MOAB’s Are WMD’s

Look, let’s face it.  MOAB’s are WMD’s.

WMD’s are outlawed because they are not fair. War is supposed to be at least somewhat fair, as in a fair fight. And to some extent, a fair fight between equals. That’s why you see these situations like in Syria of standoffs going on for two years in some cities and towns. Because that war is being fought so fairly that the SAA cannot even conquer that town or city because ISIS or Al Qaeda is on such an equal footing. That’s the way it is supposed to be!

We are getting to the point with these insane MOAB’s and whatnot where we can drop one bomb that will blow up a whole town or village. That’s fair? What’s left to do? Make a bomb that blows up a whole city?

And guess what? If we can make a MOAB, others can too. It’s not a nuclear weapon. Gee, I wonder what would happen if our troops got hit by a MOAB? We are getting to the point where wars are so destructive that they should not even be fought anymore and perhaps should just be outlawed altogether.

But MOAB’s should surely be banned. Napalm, white phosphorus and cluster bombs are banned, but people keep using the latter two anyway. Not only are they used, but the US uses them enthusiastically, and when (((our allies))) start running out of cluster bombs, we rush delivery huge quantities of them to (((our pals))). Land mines are also banned, but our noble country refuses to sign the treaty because we use thousands of them along the DMZ between North and South Korea.

It was rather sexual, wasn’t it, guys? So tell me, did you get an erection when that weapon ejaculated, I mean orgasmed, I mean exploded? That’s what’s really going on here, isn’t it boys?

What sort of people are we? We drop a bomb on a country, and the whole damn US stands up and cheers like they’re at a baseball game. Screw America. You sick fucks.

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83 responses to “MOAB’s Are WMD’s

  1. MOAB does not leave the radiation for future generations to endure. False equivalency or hyperbole, you take your choice.

  2. SomeRandomAsshole

    i feel what your saying Robert, but you gotta admit that that shit looks cool. Like many americans I play a lot of video games, and if I could fly a drone and drop bombs on shit id be quite tempted to do it just cuz it looks fun.

  3. Themaker75

    With all the things that need getting upset over I don’t find myself feeling sympathy for a bunch of ISIS assholes that got nuked.

  4. Jason Y

    MOAB’s are hypermasculine and massively un-politically correct. Of course, everyone will want one – and Cultural Marxists will eventually want one too. It’s the badass sign of power shy of a nuclear weapon. I’m just being honest here.

  5. dandate4

    Wow you guys are geezers, nuclear weapons don’t exist. Those explosion films were convincing in the way 1930’s King Kong was convincing.

    Here’s an analysis of some, anyone can plainly see that archaic 1950’s special fx are at work and the ease of reproducing them.

  6. Jason Y

    The scary thing is that Muslims could use one on a US city and still maintain sort of a high moral ground. They can say, “Well, we were humane. There was no radiation was there?”.

  7. Jason Y

    Note, Trump is insane. Now he will use them on everyone, and I’m NOT joking here. Now the imperialist US machine has no chains on it. Watch when Trump drops 50 more of them before the 1st term ends…

    • Jason Y

      North Korea? I’d say 80 percent chance of one being dropped on it during Trump’s first term and of course, nobody will oppose it, cause he can just say he humanely used a non-radiation weapon.

    • Beauregard

      No, u dum cuck Trump is just pleying 3demensional chess!

  8. Wait. What? A MOAB is less than 1/1000 of a Hiroshima bomb. It’s big, but not that big. Are you confusing tons with kilotons?

    MOAB ~ 12 tons of TNT.
    Hiroshima ~ 15 KILOtons of TNT.

  9. Beauregard

    Although I don’t support their use for Neocon and/or imperialist purposes, it is true that WMDs prevent LARGE scale wars like WW2.

    It only allows for “proxy” wars with fewer casualties, like Korea, Vietnam, etc.

    So in a warped way on the big-scale they are life-savers.

    Unfortunately it disp. effects non-nuclear countries with “gimme dat” resources, like oil in the ME, etc.

    • dandate4

      Nonsense, the nuclear weapon hoax is specifically for large scale population size fixing wars. It is the pretext the one world government uses to say level South Korea and wipe out its welfare dependent elderly population, thus rebooting its economy, in the name of stopping the evil North.

      • Beauregard

        DANDATE4

        It is important to look at numbers of potential casualties.
        But a better example of what you’re talking about is Iraq.
        We took out Saddam under the pretext that he had nukes.
        The casualties of that war were in the hundreds of thousands.

        Now, what about Russia? Many neocons hate it. Without them having nukes, many people would be far more eager to attack them. The casualties would be far more than tens of thousands.

        • Jason Y

          In answer to this enemy here, I will say that it’s a weapon of show now – and later on used on a populated area where it would be worth the money.

        • dandate4

          The neocons only pretend to hate Russia, but Russia is in on the nuclear weapons hoax, only an idiot would think Tsar Bomba was real

          A nuclear explosion is created by zooming in the camera on a time-lapsed rising sun and then adding some truly corny by our standard smoke effects, all over a model train set landscape.

          We don’t need to destroy Russia yet because it isn’t overly urbanized like South Korea and Japan is, but when Russia is over-urbanized we will do them the favor of carpet bombing.

    • Jason Y

      Fuck you Beauregard – fucking pussy.

      • Beauregard

        Jason
        What WNs don’t realize is that hyper-masculinity IS the source of NAM issues or “degeneracy” as they would call it.

        In African war-zones teenage soldiers would use bayonettes to stab pregnant women and take bets on the babies genders. That is
        a. impulsive
        and b. much like how cats kill the offspring of rival males so female cats go into heat and they have “another go” at spreading their genes.

        Such is HORMONALLY DRIVEN.
        There is an optimal level of masculinity for society to function correctly (laws enforced, rationality, etc.).

        It is not Sierra Leone or the 4th Reich.

        • Jason Y

          OK so the lesson is humiliating me, is that I don’t really understand NAM hypermasculinity and that your little funny remark would be commonplace among NAMS used against whites. I get it.

