Only White People Have Blue Eyes

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I guess all these people must be White then. But…but…wait a minute…um….uh….erm…duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Only Europeans have blue eyes only Europeans are White hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..

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25 responses to “Only White People Have Blue Eyes

  1. They are all indo-europeans.

  2. Mr. Frosty

    It means they have the same common (Aryan) ancestors as modern Europeans. Anthropology 101

  3. A. Rai Bacchan isn’t Blue Eyed,her eyes are brown.She uses special colored contact lenses since before she was famous.

  4. Cocorico

    I never heard somebody say that. You are making fun of an almost non-existent group of persons.

  5. A lot of Levantine Arabs do to. The United States Census still classifies all Arabs as white, something which they lobbied for as a clever way to evade the Chinese Exclusion Act and Gentleman’s Agreement.

  6. buusra

    If Iranians and any other middle easterns or even far-easterns ever have blue eyes, it is only due to the fact that they have mixed with ethnic turks who had ruled those regions for considerably long times

  7. buusra

    Mind you, today there are more than 35 million azeri turks in Iran, almost same amounts in northern India, Pakistan and Afghanistan as well as all the way through northern China and Mongolia including eastern Turkistan. No need to mention the turkic ethnicity living on in Russian federation

    • That tells us their Practices, not their genetics.

      BTW, as for your assertion that Turkish Ancestry contributed the Blue eyes as opposed to Aryan or Indo European ancestry then explain Why Kurds, and Indo-European people, who are genetically Further from Turks and Armenians also have Blue eyes?

      http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/are-turks-acculturated-armenians/#.WHdtr8MrLnB

      Further more, seeing how Europe has the most Blue eyes and we know the frequencies comes from older populations such as Aryans, why that could not be the Source for Indians and other Indo-Aryan People?

      • buusra

        ”That tells us their Practices, not their genetics.”
        Well, that is the kind of phrase that I would never use when replying to an argument. It sounds weird and ignorant. Genetics takes you back to your origins, practices are skin-deep. Genetic shopping through mixed marriages during centuries doesnt make a nation what they partially look like! Also, people can write anything according to their wishes, so I don’t trust this kind of one-sided, biased writings. We need research!

        You want to believe to this baseless ‘indo-european’ thing, whatever it is, because you want to stay away ‘turkish roots’ as much as possible, that’s why you claim that ”Kurds, and Indo-European people, who are genetically Further from Turks and Armenians also have Blue eyes”.

        This case is out of question without accepting the existence of Cuman/Oguz (primal blue-eyed, flaxen-haired turkish clans) in those regions. They mixed with those above mentioned Middle-eastern people and contributed to their genetics with pale skin, blue-green eye. What is more, turks contributed it not only to kurds, armenians and greeks but also to arabs as well (at the time of Karluk and Ottoman empire via Cumans and Cherkess)

      • “Well, that is the kind of phrase that I would never use when replying to an argument. It sounds weird and ignorant. Genetics takes you back to your origins, practices are skin-deep. Genetic shopping through mixed marriages during centuries doesnt make a nation what they partially look like!
        My point is that you are talking about Turkish people in These Countries. My point with Genetics is that it just talking about their Language alone doesn’t reflect their actual genetic heritage as I’ve pointed out with the Turco-Mongols for instance.

        Another reason I brought up genetics is an indicator of how much these Turkish individuals mixed with these other places as you claimed.

        “Also, people can write anything according to their wishes, so I don’t trust this kind of one-sided, biased writings. We need research!”

        I gave research, so what do you actual prefer as to actually establish the source if we are to determine how blues eyes got there?

        I’m one sided? Says the person who thinks that the only non-European Caucasian group to have Blue eyes are Turks and that other ones are Turkish mixed.

        “You want to believe to this baseless ‘indo-european’ thing, whatever it is, because you want to stay away ‘turkish roots’ as much as possible, that’s why you claim that ”Kurds, and Indo-European people, who are genetically Further from Turks and Armenians also have Blue eyes”.

