“Hinduism Versus Confucianism: An Analysis and Comparison,” by Dota

Nice essay from Dota, former commenter here who now blogs at Occident Invicta with Bay Area Guy, another former commenter here.

The societies of India and China have been structured along feudal lines for much of recorded history. Despite both societies placing a premium on hierarchy and authoritarianism, their internal motivations and ethical paradigms are widely divergent. The Chinese mind has been shaped by Confucianism, whereas the Indian mind has been shaped by Hinduism.

Let’s begin by analyzing Confucianism.

Confucianism stresses social order and postulates that no society can attain political stability by precluding social stability. Confucianism views society as a massive collection of interdependent networks that are comprised of relationships on the atomic level.

The genius of the Confucian model is that it recognizes the inherently relative nature of power and how power is also a zero-sum resource. Those that possess power do so because others do not. An emperor may possess power over a subject, but that subject isn’t powerless, only merely so in relationship to his sovereign. This same subject may be a teacher and wield power over his students.

To ensure social stability, Confucius ordained that relationships be guided by the principle of ren or benevolence. This is Confucianism’s highest virtue and arguably the philosophy’s overarching universal ethic. A sovereign treats his subjects benevolently by ensuring that they are fed, protected, and generally want for nothing (materially speaking). The subjects then reciprocate with obedience and loyalty. Those in power must treat those without (in the context of their relationship) with benevolence, while the latter reciprocate with obedience and loyalty.

Benevolence is often strictly interpreted as each party honoring their respective obligations. It would be unjust for a wife to expect her husband’s kindness if she herself were disobedient. Conversely it would be unjust for a husband to demand his wife’s obedience if he himself failed in his husbandly duties. We see a glimmer of this idea even in Western tradition. Plato argued that interdependence was at the heart of justice, and that social order was maintained when members of social classes refrained form crossing lines.

Confucianism’s approach to social justice is not dissimilar to other Eastern philosophies. The primary aim here is to ensure the prevention of abuse rather than empowering the disenfranchised (a preoccupation of modern day social justice). Sumeria’s Ur-Nammu famously proclaimed that: “The orphan was not delivered up to the rich man; the widow was not delivered up to the mighty man; the man of one shekel was not delivered up to the man of one mina.” Not unlike other ancient societies, the Chinese also believed that class structures were an inherent feature of any civilized society, as men of greater talent would naturally rise above their peers. The ancients thus focused their energies on ensuring that men of ability did not use their powers unjustly against those lodged beneath them in the social order.

Before we move on to discussing Hinduism, a few comments are in order pertaining to the success of feudalism in China. It is my opinion that feudalism was wildly successful in China for the same reasons that the Catholic Church was successful in Europe. The Church absorbed some of the most talented men in society by giving them an avenue to express their talents. Such men could not ascend in a strictly feudal order despite their talents and thus gravitated towards the church.

The Chinese state implemented that very approach and absorbed men of resource into its ever growing bureaucracy. This also had another unexpected benefit – it prevented the formation of a class of dissidents that could prove to be a source of agitation. I believe the Communist Party of China absorbs talent in such a manner even today. Men who wish to ascend the rungs of power often choose the political route (via the party) as opposed to the riskier route of commerce.

Hindu society, like its Chinese counterpart, was similarly structured along feudal lines. There is, however, one key difference in their underlying composition – Confucianism stresses the interdependence of relationship networks, whereas the Hindu caste system is the world’s oldest pyramid scheme.

As we are well aware, a pyramid structure is one where every level attempts to profit (by exploitation) off the labor of the level below, and so it goes all the way down until one reaches the base – the most crucial level and also the most exploited. Pyramids are inherently unstable and one way to ensure their longevity is by means of force. Individuals must be coerced to remain at their stations so that the structure may endure. This method leaves the structure vulnerable to rebellions and a constant tension between the levels. This point is obvious from British history alone where Barons often clashed with the monarchy.

In order to allay this source of instability, some pyramids permit upward mobility. But this makes the crucial base unstable by putting it in a constant state of flux as individuals at the lower stations climb up and leave their former stations vacant. This problem is alleviated by constantly recruiting newer members into the base so that there is always a base available for exploitation.

The genius of the Hindu caste system is that it combines both the aforementioned approaches. Hinduism forbids caste mobility in the current life, thereby ensuring the perpetual hegemony of the upper castes. However, in order to prevent tension, Hinduism allows caste mobility but only through rebirth/reincarnation. This system ensures that the lower castes are given some hope of improving their station in the social order so long as they serve the interests of the upper castes in the current lifetime. It is karma, the cosmic recruiter, that ensures that the base will always remain staffed with compliant serfs.

The ultimate difference between Hinduism and Confucianism is that the former is an escapist religion whereas the latter is at its core an ethical philosophy. While many a Westerner would disagree with the ethical rules of Confucianism, it is impossible to deny the ethical focus of this philosophy. Ethics reside within the horizontal space between individuals. Any ideology or mode of thought that attempts to address this space is ethical in nature, even if we may disagree with the rules that regulate this space and by extension the human relationships bound to it.

By contrast, Hinduism addresses a very different space: the gap between man and the universe (cosmic order). The goal of Hinduism is to escape the world and become liberated from karma once and for all. Karma and Dharma are cosmic forces that to the best of my knowledge have no equivalent in Chinese philosophy; the focus of the latter being on social and ethical matters as opposed to metaphysics.

To illustrate this point, consider the life of an ascetic. Hinduism places a great degree of value on the ascetic lifestyle. But the man who renounces the world resides in (to quote Arthur Danto) a space “beyond good and evil.” In such an environment, an agent’s actions have no moral content. A hermit who lives outside society will always act in a morally neutral way. The closest analogy to this in Chinese philosophy is the Taoist wanderer, who is essentially a loner. But the wanderer is not seeking escape from the world, merely freedom from discomfort and anxiety that plague those that haven’t discovered the way (Tao).

Confucianism on the other hand, by its very essence, rejects the ascetic lifestyle. Man’s place is rooted firmly in society, for as Confucius put it: “One cannot herd with the beasts or flock with the birds. If I am not to be a man among men, then what am I to be?” It is this space that Hinduism ultimately seeks release from. Consider the following illustration from India’s Bhakti tradition:

In the basic story, Tiruppan grows up as part of an ‘untouchable’ panar caste of bards and minstrels in a town near the temple of Srirangam, arguably the most revered of all Vaisnava pilgrimage sites and indisputably the single most important temple for Srivaisnava devotees. From the moment he is able to speak, Tiruppan sings beautiful songs praising the qualities of Rangi (or Ranganatha), the form of Visnu worshiped in the temple of Srirangam just across the river from his home town.

Every day he travels to the south bank of the river and sings from a distance to his beloved Rangi. Tiruppan yearns to see the image of his beloved but is unable to enter the temple due to his ‘untouchable’ status. Eventually, the beauty of his songs and the intensity of his devotion awake the compassion of Rangi, who comes in a dream to the Brahmin priest of Srirangam and tells him to bring Tiruppan into the temple on his shoulders.

The priest goes to get Tiruppan, but he refuses to come, saying, “How could you do such a thing with me, your slave, who belongs to the class of untouchables?” In another version, he states, “How can I step with my feet on to the holy temple of Ranga?” And the Brahmin replies, “Never mind! You can go [sitting] on my shoulders.” In yet another version, Tiruppan is so insistent that he cannot come to the temple because of his low birth and sinful life that the priest must physically force him onto his shoulders.

Eventually, Tiruppan enters the temple riding on the shoulders of the Brahmin priest, and gazing at Rangi in devotional ecstasy, he sings ten verses of praise describing the God from foot to head. These are the very verses that are still remembered and recited today in the Srivaisnava community. The story concludes with Tiruppan miraculously uniting with and disappearing into the image of his beloved Rangi.

This story illustrates how a man can close the gap between himself and the divine (Tiruppan and Rangi) whereas leaving the glaring gap between individuals (Tiruppan and the Brahmin priests) unaddressed.

This brings me to the final point of this essay. What is Hinduism’s overarching ethic? Western civilization’s universal ethic is moral universalism, and Confucianism’s is Ren (benevolence). It is my view that Indian civilization is unique precisely because it failed to do something which other advanced civilizations have done: produce a universal ethic. This view was shared by three individuals whom I have listed here in chronological order:

  1. St Francis Xavier
  2. Max Weber
  3. Dr Ambedkar

Francis Xavier, the Spanish missionary, made a series of observations about Indians that are quite illuminating. It is obvious that he did not think too highly of Hinduism, but it is one particular interaction that I wish to draw your attention to – a conversation between Xavier and a group of Brahmins:

When Xavier asked a group of Brahmins to summarize what Hinduism stood for, he was told that their gods “required two duties of those who desired to go to them hereafter, one of which was to abstain from killing cows because under that form the gods were adored; the other was to show kindness to the Brahmins, who were the worshipers of the gods.”

Max Weber arrived at a similar conclusion when he stated:

“There is no universal ethic but only a status and professionally differentiated dharma according to caste”

The Religion of India the Sociology of Hinduism and Buddhism

Dr Ambedkar’s observations in his book The Riddles in Hinduism were identical to Weber’s. The very first chapter, The Difficulty in Knowing Who Is a Hindu, is centered around an attempt to define some common ethic or even creed that binds Hindus together. Ambedkar arrived at the conclusion that one is a Hindu precisely because one is born into the faith and not due to any universal ethic that binds individuals together under a set of agreed-upon moral rules.

Just as it is impossible to practice larceny in a culture that has no concept of private property, similarly it is impossible to practice intolerance in a culture that believes in nothing. I suspect this is the secret of Indian ‘tolerance.’ Tolerance can only be measured in opposition to what one cannot tolerate. The act of enduring what one cannot tolerate is in effect practicing tolerance. It is only in this context that tolerance acquires a moral quality. One however cannot practice tolerance when one subscribes to no real beliefs whose limits can be tested. The Indian approaches the world with extreme apathy and conflates his indifference for tolerance.

In conclusion, the difference between Confucianism and Hinduism can be observed in their differing worldviews despite some overlap in social conventions. Hinduism’s focus is on mystical objectives, as it dismisses reality as we understand it as illusionary. Confucianism’s focus is squarely on this world, and its chief emphasis is social and political harmony.

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217 responses to ““Hinduism Versus Confucianism: An Analysis and Comparison,” by Dota

  1. Talk to any Amway or MLM person and they will tell you that pyramids are the MOST stable of structures. Maybe it’s true but pyramid schemes are fucking evil and exploit people badly. MLM people also justify their greed with many logical reasons but it’s all BS ultimately.

    Sooner or later if society is going to evolve we will need to insure basic economic equality for all.

  2. At its worst Confucian values can be seen in Communist China’s indifference to Chinese peasants and the complete lack of regard Chinese in Southeast Asia have for indigenous workers.

    • Yee

      The author of this essay is good.

      And TRASH, Chinese peasants’s wellbeing is the responsibility of the communist party. The same goes for Southeast Asian workers, they’re the responsibility of their govt, not another enthic group of people. When are you going to be fair?

      They should use the power given to them to change the rules. Just like the Chinese govt do. A lot has been done for the peasants during last 20 years. Certainly more than the US govt has done for your working class.

      • YEE Filipinos are morons as CREADER stated. There is not much anybody can do with them except castrate the males at age 16, threaten to shoot them like Duterte if they get high, forbid alcohol, pay them a decent wage, outlaw gambling…you see my point.

        Filipinos are not exactly slaves of Chinese or Spanish half-breeds but they are such morons about life decisions that three choices consist of having no job in a shanty, a lousy job in America or slave wages for Chinese-Filipinos.

        Malays as I stated have a weak character-lying, stealing from their family, prostitution, adultery (I know this very well), gossip and just lack of creative desire,

        Confucian values prevent these things with Chinese. Addicts won’t steal from family. Parents stay together, though of course all Chinese men are cheats. Elderly are not forced to beg on the road because they have nothing. Relatives do not steal from one another.

        But of course Malays have a weak extended family structure and this is the biggest reason Filipinos end up sucking penises in a Norwegian bar because it pays better than working for a Chinese.

        • Jason Y

          Gossip is a big problem in small-town America. Not sure about the other stuff, but gossip can massive damage. So you got gossip in small-town America and this whole alpha-male thing going on.

      • YEE Malays are morons to be fair.

        I’ll quote the general who liberated the place and stated: (Let) the syndicate of Chinese half-breeds run it.

