Death of a Theory and Clearing of More POI’s in the Delphi Murders

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 1:

I am getting tired of saying this over and over, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. Furthermore, I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged. I never said they were reliable sources. How reliable is a rumor? That’s for you to determine, but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source, and they are not treated as such below. 

Also when I say I am 100% sure of something, that means that I am 100% sure of it in my own mind. All of us are 100% sure of all sorts of things we cannot prove. That’s the nature of the human condition. We simply assume many things are facts until proven otherwise. Now many of these things that I was completely certain of were later proven to be wrong. Such is the case with many other things people become certain of in their own mind. Once again, when I say I am sure or certain or 100% certain, it means only that I am sure in my own mind. I am not stating that any of these things are facts. They are simply my convictions. Any of all of these firmly held beliefs of mine about this case could possibly will later prove to be false.

The only thing that is represented as fact are statements sourced from LE or the media. If you have issues with rumors, theories, opinions. etc., just quit reading right now and save yourself the heartache. 

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 2:

I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say:

I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls.

I have no sources whatsoever in LE, local or otherwise. 

There ya go.

What I do have is sources close to the families. These people generally live in Delphi and the surrounding region. So that makes my rumors even more hearsay. I’m not even talking to the families. I am talking to people who talk to the families!

Of course I have no LE sources. I thought I made that clear. Never have. Yes, I have talked to some of them, but of course they didn’t tell me a thing. A couple of times they told me that a certain person was a POI or that a certain person had been cleared with an airtight alibi. I suppose they don’t mind giving out that information. But other than that, they don’t tell me jack. It’s hard enough to even get them to call you back. I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay, they would say, “I am sorry, but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation.” That’s how bad it is.

So what do I have? Once again, I have sources who are close to LE. They get their information from LE, then they talk to me. So once again this is even more hearsay, as I am not even talking to LE but to the people who are talking to LE.

I really wish people would quit claiming I have LE or family sources. I just don’t. If you think I have these sources, just quit reading my stuff right now and go away. You will not be missed!

NOTE TO COMMENTERS 3: The lies never end. The latest is “Lindsay takes other people’s theories and claims they are his own.” Of course I don’t. This website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the Net regarding this crime. I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong. I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better. All sorts of theories have been flying around since day one. I report those too.

The theories are really just more rumors. I’d say the vast majority of the rumor theories reported here were thought up by other people. I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime. That’s how it works, you know. You get theories about the crime from others. Yes, you use your own theories and you use other people’s theories. I really do not have time to down through the list of theories and say where I got them from. I have come up with a few of my own, but even with those, I guess someone else thought of them first. Also a lot of the theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths.

In a homicide, all theories must be considered, all of them, no exception. There is no theory that may not be considered on some grounds like it would upset the persons who are suspected. LE doesn’t care if you don’t like being a suspect. Neither does anyone else. There are no theories that are false right out of the starting gate because the people involved are too nice or groovy to do such a thing.

I was a suspect in this crime myself. Quite a few silly retarded and brain-injured women, maybe a few dozen, reported me to the police for killing those girls. I even got a call from an ISP detective about it. I was not really worried, as I was in California the whole time, and in fact, I have not left this state 3 1/2 years. Further, I have never set one foot in Indiana. It didn’t really bother me that the detective called me. They have to consider all leads, and I was a viable suspect for the reason that the tipsters felt that I knew so much about the crime that I must have committed it. That’s a reasonable hypothesis.

However, all of that information was gleaned by me from available rumors about the crime. I didn’t commit this crime, so I’m not worried about being charged or even people thinking I did it. People who wish to think I did this crime can continue to knock themselves out. Go for it. They can accuse me of committing any other nasty unsolved crimes out there too while they’re at it. Actually the nastier the crime is, the more they should accuse me of it. If I am as awful as my enemies think, there’s clearly no limit to my depravity. Why should I care? I didn’t do any of those nasty unsolved homicides out there. I’m quite certain of that. So my enemies can accuse me of these things until the cows come home.

After considering all of the theories so far, a theory promoted by two women from the area was brought to my attention. This theory first of all involved MP and CP. The women felt that MP was definitely involved, and CP may have been involved too. This was an interesting theory with some nice evidence behind it, but I feel that the evidence was not good.

MP has been accused of this crime by many people since Day One. CP is a newer name that is coming up a lot. Anyway, after deep study, my conclusion is that both CP and MP are innocent of the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. The main rejoinder is that both men have airtight alibis for the time of the crime. In addition, much of the evidence against them falls apart on examination. Nevertheless, it was important to consider these men as suspects. Interesting evidence was available, and we even had a coherent theory to go along with it.

There were two other men involved in these women’s theory. In their opinion, these men were the main ones behind the crime. Their names are BS Senior and MS. This theory was based on the premise that Abigail Williams was discovered to be pregnant on autopsy with BS Junior’s baby, BS Junior being Abigail’s girlfriend. The pregnancy rumor is like the zombies in Night of the Living Dead. People keep shooting it down, but it keeps getting up and walking again. This theory just will not die. Most recently, I talked to a member of Abbie’s family who is close to Anna Williams. She told me that her best theory was the botched abortion theory. This implies to me that the pregnancy rumor carries some weight if even the closest family members seem to believe it.

