Who Can Blame Working Class Whites for Voting for Trump?

Trash: When they are 12 or 13, they start smoking joints. By 15 it’s meth. They do poorly in public schools and cannot gain entry to college. The trades they do excel at: fixing things, hunting, race car driving, fighting…

Jason Y: Say WHAT ??? I think Trash is poster boy for the liberal elite. Don’t come down to Bristol TN, they will feed you to the lions at the Bristol 500. It will be the top entertainment at half-time. 😆. The response you’re going to get, assuming your ass isn’t kicked, is going to be a lot of “pussy and cocksucker remarks”, so wear some earplugs. Note, I didn’t say it. I see where you’re coming from, but THEY won’t understand. Attacking the culture is an unforgivable sin here. Be prepared to DIE.

Barack Thatcher:  “I think Trash is poster boy for the liberal elite.”

Perhaps he should change his name to “CASH”

Yes, Trash’s hatred for working class Whites is off the charts. If he was in the country, he would vote Democrat. I wonder how many Democrats think exactly like he does? It’s no wonder all these working class Whites voted for Trump. Democrats act like we hate these people. We give them nothing but hatred, mockery and contempt, while Trump the Fraud at least tries to talk to them and pretends he can help them. At very least, he doesn’t hate them. He holds a rally and says, “Hey, I like you. You are good people! You are not bad people!” So of course they vote for him. We liberals are digging our graves with this elitist anti-working class White crap.

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87 responses to “Who Can Blame Working Class Whites for Voting for Trump?

  1. Barack Thatcher

    It comes back to the need to recognize averages/distributions.

    SOME Appalachian/”flyover country”/rural poor Whites do behave that way, but far, far from a majority

    NAMs also do not all behave that way. SOME do, probably a higher proportion, but it should not be held against all NAMs.

    The paradigm of hating one while loving the other must end.
    It’s not logical, really.

    • Barack Thatcher

      and I mean I think it’s silly to even say being driven to such behaviors is entirely genetic. The opportunity has to be present itself, in varying ways and even then it is sketchy.

      • That’s sort of what I believe with behavior.

        Technically the potential in how one reacts to stimuli would be genetic, but that would be influenced by how they perceived their situation.

      • BARACK

        I’d vote democrat so that poor people had enough money to meet nutritional standards and get free pills to take before some stupid and reckless young heel blew his beans in them.

        How much do working class whites really care about a hippy on the West coast eking out a living running a co-op or his gay boyfriend running a small fashion boutique?

        California in point of fact does have horrendous problems but I doubt anyone in Kansas gives a single solitary rat’s ass.

        People in Flyover Land give little thought to Italian-Americans in New York or the Korean-American communities tensions with NAMS in LA or Japanese-Americans in Hawaii.

        Why should these states really be that concerned with them?

    • Jason Y

      Nearly all WNs make generalizations like that and also a lot of cultural liberals do the same.

    • Jason Y

      Flyover country rednecks can be brutal. Look at the childish gook lover comments. ha ha, har har 😆 Actually, their verbal bullying isn’t any different than from blacks.

    • BARACK

      Of note, I would add that many “working-class whites” smarten up at 30 years old but by then it is too late. They already forwent college to have the kids in their early 20’s, maybe did some jail time for DUI or were hooked on meth, lack the money to leave some city or community where the jobs are not going to come back.

      Korean-Americans are not complaining that Jewish media dominance is “dumbing down” their culture. Cuban-American whites are not complaining that Mestizos are getting their communities hooked on crack. Indian-Americans are not complaining that police are shooting them, although some are very black. Come to think of it, Nigerian immigrants in New York who work in the jewelry trades are not marching in Black Lives Matters.

      Live is an IQ test and you are pretty much screwed if yours is under 100 in this epoch. You will make one dumb instinct-driven decision after another like procreating at an early age at the height of your sexual prime, getting a third DUI that lands you in jail or fighting in Sports Bars.

      • GoldenCalf

        The jew media is far more against Whites, it’s only natural that more Whites are against the jew media. I question the logic of Whites not opposed to the anti-White jews domination of the media.

        • GOLDEN CALF

          Since Jews are white and often blonde, blue-eyed what is the advantage of being against white interests? Asians, blacks and Hispanics cannot really distinguish them from other whites?

          Dominant in the media. Probably a high verbal IQ. Springer can make fun of poor white idiots from the Flyover for the amusement of idiots from all races. So what?

          Bill O’Reilly or Snoop Dogg is Jewish.

          I’m not Jewish and do not care about them one way or the other. I do agree they place a great emphasis on making money, in fact.

          But people that are “influenced” by the media are pretty freaking stupid.

        • Jason Y

          Snoop Dogg is part Latino I believe. Bill O Reilly is Irish-American.

        • GoldenCalf

          Whether it be from envy, out of of spite, or trying to maintain the status quo is not the issue, that the jewish media is anti-White is the issue. Though only his fathers ancestry is listed on wiki, Rupert Murdochs mother is jewish. Springers audience epitomized dumb goyim.

