Updated February 26: Sexually-Motivated Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abbie Williams

Note to commenters: Please stop referring to Unsub as a pedophile. He may well be one, but that’s something that can be determined from this crime as it was not a pedophilic offense. Instead, this was a hebephilic offense. And the perpetrator could certainly be seen as a hebephile, although he’s not necessarily one. If you want to refer to the nature of the offense, use the word hebephilic instead of pedophilic. If you wish to refer to Unsub’s paraphilia, please refer to him as a hebephile and not a pedophile.

Thank you so much for this. I am getting tired of words being misused. And now we are being scientific on the board.

Note 2 to commenters: I am really getting sick and tired of saying this, but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories. None of that is represented as fact. The only thing that is represented as fact as statements sourced from LE or the media.

And incidentally, the way I wrote up the case is precisely how detectives work a case. Detectives do not work cases using the scientific method. If they did, they would hardly solve one case. It’s more “We believe this for now…this is true for now…at the moment, this is what we think happened…we believe…” They are throwing out endless theories about what really happened and accepting them as (temporary) facts. They are then continuously revising and throwing out theories and creating new ones.

Being  a detective is about being wrong. Not just once, but being wrong over and over so many times your head will want to come off. If you can’t handle being wrong, then detective work is surely not for you. Finally detectives arrive at enough information to file a case against someone, but a lot of that is not factual either. They believe he did the crime. They believe that this, that, or the other happened with no way to really prove it – it’s just what they conjecture.

If he is convicted, then the theory that he did the crime is validated as fact, but I am not sure what other evidence is. And even court decisions are not scientific fact because they get overturned all the time. There are not a whole lot of 100% certain, clear scientific facts in LE work, detective work on the judicial system itself. A good portion of the decisions made turn out to be theories, temporary but unstable facts, beliefs, hunches and guesswork, all represented as fact in the court.

If you have issues with theories, opinions and what not, just quit reading and get the Hell off my site right now and never come back. I am really getting sick and tired of this BS.

Most of the red hot discussion about this case has moved over to the private password-protected threads. On these fora you can discuss people’s full names, addresses, phone numbers, you name it – you can accuse anyone of anything, and you don’t have to worry about the threat of a defamation or libel lawsuit. Furthermore, the fora are rigorously policed to keep out trolls, spies, and other disruptors. None of your comments will appear on Internet search engines – you can say anything you want under any name you want without leaving a permanent record on the Net.

A vast amount of mostly unreleased photos, videos and data is stored and discussed here. Much of this information is highly pertinent to the case, but we have not released it on the open Net yet due to fears that we might harm the investigation. All of our material is turned over to LE, and my understanding is that LE monitor the private fora. At this moment, we have ~150 Websleuths working on the case. Instructions for joining those threads are here.

This post has now been updated:

Updated March 6: Sexually-Motivated Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abigail Williams

Sexually-motivated double homicide of two teenage girls, one 13 and the other 14. For some background on this heartbreaking case, see here.

This is an update of the case as of February 26, 2017.

How Do I Know All This Stuff?

First: How do I know all this stuff?

Question: “Robert, How Do You Know So Much about Serial Killers, Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Sexual Sadists?”

I have done a lot of research on this case including released information, rumors and borderline areas such as cryptic statements by LE. I have also spoken to people close to the case, including those close to the search party and law enforcement investigation of this case. I also spoke to other sleuthers and people interested in the case. Some were associated with missing persons groups. I have pretty good sleuthing skills involving research. This includes digging through background information databases online and other sorts of web research.

This is the source of some of my material.

I also worked a bit with Indiana State Police and the FBI, sharing my POI’s and tips with them. It is not an astounding statement. Please realize that a lot of people are working with LE in trying to solve this case. However, LE did not reveal much information to me other than some cleared suspects. Other information is derived from my own theorizing about the case. This includes offender profiling. And I believe I have some mild psi skills.

So there’s the source of all of the information.

My Musings on This Case

The girls were obviously tied up, I believe with a rope. But it is not proven that rope was used.

