football lineman. After age 45, he lost a lot of that weight. He has retained somewhat of a paunch since at least age 40. From 2012-present, he remained with this thinner frame, but I believe he retains a paunch to this day.

Unsub is not a happy serial killer. Instead he is a tormented one. Since the murders, he has grown much darker. He has also aged prematurely and looks much older than he did even a few years prior to the murders. His smile is gone and has been replaced by a look of sadness and especially rage. Now he looks downright mean. His friends have reacted to this by telling him he has aged. Others said things like, “Cheer up! Smile!”

Somehow this double homicide aged him and made him much sadder and angrier. This means that the Evansdale killings significantly stressed him out. Even though these type of crimes stress him out, he still commits them. That is because he is driven in some way to commit crimes like this. It is a sort of addiction. He is addicted to rape and murder.

Unsub has few hobbies other than pedophilia. He likes to hang out in local places like taverns, coffee shops, pool halls, etc. Here he likes to relax with friends and shoot the bull. He is a member of a pool-shooting league.

Unsub’s writing appears somewhat uneducated. He makes some spelling errors that an educated American never makes. However, in his rural Iowa area, he is about as educated as most people he knows, as most of them write about as poorly as he does.

His IQ is not particularly high. It is probably ~105-110, but he probably acts less intelligent than that. This can be seen in his poor writing style.

Unsub graduated from high school. He graduated from a religious college. Unsub is not good at completing scholarly tasks. He starts them and quits or takes a long time to fulfill his educational goals. For instance, he took 10-15 years to complete a four year college degree. He has a hard time sticking to tasks and has a tendency to drag things out. Why he does this is not known.

Unsub’s employment is working class. He repairs objects in some way. He is quite good mechanically. He works as a computer consultant or repairman, a mechanic, a truck or school bus driver, or at a factory.

However, he has the same desultory attitude towards work as he has towards school. Bottom line is that Unsub is a bit lazy. He would rather kick back and enjoy himself than work or go to school. He has a problem with sticking to either work  or school. Many tasks are started but never finished, but this does not bother Unsub much.

Unsub has not always been like this. This lackadaisical style developed in middle age. As a young man, he was much more productive. At one point he even owned his own business. I am not sure about how successful this business was though.

Unsub was in the US military. He participated in one of our Middle Eastern wars. I do not know when he joined the military. However, he  suffered some sort of an injury in service and was sectioned out. This was about 25 years ago.

I believe Unsub is quite religious. He is an evangelical Protestant Christian like so many in the surrounding area. He graduated from a religious college. He is probably very active in his local church, where he is regarded no doubt regarded as a great man. He probably has a number of friends through this church. How he reconciles his strong religious faith with raping and murdering little girls is hard to figure.

Although he has been losing his looks since his mid-50’s, Unsub was an attractive man until quite recently. He had a sexy appearance in a sort of bad boy, devilish way. He appeared masculine and handsome in a tough guy way.

Women in the local area were attracted to him due to his good looks. Even after age 50, he continued to attract attractive, sexy women all the way down to age 30. A number of the local younger women used to think he is “hot” or “cute.” No doubt this has gone to his head somewhat, and he thinks of himself as a ladies man.

Unsub is a fixated pedophile and has been so since age 14 at the latest. His pedophilia is one of the major themes of his life. I do not believe he has been controlling his pedophilia, and I think he has been molesting girls for quite some time. He may have gotten quite good at it. I believe that many people do not realize that he is a pedophile. He is still probably close to some members of his family and their friends. They probably do not suspect him of being a pedophile.

Unsub has married two, and he has a number of children and stepchildren through these marriages. Relations with one ex-wife probably are not good. The marriage ended bitterly, and there were some court battles with the ex-wife accusing Unsub of various outrages in an attempt to get full custody of the children. They had joint custody for a while, but there were big scenes and battles associated with this, so it didn’t work out well. Unsub and the ex-wife have engaged in big fights in public in broad daylight.

At least one of his ex-wives has a low opinion of him. This is because she has experienced his sociopathy firsthand. Unsub was been very mean and cruel to her during their marriage.

This ex-wife is now deathly afraid of Unsub and regularly tell people this. She accuses him publicly of being a pedophile and a sociopath. She considers Unsub to be a very dangerous person. She has accused him publicly of molesting specific girls and even boys. She tried to turn him in over this, but it didn’t go anywhere. If asked about this, Unsub probably says she is making this up as a bitter ex-wife.

I believe his children may also suspect Unsub of being a pedophile. Nevertheless, they continued to visit him in joint custody after the murders. However, after some court battles, his ex-wife has now retained sole custody of most of the children. Unsub retained custody of no more than one child. In addition, the ex-wife has moved out of the area quite a ways away to another state. Her location is 400-600 miles away from her previous one.

The ex-wife has several children of her own, four or more. The ex-wife continued to have kids into her 40’s. I believe that Unsub has molested at least some of his children and that this molestation went on for years. I believe he dressed two of his stepsons up like girls and molested them for years. I am unsure of how good his relationship is with his children, but at least some of them accuse him of being a pedophile. The children are all minors or they were when Unsub was still married.

