Updated March 9: Profile of the Evansdale-Delphi Serial Killer

Note to commenters: Please stop referring to Unsub as a pedophile. He may well be one, but that’s something that can be determined from this crime as it was not a pedophilic offense. Instead, this was a hebephilic offense. And the perpetrator could certainly be seen as a hebephile, although he’s not necessarily one. If you want to refer to the nature of the offense, use the word hebephilic instead of pedophilic. If you wish to refer to Unsub’s paraphilia, please refer to him as a hebephile and not a pedophile.

Thank you so much for this. I am getting tired of words being misused. And now we are being scientific on the board.

Note 2 to commenters: I am really getting sick and tired of saying this, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. The only thing that is represented as fact as statements sourced from LE or the media.

And incidentally, the way I wrote up the case is precisely how detectives work a case. Detectives do not work cases using the scientific method. If they did, they would hardly solve one case. It’s more “We believe this for now…this is true for now…at the moment, this is what we think happened…we believe…” They are throwing out endless theories about what really happened and accepting them as (temporary) facts. They are then continuously revising and throwing out theories and creating new ones.

Being  a detective is about being wrong. Not just once, but being wrong over and over so many times your head will want to come off. If you can’t handle being wrong, then detective work is surely not for you. Finally detectives arrive at enough information to file a case against someone, but a lot of that is not factual either. They believe he did the crime. They believe that this, that, or the other happened with no way to really prove it – it’s just what they conjecture.

If he is convicted, then the theory that he did the crime is validated as fact, but I am not sure what other evidence is. And even court decisions are not scientific fact because they get overturned all the time. There are not a whole lot of 100% certain, clear scientific facts in LE work, detective work on the judicial system itself. A good portion of the decisions made turn out to be theories, temporary but unstable facts, beliefs, hunches and guesswork, all represented as fact in the court.

If you have issues with theories, opinions and what not, just quit reading and get the Hell off my site right now and never come back. I am really getting sick and tired of this BS.

Profile of the Evansdale-Delphi Serial Killer

by Robert Lindsay

The initial Unsub profile of the Evansdale-Delphi serial killer was written on February 25 with an update on February 28. I have updated it a lot with new information. Major changes were made in the profile.

The main change was that whereas I was quite hesitant to assign blame for these sets of murders to Unsub previously, but I am now quite certain that not only were both crimes done by the same man, but that Unsub below is indeed the man who committed those crimes. Now I have been wrong many times in the past about all sorts of things, and of course I could be completely wrong about this too. But this time, I do strongly believe that the Unsub described below is the man responsible for both of these crimes.  

My previous Unsub in this case failed rather spectacularly, and this one could well too, although this new Unsub profile is dramatically less likely to fail than the first one. I am not a professional in this area. I am amateur, a dilettante. This is done more for my own entertainment as a hobby than as a profession. I do not claim that this profile is an accurate behavioral profile of the Unsub of the sort that the FBI produces regularly. I am just some amateur who is fooling around. So keep that in mind.

I am not stating this as fact. Nothing below is true. Not one single thing. All of it simply conjecture dreamed up from the fantasies of my mind. This is simply an opinion that is strongly held by me. I have created a virtual world and life story for Unsub in which I try to write what amounts to a fiction piece about how his life has been lived. But I know nothing about Unsub, so like all profiles, this is 100% sheer guesswork.

Profile

First of all, let us look briefly at both of these crimes. First of all, they are connected and Unsub did both of them.

More than one killer? In Evansdale, this is not known. In Delphi, there is a strong suggestion that there were two killers, the other one being the mysterious “man in black” with a backpack. The fact that Unsub may be a member of a network of pedophiles adds weight to this theory. Perhaps the network brings men together who share common criminal interests.

Purpose of killings? There has been much suggestion of why these killings occurred, to try to prevent identification, for sex trafficking, a mistake because one of the girls ran, scream or freaked out. None of these are true. Both pairs of girls were abducted for the specific purpose of rape and murder for thrills. These are thrill kills. Unsub is the sort of man who gets a strong erection when he thinks  about raping and murdering little girls. This is what gets him off. As the intention was murder from the start, sadly neither pair of girls stood a chance.