I believe that Libby was killed on 2-13, possibly pretty quickly, and Abby died or 2-14. The published obits state those dates. This has been confirmed to me by sources close to law enforcement. There is a rumor that the families chose those dates as death dates, but that would apply only to funerals, not obits. Obit info would come straight from coroner report. Therefore, the coroner report had to state different death dates. See below for more evidence that the girls died on different days.

When the search was going on, Libby’s phone was dead.

This was not a crime of opportunity. He planned this very well. He plans his crimes with the utmost meticulousness. That is why he is armed with the gun and disguising himself.

I have reason to believe that these girls were catfished, possibly via Libby’s Instagram page, although this is not proven yet. That is, the girls may have thought they were going there to meet a teenage boy, but instead they met the killer. The killer would have pretended to be a teenage boy in  order to lure the girls. There is no hard evidence for this, but there is some suggestive evidence via cryptic LE statements and friends of Libby’s speaking about activity on her Instagram account.

In my opinion, Unsub is approximately 5’8-5’10, ~160 pounds with a bit of a middle aged man’s stomach paunch.

LE stated that they believe that Unsub came from out of state to do this crime.

Clearly Unsub has a pistol, a .45 or 911. The pistol was holstered to his right side, which means he is left-handed. The outline of the pistol can clearly be seen in the photo released of the man. A photo exists showing the pistol outlined with graphic software. Assuming that is a pistol, and it is, then Unsub is left-handed. He is either left-handed or pretending to be left-handed. Pretending to be left-handed makes no sense in a case like this as it would be hard to draw with his fake left. This would result in a clumsy draw resulting in possible dropping or fumbling with the weapon. Therefore, Unsub is left-handed.

Law enforcement stated in the media that Unsub may be trying to disguise himself in the photos by using a hat and a scarf. 

He is wearing a hat, a jacket with a hoodie and blue jeans in the photo. In my opinion, the hat is a camouflage hunting cap with padded ear muffs. Unsub is overdressed for the weather, but February in Indiana is pretty cold. He seems to have layers of clothing on. He has almost his entire body covered with clothing. Part of this is to disguise himself but another reason is so he will have few exposed areas of his body if the girls fight back hard. The layers of clothing will prevent them from leaving scratch marks on his body, although they still could scratch up his face pretty good.

LE confirmed in the media that Unsub has a fanny pack. This is probably where he kept his murder kit.

Talk of backpacks and duffel bags makes no sense to me. I do not believe that Unsub had a backpack or a duffel bag, but perhaps he did. At any rate, there was a man dressed in all black seen at the time also. This man definitely had a backpack. I believe that this man participated in the murders with Unsub. In other words, there were two killers.

There were apparently two killers in this case. This can be gleaned from cryptic LE statements. Very quickly, with the release of the photo, LE described Unsub as the man who “participated” in the killings. However, if you study this sort of thing, LE never uses the word participated when describing a crime with a single killer. That verb is only used when there is more than one killer. I kept wondering why they always used the word participated.

At the large video press conference, we got more evidence. At ~3 minute mark, the officer says, “And I especially want to thank the person whose information will lead to the arrest of the murderers of these girls.” I have listened to that part of the tape over and over, and he clearly said murderers. He did not misspeak. He said that intentionally.

Later in the conference, after a cryptic statement by an officer, someone in the audience jumped up and asked, “Wait a minute! Do you think there were two killers?” The officer then said, “Look, this is one of the strangest,  oddest, most confusing and  convoluted cases I have ever worked on, ok? So just keep that in mind.” With that statement, it’s pretty clear that he is cryptically stating that there were two killers. 

As far as how LE came to state that there were two killers by using the word “participated,” I believe that they came to that conclusion by gleaning four sets of DNA from the crime scene: Two sets were Libby and Abbie, and the third was Unsub. But if a fourth DNA sample was found at the site, that can only mean two killers. LE’s official statement right now is that they do not know whether there were one or two killers involved. I believe that the evidence revealed so far is sufficient to conclude that there were indeed two killers.