Unsub has not always resided in the Iowa area. He was born in Ohio. Then he lived for a decade in Texas. Then he lived for 19 years in Tennessee. He moved to Iowa ~25 years ago, when he was ~35 years old.

The killer does not live in either Evansdale. He’s not that stupid. But I do believe he lives or at least used to live near there. He resides or used close to Evansdale.

I believe that Unsub took the Iowa girls to a motorhome of his. He then drove the motorhome to a remote area somewhere and was not seen for three weeks when he was in this place.  Within 12 hours of the Evansdale abduction, he left the area in  Evansdale where he was staying with a relative. He stayed away for at least three weeks.

It was in this motorhome that he raped and killed those girls. He blocked out the windows with either pillows or newspapers and may have even soundproofed the vehicle in order to do this. Afterwards he cleaned the motorhome as thoroughly as he could.

Unsub does not have a lot of money, but I  he owns or did own a modest home in Iowa close to Evansdale. He may used to own a motorhome which he used in this crime and then disposed of. His principal residence has the appearance of a sparsely or poorly-furnished bachelor residence. The walls are white with a white carpet. It is not even well-lit inside, and the residence has a dim look about it, even in daytime.

Unsub is is divorced and he lives alone. He probably has little girls over at his residence from time to time, but I am not sure if he molests them there or not. He has some photographs of little girls in his residence. I do not know if he collects child pornography, but he probably has a significant collection of photos of cute little girls obtained in a variety of places. He has some photos of himself with a little girl or two next to him.

Unsub continues to drive a fairly nice car. This car is a red Ford compact.

In the Evansdale killings, there was talk of a white SUV in the area where the girls disappeared. It was never proven to have any connection with the murders. I believe that Unsub used that white SUV to commit the Evansdale crimes. It is known that he did own a white SUV around 2012-2013, but it was broken down when last photographed. Nevertheless, photographs do show a white SUV parked next to his garage.

Unsub seems to take these murders rather hard. They take their toll on him. The Delphi Murders upset him because for a time he was considered a suspect but I believe he did not commit the Delphi Murders and has been ruled out. However, he is aware that people are now actively linking him to the Evansdale killings, and this is making him worried and highly stressed out. A couple of months ago, Unsub vanished from his central Iowa city. He seemed to vanish off the face of the Earth and has not been seen since. I believe he was feeling the heat from being a Delphi suspect and he is also worried that more people are pointing the finger at him over the Evansdale murders.

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Filed under Crime, Criminology, Girls, Iowa, Law enforcement, Lolitas, Mental Illness, Midwest, Pedophilia, Personality Disorders, Psychology, Psychopathology, Regional, Serial Killers, Sex, Sociology, Sociopathy, USA

Repost: The East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker – A Legendary US Rapist and Serial Killer

Originally posted on this site five years ago, I am reposting it here due to all of the true crime fans on the site now. A famous, fascinating case! This post barely touches on the case. I spend weeks to months researching this case and learned a lot more than was written up here.

Voice recording from the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker.

His known criminal career ranged from 1976-1986, though he was also probably the Visalia Ransacker active in Visalia in 1974. The Ransacker also committed some homicides.

The EAR mostly just raped, but he did kill one couple who were out for a walk in the Sacramento area. The crimes began with a rape spree in the Sacramento area in 1976-78. Then he moved around to Modesto, Davis and the Bay Area for more attacks in 1978-79.

During his wild spree in the Sacramento area, community meetings were held. He apparently went to at least one of these community meetings and sat in the audience. We know this because a man spoke at the meeting and said, “What kind of man would sit back and let his wife get raped like that without doing something about it?”

Three weeks later, this man and his wife were attacked in their home. The man was tied up, and the woman was bound and raped. EAR was at the meeting, and somehow he knew who the man was or he followed him home from the meeting. Creepy as Hell!

He left the Sacramento area after two composites were released of possible attackers in the killing of the couple out for a walk, so those composites are probably good. He was 18-29 years old when he started.

He may have been in the military at the time of the original rapes. He drove a dark colored VW.

His career as EAR ended when he moved to Southern California in 1979 where he turned into the Original Night Stalker and escalated to homicides of both males and females in the Santa Barbara and Irvine/Laguna Niguel area from 1979-1986. In a number of these cases, via prowling, he noticed a couple having sex. Then he quickly broke in and blitzed them while they were having sex. In these later homicides, he tied people with ligatures but removed the ligatures before he left to remove evidence. During this phase, he was ~21-~38 years old.

He was still on the loose as of 1990-1991, when the extremely creepy voice recording recording above was made. The recording is of the suspect making a taunting call to one of his original EAR rape victims who survived. He made these calls to several of his previous victims, but this is the only one that was left on an answering machine. The drawing at the beginning of the video is how he looked in his attacks. The gritted teeth are correct because he typically spoke through gritted teeth. At the time of the phone call, he was probably ~28-~45 years old.

