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False Memories in OCD

False memories are quite common when OCD gets bad. I have dealt with a number of people who were going round and round about false memories. They are not an extremely common symptom, but you do see them sometimes when the illness is bad. It’s generally a sign of a bad illness.

Ms. Z was periodically convinced that she killed people. She would have a conversation with someone for 5-10 minutes, then walk away ,and then suddenly think that she had killed them somehow during the conversation. Perhaps she had suddenly swung her fist out and beat them to death? Perhaps she had pulled out a knife and hacked them to death? Perhaps she had shot them with a gun? She would have all sorts of false memories of how she killed these people.

In the course of these false memories, she would become 100% certain that she had killed that person she was talking to in that store that day. In the next few days, she would ask around to people she knew if anyone got murdered or if she killed someone in the store that day. Of course she would always be told no. I’m sure her friends must have tired of answering these weird questions. As soon as she was told that no murder had occurred, immediately the firmly held belief that she had killed that person would vanish, and she would never think about it again. Until a little while later when she would be talking to someone again and then walk away and once again become convinced that she had killed that person…

Another woman, Ms. S., was a young college student. She was at a large California university that had a lot of long, winding trails with undergrowth. There were deep gullies on the sides of the paths that were overgrown with foliage. Ms. S. would be walking down the paths and as she walked, she passed all sorts of people coming her way. At some point, she would suddenly get an idea that she had grabbed one of the people coming her way and thrown them down into one of the gullies.

She had a pretty clear memory of who the person was she threw down there and exactly how she had done it. She would be overwhelmed with guilt, and she would take off down into the gully searching for the “body” of the person she had thrown down into the gulch. She did this on a pretty regular basis, and eventually the university wondered what she was doing floundering around in the gullies, and they sent the university police down there to see what she was up to. After a while, it become clear that she needed to go to the university counseling center.

In both cases, the women received a diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder in addition to OCD. This was an incorrect diagnosis, and it was based on the fact that for a short while after Ms. S  was clamboring around in the gullies or after Ms. Z became convinced that she had somehow killed someone she was talking to, that both women were absolutely convinced that they had either thrown someone down into the gully or had killed the person they were talking to in the store.

The diagnosis was incorrect because as soon as the women were told that there was no one in the gully or that they had not killed the person in the store, the “delusion” completely vanished and they didn’t think of it again until next time. Delusions just don’t go away like that. It’s not a very strongly held conviction if can vanish with a mere word of reassurance.

We look at the whole process in a holistic sense. What is the nature of the process? Is this a characterological process (personality disorder), a mood process (mood disorder like Bipolar Disorder or Depression), an anxiety process (OCD, PTSD, GAD, Panic Disorder) or a psychotic process (schizophrenia, manic psychosis, psychotic depression, schizoaffective disorder)? It is important to look at things in an intuitive sense and get the “smell” or “feel” of what the basic process is that you are dealing with.

In the case above, this is an anxiety process, specifically an OCD process. It’s not a psychotic process, despite the fact that it superficially resembles a psychosis.

Some of these folks with false memories actually go to the police station and turn themselves in for crimes that they did not commit.

“Hi, I am here to report a murder.”

“Ok, what happened?”

“Well I think I killed someone last night.”

“You think you killed someone?”

“Yes.”

“Well, where did this happen?”

“I am not sure. I think maybe the bridge over the river.”

“What time did this happen?”

“I’m not sure. Maybe midnight?”

“Who was the victim?”

“I’m not sure. I think it was a man, maybe.”

“What weapon was used?”

“I am not completely sure. I think it was a knife maybe.”

After a while the police started to get the message. He was not there to report a murder at all. He was there to find out whether or not he was a murderer!

As the conversation degenerated, the man started repeating, “How do you know if you killed someone or not?”

The police did not know what to say to that. After he left, the police were talking among themselves. “That’s so weird,” one of them said. “What does he mean, ‘How do I know if I killed someone or not?’ How could you not know something like that? That’s so weird.” The cops were shaking their heads.

 

As you can see, false memories are quite common in OCD when it gets very bad.

I dealt with them myself at one point in 1985 or 1986. I have to admit it was a pretty nutty way of thinking. I was so ashamed of my false memories (which I temporarily convinced myself were true) that I never told anyone except for a couple of therapists. I have not dealt with any false memory nonsense in over 30 years, and I hope I never have to deal with that again. It’s truly a crazy way to think.

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PUA/Game: Single Men as a Societal Problem

Single men live much shorter lifespans because they don’t have a woman to take care of them. Men hate going to the doctor. Single men drink more, take drugs more, gamble more, eat poorly, do not mind their health, get into more fights with other men, commit more crimes, drive faster, and take more risks. All of that adds up to a shorter lifespan. Single men are actually a problem for society, and this was one reason that the marriage institution was put into place.

The Gold Rush was a great example of what happens when you flood a state with countless single men from all over the world with greed in their eyes, guns in their pants, and no women to control them. The crime rate in the Gold Rush was 20-30X what it is now. That was exclusively a feature of a hordes of single men, little or no law enforcement, lots of guns, and way too much gold and money. They had hangings in the Gold Rush camps every weekend. Men would get roaring drunk on Friday and  Saturday night, go to the hangings on Saturday afternoon, and clean up and go to church on Sunday. The few women who came to California were prostitutes, and there were not nearly enough of those.

Society realized long ago that single men were a problem and were bad for society. Landlords used to charge them higher rents because they caused more problems. Many occupations discriminated against single men. Eventually it became quite taboo to be single past a certain age when it would be assumed you were homosexual or there was something wrong with you. A lot of the prejudice was simply homophobia but it was also rooted in a deep conviction that the fewer single men you had around, the better and that marriage ameliorated a lot of societal problems.

Prescriptions on premarital sex for women and extramarital sex for everyone made it difficult for single men to get sex without paying for it. These restrictions on women were in part to control female sexuality as all societies do, but they were also as a weapon to be wielded against single men.

“You want sex? Well then, get married. You want to be a bachelor? No problem. No pussy then, guy.”

Back in my father’s day it was not an exaggeration that many men married for sex. Sure, they were in love with their wives too in many cases, but women really do not want to hear about how many men married for sex back then.

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Possible Major Break in the Delphi Murders Case

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

In the past few days, no less than three online discussions of the Delphi murders have been shut down. The first one was a thread on he vast thread on Websleuths that was taken down due to “no significant developments in the case.” It is quite unusual for Websleuths to lock down a huge thread like that. Next, a Topix thread which ran to over 200 pages went down. Then a large thread on the murders on Reddit was taken down. Only administrators can take down Reddit threads. All three threads went down on Friday around the same time.

So why were three huge Delphi threads taken down at three large websites all around the same time?

It doesn’t make sense unless LE asked them to take it down.

In addition, people who monitor police scanners say all of Carroll County LE activity today has been removed from the scanner. That’s quite unusual.

Also a person has posted on social media that a friend of theirs works for the FBI, and the agent told the poster on Saturday that he was leaving for Indiana on work business.

All of this implies a possible major break in the case.

Meanwhile, we at Beyond Highbrow feel that we identified the man on the bridge a few weeks ago. We have since assembled quite a bit of good albeit circumstantial evidence against this POI. Whether there is enough against this man to justify a warrant, much less an arrest, God forbid charges, I have no idea.

First of all, we believe that the Delphi Killer may be a serial killer. We believe that the Delphi killings may not have been his first murders. He may have committed up to five or more murders before then, possibly in a short period of time.

We have reason to believe that another person may have been involved in the crime and helped the man on the bridge. We do not know his role in the crime, and we have no idea who is, but we believe there may be a second suspect in this crime.

We now have a lot of good details about what happened in the crime, but we are not releasing those right now as they are rather gruesome. Perhaps in a later post. However, we can release some details. Much of what was said was done to the girls has turned out to be bad rumors. We are finally getting information straight from people who found the bodies, so this is probably more reliable.

The theory that Abbie was speared with a stake is completely up for grabs. That may be a bad rumor.

We are still trying to confirm the story of whether or not Abbie was pregnant. At the moment we are unable to confirm this rumor. But we are also unable to say it is not true. This rumor is completely up in the air then. Maybe it is true, and maybe it is not.

We believe that an initial, the letter K, was carved or burned into the chest of one of the girls. It may also have been written all over the crime scene. In that case, the crime scene was not the area where the bodies were found. There is talk of a kill site somewhere other than where the bodies were left, but we do not know where it is.

We are unable to confirm the rumor that the Mears barn was used in the crime. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn’t.

We believe that the entire crime was over in an hour and was recorded on Libby’s audiotape.

We believe that most of the 40 minute tape is boring, consisting of footfalls in the forest and muffled voices conversing. There’s not much to hear.

We no longer believe that a second vehicle was used in the crime or that the girls were placed in a vehicle after the “Down the hill” order was given.

