Boot Camp Boyhood Redux

Shi: Did I miss out on an important rite of passage because I never really got bullied in childhood, school, college or employment?

Probably early on as a child I learned that you should never let people walk over you. As a schoolboy, I would get into plenty of brawls in the playground or after school. Ugly ones which often led to a bloody nose. Medically, I was considered unfit. That didn’t stop me from enjoying a decent fight. I loved fights…

I never failed standing up to bullies and even older boys. They would completely whoop my ass but I still enjoyed the adrenaline rush. Sometimes it would hurt so much that I couldn’t walk straight for a few days. We’re talking about mid-90s in India. I prided myself for being a little warrior who would fight till the death when needed, even when the odds are against him. The onlookers had to always split the fights out of fear for my life. But back down. Never!

I’d say I just got lucky. Had I been raised in a really violent environment, say around African-American kids, it could have led to an early obituary.

Only in 7th grade I learned that it’s not OK to engage in physical confrontations to settle disagreements. This made perfect sense, as by then I was old enough to understand that a juvenile prison isn’t a pretty place.

Even though I magically became nonviolent (much to the relief of my parents), that streak of aggression never disappeared. Every time somebody pushed me around, I would play dirty to defend myself. Screaming and yelling never got out of my system.

1- High school/college — Almost no hazing. I never respected any seniors who were being “playful”. It was supposed to be a rite of passage where you address your seniors as “sir” and be obsequious. I never understood it. They left me alone.

I did have a hard time in engineering college when I was sharing an apartment with a bunch of aggro co-students. All of them were violent sociopathic types. We fought sometimes but were mostly friends. Out of all the seven roommates, I endured physical violence with only two. Can’t call that hazing, as we were in the same class.

2- Workplace — Worked under many a sadistic boss. I do have a tendency to only care about the top bosses, and ignore immediate supervisors. That probably saved me the day-to-day grief. No fear = No bullying — Yes, I’ve been kicked out of a few jobs. But mostly I was the one who went ahead with the resignation.

Just to add in a summary. I’m not a violent person, but I do have a violent streak that might intimidate a few people. Especially women. I’ve hit my girlfriends a few times in the past, but I regret it now. I don’t hit women anymore. Really that phase is over.

I’m 35. Somewhere there is this uncontrollable rage left within me but by now, I have learned how to bottle it up.

Moral of the story: Kids should get into fights. When they grow up, they will not fear anyone.

I love this comment. Thanks so much. The commenters on here are all saying they never bullied anyone as children, bullying is terrible, bla bla. Come on! Teasing, taunting, tormenting, challenging, instigating and fighting are normal behavior in young boys. It’s just what they do.

Did you ever bully, taunt, torment, tease, or instigate a fight with any other boys? Damn, we sure did. There were three boys in our family and we fought all the time! It was great!

And we had rock clod wars and berry wars even with our best friends and cousins. These would sometimes end in wild fights, each side would be screaming, “We’re going to kill you!” I remember one time my cousins and my brothers and I got into a berry war up at their house. It was right before we were going home on the plane. All I remember was my Mom gathering us up for the trip to the airport as our we and our cousins were yelling that we were going to kill each other. My Mom was a bit beside herself.

I asked my Mom about bullying, taunting, teasing, instigating and fighting among boys the other day. She shrugged her shoulders and said you can’t stop it, and boys will always be this way. Just try to break up the bad fights, make sure they don’t seriously hurt or kill each other and try to protect the weaker ones. Her attitude was that it was not a good thing but that there was no way to stop it and it was going to go on forever, as it’s natural and normal behavior among boys to fight.

Come to think of it, my friends and I never engaged in much bullying. It was more taunting and teasing in order to instigate or try to provoke a fight. We would run up to the victim and call him names in an effort to provoke a response out of him. If he responded, we would either beat him up, fight him,  or run away.

There is a cruel sort of bullying where a group of boys gang up on another boy or girl and commit acts of aggression or violence against them. Throwing them up against the lockers, knocking their books out of their hands, stealing their stuff, spitting on them, punching or kicking them. That’s just violence. I can’t remember doing that too much as a boy. There were boys who engaged in this sort of physically violent bullying even up to high school, but they were sociopathic, violent, often criminal types who also committed crimes like burglary, drug dealing, vandalism, etc.