The EAR MO was to stalk and maybe even burglarize in the area and gain a great deal of intelligence about the victims through break-ins and prowling. He often targeted areas that had homes for sale. He probably looked at a couple of homes for sale, posing as a prospective buyer and/or a fake real estate agent.

He would later return to the area, sometimes by vehicle, sometimes on a bicycle, and sometimes on foot. Attacks were typically made next to an open area from which he could make his escape. Telephone lines were usually cut before entering. The woman was bound with special knots and raped over a period ranging over up to three hours.

During this period, she would be raped, sodomized and forced to have oral sex. He also wandered the house, eating and drinking items from the fridge. He wandered in and out of the house, eating and drinking, apparently looking for people to come home. He ransacked through the house, only taking a few items of value.

If a male was in the house, he was bound and gagged and placed on the bed face down with a plate on his back and told that if he moved, he would die. At some point, he left, but the victim often could not tell when he left because he was wandering around so much. It often took the woman half an hour or so to get free of her bonds and get help, and by that time, he was long gone.

In some cases, he was seen fleeing and pursued, but he always got away somehow. One time police saw him on a bicycle with a ski mask and pursued him, but he escaped once again.

Several composites were made, but unfortunately, they do not look much alike. The original attacks were by a young White male aged 18-25, with sandy blond hair and blue eyes, 5’11 tall, muscled but with a thin body like a swimmer. He favored military green clothing but had a wide variety of clothes that he wore. He always wore tennis shoes with a herringbone pattern. He used a new ski mask in every crime and sometimes made his own masks. He had a wide variety of handguns and knives which he used in his attacks.

No one has any idea if he is alive or dead, as he has not been heard from since 1991. If alive, he would in his ~60 to ~65. Up until now though, he has definitely gotten away with an incredible crime spree – countless break-ins and burglaries, over 50 rapes, and a good 12 homicides.

He was very, very good. Good at what he did that is, one of the best. One of the best at getting away with his evil crimes. He’s one sick man all right though.

He was never caught.

This site is an excellent resource on this master criminal.

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True Crime: Todd Kohlhepp

Here.

Anyone heard of this guy? A serial out of South Carolina. Article from November of last year. They think he killed seven people. I had never even heard of this case. Wow these serials are getting so common that I am starting to miss even the big ones, and I am a serial watcher. I think this is nothing new, as it’s been going on for a while. The FBI says how many serials are running around the country at any one time? 35? More?

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Possible Major Break in the Delphi Murders Case

Update: Most of the red hot discussion about this case has moved over to the private fora where we can discuss people’s full names, addresses, phone numbers, you name it – you can accuse anyone of anything, and you don’t have to worry about the threat of a defamation or libel lawsuit. Furthermore, the fora are rigorously policed to keep out trolls, spies and other disruptors. None of your comments will appear on Internet search engines, you can say anything you want under any name you want without leaving a permanent record on the Net.

There are many photos on the private forum and a huge amount of information on the case. Furthermore, much of this information is highly pertinent to the case, but we have not released it on the open net yet due to fears that we might harm the investigation. All of our material has been turned over to LE, and my understanding is that LE monitor the private fora. At this moment, we have ~150-200 Websleuths working on the case.

Link to private fora.

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

In the past few days, no less than three online discussions of the Delphi murders have been shut down. The first one was a thread on he vast thread on Websleuths that was taken down due to “no significant developments in the case.” It is quite unusual for Websleuths to lock down a huge thread like that. Next, a Topix thread which ran to over 200 pages went down. Then a large thread on the murders on Reddit was taken down. Only administrators can take down Reddit threads. All three threads went down on Friday around the same time.

So why were three huge Delphi threads taken down at three large websites all around the same time?

It doesn’t make sense unless LE asked them to take it down.

In addition, people who monitor police scanners say all of Carroll County LE activity today has been removed from the scanner. That’s quite unusual.

Also a person has posted on social media that a friend of theirs works for the FBI, and the agent told the poster on Saturday that he was leaving for Indiana on work business.

All of this implies a possible major break in the case.

Meanwhile, we at Beyond Highbrow feel that we identified the man on the bridge a few weeks ago. We have since assembled quite a bit of good albeit circumstantial evidence against this POI. Whether there is enough against this man to justify a warrant, much less an arrest, God forbid charges, I have no idea.

First of all, we believe that the Delphi Killer may be a serial killer. We believe that the Delphi killings may not have been his first murders. He may have committed up to five or more murders before then, possibly in a short period of time.

We have reason to believe that another person may have been involved in the crime and helped the man on the bridge. We do not know his role in the crime, and we have no idea who is, but we believe there may be a second suspect in this crime.

We now have a lot of good details about what happened in the crime, but we are not releasing those right now as they are rather gruesome. Perhaps in a later post. However, we can release some details. Much of what was said was done to the girls has turned out to be bad rumors. We are finally getting information straight from people who found the bodies, so this is probably more reliable.