We are uncertain whether the girls were removed from the forest, taken elsewhere, and then returned by being dragged down a trail in the early AM. Perhaps it happened that way, perhaps it did not.

We believe that there was definitely a sexual aspect to this crime, but we will not go into it now as it is rather lurid. Perhaps later.

We believe that one girl’s throat was cut with something sharp, either a knife or a garrot, and her head was nearly decapitated. This girl was found nude with her upper body covered with forest litter as if the killer was trying to conceal her. She also had the letter initial carved into her chest.

We believe that the other girl was killed by stab wounds to the heart and to a vein in her throat. Death would have been quite swift. This girl was dressed, possibly after she was killed. She was also posed.

We believe the killer is a White man between the ages of 50-55 who is local to the surrounding area but not a Delphi resident. We believe he grew up in Delphi near the crime scene and that is how he knew it so well. We believe he may be Amish but was shunned by the community, so he became a shunned Amish. We believe he may have ridden horses a lot when he was younger. We also feel that he has deep ties to the local Amish community.

In order to bolster our case against our POI, we have assembled a lot of photographic and even some video evidence to bolster our case, in addition to many witness statements. The photos and videos are over a four year period and they are all dated.

We believe we were in communication with the killer for a while. We believe that the killer inserted himself into the investigation in a huge way and even posted on a number of Delphi murders forums under different names.

We believe we know the vehicle that was used in the case, and we have obtained several photographs of that vehicle with the POI next to it that were shot in Delphi on the morning of February 13 about eight hours before the crime. The woman who took the photos was suspicious of the man, and this why the photos were taken. Although the witness believes it another person, she is not certain who it is. She thinks he comes from the north, and his name is one of four names. We do not agree with the witness. We believe that the man in that photo may be the man on the bridge, and we definitely believe the car photographed was the car used in the crime.

We believe that the vehicle used in the case was a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates. We think it was a rental car. The vehicle was observed at the crime scene around the time of the crime and also photographed in Delphi eight hours before the crime.

We also believe that LE did not retain Libby’s phone. The killer took her phone and disposed of it. We believe that the phone may be in the gravel pit lake on the Mears property 1/2 mile from the crime scene. We think he threw the phone into the lake. We believe the lake should be drained, or they should have a dive team go down there to look for that phone. If LE won’t do it, maybe the Mears should drain the lake themselves.

We also suspect that the Delphi Killer may have been involved in the arson killings of four Black girls in Flora, Indiana several months before. The fire was originally thought to be accidental, but it was later stated that it might have been arson. We believe it was an arson fire.

We also are very concerned for the safety of Karena McClerkin, an 18 year old Black girl who went missing in October 2016 from Kokomo, Indiana not too far from Delphi or Flora. As of February 5, we believe she was still alive but was being kept prisoner somewhere against her will. However, by March 23, the news about her got much darker. We fear that she may be dead, and the only reason she is still called missing is because her body has not been found yet. We believe this due to witness statements we have obtained regarding her imprisonment and fate. We also feel that the Delphi Killer, in addition to being involved in the Flora Fire, may have killed Karena McClerkin.

We would love more than anything to be wrong about the fate of Ms. McClerkin, and we have no solid evidence of whether she is dead or alive, but the things we have been hearing are not good. Let’s hope they are just bad rumors.

The motives for the Delphi murders are not known, nor is the motive for the Flora Fire known, although racism is a possibility. If Ms. McClerkin is a victim, we have no motive in that case either.

But we feel that one man, the Delphi Killer, may be responsible for up to seven homicides in the area around Kokomo, Indiana in a four month period. This would make him quite a prolific serial killer.

A few other things.

The killer smokes cigarillos, and is in fact smoking one in the photo.

We also have photos of our POI on 2-12 the day before the crime and on 2-14 the day after the crime. The photos may be significant to the case.

The killer is left-handed.

We know a lot of other things that we should not discuss right now because we are trying to be sensitive to the investigation.

Of course we have asked LE to look at all of our evidence.

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A Lot of Liberals and Leftists Hate Criminals Too You Know

Carol: Hey, “retards” is word of the week here! I can take credit for that by mentioning “Trumptard” just prior to all the retard posts. Fun fact: many Snapchat Murder websleuths happen to be Trumptards. Why is that do you think, Robert?

In part it is because they are from that Godforsaken hillbilly red state. The whole state seems to have been hit by a Retard Virus if you ask me. The people in that state are not very educated. Their college graduation rate I believe is only 11%, and that is on the low end of US states. They seem to cultivate ignorance in that place and most people seem to be aggressively or even belligerently ignorant. They are actually arrogant and defiant about their ignorance.

I do not know what we are going to do about states like that. I want to say they are beyond hope, but that is probably not true. My Mom said that state has been conservative forever somehow, but that is probably not true. However, the state has been conservative for a very long time. 50-60 years ago, they commonly elected Democrats, but that’s not the case anymore. I imagine the Reagan Democrats were very big here as they were throughout the Rust Belt. All of this may be because this state was heavily populated by White Southerners, especially people from Appalachia moving north maybe for jobs and such a the same time many Blacks were moving north from for the same reason in the mid 20th Century. There were a lot of industrial jobs up there that attracted Southerners looking for work.

Web sleuths tend to be rightwingers. That is because they have the Cop Personality and they really hate criminals.It’s too bad and I think it shows how we on the Left have screwed up. If you hate criminals so much you want to be a detective, you cannot possibly be a liberal or on the Left. Because you know the Left is soft on crime, they are bleeding hearts and they want to set all the criminals free and let them all out early. It’s sad. I hate criminals and I actually think like a cop (more like a detective) and I am on the Left.

These people don’t get it. Go back to Stalin’s USSR, Mao’s China, Ho’s Vietnam, or Castro’s Cuba and try to commit some common crime. I mean like theft. God forbid burglary. Or God help you some violent crime.

The Commie regimes were absolutely vicious in their treatment of street criminals, and even worse towards violent criminals. Were they anti-cop? Hell, they were damned Police STATES for Chrissakes. They were practically run by cops.

True some liberals are bleeding hearts and have been associated with some sentence reduction, but actually that has been much exaggerated. A lot so-called bleeding heart-ism was just common sense like opposition to the death penalty.

I think we need to bring back the idea that a lot of us liberals really hate criminals too, violent ones especially. Or that it would be OK to be a detective or even a street cop and vote Democrat. Cops used to vote Democrat back East at least until 1980 or so. Or maybe it started in the 1960’s. They were often White ethnics who saw themselves properly as members of the working class so they voted for the party of the working class White ethnics, the Democrats.

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Rumors, Facts and My Delphi Updates: Clearing Up Some Lies

Also, are we 100% certain about the details of the crime scene (e.g. cause of death, condition of the bodies, etc)? LE has not released those details to the public. I know other commenters say they know things with 100% certainty, but that simply is not true at this point. Inaccurate rumors, false accusations, and mistaken identities have led us down some bizarre paths and away from the truth. All I am saying is that any claims of having factual knowledge about this crime should be taken with a grain of salt.

I would say that we can quote a number of things in pretty complete confidence. Obviously both girls had their throats cut, either by garroting or knife. I would say that the throat-cutting was certainly fatal to Libby, and we are not sure about Abbie. Libby was almost decapitated by the attack, which to me implies garroting. Both of the girls were either nude or semi-nude. Libby had defensive wounds all over her body. Libby had material under nails. Dirt, blood or flesh, no one seems to know. Dirt at the very least. Libby surely died earlier than Abbie, but maybe not by a lot.

The stake theory has not been proven and may not even be true. We are trying to verify that theory as best we can write now because there are people stating it was false.

The Abbie was pregnant theory has not been proven either and it may be just a rumor.

The common theory about the girls dying on different days may not be true.

The mutilation or sexual mutilation theory may not be true.

Let me clarify. The only things that are verified are statements of LE and the media. Everything else is rumor with a capital R. It is true that I regard a number of the rumors as simply true, but that doesn’t mean they are true, OK? It simply means that they are true as far as I am concerned. In my opinion, they are true.

There are even some things where I say I am 100% certain that something is true. A statement of opinion, not fact. I do not know about the rest of you, but I like to be right or wrong about things in daily life. I do not want to walk around being some uncertain scientists with everything in my quotidian existence. I cannot count the number of times I was 100% certain of things that later turned out to be wrong. I had simply decided that my mind was made up about the truth of some matter. But that didn’t mean it was true! It just meant it was true in my mind, or true as far as I was concerned!

Absolutely take anything stated as rumor in my posts with a grain of salt as small or huge as you like. Or you are free to form your own OPINION of the my matter where you agree with me that something is true or you even feel as certain about something as I do. You may feel to varying degrees that I am wrong and full of crap. Or of course you can always be a pure scientist and just say you don’t know.

“Lindsay represents rumors as fact” is one of the biggest lies out there about me. It’s just not true and I am really getting sick and tired of all these people lying about me all the time. I am about this far from hitting someone. These people talking like this better hope they never meet me in real life is all I have to say.