      • “Live(sp) is an IQ test and you are pretty much screwed if yours is under 100 in this epoch. You will make one dumb instinct-driven decision after another like procreating at an early age at the height of your sexual prime, getting a third DUI that lands you in jail or fighting in Sports Bars.”

        Precisely. Let’s not forget that 50% are less than IQ100. Benign religion with threats of repercussions from GOD if you misbehave kept the left half in-check for pretty much until the 1960s. Religious blacks tend to do better and have their families in tact. While I am all for the opening up of the society to people from different ethnicity, culture and status, one thing the 60s did was to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The baby being religion. I am not religious at all but I feel religion is a necessity to keep society civil.

        • Jason Y

          Hmmmm religion. OK, that’s a large environmental factor of which HBD people have little faith in.

        • “Hmmmm religion. OK, that’s a large environmental factor of which HBD people have little faith in.”

          Probably because “religion” in terms of actual upholding of practices depends on genetics of a population which it actually has the power to change via selection.

          https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/11/21/human-culture-is-lamarckian/

          “We do have gene-culture co-evolution, which explains that human behavior is a product of two interacting variables—genetics and culture. When you really think about it, this is correct. Culture is the environment that we make for ourselves. The environments we make for ourselves are dependent on our genetics, therefore any cultural change SHOULD coincide with a change in genotype (since culture is phenotype). But when a new cultural tendency is introduced from an outside source, it can be especially powerful (like all cultural traits), enough to change the environment and, with it, make a new selective pressure that spreads new and beneficial mutations in that environment.”

    • GoldenCalf

      The NAMs cutting open the head of a special needs kid they kidnapped and using it as an ashtray is no suprise to me, Chicago blacks have a reputation in Illinois and the surrounding States. We get big city businessmen who think they’re hot shit from the NY trying to scam us in flyover country too. A lot of flyovers leave for the big cities too so there’s a lot of overlap. There’s perks to both areas but I don’t see any evidence of flyover inferiority or big city folks superiority.

      • GOLDEN CALF Why is it that Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans who live cheek-and-jowl with Jews in New York or Boston do not claim that Jews are ruining their lives but some guy in Nebraska or Missouri is convinced Jews control everything?

        I agree that parts of Chicago are now no-go areas for whites but unless you have special-needs you’d probably know that and be wary of getting into cars with thugs of a different color. Kid should not have been let alone to roam these streets.

        Luckily the Chicago minority criminals lack the gasoline to really commit these crimes more than 10 miles away from their residences. Also they want to be within distance of their drug dealers, Section 8 offices, dog fights.

        • GoldenCalf

          I’m Irish-American and have relatives in Boston, they’re no different than Midwest Irish. Very few flyovers are jew wise, Europeans are more on to the jew then Americans. jews dominate the media and the media is anti-White.

  2. To my knowledge most white working class types vote republican unconditionally and liberal disdain for them will only intensify it. If someone voted for Bush both times then Romney and McCain, it’s not shocking at all that they would vote this time for Orange Mussolini.

    You’ve written in the past about how Daily Kos is fauxcialist elitist garbage and that became crystal clear to the public when their editor wrote an article claiming we should be glad coal miners will lose their healthcare. That’s pretty much soft core eugenics.

    • TJF

      To djgarcia94

      To my knowledge most white working class types vote republican unconditionally and liberal disdain for them will only intensify it. If someone voted for Bush both times then Romney and McCain, it’s not shocking at all that they would vote this time for Orange Mussolini.

      My understanding is that a substantial number of lower income Whites don’t bother to vote (unless they’re elderly) in 2012. It’s the middle and upper income

      One of the most left of center Presidents (admittedly quite moderate by European standards) Jimmy Carter did quite well among Southern Whites in 1976. Granted that was a generation ago, the US is quite a different country now. Even so, fast forward to 2008 President Obama did quite well in some rural White areas including McDowell county in West Virginia (he beat McCain) but this year Trump trounced Clinton with 74% of the vote. The Huffington Post ran a story on McDowell country with little background (aside from they’re poor and the voted heavily for Trump)

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mcdowell-county-trump_us_582f18dde4b030997bbefa0d

      The comment section was telling… very few of the people commenting bothered to research the history of the county (strongly union and solidly Democratic for many decades until 2012) and heaped contempt on the population asking why wouldn’t they move and why were they so incredibly stupid? (There’s been an 80% population loss in past 3 decades in the county so obviously many have moved…with most of the balance too old or poor to leave).

      • Barack Thatcher

        TJF- my mother and maternal grandfather were from the next county over from McDowell (Mercer)

        McDowell county is the poorest county (median GDP/person) in the poorest state iirc. It is also supposed to be relatively Black compared to the rest of West Virginia, but that’s not saying much. The literacy rate was at one point in the last 25 years below 70%.

        With no coal jobs at all, basically, anymore they are less inclined to be concerned about environmental regulations and more likely to vote for democrats that have shown some interest in them, like Obama. He did not win in 2012 however.

        • Jason Y

          I’m sad coal is going, but people are not buying coal. It’s the market’s fault.

        • Barack Thatcher

          Just GDP/person I should say, assuming domestic does not refer to households and can refer to just a state/region.

