Alt Left on the Net: Someone Gets Us Right

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A: Ugh. Yes. And don’t even get me started on the motherfuckers who are glad Trump won because they think if it REALLY gets worse, people will rise up and there will be a revolution. But not this “incremental progress” pussy bullshit.

A REAL revolution. You know, the kind that makes their dicks hard.

They are almost always straight white dudes.

How very brave of them to sacrifice thei- er, I mean, minorities’ well-being in the name of The Revolution.

Good luck getting any Muslims, POC, LGBT+ people and women to march with you backstabbing assholes. They’ll all be too busy trying to stay the fuck alive, healthy and functional in this incoming hellscape you’ve voted them into. Or not voted, as it were.

In any case, fuck all the way off, get your head out of your ass, start fucking LISTENING for a change, then get *off* your ass and then maybe you’ll be forgiven.

B: Yeah, that ideology is called “accelerationism” and it’s a hackneyed idea from Marxism. It is literally a Bolshevik ideology: “the worse, the better.” It yielded Stalin. Can’t believe this idea has adherents in the 21st Century.

You are dead right that it’s an irrational form of machismo rather than a legit program of change. It’s a Che Guevara t-shirt, not a plan.

In 100-plus years, Marxism has literally accomplished next-to-nothing in America except a presidential assassination and a few cushy academic jobs for its more bougie adherents. By contrast, the Civil Rights movement (and its offspring, women’s liberation and gay liberation) has accomplished quite a bit. But the masculinist, so-called “alt left” wants to put those folks’ concerns in 2nd place and run a fantasy cosplay class-based “revolution” centering white men who love Fight Club. Or, in the case of the older guys, their fantasy is a 1930s/1940s WPA mural come to life … with Jim Crow and Japanese-American internment camps just out of the frame.

The more fact-based and sanity-based model of political change in modern democracy is the Overton Window. I pray we still have a modern democracy in which to apply it.

This comment here:

But the masculinist, so-called “alt left” wants to put those folks’ concerns in 2nd place and run a fantasy cosplay class-based “revolution” centering white men who love Fight Club. Or, in the case of the older guys, their fantasy is a 1930s/1940s WPA mural come to life … with Jim Crow and Japanese-American internment camps just out of the frame.

Describes us very well. Almost perfectly in fact. The Alt Left are not much MRA’s as masculinists. But then we are feminists too in a sense. Masculinists as in equal rights for men, and feminism as in equal rights for women. Surely there was a patriarchy in the past, but the Alt Left doubts that is extant much anymore and in some ways, we now have a matriarchy as the women and their wuss/White knight/Captain Save-A-Ho/male feminist allies rule society in some respects and they use their rule to attack men. In that sense, in some ways, men are an oppressed class nowadays being abused by an oppressive Matriarchy.

So we are brocialists or even ultra-brocialists. That does not mean so much that we are sexist pigs but more that we are ordinary guys, regular, normal guys who act like normal masculine heterosexual men. The Alt Left is “socialism for the regular guy.”

The part about the Alt Left being a 1930’s WPA mural come to life and that this model is being pushed by some of the older Alt Left men, is completely right on. This is absolutely what we are pushing. I do not know about any other older Alt Left men, but I am an older Alt Left man and this is indeed my vision.

It’s seldom that anyone on the Net gets us right.

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32 responses to “Alt Left on the Net: Someone Gets Us Right

  1. “Or, in the case of the older guys, their fantasy is a 1930s/1940s WPA mural come to life … with Jim Crow and Japanese-American internment camps just out of the frame.”

    I guess the point is that it’s a very quixotic goal to push for, but at the same time these types on one hand push for a world without discrimination yet describe it as an enduring plague.

    And seeing how discrimination is noted by these “older types” in their fantasy, it really comes off as them arbitrarily not liking the traditional values held by whites that didn’t cross those boundaries. This basically proves my point.

    https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/an-opposing-view-no-the-alt-left-should-not-ally-with-pcsjw-left/#comment-289657

    • Mike

      By traditional values if you means lynchings in the public, taking law in hands and going around pillaging, then it might seem to you that these guys arenr liking the traditional “white” values

      • “By traditional values if you means lynchings in the public, taking law in hands and going around pillaging, then it might seem to you that these guys arenr liking the traditional “white” values”

        Reread what the article said and what I said.