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Letter to My Critics Regarding Donations, Expertise, Etc.

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Jimmy Conway: This blog is very informative, and Robert is very good at what he does in terms of digging into the crime. I see his name mentioned on other sites as well. That means that people are reading this blog.

However, I think that readers get immediately turned off by Robert’s continual requests for money. Some of the comments I have seen elsewhere have ridiculed Robert unfairly because of it.

I realize that this is Robert’s only source of income at this time and the loyal following is keeping him afloat, but just as many people refuse to take what he says seriously because of the money issue…so instead of asking new members to donate why not create a pinned post at the top of each page topic indicating that this is his only source of income, perhaps with a Paypal link so people can easily donate that way.

It’s not my only source of income. I have a trust fund, but it is only a very small check every month. It started out at $700,000, but they dole it out bit by bit, so it seems like a lot less. It’s close to a poverty level wage. I have been getting it since 18 and it is a spendthrift trust, so I cannot touch it. It’s all up to the trustees. They control the whole pile.

With a pinned post at the top, too many people will see that and just leave and not even see the latest posts.

Once you donate, I never bug you again. And all Delphi commenters are exempt from normal rules that all regular commenters must donate minimum $10 to keep commenting. I never bother people repeatedly for money. I ask you once. If you don’t donate, fine. If you want me to not bug you, just give me minimum $10 bucks or so, and I will never pester you again. Easy peasy.

They can ridicule me all they want. Apparently they believe in working for free. Ask them if they work for free. Ask them if they go to their jobs and refuse the money the boss offers, instead saying they would rather work for free. Ask them if they run their own business, and if so, if they refuse to make money off their business, instead opting to work for free.

Ask them if it’s ok for me to ridicule them for asking their boss to pay them for their work. That’s what they are doing for me. Am I the only worker who is supposed to work for free while everyone else is paid for their labor?

I do not ask all new posters for money. Some of them I do, but that is selective. If you start emailing me, you will get hit up.

I do some work outside of this site, but that has dried up at the moment. I worked my whole life, but became ill 21 years ago and have not worked full-time since. I tried to work for a while after I got sick, but I was going to kill myself in order to keep working. It was work and die or quit work and live, so I quit.

I cannot work full-time for a stranger. I might be able to work casual jobs for a friend or family on very flexible hours.

Indeed I do have degrees and credentials as my critics ridicule me for having, but they are pretty useless at the moment.

I worked my whole life before this and have held a lot of interesting positions: teacher, paralegal, magazine editor, freelance writer, book author, linguist, psychological counselor, web page designer, and a lot of lower level working class jobs.

If I did not have the trust fund, I would have to try for disability.

The thing is that of all the mentions of this site outside of this blog, at least 95%+ of them are negative. I almost never see one positive comment about this site on any outside link. All remarks on Topix are negative. All remarks on Reddit are negative. Well, they can all just fuck right off.

This is by far the highest traffic site on the Net for this crime. This site was recently quoted in the MSM on the matter of this crime. The editor of the very high traffic site interviewed me on the phone and then quoted me in her article. I also recently had an offer to go on a TV show about this crime.

They can make fun of me and hate me all they want. Are they getting offers to go on TV and talk about this crime as experts? Are they being interviewed by large media outlets as experts for stories about this crime? They are not. Not one of them is. They call me a loser.

Sounds like sour grapes.

I have the biggest website on this crime.

I am the only Net writer who gets TV offers to go on as an expert on this crime.

I am the only net writer who gets interviewed and quoted as an expert on this crime.

I’m the success. They’re the failures.

I’m the winner. They’re the losers.

And I do work with LE on this crime. I have worked with two detectives so far. I call them, and they call me.

What do I do for them? Give them tips about the crime, same as everyone else does.

I also write up reports for them about suspects. I wrote up a 15 page report on one POI, and they took it seriously and fact checked the whole thing. Last I heard they said he was a suspect, and they wanted to talk to him.

I just called in two more tips today and in the last 36 hours, and I will probably talk to someone tomorrow.

Let them laugh and make fun of me all they want. You can’t compromise success.

I’m winning; they’re losing.

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New Vehicle of Interest in the Delphi Murders Case

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

Most of my family sources are simply sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m mostly not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who are talking to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

A number of suspect vehicles have been suggested to be connected to these murders. I will list them.

Make/Model                               Status 

Red Ford Mustang                         Unknown
Black car                                Unknown, dubious
White van                                Unknown, dubious
Red truck                                Unknown, dubious
Light colored coupe                      Unknown, may not exist
1970's grey Mercedes Benz                Exists, cleared
Late model Dodge Dart with paper plates  Suspect vehicle, VOI

After considering a number of vehicles for months without conclusive evidence of involvement, we* now feel that we have a Vehicle of Interest in the last vehicle, the late model Dodge Dart with paper plates.

None of the other vehicles have gone much of anywhere. The light colored coupe is said to be visible in the photo of Abbie on the bridge. However, the car is very hard to make out in the photo, and many say it does not even exist. If it does exist, it would be a suspect vehicle, as it was on the south side of the bridge parked on a little used access road.

As part of a dead theory about a botched abortion of one girl by relatives of the boy who may have impregnated her, we looked at a family called the S family. We did this erroneously as we had the wrong name of Abbie’s boyfriend. BS Junior is a former boyfriend of Abbie’s who is now just a friend, but we thought he was the current boyfriend. He was supposed to meet the girls that day and that in itself is quite interesting. I do not believe that BS Junior was involved in any way in the crime.

We considered BS Senior as part of this theory for a while. He is very large and looks pretty tough. In one photo he has a knife sheathed to his belt and air of menace about him. He weights a good 280 pounds. BS Senior has a minor criminal record. BS Senior put his silver Mercedes Benz up for sale very soon after the crime along with such strange items as a claw hammer, shoes, etc. My sources in Delphi felt that his putting that car up for sale so soon after the murders was very suspicious, hence BS Senior became a suspect in their theory. There is some other interesting possible evidence involving BS Senior I will not go into now.

He was on our radar too until the theory of his motive – stopping an unwanted pregnancy – was blown to smithereens. With no motive, it is hard to imagine why MS and BS Senior would do such a crime. They do not seem to be the types of men who would rape and murder teenage girls for kicks. After a lot of kibbutzing with each other, we decided to drop BS Senior and MS as POI’s. If BS Senior is dumped as a POI, his putting the vehicle up for sale right after the crime, while interesting, is probably just a coincidence. And now we are not even sure that a light-colored coupe was used in the crime. With no motive, BS Senior’s vehicle and presumably the other items such as the claw hammer and the shoes and the fact that they were put up for sale soon after the murders are not relevant to the crime.

I believe that BS Senior and MS are innocent of the murders of Abbie Williams and Liberty German.

I will elaborate on our clearing them in a post coming hopefully soon. It should have photos, etc. Persons of the S family may now please stop threatening to sue me for libel. BS Junior, a mere boy of 13, was never suspected by anyone anyway. In my opinion, the whole family is off the hook mostly due to a lack of motive, as the original theory of their motive burned up.

Scenario

I believe the girls were ordered down the hill by the killer. When they got to the bottom of the hill, an altercation took place. I believe he beat them with his pistol. This is the part in the tape where the girls suddenly start screaming.

Subdued by the pistol blows, the girls were tied up and placed in a vehicle parked on the little used road on the south side of the bridge. This is a former access road for bridge workers. Bridge Guy possibly had the help of another man who may have participated in the crime. The girls were probably bundled into the trunk. The vehicle was rapidly driven out that road and onto several other roads until it got to the north side of the bridge, where it turned into the Mears property and drove into the Mears barn, the kill site. The Mears in the house nearest that barn were gone that day, and the killers may well have known that. Ron Logan was also gone that afternoon, and the killers may well have known that too.

Finally, a Vehicle of Interest

There would have had to have been two vehicles used. The White Dart with paper plates may be Bridge Guy’s vehicle. It was seen parked at the trailhead at the exact time Bridge Guy was accosting the girls on the bridge. Although we cannot prove that Bridge Guy arrived in that vehicle, I believe that this late model Dart with paper plates should certainly be seen as a vehicle of interest. LE has not mentioned anything about this vehicle, but I believe they should. Even if they don’t, others should be watching and jogging their memories about such a vehicle.

*We refers to the hive mind consisting of me and my fellow sleuths who work on this case with me. We bounce ideas off of each other all the time, and almost all of my theories are in part their theories too. It’s a group effort of putting a number of brains together to solve a problem, and it seems to work well. Similarly, statements such as “we are clearing them” simply means that our group no longer considers these people suspects. We can’t clear anyone; only LE can do that. It just means that they are cleared in our minds.

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Death of a Theory and Clearing of More POI’s in the Delphi Murders

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

In a homicide, all theories must be considered, all of them, no exception. There is no theory that may not be considered on some grounds like it would upset the persons who are suspected. LE doesn’t care if you don’t like being a suspect. Neither does anyone else. There are no theories that are false right out of the starting gate because the people involved are too nice or groovy to do such a thing.