        • Jason Y

          Blasting mountains, making them permanently disfigured to some extent, as well as poisoning water can be attributed to Big Coal.

      • Barack Thatcher

        TJF- an UK newspaper did an interview from McDowell county voters on this election that I posted here back in October. Some YouTube comments were of a disdainful nature, like “just read about Trump being a fraud and a neocon at heart” not noting that the literacy rate is not high. I’ll see if I can bring up the link.

  3. On the other hand Trump won over a lot of blue collars who voted for Obama both times, something which Hillary ignoring states like Pennsylvania and Ohio contributed to.

    • Jason Y

      Let’s not forget Russian hacking which is now being confirmed by nearly all security agencies. Read it in the recent news.

  4. Jason Y

    Actually, though someone could have unreasonable hate toward any group, not just working class whites. OK, in some comments in the same thread, I mentioned blacks were dickheads, which, well, for many is true. I could say the same about some white boys aged 6 – 12 also.

    Here is an example:

    I walk out of a gym and I think a white kid (kid who with his brother sat around a gym for half an hour while their Republican elitist parents worked out, snickering among themselves playing cell phone games) holds a door open for me and I say “thanks”. Next, I walk by their car and these kids are mocking me saying “thanks” :lo: in an effeminate matter. 😆

    Look how these little faggots sit around and do nothing while people are working at the gym and then they have the guts to mouth off to adults, Huh, imagine if I mouthed off to some bikers. Would I get away with it?

    OK, so hate toward people is unreasonable, but I can see where it comes from. Possibly liberal elitists had bad experiences with some rednecks and then make generalizations, but sometimes those stereotypes are quite true, but then again not.

    OK, and blacks, well a lot of them are dickheads like those boys I mentioned. However, they all aren’t like that. But you sure will meet those types in the ghetto, the military, or in prison. If someone meets those types they will make generalizations. But then again, are they being oversensitive wusses for making them (as people might accuse me when I mentioned the two white boys)?

    • Jason Y

      Note in a prison, possibly 90 to 99 percent of hate from blacks would be their hate speech against whites, the other part being actual violence. However, it’s enough to cause most white people (exposed to it) to hate blacks. But are they being wusses for making generalizations or being so bothered by it?

      OK, a mistake in the post above, the white boy didn’t hold the gate for me, but it seemed like he did.

    • “OK, so hate toward people is unreasonable, but I can see where it comes from. Possibly liberal elitists had bad experiences with some rednecks and then make generalizations, but sometimes those stereotypes are quite true, but then again not.”

      Librel Elitists =/= typical SJW, the latter actually being the actual “footmen”. They would more likely have more experience with Rednecks.

      With that said, your scenario works.

      “OK, and blacks, well a lot of them are dickheads like those boys I mentioned. However, they all aren’t like that. But you sure will meet those types in the ghetto, the military, or in prison. If someone meets those types they will make generalizations. But then again, are they being oversensitive wusses for making them (as people might accuse me when I mentioned the two white boys)?”

      Yet you go on about Southern Elites as well as right-wing areas and continue to defend blacks from generalization, just as you do with your comment below this one.

      Also, another issue with your comparisons is that they are confined within the realms of “bullying”. Is it really bullying WNs actually complain about with Blacks?

      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/more-on-epic-bearded-man/

      “Note in a prison, possibly 90 to 99 percent of hate from blacks would be their hate speech against whites, the other part being actual violence.”

      Bullshit. You are telling me in PRISON, with a higher sample of convicts than real life, interracial hate is only 1-9% violence? A major factor you neglect, among other things, is that it’s not simply Blood/Crips vs. the Aryan Brotherhood as you would have to factor in Hispanics who clash with blacks more often and would recieve hat more often.

      Proportions aside, cases of “hate” can be argued to be low in certain cases to but that’s mainly the function of segregation and the vitality of drug-dealing rather than preference.

      https://www.amren.com/features/2014/12/the-racial-order-of-prisons/

      ” However, it’s enough to cause most white people (exposed to it) to hate blacks. But are they being wusses for making generalizations or being so bothered by it?”

      Well first you would have to prove it’s just “bullying” that piss off WNs in general.

      • Jason Y

        I think there is a lot of prison violence, but I really feel that a lot of the hate comes from verbal bullying (belittling etc..) That’s how it normally comes about in other places like schools, the military etc.

        However, notice that WNs defend verbal bullying from whites as “boys being boys”, but from blacks as something savage and evil.

        Anyhow, a lot more violence is under control then people think. Possibly the public’s obsession with prison violence comes from Hollywood.

        • Black male insults are pretty weak and not that stinging: “Biiiaaatttch” (Bitch). “Punk Ass Bitch”. “Motherf*cker”. It just isn’t very hurtful.

          A hardened Italian mafia don or Russian mobster who was imprisoned in the Gulag or a biker who endured being “a prospect” is unlikely to be that hurt that some prison black says “suck my dick, dog”.

      • Jason Y

        Well first you would have to prove it’s just “bullying” that piss off WNs in general.

        I think the verbal stuff is the root of it, and then they begin to complain about other stuff.