I did support the bullying or better yet, taunting and teasing of severe outliers because their behavior is so bizarre and off that it’s just not acceptable. They need to get the message and learn! Severely effeminate boys, crybabies, profoundly bizarre and nerdy boys, and dangerous, disturbed and psycho boys will never be accepted by other boys because their behavior is so strange and aberrant. My experience has been that a lot of those boys get bullied for their aberrant behavior, and at some point, they knock it off and act normal.

I realize that kids do gang up on kids who are relatively normal. I don’t support bullying any normal kid for being fat, skinny, redheaded, wearing glasses, or whatever. There’s nothing wrong with a kid like that, so there’s no object lesson to be gained in bullying him. It’s just cruelty.

Furthermore, I am aware that the severe, physical and sociopathic type of bullying often damages people far into adulthood. I can’t support such a thing.

This is what I meant when I said that boyhood was boot camp for manhood. The purpose of boyhood is to make a man out of a boy. It tends to be a rather cruel, brutal, and often violent project with a lot of psychological and even physical aggression.

If you make it through boot camp,  you come out a hardened Marine. If you bomb out of boot camp, you don’t come out a Marine.

In the same way, if you make it through boyhood, you come out a hardened and hopefully masculine man. That’s the purpose of boyhood – to create not just men but hardened, masculine, and tough men who can handle rough circumstances without running away or bursting into tears. There are a lot of boys who don’t seem to make it through Boot Camp Boyhood well. They don’t emerge toughened; instead, they come out damaged. This is sad, but this is how life is. Life is a series of trial by fire episodes. They’re often Hellish, but you are supposed to make it through more or less intact. At the end of each of these tests, you are supposed to be a bit stronger and tougher than before.

I do agree with protecting weak, relatively normal boys and girls from bullying.  There’s nothing wrong with them anyway, so there’s no lesson to learn from the bullying. It’s just cruelty, and it can cause a lot of damage, not only in youth but later on, far off into adulthood. I know adults who are 35 years old and are still suffering the effects of childhood bullying. The most common effect that I have seen from childhood bullying is chronic low self-esteem in adulthood. These are often very nice people, but I would be lying if I said it was an easy problem to fix. I’ve had a harder time fixing chronic low self-esteem than just about anything else. It’s like it got pounded in their brains with concrete.

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62 responses to “Boot Camp Boyhood Redux

  1. SHI

    Teasing, taunting, tormenting, challenging, instigating and fighting are normal behavior in y young boys. It’s just what they do.I love this comment.

    Probably the human race has advanced more than we could bargain for. I see a lot of helicopter parents who watch their kids every move. They would today raise hell if the kids suffer so much as a minor bruise.

    Schools have become stricter in disciplining unruly and violent kids. They are now sent to a government program for delinquents and become messed for life.

    The opportunity to “sort it out as they age” is no longer there.

    Of course, those kids studying in military schools still have an advantage. They won’t be pussified.

  2. Alligator Pro!

    I would like to tell you a fictional story about a friend, let’s call him Joe. He is a 38 year old man who was bullied and otherwise wronged during adolescence and various times in adulthood.

    He has created a “revenge list,” containing names of people who have wronged him. He writes “poison pen” letters.

    He goes to a big box store like Walmart, buys bland stationary, and envelopes, only touches them with gloves and keeps his DNA off these items. He buys generic stamps, again, not touching them with his hands or getting hair or spit on them. He types them at libraries and drops them off in public mailboxes outside the city in which he lives. He knows that unless a threat is made (of violence, for example), police won’t dedicate resources to tackle letters.

    Basically, he write fake letters which seem to rip the very underpinnings of his former bully’s life. For example, he found out through Faceberg that his principal bully was engaged, the bastard. On Faceberg he found out the name of his fiance, and because she had a unique last name, he could easily find out her relatives’ addresses through the site whitepages. Having her and many of her relatives’ addresses, Joe wrote a fake letter, without a return address, in which he posed as a female in an affair with the bully, and had been verbally physically abused by him, even to the point of going to the hospital. This letter, written by the abused “lover,” was sent as a warning to the finance about what could happen to her if she stayed with this man. Joe sent this letter to the fiance and 5 of her relatives. A few months later, Joe discovered that his former bully, was no longer engaged! Sign, what a shame.