I was a suspect in this crime myself. Quite a few silly retarded and brain-injured women, maybe a few dozen, reported me to the police for killing those girls. I even got a call from an ISP detective about it. I was not really worried, as I was in California the whole time, and in fact, I have not left this state 3 1/2 years. Further, I have never set one foot in Indiana. It didn’t really bother me that the detective called me. They have to consider all leads, and I was a viable suspect for the reason that the tipsters felt that I knew so much about the crime that I must have committed it. That’s a reasonable hypothesis.

However, all of that information was gleaned by me from available rumors about the crime. I didn’t commit this crime, so I’m not worried about being charged or even people thinking I did it. People who wish to think I did this crime can continue to knock themselves out. Go for it. They can accuse me of committing any other nasty unsolved crimes out there too while they’re at it. Actually the nastier the crime is, the more they should accuse me of it. If I am as awful as my enemies think, there’s clearly no limit to my depravity. Why should I care? I didn’t do any of those nasty unsolved homicides out there. I’m quite certain of that. So my enemies can accuse me of these things until the cows come home.

After considering all of the theories so far, a theory promoted by two women from the area was brought to my attention. This theory first of all involved MP and CP. The women felt that MP was definitely involved, and CP may have been involved too. This was an interesting theory with some nice evidence behind it, but I feel that the evidence was not good.

MP has been accused of this crime by many people since Day One. CP is a newer name that is coming up a lot. Anyway, after deep study, my conclusion is that both CP and MP are innocent of the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. The main rejoinder is that both men have airtight alibis for the time of the crime. In addition, much of the evidence against them falls apart on examination. Nevertheless, it was important to consider these men as suspects. Interesting evidence was available, and we even had a coherent theory to go along with it.

There were two other men involved in these women’s theory. In their opinion, these men were the main ones behind the crime. Their names are BS Senior and MS. This theory was based on the premise that Abigail Williams was discovered to be pregnant on autopsy with BS Junior’s baby, BS Junior being Abigail’s girlfriend. The pregnancy rumor is like the zombies in Night of the Living Dead. People keep shooting it down, but it keeps getting up and walking again. This theory just will not die. Most recently, I talked to a member of Abbie’s family who is close to Anna Williams. She told me that her best theory was the botched abortion theory. This implies to me that the pregnancy rumor carries some weight if even the closest family members seem to believe it.

Poor Abbie was also found with a stake driven into her stomach or abdomen. Attempts have been made to shoot down this theory too, but they have not been common.

Furthermore, someone mentioned that Abbie was impaled in this way in a discussion on a site that is frequented by family members. No one said a thing, and if it was false, they would have all jumped up to smash it down.

A Delphi man posted a crime scene photo on his private website. It was seen by a number of people. The website owner and the people who saw the photo all concurred that Abbie had a stake driven into her. This seems like pretty good evidence to me.

No one quite knows how she was impaled in this way. At first we thought that the killer did it at the dump site, dumping the girls and then driving the stake into the girl before he left.

A recent rumor said she was impaled via the vagina up into her stomach or abdomen. That’s actually a worse way to go. If impaled from above, she may have died quickly. If the stake was driven horizontally instead of vertically, she may well have suffered an agonizing and drawn-out death. A horizontal impalement looks like a botched attempt at an abortion.

Indian women used to give themselves abortions in this way, but they used more caution of course. It was called sticking. They poked a stick up through the cervix into the uterus and moved it around until the stick dislodged the fetus from the uterine wall. Once the fetus is torn off the wall, it is going to die. This will result in the woman having what looks like the Mother of all Periods or even a miscarriage. The fabled wire coat hanger approach worked via the same method.

Even with a vertical impalement, it’s a strange way to kill a girl even as rapist-murderers go. Once again a vertical impalement would look like one final attempt to kill a fetus.

The theory that Abbie was pregnant and the evidence that she was impaled with a sharp stick in the stomach taken together imply an attempt to abort Abbie’s pregnancy and kill the fetus. 

The logical suspects in that case would be the family of the boy who got her pregnant. Presumably they might want to kill a 13 year old girl’s fetus if she refused to get an abortion so as to spare a young son a lifetime of child support payments and the shame of being a teenage father. It’s actually an excellent theory, and LE must consider all theories, if only to rule them out.

According to these women, BS Senior and MS, older relatives of BS Junior, conspired to do this crime in order to abort Abbie’s fetus.

One theory is that they just tried to terrorize her or scare her and things got out of hand. Libby was watching and went wild watching her friend being subjected to an amateur abortion. She ran towards the men and attacked them.

The men were alarmed, stopped the amateur abortion, and wrestled with Libby. Libby was very strong and things got out of hand real fast. All of this was all taking place in the Mears barn. The men reached around and found some baling wire in the barn and used it to double garrot Libby. Libby fought hard and injured her fingers in the double garroting. Now that Libby was dead, the men were panicked. This is not how things were supposed to go. They had intended to leave Abbie alive, but now she was a witness to the murder of her friend. She had to be killed too.

After they killed (or tried to kill) Abbie, they waited nervously in the barn watching until the searchers left. Between 3-7 AM, the coast was clear to put the girls in the car, drive the car across the street to the cemetery, drive to the SE gate of a cemetery where there is an unlocked gate, open the gate, and drive 10 feet onto Ron Logan’s horse pasture. Here there is a trail that the men use to drag the girls down to the dump site, where they were covered with leaves.

Poor Abbie was still alive, and she lingers for an unknown length of time. One source put her time of death at 9 AM. If she was impaled horizontally, she could indeed have lingered for 2-6 hours there, but she would have suffered terribly.

The rumored cause of death was exposure. Abbie somehow did not lose much blood, so this presumably enabled her to survive longer. Or maybe it was sheer willpower. In her weakened state in the cold weather and being naked in the forest, she could have easily died from exposure to the elements.

Of all of the theories put out there so far, this is the only one that was even coherent at all. I now feel that the crime did not take place this way ,and I no longer feel that the crime was a result of a botched abortion. I am also rejecting the murder to end the problematic pregnancy by the boys’ older male relatives theory. It was an excellent theory, but the more we looked at it, it didn’t hold up.

We never had much evidence against the S family. What little was there was certainly tantalizing, and I will go over it in a future post.

This theory bit the dust very quickly when we learned that the women had gotten the boyfriend’s name wrong. They had combined his first name with the S last name, creating a boy who did not exist named JS. After a while, we were corrected that Abbie’s boyfriend was actually a 16 year old boy named LH.

BS Junior is the actual name of the S boy who we mistakenly thought was her boyfriend. He is actually a former boyfriend, and they are still friends. Now that we knew that the S boy was not the boyfriend, the motive for the S boy’s older relatives to commit homicide to end a troublesome pregnancy vanished. The S men, no matter what evidence we had against them, no longer had any motive at all to commit this crime.

With the evaporation of the motive for both MS and BS Senior commit the murders gone as BS Junior was not her boyfriend, we felt we needed to clear MS and BS Senior of involvement. There is still some interesting evidence involving both men, and BS Junior was supposed to meet the girls there that day but failed to make it. This too may be a piece of the puzzle as maybe the killer knew the girls would be at the bridge that day via BS Junior’s statements of social media posts. We initially thought that that was how BS Senior and MS knew the girls would be there. BS Junior was never a suspect in this crime, but the fact that he was supposed to meet the girls there that day and may have discussed it with others or on social media seems to be good evidence. Did the killer hear him talking about this? Did the killer see his social media posts about this meeting?

This is a roundabout way of saying that I consider BS Senior and MS at the moment to be innocent of the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. BS Senior and MS can unlock their Facebook pages, which got locked up soon after people started talking about them.

Honestly we never had much on them anyway, although the evidence was certainly interesting if true. I will go over the evidence against these men and my rejoinders to that evidence in a future post.

Jason Holder

JH, 16, with a new girlfriend after the death of Abbie Williams. I believe he had nothing to do with this crime, and no one has ever suspected him anyway. I wish him the best of luck in the rest of his life.

This led us to the name of the real boyfriend and rumored father of Abbie’s unborn child, LH. He is 16 years old. His relatives are protesting furiously that Abbie was not pregnant, and they are threatening libel lawsuits left and right, but I’m not naming any names, so they won’t get anywhere. Anyway, you can’t libel a dead girl. Sorry. In addition, in order to prove that I libeled that dead girl, even if I did, one would have to prove that she was not pregnant. Best of luck proving that.

LH, who is also hysterical, may be reassured that none of us ever considered him a suspect in this crime. Instead we felt that an older relative may have committed the crime. We went back to the old theory of Abbie being killed to end a problematic pregnancy that threatened to ruin a teenage boy’s life. The suspect in this case would be BH, LH’s father.