        Sorry, but I’m willing to bet the brightest are about 100-105 IQ and can be a nurse in Germany. Among millions of them, maybe there is one or two geniuses. I don’t know of any.

        Unlike other tropical people who are also morons, Filipinos are sort of weak of character. They gossip, lack self-discipline, will sell their vagina if they are female and their anus sometimes if male, are alcoholic a great deal, are impulsively violent braggarts and gossips, are natural-born unfaithful (Wives as well as men), steal, blah blah blah.

        Filipinos would not want a Lee Kwan Yew anyhow. They like their lying, stealing, corrupt politicians. In fact, without corruption the Filipino economy would be worse because they lack the intelligence to restructure it.

        • Jason Y

          If the Filipina wives are unfaithful then why do western men want them as trophy wives? Isn’t it western women who are unfaithful, hence the high divorce rate?

    • Lin

      “Communist China’s indifference to Chinese peasants”
      That’s BS given that the main difference between the Russian &Chinese revolution is that the latter is a peasant one and until recently there’s a Chinese saying agriculture is the basis of nation and Chinese agriculture subsidies are huge.. Sure china is still a 3rd world country and large rural pockets are still poor. Actually during the 70s and 80s, I read many city dwellers in china complain the gov paid to much attention to the country side.
      Any one utter such lines are basically ignorant of Chinese society

      • LIN Actually this is true: foreigners like me go to China for “Visa Runs” in the Eastern cities (HK personally) and meet dickhead Chinese migrants in Southeast Asia the rest of the time who stupidly assume that Chinese should run those places.

        • Jason Y

          It’s just Chinese supremacy. What about dickhead southern whites who think whites have a moral obligation to boss around blacks and when they cannot do so, they demand total separation from them?

          Chinese and Indians also have an uppity view of lower class US whites, believing they have a right to set up shop in rural areas, make money from the people, and at the same time see the locals as white trash idiots who should be thankful.

        • Jason Y

          Of course, if a certain group – Peckerwood Southern whites or Chinese – think they’re superior, then there going to believe they have a right, due to higher IQ, to own everything in another area, and boss everyone around as they please.

          Of course, having more money means to an extent they will be welcome in other areas cause the NAMS all want money, but they become a target of resentment of course.

        • Jason Y

          I encountered elitist peckerwood whites at my community college, there was even a particular family of them. These guys weren’t stupid as they were all studying to be engineers and I’m sure some of them were in the military. But they are the most vicious, cruel racists you could imagine, constantly bullying liberals and whoever they don’t like. They think the school belongs to them.

          Note, those are the types of asshole whites that liberals really hate. They’re the ones responsible for slavery, segregation, all that stuff. They are also the ones putting on the “Christian Label”. They’re kind of like the plantation elite.

        • Lin

          U’re sidetracking the issue

    • It is same right. Even elite hindus happily exploit those who don’t have money, and have to do labor, because they have no other options. Indian intelligentsia wants to keep everyone illiterate, but, they make sure that their own kids study in harvard/stanford/MIT, get a paper degree, so that they in turn can impose themselves.

      • Brian Damage

        Sorry but Indians are full of shit with nothing to show for.

        • BRAIN DAMAGE Actually my view is quite balanced. I’ve lived all over Asia most of my adult life because of the contempt and boredom I feel for Western society.

          I’m not impressed with poor rural whites in the Flyover whose notions of India or China are formed by some news stories.

          In order to have an opinion, you must walk the streets and use local prostitutes and hang around bars with locals in India or Singapore or Thailand.

  3. YEE

    Chinese-Filipinos like higher-earning whites cannot regulate the shitty behavior of the white underclass. Of note, Asian-American criminals like Italians break off early from the parents and sort of see crime the way a mercenary sees war: they are resigned to violence, jail and an early grave in middle-age without complain.

    Whites in the working class like Filipino Malays come from a broken family most of the time to begin with, which is to say Mom was none-too-bright and took up with some man who cared little what became of his one-night stand children. Often the guy was a drunk under the influence when sex was had. After a hangover he has no idea whose vagina he shot his load into.

    The white underclass will be a discipline problem in school and learn little. Filipinos of course, attend fairly awful schools which is why Chinese-Filipinos send their kids to better ones.

    Drugs come fairly early to the white underclass and Filipinos. Of course all races and classes use drugs (Including me) but Filipinos and poor whites will be smoking Meth by 15. For the next 30 years, or 40, they will be addicts to some degree or another.

    Poor in the US will spend more time in jail than Filipinos, which adds to the extent to which they cannot obtain a decent job.

    Sex also comes early and by 18 or 20 and with no qualifications the white underclass or Malay have children. Whether Dad hangs around, which is rare, or leaves which is more common, he can hardly support his children very well at 20 with no qualifications.

    So his kids grow up poor with some government assistance (American “working-class”) would be worse off than Filipinos if the government did not support them.

    The women will repeat the same lousy cycle of taking up with some loser or thug who would rather spend his cash in the prostitution house or the bar. Perhaps 1/3 of the women will try their hand at sex work (Especially in the Philippines).

    Why else would Fuji Chinese rule Southeast Asia except that Malays lack a Confucian family structure.

    When Filipino men are young they wander off to leave the pregnant wife single to support his children and when he is old (Filipino males do not really live long, not over 55 on average) he is left to shuffle the streets as a beggar with nothing because his sons do not give a shit about him…they barely knew him.

    Malays cannot run a business because they will rip off their own brothers, sisters, fathers, children. Chinese family cartels are fairly honest to one another which is probably because of Confucianism.

    This is not ALWAYS the case but often enough for Chinese family cartels to be running businesses.
    Being married to one I would have to say that Confucian adults do not leave their parents in filthy wards for the last ten years of their lives like whites.

    • Yee

      If there’a problem with the chiildren of the poorer class, why don’t your politicians kick away the rubbish LGBTs or BLMs and promote the importance of education? Like any sane person woul?

      • No educated white genius wants to be a street cop and those police who are smart graduate to detective fairly quickly so blacks will be shot by none-to-bright white and Asian-American males NOTE Co-operate and say “sir” to the dumb white asshole with a badge if you are innocent. He’ll move on quickly, satisfied of his petty authority and your innocence.

        Unlike China which is overpopulated but still makes being gay death-penalty crime, gays are not really a social problem. They never have kids and both partners work. If two males want to ram their penises in one another’s dirty rectums their entire life it is not really a problem for society (Well, except AIDS).

        As for education, people below a certain intelligence will not learn after level 5 or so. They can grasp enough to change a tire or perhaps wipe a woman’s ass in a hospital.

        • Jason Y

          As for education, people below a certain intelligence will not learn after level 5 or so. They can grasp enough to change a tire or perhaps wipe a woman’s ass in a hospital.

          I’d like to wipe a woman’s ass, but not with poop on it. 😆

        • Hotdog

          I feel landing a prestigious job has more to do with drive than being a genious, making a good name for yourself in your field has more meaning. Being a Dr. for example does not make one a good Doctor. Geniouses may be very good at a speciic function like counting how many toothpicks hit the ground and not be able to wipe their own ass. There’s a certain street smarts many lack without even knowing it. Having both genious and street smarts is ideal.

        • Lin

          “China which is overpopulated but still makes being gay death-penalty crime..”
          You’re lying. Homosexuality is NOT a crime in china
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
          I suggest to Robert Lindsay to ban Trash for repeated disinforming the posters here

        • Jason Y

          I don’t think Trash usually lies but he puts up a lot of information which is stereotypes. However, it is funny, but note sometimes the commenter Phil on here bashes me for no sources, but he gets off the hook. I guess cause he’s funny and I’m not. 😆

        • Ok but I will need more votes than that.

        • Optimus Prime

          I strongly vote not to ban trash. Ignore his observations if you don’t like. Most of the time he is very subjective he admits it may be wrong. As Jason said he’s passing stereotypes as argument but nonetheless he’s incredibly funny and civil for the most part. I haven’t seen him use gutter language like we do. How can one hate him really?

        • Trash has been giving baseless information repeatedly even after I point out his mistake. And now I dont even bother to reply many of his post.

          Few weeks back I really want see him leave but I dont really care about him these days.

          Having him around give us a view about a “patriotic and degenerated USA Jews”, having visceral hate on Chinese, not interested in facts.

          He also side with capitalist class, Russian Jewish Oligarch and vehemently defended the Jewish caste system on issues like Harvard College admission.

          I want everyone to see his pervert Jewish opinion.

          Its up to Robert if he wants to ban him. Keeping him and banning him are both fine for me.

        • Brian Damage

          Trash should not be banned. His info are usually half truths but his observations are quite good. He forms his opinions with lousy info and his narrow views but he is a pretty smart fellow and bang on in many things if you sift through the garbage. . If anyone should be banned, Magneto should be the one. But he is your guest blogger, so I will respect that.

        • To Jason,

          “However, it is funny, but note sometimes the commenter Phil on here bashes me for no sources, but he gets off the hook. I guess cause he’s funny and I’m not.😆”

          That’s because he’s speaks usually from impressions from his experiences in specific trends of social behavior rather than extrapolating them (like you do) to by and larger trends at least on matters that I can speak on that usually overlaps with science.

          When he does do that however it’s usually on matters that are too specific for me to comment on.

          Lets compare formats,

          J: “Hillbillies here do yadda yadda, therefore we can’t say yadda yadda about blacks.”
          “All the Hillbilly families here are involved in meth trade, so why should we focus on blacks?”
          “White nationalists are full of crap on stuff like mixed race people because the British are mixed.” (not the same type of mixed btw).

          T: “Living here for so-so years, White group A tends to do bla-bla while White group B complains about the Joos.”

          “Blacks and Hispanics do manly crime while white gangs lack the prowess to move up the food chain.”

          For examples on Asians you can’t pretty much see any recent comment. He speaks specifically from impressions of his experience, though that alone doesn’t make him free from criticism but limited criticism from my own knowledge.

        • Hotdog

          I propose a compromise. Since Trash blindly defends jews and tells half truths, perhaps a jewish symbol as an avatar would make him either tell the truth or make the group he would never side against look bad.

        • I propose a compromise. Since Trash blindly defends jews and tells half truths, perhaps a jewish symbol as an avatar would make him either tell the truth or make the group he would never side against look bad.

          I think the best solution would just be to refer to him as (((Trash))).

        • Jason Y

          Experience?

          My comments come from first-hand experience just like Trash’s do. Drug addicted whites have ripped our family off of thousands of dollars. Yet, Sam and other say I am supposed to treat with brotherly love simply cause it’s the same race. That’s easier said than done.

          Also, are you so certain Trash’s comments are not conflicting with science? I know they are with statistics, but then he tries to excuse by saying he’s speaking of criminals only, not the general population, but it just it doesn’t seem that way when he is saying it.

        • Jason Y

          Well, actually, a lot of the stuff Trash says about Joos is correct. Most of the WN crap about them is false. OK, Joos were not responsible for slavery and Jim Crow, southern elite families were and are still responsible for NAM misery. Joos also do not bear direct responsibility for the fact that Joe Anglo Jerkoff in Kansas wants to watch Czech peasant girls get a black cock stuffed up their ass. 😆 Joos are not responsible for the evils of globalization. For instance, nobody forces anyone to buy at Wal-Mart.

        • Jason Y

          Oh, nobody forces Anglos to use credit cards which lead to a global collapse and will probably lead to another. Joos are certainly not to blame.

          Where does human responsibility begin, especially when dealing with adults? Now compare that to the crimes of the southern elite, for instance, who went to Africa, bought black slaves, and then later for 100 years after slavery, made their lives miserable with Jim Crow and police brutality. Now there is so much free choice with your credit cards or porn, but there isn’t with slavery or a police state.

        • “Experience?

          My comments come from first-hand experience just like Trash’s do. Drug addicted whites have ripped our family off of thousands of dollars. Yet, Sam and other say I am supposed to treat with brotherly love simply cause it’s the same race. That’s easier said than done.”

          I never said that yours wasn’t experience, my point is how it is used to make a point. Also, where did Sam ever say that?

          “Also, are you so certain Trash’s comments are not conflicting with science? I know they are with statistics, but then he tries to excuse by saying he’s speaking of criminals only, not the general population, but it just it doesn’t seem that way when he is saying it.”

          By conflicting with science, I mean using anecdotes AGAINST data. If he seems inconsistent in his generalizations, show me with one of his comments.

          But for a more detailed analysis, see my response to your reply on Jewish Slavery to see my point.

          In short, Trash talks about experiences and argues with others within that realm, not trying to use said experience over data.