          Well, of course, it is. But does that mean, though, that all whites who aren’t racist freaks are some sort of chump or slave? Maybe in a prison, but this isn’t a prison.

        • Jason Y

          I think WNs are well aware hypermasculinity is the source of the bullying nature of NAMS, just like it is among themselves, or guys on the movie Goodfellas or something.

          Of course, they know NAMS are tough guys, so that justifies their paranoia against them. They know the NAMS aren’t sweet little children like liberals portray them.

        • Beauregard

          Jason
          Likewise I hope you do not believe I would limit this to NAMs.

          This is true of KKK members, many men who voted against Hillary’s superior policies because she was a weak woman, White drunken wife-beaters, etc.

        • Jason Y

          But only 10 to 20 percent of NAMS, or maybe it’s a little more, are actually monsters who want to make bitches out of nice white guys. So given the figures, what’s the point in being so on the edge and angry?

        • Beauregard

          Jason
          your point about liberals seeing NAMs as “sweet little children” reminded me of something.

          Blacks acted like Samboes in slavery to fool overseers into being more gentle with them; it was a matter of survival.

          Imagine if they HAD NOT done this because it was weak/not hypermasculine.

          They’d be screwed then, wouldn’t they?
          Masculinity should not get in the way of common-sense.

          Really “street smarts” are a function of a feminine brain.

        • Jason Y

          Jason
          Likewise I hope you do not believe I would limit this to NAMs.

          This is true of KKK members, many men who voted against Hillary’s superior policies because she was a weak woman, White drunken wife-beaters, etc.

          Yeah, I got on the bad side of those types in my town. They would grumble calling me a pussy, but never laying a hand on me. The fact is, they cannot do nothing to me, cause I was lucky to never be born into their family – either close or distant. So I can sit here and say what I want without a lot of harassment.

        • Jason Y

          Jason
          your point about liberals seeing NAMs as “sweet little children” reminded me of something.

          Blacks acted like Samboes in slavery to fool overseers into being more gentle with them; it was a matter of survival.

          Imagine if they HAD NOT done this because it was weak/not hypermasculine.

          They’d be screwed then, wouldn’t they?
          Masculinity should not get in the way of common-sense.

          Really “street smarts” are a function of a feminine brain.

          Yeah, but you know – the blacks were enslaved against their will. And of course, like any prisoner, they want to avoid a beating. Now, some of the behavior could have been somewhat genuine, but at the core,they didn’t want to be there – they didn’t want to be slaves – well, no shit.

        • Beauregard

          Maybe an alt-rightist can explain it to me, but isn’t there excessive hyper-masculinity.

          I mean, you don’t want your life to be testosterone soaked outbursts…right?

          I often marvel at goys my own age who’s whole life revolves around getting laid. It’s animalian, really.

          Many hypermasculine types have been duped by popular culture, it seems.

        • Jason Y

          Screwing all the time makes no sense and also cocking off and starting fights makes no sense. I mean, it’s masculine behavior – but it’s destructive and must be controlled.

          What is the root of this stuff? Like I once on a math forum and they was annoyed with my constant asking of questions, but what they wouldn’t ask me to leave, but instead kept me around as something to make fun of.

          Also on Stormfront, I tried to be a nice guy stating opposing opinions, but I was constantly made fun – called black etc.. SO being nice equaled being stupid. And when I was smart, I was ridiculed as a Jew.

        • Beauregard

          Jewson
          TR@SH’s allusion to “Clint the cuck” is appropriate here.

        • Jason Y

          How is Clint a cuck? Oh, you mean, he was a bully until he went to prison and became a humiliated wuss. Now he’s out and wanting revenge on blacks.

        • Jason Y

          A cuck by WN definition is someone who disagrees with their extremist agenda and that would even include Robert and also Trash, and also Beauregard. However, a real cuck, in my view, is some puppet that won’t stand up for who he is, when obviously he’s being made into a fool and a slave. It’s the white version of Uncle Tom.

        • EPGAH

          What do you think will calm these animals down, if not the threat of a greater amount of force directed against themselves? For awhile, force and the threat of force even kept NAMs quiescent.

          There is an optimal Level of masculinity for society to function correctly, but NAMs need a more Iron Fist approach, rather than the Soft Touch that works on Civilized World people. Sadly, dictatorships keep the peace in the Third World, while democracy results in terrorist overthrow.

  10. Jason Y

    Most people in the US ignored the MOAB. How did even change day to day life? Also, once it’s massively on Mideast, who would care? Or North Korea?

  11. Beauregard

    DANDATE4

    I cannot dispute what you said, but those are “proxy wars”….with fewer casualties than actual wars.

    Instead of just toppling North Korea, what if the U.S. went for big-brother China (assuming for a second that was not an economic impossibility).

    Casualties would be much higher, wouldn’t they?

    • dandate4

      The issue isn’t overall population size but overall population density.

      Urbanization reduces birth rates below replenish and allows the welfare dependent elderly to bloat out of proportion, thus causing economic disintegration. So when the elderly population outnumbers the youth and are compacted into urban centers, that is the time to carpet bomb those urban centers, and they’ll just say after the fact it was “nuked”.

      Nuclear weapons themselves are a hoax to prop up the cult of Einstein.

      • Beauregard

        TRUE
        but it hasn’t happened yet of course.

        Guaranteed income is a foreshadowing of this. The “one world government” can write off large segments of the population as “useless”. That is something very scary.

        • dandate4

          It did happen already, all of Germany and Japan were carpet bombed to clear out the elderly. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were carpet bombed as well, but they called it a nuke and gave us this fake footage.

          The clouds aren’t even moving, its a composite layer on a studio backdrop.

        • dandate4

          The “atomic bombing” of hiroshima and nagasaki are perfectly consistent with carpet bombing, notice in the after footage there are still unburn forests next to burnt out rubble. Its fucking sloppy.