Sources close to law enforcement say that Abbie’s body was still warm when found, and the medical examiner concluded that she survived the attack but died later of hypothermia. If the body was warm, this means that Abbie died of hypothermia no earlier than 9:30 AM, as the bodies were discovered at 12:30 PM, and bodies only stay warm for 2-3 hours after death. This means that Abbie was certainly still alive when the search started at 9:30 AM.

Sources in the search party in the Delphi case confirmed that the bodies were moved in the course of this crime. They stated that the girls had to have been moved, taken away and then returned to be dumped because the search parties covered the same ground in both searches. The locale where they were found on 2-14 had previously been searched on 2-13. The 2-13 search began at 5:30 PM, and by that time, the girls had been moved out of the area. The attack began at ~2:15 PM, so the girls were moved out of the area sometime between 2:30-5:30 PM.

Unsub must have put the girls in his vehicle and transported them somewhere where he assaulted them either in his vehicle or at a residence, either his own residence, an associate’s residence, an abandoned residence, or a residence that he had use of. Unsub was certainly not in the area from 5:30 PM on 2-13 until 2:30 AM on 2-14 and from 9:30 AM-12:30 PM on 2-14. Therefore, the girls were returned to the site on 2-14 between 2:30 PM-9:30 AM on the morning of 2-14. Unsub has a seven hour window on 2-14 in which to return the girls to the site.

Unsub probably parked his vehicle on the road next to the cemetery. Police vehicles were seen in the area, but they were not searching the cemetery. Instead there was a long line of them parked on the road next to the cemetery. Therefore, Unsub may have parked his vehicle on the road next to the cemetery.

In published UK media, grandfather who raised her made an odd statement, “I know Libby. She put up one Hell of a fight.” The grandfather has been cleared. However, he is correct that Libby put up a strong battle. The reason that the grandfather said she put up a wild fight is probably because that is what it says in the medical report. If she fought hard, there will be talk of defensive wounds and maybe DNA under her nails. The condition of her body at the funeral adds weight to the notion that she fought back very hard and sustained many defensive wounds. In that case, Unsub may have scratch marks.

I do not believe that LE has any particular POI at this moment. They are far away from solving this case.

The first LE they did was to go around questioning people who were being talked about as possible suspects. They have already cleared a number of people this way. They are also going around to all of the local RSO’s and questioning them. They want them to come talk about the case. While at the police station, they searched their phones and asked them to submit DNA. They are clearing many of the RSO’s this way.

The raid was on the property of the Jim Maxwell who lives on Bicycle Road. He is completely innocent and cleared. This poor guy had nothing to do with it.

I believe the gun obviously holstered on the right under the jacket of Unsub was used to control the girls. He also got them to keep quiet, probably with the gun. However, I do not believe the gun was used to kill the girls. It would have made too much noise. Rumors that this was not a gun crime are probably correct.

Sources people close to law enforcement confirmed that both girls had their throats slit. Funerals were open casket, and witnesses stated that both girls had scarves covering their necks, more to cover something up than as clothing. This adds weight to the theory that their throats were slit. Libby also had small wounds in many places on her body, and her face had been somewhat injured. This is because she fought back against him very hard.

This is obviously a sexually motivated offense. Initial reports said both girls were raped. Sources close to law enforcement confirmed that rape was involved in this case and that Abbie was definitely raped. Whether Libby got raped is not known, and there are problems with the theory. There are different reports about the state of the bodies. There are rumors that both girls were nude. But sources close to LE say that Abbie was nude while Libby was clothed. It is difficult to reconcile Libby being raped with her being found fully clothed.

There is no evidence of physical torture in this case.

Prepubertal girls have no sex drive, and they have no sexual interest in boys. If these were prepubertal girls, we could rule out their meeting a boy via social media, as girls that age are not interested in boys sexually. At sexarche, usually age 13, the sex drive comes on strongly, and many girls become very sexually interested in boys and even men. Both girls had surely passed sexarche. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that they could have been there to meet a boy their age.

Ron Logan, the property owner where the girls were found, was in Lafayette, Indiana on 2-13, and Unsub may have known he would not be there, but there is no proof of this. How he may have known this, I have no idea.