BH is having conniption fits because he thinks we are talking about him, but no one is using his name, so Sparky needs to chill. Also from what I can tell, BH’s reputation is as low as whale shit, and that’s at the bottom of the ocean. Libel via defamation of character only works where the person has decent character or a good reputation to begin with. It’s pretty hard to defame someone who has a horrible reputation to start with. The thinking is, “How can it get any lower?” and “Everyone hates him anyway,” so libel seems preposterous.

Furthermore, according to LE, BH was already a suspect in this case, but according to BH, he was cleared. If BH was already an official LE suspect in this case, why is having epileptic fits over people suggesting that he’s a suspect in this case? I mean that’s a fact, right?

One wonders why LE would theorize that the father of Abbie’s boyfriend committed this crime. Could they be considering the same termination of problematic pregnancy via botched abortion to preserve the reputation and finances of Abbie’s boyfriend theory that we were onto? They must be considering the same theory because otherwise there is no reason to suspect BH.

Further, despite BH’s fumings, we are not the only people to suspect him of this crime. BH made a post a while ago complaining that local people were accusing him of committing the Delphi Murders.

He said he was innocent and claimed that police had cleared him. He also said he was hiring someone (presumably his Cousin Vinnie in Detroit) to go take care of the person who had turned him in.

As you can see, BH is not exactly a fine upstanding citizen! But he’s not a bad guy or anything like that! No way! He’s nice!

support your local heathens

A charming, warmhearted symbol from the webpage of the soft-spoken BH.

In fact, BH is a very dark character, a practitioner of the occult who wears all black, delights in looking as sinister and evil as possible, and gives of the general air of a devil worshiper or Satanist. Go to his Facebook site if you do not believe me. This is man who has cultivated an image of himself as the heir to Aleister Crowley’s throne and who seems to be in competition with Anton LeVay to see who can be the evillest man alive.

He is also a practitioner of Odinism, but many Odinists are also occultists and Satanists, and BH is clearly the Odinist-Satanist variety or at least he’s putting on an Academy Award winning act of being one.

There is a lot of overlap between the two. People have described BH to me as a racist of the White Supremacist type. “He has so much hate and anger in him. He’s such a frightening person,” one local told us.

Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Odinists in the US are also White Supremacists. In fact, I have never heard of an Odinist who is not a White Supremacist in the US.

There were some death metal types in Scandinavia who may not have been racists, but they were definitely Satanists. Odinists in Scandinavia who are followers of these bands are known for the charming act of burning down churches. In one famous case, a member of an Odinist death metal band murdered his bandmate and then ate part of the poor fellow’s brain, adding insult to injury. I believe he then committed suicide himself. I may have the facts mixed up. If so, someone help me out.

Anyway, you can see that even when these lovely Odinist fellows are not actual racists, then they are actual Satanists. And many of the racist types are also occultists or Satanists. BH has a photo of himself at a ceremony where a group of men are wearing black hoods and holding candles in the dark. I looked at that and the first thing I thought was, “Black Mass.” The Satanist vibe is overwhelming. I have now been told that this one not one of those evil Satanist ceremonies. Instead it was one of those kind, loving, innocuous Odinist gatherings. Excuse me for confusing the two!

BH has some pretty weird associates. His own girlfriend, VM, is heavy into witchcraft. Her pages are full of dark, creepy and Satanic imagery. Not that she’s a Satanist or anything like that! She’s probably the Good Witch of the West!

SHH appears to be the mother of LH. Looking at her friends list, SHH has some mighty strange associates herself.

One associate, JH, could pass for Bridge Guy. He is a very dark man and has a lot of disturbing and creepy quotes on his page. He appears to be an actual member of a gently caressing rock group called Pure Evil. Not that that would raise any eyebrows! If you go to the page of the harmless and innocent Pure Evil band, they have many dark, creepy, and disturbing pics on that site. Many of them are hard to even look at. That’s how bad they are.

As you can see, BH’s extended family and friends contain a lot of creepy and scary people. A number of them are way off into the Dark Side, for whatever that’s worth. That means they are de facto Satanists if you want the shorthand.

The Case Against BH

BH is a dark, disturbing man, a practitioner of Odinism and probably Satanism. If he’s not a Satanist, he does the best imitation east of the Mississippi, which is apparently his intention. Sources who have looked at his Facebook page have described him variously as “evil, pure evil, frightening and terrifying.” He appears to be the type of person who is capable of committing crimes like these.

BH was so upset that someone would dare to turn him in as a suspect in this crime that he threatened to send one of his gangster tough associates out to teach them a lesson, probably by menacing them and possibly by assaulting them or worse. So BH likes to threaten and menace people.

BH did not seem particularly upset by the girls’ deaths. In one post, he complained about having to take his son to the girls’ funerals. Considering his son was the boyfriend of one of the girls and possibly the father of her unborn baby, BH’s comment seems remarkably callous.

BH does not appear to like women very much. He has some very angry anti-woman posts on his Facebook site.

BH, while not resembling BG, may in fact resemble BG’s helper visible in the photo of Abbie on the bridge.

Rejoinders to the Charges Against BH

I really hate to defend this piece of work because he’s such a nasty fellow. Furthermore, this tool, his foolish son and his other lame family members are all threatening to sue me for libel. Nevertheless, fair is fair, and while he’s clearly not a very nice person, I do not think he is a killer. His son LH was never a suspect in my book in the first place, so there is no evidence to counter.

rites of odin

Rites of Odin. Sorry, nope, not a fun and games religion. In the US, all or almost all Odinists are White Supremacists and occult believes and Satanism are also common. In Scandinavia, you may have non-racist Odinists, but they are nevertheless Satanists who like to burn churches, kill each other and eat each other’s brains and other harmless fun and games. Odinists are not very nice people!

BH is a dark, disturbing man, a practitioner of Odinism and probably Satanism. Sources who have looked at his Facebook page have described him variously as “evil, pure evil, frightening, and terrifying.” He very much appears to be the type of person who is capable of committing crimes like these: Just because someone looks bad doesn’t mean they actually do bad things, and in particular, just because this fellow looks like a very bad man (obviously his intention), does not mean that he committed these murders.

LE considered him a suspect: Yes, and according to BH, they cleared him, too.

Many people accused him of committing these crimes: Many people accused me of killing  those girls too, and I was 2,000 miles away. I’d love to figure out how to kill people from 2,000 miles away because some of my enemies clearly deserve it, but alas, it doesn’t seem to be possible. I’ve tried everything, believe me.

BH was so upset that someone would dare to turn him in as a suspect in this crime that he threatened to send one of his gangster tough associates out to teach them a lesson, probably by menacing them and possibly by assaulting them or worse. So BH likes to threaten and menace people: Yep, he’s not a nice guy! He enjoys threatening and menacing people, which goes along with his Beelzebub persona. Threatening someone who accuses you of committing a crime is one thing, raping and murdering young teenage girls, quite another.

BH did not seem particularly upset by the girls’ deaths. In one post, he complains about having to take his son to the girls’ funerals. Considering his son was the boyfriend of one of the girls and possibly the father of her unborn baby, BH’s comment seems remarkably callous: Damn right that’s callous, but Mr. BH is not a very nice man, and this callousness goes with the territory. I’m sure he’s quite happy to be a callous prick, as he seems to cultivate a persona like that. Not caring a whole lot about the girls’ (including the girlfriend of his own son!) horrible deaths is one thing. Guys like BH are not real caring individuals, nor do they wish to be. On the other hand, being callous about their deaths does not mean that he killed those girls. He’s clearly a callous bastard, but he’s not a murderer.

BH does not appear to like women very much. He has some very angry anti-woman posts on his Facebook site:  I’ve got some news for you all. Men like BH who cultivate an aura of evil and menace, practice frightening occult religions like Odinism with strong overtones of violence and blood sacrifice, are White Supremacists, and threaten to send their toughs out to sort out people who diss them also tend not like women very much. These men are very macho and often extremely conservative. Indeed, BH is an extremely conservative politically just as we would expect.

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A ceremony of shy, mild-mannered Odinists. Notice they’re all White? That’s no accident. At first I thought this was some sort of a Satanic rite, and the overlap between Odinists and Satanists is high. In the US, all or almost all Odinists are White Supremacists. This religion also has deep fascist roots.

There is strong overlap between Odinism,  Satanism, of course White Supremacism and fascism. While I am uncertain if BH is a fascist, fascist organizations dating back to the 1920’s were very heavily populated with men exactly like him. Indeed, BH is nearly a prototype of the men who formed Brownshirt gangs in the streets.

Let me tell you something about fascist men. They don’t like women very much. Many are heterosexual (but quite a few others are not!), but they tend to look down on women as inferior creatures. The Fuhrer said the woman’s place was the home, the kitchen and raising children. The original German had three k’s in it, but I forget it now. Fascist organizations often promote very backwards and traditional roles for women.