      • Jason Y

        Notice also that dickhead remarks from black kids in the Jim Crow south could lead to a lynching (Emmett Till) but it’s always been socially acceptable for white boys belittle other boys.

        • Jason Y

          Sorry correction I mean:

          Notice also that dickhead remarks from black kids toward white people in the Jim Crow south could lead to a lynching (Emmett Till) but it’s always been socially acceptable for white boys to belittle other boys of any race.

          Now tell me if this free speech WNs complain about isn’t really about power and domination.

        • Jason Y

          Can you give specific examples? Where they actually defending it or raising it as a double standard?

          It’s just common knowledge WNs believe in hypermasculinity for whites, but condemn it for blacks. The commentators on here, like ep-gah and Sam, have constantly brought up the subject.

      • Jason Y

        Proportions aside, cases of “hate” can be argued to be low in certain cases to but that’s mainly the function of segregation and the vitality of drug-dealing rather than preference.

        I don’t know. I have a relative who did time and he said, “Prison will sure cause you to hate (N word)s. The worst ones (meaning blacks) are there.”

        Also, I know at least three other people with venomous hate toward blacks mostly gotten from bad experiences with “cooler than thou” smartass blacks in the army. Note I didn’t hear of any tales much of violence. It was all just verbal harassment.

        • “I don’t know. I have a relative who did time and he said, “Prison will sure cause you to hate (N word)s. The worst ones (meaning blacks) are there.””

          Seeing how you a quoting someone else, I don’t see why you censored “niggers” as you done the same before I’m sure.

          Second I used a amren article on the content of gangs in a California Prison, saying they try to keep stuff down for stability of the drug Trade.

          It could be different regionally, hence why I said “may” with the reasons why.

          “Also, I know at least three other people with venomous hate toward blacks mostly gotten from bad experiences with “cooler than thou” smartass blacks in the army. Note I didn’t hear of any tales much of violence. It was all just verbal harassment.”

          Define “venomous hate” and their actually experience. Seeing how I’ve seen you distort my views as well as those of others, I wouldn’t exactly rank you well with second hand info on the experiences of others.

      • “I think there is a lot of prison violence, but I really feel that a lot of the hate comes from verbal bullying (belittling etc..) That’s how it normally comes about in other places like schools, the military etc.”

        Place whose populations are obviously different than prisons.

        “However, notice that WNs defend verbal bullying from whites as “boys being boys”, but from blacks as something savage and evil.”

        Can you give specific examples? Where they actually defending it or raising it as a double standard?

        “Anyhow, a lot more violence is under control then people think. Possibly the public’s obsession with prison violence comes from Hollywood.”

        Again, proof?

        “I think the verbal stuff is the root of it, and then they begin to complain about other stuff.”

        Again, proof?

        “Sorry correction I mean:

        Notice also that dickhead remarks from black kids toward white people in the Jim Crow south could lead to a lynching (Emmett Till) but it’s always been socially acceptable for white boys to belittle other boys of any race.”

        Emmett Till’s murder, while unjustified, was due to feeling threaten with someone going going near a woman which was among the driving symbols that motivated rural people from integration to begin with. Not comparable to mere jest. Why you give that as an example is beyond me.

        “Now tell me if this free speech WNs complain about isn’t really about power and domination.”

        Well one your example was no good to begin with. Second the WN mantra either calls for societal segregation or a White Ethnostate for the sake of being away from Blacks, so their motivation being basically for control of Blacks is unfounded especially when you haven’t given an example.

        How to find one? Various WN news sites, forums, etc. on controversies. Just bring type in “anti-white” and “freedom of speech” and you’ll probably find results.

        Show me what you find that matches your contention.

        • Mike

          Control? R u kidding go look in the comments and see those faggots talking about how much they enjoyed lynchings in the good old days.

        • Mike

          American iRenaissance article to prove a point. That says a lot. Lol

        • Jason Y

          Control? R u kidding go look in the comments and see those faggots talking about how much they enjoyed lynchings in the good old days.

          Yep…

        • “Control? R u kidding go look in the comments and see those faggots talking about how much they enjoyed lynchings in the good old days.”

          And I could also recall people wanting an ethnostate away from others. So what is your point?

        • “Yep…”

          You know this is probably the close to the tenth time I’ve seen you rely on the ideas of others before making a effort yourself to bring up an original idea or evidence on your own.

          To Mike,

          I really hope you try to grasp that what I’m saying is that Jason seems to think that WN bitching is from “bullying”, when in real life, whether justified or not, their anger comes from the type of crime and actions that YOU yourself said was bad and agreed with the Alt Right.

          Go to an WS, WN, or Alt right site and see what makes front news, “dems niggers causing crime” or “BLM terrorists”.

          I can guarantee you you will find at least two of such comments for every comment on the nostalgia for lynching on Amren.