    Joe also knew from linkedin that his former bully coached boys basketball as an assistant coach. Wouldn’t it be a shame if the head coach, and some of the parents received an anonymous letter from “a player afraid of retaliation” who claimed that he was called “cut,” and eyed in a manner in which he was made uncomfortable, and then later on was called a bitch? If a lie, would there not be a cloud over the bully’s head? If he doesn’t get fired, maybe he will not get promoted.

    Social ostracism has a price. Losing a job can be not only traumatic, but if caused by someone, it’s like taking away $10,000 (or more or less) depending on the job the guy gets fired from. How many victims would feel happy taking away $10,000 or so from a bully? It can take months to find a job in one’s sector again, assuming one is locked out of their profession due to bad conduct.

    Another story from Joe: he had a co-worker at a restaurant play dirty to get a promotion. He lied about Joe to his boss, slandering him. Well, 4 months later, a couple managers got a letter from an anonymous customer saying that she was called a stupid bitch. Turns out, the manager did not want to take chances and poof he lost his job.

    • SHI

      Basically, he write fake letters which seem to rip the very underpinnings of his former bully’s life. For example, he found out through Faceberg that his principal bully was engaged, the bastard. On Faceberg he found out the name of his fiance, and because she had a unique last name, he could easily find out her relatives’ addresses through the site whitepages. Having her and many of her relatives’ addresses, Joe wrote a fake letter, without a return address, in which he posed as a female in an affair with the bully, and had been verbally physically abused by him, even to the point of going to the hospital. This letter, written by the abused “lover,” was sent as a warning to the finance about what could happen to her if she stayed with this man. Joe sent this letter to the fiance and 5 of her relatives. A few months later, Joe discovered that his former bully, was no longer engaged! Sign, what a shame.

      That’s ORIGINAL.

      It’s also a testimony to the real dangers of online world. If someone really wanted to “get back” at you, all they require is your employment history from LinkedIn, and a few Facebook pics. Email addresses and phone numbers aren’t hard to find either.

      All you need to do is create FAKE profiles everywhere and damage that person’s online reputation. Many countries ban pornography, Bitcoins, Online gambling. Your prospective employer can look up those details online and you’re finished!

      Hell, it’s easier to make death and rape threats using that fake online profile.

      If I were a real psychopath, I would have explored these options. Hah hah. But no.

      • Alligator Pro!

        It is easier to trace someone electronically than via snail mail.

        Never should one make rape or death threats. Then police do get involved.

        If it is “just” an accusation of an affair, or claims that one was verbally accused, they likely won’t waste their resources.

      • Jason Y

        I would have gone all out with social media if it had existed in the 80s/90s. But it would have caused it (the situation) to explode 1000 time worse.

  3. Alligator Pro!

    Robert, what do you think about Joe?

    (BTW, sorry about the immature post I made earlier today. I was in a weird mood and did not mean it).

  4. Alligator Pro!

    “Joe” also never uses the same stationary 2x. He does what he does because it’s hard for him to get caught. Revenge, he says, is by definition earned.

  5. Jason Y

    Never ran into physical fights. Always started them! I had to because they wouldn’t stop teasing, throwing things etc..

    Anyway, I don’t think most bullying is physical. It’s not like on Karate Kid with punks driving your bicycle off a cliff, LOL.

    • Jason Y

      I mean, most bullying isn’t physical until the victim has had enough!

    • Jason Y

      Funny white trash will call you a nigger for fighting, but it’s their teasing which forces you to instigate it.

    • Ok, taunting, teasing, provoking, trying to instigate a reaction. Well we spent most of our childhoods doing just that. My brothers and I did it nonstop to each other and for a while, we had some girl cousins living with us and they were all doing it too. On the other hand, my friends and brothers and I only did it to a few “designated victim” outliers that I am aware of.

      Why do you think bullying is so abnormal. I mean, all kids seem to do it. Sure, it was not pleasant what you went through and I am sorry you had to go through that, but all kids will bully (according to your definition) other kids. It’s normal behavior for kids, especially boys, to bully, taunt, tease, provoke, instigate and fight each other.

      Why do you keep calling the boys who do this evil and psychopaths? MOST boys do this stuff. According to you, MOST boys are evil psychopaths. You really believe this?

      I understand your anti-bullying position, but realistically, how are you ever going to get rid of it. Bullying is normal behavior for boys. It’s going to go on forever. How can you stop something as normal as that?