        • Jason Y

          This conspiracy theory is a bit extreme. Isn’t this sort of like people saying there was no moon landing or the Earth is flat?

        • Jason Y

          If there was no nuke, then where does the radiation measured come from and where did the cancer come from?

        • To Jason. I’m no physic’s major, but if you look forums many who believe in this are flat earthers, but lets not be biased.

          Rather I’ve read the comment sections of many in a famous documentary by a youtuber named Eric, which as far as I can tell there were point on the nuclear bombings that people didn’t catch or couldn’t respond to in being consistent with a hoax.

          However, I state again physics isn’t mu specialty so I can argue thoroughly here. What I can point out though is that the detail on Elderly populations is one I haven’t scene added to the alternate position of Carpet bombing.

          So Dandate, where did you get that segment from the Theory?

      • dandate4

        Hi Jason,thanks for keeping it going.
        ” Isn’t this sort of like people saying there was no moon landing or the Earth is flat”

        The moonlanding is demonstrably fake through parallax analysis of the Rima Hadley panorama, simply put, objects in the background claimed to be 30km away, move as if they are only 300 meters away on slight camera adjustment, which can only mean its a studio set and not actual landscape.
        http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm
        (Line AB marks the cut off from actual dirt to blue-screen)

        These are separate issues from the shape of the earth.

        “If there was no nuke, then where does the radiation measured come from and where did the cancer come from?’

        They could have just dropped radiation around along with the carpet bombing, infact fire bombing creates radiation so its questionable if they even needed to.

        Phil78:

        Elderly people are the cause of total economic disintegration and apocalyptic famine (99% of people today are quasi-urbanized) they caused the extinction of both T-Rex and Neanderthal. The doubling of the average lifespan since the 19th century is quite apocalyptic. See Bill Gaede’s end of man series:

        • Actually my question asking where did it formally tie into nukes being hosts rather than how Elderly ruin populations.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gaede

          Gaede, though likely intelligent, is no specialist in anthropology or paleontology. While that doesn’t necessarily means that he is wrong, the fossil evidence only shows that there longevity increased like humans but doesn’t concluded it as being the actual cause towards their extinction.

          Plus this was made in 2009, since then alot of evidence accumulated for neaderthals introgressing with H. Sapiens.

          https://phys.org/news/2016-03-world-neanderthal-denisovan-ancestry-modern.html

        • dandate4

          “Actually my question asking where did it formally tie into nukes being hoaxs rather than how Elderly ruin populations.”

          Nuclear weapons are an assumed hoax by the films and photography of them, notice the camera has moved drastically but the smoke plume remains exactly the same with a slight change in lighting.

          This is the kind of crap you have to accept without question to believe nuclear weapons exist.

          “the fossil evidence only shows that there longevity increased like humans but doesn’t concluded it as being the actual cause towards their extinction.”

          Ok so we’re looking for intrinsic factors for extinction, things like meteorites, war, interbreeding etc. are extrinsic factors that cannot explain the total annihilation of the species.

          Low birth rates is the intrinsic factor that would allow an extrinsic factor to finish the job, and low birth rates are caused by a bloating elderly population taking up urban space/depleting resources et al.

          So that the neanderthals life-span increased can be called the intrinsic factor of its extinction.

          You see what I’m saying?

        • I think there is again confusion and I apologize, what I’m trying to say in most narratives where carpet bombing replaces Nukes, I don;t usually see your interpretation of how it ties into elderly age in populations.

          So regarding that connection, is that your intuition or the connection made of another.

          “Ok so we’re looking for intrinsic factors for extinction, things like meteorites, war, interbreeding etc. are extrinsic factors that cannot explain the total annihilation of the species.”

          Okay.

          “Low birth rates is the intrinsic factor that would allow an extrinsic factor to finish the job, and low birth rates are caused by a bloating elderly population taking up urban space/depleting resources et al.”

          Sure, I have read about that. My problem though is calling the elderly “the cause” rather than a symptom. The “cause” however was explained to be the lack of ability to reproduce compared to homo-sapiens rather than an inability to care for their elderly in other models.

          “So that the neanderthals life-span increased can be called the intrinsic factor of its extinction.

          You see what I’m saying?”

          I do and I’ve actually been familiar with the concept of low birth rates for neanderthals as indicated by there smaller densities, I disagree that it was the resource draining of the elderly versus there actual reproduction rate compared to Humans.

        • dandate4

          “I think there is again confusion and I apologize, what I’m trying to say in most narratives where carpet bombing replaces Nukes, I don;t usually see your interpretation of how it ties into elderly age in populations.”

          The purpose of the nuke hoax is a deep state secret but we can speculate that its to set a pretext for population control through war i.e. attack North Korea resulting in South Korea, Japan and China being carpet bombed thus fixing their economic crisis surrounding the elderly boom.

          “Sure, I have read about that. My problem though is calling the elderly “the cause” rather than a symptom. The “cause” however was explained to be the lack of ability to reproduce compared to homo-sapiens rather than an inability to care for their elderly in other models.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_dependence

          The inability to reproduce is observed in all species when they run out of space/resources. Its clear that the young and middle aged neanderthals stopped reproducing because they were too tied up caring for their expanding elderly population which came with improving disease resistance, and/or that food was becoming scarce from overpopulation, and/or that there wasn’t enough room in the cave, just like we are seeing with us today now that our birth rates have fallen below replenish, and our economies are teetering on collapse as investors realize profit and demand will not increase and therefore unanimously take short positions — which is why we need WW3, and the nuke hoax serves as good pretext for that.

        • “The purpose of the nuke hoax is a deep state secret but we can speculate that its to set a pretext for population control through war i.e. attack North Korea resulting in South Korea, Japan and China being carpet bombed thus fixing their economic crisis surrounding the elderly boom.”

          Yes I recall you stating so before and I agree that makes sense, but precisely why such an extreme move? People are already aware of the economic consequences of this regarding China so if the problem’s no secret, why should the solution be concealed?