        Why are Turkish roots even relevant to begin with when this is talking about Blue eyes in Caucasian populations?

        My point with Kurds, if you even bother to look up basic info, are a indo-european descent group who live near Turkish populations though show genetic divergence.

        Look at their language and you’ll see my point.

        Due to ethnic conflict, they are unlikely to mix yet Blue eyes exist. That was my point with Kurds.

        Go ahead, debunk the existance of a Indo-Aryan/Indo European group.

        “This case is out of question without accepting the existence of Cuman/Oguz (primal blue-eyed, flaxen-haired turkish clans) in those regions. They mixed with those above mentioned Middle-eastern people and contributed to their genetics with pale skin, blue-green eye. What is more, turks contributed it not only to kurds, armenians and greeks but also to arabs as well (at the time of Karluk and Ottoman empire via Cumans and Cherkess).”

        Again, Proof? I gave info on Kurds showing that not to be the case of being the origin source of such features in their populations.

        You provided no sources so far.

      • buusra

        Let me give you some other, most likely more reliable examples my dear, as I am the one who has been living on this bloody land and having encounters with those people more than you can imagine:

        http://galeri.uludagsozluk.com/r/birinci-geleneksel-en-g%C3%BCzel-k%C3%BCrt-erke%C4%9Fi-yar%C4%B1%C5%9Fmas%C4%B1-611827/

        You may not understand the words but you will understand the phenotype of the kurdish (they belong to Persian family, or so-called Indo-european family, so apparently you have the same typology with them. Enjoy it.

        One last word; don’t be biased to cliche and don’t be superficial. Start searching for the new, because an enourmous revolution in the history is approaching! I have recently started my doctoral studies in turkish history and I can tell you that you will be more than surprised very soon. The truth is far beyond what you want it to be, so learn to look at the things from a very different point of view, namely from the reverse side

        • “Let me give you some other, most likely more reliable examples my dear, as I am the one who has been living on this bloody land and having encounters with those people more than you can imagine:

          http://galeri.uludagsozluk.com/r/birinci-geleneksel-en-g%C3%BCzel-k%C3%BCrt-erke%C4%9Fi-yar%C4%B1%C5%9Fmas%C4%B1-611827/

          Yet that alone doesn’t prove anything as

          A. My source on Kurdish Phenotypes made it clear that they had different looks

          B. One of my sources on Aryans said many were dark with dark eyes

          C. You just gave one? I could do the same with Turks and use a Brown eyed, dark skin one myself.

          “You may not understand the words but you will understand the phenotype of the kurdish (they belong to Persian family, or so-called Indo-european family, so apparently you have the same typology with them. Enjoy it.”

          See my points above.

          “One last word; don’t be biased to cliche and don’t be superficial. Start searching for the new, because an enourmous revolution in the history is approaching!”

          I have used sources on genetics and History, you just gave one that alone proved squat.

          You trying to paint me as Ignorant? You are the one trying to say only ethnic Turks can have Blue eyes outside of Europe despite science disagreeing.

          You can’t pull bias on me as I’m not even predominately of IE IE descent, I’m Black.

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/10/26/a-guide-for-minorities-for-exploring-racial-differences-by-phil/

          See this and my other articles on Africa

          ” I have recently started my doctoral studies in turkish history and I can tell you that you will be more than surprised very soon. The truth is far beyond what you want it to be, so learn to look at the things from a very different point of view, namely from the reverse side.”

          Then give me a scholarly source supporting your claims on Blue eyes in these Non-Turkic regions.

        • LOL a Turkish ultranationalist on the board. All of you people are insane, every one of you. I am starting to think that Pan-Turkicism is some sort of a mental illness.

        • buusra

          LOL, who isn’t?? Of course I am a turkish nationalist but I am not ultranationalist compared to the ultra-ultranationalists of today’s Europeans and Americans! I cannot be half they are!