      What were they bullying you about? You seem like a pretty normal guy.

      • Jason Y

        I wasn’t strong at that age. See, that’s just the way it is here. It’s sort of like with a nuclear deterrent. You have to seem like you could beat them up.

        If they see you out playing sports, working out etc. then they bugger off, even if you’re a Dennis Rodman outlier.

        • Alligator Pro!

          Good point. Playing a sport like basketball or football can stop bullying because you are part of a team with big kids. On the other hand, if you can play those ports you are probably bigger than average, anyways.

          Basically, the weaker you look, or the most out of place, the MORE you have to be willing to fight, because otherwise you become a target.

        • SHI

          If they see you out playing sports, working out etc. then they bugger off, even if you’re a Dennis Rodman outlier.

          I’m curious why you consider Dennis Rodman an outlier. His present height is 2.01 meters (6 feet 6 inches). To grow that height, you have to be fairly tall even as a kid.

          Bullies usually go for smaller boys or at least someone who’s their own size. They’ll pick on taller kids only if they’re very skinny.

        • Did you ever taunt, tease, provoke, instigate or bully other kids when you were a boy, Shi? That’s what this discussion is about. I sure did, but it was mostly just a small group like brothers and cousins, and then we bullied some Designated Victims who more or less deserved it by being such fucktards. We were never the bad, mean, evil bully boys who bullied innocent people with violence or threats of violence. We just teased people to try to get a reaction. The really mean bully boys were more or less criminals.

        • Jason Y

          I’ve seen a few runts who played sports and nobody bugged them. It’s because they play sports. Well, I mean, the one I knew was a preppie conformist too, but still, the main reason he’s left alone is cause he’s networked with athletes.

          I mean, honestly, often even the bullies, themselves are midgets LOL. It’s because of “The Little Man Syndrome”

        • Jason Y

          You could say a runt etc.. could be funny, but nobody laughs at a pussy. People on the outside of the social wall are ignored totally except for scorning. So that’s why I despise community colleges as I said to Beauregard. A bunch of elitist punks there who snivel at anyone who isn’t one of them – and especially if they make comic remarks or just anything outgoing.

        • SHI

          I’ve seen a few runts who played sports and nobody bugged them. It’s because they play sports.

          Speaking of “runts”, here’s an inspiring story for all the midgets and mediocres.

          Stay tuned until 10:10 for that gem “…a traitor to that high and imperial order of pompous pachyderms…”

        • Jason Y

          Wasn’t Dumbo the big politically correct film of its day. And they said people had no heart then ???

      • Jason Y

        The designated victims being outliers isn’t the problem. It’s that it’s assumed by the other boys – that they can’t fight The victims are not playing sports, working out etc.. See, it’s all about a deterrent- kind of like what you see with North Korea.

    • Alligator Pro!

      Strangely, and something I came to find out as a kid who was bullied (sometimes), that not only is physical confrontation the best route to end it, and in the end it caused less animosity between myself and the bully, while at the same time more or less stopping the bulling.

      For example, if a bully calls me a bitch. I would walk slowly towards him and say, shut up you fucking bitch. I would stop maybe 2 feet in front of him. Upping the ante basically. It never ended in a fight, fortunately, as I am only 140 lbs and probably would have lost. The alternative, of not showing that I was willing to fight, would likely lead to increasing verbal confrontation until one of us would want to fight anyways. Better just to show you will fight at the beginning.

      Of course if you are an adult you should do things differently.

      If you are with a girlfriend or wife or date, and if some guy insults you, you better get in their face and make it clear that you will fight or she will lose respect for you and dump you!

  6. Jason Y

    I asked my Mom about bullying, taunting, teasing, instigating and fighting among boys the other day.

    Fighting, though, doesn’t win respect on a middle school playground. You just get called names: nigger, monkey, faggot, pussy. Plus, once you get in one, more want to jump in.

    As I said before in other comments, the only thing that wins respect at that age is a very masculine outlook – aside from fighting. If they see you out working out, playing sports, they respect you – even if your an outlier (weird hair or whatever)

  7. Jason Y

    Some boys will still bully boys into sports and working out and even ones who don’t suck at it I don’t know what to do about that except avoid such boys (That’s the criminal psychopath types Robert speaks of.).

