June 9, 2018 Update: Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017, Liberty German and Abigail Williams

Updated June 15, 2018.

Note: I have been accused of “plagiarizing” or “stealing” all of this information by members of the most execrable subreddit on Reddit since r/deadchildren. The absurdity of repeating rumors or speculations of others as “plagiarizing” (!) or “stealing,” is bizarre.

Plagiarization is the word for word copying of something from somewhere else. Of course I don’t do that.

“Stealing” is laughable. Did these people copyright or patent these speculations? Perhaps they should sue me for violating their copyrights or patents. Authors, especially investigative reporters, receive their information from many places. That said, I have never read or listened to any of the sources I supposedly stole from here. In fact, I had never even heard of them.

 

freska eksa writes: Uh….. there was a member of this very forum who posted this “conversation with a friend in LE” or something of that nature. That post would have happened well before the Lindsey blog post. He stole that from this subreddit.

Perhaps this is from the same source, but I have not even read that horrible Reddit in three months, and I never read anything like that there. Our source here was a woman, a forum member who reported this to us. I am not sure where they got the information.

ProtectiveIonCannon wrote everything below:

ProtectiveIonCannon writes: He absolutely still visits this sub. Funny enough that was also a thread where Anna Williams (or someone claiming to be) commented in

https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/8mq8f4/investigation_fail/

Basically just ripped this post and took some points of what we speculate could be the issue like contaminated DNA, chain of custody, etc.

I never read that post which is from 16 days ago, and I still have not read it. As I said, I quit reading that Reddit three months ago. I have no idea what is in there. Our source was from a private IM conversation with one of our best sources on Facebook, a person who lives in Delphi. How can I have ripped that post if I never read it? Now granted, we may be repeating the same rumors from different sources.

My article does not mention contaminated DNA.

I have never read anything on their diabolical little Reddit where they speculated about chain of custody. As I said, our source who suggested a chain of custody issue was a man, a forum member who reported this to us in our forum.

ProtectiveIonCannon writes: It’s also pretty funny how GH decided to do a video on a cold case from 2012 and comparing similarities of it to Delphi within a week of this post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiMurders/comments/8mu4mu/the_2012_evansdale_murders_of_10_year_old_lyric/

I am very familiar with this case, and I have written about it many times on this site. In fact, I tipped LE about a suspect in this case, and an ISP detective asked me to write up a report for them. I wrote up a 15 page report on my suspect and gave it to Indiana State Police.

I have never seen Gray Hughes’ video from a week ago. I had no idea it existed. I mostly refuse to watch to watch his videos because he’s an awful human being like the maggots on that Reddit sub, and I despise him. 

ProtectiveIonCannon writes: …if he mentions the super unknown similarities like them being within a few miles of a meat processing plant in his follow up video I’m calling shenanigans.

Thing is, I have already written about the Evansdale case and the Delphi case and the similarities. In fact, that was the subject of the paper I prepared for ISP in Spring 201 7. One of the similarities I wrote about was the closeness of hog plants to each crime. I wrote that piece about a year ago on this site.

ProtectiveIonCannon writes: I think when this is solved we’ll find some rumors to be true. I think Gray Hughes, Greeno & Stroup, and RL all have secret motives for everything they report in this case.

Hilarious. I guess my secret motive must be to ruin my life because that’s all that happened to me since I started writing about this. There is no secret motive. I started writing about the crime early on, got obsessed with it like I do about some things, and soon my articles became the top links on Google search about the case, so I decided to capitalize on that publicity of course. The site is not monetized, so traffic here is irrelevant. Yes, writing about this case brought in money from donations and forum memberships, and that has also been a motive. I don’t write for free. This is how I make part of my income. That said, this case does not bring in much money any more. Last year it brought in a lot more.

I had a group IM on Facebook with just me and 10-15 women, set up by a female friend of mine. I got my information from there, particularly from one woman who lives in Delphi and is a superb source. More information came from a private IM on Facebook with another woman who was in that group. It was there that I was told the Delmar Apartments story, and the three person murder team and drug motive theories. This woman also resides in Delphi and has their ear to the ground in a superb way. In addition, two of the rumors below came from members of my forum, one from a woman and another from a man. 

First Delphi Murders post in a long time (almost six months), but it’s a good one. I hardly post these anymore because half the world beats the Hell out of me every time I write one of these posts. After a while, you don’t want to write anymore.