        “ ‘Or, in the case of the older guys, their fantasy is a 1930s/1940s WPA mural come to life … with Jim Crow and Japanese-American internment camps just out of the frame

        http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/british/out-of-the-frame

        ……”And seeing how discrimination is noted by these “older types” in their fantasy, it really comes off as them arbitrarily not liking the traditional values held by whites that didn’t cross those boundaries. This basically proves my point..”

        • Juanny Boy

          On (economic) discrimination obviously the problem mainly rests with NAMs.

          Other groups like Asians, Jews, MEs, Cubans, etc. can essentially have a ‘healthy’ representation in industries and can hence lift up each generation of their people. This is similar to what the Jews did ca. 1900-1970.

          With NAMs, without affirmative action, there won’t be suitable representation. Hence, any ‘worthy’ NAM is going to be fighting the tide of the nepotism of the ethnicities mentioned above.

          In this day and age there basically is no tribalism for most Whites (except ‘ethnics’ like Greeks, Italians, Cubans, etc.) this is greatly to the benefit of NAMs trying to work their way up.

          If WASPs begin to practice tribalism, it’s going to get nasty.
          A group which controls 93% of the wealth suddenly starting ‘self advocation’ means a road to RSA.

        • Juanny Boy

          PHIL for the record I draw the line at repealing the ‘core’ of the Civil Rights act (excluding busing and affirmative action). There does need to be accountability in hiring, and the states must be accountability to the Fed.
          I am not happy about Jeff Sessions.

        • To Jb, of course I understand those sentiments.

          My issue is confounding values with institutions, as I’ve shown to Mike.

          As for the AA, my main issue is when representation clashes with efficiency. See JewAmongYou for examples.

          Really this could be solved with tighter analysis on credentials validity and performance history as opposed to getting rid of it all together.

        • Juanny Boy

          PHIL
          Point is we need to keep anti discrimination laws or else there will be no competent Blacks at all rising to the top.

          Economic motivations are not the only motivations of employers, genetic motivations are there too. This is what libertarians forget, and it is understandable in a society where the ‘hegemony’ is race neutered.

          But I am not convinced this is sustainable. The NAACP, La Raza, etc. need to come up with a plausible game plan going forward.

        • Juanny Boy

          PHIL affirmative action has become a dirty word and concept.

          I doubt LBJ would recognize what it turned into.
          quotas were never the plan, ever.

        • “Point is we need to keep anti discrimination laws or else there will be no competent Blacks at all rising to the top.”

          I understood from the beginning, I just wanted to clarify that amendments to it’s modern application would be a better compromise than to starkly get rid of it as you point out from others points of view.

          “Economic motivations are not the only motivations of employers, genetic motivations are there too. This is what libertarians forget, and it is understandable in a society where the ‘hegemony’ is race neutered.”

          Yeah, that’s sort of naive of their thinking that I noticed when I first talked to one.

          The funny thing about certain un-PC factions is that they are just really non-mainstream, a prime example is either blaming ethnic tensions in general on Jews or identity politics, and it would be paradise without them.

          This kind of thinking taints their other ideas, but that’ another day.

          “But I am not convinced this is sustainable. The NAACP, La Raza, etc. need to come up with a plausible game plan going forward.”

          Sadly I’m convinced if that crosses even their modern interests with dealing with minority inequality.

        • Juanny Boy

          Yes, identity politics can’t just be ‘done away with’.

          The Civil Rights act did wonders for Southern and Eastern Europeans in America because the hatred from NW Euros turned towards NAMs. Some of this would undoubtedly return. As I’ve said before I know some upper-middle class German Americans from a ritzy Baltimore ‘burb that see Italians in Little Italy as not much above NAMs.

          They prefer the company of an East Indian-Black Caribbean family as opposed to Italians.