Other posts in this series:

Possible Major Break in the Delphi and Evansdale Murders

Updated March 9: Profile of the Evansdale-Delphi Serial Killer

The Case for Unsub Involvement in the Delphi and Evansdale Double Murders

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72 responses to “Updated February 26: Sexually-Motivated Double Homicide in Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017: Liberty German and Abbie Williams

  1. Catherine

    Thank you. I appreciate your hard and insightful work re this case. I must say that I am of the mindset that Jim Maxwell fit the description of the POI now Suspect to a tee. I viewed FB sites etc. and one thing that stood out for me aside from his balding grey hair, goatee, his age Dad jeans, caps, was that he always appeared to have his hand/s in a pant pocket/s. His wife has cancer, she rarely if ever posts a thing or a pic of him on her page. The daughter was married this past Nov, had posted pic’s at the time of the wedding however recently she posted a pic from her wedding of her and her Dad, I thought this was odd, why Feb 17th, after the Maxwell home was searched by FBI and LE???

    FBI and LE took items from the home, property, shed etc., obviously to be sent to Forensic’s, so I ask you why has he been cleared, perhaps for the time being, however, I highly doubt these items have finished being tested. Thanks

    • I do not know why he has been cleared, sorry. Wish I could help you on that.

    • Tanya Myers

      Are u saying u think they are trying to say something w out saying it by posting the pics after the serch ? Almost like they think hes guilty to and ir they think resembles the poi?

    • Ivypack

      Where does Jim maxwell live? Street name?

    • Alyx

      Hi Catherine,

      Jim Maxwell does not fit the description of the suspect. He is shorter. He has dark brown/gray hair as you pointed out. He has a full beard. He is heavier set. Sure, his clothes may look similar. I think you could walk into most factories and find men who wear the same type of clothing. When you break it down, he does not look like the man in the image, nor does his voice sound like the person’s on the recording.

      His wife doesn’t post pictures pictures of him because he doesn’t like his picture taken. This is for no other reason than him thinking he doesn’t photograph well. I don’t appreciate you taking the very few photos there are of him on the internet and scrutinizing his appearance and body language to fit the assumptions you have made about him without knowing anything about him. I’m sure you wouldn’t want someone to do the same to you.

      Why did I, his daughter, post a picture of him and I together as my Facebook profile picture after the FBI searched our home? Because I love him. Because I stand by him just as he stood by me on my wedding day. I can also assure you there are plenty of other photos of him in our family albums. We just aren’t the type of family to post our entire lives on the internet for strangers (including you) to see.

      Unfortunately you do not know him personally, otherwise you would know how ridiculous and unfounded your claims are. Fortunately, those who DO know him know how ridiculous your claims are. My father had nothing to do with this murder.

      Please, continue on with your speculation but leave my father’s name out of it. I suggest you find more basis for your claims in the future though instead of suggesting a man is a murderer because he “always” has his hands in his pockets – a “fact” you gathered from the few images you found of him on Facebook.

      Robert, I am not trying to start trouble on your blog. Please delete this comment if necessary and I won’t return. I’m just tired of seeing these type of unfounded remarks regarding my father and I felt it was time to address it.

      • Edie

        Dear Alyx, I hope you return to read my well wishes for your family. The accusations are flying and rampant. It is impossible for the rest of us to know what this has been like for you and your loved ones. I wish you the best.

  2. It’s probably nothing and you can laugh at me if you wish (I’m used to it). I have done a couple of spirit box readings and they are on my blog. There was a consistency on both readings….”old” and “drop it”. I feel these two things are very important and the readings do seem to indicate catfishing.

  3. Alexis

    The property owners name is Ron Logan not Jim Logan.

  4. glen roddel

    Bob please do a follow up as info comes in..Alot of things that you have said well turnout neg. For family and friends and local it will help to know the pos. thank you much Glen

  5. Cindy McLeland


    Obviously Jim has been cleared because he didn’t do it. Did you read the Lafayette Journal and Courier yesterday?