How does Unsub arrive at the crime scenes? He drives to them with his vehicle, parks it near the abduction site, and abducts the girls.

Where are the girls raped and murdered? I believe that both pairs of girls were quickly removed from the abduction sites and taken away somewhere, probably to some structure which could be a house, a trailer or a motorhome, where they are raped and murdered. There are probably two separate structures, one near Evansdale and another near Delphi. These structures are located in remote, out of the way places.

Disposition of victims. After he rapes and murders the girls, he drives them to a dump spot. In Evansdale, it was 20 miles away but in Delphi, he brazenly returned them to the very same spot where they were abducted the previous day.

Body dump spots: The bodies are dumped at the locales above, in both cases near streams in parks.

Abduction zones: Unsub likes to commit his abductions in parks near bodies of water like streams, that have one or more bridges, especially railroad bridges.

Dump zones: After he kills the girls, he dumps the bodies either 20 miles away or right back where they were abducted. He always dumps near bodies of water such as streams and the areas are forested, ranging from somewhat remote to extremely remote.

Crime times: Both crimes were committed on the 13th of the month, possibly because 13 is an unlucky number. The Evansdale crimes were committed on Friday the 13th, which is an especially unlucky day. The Delphi crimes were committed on the 13th and the next day, which was Valentine’s Day.

Sick humor: Unsub seems to have a sick sense of humor. He abducts and kills on unlucky days like the 13th as if to say that this is your unlucky day, girls! Rape and murder ha ha! He may have hit on Valentine’s Day for a similar reason. Here’s your Valentine’s Day gift, girls! Rape and murder! Have fun!’

Leaves town and did not come back for some time: In one of these pairs of killings, Unsub left town the day of the abductions. No one knew where he was and it was theorized that he was in some structure such as a cabin, trailer or motorhome parked in some very remote place.

Destroys evidence by three weeks: In the Evansdale case, Unsub worked very carefully to remove all evidence within three weeks of the killings. He also gets rid of his killing structure, but first he cleans it very thoroughly, wiping down the whole structure. If he killed them in was a trailer or motorhome, he sells it. If he killed them in a cabin, he tries to unload that for a very cheap prize too. So he dumps his killing machine and puts it into someone’s else’s hands within three weeks of the killings. This means there is about a three week window in which to access good evidence to arrest Unsub and after that, it might be difficult, as he has destroyed all evidence.

Method of killing: Knife in Delphi, unknown in Evansdale. I believe he really enjoys this part of the crime. This is where the crime reaches an ultimate peak experience for Unsub, a once in a lifetime great feeling or rush.

Unsub is aged 55-65 based on his photos, voice and other things. Roundabout let’s call it ~60.

Unsub is a pedophile, a heterosexual pedophile. He likes little girls from age 2-12, mostly around age 6-10. However, 13 and 14 year old girls are not too far out of his AOA. Many pedophiles are also hebephilic, and it’s common for pedophilic AOA’s to include girls age 13-15 because these girls still have enough of a childlike quality to attract the pedophile. By age 16, most girls are simply too grown up for all pedophiles and hebephiles.

Unsub may be a nonpreferential pedophile. That means he is may also attracted to adult females, and he may enjoy having sex with them regularly. Not all pedophiles are exclusive. Nevertheless, his sexual preference is for girls age 6-10. His attraction to adult females is lower than to little girls, but may still be adequate for adult heterosexual functioning. I may not like women his own age though. If approached by a woman his own age, he may tell her that he only dates young women. If he dates adult women at all, he will probably confine himself to the youngest possible ones. I believe he may also have sex with boys, but only if he dresses them up in girls’ clothes so they look like girls as he is a heterosexual pedophile

Unsub is also sexual sadist. He has been a sexual sadist since no later than age 14, but he has been repressing the sexual sadism at least to the extent of not being murderous. At some point in at least the last five years, this control has broken down and is no longer repressed. This has coincided with an increasingly menacing look to him.