          “The inability to reproduce is observed in all species when they run out of space/resources. Its clear that the young and middle aged neanderthals stopped reproducing because they were too tied up caring for their expanding elderly population which came with improving disease resistance, and/or that food was becoming scarce from overpopulation, and/or that there wasn’t enough room in the cave,”

          Or that they generally had a different standard of population density like comparing Chimps to Orangutans which their nuclear family layout suggests.

          ” just like we are seeing with us today now that our birth rates have fallen below replenish, and our economies are teetering on collapse as investors realize profit and demand will not increase and therefore unanimously take short positions — which is why we need WW3, and the nuke hoax serves as good pretext for that.”

          First do you have data on age demographic for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a source on there economic significance at their time to warrant such an extreme measure for population control?

          And again, why should the solution to the problem merely be a WW3? This is precisely asked if this was your idea or someone else’s because other ideas connect Carpet Bombing to someone’s own means, justifying the concealed nature of the acts, while yours paints the hoax as a necessity which sort of defeats the purpose of deception.

        • dandate4

          “Yes I recall you stating so before and I agree that makes sense, but precisely why such an extreme move? People are already aware of the economic consequences of this regarding China so if the problem’s no secret, why should the solution be concealed?”

          As the top of the food chain the onus is on us to thin our own herd, most people short of the psychopaths will not agree to the wanton killing of people, no matter how necessary, unless they feel that the enemy could blow us all up with the push of a button. Sort of how historically we did the wanton killing to appease the Gods, whom could kill us all if they were displeased.

          “Or that they generally had a different standard of population density like comparing Chimps to Orangutans which their nuclear family layout suggests.”

          Yes that is a good argument and Bill Gaede does cover how the T-Rex and Neanderthal extinction pattern is still the same despite only one being an intelligent species, it all came back to the economic collapse of low birth rates.

          “First do you have data on age demographic for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a source on there economic significance at their time to warrant such an extreme measure for population control?”

          Right, Japan and Germany had the longest life-expectancy’s in the world, so all of their cities were carpet bombed. Just compare Tokyo to Hiroshima: Can you guess which is which?


          “And again, why should the solution to the problem merely be a WW3? ”

          The curing of diseases that plagued mankind for millenniums has resulted in a need for increased war efforts to keep the population sustainable.

        • “As the top of the food chain the onus is on us to thin our own herd, most people short of the psychopaths will not agree to the wanton killing of people, no matter how necessary, unless they feel that the enemy could blow us all up with the push of a button. Sort of how historically we did the wanton killing to appease the Gods, whom could kill us all if they were displeased.”

          Well there’s a difference between a justified killing (as in the logic supporting your framework) versus a necessary killing, that is it is the exclusive route.

          “Yes that is a good argument and Bill Gaede does cover how the T-Rex and Neanderthal extinction pattern is still the same despite only one being an intelligent species, it all came back to the economic collapse of low birth rates.”

          Which I find plausible, my issue is merely alluding that to our current situation. That however should be infered that I don’t find your idea implausible, just vague because I’ve rarely seen this explanation tied to the “Nuke Hoax”, so I’m not trying to be argumentive.

          “Right, Japan and Germany had the longest life-expectancy’s in the world, so all of their cities were carpet bombed. Just compare Tokyo to Hiroshima: Can you guess which is which?”

          Hiroshima does seem more desolate than Toyko going by the photos but I could buy their causes being similar.

          I however would disambiguate “life expectancy” and ” aging population” as statistics though. China, though having among the highest rates if not the highest for an aging populations, falls behind multiple countries by % that likely have more variable life expectancies and economic influences.

          http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-largest-aging-population-in-the-world.html

          Further, Germany’s life expectancy at the time was rather compared to pre WW2 conditions, so it doesn’t tell us too much of it’s state of overpopulation via elderly people.

          Finally, if you notice, both Germany and Japan fall on the list for highest modern aging populations so what ever was done in the past to prevent it was only temporary, so you would think people would come up with a less nuance strategy with ,ore long lasting effects.

        • dandate4

          “Which I find plausible, my issue is merely alluding that to our current situation. That however should be infered that I don’t find your idea implausible, just vague because I’ve rarely seen this explanation tied to the “Nuke Hoax”, so I’m not trying to be argumentive.”

          So in our current situation, practically our entire population is dependent on food delivered to them in the cities, provided by agricorps that will go bankrupt in an economic disintegration. Because of our shrinking economy, our population is dependent on one source of food, our extinction will be cannibalism just as Neanderthals.

          T-Rex also became dependent on one source of food as his economy shrank.

          “Hiroshima does seem more desolate than Toyko going by the photos but I could buy their causes being similar.”

          Hiroshima had less concrete buildings to begin with, that is the only difference.

          “Further, Germany’s life expectancy at the time was rather compared to pre WW2 conditions, so it doesn’t tell us too much of it’s state of overpopulation via elderly people.”

          Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were first world countries on a limited land mass. A thriving species requires expansion, high birth rates flooding into new territory and building farming operations there. When you are stuck on an island all you can do is urbanize and become dependent on some agricorp to feed you. The low-birth rates conjoined with elderly population collapses that agricorp through an economic disintegration. Hence the necessity for those running out of arable land to be mass-exterminated.

          “Finally, if you notice, both Germany and Japan fall on the list for highest modern aging populations so what ever was done in the past to prevent it was only temporary, so you would think people would come up with a less nuance strategy with ,ore long lasting effects.”

          Yeah…well the long lasting cure IMO is radical Islam. A return to tribal patriarchies always at war with each other, always killing over difference in belief to appease the Gods…that’s sustainable.

        • To DD,

          Watching that video on dinosaurs, it really doesn’t talk about birth rates of the T-Rex itself affecting it’s aging population, but rather smaller animals adapting to newer plants as larger Herbivores and Carnivores that formed a close-knit food chain older plants shrank in population as the plants did.

          Now, this DOES touches upon you point on “economics”, but when looking at the two plants in the Shrinking Island model as competing organisms as well this is actually closer to my point on different habits of reproduction.