  6. Cindy McLeland

    Excuse me? I was trying to let Catherine know about the article.

    • I am so sorry, Cindy. Some idiot woman came on here and blasted the Hell out of me. I told her off and banned her. Later I deleted her post, but my response stayed up accidentally. It is now coming down too. Just forget about it. It was not directed at you. As far as why I talk like that, I am a pretty incendiary person. But you be nice to me, and I’ll be nice to you.

      I humbly ask for your apology ma’am.

  7. Rita J

    I can’t remember the girl’s name, but she was interviewed by the news and said she was talking or texting the girls right before the attack. They said there was a creepy guy there dressed in black. If there were two guys involved then that would make sense, as the guy in the photo is not in black….

  8. Mer

    Why would the Unsub(s) return the girls to the scene of the abduction? I would think that would be very risky.

    • I don’t get it. It’s so stupid. He moved them from the site. We know that. If he’s smart, he takes them out to some remote area 20 miles away and body dumps like the Evansdale guy did. Instead he returns them to the scene where he knows they will be found. I don’t get it. Does he want to get caught? Is he trying to be the ultimate daredevil.

  9. Pamela Weber

    Very interesting and well written. I do have a question however. I’m confused about the gun being in a holster on his right side and that making him left handed. I’m right handed so I would want a gun in a holster on my right side.

  10. Matt Danely

    So they went there to meet a teenage boy, and met a girl? Makes no sense.

    He was clearly left handed but the gun was on his right side, then you go into detail about how clearly he was left handed because brandishing the gun with his non-dominant hand would have caused him to fumble it around? Again makes no sense. Maybe you should leave this to the professionals as opposed to tarot card readers.

  11. Mer

    We have 2 photos of the unsub, and video and audio from Libby’s phone. Unsub does seem to have a gun, but, I don’t think it’s in a holster. I think it’s in his right side jacket pocket and placed butt first so it is more stable in that pocket. I think he is right handed. Everything else is speculation, and speculation could get us off track.

    • KRisty Cowherd

      Maybe he is ambidextrous. I wouldn’t base a whole lot of trying to identify anyone on that detail in my opinion. idk.

  12. Anna

    Why if there is a possibility that this was an on-line set up or Catfish- don’t they know who arranged it? Surely they had access to all this info almost immediately. Do you still that?

  13. Mer

    I grew up about 20 miles from Delphi, and this horrible crime has affected the whole area. The sick bastard(s) must be found and brought down before they rape and kill again. I do appreciate your insight and knowledge regarding this crime, and LE has been very tight lipped about any details.
    I do believe that the FBI has analyzed the photo, and they are probably the best at photo analysis in the world. I wish they would release a sketch or other findings from any analysis. I find it hard to believe that the girls were removed from the site and returned. Is it possible that they were just missed in the initial search the day of the crime? The only concrete evidence is the girls phone containing photos and audio/video. Have they said that they retrieved DNA? Have they provided any info they gleaned from the photos? When I looked at the pics, I thought that it was a white male, around 40, 5-8 to 5-10, 180 lbs ,not especially muscular, gun in right jacket pocket, hoodie possibly a brown Carrhart, maybe goatee, light brown hair, not sure about the hat, he is looking down because he is walking on a railroad bridge, face a little doughy, something under the jacket, no dirt on his knees. The gun is well outlined in the jacket. semi auto, has a beavertail, probably about a 4 inch barrel–not a compact gun, probably not enough for the FBI to say definitively the make of the gun.
    I do think they should release more info. I think the pics are good enough that someone who knows this asshole could ID him from the photo. I don’t think it’s anyone from Delphi or the immediate area, because he would have been IDd from the photo. One of your posters said the name “Scott” came to her in a psi. Not sure what a psi is, but someone from the area posted on FB that she recognized the guy and thought his name was Raymond or Scott–so that is interesting.
    Let’s all pray and hope they find the person or people responsible and take them alive…..

    • I find it hard to believe that the girls were removed from the site and returned. Is it possible that they were just missed in the initial search the day of the crime?