In appearance, Unsub may be balding with white hair. In the past, may have had stringy long blond hair. He may have had a goatee and mustache in recent years, but lately he has may have shaved most of it off except for a mustache and bit of a goatee.

Unsub looks downward instead of looking people straight in the eye. This could give the impression of “looking down at others.” This is intentional, as I feel that Unsub does indeed look down on others. He thinks very highly of himself, is narcissistic and thinks he is better than others. He also thinks he can outsmart police, and I believe he has been doing just that for the last five years when he has been getting away with murder.

Unsub may have altered his appearance since the Evansdale murders. In the past he may have had rather long stringy blond hair, a mustache and a goatee. He may have altered his appearance since the Evansdale killings by shaving off the beard. I do not know if he altered his appearance after the Delphi killings.

In the past, Unsub was often smiling and seemed happy go lucky. He looked harmless enough. He was surely molesting children, but he was not violent yet, so his face remained open and friendly.

In recent years, Unsub’s face has gotten angrier. He has been slowly developing an air of menace in recent years. This is because he has been transforming from a nonviolent pedophile into a violent pedophile. While in the past his fantasies were about noncoerced sex with children, they have now turned much more violent, and now he mostly fantasizes about rape and murder of girls age 8-14. Why he changed from a nonviolent to a violent pedophile is not known.

Unsub may have been paunchy for most of his adult life from age 40 on. Around 15 years ago at age 45 and probably for some time prior, he may have been much heavier. His excess weight may have gone mostly went to his width, so he looked something like a football lineman. After age 45, he may have lost a lot of that weight. He has probably retained somewhat of a paunch since at least age 40. From 2012-present, he may have remained with this thinner frame, but I believe he retains a paunch to this day. The paunch can be easily seen in the photo of Unsub on the Monon High Bridge.

Unsub is not a happy serial killer. Instead he is a tormented one. Since the Evansdale murders, he has grown much darker. He has also aged prematurely and looks much older than he did even a few years ago. His smile is gone and has been replaced by a look of sadness and especially rage. Now he looks downright mean. His friends have reacted to this by telling him he has aged. Others say things like, “Cheer up! Smile!”

Somehow this double homicide aged him and made him much sadder and angrier. This means that the Evansdale killings significantly stressed him out. Even though these crimes stress him out, he continues to commit them. That is because he is driven in some way to commit these crimes. It is now a sort of addiction. He is addicted to rape and murder.

Unsub may have few hobbies other than pedophilia. He may like to hang out in local places like taverns, coffee shops, pool halls, etc. Here he likes to relax with friends and shoot the bull. He may be a member of some sort of sporting group.

Unsub’s writing probably appears somewhat uneducated. He probably makes some spelling errors that an educated American never makes. However, in his rural Iowa-Indiana area, he is no doubt about as educated as most people he knows, as most of them write about as poorly as he does.

His IQ is not particularly high. It is probably ~105-110, but he probably acts less intelligent than that. This can be seen in his poor writing style.

Unsub graduated from high school. He has at least some college education. He may have even graduated from college, or perhaps he went for a while and then quit. Unsub is not good at completing scholarly tasks. He starts them and quits or takes a long time to fulfill his educational goals. For instance, he is the type of man who might take 10-15 years to complete a four year college degree, if he completed one at all. He has a hard time sticking to tasks and has a tendency to drag things out. Why he does this is not known.

Unsub’s employment is hard to ascertain. He works with his hands in some sort of a working class occupation. Perhaps he repairs objects in some way. He is quite good mechanically. He may work as a computer consultant or repairman, a mechanic, a truck or school bus driver, or at a factory.

However, he has the same desultory attitude towards work as he has towards school. Bottom line is that Unsub is a bit lazy. He would rather kick back and enjoy himself than work or go to school. He has a problem with sticking to either work  or school. Many tasks are started but never finished, but this does not bother Unsub much.

Unsub has not always been like this. This lackadaisical style probably developed in middle age. As a young man, he was probably much more productive. At one point he may have even owned his own business. I am not sure about how successful this business was though.

Unsub may have been in the US military. He may have even participated in one of our Middle Eastern wars. I do not know when he joined the military. However, he may have suffered some sort of an injury in service and was sectioned out.he was injured in the military and sectioned out. This was possibly about 25 years ago.