        • Mike

          Phil I agree that bullying is not the only reason as some policies and ideas are vehemently anti white and against what white culture stood for but to put the blame on blacks and Jews for all of it is unacceptable. To say 2 percent of a population is welding iron hand to out and out destroy a dominant race is far fetched. It couldn’t have happened without the abetting of whites that includes proles. I do not deny black crime and against BLm as they are mirror image of Ku Klux Klan. I’ve lived in Chicago for a few years and I’m shocked how much damaged the city is right now. I’ll add more on Chicago and blm later. For now alt right seems obsessed with blacks and Jews more than the white ethnostate you are referring to. I don’t see any problems in taking out the thug elements regardless of their race both in SAF as well as Chicago. Excuse the typos. Keyboard sucks. comments like the one referred by Robert where the guy us bitchjng endlessly about niggers, kikes, serves no purpose. Unfortunately that is what most alt righters believe in

        • “Phil I agree that bullying is not the only reason as some policies and ideas are vehemently anti white and against what white culture stood for but to put the blame on blacks and Jews for all of it is unacceptable.”

          That I agree with. I only mention blacks due to disproportionate crime, and Jews I only mention not to blame but often because Jason holds double standards or strawmen when they are addressed.

          “To say 2 percent of a population is welding iron hand to out and out destroy a dominant race is far fetched.”

          Technically not simply Jews, but specifically “Jewish Elites”. In general they don’t trust elites, but Their argument is essentially Jewish elites are more prominent.

          Involvement likely but control I doubtful.

          ” It couldn’t have happened without the abetting of whites that includes proles. I do not deny black crime and against BLm as they are mirror image of Ku Klux Klan. I’ve lived in Chicago for a few years and I’m shocked how much damaged the city is right now. I’ll add more on Chicago and blm later.”

          I await your comments on such.

          “For now alt right seems obsessed with blacks and Jews more than the white ethnostate you are referring to.”

          Complaining about them is one thing, but that alone doesn’t indicate control more so then misdirectedness.

          By “control” I mean a urge to provok and dominant. Most I’ve seen want to provoke to retaliate, but that less of having cintrol over blacks as oppose to control of the situation. Granted, they probably would want to take extreme measures to prevent it but Jason describes it just to dominant for the sake of domination.

          Again, I refer back to Emitt Till, his death was caused by the extreme rage at the idea of a Black Man Touching a White woman which was coupled with other imagery in stuff like “Birth of a Nation”. Is it justified to let such fears go to extreme ends, no, but it would be incorrect to say it’s “domination for domination’s sake.”

          “I don’t see any problems in taking out the thug elements regardless of their race both in SAF as well as Chicago. Excuse the typos. Keyboard sucks. comments like the one referred by Robert where the guy us bitchjng endlessly about niggers, kikes, serves no purpose. Unfortunately that is what most alt righters believe in.”

          Most? Probably 50-60% yeah. Other are crude about it, but seem to have underlying feelings towards a comporomise whether practical or not.

          My “source” would be places like Unz Revirew comment sections that is a more “diverse” Alt Right palate, Amren is much more tribalistic by comparison.

        • Barack Thatcher

          phil
          They probably only want an ethnostate away from others because they can’t lynch those others.

          Near a majority basically deny that Blacks are human and would basically be okay with indiscriminate killings.

          This is NOT a strawman.

          If such views are fronted 24/7 on every thread…it’s simply the de facto view.

        • Jason Y

          phil
          They probably only want an ethnostate away from others because they can’t lynch those others.

          Near a majority basically deny that Blacks are human and would basically be okay with indiscriminate killings.

          This is NOT a strawman.

          If such views are fronted 24/7 on every thread…it’s simply the de facto view.

          Apparently, southern WNs enjoy using others for profit. That would explain why they tolerated them in the Jim Crow south but wouldn’t give them equal rights.

          Note even Trash as well as southerners themselves brag about how they are so loving to negroes, but Yankees throw them in the street to starve.

          Oh, and finally, southern WNs only want a seperate ethnostate because they have no use for blacks now as they aren’t farmworkers anymore. In fact, a cruel joke on Stromfront is that blacks are archaic farm equipment. Har har, 😆

          By “control” I mean a urge to provok and dominant. Most I’ve seen want to provoke to retaliate, but that less of having cintrol over blacks as oppose to control of the situation. Granted, they probably would want to take extreme measures to prevent it but Jason describes it just to dominant for the sake of domination.

          Given human nature we can say to an extent they are trying to prevent chaos, but in other ways it’s simply a form of sadism. Well, for another example, look at India and it’s opression of the lower castes, especially the untouchables.

        • Jason Y

          Possibly WNs outside the south have always wanted a seperate ethnostate and would have no use for killings etc. (except for genocide), because unlike with the southern WNs, they don’t have a profit motive for keeping blacks around (even as a lower caste), they just want to get the hell away from them.

        • Jason Y

          As I already explained domination is needed in a situation where they are trying to control a group they either cannot get rid of via genocide (South Africa) or they’re using for profit (Jim Crow south USA) Of course, South African might have also been using blacks for profit as I am sure higher caste Indians are.

          I don’t think a stronger group will keep dangerous group around if it doesn’t benefit them, unless of course, it’s impossible to get rid of them.

          Well, we see that Israelis would like to get rid of Arabs but cannot. Therefore, the Israelis coexist with what they see as evil by being as dominating as posible. Israelis have no use for Arabs at all. They don’t need them as lower IQ servants.

