A Marxist Alt Left Critique on the Modern Left

From Facebook:

Well I’m basically Marxist myself, and I don’t really recall references to patriarchy or white supremacy in Marx’s writings. Patriarchy Theory was crapped out by one William Fourier, of whom Marx was a critic. Marx and Engels strayed into feminist territory a bit, with ideals the later would explore a bit more in The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State.

But forms of socialism that emphasized race or nationalism they would have considered “reactionary.” They said next to nothing about racial and sexual identity, and it came down to later “Marxist-feminist” theorists to hash out what has since become the dogma of the Far Left on those matters, which is generally inapplicable and puritanical. Marxist Feminism was very marginal in both feminist and Marxist circles well into the 1960s.

I chuckled at the guy who said that patriarchy and White supremacy were more effective impediments to revolution than police repression. I can’t help but wonder how many “angry white dudes” who are really angry at their economic prospects, or lack thereof, have been put off of Leftism in the last forty years due to how anti-White and anti-male it’s become.

Leftism today is exactly what Marx was critical of in his own time: romanticization of some idealized past or foreign culture. In a lot of ways, this is what the Alt-Right has become also, only it’s their own feudal past rather than some African or North American society onto which they’re projecting their own disdain for technological society. As to the Woman Question, idealization of women typifies repressive and puritanical eras like both Queen Victoria’s and our own.

Male feminism reeks of a desire for young male radicals to regress to a childlike state where Mommy knew best, and Mommy was revered as nurturer. This is basically what I was in my late teens and early 20s, and it’s attractions are for males who have not fully matured and still tend to project maternal archetypes onto women as a whole. Once such men start actually getting some tail, they move on into adult forms of sexual (yes, sexual) relations and leave feminism behind.

Historical materialism and scientific socialism were critiques of “socialists” who idealized either their own pasts or some other culture’s. Pretty much what the Left has been since 19th century Romanticism was resurrected on such a massive scale by the 1960’s Flower Power movement.

Immaculate.

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57 responses to “A Marxist Alt Left Critique on the Modern Left

  1. William

    I believe it was TJF that said something like
    ‘talk of race and racism are okay, but when you get into “White privilege” and equating the existence of an out of work Appalachian coal miner with the existence of Warren Buffet just because they are both White, it gets insane’

    • Jason Y

      Coal mines are relics of the past. The same is true for so many other occupations. The rise of robots and the information age have put many out of work, even without globalism being factored in.

      The only industry in coal country now is prisons. People put prisons there because nobody wants them near their area, even though as George Carlin stated in one of his comedy stand-ups, they have so much security that the chance they will escape is probably 0.001 percent.

  2. Jason Y

    A modern leftist state as you would see in the west cannot work because it’s dependent on tax revenue and the whole economy, in general, is going to crash at some point, being on shaky credit.

    Perhaps if the US was an actual communist state it would actually work, as the socialism wouldn’t really be wealth redistribution, as in the western capitalist sense, but a real control of all industry and agriculture by the people (the government really).

    What is scary is that so many poor whites and NAMS are so dependent on this form of socialism, as seen in the US, where the future is mainly determined by the assumption that good times will last forever. Statistically speaking though the stock market cannot last given its health condition

    So we are probably looking at a crash lasting 20 or so years starting soon where the government will be unable hand out checks, and even people not on welfare won’t be able to use banks. In scope, it would have to be worse or at least equal to the stuff we had in 1929.

    I don’t think Trump will be able to help, and being the guy who is president in this situation, he will be massively unpopular.

  3. Jason Y

    I wonder how prisons will fare if the economy tanks out. Perhaps they will have to secretly kill all the prisoners like the Nazis did the Jews. There just won’t be any money to keep them up, just like there won’t be able to keep up people on government aid.

    • JASON Y

      For many poor, prison is no longer a punishment in the U.S. because they have AC’s and free meals in prison. And a bed.

      Notice how Blacks and Hispanics accept life imprisonment with little regret.

      • Jason Y

        Right, free meals and AC but no women, and the guys are at the sexual prime.

        Anyhow, these guys will have to be liquidated if the economy goes down because there won’t be any way to give them a comfortable stay or even feed them.

        • Jason Y

          Also, note prison food is horrible. It makes McDonalds seem like IHOP.

        • Sambo

          A lot of the black are on the downlow or subscribe to the it’s not gay if you’re on top philosophy. Mestizos are more open sexually then their Hispanic culture allows them to show but in prison they are typically more regimented and refrain from such activities.

        • Sambo

          Rape is usually an interracial affair most often a black or mestizo rapist in pursuit of a Whte victim.