Poor Abbie was also found with a stake driven into her stomach or abdomen. Attempts have been made to shoot down this theory too, but they have not been common.

Furthermore, someone mentioned that Abbie was impaled in this way in a discussion on a site that is frequented by family members. No one said a thing, and if it was false, they would have all jumped up to smash it down.

A Delphi man posted a crime scene photo on his private website. It was seen by a number of people. The website owner and the people who saw the photo all concurred that Abbie had a stake driven into her. This seems like pretty good evidence to me.

No one quite knows how she was impaled in this way. At first we thought that the killer did it at the dump site, dumping the girls and then driving the stake into the girl before he left.

A recent rumor said she was impaled via the vagina up into her stomach or abdomen. That’s actually a worse way to go. If impaled from above, she may have died quickly. If the stake was driven horizontally instead of vertically, she may well have suffered an agonizing and drawn-out death. A horizontal impalement looks like a botched attempt at an abortion.

Indian women used to give themselves abortions in this way, but they used more caution of course. It was called sticking. They poked a stick up through the cervix into the uterus and moved it around until the stick dislodged the fetus from the uterine wall. Once the fetus is torn off the wall, it is going to die. This will result in the woman having what looks like the Mother of all Periods or even a miscarriage. The fabled wire coat hanger approach worked via the same method.

Even with a vertical impalement, it’s a strange way to kill a girl even as rapist-murderers go. Once again a vertical impalement would look like one final attempt to kill a fetus.

The theory that Abbie was pregnant and the evidence that she was impaled with a sharp stick in the stomach taken together imply an attempt to abort Abbie’s pregnancy and kill the fetus. 

The logical suspects in that case would be the family of the boy who got her pregnant. Presumably they might want to kill a 13 year old girl’s fetus if she refused to get an abortion so as to spare a young son a lifetime of child support payments and the shame of being a teenage father. It’s actually an excellent theory, and LE must consider all theories, if only to rule them out.

According to these women, BS Senior and MS, older relatives of BS Junior, conspired to do this crime in order to abort Abbie’s fetus.

One theory is that they just tried to terrorize her or scare her and things got out of hand. Libby was watching and went wild watching her friend being subjected to an amateur abortion. She ran towards the men and attacked them.

The men were alarmed, stopped the amateur abortion, and wrestled with Libby. Libby was very strong and things got out of hand real fast. All of this was all taking place in the Mears barn. The men reached around and found some baling wire in the barn and used it to double garrot Libby. Libby fought hard and injured her fingers in the double garroting. Now that Libby was dead, the men were panicked. This is not how things were supposed to go. They had intended to leave Abbie alive, but now she was a witness to the murder of her friend. She had to be killed too.

After they killed (or tried to kill) Abbie, they waited nervously in the barn watching until the searchers left. Between 3-7 AM, the coast was clear to put the girls in the car, drive the car across the street to the cemetery, drive to the SE gate of a cemetery where there is an unlocked gate, open the gate, and drive 10 feet onto Ron Logan’s horse pasture. Here there is a trail that the men use to drag the girls down to the dump site, where they were covered with leaves.

Poor Abbie was still alive, and she lingers for an unknown length of time. One source put her time of death at 9 AM. If she was impaled horizontally, she could indeed have lingered for 2-6 hours there, but she would have suffered terribly.

The rumored cause of death was exposure. Abbie somehow did not lose much blood, so this presumably enabled her to survive longer. Or maybe it was sheer willpower. In her weakened state in the cold weather and being naked in the forest, she could have easily died from exposure to the elements.

Of all of the theories put out there so far, this is the only one that was even coherent at all. I now feel that the crime did not take place this way ,and I no longer feel that the crime was a result of a botched abortion. I am also rejecting the murder to end the problematic pregnancy by the boys’ older male relatives theory. It was an excellent theory, but the more we looked at it, it didn’t hold up.

We never had much evidence against the S family. What little was there was certainly tantalizing, and I will go over it in a future post.

This theory bit the dust very quickly when we learned that the women had gotten the boyfriend’s name wrong. They had combined his first name with the S last name, creating a boy who did not exist named JS. After a while, we were corrected that Abbie’s boyfriend was actually a 16 year old boy named LH.

BS Junior is the actual name of the S boy who we mistakenly thought was her boyfriend. He is actually a former boyfriend, and they are still friends. Now that we knew that the S boy was not the boyfriend, the motive for the S boy’s older relatives to commit homicide to end a troublesome pregnancy vanished. The S men, no matter what evidence we had against them, no longer had any motive at all to commit this crime.

With the evaporation of the motive for both MS and BS Senior commit the murders gone as BS Junior was not her boyfriend, we felt we needed to clear MS and BS Senior of involvement. There is still some interesting evidence involving both men, and BS Junior was supposed to meet the girls there that day but failed to make it. This too may be a piece of the puzzle as maybe the killer knew the girls would be at the bridge that day via BS Junior’s statements of social media posts. We initially thought that that was how BS Senior and MS knew the girls would be there. BS Junior was never a suspect in this crime, but the fact that he was supposed to meet the girls there that day and may have discussed it with others or on social media seems to be good evidence. Did the killer hear him talking about this? Did the killer see his social media posts about this meeting?