          If you are that clever enough, you will start thinking not only Pan-Turkicism but all sort of Pan-Whateverism is a kind of mental illness .. I don’t know whom you are aiming with your mean words at but I am not talking about pan-turkicism at all, instead I am talking about truth of turkish roots, genetics and the truth of middle-eastern people about whom you have no idea.. You only talk nonsense from a distance, come and start researching as I do now, if you dare..

          As far as I see you americans start trying to insult people when you cannot find anything scientific or meaningful to say. That is something really disappointing.. You can live on by your sweet cliches and stereotypes my dear, I will not bother to write reply to anything you write from this time on as you literally do not listen or read, nor follow new research. I will go on with my doctorate and start publishing my research results (in english as well), like the other new-generation academics. But I doubt that you will ever read them or take them into consideration since apparently you prefer to stick to the out-of time lullabies of western imposition

          I have a few words for Phil, my lovely counter-writer (at least he is kind), then I am off. You can enjoy yourselves here listening and thinking only one-way, as you always do. You have no tolerance for new and different thoughts and findings, but you will remember me some time in the future, keep this in mind..

          Bye

  8. buusra

    Unfortunately, my dear, so far there is only a handful of english-written scientific publications on this area, guess why?? Can it be because western people have stuck to what they want to believe and ignore the other research? How about prejudices? I don’t think that you will ever find a good translation of research and publication about these topics but I will give you some sources anyway:

    Prof.Thor Heyerdahl – Quest for Odin
    Prof.Sven Lagerbring – The Turkish roots of Swedes
    Prof. Osman Karatay – The origin of the Turks, Iran & Turan, Turkish History in Eastern Europe
    Murad Adjiev – Kipchacks (Cumans)
    Sofi-Trem Semenova – Huns, Our ancestors
    Snorre Sturlesson – Edda (about roots of Odin and Vikings)
    Abdullah Gürgün – Turkish ancestors of Scandinavians
    Turgay Kürüm – How to read
    ….. there are more, but unfortunately not in english:(

    I don’t wanna give the links of one-sided explanations or photographs, they are so easy to find and they mean nothing to me. Still I will give you the photos of some photos from Pomaks and Yoruks (real ethnic turks still nomadic and live in the mountains during summer session) and some turkish stars:
    https://twitter.com/hashtag/sar%C4%B1ke%C3%A7ili

    http://timeoutbursa.blogspot.com.tr/2012/04/mavi-gozlu-sarsn-turkler-pomaklar.html
    https://t24.com.tr/haber/atalarimiz-sarisin-miydi-sarisinlarin-nesli-tukeniyor-mu,276494
    (The news are about blonde turks)
    … more & more..

    Actually we are the living evidence of what I have written here so far, so I don’t need anybody’s confirmation. I am also pale with blonde hair and many turks around me are like me. We haven’t mixed with europeans or any other christian people, it is quite a very rare situation in turkey. Turkish people tend to mix with middle-eastern people more due to religion (arabs, kurds, iranians etc) but this is also diminishing.

    So, if we stop getting married with middle-easterns, you will see how turks will be like after two generations!

    What suprises me is that you, being a black, you attack on turks recklessly without knowing much about them like some white americans who are very biased. This is very sad and disappointing. I wish it would be the other way around

    • “Unfortunately, my dear, so far there is only a handful of english-written scientific publications on this area, guess why?? Can it be because western people have stuck to what they want to believe and ignore the other research? How about prejudices? I don’t think that you will ever find a good translation of research and publication about these topics but I will give you some sources anyway:

      Prof.Thor Heyerdahl – Quest for Odin
      Prof.Sven Lagerbring – The Turkish roots of Swedes
      Prof. Osman Karatay – The origin of the Turks, Iran & Turan, Turkish History in Eastern Europe
      Murad Adjiev – Kipchacks (Cumans)
      Sofi-Trem Semenova – Huns, Our ancestors
      Snorre Sturlesson – Edda (about roots of Odin and Vikings)
      Abdullah Gürgün – Turkish ancestors of Scandinavians
      Turgay Kürüm – How to read
      ….. there are more, but unfortunately not in english:(