I believe Unsub is quite religious. He is probably an evangelical Protestant Christian like so many in the surrounding area. He may have even gone to a religious college. He is probably very active in his local church, where he is regarded no doubt regarded as a great man. He has probably has a number of friends through this church. How he reconciles his strong religious faith with raping and murdering little girls is hard to figure.

Although he has been losing his looks since his mid-50’s, Unsub probably was an attractive man until quite recently. He may have had a sexy appearance in a sort of bad boy, devilish way. He appeared may have appeared masculine and handsome in a tough guy way.

Women in the local area were probably attracted to him due to his good looks. Even after age 50, he may have continued to attract attractive, sexy women all the way down to age 30. A number of the local younger women probably used to think he is “hot” or “cute.” No doubt this has gone to his head somewhat, and he thinks of himself as a ladies man.

Unsub is a fixated pedophile and has been so since age 14 at the latest. His pedophilia is one of the major themes of his life. I do not believe he has been controlling his pedophilia, and I think he has been molesting girls for quite some time. He may have gotten quite good at it. I believe that many people do not realize that he is a pedophile. He is still probably close to some members of his family and their friends. They probably do not suspect him of being a pedophile.

Unsub may have married two or more times and if so, he has a number of children and stepchildren through these marriages. Relations with the ex-wife probably are not good. The marriage may have ended bitterly and there were possibly some court battles with the ex-wife accusing Unsub of various outrages in an attempt to get full custody of the children. They may have had joint custody for a while, but there were probably big scenes and battles associated with this, so it didn’t work out well. Unsub and the ex-wife have probably engaged in big fights in public in broad daylight.

I am quite certain that at least one of his ex-wives has a low opinion of him. This is because she has experienced his sociopathy firsthand. I believe Unsub was been very mean and cruel to at least one of his ex-wives during their marriage.

This ex-wife is now deathly afraid of Unsub and regularly tell people this. She accuses him publicly of being a pedophile and a sociopath. She considers Unsub to be a very dangerous person. She has accused him publicly of molesting specific girls and even boys. I believe she tried to turn him in over this, but it didn’t go anywhere either. If asked about this, Unsub probably says she is making this up as a bitter ex-wife.

I believe his children may also suspect Unsub of being a pedophile. Nevertheless they continued to visit him in joint custody after the Evansdale murders. However, after some court battles, his I believe his ex-wife has now retained sole custody of most of the children. Unsub may have retained custody of no more than one child. In addition, I believe the ex-wife has moved out of the area quite a ways away to another state. Her location is 400-600 miles away from her previous one.

I believe the ex-wife has several children of her own, probably four or more. I believe the ex-wife continued to have kids into her 40’s. I now believe that Unsub has molested at least some of his children and that this molestation went on for years. I am unsure of how good his relationship is with his children, but I believe at least some of them accuse him of being a pedophile. The children are minors or they were when Unsub was still married.

Unsub has not always resided in the Indiana-Iowa area. Previously, he lived about 500-700 miles away but in a similar cultural region. He moved to Indiana-Iowa ~25 years ago, when he was ~35 years old.

If the Evansdale killer also did the Delphi killings, he traveled some distance for at least one and maybe both of these crimes. I do not believe that the killer lives in either Evansdale or Delphi. He’s not that stupid. But I do believe he lives near one place. He resides close to Evansdale. This means he drove ~350 miles to commit the Delphi murders. He has no problem driving 5-6 hours to commit a double homicide and then returning home. In other words, the Delphi murders were committed by someone from out of state as the ISP now believes.

I believe that Unsub took the Iowa girls to a residence of his. The residence may have been a house, a camper or a motorhome. The house may have been located in a remote area. If it was a camper or motorhome, he parked it in some remote area. Within 12 hours of the Evansdale abduction, he left the where he lived. He stayed away for at least three weeks.

It was in this structure that he raped and killed those girls. He may have blocked out the windows and even soundproofed his residence in order to do this. Afterwards he cleaned his place up as thoroughly as he could.