      Searchers said the area where they were found was absolutely searched the first day.

      The only concrete evidence is the girls phone containing photos and audio/video. Have they said that they retrieved DNA?

      I asked LE about this and they said nothing = no comment.

      Have they provided any info they gleaned from the photos? When I looked at the pics, I thought that it was a white male, around 40, 5-8 to 5-10, 180 lbs.

      Expert on CNN said 5’10, 180.

      not especially muscular, gun in right jacket pocket, hoodie possibly a brown Carrhart, maybe goatee, light brown hair, not sure about the hat, he is looking down because he is walking on a railroad bridge, face a little doughy, something under the jacket, no dirt on his knees. The gun is well outlined in the jacket. semi auto, has a beavertail, probably about a 4 inch barrel–not a compact gun, probably not enough for the FBI to say definitively the make of the gun.

      Of course he has a gun. You can see it in his jacket.

  14. Shawn

    Going on the theory that he is a serial killer and your profile of him. Is it possible that the man lived near the evansdale area when he committed those crimes and then moved near the delphi area within the last five years.

    • I believe he lived or lives close to either Evansdale or Delphi, correct. He’s not in the middle. He’s lives near one and commutes 5-6 hours to do the other one.

      • Mer

        If it is the same people who committed both crimes, then they may live close to Evansdale, and then traveled to Delphi to commit this crime

        • Terri Hillis

          Looks like to me he has on a “bucket” style hat. Small floppy brim(Well worn & washed) either army green, or camo???

  15. linx

    murderer probably is on porn sites and bdsm sites. we are getting people from places close to delphi indiana who are not on registry but they are major perverts. some type of groups have to be breeding these sex perverts. id say murderer could live with parent or gp and cant hold a job. maybe even fake disability. hes trying to always blend in or hide. church group, boy scouts – he has to have some type of ego that he thinks he can con anyone. again he may now just be a loner and only concentrate on rape and murder. can anyone see his shoes? like are they keenes roofing type shoes? people usually dont change shoes. also he is over dress. over weight so he had to be sweating in all the layers. the main thing the killer will read these sites so we dont want to give him any ideas. he knows his hours are limited. so hes only concerned covering up all evidence. but any person who is into bdsm sites and knows him should turn him in. you can bet anyone hides him in anyway they will have their entire useless life on the web as total cowards. those girls did everything right and everyone owes it to come forward with real info.

  16. linx

    id just guess hes between 45 and 50. lives with a grandparent or parent on farm to take care of them. uses internet in their names. could be disabled – like a depression. relatives have him do this care taking as he cant hold a job. he spends his days on porn sites and his addictions are full blown. he really thinks hes above law but they will get him. his facade is caring and calm yet he really is violent. maybe even a non smoker non drinker. yet brutally evil and manipulative.

  17. linx

    someone has to know the murderer. Maybe hes in some type of sadist club and the other people in group are afraid to out him. some one has to come forward… to see that grandfather talk about the girls was unbearable. this grandfather a real man who was teaching kids about baseball and sports. anyone would love to have a father/ grandfather like him. to live through that kind of horror and be able to even talk is a miracle. i think we all look at those girls first as they are the image we have of girls that get to be girls ideally. we block out the murderer. people need to get on comp and zero in on anything that might help. some one may know that hat- carhart. even carharts may have some design where the manufacturer can say that was made in 1960 etc.. people in construction may be steel toes etc. this murder has left trails and people can help. i live 3 states away but still tell people about this crime. i was amazed at how many people hadn’t heard about the case.maybe the murderer shops at good will stores , clothing banks etc thinking they dont have cameras. if hes living with an elderly person he could easily keep papers tv from anyone near him. we know hes got to spend every waking hour trying to erase his life. my first impression looking at him was hes lazy. hates the world because he couldn’t be what he wanted in life. he doesn’t have a degree. hes a know it all but not intelligent. its like he could watch Opera and then say hes a psychiatrist.
    hes a full fledge liar. hes going to be what ever you want him to be as he doesn’t want to get caught. hes not going to rock the boat. he’s the guy who will open all the doors for you but hes not doing anything because he actually cares for people. the hallmark of all these type of killers is manipulation not because their smart. even when you look in their eyes they aren’t in a state of caring compassion. they have a life time of hateful rage and they are going to make some one pay. they do not have a conscience. they don’t care about right or wrong – life is totally about them.
    some how people have to just look at the guy– maybe even get flyers made just of him and put in every out of the way place in that area. even strip clubs to churches that aren’t known by a lot of people. I was totally impressed how the people, police, and media of Delphi and beyond are giving it all they have day in and out. you all should be proud for being the best especially when things are at there worst. this murderer chose a town less than 3000 people. i’m sure he never realized how that little town could get the police force, the people and the money to even do a search. finally im sure the killer will read this and everything he can find. killer- look at that grandfather again. hes everything you are nothing. that grandfather made a change for the better for his family and community. i’d bet that grandpa could mimic Libertys actions and talk on any day. he loved being a father/ grandfather. you killer will never have the love that Liberty and Abby had.
    your going to be in a cell trying to weasel your way out of leaving your cell for what- the one hour every day. please people look at that guy!!!