        • “phil
          They probably only want an ethnostate away from others because they can’t lynch those others.

          Near a majority basically deny that Blacks are human and would basically be okay with indiscriminate killings.

          This is NOT a strawman.

          If such views are fronted 24/7 on every thread…it’s simply the de facto view.”

          Even if true, that doesn’t tell us the motivation whether it’s to provoke by the sheer motivation to dominate others for domination’s sake as oppose to dominating the situation.

          See how that applies to Emmett Till or better Yet WHY the the KKK used such ideas to motivate their MASSES. In they case, it’s not just out of “bullying”.

          “Apparently, southern WNs enjoy using others for profit. That would explain why they tolerated them in the Jim Crow south but wouldn’t give them equal rights.”

          You still haven’t explained how profit existed in Jim Crow..

          “Note even Trash as well as southerners themselves brag about how they are so loving to negroes, but Yankees throw them in the street to starve.

          Oh, and finally, southern WNs only want a seperate ethnostate because they have no use for blacks now as they aren’t farmworkers anymore. In fact, a cruel joke on Stromfront is that blacks are archaic farm equipment. Har har,😆”

          Again, proof?

          “Possibly WNs outside the south have always wanted a seperate ethnostate and would have no use for killings etc. (except for genocide), because unlike with the southern WNs, they don’t have a profit motive for keeping blacks around (even as a lower caste), they just want to get the hell away from them.”

          Okay, now we are talking regionally. You haven’t brought this up before.

          “As I already explained domination is needed in a situation where they are trying to control a group they either cannot get rid of via genocide (South Africa) or they’re using for profit (Jim Crow south USA) Of course, South African might have also been using blacks for profit as I am sure higher caste Indians are.”

          You still haven’t explain profit in Jim Crow as I’ve asked you before in the past.

          See my point above with Barrack on “dominance’s” motivators with KKK.

          I don’t think a stronger group will keep dangerous group around if it doesn’t benefit them, unless of course, it’s impossible to get rid of them.

          Well, we see that Israelis would like to get rid of Arabs but cannot. Therefore, the Israelis coexist with what they see as evil by being as dominating as posible. Israelis have no use for Arabs at all. They don’t need them as lower IQ servants.”

          Lets just back up because, as usually, you are derailing missing the issue here. My point is that WN “bitching” is not simply a matter of dominance as I’ve explained to Mike if you want reference.

          Whatever their means, may it be Apartheid, ethnostate, Jim Crow, etc. the main front IS in regards to crime.

          You, Barrack, and Mike bring up extremes amongst WNs and conteszt they are majority, but as what I said even in cases like Emett Till, their motivation wasn’t that simple as to “Bully”.

      • Barack Thatcher

        Whites join gangs in prison, for protection, in some places.

        A poor White who used to work in a factory but has to turn to crime on the outskirts of Cleveland, Baltimore, Detroit, etc. is going to be outnumbered 4 to 1.

        I can recall a documentary about this on a show where an White Supremacist inmate’s (in Cleveland) mother laments about this. “I have half-Hispanic children, I don’t understand why he does this”…probably for protection.

        Once again AmRen is uses strawmen. A lot of people understand this and do not begrudge the Whites who do such.

        • Barack Thatcher

          a White Supremacist.

          AmRen is using strawmen

        • BARACK Russians and Italians in prison do not join Skinhead gangs and neither do the bikers. They are ALREADY IN A GANG.

          Nor do blacks really attempt to victimize a hairy mafia don’s rectal cavity in prison or demand a blowjob from a bearded huge Hell’s Angel’s 1% contract killer.

          They go after the young whites because these are weak drug addicts or chronic drunks or child molesters who have smooth faces and relatively hairless anuses. If you are a 50 year old Russian contract killer or Hell’s Angel who weighs 300 pounds it unlikely that Rufus wishes to fight you for the use of your hairy anal shaft.

          Whites who join gangs were usually drug addicts on the outside. Ninety percent of them. White professional criminals are not stealing out of a car in a parking lot.

          Again this comes down to poor working-class whites often but not always being soft fools.

  5. SzandorZ

    I don’t blame the white working class for voting for Trump. My parents were working class European immigrants who came here legally, unionized, and had 2 kids they could afford to support. That was the 60s and 70s. They voted Democratic. Now the Democratic party wants us to support illegal immigrants from Latin America who come here and have 3-10 kids that they can’t support, but we’re supposed to bend over and support them. Also, the “black lives matter” rhetoric is tiresome. If black lives matter so much, why are they constantly killing each other and other races? Nine times out ten, when the perpetrator and victim are of different races, the aggressor is black and the victim is some other race–that comes from DoJ data. I can’t stand Trump and I didn’t vote for him, but I see why other white people did.

    • Tulio

      Republican elites are as supportive of illegal immigration as any SJW, but for different reasons. They want the cheap labor and the effect it has on de-unionizing, gutting worker rights and suppressing wage growth. Reagan granted the biggest amnesty of all time. And many middle class whites(most of whom are Republican) have no issues with hiring illegal immigrants to mow their lawns, move their furniture and tend to their kids.