Unsub does not have a lot of money, but I believe he owns his own modest home in Iowa close to Evansdale. He may also own a trailer or a motorhome of some sort.  His principal residence may have the appearance of a sparsely or poorly-furnished bachelor residence. The walls may be white with a white carpet. It is probably not even well-lit inside, and the residence may have a dim look about it, even in daytime.

I believe that Unsub is is divorced and he lives alone. He probably has little girls over at his residence from time to time, but I am not sure if he molests them there or not. He probably has some photographs of little girls in his residence. I do not know if he collects child pornography, but he probably has a significant collection of photos of cute little girls obtained in a variety of places. He may have some photos of himself with a little girl or two next to him.

Unsub continues to drive a fairly nice car. This car may be a compact. Its color may be red. It is this red compact that was driven from Iowa to Indiana to commit the Delphi murders.

In the Evansdale killings, there was talk of a white SUV in the area where the girls disappeared. It was never proven to have any connection with the murders. I am unsure if Unsub used that white SUV to commit the Evansdale crimes. I believe he did have a white SUV around 2012-2013, but I am not sure if it was operable or broken down. But it could clearly be seen parked outside on his property.

He’s going to lay low for a while. He won’t do any similar crimes in the near future. He’s not that stupid. Unsub seems to take these murders rather hard. They take their toll on him. He has not been sitting pretty since the Delphi murders. Instead he is highly stressed out. He is quite worried about getting caught now that they have a photo of him, a recording of his voice and a possible record of his DNA. He got away with the Evansdale killings easily, but this time he had a run of bad luck as the girls got photos and a voice recording of him.

Despite the fact that Unsub is stressing out badly over this latest crime, he remains in the Iowa area near Evansdale.

I am not sure whether he has marks on his face from Libby’s fighting back. It’s possible. If so, people need to keep an eye out for a man who suddenly developed scratches on his face since the Delphi murders.

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26 responses to “Updated March 9: Profile of the Evansdale-Delphi Serial Killer

  1. Themaker75

    Good read. The West Memphis 3 case got me interested in real life murder cases.
    Robert, do you have any thoughts on that case?

    • Yes, those three boys are all GUILTY AS HELL. Especially the aptly named Damien Echols, who is of course now a practicing Satanist.

      • Themaker75

        I’m still on the fence after all these years. I would love to see a documentary by someone who feels they are guilty.
        John Douglas, one of the men who wrote the book on FBI profilers feels they are innocent. In my book profiling is worse than pseudo science, though very interesting.

  2. jvap

    I know the date of the 13th has been mentioned and deemed potentially only coincidental by investigators. However, it definitely seems more than coincidental that the dates of Evansdale and Delphi would also be the same forwards and backwards, right? 7-13-12….2-13-17

    • Rich_M

      I don’t see any relevance to the dates.
      The circumstances of the Iowa case may revolve around the fact that one girl’s parents were deep in the Meth trade and may have pissed off the wrong people. The killing of the girls could have been meant to send a message. This same girl’s father had just completed a plea bargain because he was facing 200 years in prison.

      This is very similar to the case in Chicago of Diamond and Tionda Bradley, which you can read about here… http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bradley-sisters-anniversary-met-20160705-story.html

      Talk was their mother was neck high in the dope trade and about to flip on the wrong people.

      There is no link to the drug trade in the Delphi case as far as we know.
      It appears that it was just a child abduction rape/murder case.
      We also so not know if the bodies were posed, if the same m.o. or signatures were present or any other comparisons between the two cases so its hard to make a determination that both crimes were done by the same offender.

  3. Annmarie Price

    I have to ask and I apologize if it’s an uncomfortable question, how does one person rape two girls without one running off .. he must of taken them to a place with threat of a gun.. otherwise he would of had to of killed the first girl right away… does anyone understand what I’m trying to say.. I’m not real keen on even asking but it’s something that’s weighing on me.

    • Damn good question actually. I assume he ties them up. Ted Bundy used to go in for doubles to. He did two at once at least one time. Perhaps this fellow is following in Mr. Bundy’s footsteps.