Fascist men are men’s man who prefer the company of men to the women they consider inferior. These men’s disdain for women is part of why that there is a high rate of male homosexuality (of the leather tough type, albeit) among fascist adherents. Popular MRA author Jack Donovan is an archetype of this sort of man. Fascist organizations are all-male affairs because women are not thought to be capable of making important decisions, as they are too irrational and unstable for leadership.

All of this is a roundabout way of saying, “Well, if BH doesn’t like women too much, what do you expect?” This sort of deep sexism is just what you would expect in such a fellow. And misogyny is not illegal yet. I am sure the feminists are getting around to it. Casual misogyny is so common among heterosexual men that I would almost consider it to be the norm. Oh, what little you women know about us men!

So if BH is a sexist and misogynist, OK, he has tens of millions of other American he-men who feel the same way. He’s not alone. With at least 20 million casual misogynists among American men, clearly they can’t all be rapists and killers. Most sexist and misogynist men probably never commit a serious violent crime against a female. Even among those who do, it’s often limited to date rape, wife or girlfriend rape, wife or girlfriend beating, threats, menacing,  etc.

Just because BH may not be fond of women doesn’t mean he’s a rapist-murderer!

Further Acquitting Evidence for BH

People who have been to BH’s page describe him as optimistic, upbeat and very much into self-improvement. He wants to be alive and free and seems well centered despite his odd beliefs. This would seem to argue against the sort of disturbed psyche who would commit this offense.

Some who have gone to BH’s site have said that BH and LH both seem to be broken up over this horror. Although the callous funeral comments argue against that, perhaps BH is a complex fellow.

BH has long had a full dark beard. Bridge Guy has no beard. BH could not have shaved off his beard in time to do this crime and then grown it back so long already.

BH seems to be the wrong height and weight for Bridge Guy. BH seems to be quite a bit heavier than Bridge Guy. He also appears shorter. BG is approximately 5’10, 180 pounds. BH seems shorter and heavier than that. The body type is not correct.

Perhaps most importantly of all, if BH is correct and he may well be, then LE has already cleared this suspicious but ultimately innocent man.

BH, while not resembling BG, may in fact resemble BG’s helper visible in the photo of Abbie on the bridge. I have seen the photo in question, and I do not see any man in that photo, much less a man who looks like BH.

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This is BH, the man with the carefully cultivated Mr. Evil Satanist persona who claims I am ruining his good reputation. I wasn’t aware he had one. He is not well-liked, and sources have described him to me as a racist full of hate and anger. But he’s actually a really nice guy! No really! The photos to the right were sent to me by a source who says that they can see BH in the circled area of the photo. I do not see BH or any other human in that circled area. In addition, I am quite certain that BH had nothing to do with this crime.

In conclusion, I believe that both BH and of course LH are innocent of the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

You know this post won’t satisfy these characters, and they and their ridiculous family will continue to issue silly libel threat lawsuits against me. You just can’t win with some people. You tell them you think they’re innocent, and they still want to beat you up. Go figure.

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Delphi Murders: My Clearing of Two of My Major POI’s

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Sun: Robert, elimination of all your recent POI’s makes sense except for one. Multiple commenters in this new continue to refer to MP/CP. That was also the one avenue I was surprised to see you now rule out. Was there something definitive that resulted in your shift in thinking? What was it?

The names of MP and CP have been commonly bandied about among both locals and non-locals as possible suspects in the Delphi Murders. After much consideration, I am making this post to state my opinion that both of these men are innocent of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams.

The purpose of this post is to announce my clearing of both MP and CP as POI’s. I will share photos that can reveal these men’s identities, but as I am acquitting them, I don’t see why this is a problem. This whole post is about what I feel is their innocence, so I do not see what the fuss would be.

MP and CP are both cleared at least in my mind. Obviously I cannot clear anyone, but I can clear some suspects in my own mind anyway and that is all that this post is about.

Yes, both CP and MP have rock solid alibis for the period of the crime. CP was at work at Subaru, and MP was at work at his business. Both CP and MP appeared on the scene at 5:30 PM as part of the initial search and searched for at least four hours until 9:30 PM. Family and friends came back at 12 PM and searched until 2:30 AM. I assume that CP and MP were part of this second group. So CP and MP are accounted for at the time of the crime.

If the girls were being held in the barn as I believe, MP and CP would have had to come back probably at 2:30 PM to participate in the goings on at the barn. That seems most unlikely to me, as this seems to be about the time the boys in the barn were finishing up business. The girls were probably dumped between 2:30 AM and 7:30 AM. If CP and MP were missing from their homes at this time, we would have heard about it. One may inquire of Becky P regarding MP’s whereabouts at that time. I am sure she will tell you he was at home.

Of all of the people wounded in the fallout from this crime, Becky Patty seems to have been injured worst of all. I have heard that Becky goes in for her appointments in town and refuses to talk. She won’t say a word. She just sits there and sobs the whole time. She’s taking this harder than anyone. You have to prioritize your grief and rage or your marriage. I am quite certain that Becky Patty values her grief far more than her marriage. If she thought for one second that MP was involved, she would have turned him in in a NY minute. The fact that she has not speaks volumes to me.

Also I have heard testimonies from people who know MP that he is a solid stand-up guy. I have reason to believe he is not perfect, especially in terms of his relationship to Libby. However, this looks more like a case of over-parenting than anything else. People who know MP are dumbfounded that he could be involved and insist that he just doesn’t have it in him.

Looking at his history, MP seems to be a stand-up guy, particularly in terms of the seedy hillbilly underbelly of Delphi you glimpse when you rip that fake Mayberry hardcore Christian conservative facade off. Delphi is Tobacco Road a century in the future. All is not as it seems in this seemingly idyllic all-American town.

In terms of that backdrop, MP seems to be one of the finest men in town. He runs his own business and makes a good living at it. It would be hard to see him jeopardize that. He has taken in a number of kids as adoptees. It looks like 3-4 at last count. The rumor that he is a Satanist is probably not true. Instead, he seems to be a devoutly religious Christian. He took in CP as an adopted child also, so CP is not his real son. He also took in Libby. He’s more of a long-suffering man in the true Christian spirit of Dostoevsky and You Know Who who sacrifices for others with little complaint.

The Case Against MP

Police said they were looking for someone wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe. I have two photos of MP wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe.

Mike Patty black tennis shoes white stripe

MP’s black and white shoes from a distance.

MP’s lower right arm was badly scratched up right after the crime.

Scratches on Mike Pattys arm

Scratches on MP’s arm seen soon after the crime. Although I regard this man as innocent, I still have no explanation for these marks.

MP wore a watch on his left wrist. Soon after the crime, the watch was still there, but the clock  face seemed to have been ripped off the watch and all that was left was a partial watchband in the form of a bracelet.

Also his seeming lack of emotional response to his granddaughter being murdered is puzzling. A few months after the time, MP was thought to have an air of relief about him.

MP bears a very strong resemblance to Bridge Guy when photos are compared.

MP and Bridge Guy

Side by side comparisons of BG and MP show a remarkable resemblance.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby. She had run away from home many times, which was in part behind the muted response to her being missing. No one knows why she kept running away. Libby complained the MP stalked her. She also was known to hide when he came to see her. Some have suggested that this may mean that MP was having sex with his daughter.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby’s birth mother. MP was also said to be exasperated by the task of raising Libby.

MP is Liberty’s guardian, her own grandfather. His son CP may have been having sex with Libby according to statements he made on Facebook.

Cody Patty conversation about Libby

Statement by CP suggesting sex with an underage girl, possibly Libby.

Son is 28 years old. In the US, that man is a child molester and will go down on that charge and be registered sex offender for the rest of his life. CP may also have been having sex with Libby’s sister, now 16, starting when she was 13. He would have been an adult when possibly doing that too, and it was also illegal.

Kelsis story

Kelsi’s story. I think there is a longer version on the Net. A couple of local women told me that they thought the older man Kelsi was having sex with was CP.

According to this theory, Libby may have been killed to prevent a possible pregnancy or to keep her from going to authorities about the statutory rape.

The Case Against CP

CP and MP are both rumored to be involved in child pornography.

CP already has ~4 DUI’s at the young age of 28. Surely he has been in jail before. The DUI’s are at ~2 year intervals dating back to when he was ~20 years old. CP is a charming Alpha male player type with a bad boy air about him.

CP has some quite unsavory friends, including one in Lafayette who was arrested on 2-15 for possession of methamphetamine, sale of methamphetamine and having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old girl whom he also photographed. Photos were found on his phone.

Secondary Motive for MP

Secondary motive may be Satanism/occult. There is an occult circle in Carroll County that has been there for decades and holds regular outdoor meetings and ceremonies. Both MS and MP are rumored to be practicing Satanists and members of this occult circle. Probably not a primary motive, but they may have thought if they were going to kill them anyway, they might as well make it into a Satanic sacrifice.