The theory that Abbie was speared with a stake is completely up for grabs. That may be a bad rumor.

We are still trying to confirm the story of whether or not Abbie was pregnant. At the moment we are unable to confirm this rumor. But we are also unable to say it is not true. This rumor is completely up in the air then. Maybe it is true, and maybe it is not.

We believe that an initial, the letter K, was carved or burned into the chest of one of the girls. It may also have been written all over the crime scene. In that case, the crime scene was not the area where the bodies were found. There is talk of a kill site somewhere other than where the bodies were left, but we do not know where it is.

We are unable to confirm the rumor that the Mears barn was used in the crime. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn’t.

We believe that the entire crime was over in an hour and was recorded on Libby’s audiotape.

We believe that most of the 40 minute tape is boring, consisting of footfalls in the forest and muffled voices conversing. There’s not much to hear.

We no longer believe that a second vehicle was used in the crime or that the girls were placed in a vehicle after the “Down the hill” order was given.

We are uncertain whether the girls were removed from the forest, taken elsewhere, and then returned by being dragged down a trail in the early AM. Perhaps it happened that way, perhaps it did not.

We believe that there was definitely a sexual aspect to this crime, but we will not go into it now as it is rather lurid. Perhaps later.

We believe that one girl’s throat was cut with something sharp, either a knife or a garrot, and her head was nearly decapitated. This girl was found nude with her upper body covered with forest litter as if the killer was trying to conceal her. She also had the letter initial carved into her chest.

We believe that the other girl was killed by stab wounds to the heart and to a vein in her throat. Death would have been quite swift. This girl was dressed, possibly after she was killed. She was also posed.

We believe the killer is a White man between the ages of 50-55 who is local to the surrounding area but not a Delphi resident. We believe he grew up in Delphi near the crime scene and that is how he knew it so well. We believe he may be Amish but was shunned by the community, so he became a shunned Amish. We believe he may have ridden horses a lot when he was younger. We also feel that he has deep ties to the local Amish community.

In order to bolster our case against our POI, we have assembled a lot of photographic and even some video evidence to bolster our case, in addition to many witness statements. The photos and videos are over a four year period and they are all dated.

We believe we were in communication with the killer for a while. We believe that the killer inserted himself into the investigation in a huge way and even posted on a number of Delphi murders forums under different names.

We believe we know the vehicle that was used in the case, and we have obtained several photographs of that vehicle with the POI next to it that were shot in Delphi on the morning of February 13 about eight hours before the crime. The woman who took the photos was suspicious of the man, and this why the photos were taken. Although the witness believes it another person, she is not certain who it is. She thinks he comes from the north, and his name is one of four names. We do not agree with the witness. We believe that the man in that photo may be the man on the bridge, and we definitely believe the car photographed was the car used in the crime.

We believe that the vehicle used in the case was a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. We think it was a rental car. The vehicle was observed at the crime scene around the time of the crime and also photographed in Delphi eight hours before the crime.

We also believe that LE did not retain Libby’s phone. The killer took her phone and disposed of it. We believe that the phone may be in the gravel pit lake on the Mears property 1/2 mile from the crime scene. We think he threw the phone into the lake. We believe the lake should be drained, or they should have a dive team go down there to look for that phone. If LE won’t do it, maybe the Mears should drain the lake themselves.

We also suspect that the Delphi Killer may have been involved in the arson killings of four Black girls in Flora, Indiana several months before. The fire was originally thought to be accidental, but it was later stated that it might have been arson. We believe it was an arson fire.

We also are very concerned for the safety of Karena McClerkin, an 18 year old Black girl who went missing in October 2016 from Kokomo, Indiana not too far from Delphi or Flora. As of February 5, we believe she was still alive but was being kept prisoner somewhere against her will. However, by March 23, the news about her got much darker. We fear that she may be dead, and the only reason she is still called missing is because her body has not been found yet. We believe this due to witness statements we have obtained regarding her imprisonment and fate. We also feel that the Delphi Killer, in addition to being involved in the Flora Fire, may have killed Karena McClerkin.

We would love more than anything to be wrong about the fate of Ms. McClerkin, and we have no solid evidence of whether she is dead or alive, but the things we have been hearing are not good. Let’s hope they are just bad rumors.

The motives for the Delphi murders are not known, nor is the motive for the Flora Fire known, although racism is a possibility. If Ms. McClerkin is a victim, we have no motive in that case either.

But we feel that one man, the Delphi Killer, may be responsible for up to seven homicides in the area around Kokomo, Indiana in a four month period. This would make him quite a prolific serial killer.

A few other things.

The killer smokes cigarillos, and is in fact smoking one in the photo.

We also have photos of our POI on 2-12 the day before the crime and on 2-14 the day after the crime. The photos may be significant to the case.

The killer is left-handed.

We know a lot of other things that we should not discuss right now because we are trying to be sensitive to the investigation.

Of course we have asked LE to look at all of our evidence.