          This differs from Geade’s point on Neanderthals that, like humans, needed more resources for there growing population as a result of a higher life expectancy.

        • “So in our current situation, practically our entire population is dependent on food delivered to them in the cities, provided by agricorps that will go bankrupt in an economic disintegration. Because of our shrinking economy, our population is dependent on one source of food, our extinction will be cannibalism just as Neanderthals.

          T-Rex also became dependent on one source of food as his economy shrank.”

          Wait, did the Geade video suggest cannibalism rather than famine or are you just being frank? Also my other comment noted how technically it was the “birth rate” of the plants that factored into T-Rex Extinction.

          Also you say “population”, yet you previous example specifically referred to overurbanized areas. Tey are certainly significant if not the majority, but I doubt cannibalism in First world countries will be a common resort even in disintegration but I do believe we will become more “instinctive”. Furthermore, regarding place that have high aging populations comparable to say Japan, place like America likely isn’t going to be as unstable with providing food but I could be wrong.

          “Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were first world countries on a limited land mass. A thriving species requires expansion, high birth rates flooding into new territory and building farming operations there. When you are stuck on an island all you can do is urbanize and become dependent on some agricorp to feed you. The low-birth rates conjoined with elderly population collapses that agricorp through an economic disintegration. Hence the necessity for those running out of arable land to be mass-exterminated.”

          You first brought up them having high birth rates in this response, so where did low birth rates come from? The economic advancement explains the aging population increases but that’s not the same as resulting into having less kids to replace them.

          “Yeah…well the long lasting cure IMO is radical Islam. A return to tribal patriarchies always at war with each other, always killing over difference in belief to appease the Gods…that’s sustainable.”

          Sustainable, sure, when you start at that state but nowadays that kind of culture realignment isn’t as simple in the secular state of the first world at least.

          Tribalism, sure, I could by becoming a responding trend in the future but the form you are talking about seems to small scale in nature while the terms that i think the “wars” will be based on is primarily models of society as with China in the early 20th century.

        • dandate4

          “Watching that video on dinosaurs, it really doesn’t talk about birth rates of the T-Rex itself affecting it’s aging population, but rather smaller animals adapting to newer plants as larger Herbivores and Carnivores that formed a close-knit food chain older plants shrank in population as the plants did.”

          So as T-rex’s prey situation gradually became limited, his birth rates fell off, which would prevent him from adapting to the changing environment [evolution requires high birth rates], such as decreasing body size to be satiated on smaller animals, the drop in birth rates leads to a rapid extinction by famine.

          Similarly,
          “This differs from Geade’s point on Neanderthals that, like humans, needed more resources for there growing population as a result of a higher life expectancy.”

          Neanderthal being a hunter-gatherer, could not obtain enough food to feed a perpetually growing tribe size, birth rates fell off to hunger, the very last of them probably ate each other or interbred with humans.

          “Wait, did the Geade video suggest cannibalism rather than famine or are you just being frank? ”

          The famine leads to cannibalism, billions of people condensed in cities with only the food stored in their refrigerator, when the currency hyper-inflates they’ll have to eat each other, such a large scale exodus from the city will see the farmers eaten as well.

          “Also you say “population”, yet you previous example specifically referred to overurbanized areas. Tey are certainly significant if not the majority, but I doubt cannibalism in First world countries will be a common resort even in disintegration but I do believe we will become more “instinctive”. Furthermore, regarding place that have high aging populations comparable to say Japan, place like America likely isn’t going to be as unstable with providing food but I could be wrong.”

          All of the food is provided by the fortune 500 agricorps in exchange for worthless paper, when the paper is realized as worthless due to guaranteed drop in demand and profits from low birth rates, the ponzi scheme collapses, no one will have anything to trade for food.

          “You first brought up them having high birth rates in this response, so where did low birth rates come from? The economic advancement explains the aging population increases but that’s not the same as resulting into having less kids to replace them.”

          The birth rates have fallen from 15 per family in the 19th century to 2 per family in the 20th, coinciding perfectly with the doubling of the average life expectancy, basically the cities became too full.

          “Sustainable, sure, when you start at that state but nowadays that kind of culture realignment isn’t as simple in the secular state of the first world at least.”

          Well we’re seeing Islam take over the world http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/04114923/PF_17.04.05_projectionsUpdate_change310px.png

          Its only a matter of a few decades before they install Sharia Law in the west as a democratic consensus and the tribal warfare begins.

          The daily Truck of Peace attacks will speed up the white flight and hasten that very democratic consensus.

        • “So as T-rex’s prey situation gradually became limited, his birth rates fell off, which would prevent him from adapting to the changing environment [evolution requires high birth rates], such as decreasing body size to be satiated on smaller animals, the drop in birth rates leads to a rapid extinction by famine.”

          But the immediate immediate issue being addressed here is carry capacity first then birth rates.

          “Neanderthal being a hunter-gatherer, could not obtain enough food to feed a perpetually growing tribe size, birth rates fell off to hunger, the very last of them probably ate each other or interbred with humans.”

          Alright, but the mechanism that lead to it being different was where I was getting at.

          “The famine leads to cannibalism, billions of people condensed in cities with only the food stored in their refrigerator, when the currency hyper-inflates they’ll have to eat each other, such a large scale exodus from the city will see the farmers eaten as well.”

          A tend once rations cease, likely, but a common resort I’m skeptic. Mainly a “agricorp” recipitent won’t have the same mindset of a Hunter Gatherer.

          “All of the food is provided by the fortune 500 agricorps in exchange for worthless paper, when the paper is realized as worthless due to guaranteed drop in demand and profits from low birth rates, the ponzi scheme collapses, no one will have anything to trade for food.”

          Well there would be a drop in demand and profits on the condition for overurbanization, but as I said America’s particular position in food production wouldn’t likely result in immediate starvation.

          How does there profits compare based on domestic versus foreign contributions?