        • “They prefer the company of an East Indian-Black Caribbean family as opposed to Italians.”

          Both sadly and obviously it’s the familiarity of Northern European culture at least with the Caribbeans. European immigrants in the North were even viewed less than assimilated blacks, I remember reading so in a W.E.B Du Bois’ biography when he played with other kids.

        • Juanny Boy

          Well in fairness S & E Euro groups had mobs and were pretty dysfunctional in the early days. Black/part-Black
          Caribbean immigrants seemed to be fairly sharp (Malcolm X, Farrakhan, Gwen Ifill, Mia Love, etc.)

        • That goes to another thing which bothers me, that being Southern Europeans, particularly Sicily and Portugal, being “non european” implied by calling them “non white” for their skin.

          Sure, they are probably different in respects to Other in regards to culture and crime but honestly comparing them to the type of migrants like from Syria or Blacks as many do it outrageous.

        • I agree, the mov didn’t help. Ironically, the old feudal system that contributed to modern Mafia culture has it’s roots to being instituted during Norman occupied Sicily.

        • I meant to say “the Mob didn’t help”. BTW I was curious where stormfront was on the matter to get a better idea on where Italians stand in terms of “whiteness”, but it’s better than I thought.

          https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t820853-5/

        • Juanny Boy

          Well, most Sicilians seem White enough to me, but I’ve grown up around a lot of Italians so I may be biased as opposed to someone from a Polish neighborhood like TRASH.
          There are occasionally Sicilians that would ‘look normal in a hijab’ as TRASH said.
          But I also knew a half-Sicilian girl with blonde hair.

          In a hybridized population (North African and native Sicilian/European) there will be some diversity in phenotype, I suppose.

        • Juanny Boy

          and keep in mind if the hybridization is pre-historic it’s not really comparable. It’s like comparing a Dalit to an Abo, it just doesn’t quite work.
          Arabs are said to really only have IQs drastically lower than Whites because of Black ancestry and in-breeding.

          Otherwise there would be virtually a negligible IQ difference between them and Meds (like between Nords and regular Meds)

      • Also, seeing how Robert agrees with such a vision, what are you implying he is then?

  2. Jason Y

    Some aspects of the alt-left are fine and understandable, but others border on a dickhead mentality. I don’t think such an attitude is the feelings of normal men, but rather alpha assholes. For instance, take fat shaming. I’ve actually seen women’s photos before and after photos on diet websites and the before picture was better.

  3. PHIL

    Sicilians have considerable Phoenician and Saracen blood. I am not sure where this puts them in terms of whiteness.

    • Well actually most of the non-european admixture is North African, They however share common ancestry with Levantine populations from neolithic times.

      • Saracen Arabs invaded Sicily from Carthage in the days of Hannibal. That was not Neolithic. Phoenicians were Lebanese sailors who I think colonized Sicily at one time. This was not Neolithic either.

  4. JUANNY BOY

    I’m not sure if racism is actually the reason that German-Americans from the suburbs might prefer to avoid Italians. More like not being in the middle of trouble at a bar like “Crazy Horse” in the Sopranos.

    If you hang around a rough East Coast Italian neighborhood long enough you are going to meet “street guys”.

    Probably I would prefer the company of a Nigerian professor of mathematics.

  5. Tulio

    I think I’m just going to stick to the mainstream progressive left until the alt-left finds itself. Some of them seem reasonable, but then you see quackery like Trump supporters and racists. I don’t think it’s yet evolved into a movement that I’d wear on my shirt sleeve. For now, guys like Robert Reich, Cenk Uygar, Bill Maher and even Sam Harris(who is closer to a realist) speak for me.

    • Jason Y

      Harris was also claiming Christian Europeans once had a barbaric mentality like Muslims, but only grew out of it in the last century.

    • Juanny Boy

      Bill Maher said last year that “Trump voters didn’t have real problems” talking much like an out of touch coastal elite.

      His only alt-left moments are in bashing Islam, which is not an honest concern for western culture. It is the product of (((ulterior motives)))

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