  18. linx

    killer also has to eat and possibly clean his vehicle. he may try to avoid any camera places but waitress or even car wash employee may notice that killers body posture. killer has to be worried as when you hear and see the local sheriff or police they are totally professional. more over no ego. they would give us info but know the killer is going to use any info he can get. all of those guys in law enforcement know their stuff. they are all on the same page of finding this killer. the police are not stopping – this killer will never have any sleep. as a total outsider i think this is the best i’ve seen on any level to stop a killer.

  19. Ricita

    Assuming that the Delphi and Evansdale cases are related, how were the killer/s able to locate two sets of girls that live near wooded areas? I live in the Midwest and it’s pretty much flatland. There aren’t too many very woodsy areas out here as opposed to states like New York and Pennsylvania. I am under the assumption that the killer/s knew the first set of girls but if Abby and Libby were catfished, did Libby have a lot if scenic pictures on her Instagram account?

  20. Mer

    What about the rumor that it was a relative and was a revenge killing?
    Is it just another rumor, or is their some substance to it?

    • Absolutely not true. Keep in mind that this guy drove hundreds of miles for 5-6 hours to commit one of these crimes. Remember the ISP superintendent said the ISP believed the Delphi killer came from out of state? Well, he was right.

      I believe he was related one of the Evansdale-Delphi victim pairs (maybe related by marriage), but that would not be the not the Delphi pair.

  21. Justin Ward

    Robert would you mind sending me an email at justi38879@aol.com

    I have something I’d like to share with you that I also shared with LE. I was recently contact by a stranger via social media and it was very wry regarding the case.



  22. Dimples

    So have they looked into the property owner’s son? Ron said his son is around 50 and knows the woods very well. He also would have known his dad was not home, most likely. Might be a crazy accusation but maybe worth looking into at least

  23. linx

    2 Colorado Springs Co teens murdered— note the bridge.
    murder maybe some type of truck driver.

  24. Bobbi Nichols

    it is probably the landowners sons

  25. Bunny

    Thanks Robert for your work. I find it very interesting.

  26. audrey smith

    Looking at the photo of the suspect gave me chills. I am a 23 yr old female that often gets told I look 18 at the most and I’m 5’6″ and 180 lbs. My husband and I were staying at the Pear Tree Hotel on March 24th 2017 in Terre Haute, and I went out to the car to grab some bags, while he stayed in the room with our baby.

    It was about 1:00am when I noticed a man standing by a white truck that looks like it was used for utility work. It was a busy night at the hotel, and I had my pit bull with me, so I figured I was safe. I stop by the door facing the Drury Hotel (spell check) to have a quick smoke.

    I bullshit you not, I look to my left for a couple moments and by the time I look over to my left this man, who was across the damn parking lot, was now about 5 car lengths ahead of me. The look on his face and his body language told me to run. He was smiling at me and was kind of looking downward. His smile screamed intentions to harm me. He didn’t care about the big dog I had with me and was walking quickly.