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Psychopathology of Serial Murderers

The primary problem with almost all serial killers is simply ASPD, Antisocial Personality Disorder, derived sociopathy or primary psychopathy. It is present in almost 100% of such cases. Most everything else is rather secondary to this primary character disorder, which is the most prominent symptom.

Very rare is the serial killer without this disorder, although there have been a few. I remember a long-distance trucker who turned himself when he walked into a Northern California police station with a woman’s breast in his top shirt pocket. He had camped out in forests while trucking and had picked up women and killed them. He kept the body of one in the truck for three or four days and drove around with it.

Experts said he was quite unusual in that they said he actually felt bad about what he had done. I wonder how bad he really felt though. You could not get me to drive around in a truck with a dead woman in the back for very long. I would go into severe panic pretty fast, would stop the truck, get out and start walking or probably running away. I would not be able to walk around with a woman’s breast in my shirt for long either. I would completely panic almost right away, take the shirt off, throw it on the ground and start running. But then I am a pretty guilty type person with a strong conscience.

Based on that, while I am sure he may have felt some guilt for his killings, the fact that he was able to drive around in a truck with a dead woman in the  back for 3-4 days shows without completely flipping out shows to me that he didn’t feel that much guilt, certainly not on the level that most of us would. And the fact that he could rather calmly walk into a police station with a cut off breast in his pocket without flying into total panic shows to me that he didn’t feel that bad about it. So guilt, even when it is present, is not as strong as in most of us, otherwise they would not have even done such horrible things in the first place.

Sexual sadism is also often present, and I have heard that Sadistic Personality Disorder is very common. Juvenile delinquency, voyeurism, exhibitionism, burglary, prowling, petty thievery, etc. typically precede the serial killings. When the serial killer starts killing, he usually has a fairly long rap sheet of more minor offenses. The murders are best seen as an escalation of a chronic criminal character type.

The ones who kill children are typically though not always preferential or fixated pedophiles. Certainly the ones who kill only children are preferential pedophiles. There is a type of pedophile called a mysoped, which is a sadistic pedophile. They are not very common. I doubt if 5% of pedophiles are like this, but these people are very dangerous. Probably almost all serial child killers are mysopeds and these crimes often have a sexual basis.

95% of rapists are the type that rarely if ever go serial, but the sadistic rapist, composed of no more than 5% of rapists, is very dangerous. Most if not all rapist serial killers are sadistic rapists.

The rage rapist is dangerous, but he generally does not intend to kill his victim although he assault her. If she fights back or gets difficult, he can fly into a rage and beat her so badly that she dies but again he usually does not intend to kill. I doubt if these types go serial much if at all. Serial killers intend to kill; rage rapists do not.

Malignant narcissism, the disorder, believe it or not, of our wonderful President, is also present sometimes. Ted Bundy was a malignant narcissist. Yes, our wonderful President has the same mental illness as Ted Bundy! Comforting thought.

A few have Schizoid Personality Disorder, and some of the more disturbed ones have Borderline Personality Disorder.

Schizotypal, Paranoid and Narcissistic Personality Disorders are rare if ever seen in serial killers. Schizotypals are probably too disorganized and decompensated and just out and out strange to commit such crimes. The serial killer must blend in, and schizotypals do not do that. A few schizotypals have committed mass murders. James Holmes the Aurora Batman Theater Shooter, was a notable case. But note that he was caught immediately.

Paranoid PD is rarely if ever seen. These people tend to be rather retiring and like to hide away from a hostile world. They also do not like to call attention to themselves from a hostile world. They are suspicious and distrustful by nature and this makes it hard for them to blend in well with ordinary society as serial killers often do.

Narcissists are usually too self-centered to kill. While narcissists are often very mean, the disorder is usually well-controlled in that the rage rarely escalates to homicide. There have been a few cases of NPD’s committing mass murder, usually of their families.

The case of Jeffrey MacDonald, the mass murdering physician of Fatal Vision, seems to be such a case. This is a superb true crime case by the way.

Also narcissists think that if they kill, they will get caught, and if they are in prison or jail they will not be able to live this wonderful life they are supposed to be killing. They are “too cool to kill.” Killing would mess up all their wonderful plans to exploit others and hold them up to contempt by millions of people, which the narcissist would have a hard time taking. The narcissist is “too good for prison.” Prison would be such a crushing blow to their self-image that it would very hard to take.

However, malignant narcissists can be very dangerous because this is a combination of psychopathy, sadism, Paranoid PD and Narcissistic PD. When you weaponize NPD with paranoia, sadism and particularly psychopathy, you create a dangerous illness.

Cluster C Personality Disorders like Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder, Self-Defeating Personality Disorder, Dependent Personality Disorder and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder are rarely if ever present in these types. These are PD’s where aggression is mostly displayed passively, and serial killers display aggression actively, not passively.