      Hell of a way to go though. Basically one girl witnesses the other being raped and murdered knowing full well that this is the fate that awaits her.

      JESUS CHRIST THAT’S AS BAD AS IT GETS.

      • Annmarie

        Allow me to speak my mind freely. My theory is this. I believe the Unsub was already “down the hill”… if you look at the pic Libby took of Abby on the bridge, that is a very long bridge and there is no one in sight.. (speculation, there was a picture going around with a guy next to a tree to the right side of Abby down by the creek).

        We are talking broad daylight, time is of the essence. I say this with some doubt because I too am neither an investigator I am simply someone theorizing. The Unsub would have to be monitoring the end of that bridge making sure no one is either coming from either end in order to grab his first victims which happen to be the girls.

        The Unsub would have to know his area of attack was free and clear for him to carry out his brutal attacks. Maybe the other guy was a look out at the beginning of the tracks and “down the hill” could of been him calling the other POI.

        So, I’m thinking Libby photographed Abby on the bridge and at the point & time the perpetrator came up from that hill, walked past them on the bridge after the picture was taken of Abby, kept walking towards the beginning of their start point, then made a quick u-turn walking towards the girls to which Libby may have been videoing and turned quickly to catch this guy because she was rolling camera to begin with & maybe had an oddity about him.

        He may have even yelled hey wait up or anything to slow them down because they had a good lead on him had they seen him way down the bridge when Libby took the photo of Abby. Following me? Now, one thought also has come to mind, the creek, had he ordered them to walk across that creek their tennis shoes/sneakers, skinny jeans, are very hard to remove when wet. He must of taken them to a some sort of structure or car as you mentioned, with help.

        Broad daylight, two girls possibly one tied up as you mentioned, still is not an easy task unless the thrill of getting caught came into play…I believe he knew the landowner wasn’t home there was too much risk involved knowing the landowner or anyone was around. Again, I have no idea of the crime scene I’m merely thinking aloud and piecing together what info we all do have in regards to this case, I do not mean to hinder or throw out false information that is not my intention. I’m keen on constructive conversation and theories.

        • Annmarie

          I also have a conspiracy theory. They died on the 13th, M is the 13th letter in the alphabet… there is a Masonic cemetery right there! Ok I said it!!!!

  4. Rich_M

    Maybe he brought them to his car and had one lay in the front seat ordering her not to move while he assaulted the other in the back seat. With such tight quarters, it would be pretty easy to control both of them.

  5. D. Adams

    Could it be a friend of Ron Logan who knew he was planning on leaving town that day? I’m sure the LE people have already checked that out already.
    Also Im very perplexed why the volunteers and police search team did not search for the girls all night! Did everyone just think the girls just decided to stay out all night and that was ok? Wtf! As a parent I would be out there all night with my phone, a good flashlight, a gun and my German shepherd. Never give up!

    • Annmarie

      I’m with you on that one… there would of been no way going home! If they searched til midnight and called off the search because it was too dark????? Dark is dark midnight -dusk However, I think he dumped their bodies the next morning..I think he had them in one of those sheds or out buildings as they call them….why didn’t the dogs pick anything up, I would of let the dogs go wild…. also during the news interviews while they were looking, I didn’t hear them yell their names? Maybe they did… My thoughts are changing daily. As bits of news unfold like one evidence being found, I’m inclined to agree it was absolutely someone who knew RL wasn’t home and used his place. I think he is in jail not on probation, but because he has given a name and he is in for protection. It could be many things.. I’m just focused on missing pieces. And of course, my opinion only.

      • Ricita

        I totally agree that RL is being held for his protection. A 70something with a drinking problem did not commit these crimes. I wish people would stop pointing the finger at him and his son. You don’t poop in your own backyard. Duh! Some people need a reality check. Just sayin’!

        • Annmarie

          I agree… he is also not that agile… you just aren’t even though you can still get on feeding your horses… 77 somethin ‘ bones are cold & stiff.. no, this was done by a jackal… a crazed sicko!

          Some have asked why did he leave he cell phone?… my thought is, he was startled or crazed with adrenaline and forgot. Bet he is absolutely watching the LEs next move. These are just my thoughts to missing pieces. Hope to God they nail him.