    I flung open that hotel door so quick and ran to the front desk to have them call the police. They said since he didn’t say anything to me or harm me that nothing could be done. He was gone by the time they arrived. I’ve been trying to tell myself for days that maybe I overreacted, but after I saw the picture of him, I instantly cried and called Indiana State Police. The man I saw that night was wearing almost the exact same outfit and was approaching me with his hand in his pocket THE EXACT SAME WAY.

    There is no doubt in my mind that this was the man that hurt those young ladies, and he had similar intentions for me that night. This guy needs to be caught because he is definitely still out looking for victims. Sorry for the long post, but I had to let out my experience with this man.

    • audrey smith

      Please excuse all typos. My mind is a wreck.

    • Hey great news. Did you call it in? How old was he do you estimate?

      • audrey smith

        I did call both the police on the night in question and this evening as soon as I saw the picture. He looked like he was in his early 50’s. I

        • Kimby

          Audrey… you should trust your instincts on this one. The police are stating that they need help to solve this, seems they’re not going to get this guy without help. If this man was registered at either of the hotels that would at least give LE a short list of names.

          I hope you stay on LE to follow up on this: if they can find the guy while this incident is still fresh in your mind you could ID him and they could cook up some reason to get a DNA sample.

          It sounds to me like you’ve got good recall and sense of this guy right now… maybe you could stop by the command center in Delphi and ask them to please check those hotel registries and find the guy who tried to corner you in the parking lot.

          The families of these girls would sure appreciate it, as would the rest of the public! 🙂

  27. Stephanie Figuerado

    why is nobody commenting on the little white puppy he has in a carrier in his jacket??? Doesn’t everyone know this guy with a little white dog???

  28. Emily

    Hello, I was wondering if you had any thoughts as to if this could be a serial killer case? I know about a week ago there were some attempted abductions at IU, and today the body of a college girl in Evansville was found. I’m currently a college student in Evansville, and the rumors have been spreading like crazy that all of these cases are connected. Any ideas?

    • Jen

      I don’t know about the body being found in Evansville but the two attempted abductions at IU were separate events and neither suspect’s descriptions matched the Delphi killer’s profile. One was a black male in his late 20s and the other was 3 white males in their early 20s. The Delphi killer could still definitely be serial though. Did the Terre haute incident ever get reported directly to the Delphi call center? I hope they took it seriously and followed up on it.

      • audrey smith

        I definitely called the Indiana state police about it and called the hotel I stayed at to follow up. The hotel said he was no where to be found by the time the police got there and to be honest I don’t think the hotel had security cameras outside so unfortunately there is nothing they can do. I think he might have known about the lack of cameras and that’s why he chose that location but that’s just my speculation. I would absolutely be able to identify him if he was found. His image will remain burned into my head.

        • Jen

          That is terrifying that he is still freely roaming the streets and obviously knows how to not get caught. I can’t believe he’s getting away with this.

        • Jen

          I wonder if you could get someone to draw a more detailed sketch of his face that could be shown to police since the photo is so blurry and hard to identify?

  29. John

    I believe there is only one suspect. He is an opportunist who is still at large and is local. He has a family and is a loner with a steady job. Police should focus on sexually motivated crimes committed in a 25 mile radius within the last 5 years. This should include Peeping Tom cases. He has now graduated to rape & murder. He will try this again. You must find him. Familial DNA testing against the CODIS Database could possibly hit on a family member who is or has been incarcerated leading to the identity of the suspect. Other private DNA tests could reveal eye & hair color. Do whatever it takes to find this person before he strikes again.

    • Thanks John. You are welcome to read all the free posts on the Delphi case for background, but all the action right now has moved over to the private password-protected threats. It’s red hot in there right now.

    • Kim2

      John. Do you have a particular poi in mind?

      • John

        If I did I’d be the first one to the police. I do feel the guy acted alone and is a loner between 45 & 55.

        Look up “occam’s razor”…. The Simplest Answer is usually the right one. This case should not be made over complicated, the suspect is more than likely hiding in plain view.

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