        • Jason Y

          What’s so funny is all this silly racist talk will amount to nothing compared to the real problems facing those after an economic crash. All the WN talk seems like petty gossip by high society girls.

        • “Rape is usually an interracial affair most often a black or mestizo rapist in pursuit of a Whte victim.”

          Most? Incorrect. Given that a rape is interracial then you would be more accurate.

        • Sambo

          Do your homework: Black and mestizo men are far more likely to be the rapists in prison, Whites being the primary target, and far less likely than Whites to be raped. I’ve researched this extensively and encourage you to do the same.

        • William

          “far more likely” versus “most”
          hmmmm…..
          did you understand your research?

        • How about you reread what we each said? You said rapes were usually a interracial crime, which is false.

          I then corrected you by saying GIVEN, as in in the scope, that interracial rapes were what we are dealing with then you would be right.

        • “Do your homework: Black and mestizo men are far more likely to be the rapists in prison, Whites being the primary target, and far less likely than Whites to be raped. I’ve researched this extensively and encourage you to do the same.”

          Show me research that whites were the PRIMARY target. Disproportionately raped in interracial scenarios versus primary target are two different things.

          Also, blacks and mestizos are far less likely to be raped?

          http://www.sarsonline.org/resources-stats/reports-laws-statics

        • More on Black on black rape.

          • Black females experienced higher rates of rape or sexual assault in 2008 than white
          females or females of other races (2.9 compared to 1.2 and 0.9 per 1,000 females age
          12 or older, respectively.)

          https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf

          Race of victim
          Victims of rape were about evenly divided
          between whites and blacks; in about 88%
          of forcible rapes, the victim and offender
          were of the same race.

          http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF

        • Sambo

          I’m speaking of men being raped in prison. Though, I don’t think black women being more likely to be raped is a good thing/sign. It’s likely black family members doing the raping.
          Here’s a couple of the first things that pop up when searching Hispanic and black prison rapes:
          http://westernrevival.org/?p=82
          https://www.limbicnutrition.com/blog/mating-calls-the-horrific-reality-of-male-on-male-rape-in-us-prisons/

        • Sambo

          “In many prisons a small, unaggressive white is sure to be raped, probably by blacks or Hispanics. As one prison guard explains, a young white has ‘almost zero’ chance of escaping rape ‘unless he’s willing to stick someone with a knife and fortunate enough to have one.’ Some of the tougher inmates may even fight each other for the chance to rape an effeminate young white.” Excerpt from 2nd link.

        • Oh, in prison. My mistake.

          I’m typically used to discussing rape in general, by prison I thought you were referring to those convicted for stuff they did outside of prison not prison rape.

  4. Jason Y

    Another thing interesting is that a huge bubble is growing in the stock market just like in 1929 and other crash times

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/market-indicator-hits-levels-last-seen-before-plunges.html

    Will Trump’s orange oompla loompa hair get us out of this one ??

    • Jason Y

      Another theory though it seems conspiracy laden, is that the stock market is purposely pumped out, so it can crash, as to punish Trump for going against globalism and to be the fall guy for the globalist mess which is destined to die anyway. In other words, at some point, the stocks will crash, but there would be an engineered explosion to speed things up.

      Now, Obama has doubled the nation debt to get the US out of the 2007 crash, but that’s all shaky unstable economics, so that will have to fall either in a natural crash, or one orchestrated, kind of like killing a diseased dog whose going to die in a few years anyway.

  5. Jason Y

    Emerging markets already falling and it ties in with the US economy. There is also a banking crisis in Italy. Who knows what else is going on.

    So I’m trying to get articles that aren’t too spammy to prove my point. There are so many out there and so many economic experts, not conspiracy theorists, who are dead set certain we are screwed in the very near future.

  6. I’ve all but abandoned the Right, and the Left’s corpse smells too much now for me to go back.

    Alt-Right/Alt-Lite claim to defend Western Civilisation, but exemplify the attitudes which led to our downfall in the first place (pushing Trump being the most obvious indicator of this) , which is a shame because they could have been a contender. This led me to conclude our problem is a general cultural decline, not just “Marxism”, “Leftism” or “Jews”. That those pointing the finger are taking part.

    The real shame is there are so few real Marxist. Almost every Marxist I see is a cultural Leftist more worried about refugees, gender politics, anti-racism and other SJW issues. The spend far more effort fighting working and middle class Whites who hold ‘incorrect’ views, sometimes violently, than the actual Capitalist class.