          “The birth rates have fallen from 15 per family in the 19th century to 2 per family in the 20th, coinciding perfectly with the doubling of the average life expectancy, basically the cities became too full.”

          I was specifically talking about your Nazi Germany/Japan example where you begin with high birth rates. Just because the two are correlated doesn’t mean it’s the same source.

          For example, in Japan, What creates a actual lower birth rate is the lack of marriages continuing there.

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

          “Sustainable, sure, when you start at that state but nowadays that kind of culture realignment isn’t as simple in the secular state of the first world at least.”

          “Well we’re seeing Islam take over the world http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/04114923/PF_17.04.05_projectionsUpdate_change310px.png

          Its only a matter of a few decades before they install Sharia Law in the west as a democratic consensus and the tribal warfare begins.

          The daily Truck of Peace attacks will speed up the white flight and hasten that very democratic consensus.”

          I was talking about specifically pure holy war on grounds of belief, this would nonetheless fall under my category on how society ought to be run.

          Furthermore it doesn’t tell us where the influence of each religion is changing to most.

        • dandate4

          “But the immediate immediate issue being addressed here is carry capacity first then birth rates.”

          Right, T-rex, Neandethal, and modern humans reached carry capacity and the birth rates fell. That’s why they aren’t getting married in Japan, its too expensive to have children and there isn’t enough space.

          “A trend once rations cease, likely, but a common resort I’m skeptic. Mainly a “agricorp” recipitent won’t have the same mindset of a Hunter Gatherer.”

          The agricorps will bust over night on a stock market collapse, their network to produce food is too complicated for the government to just step in and hand out ration. Modern day mass-production farming requires a chain of businesses staying afloat to produce and deliver final product, its a fucking mess. It would be sustainable if people still grew food by hand and delivered on horseback, but not at the current population size either.

          “Well there would be a drop in demand and profits on the condition for overurbanization, but as I said America’s particular position in food production wouldn’t likely result in immediate starvation.”

          Of course it would, an American farm isn’t staffed by hundreds of people like the classical era, its staffed by 2 people completely reliant on gasolene and Monsanto. When the USD collapses the food production will stop completely overnight.

          “For example, in Japan, What creates a actual lower birth rate is the lack of marriages continuing there.”

          Right, they are afraid to have sex because the financial responsibility of raising a child in an urbanized area is unsustainable. Just like T-Rex and Neanderthal stopped having sex because they were facing food scarcity.

          “Furthermore it doesn’t tell us where the influence of each religion is changing to most.”

          Sure, Islam isn’t necessarily spreading quickly in the USA, but it is in Europe et al. The USA will likely face a race war of similar magnitude of the Sharia Chaos when its economy collapse.

        • “Right, T-rex, Neandethal, and modern humans reached carry capacity and the birth rates fell. That’s why they aren’t getting married in Japan, its too expensive to have children and there isn’t enough space.”

          Actually the article points out how the reason is sexual in nature, not financial.

          “The agricorps will bust over night on a stock market collapse, their network to produce food is too complicated for the government to just step in and hand out ration. Modern day mass-production farming requires a chain of businesses staying afloat to produce and deliver final product, its a fucking mess. It would be sustainable if people still grew food by hand and delivered on horseback, but not at the current population size either.”

          Well that’s sort of an unrealistic expectation since organisms are going to “change” in style of survival at some point and by some method. Even if we return to how things are that doesn’t guarantee it will STAY that way.

          You being familiar with nature as your sources suggest, most things act as a cycle.

          BTW, I was referring to the psychology of modern humans versus pre-historic ones, not the stability of the agricorp layout.

          “Of course it would, an American farm isn’t staffed by hundreds of people like the classical era, its staffed by 2 people completely reliant on gasolene and Monsanto. When the USD collapses the food production will stop completely overnight.”

          I’m talking about the supply and output of food that would already be present, this point you are bringing would be relevant towards stability of the market itself. Keep in mind, relative to other countries, where America ranks in food production.

          BTW, your model of modern American farms is a tad simplified.

          https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/background.aspx#demographic

          “Right, they are afraid to have sex because the financial responsibility of raising a child in an urbanized area is unsustainable. Just like T-Rex and Neanderthal stopped having sex because they were facing food scarcity.”

          Actually the article says it is due to a clash between traditional expectation and opportunities younger generations want to achieve in the new corporate Japan.

          Basically, it’s hard to form a relationship on their terms while minding Piety.

          “Sure, Islam isn’t necessarily spreading quickly in the USA, but it is in Europe et al. The USA will likely face a race war of similar magnitude of the Sharia Chaos when its economy collapse.”

          Another issue here is that, assuming a collaspe, who is to say that what you predict will include not reverting back to former conditions?

          If anything history shows that once a collapse occurs society begin anew basically making similar mistake on a larger scale.

          Muslims today, Martians and Klingons sometime tomorrow.

        • dandate4

          “Actually the article points out how the reason is sexual in nature, not financial.”

          The article ignores the basic phenomena of density dependence. The majority of Japanese are sharing studio apartments so small it could trigger claustrophobia. The average persons living space in the first world is progressively getting smaller while their cost of living is rising. Its no wonder they aren’t breeding.

          Even the wealthy people aren’t breeding en masse, whereas at the turn of the 20th century giant families were among the richest, the same still in power today.

          “Well that’s sort of an unrealistic expectation since organisms are going to “change” in style of survival at some point and by some method. Even if we return to how things are that doesn’t guarantee it will STAY that way.”

          Right, we’ve been changing from rural to urban living, we’d hope to return to rural living after a carpet bombing, economic collapse, race or religious war, but there is also a possibility of total extinction from inability to revert.

          “BTW, I was referring to the psychology of modern humans versus pre-historic ones, not the stability of the agricorp layout.”

          When the famine strikes, if you realize people are food, you’ll never go a day hungry!

          “I’m talking about the supply and output of food that would already be present, this point you are bringing would be relevant towards stability of the market itself. Keep in mind, relative to other countries, where America ranks in food production.”