Killed on the 13th: bad luck day, occult significance

32: add up numbers in kill date and get 32. 32 has occult significance, Day of Sacrifice

Abigail Williams: Abigail Williams, accuser in Salem witch trials, sent a number of women to their deaths who were accused of being witches. Satanists consider her an eternal enemy who sent many persons who they call witches to their deaths. They also say she was a traitor and a former witch herself. Now Abigail Williams lives as a 13 yr old girl in Indiana, and they get to kill their age old enemy, Abigail Williams.

Primary motive: The S’s motives are presently unknown. MP may killed Libby to protect CP from possible charges of statutory rape from Libby which would have sent him to prison for child molestation and put him on the Registered Sex Offender list for rest of life.

Ron Logan: Remember Oswald, “I’m just a patsy!”

Ivan Brumbaugh: Innocent, guilty of contaminating a crime scene.

Rejoinders to the charges against MP and CP:

Police said they were looking for someone wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe. I have two photos of MP wearing black tennis shoes with a white stripe: MP’s shoes are actually not tennis shoes, but instead are high-top sneakers. I do not believe we are talking about the same shoes here.

Mike Patty black tennis shoes white stripe closeup

MP’s black shoes with white stripe from a distance.

MP’s lower right arm was badly scratched up right after the crime. Suggestion is his lower arm got torn up by a violent victim he was fighting with: People who know MP state that his arm has been this way for a long time as a result of weathering and a lifetime of hard work. They say these scars did not appear overnight but have been there for some time. In lieu of any evidence for the other theory, this seems to be the best explanation for these wounds.

Mike Patty broken watch

So called broken watch was actually a memorial bracelet from a charity bike ride on 2-15.

MP wore a watch on his left wrist. Soon after the crime, the watch was still there, but the clock  face seemed to have been ripped off the watch and all that was left was a partial watchband in the form of a bracelet. Suggestion is that the watch face was torn off by a victim he was tussling violently with: This is a matter of misidentification. MP apparently removed his watch after the crime. He acquired a memorial bracelet at the charity bike ride after the deaths. It is this bracelet that can be seen on his wrist, not a broken watch.

Mike Patty

This is the photograph where MP was said to have scratches on one arm and a broken watch on the other. See rejoinders above.

His seeming lack of emotional response to his granddaughter being murdered is puzzling: Many people are suspicious of MP’s behavior after the crime. However, given his solid alibis, I simply feel that people handle emotions in different ways. I have been accused of being a bit of a Doctor Spock myself, but I do have emotions, I assure you. I feel this is simply MP’s individual way of processing this trauma.

A few months after the time, MP was thought to have an air of relief about him. This suggests that he may have been relieved that his role in the crime was not found out: Given his solid alibi, I feel sure he was not involved. Perhaps the sense of relief is in the sense that his own trauma is fading as the events are starting to fade into memory and he is getting back to the business of living. Grieving is a sign of compassion and humanity, but life is for the living. Spinoza said as much. Regardless of your trauma, life must go on. The girls are gone no matter how MP processes this crime. He can be a broken man forever or he can move on, and the girls are not coming back either way. So there is no practical reason to ruin your own life over the death of another. You are just creating one more victim.

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Striking resemblance of MP and the Bridge Guy.

MP bears a very strong resemblance to Bridge Guy when photos are compared: The photos of MP and Bridge Guy do show a remarkable resemblance. In fact, a fellow sleuth is so convinced by this analysis that he is certain that MP killed those girls. The problem here would only be known by those of us who have seen many such comparisons. The photo of BG is very poor. It seems half of Delphi and many men in the surrounding area and even up to 350 miles away show a striking resemblance to BG.

This is also not the first photo comparison I have seen showing a remarkable resemblance to a POI and Bridge Guy. I have seen at least three others where you would swear that man had to be BG. Obviously all three of these men cannot be BG. Saying someone looks like BG is of limited utility as so many fit the bill. Even photo lineups showing striking resemblances are not impressive as MP’s is the fourth one I have seen so far. Photos of men looking like BG and even comparisons like the above showing remarkable resemblances with BG are of limited utility.

Further, MP appears to have a rock solid alibi that he was at work at the time of the abduction when this photograph of BG was taken. Unless MP can be in two places at once somehow, he cannot possibly be BG, striking resemblances be damned.

In addition, MP seems much heavier than BG whose weight was estimated by an expert at 180 pounds. In addition, he does not seem to be a tall man. I do not know MP’s height, but I question whether is even 5’10, which is BG’s height. His height and weight would seem to rule out his being BG.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby. She had run away from home many times, which was in part behind the muted response to her being missing. No one knows why she kept running away. Libby complained the MP stalked her. She also was known to hide when he came to see her. Some have suggested that this may mean that MP was having sex with his daughter: MP and Libby had a difficult relationship, and she seemed frightened of him and accused him of stalking her. She hid from him when he came. This would seem to imply that not all was kosher with Dad and daughter in this household.

However, I think this is more a sign of over-parenting. Knowing his deeply religious background, MP may have been a strict stepfather. The stalking may have been him trying to keep tabs on a rebellious daughter. She may have been hiding from him if he was a strict disciplinarian. There is no evidence for what boils down to WAG’s that MP was having sex with his daughter, and it seems quite out of character for MP.

MP had a strained relationship with Libby’s birth mother. MP was also said to be exasperated by the task of raising Libby. Implication here is that by killing  Libby, MP was ridding himself of an exasperating problem. I must say that killing Libby would make MP’s life orders of magnitude worse, assuming he was caught, than the trying task of raising Libby.  MP also seems to be a true Christian long-suffering for good and the good of others sort. Dostoevsky says “the Christian must fail.” This means that in a world ruled by evil, the only way to win and get ahead is to be bad. Trying to be good is futile and will only end in poverty and failure. Although MP is not poor, his life is in line with this thinking that in an evil world, men dedicated to the good are bound to suffer.  This is probably part of his religious faith and he accepts it as such.

Possible Satanism/occult motive to the crime. Secondary motive may be Satanism/occult. There is an occult circle in Carroll County that has been there for decades and holds regular outdoor meetings and ceremonies. Both MS and MP are rumored to be practicing Satanists and members of this occult circle. Probably not a primary motive, but they may have thought if they were going to kill them anyway, they might as well make it into a Satanic sacrifice: For the life of me, I cannot see MP as a Satanism or even being involved in the occult in any way. I am just not buying it. He would have to live an extreme double life as both a deeply religious Christian and a Satanist. Just forget it.

Rejoinders to the Case Against CP

Cody Patty confessing to sex with Liberty German 2

Facebook post with CP stating he had sex with an underage girl. People who saw this said he was confessing to having sex with Libby.

MP is Liberty’s guardian, her own grandfather, His son CP may have been having sex with Libby. Son is 28 years old. In the US, that man is a child molester and will go down on that charge and be registered sex offender for the rest of his life. CP may also have been having sex with Libby’s sister, now 16, starting when she was 13. He was an adult when possibly doing that too, and it was also illegal. Libby may have been killed to prevent a possible pregnancy or to keep her from going to authorities about the statutory rape: A recent theory, the best theory so far, is that Abbie was pregnant, and the crime was a botched abortion. It sounds bizarre, but it makes more sense than anything prior.

Perhaps CP had sex with Libby. This may be suggested from Facebook posts where he admits to having had sex with a 14 year old girl. Bizarrely, this post was made on 2-14, the day the girls bodies were discovered. CP’s friends say he was just joking around and suggest that these are just lyrics to a song, possibly a rap song. CP is either not very smart or he has very poor taste to be making such statements after two young teenage girls were raped and murdered. Hence perhaps he and his father were worried about a possible sex charge and resulting RSO status for life. There may also have been a worry that Libby was pregnant.

The fact that CP and MP both have rock solid alibis for the crime period would seem to render this motive moot. Further, it is not even 100% certain that CP had sex with Libby, or if he did, if she was going to turn him in. Libby was almost surely not pregnant. If she was not pregnant, why would anyone worry that she was? This was always an interesting motive, but it has bit the dust with the excellent alibis of CP and MP.

Two local women told me that CP had sex with Libby and also was suspected to be the older man who Libby’s sister Kelsi wrote about having a long-term sexual affair with. CP’s friends deny that he has committed statutory rape, but there are a number of people in and around Delphi who state the opposite. At any rate, one of the possible victims is dead now, and dead girls can’t testify. The other girl is now older but was known for refusing to finger the man she was having sex with because she loved him. So CP seems in the clear even if the accusations are true, and we have no proof that they are. We only have rumors. At any rate, this case is about the rapes and murders of two young teenage girls. Statutory rape is another matter altogether and is frankly beyond the scope of this post and for that matter this amateur investigation we have going on here.

In addition, it is not even certain that CP had sex with any underage teenage girls ever, as his friends claim that his confession is just a joke.

I will say that CP does not seem have very good judgement and is no stranger to breaking the law.  He’s clearly spent months in jail, and his driver’s license is probably suspended for quite some time. He’s hardly an upstanding fellow, but I do not believe he is a murderer.