    Student Marxist groups have all but abandoned the class struggle and have joined the Right in the culture/race divide, just taking an opposing viewpoint.

  7. I’ve all but abandoned the Right, and the Left’s corpse smells too much now for me to go back.

    Alt-Right/Alt-Lite claim to defend Western Civilisation, but exemplify the attitudes which led to our downfall in the first place (pushing Trump being the most obvious indicator of this) , which is a shame because they could have been a contender. This led me to conclude our problem is a general cultural decline, not just “Marxism”, “Leftism” or “Jews”. That those pointing the finger are taking part.

    The real shame is there are so few real Marxist. Almost every Marxist I see is a cultural Leftist more worried about refugees, gender politics, anti-racism and other SJW issues. The spend far more effort fighting working and middle class Whites who hold ‘incorrect’ views, sometimes violently, than the actual Capitalist class.

    Student Marxist groups have all but abandoned the class struggle and have joined the Right in the culture/race divide, just taking an opposing viewpoint.

    • Jason Y

      I think Trump will be finished anyways, as his anti-globalist stance simply will make him another useless Carter and if there is another stock market crash, which seems likely, possibly another Hoover. One guy’s ideas won’t do nothing without followers and, no pun intended, but Trump doesn’t have the followers Hitler had. Trump is no way the Anti-Christ or some other charismatic leader that he seemed to be in the election.

      • Jason Y

        Hitler was anti-globalist or at least a challenge to the British/American empire, and he was finished, but only after a huge fight. Trump won’t be able to put up a fight. He will be destroyed on his home soil before he can do damage to anyone.

        • JASON Y…except nobody really cares about U.S. Home soil much anymore.

          Maybe the Chinese will invade…for the coal.

          In 2001 it was still important but now it has lost its triple-A rating, been bankrupted by overseas wars, Gen Y lives at home at the age of 30, college graduates work in Bistros and well, there is little importance to the rest of the world.

          I’m not sure any country would want to invade the U.S. and inherit its NAMS, bad infrastructure, political divisiveness.

      • Anti-Globalist sentiment definitely has legs, but Trump being primarily focused on profit and ‘good deals’ won’t be able to make it walk like some of the emerging European parties will be able to.

        • China would not care what Germany refused to buy.

          Europe is not a big economic power anyhow outside of a few Northwest European countries.

          Spain is basically North Africa. Italy is always rocked by political corruption. Greece is bankrupted semi-Levant anyhow.

          Malta is in Arabia, Eastern Europe in Russia

  8. America bothers other countries, nobody is bothering America. Iraq didn’t invade the U.S.

    Less whites (Including Jews) and a higher population of tropical people whose IQ is rarely above 100 means that America is becoming like Haiti AFTER the French LEFT. Who really gives a shit about it?

    Syria is not talking about invading the U.S. China is not talking about becoming involved in building a Wall with Mexico.

    Nobody really gives a shit about the U.S. anymore. Europe would rather do business with Asia. Australia would rather do business with Asia.

    Other countries mind their own business and are separated from the U.S. by two oceans anyhow.

    Nobody could easily INVADE the U.S. Arabs swinging scimitar swords won’t storm the beaches of Virginia. Korean and China lack the naval power to invade California.

    The United States is not that interesting to anyone anymore. The economy has shifted to Asia and the place is a backwater between Hollywood and Manhattan or Chicago and Dallas.

    • Jason Y

      The US is still the main mother station of the world economy whether or not America’s culture is cool worldwide or not. If it’s stock market goes down, then the world is screwed.

      Now, China, in reality, has been massively slowing down. I think your estimation of Asia is exaggerated. Actually, Trump’s anti-global stance is making things tougher on China than they already are, and already even a year ago we see large empty apartment buildings in China built by the false assumption the Chinese economy would just keep expanding.

      • Yee

        China’s most famous “ghost city” West media talked so much about is in Inner Mongolia. It is basically a coal city, over built at it’s peak, those apertment were new, unsold. When coal price dropped, no more new comers, no more selling apartments. Developers fled, banks swallowed the bad debts, everybody else move on.

        Other places are all the same, with the banks end up the biggest losers.

        • YEE Mongolia is a relatively underpopulated country of Native Americans who never crossed the land bridge and still shoot arrows on horses.

          Ghost towns have existed everywhere.

          Shopping malls are not the attraction they were 30 years ago because people shop online, download their films etc.

        • China was not going write any check to bail them out, were they?

        • Yee

          US indutry are not as bad as some might think. It’s very strong at hi-tech ends, chemical, medicine etc.