      Obama has never advocated a blanket amnesty. I think he’s always had a very pragmatic stance on illegal immigration which leaves him to be maligned both by the right and the left. He has deported lots of illegal immigrant criminals during his tenure and has done quite a good job in stemming border crossings. He is also trying to protect kids who were brought here through no choice of their own and grew up in America and don’t identify with any other country. He wants to give these kids and their established families who are working and not committing crimes a path to citizenship. And that’s not just for idealistic reasons, it’s for practical reasons. It’s very unlikely you’ll be able to deport 11 million people. You’d have to have law enforcement going from door to door looking for people, when they have far more urgent crimes to worry about. You also have many law enforcement agencies that have already said they won’t cooperate with any such actions and they are not diverting their resources from fighting crime to being immigration enforcement agents. Trump is soon about to learn the same thing. Campaign rhetoric is one thing, reality is another.

      As for Black Lives Matter, I urge you to go watch the murder of Phil Castile by police in its entirety. It’s on youtube. If BLM angers you more than what happened to Castille, then you are part of the problem.

      • All of your points are on mark accept with BLM.

        Don’t get me wrong, while the murder was unjustified, it just doesn’t get to his point of murders like that being less common then the more common scenario of Black on Black Crime rarely discussed in the same light.

      • TULIO

        Blacks can stand out in the cold and protest. This is their right to do so. “Working-class whites” can fight and argue with them on cold streets to.

        Most of the population will not bother leaving their favorite television program to get up off their couch and whites on the police force whose own IQ’s are probably around 100 will continue to shoot them because many police in uniform are none-too-bright themselves.

        I might add that Italians and Russian and Colombians commit far more crimes for a far longer period of time than the average black and so do white serial killers.

        • Jason Y

          Is BLM about racial profiling or do they claim the black criminals are not really criminals (victims of some unjust drug war etc..)?

  6. James Schipper

    The leftist attitude toward proletarians: “They are often vulgar, primitive, bigoted and brutish, but they are human beings entitled to a decent standard of living.” If they have darker pigmentation, leftists will of course refrain from criticizing them.

    The conservative attitude toward proletarians: “They are losers who deserve to be poor because they lack economic virtues. Anybody with the right personal qualities can do well in the US.” Some conservatives probably really believe the nonsense that tax cuts for the rich, deregulation of business and privatization can work wonders for everybody. Wer es glaubt, wird selig.

    • Jason Y

      It’s difficult to say if being macho always leads to a job. Even among stuff like lumberjacks and oil workers there is competition. If some limp wristed piano playing queer 😆 decided to change his, I mean her, ways then would he or she have a shot in the manly job market? Not really, even if they trained so hard they became as skilled as guys who have always been doing it.

      OK, what’s left. OK, the tough guys opposed to whining and excuses always have tons of fast food jobs available. So will that sustain them and their families? But they should do anything but accept wimpy welfare.

  7. Barack Thatcher

    JASON
    I have had endless discussions with neolibs about this. They insist retraining and going high tech will work in WV. They don’t understand that it takes a long time to build up the ability to do those things.

    Fracking has reduced the elasticity of ME oil and can be a great thing, but we can’t have sky high cancer rates and Bunsen burners in our kitchens.
    By and large wv is in a lose-lose situation.

    • Jason Y

      Tons of jobs exist in math and science fields, but a lot of people give up due to the difficulty. However, without a high-tech advantage your forced to go into other things, and you have to have advertising to knock out the competition and it’s beyond the reach of most people due to the cost. For instance, a carpenter cannot easily get into a job market where 50 other ones are in town.

      • Jason Y

        Fixing things is something Trash mentioned as a job choice for brutish Anglo-Celtic peasants (sarcasm), and ironically it’s in-demand. However, again advertising is needed for someone to come out on top. See, that’s the way it is in America. Anyhow can start a business, but without advertising dollars, then it has no chance.

      • Tulio

        Yeah, not everybody has the IQ for these “jobs of the future” which require a lot of education and a high level of specialization. The best solution for these people is probably going to be government infrastructure projects. Something Obama tried in vain to get the Republican congress on board with. Maybe now that Trump is calling for the same thing they’ll change their tune. But given that Reaganism still has a strong sway over congressional Republicans I wouldn’t count on it.

      • JASON Y

        This posits that everyone in the world has an IQ of at least 110.

        • Jason Y

          I think most people can do the high tech stuff eventually, but if it takes 10 years to get a degree, then it’s a lost cause.

    • Barack Thatcher

      reduce the inelasticity

    • Barack Thatcher

      increase the elasticity I mean

  8. JASON YANKEE “LOVE THE NEGROS” and THROW THEM ON THE STREET

    Yankees are a meritocracy of whites and Asians who arrived long after the Civil War.

    In the meritocracy of the North or West Coast I would say unsurprisingly that Jews, Asians and Central/Eastern European-Americans fare well.

    NAMS do not because their families are unstable from recreational screwing, smoking baking soda mixed with crack too much, teenage pregnancy, petty crime that leads to arrests, poor scholastic performances.