Also, our sources are getting better. Now we are getting information from LE, people very close to the families, the friends and associates of a major suspect, in addition to people who have an ear very close to the best rumors floating around the depths of the Delphi Underworld. We are getting a lot better about sorting out the crap rumors from the good rumors. Do you have any idea how many rumors we don’t print? You have no idea. We kill so much stuff because we don’t think it’s high enough quality or sourced well enough. We toss far more material than we run here.

The Latest from Law Enforcement Sources

Although our group does have LE sources from time to time, mostly we don’t get much if any information out of them. We received a number of tips sourced somehow or other from LE early in the investigation, however, I must warn you that even some of those LE-sourced tips went bad on us. I even had one in a screenshot of a man talking to a LE friend of his discussing the crime scene. Sound pretty good, right? Forget it. Bad tip. You really have to take everything at face value in this case. We have had so many rumors go bad on us

If you would like though, here is our latest information from an LE source. We asked him about the case, and he said he had many friends who were working on it but, he couldn’t tell us much obviously. However, he did say a couple of things.

Q: Do you think the case will ever be solved?

A: They think they already know who killed those girls, but the investigation got screwed up so badly in the early days after the murders that there is a worry that they may never be able to get a conviction in the case.

Ok, so there was some sort of mangling / trashing / mishandling of evidence. I am thinking a chain of custody issue.

Q: Can you tell me how the girls were killed?

A: You really don’t want to know.

Although I would hate to be vindicated for something like that, I am afraid that some of the more gruesome rumors we repeated on here and were so roundly pummeled over may well be. I shudder to think. Source: A member of our forum.

About My Favorite Suspect

I would like to make one official statement about this man, who I still will not name.

I am 100% convinced that this man played some sort of a role in these murders. However, I am not sure if he was at the bridge that day much less if he killed those girls. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. At one time I definitely thought he was at the bridge that day, but now I am not so sure anymore. And on top of that he may be 100% innocent.

What I mean when I said he played a role in the killings is that he was either one or more of the following:

  1. Present at the bridge that day and killed those girls.
  2. Present at the bridge that day and somehow assisted in the murder of those girls.
  3. Participated in the planning of the crime beforehand.
  4. Had knowledge of the planning and planned execution of the crime beforehand but was not involved himself. However, he did not go to LE with this information. I will point out that this is 100% legal. Even if you hear a crime is about to be committed, you don’t have to contact the police or warn the public.
  5. Completely innocent of involvement in these murders, but heard about them in detail only a few days after the crime. This is also  100% legal. If you hear the details of a crime after it was committed, you are not obligated to contact LE or the public with this information.

The Mystery of the Delmar Apartment Complex

The reason I state 1-5 points above is that we have just received information that my suspect was present in an apartment complex in Delphi called the Delmar Apartments only three days after the crime. He was in an apartment with two other men, both also members of the Delphi Underworld. The phrase Delphi Underworld was used by my source in talking about these men, so I am repeating her use of the phrase. They were drinking and talking loudly about this crime, how it was done, what went wrong, what could have been done differently, etc. They seemed to have intimate details of the crime that had not been released at the time and still have not been released.

The only way they could have know this is if they were in on the planning or commission of the murders or if someone told them the details of the crime soon after it was committed.

A woman next door heard them and called the police. Officers came to the complex. We don’t know what happened, but I assume there is a police report on this, and someone might want to go find it. In addition, this woman has some sort of a transcription of what those men were talking about next door to her that night. How she got any sort of transcription of that conversation, I have no idea. However, she’s gone silent, and she won’t give up the transcription either. She’s terrified like everyone else.

These apartments were raided shortly afterwards by LE.

A man who was thought to be The Bridge Man himself was seen two times in the laundry room of the complex. Both times residents called police, but by the time they arrived, he was gone.

Look back in the papers to see that LE did indeed raid those apartments around in July, and a number of arrests were made. Little is known about the raid, but at the time people thought it was connected to the murders. The complex was raided again in December 2017 and another several men were taken away. That apartment complex is a known hot spot for the local drug culture and all sorts of misdeeds. Source: A Delphi resident who is closely attuned to local rumors and very knowledgeable about the community, especially its underground element.

The Worst Rumor of Them All, That Not Only Won’t Die But Keeps Getting Stronger, or Does It?

Truthfully, I have always hated that damned rumor about one of the girls, most recently Libby, being pregnant. I really don’t care if one of those girls was pregnant or not. I’m not a Victorian, prude, or Puritan like my critics.