        • “Well, actually, a lot of the stuff Trash says about Joos is correct. Most of the WN crap about them is false.”

          Proof?

          “OK, Joos were not responsible for slavery and Jim Crow, southern elite families were and are still responsible for NAM misery.”

          Hotdog’s point was contributed participation and significance in owning, NOT “starting”. Second, where do you even prove they didn’t anyhow?

          Second, Hotdog said nothing about Jim Crow. Still responsible, how?

          “Joos also do not bear direct responsibility for the fact that Joe Anglo Jerkoff in Kansas wants to watch Czech peasant girls get a black cock stuffed up their ass.😆”

          Irrelevant?

          “Joos are not responsible for the evils of globalization. For instance, nobody forces anyone to buy at Wal-Mart.”

          Nice investigation, glad that’s cleared up.

        • “Where does human responsibility begin, especially when dealing with adults? Now compare that to the crimes of the southern elite, for instance, who went to Africa, bought black slaves, and then later for 100 years after slavery, made their lives miserable with Jim Crow and police brutality. Now there is so much free choice with your credit cards or porn, but there isn’t with slavery or a police state.”

          Again, your notes on “southern elite” ignores the points on the major participations of Jews with Historical statistics provided. Second, he said nothing on Jim Crow.

          As for that, if you actually think it only came from “Southern Elite” motivations you would be wrong.

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/negros-in-negroland-a-fascinating-book/

          Read what Robert said of the South during this stage of Reconstruction. The reaction was so bad, this former abolitionist was forced to write this book.

          Now, of course Jim crow was horrible but that doesn’t justify simply hand waving actions “out of evil”.

        • Jason Y

          Jews did not constitute the major fighting force of the Civil War on either side. Jews were never the majority in the south by a long shot, so how could they have used government and economic forces to keep blacks in slavery or to maintain any other oppression?

          Possibly David Duke and others are bringing up the fact a few Jewish families owned blacks or a few or a lot participated in the slave trade, which wouldn’t be surprising given Jewish wealth. However, it ignores the fact of free-will as is always done by WNs. The Jews didn’t put some spell on certain white Christians to force them to do the things I mentioned in the first paragraph.

        • “Jews did not constitute the major fighting force of the Civil War on either side. Jews were never the majority in the south by a long shot, so how could they have used government and economic forces to keep blacks in slavery or to maintain any other oppression?”

          And people who held slave, oir ran major plantations, were never the majority either yet they had influence. The same could be applied to your elites.

          Again, see his statistics regarding Jewish Slave holding.

          “Possibly David Duke and others are bringing up the fact a few Jewish families owned blacks or a few or a lot participated in the slave trade, which wouldn’t be surprising given Jewish wealth. However, it ignores the fact of free-will as is always done by WNs. The Jews didn’t put some spell on certain white Christians to force them to do the things I mentioned in the first paragraph.”

          Spell on what, you mean that stuff on porn and credit Cards? Those topics were pedantic to my point, how your points on the “Southern elites” bared now refutation to Hotdog’s contention on Jewish involvement in the Slave Trade.

          Again, go back to what he actually said.

    • Yee

      Of course we cannot abandon our parents when they get old, because they supported you for your whole life, not just until 18 or college graduation. They keep saving money in case some time in life you’ll need help.

      Start saving money, TRASH, children are for life.

      • Western governments to manage to pension plans and retirement funds slightly better than Asia which somewhat eases the burden of adult children in the last 10-15 years of elderly life.

        • Yee

          Are you sure? I think our pension plan is not too bad.
          China’s state-run pension fund requires you pay 8% of your salary and 12% from your employer for a minimun of 15 years. When men reach 60 wowen 55, they can receive pension which amount close to half of the average salary of current market(about twice the minimum one). But this various, some pay longer than15 years and they get more. The retirees lives quite well, bringing in big business for travel agencies.

          Of course, many privite employers do everything they can to avoid paying, so a lot of peasant workers are not in. But then, they don’t care much about this, because they most likely not staying long in one place. City residents usually insist they have it. The peasants get screwed again.

        • Brian Damage

          It is a beneficiary of post colonial era. Go read pre WW1 and tell me if you system is perfect.

    • Jason Y

      I see some holes in your argument. In South Korea, which isn’t plagued by Filipina problems, prostitution is on every corner.

      In fact, the ads are often funny like, if you see barbershop with two twirly poles and not one, then it’s a green light for being a house of prostitution. 😆

      Anyhow, sex work is big in Korea and also Japan despite the fact the economy is 1st world or semi-1st world.

      • Jason Y

        Also, they have these cards which are thrown on things and on the street advertising hookers in South Korea near every love hotel, which are numerous and only cost 30 dollars a night, but it may be less, I cannot remember. And you even get free computer usage, not just with a laptop, all night.

        • Korean women are horny, Lord bless them.

          Having had sex with Asian women both free and for money from Dubai to India to Philippines to Seoul to Thailand I’d be hypocritical to decry.

      • It pays well and Asians lack the capacity for moral hypocrisy.

  4. YEE Fuji-Chinese can subsidize the Philippines entirely and GOOD RIDDANCE to Filipino Mestizos and Malays.

    Enjoy your South America, we already have one.

  5. Lin

    “The societies of India and China have been structured along feudal lines for much of recorded history”
    Such statement is problematic.
    If one means classical feudalism with large number of feudal lords dictating local affairs, that was mostly gone with the First Emperor’s unification. The term ‘Feudalism’ as lamented by early 20th century Chinese intellectuals actually referred to confucist moral orthodoxy, patriarchy and misogyng. Some important facts:
    –The emperors couldn’t stand other power centres except his own.
    — Confucism needs administration and usually means that of the central gov.It was quite different from that of traditional Hinduism that hindu society is/was atomized that as long as local caste system is observed, lives will get by.
    Some facets:
    –The Ming dynasty founding emperor tried to re-enact the feudal system by giving land and title and armies to his sons and grandsons. His successor,one of his grandson couldn’t stand that and his abolishment of his uncles’ lordship led to 3yrs of bloody civil war.
    –Nobility titles in the Qing(the last)dynasty usually could only inherit for 3 generations.

    • China and India never really had a feudal system as whites know it until Britain showed up.

      Both populations are diverse-Manchus and so-called Aryan Indian showing up from Russia/Mongolia/Siberia to become the ruling class.

      Hinduism has more emphasis on extended family/tribe/genetics while Chinese had a classic administration.

      • Lin

        The last time (before moughals and british conquest) north india(yes,only the northern part) was unified happened under king Ashoka and the wheel on the india flag is NOT the home spun wheel of Gandhi but the emblem of King Ashoka. Ancient bharat was worse than feudalism. It is called disunity or fragmentation. The hindu Brahmins couldn’t care less because their local caste superiority was most important to him. The ideal of every things under heaven(ie Chinese wold)subjected to the emperor’s rule was central to confucist teaching

  6. Jason Y

    I think Hinduism and Confucian provide order in a society. Possibly at one time these societies were plagued with disorder like Filipino society is now, However, Hinduism hasn’t corrected all of the Indian society, but has just shielded high IQ groups from low IQ groups. Confucism has probably done the same in Northeast Asia, but Northeast Asia, at least until the recent arrival of money, has been plagued with problems like the Phillippines has

    Note some corruption problems still exist in South Korea and probably Taiwan.

  7. In all fairness to Filipinos in the United States, they are not the major Asian criminals.

    • Jason Y

      Possibly cause they’re afraid of rape. They are pretty small people. I remember picking a woman up there like a baby and I’m not very big myself.

  8. Hey Robert

    Thanks very much for running this. It’s been too long since I contributed here.

  9. ROBERT China changed the laws regarding homosexuality in the late 90’s. So I’m wrong.

    As for being “banned” by Asian posters who often address me with childish and crude profanity, well.

    • ASIAN POSTERS & BANNING

      Chinese cannot be dissuaded from believing that the world should resemble Southeast Asia with a nice Chinese strangle over the economy while Indians resent Brahmin.

      I’ve lived in Asia for so many years that I know the routine.

      • Jason Y

        Wasn’t it once Western Europeans with the same idea? At one time they colonized Africa, Asia, Latin America, Oceania, The Middle East etc. Why are people so up in arms China wants to do the same because they can? But there is a dark side to colonization and the Chinese won’t get away with it with less pain than Western Europeans did.

  10. DEAR ASIANS

    If Jews gave you a world to run it would go straight down the tubes like Indonesia or ex-British colonies.

    Vote to ban that.

    • Yee

      This is a blog for BS, not an academic publication.
      Shouldn’t ban anyone if he didn’t violate Rebort’s rules. Let’s just trade BS, everything will be fine.

      • YEE

        All of my opinions might be wrong.

        I’m not of the Jewish faith and anybody can say anything about Germany that want to as my family has lived in North America for almost 100 years.

      • YEE

        Filipinos seem unimpressed with Americans and having them as the ruling elite of Philippines and nobody complains about the Chinese so perhaps everything I have said is wrong.

        It is the fact that some white male who has spent years, decades, in Asia and is expresses an opinion with some insight that infuriates CREADERS.

    • Yee

      And the world is shitty enough now, TRASH, I don’t think anyone can make it shittier, not even the Chinese.

  11. YEE

    To be COMPLETELY FAIR to China it is the losers that whites tend to encounter in Southeast Asia or Dubai or a Chinatown who had nothing going for them in China. Males hoping to get hired by other Chinese in their family association or career prostitutes.

    I’ve lived most of my adult life overseas since 1999.

    So however you feel about my the validity of my opinions, they are predicated on a firsthand interpretation and NOT some white guy watching low-budget old Hong Kong crime films or BLUE KITE or reading THE JOY LUCK CLUB or using prostitutes.

    In fact, I am married to a Chinese woman.

  12. YEE To be fair I am married to a woman of Chinese descent and live in Asia.

    Mine is not the ignorance of a round-eye who lives in Kansas watching old Chow Fat HK gangster films.

  13. Yee

    Alright, we’ve mde ouselves clear now, let’s find something to argue about again. That’s what we are here for, right?

  14. ruhkukah

    Asceticism was a pretty big part of Japanese and Chinese, though, too. Right? Like Buddhist monks and all?

  15. Or Roman Catholicism or Islam or gasp! Orthodox Jews.

  16. Physically-speaking, Asians and Jews and Northern Europeans mature slower.

    NAMS are adult at 16-having babies, selling drugs, obsessed with money, drinking in bars, pimping and prostituting.

    Poor whites also tend to physically mature faster and as a result are defiant towards authority, fare poorly in high school, leave home to hitchhike around at 16. There is also the early drug use.

    Jews, Asians and Northern Europeans are still children at 16. As a result by the time they become sexually active, casually using drugs, leave home and make all the adult decisions that determine your living standard they are far into their 20’s.

    Everybody knows those college potheads who start getting high at 18 or 20 but by the time they start puffing or snorting their brain is fully developed.

    By then, the NAM or poor white has numerous drug arrests, 2 children, a drug habit stretching back to his mid-teens, no qualifications, has been in the Sports bars or Clubs for 10 years, brawling.

    Bottom line?

    And at the end of it…Jews are to blame. They are to blame for seizing the economy (Ford in fact invented the factory and Sam Walton a druggist invented globalism).

  17. STATISTICS Jews and Asians and certain Northern European groups have a few points on IQ tests.

    It makes sense that even their criminals are more sophisticated and organized than Bloods or MS-13 who have to rely entirely on street drugs sales.

    Also they mature slower so by the time a Jewish female has made the decision to be a porn star she is 25 as oppose to the black female who reaches sexual maturity at 15 and has 3 kids at 20.

    Bio-social-psychological statistical analyses are beyond my own limited intelligence, sadly.

  18. JASON Y WHERE DOES PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY BEGIN?

    Is Ron Jeremy a porn-addict?

    Does Al Chapo have AIDS from shooting heroin?

    China MADE Sam Walton manufacture in China and send every downtown merchant into bankruptcy thus plunging entire towns into poverty as non-union minimum wage employees are unable to get a decent job because WAL-MART wiped them all out?

    • Jason Y

      The vast majority of people, ordinary people didn’t give a shit, all thru the 90s, the first Wal-Mart decade, they stormed into Wal-Mart’s stores making the company rich. That reminds me of this South Park episode where these leftists were protesting Wal-Mart, and the little brat kids on there were making the point that people like Wal-Mart despite the horror stories given by anti-globalists. They like it cause it’s cheap and it’s convenient.