      I don’t wanna give the links of one-sided explanations or photographs, they are so easy to find and they mean nothing to me. Still I will give you the photos of some photos from Pomaks and Yoruks (real ethnic turks still nomadic and live in the mountains during summer session) and some turkish stars:
      https://twitter.com/hashtag/sar%C4%B1ke%C3%A7ili

      http://timeoutbursa.blogspot.com.tr/2012/04/mavi-gozlu-sarsn-turkler-pomaklar.html
      https://t24.com.tr/haber/atalarimiz-sarisin-miydi-sarisinlarin-nesli-tukeniyor-mu,276494
      (The news are about blonde turks)
      … more & more..”

      One, Pomak genetics tell otherwise on their overall genetic adherence

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomaks#Genetic_origins

      Second Yoruks aren’t unsually as I never said Turks couldn’t look like that without European ancestry.

      http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/are-turks-acculturated-armenians/#.WHexN4grLnA

      Seeing how they cluster genetic with Armenians, and that the Armenian physical type allows for light features.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race

      My point is where is that you are biased in assuming that Blue eyes in non european populations that are Caucasian must be mixed with Turks.

      “Actually we are the living evidence of what I have written here so far, so I don’t need anybody’s confirmation.”

      All you proved was that Turks could have light skin and other features, not that they are the actual source of such in other populations.

      “I am also pale with blonde hair and many turks around me are like me. We haven’t mixed with europeans or any other christian people, it is quite a very rare situation in turkey. Turkish people tend to mix with middle-eastern people more due to religion (arabs, kurds, iranians etc) but this is also diminishing.

      So, if we stop getting married with middle-easterns, you will see how turks will be like after two generations!”

      So dark skin Turks of Turkey aren’t real Turks? That sort of hard to say seeing how Turkish people of Anatolia general are related to Armenians if you reread my link.

      “What suprises me is that you, being a black, you attack on turks recklessly without knowing much about them like some white americans who are very biased. This is very sad and disappointing. I wish it would be the other way around.”

      Where did I attack Turks? My point was how your “Turkocentrism” was preposterous on top of accusing the west of Bias against Turks when the info I gave was respecting the traits of others by common ancestry of ancient populations explaining blue eyes (Turks likely receiving it from Neolithic population that many Caucasians share while Indo-European speakers likely got it their MODERN frequencies from Indo-europeans) rather than saying “this group did this to that group”.

      You taking that as “an assault on turks” is more proof of your bias rather than mine.

      “addition: Turgay Kürüm – How to read Runic handwriting on monoliths in Scandinavia
      .. and please remember the scientist who decoded the runes on Gokturk monuments in central Asia was Wilhelm Thomsen of Denmark, with the help of scandinavian runes. He knew what he was doing..”

      http://www.omniglot.com/writing/orkhon.htm

      From the article- “Because of a superficial resemblance to the Runic alphabet, the alphabet is also known as Orkhon or Turkic runes. This resemblance is probably a result of the writing materials used – most inscriptions are in hard surfaces, such as stone or wood, and curved lines are difficult to inscribe in such surfaces.”

      This is supported by how the Orkahn Script is younger than the Runes (8th century versus 2nd century) so in that case you would suggest that Europeans did mixed with Turks.

      I’m not saying they did, that just shows your inconsistency with your suggestion.

  9. buusra

    addition: Turgay Kürüm – How to read Runic handwriting on monoliths in Scandinavia
    .. and please remember the scientist who decoded the runes on Gokturk monuments in central Asia was Wilhelm Thomsen of Denmark, with the help of scandinavian runes. He knew what he was doing..

    • I took a look at your sources.