    Generally speaking even the biggest weird-ass, doesn’t get fucked with if he’s seen working out and/or into sports.

  8. Jason Y

    Sorry to ramble on, but the problem with me was (in middle school) I was fighting, but I wasn’t seen as a working out/sports type. In fact, if I was a working out/sports type, I wouldn’t have been fighting, to begin with anyway.

  9. I don’t know about this. My experience is that the biggest bullies did fit the stereotype of being losers, kids from broken homes, kids with bad fathers, kids who parents were dicks. A lot of the time, they did it to get accepted into that social circle.

    As a parent now, I’ve seen examples where parents cajole their young cretins to be overly assertive, to anyone. The parents are scum, and raising scum children.

    I will have no hesitation teaching my children to knock the crap out of any kids who tries to bully them, and frankly, if their parents see no issue (and often they don’t), they should have the bejesus knocked out of them too.

    I’m just not buying into this idea that men can be made from bullies, when those bullies are often dumb, simpletons themselves. What do they know about manhood? What does a child, or an adolescent know? They don’t.

    Maybe this is a middle class cultural Anglo trait. I can’t imagine a kid in Korea or China being bullied because they were good at math, but I CAN easily imagine it in lower socioeconomics area.

    • You never bullied anyone as a kid? LOL.

    • It’s not that men are made from bullies but that men are made from bullying. The bullying is boot camp. Boot Camp Boyhood. The place were hard, brittle, iron boys are smelted into the cold, hard stainless steel of men. If you make it through the fire, you come out a man. If you don’t make it through – I’m not sure. You might come out damaged.

      Get it?

      • SHI

        Just because you and me turned out OK from these boot camps doesn’t justify their existence. The main concern is that kids can get killed over nothing really.

        It’s really a grey area.

        I don’t know man.

        I may be a jerk but I wouldn’t want to deprive a father/mother of his only child.

        That is why I don’t want to have kids of my own. This world is a very unsafe place.

        • Jason Y

          Where I was at there was no violence – unless the victim started it – and that was likely a few times (but not often). So most of the abuse was psychological torment only.

      • Beauregard

        I think that you’re using too broad a definition of bullying….
        “teasing” doesn’t really count.

        • Well mostly what we did was teasing and taunting to try to get a rise out of someone. Then they would attack and we would either run away or fight them.

          I think you are referring to that very mean bullying, a group of kids spitting on another kid, tripping someone, ripping off someone’s backpack, throwing someone into the lockers, knocking someone’s books out of their hand, beating someone up. I’ve experienced a bit of that sort of thing, and boy is it cruel. I will say it toughens you up though. And it encourages you to get your shit together because the more popular and normal you act the less even the mean bullies hassle you.

          It is vicious though. I can’t see any real benefit to that sort of cruelty.

          The stuff that toughens you up that I referred to as Boot Camp Boyhood is the rough and tumble and rather violent and aggressive world of young boys. And they are indeed learning how to be men. At least we were.

        • Beauregard

          “The right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins”.

          While I agree with the point you’re making, I just don’t think we should be cavalier about violence, especially violence enforcing conformity.
          See, that could easily come around to bite you, or me, or anyone.

          Rough-housing or teasing is not inherently bad though, I agree.

        • Jason Y

          Beau,

          Teasing and taunting is bullying – especially when not done by some in-group (close friends) or your siblings. It’s massively disrespectful and humiliating – and that’s true no matter what “pussy” or politically correct attacks someone calls the victim.

    • Jason Y

      I’m just not buying into this idea that men can be made from bullies, when those bullies are often dumb, simpletons themselves. What do they know about manhood? What does a child, or an adolescent know? They don’t.

      Possibly the kids are acting according to animal instinct. Anyway, though, it is true that sheltering kids could produce brittle people (like say, in homeschooling)

      As a parent now, I’ve seen examples where parents cajole their young cretins to be overly assertive, to anyone. The parents are scum, and raising scum children.

      Those kids have parents that are punks/idiots. Really someone should just punch out the parent, tbh.

  10. SHI

    Did you ever taunt, tease, provoke, instigate or bully other kids when you were a boy, Shi? That’s what this discussion is about. I sure did, but it was mostly just a small group like brothers and cousins, and then we bullied some Designated Victims who more or less deserved it by being such fucktards. We were never the bad, mean, evil bully boys who bullied innocent people with violence or threats of violence. We just teased people to try to get a reaction. The really mean bully boys were more or less criminals.