Mood disorders do not seem to be common. Bipolar Disorder is not common, and serial killers are rarely if ever depressed. They displace guilt and loathing outwards instead of pushing it inside of themselves as depressives do. Depressives are passive, and depression acts as sort of a freezing agent in that it tends to immobilize people by its nature. Men in general tend to either experience less depression than women or mask it with other things such as anger and rage, drinking, drugs, gambling, promiscuity or even workaholism. It is simply not acceptable as a man to be depressed, so depressed men simply channel their depression into other things and say they are not depressed, they are just drunks or workaholics, for instance.

Substance and alcohol abuse issues are quite common with serial killers, but the better ones are more sober, as drinkers and dopers tend to be scattered and unreliable and serial killers must be on the ball  24-7.

Only a few are psychotic. 2% of serial killers are psychotic. Psychotic people can barely organize a trip to the bathroom. How are they going to plot out elaborate and professional serial homicides?

They are motivated by many things, but your typical rape-murders of murders of attractive young women almost always have a sexual component. I would call these serial killings lust murders. The Germans coined the term. Even among the lust-murders, there are a number of different types. Some are motivated by purely sexual desires, others get off specifically on killing and the power gained from it, others are hunter types who get pleasure from the hunt and chase as if they were hunting an animal, which they are of course, but when we refer to hunters, we are always talking about hunters of non-human animals.

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Is It True That Sexually Sadistic Serial Killers Rarely Have Partners?

Paula: TWO killers is odd….two sadistic people who commit crimes together is very very unusual….I’m leaning towards one person with a grudge and one person tagging along, IF there were indeed two people….

This is a very common belief and you hear this all the time. Particularly women seem to believe that these fellows usually act alone. I suppose women in particular find it impossible to understand how two men could find each other and plot a series of the worst crimes of all. Men find it hard too. I mean I have had some bad friends who stole, shot drugs, you name it. They had done a few stints in jail. I’ve had some really bizarre conversations with my friends. You name it, we discussed it. But never in my life have I had a friend say, “Hey Bob, let’s go out rape, torture and murder some women. What do you say?” I cannot fathom a conversation like that between two men. Where on Earth do they find each other?

But actually these men acting with partner(s) is quite common. Sexual sadists often have partners in crime. Usually another man or even men, but sometimes a woman – a wife or girlfriend. The woman comes under the influence of the man, and that is why she helps him to commit these crimes. She usually is not bad per se. In other words, if she had not hooked up with that bad boyfriend or husband, she would probably never have done such a thing.

I believe Freeway Killer William Bonin had maybe six accomplices. Dean Corll had many accomplices too. One of the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders is thought to involve three men. The Smiley Face Murders, bizarre drownings of up to 90 young college men in the middle of the US, if these are even real crimes at all, are thought to involve a number of people, maybe up to 3-4 men, operating out of a van.

The Hillside Stranglers, the Sunset Strip Murders, Bittaker and Norris, it goes on and on. It is suspected that Randy Kraft‘s roommate, a deep S/M freak, helped him to commit some of the murders.

The latter four are right here in southern California, and they were all operating in a short period of time in the late 1970’s.

The Operation Miranda killers, Charles Ng and Leonard Lake, Otis Toole and Henry Lee Lucas, the list goes on and on.

Ken and Barbie Killers Paul Bernardi and Karla Homulka and Sunset Strip Killers Doug Clark and Carol Bundy are two cases where the female partners of the men participated in the crimes. In both cases, the women willingly went along with the crimes and even helped participate in them. After a while, they came to enjoy committing these crimes and even got into the sexual aspect of them. Homulka and Bundy are both pretty sociopathic, but if those women never met those men, they never would have done anything like this.

In addition to the above, I can think of three other cases where men had partners, in two cases, two men as a team in one case and a man and a woman who came under his influence in the other. Problem is I cannot remember the names of the killings nor the participants.

And I think there are more cases than I have gone over above.

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Does LE Have Any Good Suspects in Mind for the Delphi Killings?

Note to commenters 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

Note to commenters 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the overwhelming majority of theories presented here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Kathy: Robert,

Do your sources know if LE knows or suspects who is responsible for this horrible crime? Do they believe it is someone local?

No. I do not know. From my own sources, I am hearing that their perception is that LE is baffled and has no clue who did this crime.

I had another source a while back, a Secret Service agent, who said that they know who did it, but they are just building a case against him. Who this suspect was, I have no idea. Also I was told this maybe one month ago.

I am hearing so many contradictory things about this that I do not know what to think.

From people who are not my sources, I am hearing two people saying that LE has their guy. Both rumors have merely one proponent and as such are weak rumors.

1. Ivan Brumbaugh

Obviously one is this Eric Alter who is fingering Ivan Brumbaugh, who he insists is the suspect and who he claims that LE are just wrapping up their case against. However, reading between the lines, what I got was that Eric Alter knows for certain that Brumbaugh did this crime, but possibly LE does not share his views and is not taking Brumbaugh seriously.