      • JASON Y

        Northern States lacked the industrial base to attract Jews (Or Irish or Germans or Italians or Poles) until the EARLY 20th CENTURY.

        Half the Northern States belonged to Canada until 1830.

        So Jews did not arrive in the U.S. in time for the Civil War in great numbers.

  19. JASON Y PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY MORE EXAMPLES

    Bicarbonate soda…you steal from your sister or take another man’s semen up your rectum or suck his penis to SMOKE bicarbonate soda!!! mixed with cocaine. It’s all Al Pacino’s fault, some greedy little Latin fiend.

    No coincidence that Russians, Asians, Jews have a higher IQ now is it?

    What does the Jew or Asian do when NAMS insult him? He knows the NAM will be back on his cheap PAY-TO-OWN couch drinking cheap .40 OZ or ditch-weed or crack in Section 8 projects…Only the RURAL WHITE obsesses over the African.

    • Jason Y

      The rural white might not really give a shit about blacks as they claim they don’t. It’s only this certain group of educated southern elites which seems to get off the most on southern racist sadism, and of course, they have a few cheerleaders among the poor class, you usually see them posting redneck Facebook memes, like “I marched for my college tuition about 8 miles every day in the army 😆 “

      • Jason Y

        I’d say most poor southern whites don’t care about blacks. They don’t cross their mind much. The massive obsession with racism seems to come from these dickheads that you see at these community colleges and state universities, normally in the engineering classes etc..

        The racism and homophobia is over-the-top with these guys. They all seem to come from these sort of ultra-competitive Top Gun kinds of families. Possibly their dad was a military something or another, and I can testify from my own family, that these military guys don’t like NAMS particularly blacks. Possibly the military itself made them that way plus the elitist and ultra-conservative culture.

        They have a twin in Latin America with the Latin American elites which are just like them.

        • Jason Y

          Yeah, southern cops, high-IQ southern racist youth at colleges, military guys etc.. they all constitute the racist southern elite. They have the least compassion for NAMS, even though it seems like the poorest whites hate NAMS the most.

          Well, for one thing, I think the elitist whites are rich (compared to poor whites) and so they don’t have much real human contact with NAMS. They live secluded away in some rich house in the countryside or in some middle-class neighborhood.

        • Men and women in the 20’s attending State colleges have time to care about this?

          No wonder the South is a backwater.

        • An Engineering student at a State College who is 22 years old obsesses over NAMS smoking baking soda on their stoops in the ghettos of some city.

        • So you suggest that an ethnocentric, deterministic, detached elite are the ones that have influence in Latin America and the U.S South?

          Alright, you do understand that’s basically what is claimed on the Jewish elite on top of actual documentation up to the present with their involvement in various activities can be traced to them, let alone anecdotes like the ones you assert?

          If you believe they aren’t responsible for certain actions that’s fine, however for more Globally relevant ones you haven’t comprehensibly refuted?

        • WHY DON’T NAMS CARE IN THE NORTH IF ITALIANS AND SLAVS IN NEW JERSEY DRIVE AROUND WASTING EACH OTHER IN GANG WARS?

          Beyond a wet hole or a customer or cop NAMS don’t give a single bloody shit about whites. They known nothing about Bolsheviks or Trotsky or Rome or any other aspect of White History.

          Even Mestizos know little about Columbus, Spain, Andalusia and the Moors. They don’t give a shit about their OWN WHITE HISTORY.

          Koreans do not care about Jews, how much they earn, if they own porn companies.

          No…It is only the poor dumb Anglo in the Flyover with his vague memories of a country that he once owned who obsesses on those who do not give a shit about him.

        • Jason Y

          An Engineering student at a State College who is 22 years old obsesses over NAMS smoking baking soda on their stoops in the ghettos of some city.

          I think the students are just being dicks. It sort of goes along with the whole hypermasculine competitive military-style culture. They must have absorbed a bit too much from their military dad during bonding time.

        • Jason Y

          So you suggest that an ethnocentric, deterministic, detached elite are the ones that have influence in Latin America and the U.S South?

          Bingo !!

        • To Trash,

          Are you referring to me about Jason’s point on elites?

          Regarding your examples, they can be broken down to them being incompatible examples or the fact that Jews are overall more situated in the West.

          As for NAMS not given a shit about whites, the trend in identity politics in constructing a “culprit” would say otherwise.

        • To Jason, please read the rest of my comment.

        • Jason Y

          These two monkeys would sit in this math class I had, calling me a nigger, telling me I suck, but not to my face. See they’re cowards. At least the tom-girl I was telling you about at least said stuff to my face. Those two guys would giggle around, but when encountered they all act polite like they never did anything mean to me. I ignored all that stuff, but I’m not deaf.

          Surely enough one those bastards was in Calculus III with me about a year or so later. I’m sure now he’s going to some engineering school. Too bad I can’t heckle his graduation.

        • Jason Y

          Alright, you do understand that’s basically what is claimed on the Jewish elite on top of actual documentation up to the present with their involvement in various activities can be traced to them, let alone anecdotes like the ones you assert?

          If you believe they aren’t responsible for certain actions that’s fine, however for more Globally relevant ones you haven’t comprehensibly refuted?

          I think it’s exaggerated. Well, I cannot refute all of it right now, But already with the Civil War thing, as I explained in another comment, there wasn’t enough Jews to possibly do the slavery damage that David Duke claims they did.

          Possibly Jews have a chip on their shoulder. They might even be using Civil Rights etc. for a selfish motive, but again, they have always lacked the power than WNs claim they have.

        • Jason Y

          As for NAMS not given a shit about whites, the trend in identity politics in constructing a “culprit” would say otherwise.

          You got a point and the identity politics does like to pit the poor white man against blacks, but I feel the detached educated southern elite that hates blacks and other NAMS far worse. Also, this detached elite has always been able to do the most damage to NAMS because they are typically middle-class.

        • “I think it’s exaggerated.”

          Yet what puts your contention above such claims?

          ” Well, I cannot refute all of it right now, But already with the Civil War thing, as I explained in another comment, there wasn’t enough Jews to possibly do the slavery damage that David Duke claims they did.”

          Proof by statistics like Hotdog provided?

          “Possibly Jews have a chip on their shoulder. They might even be using Civil Rights etc. for a selfish motive, but again, they have always lacked the power than WNs claim they have.”

          Lack they power?! Jason…you who rants about Southern Elites’ deeds in the South finds it inconceivable that the same was done my a a group of people with Historical merchant success and similar claims attached to them as you have with your own elite anecdotes.

          Do I even need to remind you of their representation in Media Outlet ownership?

          Could the power be exaggerated, sure, but to say they lack any power is quite a stretch.

        • Jason Y

          It could be the case where the role of Jews in Civil Rights and liberalism is exaggerated greatly and a lot of the new-found kindness by whites is possible because whites have become kinder due to the modern age.

          Anyone agree? I mean white people aren’t by nature devils. Come on. There is some heart there, even without Jewish liberal propaganda.

        • “You got a point and the identity politics does like to pit the poor white man against blacks, but I feel the detached educated southern elite that hates blacks and other NAMS far worse. Also, this detached elite has always been able to do the most damage to NAMS because they are typically middle-class.”

          Middle class=/= elites. At that point you are talking about a culture.

          Also, how much they “hate” doesn’t necessarily equal with damage as that would be more closely associated with disregard and greed.

        • “It could be the case where the role of Jews in Civil Rights and liberalism is exaggerated greatly and a lot of the new-found kindness by whites is possible because whites have become kinder due to the modern age.”

          That seems likely. BTW context to white “hate”. Hate in terms of ethnocentric despise what mostly what was felt by the those competing with NAMs.

          In terms of what was promoted as a prototype of civil right feelings actually closer to patronizing sentiments, basically Librel Racism as Robert explained in the past.

          Key word is promoted, what was actually felt was likely closer to fear in the general public and hate as you described with Elites.

          “Anyone agree? I mean white people aren’t by nature devils. Come on. There is some heart there, even without Jewish liberal propaganda.”

          Likely.

        • Jason Y

          http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/17711/jewish-slave-owners-in-the-united-states

          In the pre-Civil War United States 2% of white gentile households owned slaves. 40% of Jewish households owned slaves. Jews were 2000% more likely to own slaves than white gentiles.

          OK, HOWEVER:

          http://thejewishchronicle.net/bookmark/15156092-Jews-in-the-Civil-War-were-Union-and-Confederate

          At the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, Jewish family loyalties mirrored what occurred throughout the United States where brother fought against brother. Jews also found themselves on opposite sides of the battlefield. Out of 150,000 Jews in the United States at the outbreak of war, estimates are that 6,700 fought on the side off the Union, and 3,000 for the Confederacy. It is thought 600 Jews died in battle.

          Read more: The Jewish Chronicle – Jews in the Civil War were Union and Confederate

          Gentiles fought for the war. Jews were not the main people fighting on either side. The attractiveness of the southern economy caused southern gentile men to CHOOSE to fight out of FREE-WILL. It also caused them to generally defend it and hold their honor by it before the Civil War and to defend Jim Crow after it.

          Southen gentiles loved slavery. Who are we kidding here? Cause they were this detached elite I was talking about or poor people being bought out by them.

        • Jason Y

          Isn’t it ironic the KKK hates Jews when the Confederate Army they love so much was totally committed to the preservation of slavery of which 40 percent of owners were Jewish? How funny. 😆

        • Jason Y

          But then again, 40 percent of Jewish families owned slaves, but Jews didn’t comprise a lot of the southern population.

        • http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-16/soros-hack-reveals-plot-behind-europes-refugee-crisis-media-funding-and-manipulation

          Jews behind Islamization of white man.

          Meanwhile Jews is also behind feminism, gay, porn…etc.

          However, Jews never push for such fuck things in Israel. I respect Jews if they lobby open door policy to Jerusalem.

          The most lucky thing China has is not having any Jews among our elites (other than HK which is screwed).

        • “Gentiles fought for the war. Jews were not the main people fighting on either side. The attractiveness of the southern economy caused southern gentile men to CHOOSE to fight out of FREE-WILL. It also caused them to generally defend it and hold their honor by it before the Civil War and to defend Jim Crow after it.”

          What you say here is irrelevant to the major Jewish involvement in Slave owning or slavery which you have shown to be disproportionate by families, the original point.

          “Southern gentiles loved slavery. Who are we kidding here? Cause they were this detached elite I was talking about or poor people being bought out by them.”

          OKAY, now look at those percentages again on who own slaves in each group and figure out by the two scenarios of enlisting you just described who be more applicable to the GENERAL south.

          With that added, those number also didn’t account for the different percentages of Jews that lived in the North and South.

          Also, you are using to different concepts. “Southern Gentiles” and “Southern Elites” are two different things.

          “But then again, 40 percent of Jewish families owned slaves, but Jews didn’t comprise a lot of the southern population.”

          Which emphasizes sizes the point on their prominence.

        • Jews fuck up Weimar Germany, until Hitler come and kick them, and at that time, “Trash”‘s granddaddy decide to flee his life to USA.

        • HornedGod

          TRASH So only poor dumb Anglo in the Flyover know actual History and the rest are ignorant. Gotcha.

  20. In the North it is every man and group for itself.

  21. CREADERS Why would a Singaporean Chinese be obsessed with Jews?

    • Why a Jew like you hate Chinese?

      I am interested in truth.

      I find puzzling so few research touching on Jewish influence on Weimar Germany economics and meanwhile I see Jews keep bragging they are over-represented in Weimar elite professions like doctors, banks and professors.

      Since the elite class is Jews as Jews have bragged, then YOU GUYS are responsible for all economic malaise, especially when Hitler is able to restore full employment just 2 years he ascend.

      Meanwhile I would say evidence are not conclusive yet. The lesson is dont brag too much.

      The guy above say he do God work as he create ponzi, scam to steal from USA peasant.

    • White Privilege or Jewish Privilege ?

      The Jewish dominated media is constantly ranting about so-called “white privilege” in America, yet in the most important universities of America, the very institutions which form the very foundation of the American elite, non-Jewish European Americans are by far the most underrepresented group of all.

      Jews rigged everything including college admission that are suppose to be base on academic meritocracy.

      Jews go by back door into Harvard with their fuck up high school results, and got into well paid job, claiming they deserve it simply because they from Harvard.

      Then they told everyone else deserve to be loser because Jews have higher IQ.

  22. CREADERS I HAD TO DO BUSINESS WITH FUJI IDIOTS IN THE PHILIPPINES. Lord help us if you turn the world into a Philippines.