This is a roundabout way of saying that I consider BS Senior and MS at the moment to be innocent of the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. BS Senior and MS can unlock their Facebook pages, which got locked up soon after people started talking about them.

Honestly we never had much on them anyway, although the evidence was certainly interesting if true. I will go over the evidence against these men and my rejoinders to that evidence in a future post.

Jason Holder

JH, 16, with a new girlfriend after the death of Abbie Williams. I believe he had nothing to do with this crime, and no one has ever suspected him anyway. I wish him the best of luck in the rest of his life.

This led us to the name of the real boyfriend and rumored father of Abbie’s unborn child, LH. He is 16 years old. His relatives are protesting furiously that Abbie was not pregnant, and they are threatening libel lawsuits left and right, but I’m not naming any names, so they won’t get anywhere. Anyway, you can’t libel a dead girl. Sorry. In addition, in order to prove that I libeled that dead girl, even if I did, one would have to prove that she was not pregnant. Best of luck proving that.

LH, who is also hysterical, may be reassured that none of us ever considered him a suspect in this crime. Instead we felt that an older relative may have committed the crime. We went back to the old theory of Abbie being killed to end a problematic pregnancy that threatened to ruin a teenage boy’s life. The suspect in this case would be BH, LH’s father.

BH is having conniption fits because he thinks we are talking about him, but no one is using his name, so Sparky needs to chill. Also from what I can tell, BH’s reputation is as low as whale shit, and that’s at the bottom of the ocean. Libel via defamation of character only works where the person has decent character or a good reputation to begin with. It’s pretty hard to defame someone who has a horrible reputation to start with. The thinking is, “How can it get any lower?” and “Everyone hates him anyway,” so libel seems preposterous.

Furthermore, according to LE, BH was already a suspect in this case, but according to BH, he was cleared. If BH was already an official LE suspect in this case, why is having epileptic fits over people suggesting that he’s a suspect in this case? I mean that’s a fact, right?

One wonders why LE would theorize that the father of Abbie’s boyfriend committed this crime. Could they be considering the same termination of problematic pregnancy via botched abortion to preserve the reputation and finances of Abbie’s boyfriend theory that we were onto? They must be considering the same theory because otherwise there is no reason to suspect BH.

Further, despite BH’s fumings, we are not the only people to suspect him of this crime. BH made a post a while ago complaining that local people were accusing him of committing the Delphi Murders.

He said he was innocent and claimed that police had cleared him. He also said he was hiring someone (presumably his Cousin Vinnie in Detroit) to go take care of the person who had turned him in.

As you can see, BH is not exactly a fine upstanding citizen! But he’s not a bad guy or anything like that! No way! He’s nice!

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A charming, warmhearted symbol from the webpage of the soft-spoken BH.

In fact, BH is a very dark character, a practitioner of the occult who wears all black, delights in looking as sinister and evil as possible, and gives of the general air of a devil worshiper or Satanist. Go to his Facebook site if you do not believe me. This is man who has cultivated an image of himself as the heir to Aleister Crowley’s throne and who seems to be in competition with Anton LeVay to see who can be the evillest man alive.

He is also a practitioner of Odinism, but many Odinists are also occultists and Satanists, and BH is clearly the Odinist-Satanist variety or at least he’s putting on an Academy Award winning act of being one.

There is a lot of overlap between the two. People have described BH to me as a racist of the White Supremacist type. “He has so much hate and anger in him. He’s such a frightening person,” one local told us.

Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Odinists in the US are also White Supremacists. In fact, I have never heard of an Odinist who is not a White Supremacist in the US.

There were some death metal types in Scandinavia who may not have been racists, but they were definitely Satanists. Odinists in Scandinavia who are followers of these bands are known for the charming act of burning down churches. In one famous case, a member of an Odinist death metal band murdered his bandmate and then ate part of the poor fellow’s brain, adding insult to injury. I believe he then committed suicide himself. I may have the facts mixed up. If so, someone help me out.

Anyway, you can see that even when these lovely Odinist fellows are not actual racists, then they are actual Satanists. And many of the racist types are also occultists or Satanists. BH has a photo of himself at a ceremony where a group of men are wearing black hoods and holding candles in the dark. I looked at that and the first thing I thought was, “Black Mass.” The Satanist vibe is overwhelming. I have now been told that this one not one of those evil Satanist ceremonies. Instead it was one of those kind, loving, innocuous Odinist gatherings. Excuse me for confusing the two!

BH has some pretty weird associates. His own girlfriend, VM, is heavy into witchcraft. Her pages are full of dark, creepy and Satanic imagery. Not that she’s a Satanist or anything like that! She’s probably the Good Witch of the West!

SHH appears to be the mother of LH. Looking at her friends list, SHH has some mighty strange associates herself.