I have several other people who also like Brumbaugh as a suspect, but they have no good sources for that information. Personally, I am very dubious that Brumbaugh is the man who killed these girls especially now that we have two separate DNA sets back representing apparently two killers, neither of which is Brumbaugh. Mr. Brumbaugh, in my opinion, seems to be guilty of contaminating a crime scene, but that’s not a crime last time I checked. Incidentally, Brumbaugh has completely lawyered up and seems to be holding out in his home.

Certainly Brumbaugh has some dubious events in his past. He has an old child molestation conviction from the late 1970’s, but we know nothing about this charge and he does not have to register on the RSO list because it happened too long ago. I am quite certain that Brumbaugh is neither a pedophile nor a hebephile. If anything, he seems to be a womanizer and a playboy who continued to date attractive young women far into middle age. There are suggestions of strong bisexual tendencies, but there is no good evidence for this either. Brumbaugh is certainly not pedohebephilic, nor is he a homosexual. He seems to be mostly attracted to mature females, emphasis on the plural.

Several years back, Brumbaugh’s ex-wife’s house burned down, and the woman barely escaped with her life. The fire was mysterious and apparently arson, but no one was ever charged in the crime.

Brumbaugh is a Shunned Amish, yes, but this means nothing. Apparently half of the Amish community are these Shunned Amish and the Shunned Amish and the regular Amish continue to associate with each other, with the exception that the Shunned tend to be a little wilder.

There are allegations of problems with women, anger towards teenage girls who do not engage in proper behavior and an angry man subject to explosive rages.

I would add that Brumbaugh is very familiar with the Mears property on which they girls were raped and killed and almost certainly is familiar with the barn that was used.

The source for all of this behavior is Mr. Alter. Not one person has corroborated Alter’s charges.

Brumbaugh is said to have a rock solid alibi for the time of the girls’ abduction. Alter says that it is only Brumbaugh’s girlfriend who is  providing the alibi, and she would lie for him.

Personally I regard this man as a most unlikely suspect to commit such a horrific crime at age 63, the first such crime of his life. One simply doesn’t wake up one day at age 60 and decide to be a serial killer. It just doesn’t work that way. From what I know about this man, I simply do not feel that he has it in him to commit a crime like this and further he seems quite an unlikely suspect to have done such a crime. He just doesn’t seem like the type.

What I am getting is that LE is not taking the Brumbaugh matter seriously and does not seem to regard him as a serious suspect.

2. Unknown RSO from the Surrounding Area

A woman met with LE the other day and showed them photos of an RSO living within 50-100 miles of Delphi. Photos included him lifting weights. Her vibe was that LE felt that this was their man. I have no idea who this man is. There was said to be a Youtube video accusing him of this crime but it has been taken down.

3. Cleared Suspects

Ron Logan’s Son

Logan’s son is said to have disappeared since the killings. This is not so. Instead he is simply  laying low due to the media circus. I am told that he has been cleared by LE.

David James Lucas

Another man is a David James Lucas, fat good old hillbilly guy who likes to drink beer and has a huge belly. A video was made accusing Lucas  of being the Bridge Guy. However, my information is that Lucas is innocent and has been cleared by LE. Sadly the people of Delphi were being so accusative and threatening towards Lucas that he has since left town for his own safety.

Cemetery Groundskeeper

The cemetery groundskeeper has been mentioned as a possible suspect. We sleuthed him out and found a thin older man with a kindly face. Not Bridge Guy at all.

Conclusion: LE Clueless

Some of my investigators have been conducting interviews with LE in the area. These usually go 45 minutes or so. They come away from these interviews saying that LE has its hands up in the air, and they do not have a clue who did this. I am also hearing this from a number of other people just based on a general vibe. Also there have been a number of news stories lately that seem to be giving off the vibe that LE is utterly clueless about who did this.

At the moment, there is no good, hard evidence that LE has any known suspect in mind who are they are building a case against. Perhaps they do, but we do not have sufficient evidence to suggest that.

My general feeling is that LE is baffled and has its hands in the air with the palms up, without any idea of who the killer or killers might be.

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A Brief Summary of the Shocking New Rumors in the Delphi Murders Case

Note to commenters 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

Note to commenters 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the overwhelming majority of theories presented here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Although the post is not even begun yet, I decided to let my readers in on most of the new findings that will be reported in that update.

The findings deal with:

  • Probable return of at least one killer to the dump site at 9 AM
  • How many killers there were
  • How many sets of DNA were recovered
  • Whether there were any hits on the DNA in databases
  • The nature of the crime scene – pristine or contaminated
  • The type of attack that caused the death of Liberty and gravely injured Abbie
  • Other damage that occurred to one of the girls in the process of the fatal attack
  • Condition of one of the girls’ fingernails,
  • The nature and  length of Abbie’s most unpleasant ordeal and what crimes were probably committed against her
  • Why the crime was so long and drawn-out
  • How the girls were kidnapped and trapped on the bridge on which end of the bridge
  • What happened to the girls at the bottom of the hill that may be the source of the screams that follow the “down the hill” order shortly after it was given
  • Weapon and method used in this probable attack
  • Securing of girls
  • Location in the vehicle where the girls were placed to be driven to the kill site
  • Disposition of vehicle in regard to the kill site
  • How the girls were transported in the vehicle back to the SE corner of the cemetery where they were taken out and dragged down a trail
  • How many men dragged them down this trail to the dump site
  • Attempted camouflaging of girls at the dump site and whether it was successful or not
  • Killer’s emotional reaction on seeing the condition of the girls
  • Spearing of one of the girls in the stomach with a large pointed stick and the probable reason why this was done
  • Whether or not Abbie was found to be pregnant on autopsy
  • Whether Abbie had a boyfriend and if so, what his age was

That’s about it.