    Jews and Italians and Irish-Catholics do not throw them out. They ignore us for the most part and we ignore them.

    Southern Whites preoccupy themselves with blacks.

    We do not Love or Hate NAMS, Jason. We don’t give a bloody shit much either way.

    • Jason Y

      Well, I agree with your point. I suppose what I mean is that southern WNs for a long time sadistically kept negroes as a lower caste for the sake of profit. Nowadays, though, these blacks are of no use to them. Mostly the blacks are now just seen as a drain on the welfare system or as competitors for jobs, and especially a crime threat (though massively exxagerated).

      As for WNs outside the south, they want to get rid of all the blacks, a more extreme position then what you see from modern day Yankees, as they just simply ignore them as you stated.

    • Jason Y

      Southern whites would preoccupy themselves with blacks because in the past they were vital to the economy. They were the Mexican bean pickers of that day and age. They kept the southern economy going, and at times, rich (King Cotton in Mississippi, formerly one of the USA’s richest states, now the poorest)

      Nonetheless, despite the help the blacks gave to the economy, they were always seen as a threat and kept under massive control of one way or the other. Also, they were used as a self-esteem booster to southern whites, since many of the lowest whites were still better than blacks.

      • Jason Y

        I think it was ep-gah who noted that the defeated nature of the south in the Civil War may have led to some of the sadistic obsession of southern whites with blacks. However, I don’t think it was the reason they kept them around after the war. The blacks were needed by farmers who would collapse without them. In fact, obviously, plantation owners needed slaves before the war, so the motive of southern succession was to preserve the slaves cause they were vital to the plantations.

        States rights? A bunch of right-wing WN bullshit. It was NOT the cause of the Civil War.

        • Jason Y

          It’s funny to note that not all southerners hate Mexicans in this day and age. Quite a number of farms would collapse without illegal labor. Therefore, I saw a TV news report about an Alabama farmer who was worried about his state’s tough new anti-immigration legislation.

  9. WORKING-CLASS WHITES

    Republican-voting Jimbo the Flyover Land Red Stater needs welfare or counselling or police more often than the “liberal elite” who usually have a job that supports their children or are gay and have no children or if they are lazy and do not work can be supported by a Trust Fund.

    Mexicans in California and gay Jewish makeup artists in Hollywood are not pleading for factory jobs to “come back”.

    I agree that nobody should go without food or shelter in life. Those human rights have to be respected or we are animals. Point blank.

    But Jimbo the Flyover Land hick who laughs when “homos get an Anally-Inflicted Death Sentence” and despises the successful “liberal elite” screenwriter who tended bar for 5 years until a studio produced his film or lawyer who worked full-time through law school wants a great deal of sympathy for making poor life decisions.

    It is the fault of the liberal elite that he impregnated his girlfriend in his late teens and that his children cannot have the opportunities afforded to those who waited until they were 30 to have two children.

    That he got addicted to meth the first time he tried it.

    • themaker75

      How bad do you think the Meth problem is in America. Where I live it’s non existent, so out of sight out of mind. I hear in Southern NJ it’s an epidemic. Is this media sensationalism or is it really that bad. What’s the country going to look like in 10 years if we have millions of meth heads. Or do we already?

      • The meth problem has been going like gangbusters for a good 25 years now. I doubt if it is getting worse. I would not be surprised if it had already peaked.

        • ROBERT 25 years ago “crank” was only popular with poor whites and regarded as a biker drug.

          As Ice has replaced cruder forms of meth I’ve noticed that more people of other ethnic backgrounds and incomes began to use it.

          It never caught on with NAMS. Asians and whites don’t smoke crack anymore but crack cocaine has remained the drug of choice for NAMS.

      • Themaker75

        When I left the United States 18 years ago it was the drug of choice for poor whites in Arizona.

        “Tweakers” were commonplace.

    • Jason Y

      Come on. Everyone knows successful people in the Hollywood and movie industry and channeling demonic spirits. 😆

      I wish I didn’t believe that, but the evidence is so overwhelming. At least I think the millionaires are.

    • Jason Y

      Hicks aren’t always so dumb. Some of them are even engineering students. Some of the worst hate at the community college was from this one family. Note, I didn’t do nothing to them. I guess they just heard rumors about stuff I said on social media unless they were actually so cruel that they just picked out weak and/.or different people for no reason.

      • Jason Y

        I would hate those guys the most, more than so called good ole boys who shot their load up Bessie Sue at the senior prom. Those guys are often from military families, they’re tight-knit, kind of like the Jews or Koreans, and their all ambitious, and I wouldn’t really care, I might even root for them if they weren’t such massive bullies.

        It’s sort of like the Arab hatred of Israel or the African hatred of the white South Africans, especially Afrikaners.

  10. JASON Y 19 or 20 year old adolescents are bothering a man of another generation on a community college campus-they were being born back 1997 when you or I were already of post-college age.

    You should take your courses by correspondence.

  11. A man of the world like yourself cares what adolescents being born about the year that Titanic was in movie theaters back in 1997 must indeed feel a little bunged out.

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