But we got so beaten up over that rumor that I was more than happy to bury it recently based on some evidence we received on the condition of the bodies post-mortem. Yes, we have contacts who saw the bodies post-mortem after they were removed from the scene.

So it is with great despair that I must tell that this horrible rumor is rearing its awful head again. I would love to have not even printed this, but the problem is that the source of this rumor keeps creeping closer and closer to the families. At this point, we are about one ear away from one of the families.

One of the members of these girls’ families, and I will not say who (though you know them well), is apparently stating that Libby German was indeed in the very early phase of pregnancy. What what we have heard is that Anna Williams knew about this because Abby told her. The Germans, in particular Becky German, had no idea of Libby’s condition. However, Becky German discovered that Libby was pregnant in going through her things after her death. People say that Becky is denying Libby’s pregnancy because she is in denial about it.

You might wonder why nothing official has never come out, but these things often do not come out until later, perhaps at trial.

On the other hand, another source, a member of our forum, states that she is closer to the families than one ear away (that is, he is in direct contact with the families, specifically the Germans), and he says he can confirm that neither girl was pregnant.

Another source on our forum said he spoke to Carrie, Libby’s mother. Carrie states that Libby was absolutely not pregnant.

We are hearing three different well-sourced rumors stating the opposite things here. However, two of the negative rumors are sourced directly to family members, and the one positive rumor is still an ear away from a family member. None of this makes much sense, but most things about this case don’t make much sense. The longer you study this case, the less sense things seem to make. I will continue my efforts to clear up this matter further if that is even possible.

In the meantime, this rumor will now be downgraded to Unconfirmed, Possibly Untrue status. Whew! I am so happy for that!

More Awful Rumors about the Murders Themselves, Better Sourced Now

Speaking of sensationalism! You want some new dirt? Here goes:

  • The girls were gagged, apparently with duct tape, at some point. That may be why no one heard them. Source: A relative of a family member.
  • At least Libby had some sort of solution poured over her body to kill DNA. Bleach? I don’t know what it is. It may have been poured on Abby too. Source: Someone close to a very well known family member.
  • Some sort of object was jammed into poor Libby’s vagina somehow or other, either before or after death. I don’t know what this is, but this could be bringing us back around to the horrible stakes and sticks in girls’ bodies rumors that I got so pummeled for. I don’t know if it was a stake or a stick. All I know is it was some object. The source referenced the DNA-killing solution and “whatever object that was that he stuck up her.”  Source: Someone close to a very well known family member.

A New Theory of the Murders: Three Killers – An Older Man, a Younger Man, and a Young Woman

There is a new theory going around Delphi that says there were three killers who killed the girls:

  • A man in his 50’s, the Bridge Man. A major local criminal. He controlled meth manufacture at the bridge, and he controlled a lot of the meth being sold around Delphi. At the time of the murders, this man had small children, a niece and nephew, living with him. They were taken away from him at one point and sent to grandparents. This man was the children’s uncle. Both of the children told their grandparents that their uncle killed those girls. When the girl saw the photo of the Bridge Man, she said, “Look! That man is wearing Uncle X’s jacket!” Although this man is a major meth dealer in the area, he never seems to go to jail. He seems to have a cooperative relationship with LE and may well be a confidential informant. He has given up many of his associates to LE, and it is thought that he stays out of jail, and they let him deal as long as he keeps giving people up.
  • A woman in her 20’s, this man’s daughter. Appears to be heavily into the local drug/meth scene from the looks of her. She has a diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder.
  • A man in his 30’s, a very well-known local. This man confessed to the murders to a male friend a few days after the crime. He also had a huge scratch across his neck the day after the crime. His confession was reported to LE. Last I heard they wanted his DNA, but he was refusing to give it. This man was the boyfriend of the woman above. This man’s aunt openly states that he killed those girls. I know this man well and I would diagnose him as a psychopath. He also has prominent narcissistic tendencies.

As the story goes, Bridge Man did indeed round up the girls and walk them across the creek. On the other side were the younger couple.  The young man killed both of the girls. The young woman then inflicted some gratuitous overkill-type injuries on Libby.