One associate, JH, could pass for Bridge Guy. He is a very dark man and has a lot of disturbing and creepy quotes on his page. He appears to be an actual member of a gently caressing rock group called Pure Evil. Not that that would raise any eyebrows! If you go to the page of the harmless and innocent Pure Evil band, they have many dark, creepy, and disturbing pics on that site. Many of them are hard to even look at. That’s how bad they are.

As you can see, BH’s extended family and friends contain a lot of creepy and scary people. A number of them are way off into the Dark Side, for whatever that’s worth. That means they are de facto Satanists if you want the shorthand.

The Case Against BH

BH is a dark, disturbing man, a practitioner of Odinism and probably Satanism. If he’s not a Satanist, he does the best imitation east of the Mississippi, which is apparently his intention. Sources who have looked at his Facebook page have described him variously as “evil, pure evil, frightening and terrifying.” He appears to be the type of person who is capable of committing crimes like these.

BH was so upset that someone would dare to turn him in as a suspect in this crime that he threatened to send one of his gangster tough associates out to teach them a lesson, probably by menacing them and possibly by assaulting them or worse. So BH likes to threaten and menace people.

BH did not seem particularly upset by the girls’ deaths. In one post, he complained about having to take his son to the girls’ funerals. Considering his son was the boyfriend of one of the girls and possibly the father of her unborn baby, BH’s comment seems remarkably callous.

BH does not appear to like women very much. He has some very angry anti-woman posts on his Facebook site.

BH, while not resembling BG, may in fact resemble BG’s helper visible in the photo of Abbie on the bridge.

Rejoinders to the Charges Against BH

I really hate to defend this piece of work because he’s such a nasty fellow. Furthermore, this tool, his foolish son and his other lame family members are all threatening to sue me for libel. Nevertheless, fair is fair, and while he’s clearly not a very nice person, I do not think he is a killer. His son LH was never a suspect in my book in the first place, so there is no evidence to counter.

rites of odin

Rites of Odin. Sorry, nope, not a fun and games religion. In the US, all or almost all Odinists are White Supremacists and occult believes and Satanism are also common. In Scandinavia, you may have non-racist Odinists, but they are nevertheless Satanists who like to burn churches, kill each other and eat each other’s brains and other harmless fun and games. Odinists are not very nice people!

BH is a dark, disturbing man, a practitioner of Odinism and probably Satanism. Sources who have looked at his Facebook page have described him variously as “evil, pure evil, frightening, and terrifying.” He very much appears to be the type of person who is capable of committing crimes like these: Just because someone looks bad doesn’t mean they actually do bad things, and in particular, just because this fellow looks like a very bad man (obviously his intention), does not mean that he committed these murders.

LE considered him a suspect: Yes, and according to BH, they cleared him, too.

Many people accused him of committing these crimes: Many people accused me of killing  those girls too, and I was 2,000 miles away. I’d love to figure out how to kill people from 2,000 miles away because some of my enemies clearly deserve it, but alas, it doesn’t seem to be possible. I’ve tried everything, believe me.

BH was so upset that someone would dare to turn him in as a suspect in this crime that he threatened to send one of his gangster tough associates out to teach them a lesson, probably by menacing them and possibly by assaulting them or worse. So BH likes to threaten and menace people: Yep, he’s not a nice guy! He enjoys threatening and menacing people, which goes along with his Beelzebub persona. Threatening someone who accuses you of committing a crime is one thing, raping and murdering young teenage girls, quite another.

BH did not seem particularly upset by the girls’ deaths. In one post, he complains about having to take his son to the girls’ funerals. Considering his son was the boyfriend of one of the girls and possibly the father of her unborn baby, BH’s comment seems remarkably callous: Damn right that’s callous, but Mr. BH is not a very nice man, and this callousness goes with the territory. I’m sure he’s quite happy to be a callous prick, as he seems to cultivate a persona like that. Not caring a whole lot about the girls’ (including the girlfriend of his own son!) horrible deaths is one thing. Guys like BH are not real caring individuals, nor do they wish to be. On the other hand, being callous about their deaths does not mean that he killed those girls. He’s clearly a callous bastard, but he’s not a murderer.

BH does not appear to like women very much. He has some very angry anti-woman posts on his Facebook site:  I’ve got some news for you all. Men like BH who cultivate an aura of evil and menace, practice frightening occult religions like Odinism with strong overtones of violence and blood sacrifice, are White Supremacists, and threaten to send their toughs out to sort out people who diss them also tend not like women very much. These men are very macho and often extremely conservative. Indeed, BH is an extremely conservative politically just as we would expect.

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A ceremony of shy, mild-mannered Odinists. Notice they’re all White? That’s no accident. At first I thought this was some sort of a Satanic rite, and the overlap between Odinists and Satanists is high. In the US, all or almost all Odinists are White Supremacists. This religion also has deep fascist roots.

There is strong overlap between Odinism,  Satanism, of course White Supremacism and fascism. While I am uncertain if BH is a fascist, fascist organizations dating back to the 1920’s were very heavily populated with men exactly like him. Indeed, BH is nearly a prototype of the men who formed Brownshirt gangs in the streets.