    USA peasants are, for the most part, morons from the middle of the U.S. with considerable Native American genes.

  23. CREADERS My own opinions are formed by years of living in Asian countries.

    My suspicion is that you have not spent a great deal of time in the U.S. and your opinions are formed by some internet surfing.

  24. CREADERS

    If you ever left Southeast Asia in your entire life, I’d be amazed.

  25. Jason Y

    Again the whole Civil War thing discussed is “The Devil made me do it” repeated. OK, the Jews may have a heavy hand in the slave trade, possibly they owned a lot of slaves in proportion to their population, but the fact remains that the southern gentile population bought the slaves, profited heavily from them, and fought to defend slavery.

    Later these same people wouldn’t deport the blacks but rather kept them as peasants under a Jim Crow system, again profiting from them (at some point after they recovered from the war.)

    So who are the real sadists here? The Jews? The southern educated elite?

    • Jason Y

      It’s all just like the porn thing. Did the Joos make some jerkoff in Anglo country buy porn, hence making the porn company rich?

      Finally, looking at slavery and the USA, notice the whole debate about slavery in US history never mentions Jews. Neither the southern slave-owners nor the abolitionists mention them once. If Jews played such a big deal, then wouldn’t some educated people bring up the subject? Especially considering there was no political correctness or Jewish control of the media back then. Hmmmm ?? 😆

    • “Again the whole Civil War thing discussed is “The Devil made me do it” repeated. OK, the Jews may have a heavy hand in the slave trade, possibly they owned a lot of slaves in proportion to their population, but the fact remains that the southern gentile population bought the slaves, profited heavily from them, and fought to defend slavery.”

      And where was that argued against?

      “Later these same people wouldn’t deport the blacks but rather kept them as peasants under a Jim Crow system, again profiting from them (at some point after they recovered from the war.)”

      Where did the financial profit from Segregation, that would be an enforcement of lifestyle.

      “So who are the real sadists here? The Jews? The southern educated elite?”

      Again see my point with Negroes In Negroland for the actual motivation against integration, this goes with my point of you breaking things down into “sadism” with the Southern Elite.

      BTW, if you want to talk about a segregated society and abuse look at Israeli-Palestinian relations.

      “It’s all just like the porn thing. Did the Joos make some jerkoff in Anglo country buy porn, hence making the porn company rich?”

      Your point would work only if the point was coercion, rather the argument is based in terms of promoting demoralization .

      “Finally, looking at slavery and the USA, notice the whole debate about slavery in US history never mentions Jews. Neither the southern slave-owners nor the abolitionists mention them once. If Jews played such a big deal, then wouldn’t some educated people bring up the subject? Especially considering there was no political correctness or Jewish control of the media back then. Hmmmm ?? 😆”

      That proves nothing, as one could also bring up the lack of mention of Black Slave owners but that doesn’t diminish their actual prominence.

      You are confusing what was discussed versus what was on record, as the whole point of the War itself wasn’t just Slavery but the actual economic future of America which was at the time the Agricultural South Versus the Industrial North which would lead to consequence in lifestyle modes, which would automatically included black-white relations of the general public to be an interest of the South.

      That, still, doesn’t by itself justifies handwaving Jewish involvement in the Slavery.

      • Jason Y

        Jews didn’t force the elite class to own slaves. They gladly did it with enthusiasim due to profit. Slavery was behind the Civil War because it became an economic threat to the north.

        Black slaveholders are massively irrelevant as their numbers were probably way less than Black Republicans are now.

        You mentioned people profited from enforcement of segregation. Yes, they did and also from sharecropping and prison convict labor. So again, it seems they wanted to keep them around for a profit. Or it may have been a situation where they couldn’t send them back to Africa, so they decided to exploit the situation for profit. They do the same now in regards to the criminal justice system.

        Two wrongs don’t make a right. So Israel is segregated. What the hell does that matter? I never said I favored it. They have nothing to do with anything as they aren’t forcing integration on Americans. Jews aren’t forcing integration on Americans either. It’s a product of a modern way of thinking. See, people don’t live in the days of Colonel Sanders anymore, lol, except the educated southern elite of course.

        Imagine segregation nowadays and how stupid it would look.

        • Jason Y

          Notice also that people have taken to integration with little resistance, but gay rights is something that may never take hold in the US. It’s because it isn’t the same thing as racial integration. A lot of religious people think being gay and transgendered is wrong and I doubt if they will ever gain rights, not even in 3000 or 4000 AD.

          So I think a lot of the integration stuff may have been pushed by Jews, but it was something more due to the modern age and enlightened thinking. Just like in the 19th-century people began to have moral qualms about slavery and the abolitionist movement came into being.

          Note, only psychos, educated southern elitist types and a few really ignorant poor white types, are racist anyway in this modern age.

      • “Jews didn’t force the elite class to own slaves. They gladly did it with enthusiasim due to profit. Slavery was behind the Civil War because it became an economic threat to the north.”

        And where did I deny that? My point was again was the handwaving of Jewish involvement.

        “Black slaveholders are massively irrelevant as their numbers were probably way less than Black Republicans are now.”

        That depends on how condense they were, meaning you would be right is they were scattered anomaly but that wasn’t the case.

        http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

        “You mentioned people profited from enforcement of segregation. Yes, they did and also from sharecropping and prison convict labor. So again, it seems they wanted to keep them around for a profit.”

        Sources? Also, how would either of those not exist under without segregation as that was more of a factor of their economic position?

        “Or it may have been a situation where they couldn’t send them back to Africa, so they decided to exploit the situation for profit. They do the same now in regards to the criminal justice system.”

        Okay, now you are not being consistent with the process/motivations.

        “Two wrongs don’t make a right. So Israel is segregated. What the hell does that matter? I never said I favored it. They have nothing to do with anything as they aren’t forcing integration on Americans. Jews aren’t forcing integration on Americans either. It’s a product of a modern way of thinking. See, people don’t live in the days of Colonel Sanders anymore, lol, except the educated southern elite of course.”

        NO, you are not getting the point. You used Jim Crow as evidence of Sadism, so I used Israel’s Apartheid as an equivalent.

        You say they aren’t forcing integration on Americans, that would be hypocritical to you admitting how they were behind the Civil Rights movements, for less than honorable reasons (your words, not mine), and situations such as White Flight occurring.

        Not only that, but their promotion of anti-racism but their societal framework in Palestine is sheer hypocrisy, so I’m sure by your standards it should count. Your point that’s it’s not American relevant doesn’t hold up with America’s support of Israel and the fact that you have repeatedly alluded to South American elites, so how is this different?

        “Imagine segregation nowadays and how stupid it would look.

        “Notice also that people have taken to integration with little resistance,”

        And that perception means no repercussions. See Rob’s “White California” post.

        “but gay rights is something that may never take hold in the US. It’s because it isn’t the same thing as racial integration. A lot of religious people think being gay and transgendered is wrong and I doubt if they will ever gain rights, not even in 3000 or 4000 AD.”

        Okay this is pedantic.

        “So I think a lot of the integration stuff may have been pushed by Jews, but it was something more due to the modern age and enlightened thinking. Just like in the 19th-century people began to have moral qualms about slavery and the abolitionist movement came into being.”

        Okay now we are getting somewhere. Yes, altruism did grow but integration but wanting the specific urge to be with other people and wanting the best for them are two different things.

        Is the Freedom itself wrong, of course not but how it’s promotion and hierarchy as value interfered with freedom of association and function causes issues.

        “Note, only psychos, educated southern elitist types and a few really ignorant poor white types, are racist anyway in this modern age.”

        Define racist. Based on what I infer from your definition, that would be quite limiting of the type of people with issues with modern race relations.

    • https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/is-israel-an-apartheid-state/

      This and articles tagged as similar below this one would be a good start to see the parallels of the type you disdain.

      • I have some sympathy about Israel that letting in Arab Sunni Islamo would create a shit hole of out Israel. Jews knew Arabs well.

        Unfortunately, fully aware of the atrocious Sunni shit mind, the Jews are unleashing mass migration of Sunni to Europe.

        While the front person is Merkel, but when ALL white man media sink in tune to flood Europe with Sunni and white media are controlled to a large extend by Jewish elites, one cannot help but think of conspiracy.

        On the other hand, there is so many fucking Synagogue in white man land, and how come so few are targeted by suicide bombers?

      • Jason Y

        White nationalists don’t really give a flying fuck about Palestinians, only as “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Colored people of the past in the US were segregated and they were all for it. Those people looked just like Palestinians, at least some of them, or even darker.

      • To Jason, my point was that you used Jim Crow as evidence of Sadism. So what do you say to the shit Robert points out?

        • Jason Y

          You’re saying the sadism is a reaction to how they behave. But only ghetto blacks nowadays behave like monkeys. So the WNs now and the educated southern elite are basically trying to say ALL blacks are ghetto blacks.

          Plus, what’s the point in being an asshole, even ALL blacks were ghetto blacks. It doesn’t make things better. It’s just a stupid bonehead macho attitude and it’s an excuse to bully liberals etc.., whoever they don’t like.

        • “You’re saying the sadism is a reaction to how they behave. But only ghetto blacks nowadays behave like monkeys.”

          One, “ghetto blacks” didn’t always live in the ghetto. Two, the South has rural towns that can act as proxies with such an underclass.

          Three, and you haven’t answered my question, why does Israel count?

          “So the WNs now and the educated southern elite are basically trying to say ALL blacks are ghetto blacks.”

          While all would be an exaggeration, assuming this is the precise contention, their underlying point would still be supported by the evidence of a significant amount of said population being and issue.

          “Plus, what’s the point in being an asshole, even ALL blacks were ghetto blacks. It doesn’t make things better. It’s just a stupid bonehead macho attitude and it’s an excuse to bully liberals etc.., whoever they don’t like.”

          Okay, you are talking more about their attitude more than the validity of their claims. See Roberts passed point on the Alt Right’s/WN’s issues with mainstream politics. He contends that despite their ugly behavior, they have truth in what they say.

          You can dislike their behavior all you want and on that note you’ll get no protest from me, but they have the biggest lead in actually addressing these situations.

        • Edit: why doesn’t Israel count?

        • Jason Y

          Again, southern towns can also be proxy for poor white meth addicts etc.. who aren’t any different for ghetto blacks, except in using different methods of doing crime, normally by more sneaky methods rather than outright violence.

        • Jason Y

          Okay, you are talking more about their attitude more than the validity of their claims. See Roberts passed point on the Alt Right’s/WN’s issues with mainstream politics. He contends that despite their ugly behavior, they have truth in what they say.

          You can dislike their behavior all you want and on that note you’ll get no protest from me, but they have the biggest lead in actually addressing these situations.

          Many don’t address the issues. At least in the case of the educated southern elite, they spend most of their time being smart-asses snickering in college courses.

        • Jason Y

          Yeah, my guess is that most WNs are pussies who spend their spare time making fun of people in liberal biased colleges (which are nearly all of them), possibly browsing a few WN sites under anonymous names etc.. Possibly many are even 15 years old. What a joke, these WNs. 😆

        • “Again, southern towns can also be proxy for poor white meth addicts etc.. who aren’t any different for ghetto blacks, except in using different methods of doing crime, normally by more sneaky methods rather than outright violence.”

          Then you would have to consider the prevalence of crime between these two groups, which would require Data.

        • “Many don’t address the issues. At least in the case of the educated southern elite, they spend most of their time being smart-asses snickering in college courses.”

          Define “many” and “issues”. That alone doesn’t defeat the overall lead.

          “Yeah, my guess is that most WNs are pussies who spend their spare time making fun of people in liberal biased colleges (which are nearly all of them), possibly browsing a few WN sites under anonymous names etc.. Possibly many are even 15 years old. What a joke, these WNs. 😆”

          And that depends on how you would categorize a “WN” by eithert self-reporting or an actual classification based on certain beliefs.

          And while you point out their Ugliness, stuff like what you are doing will only give them power in that you can’t really tackle said issues either and appeal to “Nazi!” tactics.

          For example, you have yet to reply on what makes Israel different from Jim Crow or South America.

        • Jason Y

          Phil doesn’t really believe white meth addicts etc.. are monsters of the same degree as ghetto blacks. Note that in the Phillippines, the president has actually restored to killing thousands of meth addicts, and these meth addicts are harmless little Asians much less powerful than black or even white people.

        • “Phil doesn’t really believe white meth addicts etc.. are monsters of the same degree as ghetto blacks. Note that in the Phillippines, the president has actually restored to killing thousands of meth addicts, and these meth addicts are harmless little Asians much less powerful than black or even white people.”