    LOL I was a real rascal and a Master conspirator.

    Never really picked on weaker kids that much because I learned early on that being INSIDIOUS can make more people fear you. I was a cute little devil. My sole objective was to laugh at their misery behind their backs while pretending to be a “friend”.

    Now it’s mostly sweet memories.

    1- During 2nd grade, with another mischievous kid as my ally, I had plotted to poison a classmate with a concoction made of chalk powder, paint, nail polish remover and other disgusting substances. The idea was not originally mine but I quickly assumed the role of chief “technical expert” on what chemicals should go into the prank.

    We just wanted to have some fun at the expense of the sucker. But, that concoction was very poisonous and it could have led to hospitalization or other bad consequences.

    Thankfully, our conspiracy was discovered right before we could pull this off.

    My parents had to later bail me out of that aggravated situation. The parents of “target” were obviously outraged. They wanted to send me, a 2nd grader to prison. My parents had to apologize so many times to his parents.

    Of course, I was grounded at home for weeks.

    I never believed in intimidating weaker kids even in middle school. That just wasn’t my style.

    When I saw a sucker, my only instinct would be to humiliate him/her.

    It took me a LONG TIME to find my moral fiber.

  11. Jason Y

    Oddly enough, in high school and especially after my sophomore year, I was the most popular at school, the top dog. You should see the signatures in my high school annual. This might come as a shock to some, and also I was popular during my first go at university – and I wasn’t really that athletic. I simply used music and entertainment, comedy to come on top.

    • Jason Y

      But… what turned the tide might have been anti-depressants. It seems like when I was on them I had no inhibition. It’s like being drunk. But anyway, my freshman year, I gained some respect from being in karate and also I pulled some stunts (pranks) which made me seem cool.

      But yeah, the anti-depressant pushed my mood away from gothic shyness – in fact, into maybe being a jackass LOL I was always in trouble and my last year I was kicked out of school.

      • Beauregard

        No offense, dude but you seem like a deeply unhappy, paranoid person.

        You automatically assume ill intent of anyone who doesn’t share your worldview, constantly warn of various types of ‘apocalypse’ (not that you’re wrong), etc.

        • He’s right, Jason. I didn’t want to talk about it as I see no need to say anything like that as it’s your business.

          Well, let’s say that this blog is therapy for Jason. Right Jason?

          Jason’s not annoying. Jason’s issues are not as jarring and infuriating as you know who’s. That’s one guy I just cannot tolerate. His pathology is so extreme that it just bleeds through everything he writes.

          Life is difficult for some reason. It should be simple, but it’s just not.

        • Beauregard

          I honestly swore tr@sh was a Jew for a long time, he seems to have that Zany, overbearing type of personality.
          He also adores Jews, so there’s that.

          But he’s a sympathetic character. I mean, he’s had a tough life and is sort of just oversimplifying the causes of American demise, right?

        • Trash is 1/4 Jewish.

          I don’t necessarily disagree with his arguments about the demise of the US. He’s more right than wrong.

        • Jason Y

          OK, sorry I don’t want to share my business if it’s annoying. Anyway, I don’t necessarily hate WNs and other groups. Take Sam, for instance, he has valid reasons to hate blacks – though, I feel he could easily GTFO out of the area (Appalachia is only a two-hour drive away.

          So yeah, don’t hate him, but feel he’s on a bad path. Of course, considering how evil he could progress too, it’s possible even sympathetic people could eventually hate him.

          Anyway, I’ve also met people like Sam online. They live in/near big cities. Apparently, they were bullied by NAMS, but they deny it.

        • Jason Y

          People who are easier to hate?

          Some people like santo-culto I said were warped because I can see he has no “cool side to him”. I mean, Sam at least, has some humble working-class background. But Santo-culto and also Phil just seem like warped perverts (of a sort). I think they were raised badly (They needed some “knock it off” stuff.)

          Of course, I’m sure santo-culto gets his ass kicked by mulattoes in Brazil, and I suspect Phil (from the photo) is gay (feminine face) so he gets his ass stomped by NAMS. So what do they do? They resort to warped perversion? It’s like the Hannibal Lecture club.