Let me tell you something about fascist men. They don’t like women very much. Many are heterosexual (but quite a few others are not!), but they tend to look down on women as inferior creatures. The Fuhrer said the woman’s place was the home, the kitchen and raising children. The original German had three k’s in it, but I forget it now. Fascist organizations often promote very backwards and traditional roles for women.

Fascist men are men’s man who prefer the company of men to the women they consider inferior. These men’s disdain for women is part of why that there is a high rate of male homosexuality (of the leather tough type, albeit) among fascist adherents. Popular MRA author Jack Donovan is an archetype of this sort of man. Fascist organizations are all-male affairs because women are not thought to be capable of making important decisions, as they are too irrational and unstable for leadership.

All of this is a roundabout way of saying, “Well, if BH doesn’t like women too much, what do you expect?” This sort of deep sexism is just what you would expect in such a fellow. And misogyny is not illegal yet. I am sure the feminists are getting around to it. Casual misogyny is so common among heterosexual men that I would almost consider it to be the norm. Oh, what little you women know about us men!

So if BH is a sexist and misogynist, OK, he has tens of millions of other American he-men who feel the same way. He’s not alone. With at least 20 million casual misogynists among American men, clearly they can’t all be rapists and killers. Most sexist and misogynist men probably never commit a serious violent crime against a female. Even among those who do, it’s often limited to date rape, wife or girlfriend rape, wife or girlfriend beating, threats, menacing,  etc.

Just because BH may not be fond of women doesn’t mean he’s a rapist-murderer!

Further Acquitting Evidence for BH

People who have been to BH’s page describe him as optimistic, upbeat and very much into self-improvement. He wants to be alive and free and seems well centered despite his odd beliefs. This would seem to argue against the sort of disturbed psyche who would commit this offense.

Some who have gone to BH’s site have said that BH and LH both seem to be broken up over this horror. Although the callous funeral comments argue against that, perhaps BH is a complex fellow.

BH has long had a full dark beard. Bridge Guy has no beard. BH could not have shaved off his beard in time to do this crime and then grown it back so long already.

BH seems to be the wrong height and weight for Bridge Guy. BH seems to be quite a bit heavier than Bridge Guy. He also appears shorter. BG is approximately 5’10, 180 pounds. BH seems shorter and heavier than that. The body type is not correct.

Perhaps most importantly of all, if BH is correct and he may well be, then LE has already cleared this suspicious but ultimately innocent man.

BH, while not resembling BG, may in fact resemble BG’s helper visible in the photo of Abbie on the bridge. I have seen the photo in question, and I do not see any man in that photo, much less a man who looks like BH.

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This is BH, the man with the carefully cultivated Mr. Evil Satanist persona who claims I am ruining his good reputation. I wasn’t aware he had one. He is not well-liked, and sources have described him to me as a racist full of hate and anger. But he’s actually a really nice guy! No really! The photos to the right were sent to me by a source who says that they can see BH in the circled area of the photo. I do not see BH or any other human in that circled area. In addition, I am quite certain that BH had nothing to do with this crime.

In conclusion, I believe that both BH and of course LH are innocent of the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

You know this post won’t satisfy these characters, and they and their ridiculous family will continue to issue silly libel threat lawsuits against me. You just can’t win with some people. You tell them you think they’re innocent, and they still want to beat you up. Go figure.

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73 responses to “Death of a Theory and Clearing of More POI’s in the Delphi Murders

  1. Looptyloo

    Thanks Robert!! Now who is your POI now?

    • I have two new POI’s, but I am very excited about one of them. I would like any interested readers to please email me as I need a lot of help on this POI. I am very excited about this person. I think I may have solved the case.

      • Lori

        I see the guy with the hat in the circled picture. I see just his face and hat. I don’t see the rest of him.

        • Can you circle it with a graphics program? Also I do not believe that BH was involved in this crime, although anything is possible. Also police have already cleared him.

        • Lori

          Almost smack dab in the middle of the picture and then look just a tad highrt. Try to see the hat first.

        • Henry

          I see it. But can’t find another pic online that has it. Might someone have added it digitally?

        • Mer

          All I see I the photo is the stone pedestal on which the bridge sits.

        • Henry

          I retract….I found it in multiple pics, specifically the New York Post.

        • PaulC

          You have to zoom way in. I think it’s an illusion, but it does look like a face with hat.

      • Barbarino

        This is fantastic news, Rob!!! You have 2 more poi’s AND witnesses to the possible suspect vehicle or owner!! Let’s hope and pray to GOD it’s a match and you have truly cracked this case

  2. Chubbs Peterson

    Some people seem to enjoy the “shock factor” of being different than the norm. Judging by the photos, I’d say BH is in love with himself. I dont see him as a murderer. Maybe a petty crook or woman beater but murder would surely land him in prison, and subsequently, no more selfies. Likely just a nobody trying to get some attention from the occult mumbo jumbo in a normal community.