          The supply would dry up after so long, getting back into production however would be near impossible because our current pop size is totally reliant on technology which would all be looted in the collapse phase.

          “Basically, it’s hard to form a relationship on their terms while minding Piety.”

          This is absurd because the same is happening in Europe, New York City, San Francisco, Hong Kong, Bangkok…anywhere the living space is perpetually shrinking.

          “If anything history shows that once a collapse occurs society begin anew basically making similar mistake on a larger scale.”

          We would hope so but in present condition of 99% urbanization this seems impossible, in previous collapses there were still a lot of rural people manually procuring food while those in the city starved.

          People also had tangible wealth to trade for food whereas today all we have is worthless ponzi notes.

        • “The article ignores the basic phenomena of density dependence. The majority of Japanese are sharing studio apartments so small it could trigger claustrophobia. ”

          Well it’s no secret that Japan’s over population would hinder resources and has been applied to other phenomenon, but nonetheless my point here is how that alone doesn’t explain why why breeding is so low among the youth in terms of motivations.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_dependence

          That link you gave on this was specific talking about a type of parasite, not humans. That’s not to say it the concept can;t apply, but the details ought to be consider when specifying on a particular creature.

          “The average persons living space in the first world is progressively getting smaller while their cost of living is rising. Its no wonder they aren’t breeding.”

          Perhaps in Japan but can you prove that with other nations?

          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-05/as-japan-s-population-slides-a-mayor-wrestles-with-overcrowding

          Here it does mention cramped spaces, but it is shown a spearate issue from willingness to get married which my previous article shows is of a different root.

          “Right, we’ve been changing from rural to urban living, we’d hope to return to rural living after a carpet bombing, economic collapse, race or religious war, but there is also a possibility of total extinction from inability to revert.”

          Problem here is that a rural solution as an exclusive direction as opposed to a new format of living to head towards to is unlikely if history is to be an judge.

          “When the famine strikes, if you realize people are food, you’ll never go a day hungry!”

          Yet nowadays you could form militias a seal food from others and form hidden food trade by certain areas having advantages.

          “The supply would dry up after so long, getting back into production however would be near impossible because our current pop size is totally reliant on technology which would all be looted in the collapse phase.”

          Yet you could somehow make us of the resources left by rationing, be it central or local, and search for ways to gather more resources.

          Again, my point on post-hunter gatherer behaviors versus hunter-gather behaviors.

          “This is absurd because the same is happening in Europe, New York City, San Francisco, Hong Kong, Bangkok…anywhere the living space is perpetually shrinking.”

          Yet that doesn’t mean it is the exclusive cause as it is a factor.

          An example would be if you look at Europe https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jul/25/marriage-young-europeans-austerity

          It’s specifically the lack of Jobs that hurt the youth financially, not crowded housing. Further this in effect CAUSES lack of support for the elderly as the same observation was found in Japan if you read my second link.

          Also noted is the general lack of seeing marriage as a necessity as it was in the past, not just avoiding it financially. Similar to the finding in Japan.

          “We would hope so but in present condition of 99% urbanization this seems impossible, in previous collapses there were still a lot of rural people manually procuring food while those in the city starved.”

          Those rural people likely being sources of resources for intiatives I’ve covered above in this comment. This could simply result in hire demand from more traditionally ran industries.

          “People also had tangible wealth to trade for food whereas today all we have is worthless ponzi notes.”

          And obvious resources that could help support rural areas to make them in turn more efficient from a centralized approach.

        • Regarding New York it seems to be mostly the function of it’s birth control.

          http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/katie-yoder/2016/12/01/media-silence-nyc-abortion-rate-60-birth-rate

          This link even mentions how in comparison Orthodox Jewish communities have significant;y higher birth rates, corresponding to the believed cause.

          http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-rates-havent-been-this-low-since-great-depression/

          Same as Japan, less interest in early family formation amongst youth for Careers.
          http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/12/21/california-birth-rate-falls-to-an-all-time-low/

          The association with Urbanizaed areas makes sense seeing how they would require more skilled jobs as well as likely to adhere less to traditional beliefs as rural people general do.

        • dandate2

          The morons that are labeled “experts” keep skirting around the issue that it’s only about living space. A bacteria colony will conquer a slice of bread and then stop reproducing when it gets too crowded. Urban people are using condoms or turning gay because having offspring is extremely punishing when confined to close-quarters.

          Anywhere there is a rural area you will find significantly high birth rates, you cannot find a single person in any city on earth with 15 children, these types of families can only be found where your nearest neighbor is a mile away.

        • http://www.citymetric.com/horizons/hong-kong-s-low-birth-rate-blamed-women-s-sexual-problems-343

          Hong Kong, though as of now note doing the same for men, also found similar results to Japanese people that shows little interest towards intimacy.

          http://www.citymetric.com/horizons/hong-kong-s-low-birth-rate-blamed-women-s-sexual-problems-343

          http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-news/372232/single-no-children-thailand-future

          Here it brings up clashes with traditional views as well as expenses for a kid driving people away from marriage, but again the analysis alos separates this from an aging population which would be expected to be unsupportable fundamental due to the lack of youth leading to lack of labor and thus lack of pensions. The declining birth rate itself would allow for much for the elderly to use up, thus making it a common symptom rather than a common cause.

        • “The morons that are labeled “experts” keep skirting around the issue that it’s only about living space. A bacteria colony will conquer a slice of bread and then stop reproducing when it gets too crowded. Urban people are using condoms or turning gay because having offspring is extremely punishing when confined to close-quarters.”

          Yet both humans and their modern environment/resources are more complicated then that.

          If Living space is the sole issue, then why go through the nuance trouble and resources of carpet bombing, a clearly temporary agent at best, rather than other more direct ways to controlling population size.

          Furthermore, what is convincing in the context of humans that lower marriage and sex is merely living space and expenses and that the elderly is causative of this BEYOND the correlation which could be explained in a alternate fashion?