These rumors are coming directly from the Delphi Underground. The sources are friends and associates of the older man above. They openly state that he killed those girls and have provided the story above about how it happened. Now we have had all sorts of rumors floating around about this crime for over a year now, but this is the first time that we have people actually coming forward and openly pointing the finger at people and accusing them of committing this crime. Keep in mind that this man’s very own friends and associates are accusing him of committing this crime! That’s pretty powerful evidence.

Source: A Delphi resident who is closely attuned to local rumors and very knowledgeable about the community, especially its underground element.

An Old Motive Rises from the Past: The Drug Motive, Specifically Methamphetamine

Although these rumors are going about town, everyone is absolutely terrified because some of the people involved seem to be underworld types who may be able to have people killed. Also the crime motive seems to be drugs, and a local man was supposedly killed recently for owing money to a meth dealer. The man is named Daniel Lipps. He was found dead in Schafer Lake in Monticello, Indiana a couple of weeks after police appeared at a house he was in due to a report that he and another man had OD’d. He ran away from police at that time, and went missing for two weeks.

His father made a post on social media telling whoever was holding Daniel that he would pay the drug debt if they would give him evidence that Daniel was still alive. However, Daniel’s death was ruled an accidental drowning. I spoke to a sheriff of the county in which Daniel’s body was found, and he stated that the case was still considered an accidental death and was not being reopened as a homicide.

Nevertheless, the locals still think Lipps was killed, and think if they speak up against this group, they will be killed, so no one wants to talk, especially on record. They also do not want to talk to police. The reason given is that many people in Delphi think that the local police are corrupt and there is a fear that the local LE are somehow involved in the local drug trade, possibly by protecting some of the big dealers.

The motive? It’s one of the most hated rumors of all, especially by me. I have been attacking this motive as incorrect forever now. And now here it is, coming back to haunt us again like those other awful rumors.

The motive is drugs, specifically methamphetamine. So we are back to the meth rumors again that were so common early on.

Some Very Strange Goings-on in Delphi Just Before the Murders

Shortly before the murders, some strange things happened.

  • Some tainted meth was being circulated. A number of people had gotten sick or crazed by this bad batch of drugs. Some people are blaming Derrick German, father of Libby, for selling this bad batch. A local man says Derrick’s bad batch caused the man’s girlfriend to miscarry, and he blames Derrick for the death of the baby. This man later falsely confessed to the murders in the midst of a meth psychosis. This false confession was breathlessly covered by Michael Greeno.
  • Derrick German owed the older man above (possible Bridge Man) a lot of money for meth, and he was unable to pay.
  • A large amount of drugs, possibly meth, suddenly went missing.

The motivation for the crime then, according to this theory, is retribution or paybacks to Derrick German for any of various things: a bad drug batch harming people who took it, the large amount of drugs gone missing, or owing money for drugs he could not pay back.

Source: A Delphi resident who is closely attuned to local rumors and very knowledgeable about the community, especially its underground element.

A Family Member Knows Who the Killer Is?

Oh and one more thing. This just in.

A new rumor that a family member has known who the killer is for about a month now. As far as what they have done with this information, I have no idea. Source: Members of our forum.

However, another source in direct with Becky Patty insists that this rumor is not correct. Source: A friend on Facebook who knows a lot about this crime and is in touch with the families.

This rumor will remain Unconfirmed for now.

Until next time!

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8 responses to “June 9, 2018 Update: Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017, Liberty German and Abigail Williams

  1. Tins

    Thank you i enjoy your writtings ….i pray daily fpr a break in thos case

  2. Annonymously

    Thank You for a thorough, clear and interesting post.

    Have your sources at all speculated on all of the fundraisers and where the money went (such as to pay the drug debt) ?

    One quick question please? The boyfriend of the daughter – has he done “Delphi Murders” videos on Youtube? Is he who I’m thinking he is?

    Thank You!

    • Yes, they are saying that all of the fundraising money, other than for the ballpark, is going right into the pockets of the Becky, Mike and Cody Patty. They’re just putting it in their pockets. The Pattys have an income of ~300K/yr.? and a net worth of $3 million. There’s no reason to give any of these people money and all you are doing with your donations is enriching some rich people.

      As far as the second question, you are on the forum, right? Come onto the forum and ask me that or email me. I can’t talk about it here.

  3. Annonymously

    Thank You, Robert. Yes, I am. I’ll be right there.

  4. amanda wilson

    Hey is there a new forum? We have been moving and I am just now getting the chance to catch up. 

  5. BUTTERFLY_RISES

    I developed a few major points similar to yours.

    First time reading here

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