  3. Master Splinter

    Odinists and Satanists are two different animals. Satanism doesn’t have the roots of Norse mythology. Early Norse never even heard of Satan. Satanists abuse and sacrifice children, Odinists are better about dealing with child molesters than other religions I’ve seen. Plenty of literal overlap with Jews, not just with (((Lavey))). Norse Faith itself is honorable.

  4. VGLante

    The more interesting point in this post has to do with “motive”….what is it? and who has it? If Abby or Libby were pregnant, then the motive is likely very clear and there would be very few people on the POI list.

    Secondly, the barn theory is a very key element that has been raised by Robert, here’s why…we all know for a fact that the crime initiated at the south end of old train bridge and ended on Ron Logan’s property. If the barn is indeed to the in between “kill spot”, then this killer(s) is not just local, but he’s intimate to those 3 locations. The number of people who are comfortable enough to pull off a crime like this in those 3 locations and get away with it is a very small number.

    Currently, this is the only theory that makes sense. The whole satanist thing…I get it, but I don’t believe it is the reason for this crime. There is a reason those girls in particular were killed…they were out of school and the person who killed them was very specific in choosing them…there was a reason or they would have been taken farther a way and probably never found.

    I honestly think it was an abortion threat gone bad and that they freaked out when Libby put up such a fight. From that point on, they were not thinking straight and were trying to just get the hell out of the situation. Ron’s farm was the closest way out. I would even bet these guys couldn’t be away from home too long without being found out…that’s why they stayed close to home. They could easily have covered for each other in between incidents and I truly believe they felt bad or in over their head by the time things went south. This tells me they were not evil doers, along with the fact their DNA is untraceable so far. No satanic rituals, no serial anything…just some person trying to get rid of a problem that went way too far…they were in way too deep and live every day praying they don’t get caught!!

    Now who’s on your list??

  5. Sunflower

    Take a close look at JH’s hand in the above picture with his new girlfriend. His hand and fingers are so creepy and strange looking. Just an observation.

  6. VGLante

    Surprisingly, I see it…in the photo of Abby on the bridge. It could be a guy in a similar hat with a dark beard and face. The face is larger than I imagined.

    Question though…why would a person just wanting scare the girls or perform a backwoods abortion, hit them with a gun to knock them out? I’m thinking there was another method of controlling them into the vehicle. What else could cause a scream on the recording and force the girls to go along for the ride? How did Libby continue recording if she was out cold? Was there someone else captured in the car or being held hostage? Is there another person out there who knows more and has been threatened into silence? And, why is this young man dating again so soon?

    I personally think counseling would be a priority and that it would be tough to get back on that horse after a traumatic event like this, especially if it involved a potential pregnancy and unexplained death of loved one. These are the types of things that affect a person for life!! Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for the kid having a long, happy, prosperous life with romance and all the things young people want in life…I just find it odd that a person can recover in just a few months. I mean, here we all are with broken hearts and deep unquenchable concerns for these girls with little to virtually no direct ties to them.

    what questions aren’t we asking???

    • greeneyedpea

      No kidding: “And, why is this young man dating again so soon?” I thought the same thing!!! WTF? I guess 13 year olds get over things quicker.

  7. Colorado snowman

    They already have their man. It’s R.L.
    No need to hurry the investigation at this point since they know where he is for the next several years. He’ll die there or they will get enough evidence together (or confession) to give him life in prison.
    I believe they are taking time to check out who else he has possibly killed.
    Most in Delphi know this and so the atmosphere there is relatively calm. No predator roaming the area. Only waiting for the murderer to be named and the evidence to be presented for conviction…..

    • PaulC

      He’s still my top suspect. People asks why leave the bodies on his own land? He’s old, moving them would have been pretty hard. He also may not have been thinking clearly or overly confident. People say now way someone that old could commit this crime. Well he was able to show the reporter where it happened and with a gun he would not have needed physical force. And obviously LE thought he could have done it.

      • Colorado snowman

        I personally think he weirdly enjoyed leaving the victims on his land and then enjoyed showing multiple people where the girls were found; every trip down the slope to the scene a reminder of the event itself.
        Too old? I don’t think so. As you say, a gun is very effective to get people where you want them. The voice, the clothing, the physical stance, the opportunity all fit. I gather that this guy is something of a loner. He is physically fit (youthful looking, actually, considering his age).
        I believe he acted alone for sadistic, sexual pleasure. I think he has done other things in the past (up to and including murder). I picture him seeing females on this bridge/trail in the past and building up in his mind how he could carry out what he eventually did to these victims.
        Hope these families get their justice without waiting their whole lifetime for due process.

        • Looptyloo

          I definitely think you are spot on! FBI packed up the day he was locked up

        • Colorado snowman

          Yes, Loop. Proof of Occam’s razor here, I believe.

        • I have seen a photo of RL walking on that bridge. He has a completely different body type than BG. Also he is much heavier. Also he is quite a bit too old to be BG. BG cannot possibly be over 60 years old. There is a video on Youtube comparing BG’s voice to RL’s voice and concludes that there is no match. I agree. There is another video out with Ivan Brumbaugh which compares IB’s voice to BG’s.