          “Anywhere there is a rural area you will find significantly high birth rates, you cannot find a single person in any city on earth with 15 children, these types of families can only be found where your nearest neighbor is a mile away.”

          And I don’t deny that Rural living has better conditions for fertility, but my point is really the limited scope in the factors that explain the phenomenon today in Urban areas.

          Furthermore, this all comes to a point of why I think this is completely unconnected to whether or not Nukes are real.

          The basic thing is….if it is about population control and they are trying to hide it due to morality, why lie about HOW the cities were bombed? All you needed to do is merely rationalize a intent, making a super weapon of mass destruction is unnecessary if that was the true reason for the Nuke Hoax.

        • Jason Y

          One point brought up was how rural people have large families and urban people don’t. But doesn’t that seem to be a counter-argument to the racist argument that NAMS are having high birthrates only cause they’re NAMS?

        • “One point brought up was how rural people have large families and urban people don’t. But doesn’t that seem to be a counter-argument to the racist argument that NAMS are having high birthrates only cause they’re NAMS?”

          Where to begin? Seeing how this trend still persist despite blacks for instance being more Urban than Whites.

          http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2015/3/03/racial-and-ethnic-disparities-persist-in-teen-pregnancy-rates

          http://nhi.org/online/issues/147/privilegedplaces.html

          “Cities are disproportionately non-white, with over 52 percent of blacks and 21 percent of whites residing in central-city neighborhoods”

          So actually really it would solidfy the idea.

          But even with that said, it’s not just simply being a NAM that does it but rather breeding adaptations.

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  12. Jason Y

    As said on one comment on here, some WNs like Trump’s killing because they hate browns so much. Well, definitely MOABs would reduce the brown population – a WN goal.

  13. EPGAH

    Do you want to fight forever, or do you want to win?

    • (((Beauregard)))

      your avatar should be an evil Jew pretending to be Klucker.
      That would describe you perfectly,

    • Jason Y

      ep-gah has a point. From the POV of someone with a portrait of Cecil Rhodes on the wall, yeah, we should use MOAB to the utmost degree until they are all quivering samboes – and there isn’t even enough for a threatening refugee population

    • Jason Y

      Note, ep-gah types have always wanted MOABs. Doesn’t anyone remember that snowflake movie Platoon where Seargent Barnes said he was tired of fighting with balls tied?

  14. (((Beauregard)))

    EP-GAH
    Please enlighten us on what their is to “win” in these quagmires.

    • (((Beauregard)))

      there

    • EPGAH

      What kind of quagmire would WWII have been if we had “fought fair” with Japan instead of dropping the nukes?
      Hint: Japan called the first nuke a “Lucky Punch” and STILL wouldn’t surrender, despite revisionists’ claims that they wanted to surrender and the nukes weren’t necessary.

  15. (((Beauregard)))

    EP-GAH
    I’ll try to appeal to you in a language you understand:

    We fuck the ME countries up, it’s inhabitants gtfo and head towards Europe.

    We cannot both a. Bomb their countries back into the stone age, yet b. call them evil degenerate parasites when they look to us to bail them out.

    One or the other, not both.

    • Jason Y

      No CuckFace, the white man is always right. 😆 He is always noble in his intentions, that virile bearded stud-muffin warrior.

    • EPGAH

      Killing enough of them to make them stop attacking their betters.
      You notice we no longer suffer Indian raids or Japanese sneak-attacks.
      That was accomplished by beating them until they stopped attacking us.

      And why should they head towards Europe? Or if Europe lets them in, they should show gratitude, not rape and murder their hosts, right?
      If that IS how they show gratitude, they need to be kept away from all Civilized World countries and/or people.

    • EPGAH

      They ARE evil degenerate parasites if they rape and murder their betters.
      Or do you think Europe deserves it for being gullible enough to let them in instead of forcing them to stay in their own countries and take their medicine?

      Would you rescue a child from being punished? And if so, would you expect gratitude, or for that Enfant Terrible to slash your ankles and rape your female relatives?

    • EPGAH

      Why should they invade the very civilization that is punishing them and expect us to bail them out WHILE WE’RE STILL PUNISHING THEM!?

      Like you said, one or the other, not both, right?

  16. EPGAH

    Wars have never been about fairness. Wars only happen when one side has an advantage, real or perceived. Could be numerical superiority, could be some new piece of tech, or a stratagem that allows them to win before their target even knows a war is going on.

    The only time concern about “fairness” happens is after they lose.
    Indians say it’s not fair that Americans hit them harder than they hit us. They didn’t care about fairness when they bypassed our forts to hit our civilians!
    Japan whines it’s not fair we fought back with nukes. They didn’t care about fairness when they sneak attacked us at Pearl Harbor.
    North Korea thinks the mines are “unfair”, but what will prevent them from invading South Korea again?
    Terrorists think MOABS are “unfair”, but attacking unarmed civilians in our own countries is fine?
    On up to present-day, some thug’s Grandpa says it’s unfair that a victim had an AR-15. They didn’t care about fairness when they tried to attack him 3-on-1 in his own house!
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/02/deceased-oklahoma-robbery-suspects-grandfather-says-unfair-to-shoot-grandson-with-ar-15/

    Now as to the MOAB, we need to hit the terrorists far harder than they can hit us, making it clear that will continue to happen everytime they attack their betters. It needs to be a PUNISHMENT, not a war, completely one-sided!
    We deserve to cheer, we killed a number of terrorists, and ZERO collateral damage, ZERO civilians killed, thus depriving the terrorists of their favorite PR trick! Even if it’s not an NHI, it’s an NHK, No Humans KILLED, which should be just as good, right?

    Once terrorist attacks fade into history, once other countries stop trying to upset the Global Order, then sure, let’s ban war…and watch this ban get broken like all the rest!

    If we ban war, will China suddenly turn their artificial islands full of warplanes into golf courses? Will North Korea stop trying to build a nuke? Will all countries get rid of their nukes, real or fake?
    And most importantly….who will enforce the ban? What will force other countries to recognize this enforcement?