        • Yee

          Last I heard, the Mongols were trying to borrow money from India to pay their govt staff. Seems India promised 10 billion US dollars. Good for them.

        • Yee

          Now, the Aussie are indeed doing a lot of business. We in Guangdong province are burning Aussie natual gas to cook sweet sour pork.

        • Yee

          A mistake at the amount India promised to Mongolia.
          1 bil not 10 bil

  9. JASON Y

    I was in Dubai and sometimes in India in 2008 during the Great Recession and it did not affect them anything.

  10. YEE This is true but the United States has a vast underclass of all colors (Including Asian Americans in the drug or prostitution trades) whose IQ is not high enough for one million years of government-funded training to qualify them for anything.

  11. YEE China and Australia could both live without trade and China’s co-dependency is on Southeast Asian countries for raw materials, import/export, business with overseas Chinese communities etc.

    If Australia were closer to Philippines or Singapore where the Fuji Chinese have a fair amount of commerce than trade might be stronger but it is the real remote places like New Guinea or Borneo nearest Northern Australia.

    Chinese in Southeast Asia have always regarded Australians as white trash Brit rednecks and this is not terribly inaccurate.

    • Yee

      Never mind how the Chinese sees the Assie, business is business. Actually, most Chinese don’t know the history of Australia.

      Aussie are selling a lot more than just raw materials, diary products, fruits, beef, seafood are also big business. They even try to sell us kangaroo meat, I don’t know how that ends up.

      • YEE

        Lee Kwan Yew once called Australia “the new white trash of Asia” which is ironic considering he grew up in a British colony.

        Southeast Indonesia and Malaysia froze the Fuji merchant class out so actually I do not believe there will ever be any significant trade between Australia or China that creates economic dependency.

        White Australians have a really harsh immigration policy in addition.

        • Yee

          Their immigration policy is not harsh at all if you have money. I don’t know if the policy has changed or not, but a few years back it’s fairly easy to “invest” your way into the country.

  12. Duterte himself has to plead for Chinese investment. The Western World is simply to broke to loan out money to China’s “cooked” barbarian borderr countries.

    • Yee

      China ‘d be willing to pay any amount to the Philippines to alienate the US. Because the South China Sea is THE most important sea route for us, and US is capable to cut it off. But problem is, no one knows when Philippines decides to change side again.

      • I’m sure Vietnam and Malaysia would sit silently if such a thing occurred in the South China Sea.

        Filipinos are not important to the U.S. any more than to Japan. Nobody would care if every single Filipino left the U.S. Their nurses are all ex-hookers who will send every penny back to their worthless booze and shabu-addled lowlife husbands anyhow.

        Philippines is not really Asia anyhow: its another failed Latin American country run by a Spanish white elite with Mestizo poor and sometimes rich and sometimes poor (Not every Chinese in Philippines is as rich as Sy, believe me) Chinese merchant class.

        • Yee

          Of course no one cares about the Philippines except Filipino themselves, just like you wouldn’t care about us.

          Philippines has the advantage of having a choice between two powerful rivals. She would have done very well if she had played her cards well. But unfortunately she never had smart enough politicians. Clinging too tight to US in the past, naturally China will be cautious. Duterte is making a great gamble by abruptly change sides, which isn’t smart either. Their politicians should take a lesson from any popular highschool girls in how to handle such situations.

          I don’t want to talk about Indonesians. Just wish all the worst for their religion and their nation.

      • YEE Chinese bribery can only go so far which is why it did not save the Chinese in Indonesia when Suharto left the building.

        Philippines offers little to the U.S. except headaches.

  13. YEE

    China dominates Southeast Asian sea trade by sheer geography.

    You’re welcome to Philippines.

    Spanish Mestizos will probably always run the Philippines anyhow.

    It is puzzling why exactly Indonesians attacked harmless Chinese shopkeepers instead of the Suharto regime that actually bankrupted the country. Fuji Chinese are not really street criminals (Besides robbing some casino of other Chinese or frying their own brains on the Meth they sell) and one wonders why THEY were to blamed by Indonesians instead of Indonesians themselves.

  14. CREADERS has a point that if the Chinese did not pay Indonesians slave wages, nobody would manage businesses well enough to pay them anyhow.

    Exactly WHY Indonesians burn Chinese shopkeepers who at least give them SOME KIND OF JOB is sort of puzzling.

    I’m not sure why Malays cannot run their own countries, but they seem to have difficulty doing so. As CREADERS remarked, they are pretty low IQ.

    Tamils and Malays will grumble in Singapore but if every Chinese Singaporean left tomorrow it would become a swamp.

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