          Many have said it is the best match yet. I would agree accept that IB’s voice is soft and mellifluous and BG’s voice is menacing. However, many swore that IB was a perfect visual and audio match for BG. I might agree accept that my new POI, Mr. Z, is a much better match visually and even in audio for BG. He is by far the best match visually and in audio for BG yet, which is why I suspect him.

          Also I have created a video that compares IB’s voice with the voice of Mr. Z. You can listen to them right next to each other for comparison. Mr. Z’s voice blows IB’s voice completely out of the water. No competition.

        • Looptyloo

          Sorry Robert. Ivan is out for me as a POI. He was not involved in the search. I have confirmed this with 2 people that I believe are very reliable with the case.
          Now who is Mr.X?

        • Lori

          I think it’s time for an update from this lack of ivestigation and information. Spill it!

        • Kim

          You’ve got my full attention Robert. Is it possible for you to,post the voice match audio (no pics or persons initials or ID necessary). Remember, the pics and voice loop are what had LE so excited initially and they truly thought would crack this case.

          Libby’s heroic effort to capture those are what got me interested…..

        • I agree with you on IB. You know my opinion of the RL theory. Well my opinion of the IB theory is even worse than that.

          Worse actually. Maybe much worse.

        • His name is Mr. Z, not Mr. X. He is profiled in the most recent Delphi post. The guy who came from 100-200 miles away.

          Of course a huge post needs to be done on Mr. Z, but there are very serious problems with that. And I cannot provide the voice comparison audio on the open internet. It’s too libelous. I can give it to you in a private email.

          There is a possibility that a post on Mr. Z will be posted with restricted access. That is, only certain people would be allowed to see it. It would be protected and would not be accessible by the general public.

        • Sun

          Robert, would you be able to do a Mr. Z post without a voice comparison? Several other names, or at least initials, have been introduced in previous posts as POIs. Why would this be different?

          It would be great for as many readers as possible to read and discuss your ideas.

        • No, because Mr. Z reads the blog. That’s the main reason.

          And perhaps I have spoken with Mr. Z in the past. Have you considered that?

          Maybe I have spoken to him a number of times. Maybe he told me one or more times that he is an avid reader of my site.

          That’s the whole problem here. The problem is he’s going to read it. He’s already become quite scarce after his profile went up. I may well have heard the last of him.

          There’s a reason I suspect him. Also you wonder why I was able to write up such a good psychological profile? Well, maybe I know the guy myself?

          Now, that’s if I know him at all. I’m not sure if I know him or not. Maybe I do, and maybe I don’t. I can’t seem to remember. 😉

        • Sun

          Robert, regarding your 5/25 7:23pm comment here, I don’t know if I know who you’re talking about either. But, I know some people like you describe. (One is a dead ringer for your Mr. Z description in personality, history, life trajectory, intelligence level and even appearance re:BG, but he is recently deceased.) These people feel like the world is against them, that they are above the fray, and that they are smarter than others. They are narcissistic. They can be quite charming on occasion. They feel their life is a movie, with them prevailing above others in spite of all of the terrible things that have been, and continue to be, done to them. They cultivate acquaintances and friends who sustain and enable this viewpoint. They are paranoid and can be quick to rage.

          But, I’m not sure they’re sociopathic. If they are, I’m not educated as to whether sociopathic necessarily means homicidal, but I’m guessing it doesn’t. I believe that people like this, as long as they can point to something about themselves that allows them to continue to feel superior, can continue their life in an acceptable manner. Suprisingly it doesn’t take much, as they are kidding themselves anyway. Drugs and/or alcohol can help foster the illusion. Sometimes it is an obsessive hobby or employment. It is when they some up completely empty-handed that they have the potential to go very sideways.

          If someone is trying to inject himself into this matter, it could be because the world revolves around him, so of course he would know the murderer in this famous and notorious story. He’s smart enough to figure it all out and everyone needs to know that. He understands the local take because he’s got local dirt – again a mark of superiority. Others are against him on this because – well, of course, they always are. Is he left-handed?

          I’m guessing if he did notify LE that he knows who did it, he probably would want to make sure he gets the reward in case anyone else claims they called first or in case LE wants to claim they figured it out alone. If that’s the case, he must truly believe that the person did it like he said. Why else would he care about a reward?

    • VGLante

      What was the motive? And if BS were staying there, was he involved?

  8. Nope

    He’s not an odinist.. he is a shaman… it’s a very popular practice in Indiana. And yes I’ve never seen a nonwhite shaman

    • Beaver

      There’s 2 branches of Odinism, the folkish one and the one with many gay Whites, non-Whites, and the like. The folkish aren’t against non-Whites. The vast majority of both groups are softies. Racialist Whites will naturally be interested in ancestral religions. I prefer them to in your face manhating feminists, obnoxious gays that think every Viking should die with a sword in his ass, ect. Non-Whites are a bit out of place as Vikings, as Swedish Zulu warriors also would be. I made a video on Odin and deal with all kinds.