        • Jason Y

          OK, with the guys near the big cities, I’d say I somewhat feel for them. But I somewhat think they’re warped perverts like santo-culto. Also, I don’t know, maybe I somewhat feel for Phil, santo-culto BUT, they’ve just warped out dudes with Phil possibly being a little more reasonable (like he wouldn’t post videos of monkeys carrying machine guns).

          So it’s a complex matter, and despite some compassion, I just feel it’s better people never become like them with their worldview.

        • Jason Y

          No offense, dude but you seem like a deeply unhappy, paranoid person.

          Maybe so but I have ethics and character. Many alt-right don’t with the outlook being more reasonable as you deal with Sam, working-class, types.

        • Jason Y

          Who are the two guys I saw on forums I am speaking of. The new ones?

          Fags 😆 Just like santo-culto is, just like Phil probably is.

          But warped out creeps of the WN movement aren’t all gay – but gays seem to be attracted to this stuff. Is it a longing for real men LOL

        • Jason Y

          I won’t reveal the new ones or the forum for security reasons. But their talk reminds me of what I see typically with these gay WNs.

        • Jason Y

          I honestly swore tr@sh was a Jew for a long time, he seems to have that Zany, overbearing type of personality.
          He also adores Jews, so there’s that.

          But he’s a sympathetic character. I mean, he’s had a tough life and is sort of just oversimplifying the causes of American demise, right?

          Tr@sh’s views are a bit insane. I mean he hates everyone except for Asians who sucking his tourist dick. But that situation is so easy to make fun of. I mean, shit, someone with enough money could pay even the people Trash hates. But the problem is, the fact you can’t tip everyone. So among those people, are some real bitches. That’s just life. Some Appalachians aren’t going to like, some blacks won’t, some Asians won’t.

          In that case, as I said in another comment, your going to have to duke it out with fists and wit.

        • Jason Y

          Tr@sh wants an easy world with smiling waiters like at IHOP or something. But they work for tips. Tr@sh wants a strip club world catering this every need – but again the workers are paid. Real people often won’t get a tip from you. How will you deal with them? Often they won’t like you for sure.

        • Beauregard

          tr@sh is a smartass but a lot of his anger is misdirected. I mean he blames the most down-trodden members of society for its overall direction.
          Isn’t that just media propaganda?

        • Trash is an elitist snob, Beauregard. He’s got that typical sneering middle class attitude towards working class people. I think some working class guys beat him up in junior high or high school.

        • Jason Y

          Real working class people would fart in Trash’s direction, no joke. They’d call him a fat queer.

          Not trying to be mean here, but just being honest. Myself, I see where he’s coming from so I wouldn’t be so harsh on him — but you know working-class Joes, LOL

          No, they’d see him as the biggest cocksucker on the planet. But again, you know, it’s not me saying it – just saying how these guys think.

        • Jason Y

          What they would do to grumpy old Trash? Working class people would mock his voice going “blah blah biah”

          Not being cruel. Hey, it happened to me too, and I was only saying maybe 20 percent of what he was saying. I was even sometimes mocked by people like that when I wasn’t saying things political.

          Anyway, for someone bashing people in secret, he will never hear any public criticism of his comments.

        • Jason Y

          But to be honest, Trash has one thing going for him — He’s just spouting out the same shit these working class (or borderline prison class) bigots say about NAMS.

          I mean, it’s all generalizations these people say about NAMS, but only liberal snowflakes will point that out.

      • Jason Y

        I see some of Trash’s anger too, but it’s important to not make generalizations but….. isn’t that what racists do?

        But if someone points that out they’re a politically correct square 😆

        Well, anyway, yeah he was probably bullied by a few of them, so was I. They’re little mullet wearing freak mo-fos who throw paper wads and pencils at nerds…

        • Trash has stated in a comment that he was beaten up by working class toughs in school – maybe junior high and high school.

        • Jason Y

          Yeah, it’s always the same with these bigots, including white anti-white ones. Always bullied, but they hide that fact under the rug for the most part. But it’s so obvious to onlookers. Like these two gay WNs I know on this forum and also the santo-culto, Phil on here.

        • Jason Y

          Is really possible to hate other races if you’re not bullied? Actually, it is – as many of the alt-right types have had little, no contact or negative contact with other races.

    • SHI

      Top dog. What I wouldn’t give to be that once again.

      I was terribly popular in college. Smart is the new sexy etc.

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