          I said prevalence, not magnitude.

        • Jason Y

          Israel doesn’t dictate integration in the US, so if they promote segregation in their own land, then I see no hypocrisy.

          Jews constitute a religion and that religion isn’t supposed to marry other religions, just like Christians aren’t supposed to marry other religions.

          Note, the US is mostly populated by Christians, and Christians don’t correspond to one racial group. So segregation among Americans, as opposed to Israelis, would be racial not religious.

          Actually even among Jews, assuming they don’t live in a religious state like Israel, there is a trend to marry non-Jews.

        • Jason Y

          Jews constitute a tribe but also a religion, but American Christians constitute a religion, but not a tribe. The confusion is right there and that is exploited by WNs who are interpreting all this stuff wrongly.

          Now some Christians believe the Bible separated people into tribes and they’re not supposed to marry and others take a less severe view and some say the Bible doesn’t separate people into tribes at all. My own take is that black people are OK in the US, but I don’t think it’s God’s will for every nation to be in the US, if they’re not willing to undergo a melting pot thing. For one thing, the loyalty of these tribes, contrary to the popular way of thinking now, is not to the US more than not.

        • “Israel doesn’t dictate integration in the US, so if they promote segregation in their own land, then I see no hypocrisy.”

          Uumm…I said the promotion of integration of civil rights, on top of being critics of the system in the U.S. So yes, it is hypocritical.

          “Jews constitute a religion and that religion isn’t supposed to marry other religions, just like Christians aren’t supposed to marry other religions.

          Note, the US is mostly populated by Christians, and Christians don’t correspond to one racial group. So segregation among Americans, as opposed to Israelis, would be racial not religious.”

          That irrelevant. The point is ETHNIC discrimination and it’s enforced on higher forms than you are describing.

          “Actually even among Jews, assuming they don’t live in a religious state like Israel, there is a trend to marry non-Jews.”

          You are ignoring the entire point of how the society is set up that ROBERT highlighted.

          Jews constitute a tribe but also a religion, but American Christians constitute a religion, but not a tribe. The confusion is right there and that is exploited by WNs who are interpreting all this stuff wrongly.

          “Now some Christians believe the Bible separated people into tribes and they’re not supposed to marry and others take a less severe view and some say the Bible doesn’t separate people into tribes at all. My own take is that black people are OK in the US, but I don’t think it’s God’s will for every nation to be in the US, if they’re not willing to undergo a melting pot thing. For one thing, the loyalty of these tribes, contrary to the popular way of thinking now, is not to the US more than not.”

          Wow, way to pathetically sugar coat the actual structure of Israeli-Palestinian relations Jason.

        • Jason Y

          Let’s look at Jewish racism, separation etc.. in more detail and there is even some lesson to learn for non-Jews and the whole WN crowd:

          OK, first of all:

          Jews are tribalistic due to religion which makes sense because otherwise their whole complex moral system and traditions would fall apart. However, in the Bible, there are some gaps in the tribalism that WNs need to take note of. Well, the Jews were allowed to take captive wives from other nations. So basically, while the Jewish racism was basically genetic. it wasn’t hardcore or set in stone. So likewise, I think with other tribes, the rule is the same.

          So most of the WN stuff is cruel and vile because it’s too hardcore when a better rule of thumb for a tribe is to do the Jewish example.

          So anyhow, if you see KKK members saying “The Bible is racist. Adultery means marrying outside your race. Well, you can bring up the fact the Israelites took wives, who obviously were genetically different, from enemy tribes on certain occasions.

          How this applies to the US? Well, the blacks are sort of an enemy tribe taken in. You cannot really equate them as being the same as Muslims or some other foreign group that doesn’t really seem American obviously.

        • Jason Y

          Possibly Jews segregate against Palestinians because they view them as a terror threat, which a no-brainer. However, nowadays, looking at the US, except for the worst ghetto blacks, blacks are not enough a terror threat to justify the reinstallation of Jim Crow.

          David Duke wants Israelis to feel sorry for a tribe in which most of the members have pledged the destruction of Israel. How can you trust such people, just like how can Americans really trust Muslims? I don’t trust them, even the children and elderly. Sorry.

        • Jason Y

          Also as Sam pointed out with blacks, though he was exaggerating the situation vastly, they’re all together. With some good, you’ll see some bad. But I think there are more bad Palestinians mixed with the good, then bad blacks mixed with good blacks in the US. As Robert pointed out in a lot of posts, American blacks are not the same as they were in Africa or in other times in US history.

        • “Let’s look at Jewish racism, separation etc.. in more detail and there is even some lesson to learn for non-Jews and the whole WN crowd:”

          Let’s see

          “OK, first of all:

          Jews are tribalistic due to religion which makes sense because otherwise their whole complex moral system and traditions would fall apart.”

          Actually they are Tribalistic due to inbreeding. Basically that means groups who are Tribalistic have closer extended families.

          “However, in the Bible, there are some gaps in the tribalism that WNs need to take note of. Well, the Jews were allowed to take captive wives from other nations. So basically, while the Jewish racism was basically genetic. it wasn’t hardcore or set in stone. So likewise, I think with other tribes, the rule is the same.”

          What does this have to do with the points I’ve highlighted? Just because they took women from other cultures doesn’t mean they weren’t centric, especially when that wife would likely have to convert.

          BTW, here’s a link that likely explained why they did.

          https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/29/southern-italians-and-ashkenazi-jews-what-is-the-connection/

          “So most of the WN stuff is cruel and vile because it’s too hardcore when a better rule of thumb for a tribe is to do the Jewish example.”

          1 Biblical note =/= totality Jewish actions

          “So anyhow, if you see KKK members saying “The Bible is racist. Adultery means marrying outside your race. Well, you can bring up the fact the Israelites took wives, who obviously were genetically different, from enemy tribes on certain occasions.”

          Genetically different? To some degree yes, but not comparable to macro-race mixing.

          “How this applies to the US? Well, the blacks are sort of an enemy tribe taken in. You cannot really equate them as being the same as Muslims or some other foreign group that doesn’t really seem American obviously.”

          Uuum…that REALLY depends on how you define “American”. Not even going into the details of the hierarchy that Anglo Saxons had as a racial group and culture, blacks have been generally held as a clear separate entity not just in the U.S but pretty much everywhere they made up a population at the time, so to say that they couldn’t be compared to Palestinian Muslims in discreteness would be Bullshit.

          “Possibly Jews segregate against Palestinians because they view them as a terror threat, which a no-brainer. However, nowadays, looking at the US, except for the worst ghetto blacks, blacks are not enough a terror threat to justify the reinstallation of Jim Crow.”

          See that link on what Robert said about Negroes in Negroland that would motivate segregation WHEN IT HAPPENED.

          Again, see what I said on “ghetto blacks”.

          “David Duke wants Israelis to feel sorry for a tribe in which most of the members have pledged the destruction of Israel. How can you trust such people, just like how can Americans really trust Muslims? I don’t trust them, even the children and elderly. Sorry.”

          And do you even remember why they even want the destruction to begin with?

          So by that logic, South African blacks now chanting “kill the Boers” would justify reinstating the Apartheid.

          “Also as Sam pointed out with blacks, though he was exaggerating the situation vastly, they’re all together.”

          Sam had repeatedly corrected you in saying that he thinks all were like that and you are doing that again.

          “With some good, you’ll see some bad. But I think there are more bad Palestinians mixed with the good, then bad blacks mixed with good blacks in the US.As Robert pointed out in a lot of posts, American blacks are not the same as they were in Africa or in other times in US history.”

          Again, see my point on why Palestinians even want “Death to Israel”. Two, see my point in the other comment on “ghetto Blacks” and how “not all are like that” doesn’t weakens the effect that have.

          And you make an appeal to Robert on how blacks changed. Huh, now go back to what you said about blacks and violent crime and see what Robert said on how bad Israeli “sadism” is.

        • Jason Y

          I’ve not seen that the bible makes any difference between macro and micro race mixing. It’s all about one tribe and another tribe. I mean looking at it another way. The Japanese and Koreans are horrible enemies, and so were the English and French, so were the different Amerindian tribes, so micro vs macro has never meant anything anywhere. It’s a new construct invented by modern racists.

        • Jason Y

          Robert has stated blacks has changed. Do you need Robert to clarify?

        • Jason Y

          Again if micro didn’t mean anything or was a lesser crime than macro, then why did God threaten to kill the Israelites when they wouldn’t divorce their pagan wives from surrounding areas. Of course, that was during one of the times when he forbid them to marry other tribes.

          Seems pretty severe for micro, but of course, he never mentioned macro as being a special quality anywhere in the Bible. In fact, I think in one instance, Moses even married an Ethiopian which obviously is macro.

        • Jason Y

          Cultures change. Nowadays, blacks are seen as Americans by most people except extreme dickheads. Note they’ve been here since the 1700s. Muslims are generally a recent group and dangerous group. You cannot really compare the two. You cannot compare blacks to East Asians, who contrary to what many think, actually hate the US quite a bit. For instance, look at the 9/11 cheering in South Korea. Look at how common Chinese are so chauvanist and view the US as a competitor.

          There have been rough times with blacks. I mean the whole black power and civil rights movement didn’t happen for nothing, but I don’t see them as an un-American terrorist group the same as Al Queda.

        • “I’ve not seen that the bible makes any difference between macro and micro race mixing.”

          I meant who they actually would’ve mixed with, who would’ve been merely different Caucasians groups, those being sub races.

          ” It’s all about one tribe and another tribe. I mean looking at it another way. The Japanese and Koreans are horrible enemies, and so were the English and French, so were the different Amerindian tribes, so micro vs macro has never meant anything anywhere.”

          My point for bringing up Macro Race differences was because, obviously, more often intermarriage existed between macro-races less often than micro when you brought up WNs, the bible, and intermarriage.

          “It’s a new construct invented by modern racists.” No, it was indeed a very old construct. Before science like Darwin’s even existed, they explained differences using the Bible. (Curse of Ham anyone?).

          “Robert has stated blacks has changed. Do you need Robert to clarify?” No need, as that point doesn’t refute the consequences of a significant portion (majority or not) canuses compared to qualitatively similar portions of other groups being quite less.

          With that noted, did you see his point on Israeli/Palestinian relations?

          “Again if micro didn’t mean anything or was a lesser crime than macro, then why did God threaten to kill the Israelites when they wouldn’t divorce their pagan wives from surrounding areas. Of course, that was during one of the times when he forbid them to marry other tribes.”

          You pretty much answered your own question. Second, my point was that you conflated micro with Macro mixing which was quite different as the differences in the latter were usually more stark.

          “Seems pretty severe for micro, but of course, he never mentioned macro as being a special quality anywhere in the Bible. In fact, I think in one instance, Moses even married an Ethiopian which obviously is macro.”

          Well no seeing how Ethiopians are rather Caucasian to begin with.

          The “black” parts were just some Nilotic sections, while the actual “Hamitic” people are far closer to Eurasians than other Sub Saharans. For years Racial taxonomists were convinced that they were merely darker Caucasians.

        • “Cultures change. Nowadays, blacks are seen as Americans by most people except extreme dickheads.”

          Except I was talking in terms of when Jim Crow was actually applied so it would be actually comparable with the situation in Israel.

          “Note they’ve been here since the 1700s. Muslims are generally a recent group and dangerous group.”

          Uuumm…Muslims existed well before that, as well as having conflict with Jews much longer. BTW, blacks have been here well before the 1700s.

          And again, see why Palestinians are currently dangerous.

          “You cannot really compare the two.” Yes, you can. Given the conditions that the two societies were set up on and the treatment the other group recieved, the framework is comparable.

          ” You cannot compare blacks to East Asians, who contrary to what many think, actually hate the US quite a bit. For instance, look at the 9/11 cheering in South Korea. Look at how common Chinese are so chauvanist and view the US as a competitor.”

          Irrelevant/ non topical point.

          “There have been rough times with blacks. I mean the whole black power and civil rights movement didn’t happen for nothing, but I don’t see them as an un-American terrorist group the same as Al Queda.”

          Again, you must put into perspective as what was American at the time, the value associated with the concept, and consider the context of Palestinian violence.

          BTW, funny how you say “not all blacks are ghetto blacks” but based on your framing of muslims in Palestine apparently they are all terrorists and they apparently cause violence for violence sake.

          read this,

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/palestinians-leaving-israel-due-to-racism/

        • Jason Y

          Ethiopians are merely darker Caucasians? OK, in the case, see how many WNs will take dating them lightly or the dating of African Americans who, due to racial intermarriage and other things, now are also darker Caucasians.