Now down to the nitty-gritty. As I said before, just when you thought this crime had been taken to the end of horror where it’s as bad as it gets, and we thought this crime could not possibly get worse, this crime does just that. The truth is even worse than what we have heard before.

If you are easily offended by gruesome descriptions of crimes, just quit reading right now and spare yourself the heartache.

Brief Chronology of the Delphi Murders, 2-13 to 2-14, Delphi, Indiana

They two girls dropped off, started hiking, and at some point, BG or one of his pals started following them. Libby was alarmed and posted to her friends that some scary man was following them. Abbie walked across the bridge. Libby was already at the end. He closed the gap with them very fast.

He cornered them at the end of the bridge. The photo was taken at the south end of the bridge near the end. There’s nowhere to go at the south end of the bridge. There’s nothing there. Hikers who cross the bridge always cross from north side to south side, then when they get to the south side, turn around and walk back across the bridge to the north side. So he trapped them at the end of the south side.

“Down the hill,” he said.

They went down the hill to a barely used road that used to be used by bridge workers for maintenance. A vehicle was waiting there. One or more men were in the vehicle. Once they got near the vehicle, BG probably hit them with his gun over the head. That’s probably when they started screaming. The two girls were then probably tied up and quite probably thrown in the trunk of the vehicle.

The vehicle took off and drove 5 minutes to the north side of the bridge by the cemetery and made its way across to the barn. The vehicle pulled into the barn, and the dirty deeds began. Libby was killed sometime on 2-13 possibly because she was giving them such a hard time. This was a vicious killing because her fighting back really pissed them off. Libby had several opportunities to leave, but chose to stay by her friend to the end. Libby was probably raped, abused and mutilated.

The cause of death or grievous injury was not throat-slitting with a knife as often thought, or having the necks broken as a recent good rumor said, but instead was with a method that easily wraps the two rumors together into one: garroting, probably with piano wire.

Libby was garroted early on probably because she was giving them so much trouble. The first garroting was unsuccessful, so they tried to garrot her again. This time she put her hands up to her neck to stop the garroting, but the garroting was so fierce that the garrot not only cut her neck very badly but also cut off her fingers, anywhere from 2-8 of them. The garroting was so vicious and violent that Libby was almost decapitated. It is hard to decapitate someone by garroting, as it probably hits a bone towards the back. The garrot probably hit this bone, and the garroting stopped.

No doubt Abbie witnessed that but, she may have been gagged or gagged and bound. Abbie was raped, tortured, abused and maybe finally mutilated slowly over the entire night. This was by design because the men were in all probability sexual sadists who like to prolong the assault on the victims for a long time so the victim will suffer more. Abbie was then garroted also, but this garrot was not very successful.

While several materials can be used for garroting, I have reason to believe the famous old Mafia standby, piano wire, was used in this case. This type of garrot will cut your neck for sure.

The two girls were trundled into the trunk of the vehicle. The car was then driven to the cemetery and then to the southeast side of the cemetery. The gate was opened and the trail was 10 feet away. Both men dragged the bodies down to trail to the dump site. With each man dragging a body, this scenario works a lot better. They got to the dump site and covered both girls with leaves.

One or more of the killers returned later for some odd reason and found that Abbie had crawled a ways away somehow, and she was still alive, which he determined by observation. He was enraged that she was still alive, so he grabbed the stick and speared it into her abdomen, killing the fetus and also no doubt killing Abbie very quickly.

Abbie died at 9 AM, so this spearing attack must have been in the morning in full daylight! The killer rapidly left and got to the vehicle at the SE end of the cemetery where his friend was waiting. Both men got into the vehicle and took off somewhere to points unknown, whether far away, very close to home, or anything in between.

Later the crime scene got contaminated, possibly by Ivan Brumbaugh touching the bodies, but now that that has been done, it will be hard to prosecute the case because the defense attorney will point to the contamination to try to negate the DNA evidence.

Not one but two sets of DNA were recovered from the crime scene (this would be in addition to Brumbaugh’s DNA, if present). So there were two killers. We know this because there were two sets of DNA. However there were no hits in the databases for either DNA sample, meaning that those persons have not been convicted of felonies, at least not in recent years.

Abbie was found to be pregnant on autopsy, a shocking finding. However, she did have a 16 year old boyfriend whose name is known. It is not known whether they were having sex or not, but if Abbie was pregnant, they were probably having sex.

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