      Lagerbring was just one person in the young field of archaelogy and believe me ALOT of theories existed back then that are discarded today, so you relying on him proves nothing.

      This is heighten by the fact that no genetic link actually exist with Modern Swedes and Turks.

      The Odin Hypothesis was based on the original people of THe Asia Minor area, when Turks entered there only since the middle ages from central asia.

      With these two alone, a vain connection with Turks is inconsistent. With my experience, I can point ton similar theories of Afrocentrics regarding this same topic but with Blacks and use of sources as well. When rejected, they would claim as you do of “white man bias”, but does that make it true?

  10. buusra

    Dearest Phil,

    I might be a little too defensive, true, but you need to understand that everybody is writing something-relevant or irrelevant-about turks and I am sick of it. There has always been a kind of lynch campaign against turks and I try to say no against all the lies and bullshitting going on about them. This is the result of knowing very little about turks and turkish migration, but what is worse, people do not want to listen or learn more about them. They are happy with all those cliche. But as you might understand, I am not scared of anything or anybody, and I will always be like this; speaking my mind, the truth and going on with my research all the time.

    So you seem to trust to internet sources a lot. You share links of internet sources but I can tell you that in this case, I can write anything I want in the way I wish and post it somewhere on the internet or offer it on an internet site. Does it make it true?

    You do not accept my sources, not even Sven Lagerbring, who is not an archeologist but the founder of Swedish history department in Sweden. Let’s not accept all other old or ancient sources like Herodotos and Ptolomeus then. Lagerbring is an enourmous researcher and he is beyond his time in that he looks different places to learn; this is some qualification that we cannot find with many western people today.

    I am by no means inconsistent with my suggestions, you are looking at wrong places and sources only. I know that you will not read it but I will recommend you other books on Turkish alphabet and writings. Turkish runes & texts carved on stone and monuments throughout Eurasia dates back to at least first or second century BC:

    Sofi Trem-Semenova- Huns, our ancestors
    Ahmet Taşağıl – Children of Gök Tengri
    Anatolia, Home to the Turkish – Gökçe Fırat
    The Sumer – Muazzez Ilmiye Çığ (Sumer takes it further back to 3000 BC)

    Anyway, if the resemblance between Turkish and Scandinavian runes is superficial (!), like they want it to be, how did Thomsen manage to decode them? Via some kind of revelation? Hmm, that would be a very scientific explanation.

    People reflect things only from hearsay. When I say biased, I don’t target you actually; what I try to mean is people follow the words of only one point of view and give no chance to the others. Regarding you, whatever source I provide you, you say no and it frustrates me, so I have decided to stop this conversation at this point. However I have some final words:

    ”With my experience, I can point ton similar theories of Afrocentrics regarding this same topic but with Blacks and use of sources as well. When rejected, they would claim as you do of “white man bias”, but does that make it true?”
    You seem to accept the rejection of whites on certain issues but I don’t. You know why? Because I don’t believe that their judgement are fair and valid.. and they are literally out of time.

    Also my little advise: Never ever say ”you are not turkish” to a Pomak if you meet them by any chance; they would certainly beat you up! They are real and genuine Turks and they know it, they are proud of it!

    This is me and I will always be standing by what I write and claim.
    Bye,

    • “Dearest Phil,

      I might be a little too defensive, true, but you need to understand that everybody is writing something-relevant or irrelevant-about turks and I am sick of it. There has always been a kind of lynch campaign against turks and I try to say no against all the lies and bullshitting going on about them. This is the result of knowing very little about turks and turkish migration, but what is worse, people do not want to listen or learn more about them. They are happy with all those cliche. But as you might understand, I am not scared of anything or anybody, and I will always be like this; speaking my mind, the truth and going on with my research all the time.”

      Well in that case I apologize if it seemed that I was attacking your culture.