Cody Patty confessing to sex with Liberty German

A photo that some think shows a close relationship between Libby and CP. However, they were also cousins, though not related by blood. Cousins can be quite close.

CP and MP are both rumored to be involved in child pornography: This is quite a stunning charge, and no evidence has been provided for it. CP may like to have sex with underage girls and men who do so, often photograph their activities. So we are not talking about the real deal child pornography but instead media involving naked teenage girls or sex with teenage girls. If you have ever seen a photo of a naked teenage girl (there are many quite legal nudist photos on the Net if you wish to peek), it looks exactly like a naked woman. Any normal man would be aroused by such a thing, so it’s not abnormal to find this arousing.

Although CP may have taken such photos at such time, I very much doubt if MP did unless he led some double life. Perhaps MP had a double life, but I doubt it. Also MP does not seem to be a sexually obsessed fellow. He may well enjoy sex, but I don’t think he is into sex to the point where it becomes an obsession and a problem, sometimes with criminal overtones. I’m just not buying this.

CP has some quite unsavory friends, including one in Lafayette who was arrested on 2-15 for possession of methamphetamine, sale of methamphetamine and having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old girl whom he also photographed. Photos were found on his phone: Clearly CP is not an angel by any means. But having bad friends and being a rapist-murderer are two different things. Fortunately, we are not allowed to be charged with having criminal friends, or quite a few of us would be imprisoned.

CP already has ~4 DUI’s at the young age of 28. Surely he has been in jail before. The DUI’s are at ~2 year intervals dating back to when he was ~20 years old:  CP has worse problems with alcohol and driving as Ron Logan, and Ron is 50 years CP’s senior. CP is not getting off to a very good start in life. But being a drunk driver and being a rapist-murderer are two very different things, as the persecution of Ron Logan showed us.

CP is a charming Alpha male player type with a bad boy air about him: Many men are like this. Rakes are not the finest of men, and they are no doubt quite happy with that status. Even aging roues like me are not so exemplary. There’s a difference between being a bad boy and a bad man. Lots of us are bad boys. I still get called that, and I am almost 60. It may well be terminal in my case. Bad boys are mostly just rebels who live up to the Alpha male stereotype. Women love bad boys, much to their detriment, but their lust for scary men is part of what drives so many men to play the role. If we men are to be rewarded for acting like callous sociopaths, a lot of us will play that role, if only to get laid. Sorry ladies, this is just how men are. If you don’t like it, there’s always the YWCA.

The man who did this crime is surely a bad boy, but he is also something much worse – is a bad man. CP is quite a bad boy, but I doubt if he is a real bad man of the type that would do such a crime.

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The Lies Never Stop

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

Boy I cannot believe how much people lie about me. Almost every single thing my enemies say about me is a flat-out lie. At best they are deliberate distortions deviously taken out of context or misinterpreted to make me look bad. It’s hard to believe so many people are full of so much hate.

Here are some samples.

Robert Lindsay had a friend draw it. At least thats what he said. Le is saying it is not legitimate and are not condoning it.

Two heads comparison

The drawing in question is on the right.

Of course I didn’t have a friend draw it! I think I got it off Websleuths. It’s provenance is uncertain.

My enemies are retarded. They are confusing two different drawings.

One was of a young man who looks nothing like Bridge Guy. This is the one that LE immediately denounced and said was not commissioned by them.

The one above however that I found on Websleuths had comments with it stating that this drawing was apparently drawn by an LE artist. I am not aware of LE ever renouncing this photo even once.

Robert Lindsay has been on his blog all weekend, accusing everyone under the sun of killing the girls. First, he said it was someone that would knock us out of our seats (that never came, however). Then he accused Abbie’s boyfriend and his father. Then another father/son duo with the last name of “S”. Then that SAME family, but this time the uncle/nephew duo.

First it was a murder to keep them quiet because Abbie was pregnant and they didn’t want to deal with the baby and then it was a “botched abortion” that was never meant to be a murder. (So what does he think happened? The men were going to pull the girls off the bridge, give Abbie an abortion, and then send them on their merry way?) A very long blog entry talks about 13 years old girls and their sexual appetites. (Y’all can find that one on your own.) He also suspects a Satanic conspiracy.

Basically, Robert has thrown a bunch of things at the wall to see what sticks. His followers continue to “thank him” for providing such “good” updates and information, even though he’s getting his info from forums, boards, and messageboards and then just rewriting him.

I have no idea if any of his theories are correct. However, if they’re not, then he’s dragging a bunch of people through the mud.

I am not accusing anyone of doing this crime. We do have some folks who I and others regard as suspects or POI’s.

Incidentally, none of these people or theories came from me. They come from two women, one in Delphi and another in a nearby town, who have done more research on this case than anyone I know outside of LE. These theories and the suspects are from them. I know you all do not like me “stealing” suspects and theories, but that’s just tough shit.

We have elaborated on these women’s theories. I have no idea if these men are guilty or not. That is for LE to determine.

Incidentally the theory and suspects coming from these women are the only ones I have heard so far that are coherent, make much sense and explain the facts of the case.  That doesn’t mean it’s true, but it’s the best theory so far.

As far as dragging names through the mud, every forum, in particular the Topix forum where this slug slithered out of it, has been naming people with real names and faces all over the place. They have probably named 50-100 people by now.

I have never accused Abbie’s boyfriend of a thing. Nor have I accused his father of a thing. I am also not accusing any father-son duo with the last name S. I don’t know where they came up with that because I never said it.

Then the same family, but this time an uncle/nephew team of doing it.

I never said that either. It is true that we regard some members of the S. family as suspects or POI’s.

First it was a murder to keep them quiet because Abbie was pregnant and they didn’t want to deal with the baby

Correct, and this is the best theory on this murder I have heard so far.

then it was a “botched abortion” that was never meant to be a murder.

We don’t know. Maybe they intended to leave her alive, or maybe they intended to kill her. Further, there is superb evidence for this botched abortion theory.

So what does he think happened? The men were going to pull the girls off the bridge, give Abbie an abortion, and then send them on their merry way?

Actually, some of us thought that maybe they were going to do an amateur abortion on one girl and then terrorize both of them into silence by threatening to kill them if they said anything. If someone threatened to kill me if I talked, I might never talk. This is a valid theory in my opinion.

A very long blog entry talks about 13 years old girls and their sexual appetites. (Y’all can find that one on your own.)

This post says absolutely no such thing about 13 year old girls and their sexual appetites, though obviously that is a valid thing to write about considering the avalanche of lies I am hearing about this subject. Did you know that 10’s of millions of grown women claim 13 year old girls have no sex drive whatsoever? Incredible, isn’t it?

The blog points out the severe puritanism involved in accusing me of libeling a dead girl by saying she had sex. Even if she was 13, it’s not libel to suggest she had sex. It’s only libel if you think sex is some horrible evil and it’s a diabolical insult to accuse a pure and virginal 13 year old angel of such beastly behavior. It’s not libel to state a 13 year old girl had sex because there’s nothing wrong with 13 year old girls having sex. A libel has to be an insult, and that’s not an insult.

I don’t care if 13 year old girls have sex. They can do it all they want for all I care. I only wish that they not get pregnant as a result. The post also states my opinion that teenage minors have free sexual agency and should have a right to have sex with any other teenage minors.

He also suspects a Satanic conspiracy.

Actually, I don’t. This is just another theory from the women I discussed above. These theories are their babies. We are considering a Satanic motive to this crime, especially as two of our POI’s are said to be practicing Satanists with deep involvement in a local occult circle in Carroll County. One of these men is almost certainly a Satanist.

Basically, Robert has thrown a bunch of things at the wall to see what sticks.

Exactly. This is precisely what I want everyone to do. Throw out any theory you have out there, any POI’s or suspects you have, and let’s see what you’ve got. Incidentally this is the approach used by all good detectives.

even though he’s getting his info from forums, boards, and message boards and then just rewriting him.

I do not know how many times I have answered this. The vast majority of theories and suspects on this site are not my own. I got them from other people, as noted above. I never claimed that I thought them up by myself. This site is a clearinghouse for all information about the case, all suspects and POI’s, from anyone and anywhere.

You got a problem with that? Tough shit.

I have no idea if any of his theories are correct. However, if they’re not, then he’s dragging a bunch of people through the mud.

Tough shit. That’s just too bad, now isn’t it?

We are not naming anyone by name. We are using initials. Also I am not revealing my photographic evidence (yes, I have it) against these suspects. That is available only by emailing me. In addition, my full descriptions of the cases against these 3-4 men are also obtainable from me only by email. I will not put this photo evidence on the site, nor will I spell out the exact cases against these men. It’s not proper to do that in a public forum.

With the precautions we have put in place, we think we are balancing people’s right to privacy against our legal attempts to solve this case.

And if you all don’t like it, well, that’s just too bad.

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