        • Jason Y

          All of this stuff brought up by religious racist groups is an attempt to try to show God disapproves of different colors mating, normally different to any degree. Now you’re trying to say God approves of colors that are a little different mating, but not those who are a lot different. However, I see no evidence of that in the Bible.

          It’s all divided by tribe and to suspect God thinks mixing between similar groups is better than with vastly different groups (speaking genetically here or in the case of very different skin tone) then your just making speculation.

          Again this is all an attempt to try to discredit these black guys dating these BBW whites or maybe white men with yellow fever. Saying “This is an abomination and a crime against nature and sin against God”, even equating it with transsexuality and homosexuality. However, the general US public, a lot of them don’t see it that way.

          Myself, I know all sorts of mixed couples and they’re totally normal people.

          Now watch how Phil will discredit what i said as irrelevant and stupid.

        • “Ethiopians are merely darker Caucasians?” Technically no, I said many raxnomist were convinced that they were.

          Modern day “Ethiopians” referring to the “Horner type” would be a mix between Neolithic Caucasians and ancient east African, the later basically being a predecessor to eurasians as well as having a closer affinity to them rather than other SSA populations.

          “OK, in the case, see how many WNs will take dating them lightly or the dating of African Americans who, due to racial intermarriage and other things, now are also darker Caucasians.”

          Uum, no, AA’s are not “darker skinned Caucasians” as can be shown through physical anthrohpology (forensics for one) as well as DNA showing them to be only 20-25% percent mixed while Horner Type East Africans are 50% Caucasian with East African portions that are closer to Eurasians in general.

        • Jason Y

          OK, Phil, note that according to your own logic, the Jews would not have liked Moses’ wife and in fact they didn’t but it doesn’t say why. However, God approved of his marriage.

          You said the Israelites thought they were darker Caucasians, but you say in fact they are not. But actually, the Israelites, as I said, did not view them as darker Caucasians. Possibly they viewed them in a racist way, maybe they looked at them less for being darker, but I’m just speculating.

        • “All of this stuff brought up by religious racist groups is an attempt to try to show God disapproves of different colors mating, normally different to any degree.”

          Where did this even come from? Are you referring to my point on uses of the Bible to explain Macro Races like Blacks?

          “Now you’re trying to say God approves of colors that are a little different mating, but not those who are a lot different. However, I see no evidence of that in the Bible.”

          No, what I’m saying is the wife taking that occurred in biblical times wasn’t the same as macro-race mixing due to differences being less stark.

          “It’s all divided by tribe and to suspect God thinks mixing between similar groups is better than with vastly different groups (speaking genetically here or in the case of very different skin tone) then your just making speculation.”

          Yet I never said GOD thought so, I’m talking about the actual historical cases of wife taking that occured, not what was allowed under policy.

          “Again this is all an attempt to try to discredit these black guys dating these BBW whites or maybe white men with yellow fever. Saying “This is an abomination and a crime against nature and sin against God”, even equating it with transsexuality and homosexuality. However, the general US public, a lot of them don’t see it that way.”

          Again, if you read my above comments, irrelevant. This whole point on biblical policy on wife taking was because YOU brought it up and compared it to macro-race mixing which isn’t the same thing due to differences being even starker.

          The cases of “mixing” in Biblical times would’ve occurred under much closer groups genetically.

          “Myself, I know all sorts of mixed couples and they’re totally normal people.

          Now watch how Phil will discredit what i said as irrelevant and stupid.”

          No need to say it here, as I’ve pretty much explained why.

        • “OK, Phil, note that according to your own logic, the Jews would not have liked Moses’ wife and in fact they didn’t but it doesn’t say why. However, God approved of his marriage.”

          No, as I’ve already explain it wouldn’t be Macro, second the reason why is becaused you explained yourself, it was due to her also being Jewish.

          “You said the Israelites thought they were darker Caucasians,”

          No, I said racial taxonomists.

          “but you say in fact they are not. But actually, the Israelites, as I said, did not view them as darker Caucasians.”

          No, I said they were somewhat such but not entirely. It’s complicated but, for all case in purposes, Ethiopians pretty much cluster closer genetically to Eurasians.

          Second, you didn’t say they didn’t simply see them as such. All you said was that she was Ethiopian, which by the definition were merely as a dark skinned people.

          “Possibly they viewed them in a racist way, maybe they looked at them less for being darker, but I’m just speculating.”

          Yes, that was probably the reason. So, that proves my point, that of there was resistance then that indicates that such marriages weren’t common. Even if it displayed God approving such, that simply sets a boundary for the rule rather than how many actually approved of such. Seeing how God used coercion on Moses’ disapproving sister that sort of solidifies my point.

        • Jason Y

          Note, I am not directing this at Phil, but you ever noticed how the logic of racist religious groups isn’t based on reality but is rather pushing a political agenda. It would be no different, then some anti-racist putting the blame on crime 100 percent on white oppression.

        • Jason Y

          Phil is speculating that God allowed certain Jews on occasion to marry other tribes due to the differences not being stark. However, it’s all speculation as no written evidence suggests anything about micro vs macro, one way or the other.

        • “Phil is speculating that God allowed certain Jews on occasion to marry other tribes due to the differences not being stark.”

          No, I said that they typically would’ve married people with less stark differences than macro-races GIVEN their geographical location.

          Ethiopians at best are a borderline macro-race in physical appearance, in genetics it’s just as blurry but are overall affiliated with Eurasians, yet the protest the Moses Siblings gave shown how uncommon such a union was from their perspective.

          However, due to her being Jewish, it was allowed. I was saying the opposite of what you claim of me saying about the policy of God regarding that. My point was God’s policy versus their feelings on the matter were two different things.

          ” However, it’s all speculation as no written evidence suggests anything about micro vs macro, one way or the other.”

          Again, reread what I actually said Jason. You had plenty of time to do so before you responded.

    • Berkeley and Caltech got no Jewish caste system.

      Today USA is a caste or even slave society and the neo-Brahmins are Jews.

      • William

        okay, so looking at, the first on the list for simplicity (Harvard) it would appear that 29% belong to none of those races.

        29% NAM? That seems high. I suppose it’s possible Middle Easterners and East Indians (hyper selected) are counted in that 29%, but it still seems high.

        • WILLIAM How would a Singaporean know the demographic breakdown of any Ivy League institution.

          East Coast universities will have a preponderance of Irish-Catholics. Not because they are so much more intelligent but because there are so many of them on the East Coast.

          Italian-Americans have so much Arabic blood that I am not sure they can be classified as white.

        • To Trash.

          Italians, southern ones anyway, “arab component” isn’t actually “beduoin” blood.

          It’s actually neolithic ancestry of the Europeans genepool that’s just more prominent in them as well as later Levantine ancestry from Jews.

          Levantine, btw, would’ve been a similar group as well to the said neolithic source.

          The actual Levantine ancestry is more prominent in mainland Southern Italians while Sardanians would have more of the Neolithic ancestry.

        • To William, actually that would be 12% NAM, that 16 percent would be Asian.

        • William

          okay doing some basic arithmetic based on that;
          https://www.google.com/#q=Harvard+University+average+SAT
          http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/2013/TotalGroup-2013.pdf
          Asians (13% of test takers): -1.55 SDs from average Harvard Score
          Blacks (14% of test takers): -3.27 SDs
          Mexican-Americans/Hispanics (19% of test takers): -3.03
          Whites (52% of test takers):-1.82
          Assuming Jews (2%) have IQs 1 SD higher than Whites; -0.82 from Harvard score.

          If Test scores were used alone…
          59.5% Gentile White
          26.0% Asian
          13.6% Jewish
          0.7% Hispanic
          0.2% Black

          No conspiracy here.

        • To William,

          “If Test scores were used alone…” and there is your weakness. Now compare that to the actual numbers of Jews and Gentiles.

  26. …then why do Asian-Americans excel above Jews in many fields?

    • Asians have better mathematical IQ and Jews have better Verbal.

      • PHIL Clearly this is why few Asians write screenplays and comedians are few but directors and technicians are common in Hollywood.

        Of course, this is a gross generalization.

        • I would have to say though that Japan is more developed in that area of writing and creativity compared to others.

        • Jason Y

          Japan also has more resources to make movies, produce music, etc.. much as Americans do. In fact, so much computer technology exists that an average 1st world person can make movies, music in his home computer. However, it might be difficult for a Filipino to buy a home computer. Also, the Phillippines doesn’t have the resources to create a Hollywood that can compete with the American or Japanese one.

        • To Jason, you are confusing resources with actual merit of creativity. Also, with the resource difference you noticed, do you think that’s an accident or another factor of IQ?

          Even pre-modern Japan had more distinct forms of art concepts.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_art#Aesthetic_concepts

      • PHIL

        This is reflected in their respective career occupations and geography: a few Indians are involved in writing or producing American films in Hollywood and more in Canada, but the business is dominated by Jews.

        Some Jews work in IT and Silicon Valley but there are more Anglo and Indian people in the industry overall.

  27. I believe less Asians than Jews live in poverty in the United States…far less. Some 25% of Jews in New York live under the poverty line (Go an visit). Watch “Requiem for a Dream” for a pretty picture of this.

    Are Jews intelligent people? Most of the time they score slightly higher on IQ tests than whites and Asian score higher than Jews.

    Could this be one reason less Jews are poor than Christians and less Asians are poor than Jews in a meritocracy like the United States.?

    Possibly.

    • Yee

      Creaders seems obsessed with Jews only because he’s retaliating. I think he’s too academic. Why reach for links? Just hurl some insults back. I don’t see YOU giving any links to support yours. Perhaps he’s worry Phil would jump out demanding proof.

  28. I’m not interested in hurling insults back and forth on a forum intended for discussion.

    One reason that the Asian posters-whether Indian or Chinese-become so furious at me is because I am a white man who has lived in Asia for many years with an opinion accumulated from years of experience on the streets and offices.

    I cannot be bothered to paste and post anything from the internet and unless it appears in newspaper print the validity is questionable.

    Links are dubious and statistics can be manipulated quite easily.

    At any rate CREADERS has probably never been out of Singapore and his opinions are based more on second-hand or third-hand stories passed along.

    • Yee

      TRASH, I find something very puzzling about racism in USA. That is people easily feel hurt by it. Most of the rest of us just feel angry at most, some even indifferent, it’s rare someone feels hurt.

      I think all human are racist to some extent. No big deal. When encounter, if you feel angry enough, give some back. It’s not like the opposite side are so perfect you can’t find any dirt on them. Where does the feeling of hurt come from?

      • As a Singaporean living in multi-racial society, the big buzz loser minority made about discrimination due to minorities hardwork in mind masturbation.

        Singaporean Muslims and USA blacks got to try hard to stake that they are discriminated, so to exonerate themselves as they fuck up big time.

        The blacks are loser because they fuck and fuck having 10 children with 10 different women. Singapore Muslims fuck up big time because they think they can prosper themselves by hijab and memorizing Koran.

        Others such as India dalits, India north easterners, Malaysian Chinese, Middle East Christian did have valid cause.

        • CREADERS

          Chinese probably function at some higher level of civilization than Malays or Indians who are usually not Brahmin. Their resentment would be at having to be the laborers or taxi drivers in what amounts to a Chinese city.

          Malays have a good argument. It is their native country and Chinese and Indians were brought in by British colonists who then walked off and handed over the power to the Chinese instead of the natives or the Indians.

          If Malays ran Singapore or Indians it would not be a great place to live, I suspect.

    • Lin

      ” I am a white man who has lived in Asia for many years with an opinion accumulated from years of experience on the streets and offices…”
      You claim to be knowledgeable and many of your claims are obviously bogus. It amounts to confession that you deliberately disinform people here

      • My claim that Chinese control a great deal of the Filipino economy and Filipinos resent this-not as much as Indonesians however-is quite true.

        Koreans are the real morons of East Asia. I mean their really idiots and I am surprised Chinese do not run Seoul’s economy as well.

        My claim that Brahmin Indians are less likely to inflict violence or behave badly towards whites in India is equally true.

        How are these “claims” obviously bogus?

        I write you from Asia at the moment and my wife is a Thai-Chinese Buddhist of Yunnan extraction.

      • LIN PRICES

        Chinese prostitutes Dubai – $30 for half/half (Oral plus Vaginal). Chinese women will not do anal sex. Note that pure Chinese females will have EXTREMELY STRAIGHT PUBIC HAIR THAT DOES NOT CURL LIKE OTHER RACES.