      “So you seem to trust to internet sources a lot. You share links of internet sources but I can tell you that in this case, I can write anything I want in the way I wish and post it somewhere on the internet or offer it on an internet site. Does it make it true?”

      While you have a point, the reason I don’t is because of a reason, centrism. My posts and sources doesn’t use centrism which an obvious bias and often such motivation and sources are inconsistent with info by non centric sources.

      Trust me, I do this with Whites (celtocentrism) https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/can-ancient-egyptians-be-classified-as-caucasian/#comment-254866

      And Blacks https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-birth-of-the-caucasian-race/#comment-271432

      So if I were to trust my experience, if people make assertions based on a form of nationalism for a culture or race then I’m going to be weary.

      “You do not accept my sources, not even Sven Lagerbring, who is not an archeologist but the founder of Swedish history department in Sweden. Let’s not accept all other old or ancient sources like Herodotos and Ptolomeus then. Lagerbring is an enourmous researcher and he is beyond his time in that he looks different places to learn; this is some qualification that we cannot find with many western people today.”

      But you don’t understand, that kind of appeal is authority, not empirical. We trust Herodotus and Ptolemy because they were their with with observartion, Sven wasn’t with his assertion on Turks.

      Second, a better analogy would be with Aristotle because, as fundamental his wisdom was, on many scientific ideas he was wrong by modern verification.

      “I am by no means inconsistent with my suggestions, you are looking at wrong places and sources only. I know that you will not read it but I will recommend you other books on Turkish alphabet and writings. Turkish runes & texts carved on stone and monuments throughout Eurasia dates back to at least first or second century BC:

      Sofi Trem-Semenova- Huns, our ancestors
      Ahmet Taşağıl – Children of Gök Tengri
      Anatolia, Home to the Turkish – Gökçe Fırat
      The Sumer – Muazzez Ilmiye Çığ (Sumer takes it further back to 3000 BC)

      Anyway, if the resemblance between Turkish and Scandinavian runes is superficial (!), like they want it to be, how did Thomsen manage to decode them? Via some kind of revelation? Hmm, that would be a very scientific explanation.”

      No real explanation. As you said yourself, I could write anything down that he wanted.

      Plus mistranslations or arbitrary ones are common mistakes people make, just see my Celtocentric link on his disruption of latin.

      “People reflect things only from hearsay. When I say biased, I don’t target you actually; what I try to mean is people follow the words of only one point of view and give no chance to the others. Regarding you, whatever source I provide you, you say no and it frustrates me, so I have decided to stop this conversation at this point. However I have some final words:”

      I appreciate your final words, but my work isn’t just hearsay, they are final results on genetic profiling and consistent historical statements.

      As for your sources I don’t just say they are wrong, I point out why they are wrong.

      ” ‘With my experience, I can point ton similar theories of Afrocentrics regarding this same topic but with Blacks and use of sources as well. When rejected, they would claim as you do of “white man bias”, but does that make it true?’
      You seem to accept the rejection of whites on certain issues but I don’t. You know why? Because I don’t believe that their judgement are fair and valid.. and they are literally out of time.”

      Okay, to give this clarity, what actual specific experiences make you think whites (western ones) are untrustworthy?

      Whatever experience you have, and I hate to say this, I can use my experience with basic ethnocentrists as I’m seeing the same arguments used here.

      But hey, I’m constructive, how about since translations of your sources, as you said, are limited you just post short summaries and points of evidence of the books you mentioned?

      “Also my little advise: Never ever say ”you are not turkish” to a Pomak if you meet them by any chance; they would certainly beat you up! They are real and genuine Turks and they know it, they are proud of it!”

      I wouldn’t say they aren’t “Turkish” the group itself can cover a wide range of people in terms of genetics, but my point was that technically their actual origins aren’t that clear and atleast they carry genes of native Eastern Europeans just as very far eastern Turks carry genes from Mongolian.

      “This is me and I will always be standing by what I write and claim.
      Bye,”

      Alright then.

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