  9. Nebulous Maximus

    “Odinists” who practice black magic, or at least pretend to, don’t actually know the first thing about Odin, who is really just the Germanic version of Mercury/Hermes/Thoth; a god of Sages and Wisdom. Actual Odin would have been a very Gandalf-like character. You’re probably right that many of these fake “Odinists” are anger-filled malcontents or perhaps just IRL edgelords looking to show the world how edgy/cool dark snowflakes they are. In other words, they’re attention seekers.

    We have to be careful to not brand the Occult as categorically bad or evil; I know it’s so easy to do because of old habits stemming from 1,500+ years of incessant slander from Christians. I really hope to not see intelligent people like you devolving your analysis into the Satanic Panic version of autistic screeching, “muh Satanism!” The term “Occult” means spiritual knowledge, rites and practices that are not known to the average normie (for good reasons).

    Black magic is merely a degraded form of arcane/esoteric practice. Black Magicians, aka Sorcerers, are those who haven’t actually cultivated any true spiritual powers and thus derive all their “magic” from pacts they make with malevolent entities. If not simply deluded and confused, these people are all out for themselves and their ambitions that are completely driven by selfish, materialistic, worldly, power-based desires.

    “Good magic” on the other hand, is cultivated via soul purification and communion with God, often with the aid of what we would call angelic beings who carry out Godly endeavors. Good magic is only used to help and heal others and of course to strengthen one’s own spiritual practice. Good magic has been practiced for many centuries by Christian monks, Vedic yogis, Taoist masters, Buddhist monks, Zoroastrian Magi, Sufi mystics, ect.

    I will agree that many people these days who go into the Occult do so for selfish and unwholesome reasons. The age we live in today is supremely anti-spiritual and thus there are few legit mystical orders left that genuine seekers can join and apprentice with in order to become competent practitioners. Even on a more mundane level, the West has all-but-lost the concept of the age-old Teacher-Student (Master-Disciple) relationship that was once a hallmark of every great traditional culture. Modern Westerners are plagued by the Dunning-Kruger effect and foolishly think they have all the answers (I don’t need no stinkin’ teacher!) before diving head-first into a new endeavor.

    I hope clears up some of the confusion.

  10. Cathie

    OK..here is where I have a problem, RL, a 76-year-old Man, a known drunkard, sex, really, maybe with the aid of “The Blue Pill”. or a fantasy of sorts. I have thought that just maybe he knows who did this, perhaps he had a black out…The Boy’s (whoever they are) were at his place having a “Piss Up”, things went sideways, bottom line they are waiting for RL to confirm and LE will keep him there forever until he does.

    I was looking at all the criminal charges in Indiana and RL’s case is really not that big of a deal in the big picture. JMO

    • Colorado snowman

      Maybe not “sex” as defined by a normal person; very possibly “sex assault” (see: Marshal University, Women’s Center ” Types of Sexual Assault”). Age does not preclude sexual assault. We do not know at this point what these girls were subjected to before being murdered.

    • I assure you that a sexual assault was part of this crime. That doesn’t necessarily mean rape though or not rape with a penis, finger or anything like that. Maybe by an object.

  11. PaulC

    What is RL’s sons name? I have looked all over and I can’t find it.

    • Looptyloo

      Robert i reread the latest entry and I know exactly who you are talking about. It is possible but with his claims/past do you think LE has already spoken to him? I do. This would be interesting to see how it plays out. Is he the lone sub?

      • PaulC

        I have an idea of who he is talking about. Reading A past Ellis arrest record I noticed a poster here was arrested that same day, can’t tell if they were together. He served some serious time.

      • Well, of course they have talked to him. I know it and I can prove it. If you want to know how I can prove it, email me.

        I assure you that not much came from that interaction. I seriously doubt if he is even on their radar. I might have reported him a few days ago, and no one had any idea who the Hell I was talking about.

        I have only one POI right now. Any others will wait until this one is eliminated or if he is retained, any new POI will have to have worked with Mr. Z on this crime.

  12. Barbarino

    Lori….I thought you said the case was about to break?

  13. Barbarino

    Rob…What has happened here? Are we at a dead end with any POI’s now? Does this mean the case is going cold?

  14. Barbarino

    I agree with the simplicity of it all, the audio was only 40 minutes long…The persons who are more than willing to be in the public eye are either trying to hide something or want to be a hero in everyone’s eyes.

  15. so a child of 13 and she can be possibly pregnant and even so was dropped of at a place like this to get through all the horrors . a child
    nobody can tell me that the family has nothing to do with it. children are still children and should be supervised . pregnancy at this age is horrific

    • kathi

      I agree Dove. I have not been able to get past the fact that these young girls were allowed to be in a park alone especially on a week day without the joggers and families who frequent a park. This was entirely too remote. Everyday you read of female joggers getting raped and worse. Its on the media about girls disappearing together as well as boys. I don’t want to make the families wrong they have enough on their plate but no one is safe anymore in any town regardless of size especially young people. Pregnant at 13? I hope not. I much prefer the image of the little softball player. It would have derailed her life(and the boys) forever, and she has a young Mom trying to make ends meet. Another mouth to feed and a child bearing a child would have been a mess.

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