  6. D. Adams

    Yes. U may be onto something about the bodies being possibly moved. But if you mean on the property, why would the murderer want to mess around moving 2 bloody bodies all over the place and risk being seen doing all that and leaving a trail of blood if that were the case.
    What are your thoughts about RLs son?

    • Annmarie

      I think he threatened them into one of RL outbuilding as they call them.. he would have to contain them some how.. two girls, one could run or fight back while one got away, but that didn’t happen. Carrying out a brutal attack during broad daylight when people could see from atop of the bridge and screaming would of been heard.. I would think he may of only brought them out at night.

      Richard mentioned in his article Abby died from hypothermia, so she would of been alive, was it even possible for her to make a sound, depending of course of the situation, that is if the search party was in that direction. What I don’t understand is LE parked where the cemetery was & from what I read there is a trail leading to where the girls were found, why were they not there when searching? it’s very hard for me to write my thoughts out ..my heart is clenching. Your thoughts?

      • D. Adams

        Yes. I know what u mean. I hope they figure it out soon. There is no safe place any more. And I find myself terribly depressed since this happened.
        To me Ron Logan does not seem like a monster just going on looks, size, age etc. Plus he has been willing to speak to the press. And he seems educated. Apparently has all his teeth. Has a dog that follows him all over his property and horses. He’d have to take care of his animals every day. So he must have a heart. ❤ When I first learned of this horrible crime I figured it was a mentally sick person or a psychopath from out of state or even someone who escaped from prison or Logansport State Hospital. Although I don’t know Mr. Logan, he just doesn’t look like what I imagined a monster would look like.

        • Annmarie

          I think you’re right! My thoughts are veering that direction. Because most of us are not LE or attorneys, trying to figure out why he went to jail, speculating this or that gets overwhelming! Most of us want to comfort the family and we are not aware how much of social media can hurt the case & them.
          I found Roberts site due to the fact I could discuss this case in a constructive manner, so thank you 🙂
          I have a feeling right now everything is in the hands of the LE, how close can they be? I don’t know, on Facebook, we keep trying to outsmart the police with our theories!

        • D. Adams

          Could it be that Abby was immediately thrown off the bridge some 75 ft below onto rocks and Libby was the only one being ordered down the hill? We don’t know if there were any broken bones or fractures from a possible fall. In the tape “…down the hill” we can hear walking. Has it been determined from that audio how many footstep sounds there are? If there were potentially 3 or more people on the bridge then the rythym seems all wrong. The cadence of foot steps is not picking up 3 or 4 sets of footsteps in my opinion. It’s picking up one. And since it was determined that Libby was the one carrying the cell phone we are hearing only her footsteps. Why would the phone audio not pick up sounds of other footsteps?
          Grasping at straws I know but if LE could be more informative we wouldn’t all be imagining all these different scenarios.

      • I agree with this scenario.

        I assume they could not cry out because they were bound and gagged. Yes, the girls were marched down to their deaths, probably between 2:30 AM- 9:30 AM 2-14, more likely predawn. They were killed at the dump site, I believe.

        • uh uh

          That doesn’t make sense. Where then, do you suppose they spent the afternoon and evening? Also. The killer is a horseman. Look at those bowed legs.

    • Annmarie

      Sorry, RLs son. I’ve read he is tall & lanky!

      I also think maybe since no one knows BG, he is either someone who has been released from jail and it’s maybe been 10 yrs & no one recognizes him anymore , he knows the area and made darn sure those girls were across that bridge before he made his move. I’m hoping DNA will prove a positive ID.

  7. Wanda

    Curious as to why the perpetrator is in his 60’s as you say? I would think late 30s to middle 40s? Excellent writing. Enjoy these very much! I’m wondering how he planned to kill these two girls, he laid in wait for them. How he knew they would be on the bridge that day etc.

    • Hi, we are discussing a lot of those things in the private threads. Glad you love my writing! I fail at pretty much everything else, but I can write.

      I no longer believe he is in his 60’s. I believe he is 52 years old.

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