        Filipino prostitutes Arab Gulf- $25 for half/half but no condom required.

        Chinese-Filipino prostitutes-Most Chinese prostitutes in the Philippines charge 1,000 PHP.

        Malay/Mestizo Prostitutes in Philippines-500 PHP with alcohol. Very shallow vaginas.

        Cambodian prostitutes- Many Chinese from China but charge $50 per time and are middle-aged.

        Indian Prostitutes-Goa prostitutes cost 1,000 Rupees. Call girls in Mumbai and Houses of prostitutes cost 3,000 Rupees.

        Thailand Prostitutes – Some Chinese-Thai prostitutes work in specialty houses. Price 1,500 Bhatt. No Chinese-Thai prostitutes work the street. All Thai.

        NB Wife owned a restaurant. Not a prostitute.

      • LIN

        Which claims are “bogus”. Now let me point out that I never visited China mainland.

      • LIN

        Which claim is bogus and a deliberate attempt to mislead other posters?

        I am curious. Please elaborate.

        In the Philippines I had to work with Fuji Chinese and just loathed it. This comes through in my posts.

        • Jason Y

          A group with more money and power is always resented. Note, in my area, the Indians and Somalis who own gas stations and hotels are resented because they own businesses which poor white people have no hope of gaining due to bad credit and no capital, plus the fact the whites don’t think foreigners should own things in the US anyhow.

          The Indians are everywhere even owning gas stations in the most remote rural areas. Well, I guess they would target those due to the low price. However, going into remote parts of Southwest Virginia it seems like the gas stations are mostly run by whites, but not so in Northeast Tennessee.

        • Jason Y

          But I don’t think the poor whites are insanely racist nor the middle-class cause they would have driven out these foreigners. But there is a military style racist educated southern elite in different parts. As I mentioned, their little brats are all going to these universities and colleges majoring in engineering etc. Possibly this elite hates blacks more than Indians cause it’s indoctrinated into the lifestyle of these army guys, whom are the fathers of a lot of these elite kids.

        • ErikThe Red

          Almost every motel I stay at is managed by Indian but Somali men mostly just loiter and watchover the Somali children selling drugs, while the women work.

      • LIN If you could pinpoint my specific disinformation I would be enlightened.

        • Lin

          I had pinpointed some of your bogus claim already like that death penalty on fags or statements on Manchus and Mongols (incidentally I met some Mongols). Some of the bogus claims I didn’t care because ‘Overseas Chinese’ and China are two separate things to me. Regarding the Hindus, I support Hinduism genuinely as long as it’s confined to Hindustan for enlightened Chinese self-interest. The more Hindus, the the more vegetarians and less price pressure on fodder grain which China imports a lot.

      • LIN

        I’m pressing you again: which of my “claims” is obviously “bogus”.

        This is a claim about Indians or probably you are defending China and your own traditions with no interest in India.

  29. YEE One could say the same about the constant Malay-Chinese tension in countries like Singapore or the crimes against Chinese in Indonesia.

    In the instance of Singapore, it was the Chinese who rioted.

    If Chinese did not give Indonesians jobs, they would have no job at all. Why exactly were they the target of mass murder when Suharto died. To my knowledge he and his political party were not Chinese.

    • Yee

      I don’t want to talk about Indonesians.

      But I supose you’re right, racism is different in different countries. Because it’s no big deal in China, so I will feel this way.

  30. How did 17th Century Chinese feel when invading Manchus from Siberia seized their country. I know some people 2000 miles South fled to Taiwan.

    In U.S. prisons Japanese-American and Chinese-American gang members cannot be in the same cell or they will kill eachother.

    I don’t think Uighur people are much-loved by China…or by the rest of the world, either.

    • Yee

      When there is a war, people always flee if they could. That was how Northern Han moved to the South, by one war or another.

      There’re no Manchus for anyone to hate nowadays, anyway. They have completely assimilated to Han. My neighbor is a Manchu family, and they’re Cantonese indistinguishable. I know they’re Manchu only because my grandparents said theirs spoke the language. But that died with the elders. Speaking of the Manchus, the Mongols were as bad as them, even worse I’d say.

      But the govt set the theme for ethnic relations as soon as they seized power—harmony and move on to new life, we are all crossbreeds after thousands of years of wars and conquest blah blah blah…and that’s it.

      No, I don’t like the Uighurs much, too many pick-pockets and dishonest merchants, but no violent crimes from the ordinary ones. They’re not a social problem.

      There’s a rumour though, that 5 thousands of the nut ones are fighting in Syria (with your money and weapons of course), and China is trying hard to make sure they never return home.

      The Japanese is another matter. They’re dangerous as a nation. They’re Nazis, and they never renounce their Nazism. They may fool the whole world, but they can’t fool us. Just as you know your US Whites, we know our East Asians. Even the irrational fools Korean know.

      You might not know this, but the Japanese is actually the most racist in East Asia, not us, not the Koreans. This might be a shock for Jason.

  31. YEE Chinese-American and Japanese-American gangs cannot even be in the same prison so much is their hatred for one another in the California penal system.

  32. PHIL’S STATEMENT ABOUT PHILIPPINES DRUG ADDICTS EXAMINED

    SHABU is actually relatively weak amphetamine compared to the Meth in the United States or Canada. Users don’t stay up for days.

    Few Filipinos steal for Shabu. It just is not as addictive as crack or Breaking Bad meth.

    Shabu has been around in the Philippines for 30 years since the early 80’s when Chinese brought it in. It began to get trendy in the middle 90’s and then fell out of style with everyone but the working poor by 2005.

    The Presidents quarrel is the corruption it causes.

    Nobody is really terribly dangerous on it in the Philippines (Filipinos are part Mexican Indian and part Polynesian and booze is the drug that precipitates violence for them) and it is not so addictive that addicts will actually steal to get more of it.

  33. BLUE NINJA

    I used willing and quite happy hookers from Dubai to Philippines. Outside of India all prostitutes were Chinese or Filipino.

    Having sex with a Filipino or Chinese woman for a white man is like having anal sex with a white female. They will moan with a mixture of pleasure and pain.

    I’d say both Chinese and Filipinos are fairly tight. The average white man with a 6 inch penis is like John Holmes to them.

    Once in a while, some Chinese prostitute will actually fall in love with you if you are an average-looking white guy and your penis is slightly longer than normal like 7-8 inches.

    One Chinese prostitute even mentioned to me in Dubai “Russian women (Competitive hookers) are no good, they are big down there”.

  34. PHIL

    Not so in Sicily, it was ruled by the Saracens (North African Arabs) and Phoenicians for a short time in the middle ages.

  35. Actually the Northwest of France is Celtic-Breton-because during the Anglo, Saxon and Jute invasions of Britain many Celts fled across the channel.

    I give you this analogy because it is similar to the Arab occupation of Eastern Sicily. Malta is even more Arabic.

    The Moors did not occupy France until the late 20th century in Paris.

  36. Xiao Chen

    The problem with Confucianism is that is too worldly, too political driven and too authoritarian. The Chinese would be focused on making money, their daily lives, or other material pursuit. To the point that there is a disconnect with nature itself. But Science, social justice and moral requires some kind of metaphysical/epistemological pursuit. Few people in China would ask big questions “where am I from ? ”, who created me ? Why am I here ? This worldly worldview prevented china from producing any deep thinkers, so no thinker, no great scientist would come from China. This worldly worldview also made us very shallow and very short sighted.

    As for Moral, it is even worse: it is simply end justifies the means. For example one child-policy, end was to control the population of China. But No one in china questioned the moral aspect of the policy.

    I think Daoism in China could have been a good compliment to Confucianism. As Dao means “the way” the universe is governed. It implies that there is a natural law that governs the universe. This could have pulled chinese away from the shallow worldly view that confucianism has, and induce a rational metaphysical pursuit, but it didn’t happen.

    • Lin

      Your babbling show u know little about the spirit of Chinese civilization.

      Chinese ideology/philosophy is diffused rather than institutionalized. People could switch from one to another overnight. It’s actually quite hard to define what Confucianism is in a modern setting, except that old Confucianism is probably an agrarian hierarchy in a Chinese setting (just my opinion).

      This worldly worldview prevented china from producing any deep thinkers, so no thinker, no great scientist would come from China. This lack of worldly worldview also made us very shallow and short-sighted.

      The above shows u’re a rare fanatic. Likely u’re a FLGooner. And u attempt to mix science with religious dogma. Tell me what the fuck is ‘deep thinking’ by religious honchos except mythology?

      • Xiao Chen

        I think you are confused. When I say metaphysics It does not mean from a religious perspective. it is meant from a philosophical perspective. In science, once you dig deep into the hardcore scientific theory, it is not longer like the physics, chemistry you learn in high school or college. It becomes more like metaphysics It is as if you are trying to guess how did “God” designed the Universe. Albert Einstein once quoted “ God does not play dice with the Universe”, Would you consider Einstein a religious honcho ?
        Back to your question, what is deep thinking? According to Rene Descartes’s Dualism, reality is divided into phenomenon and noumenon (as with A Priori vs posteriori, mind vs body, concrete vs abstract). Phenomenon is the world that you can see with your sense or perception. Noumena is the one you can’t see. What I mean by deep thinking requires one to look beyond just phenomena, and look into noumena. It requires the person to perceive object or events without sense or perception.
        Why is noumena important ? Well, ALMOST ALL of our scientific theory exists in noumena. What is matter ? What is energy ? What force ? What is space ? What is time ? What is Gravity? What is “God”. We “invented” these abstract concepts. We also theorized laws to for the relationships between those concepts. So why do we do it ? Well, to better understand phenomena, you need noumena. In other words to better understand phenomena you need to look beyond phenomena.
        The problem with Confucianism is disconnected with nature. It is completely contained within the phenomena.

        Confucianism is NOT a philosophy. To be considered a philosophy it has to have logic. Confucianism is based on “Analects of Confucius” or the words for confucius. For a Confucius scholar having been said by Confucius was good enough proof. But Why should it be consider moral or ethical just because Confucius said so ???? Show me the proof, show me the argument !!!!! Confucianism is really a religion not a philosophy.

        • Lin

          “Albert Einstein once quoted “ God does not play dice with the Universe”, Would you consider Einstein a religious honcho..”
          God does play dice on a grand microscopic scale. If you don’t understand what I mean, just forget about it. Einstein precisely tried to pass a quasi-religious judgment on science. Unlike u,though Einstein was a great science,I don’t worship him. Great was his theory of relatively but it couldn’t come into being and acceptance without the evidence of invariance of light speed.
          I believe in science, not myths passed as science. Unfortunately many science PHD also believe in the 6-days creationism and even great scientists could believe in occults.
          “Confucianism is NOT a philosophy”
          “Confucianism is really a religion not a philosophy.”
          WhoTF care. In reality old confucism is agrarian hierarchy in Chinese setting,trying to side-track by fancy toppings is meaningless. Confucism has some good attributes,like secularism and meritocracy but have been exceeded by modern development. I’m psychologically secure that even I’m not anti-confucism, but I wouldn’t mind to say ‘Fuck Confuscism’ Yes, fuck your FLG honchos too.
          “Why is noumena important ? Well, ALMOST ALL of our scientific theory exists in noumena. What is matter ? What is energy ? What force ? What is space ? What is time ? What is Gravity? What is “God”. We “invented” these abstract concepts. ”
          That’s the biggest laugh here at Lindsay’s blog. “Gravity” a concept? Yes, FLG honcho LHG claimed by his followers can levitate through Chigong. I suggest to throw him out of a hi rise building to let him to experience gravity as a ‘concept’.
          “force’ is a concept? I suggest to your to bang your head into a concrete pile to experience it.

        • Lin new policy is all regular commenters have to donate. $10 minimum. Should not be a hardship for you in China as I recently got a $50 donation from that country. But if it is a hardship for you, let me know and we will see if we can make some arrangements for you. I hope you will go along because I definitely love your comments here.

          Looking forward to your cooperation.

  37. Lin

    Robert,

    I do consider donating US$50 to your blog operation. Problem is I don’t have a PayPal account (nor the PayPal function details, nor a functioning credit card, nor I do online shopping). If I’m going to get a Paypal account, it’ll be exclusively for you at the moment. Another way is sending you a money order. I’ll ponder the best way. Please wait after the New Year.

    BTW, I always consider China still a poor 3rd world country (though not the Turd World type).

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