Hybrid Vigor Works in Humans as in All Biological Organisms

Barack Thatcher: Sidetracking just a little bit. Could it not be argued in some ways “race mixing” is healthy because it reduces the odds of getting recessive genes? I.E. you’re more distantly related to people of other races?

Barack: hybrid vigor is well known. All of the best animal and plant breeds are produced by a process of ever more scientific “race-mixing.” And it’s gotten damned fancy these days. Look at all those cannabis strains.

Even in the wild, a species, subspecies or even regional population that has low genetic diversity (the pure races these morons cheer on) is considered to be at risk of extinction. In population biology, the more diverse the genome of the organism, the more healthy it’s population is deemed to be, as it can weather changes better.

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27 responses to “Hybrid Vigor Works in Humans as in All Biological Organisms

  1. To Robert, while this is true it’s not that simply when applying it to Human races.

    Generally hybrid vigor’s strength is generally reflected in Human outbreeding. This however doesn’t require someone of another race and generally, due to major genetic differentiation of races, en-masse race mixing could result in defects as well if not properly deselected for.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/16/ethnic-genetic-interests-and-group-selection-does-exist-a-reply-to-jayman-2/

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2015/07/02/dailymail-mixed-race-relationships-are-making-us-taller-and-smarter-children-born-to-genetically-diverse-parents-are-more-intelligent-than-their-ancestors/

    That’s not to say individual shouldn’t, but they run the risk.

    • Barack Thatcher

      because unlike “pure races” or “long term hybrids” (African-Americans, Ashkenazi Jews, etc.) there has been no selection against negative traits?

      You would’ve seen these “Defects” in the early days of these two groups emerging (their ancestors’ hybridizing).

      • “because unlike “pure races” or “long term hybrids” (African-Americans, Ashkenazi Jews, etc.) there has been no selection against negative traits?

        You would’ve seen these “Defects” in the early days of these two groups emerging (their ancestors’ hybridizing).”

        Well actually I’ve read of certain mental disorders being more common in certain Jewish groups, but generally yes. Their compensation with inbreeding with IQ selection may’ve been too narrow but I’m unsure.

        But overall yes, as unlike say a mixed population like say various European-Amerindian populations, U.S Blacks of slave ancestry have their White ancestry more “enveloped” by more black ancestry more often than just mixing with more and more Hybrids. Though that not really selection rather than just merely “equalling out” the risks.

        Selection would be more like genetic sweep with certain traits, such as possibly beneficial ones Eurasians got from Neanderthals while at the same time getting rid of negative variants.

      • Jason Y

        Barack brought up a good point. OK, African Americans ARE hybrids. But we don’t see blood type problems with them at all.

        As for Brazilians, well we see problems, but the whole thing there is a freak example. You cannot compare race mixing in certain areas of Brazil which might be over-kill to race mixing in the US, normally some BBW women mixing with blacks who tend to be attracted to the type.

        • There are NO problems whatsoever due to racemixing in Brazil or anywhere else for that matter. Show me any mixed race population anywhere on Earth that has any sort of problems due to the fact that they are mixed. I am not aware of one single such case.

          Is this finding a transplant thing really that hard. Latin America is race-mixed to Hell. Is it really that hard to find transplant matches down there?

        • “Barack brought up a good point. OK, African Americans ARE hybrids. But we don’t see blood type problems with them at all.”

          You missed my explanation of why.

          “As for Brazilians, well we see problems, but the whole thing there is a freak example. You cannot compare race mixing in certain areas of Brazil which might be over-kill to race mixing in the US,”

          Except I’m not talking about race mixing in the U.S, you should remember that I’ve shown to a commenter a month back that in the U>s it;s hardly a problem.

          I specificall said EN MASSE race mixing, i.e BRAZIL.

          “normally some BBW women mixing with blacks who tend to be attracted to the type.”

          Well that of course due to IQ, and I actually hinted at the relationship between marriages and IQ of the man through statistics on divorce.

        • To Jason,

          Actually, compared to whites, African Americans are less likely (93% vs 67%) to find a blood donor match.

    • Generally hybrid vigor’s strength is generally reflected in Human outbreeding. This however doesn’t require someone of another race and generally, due to major genetic differentiation of races, en-masse race mixing could result in defects as well if not properly deselected for.

      Nail on the head.

      Linda Gottfredson explicitly states this as well.

      • Can you show me anywhere on Earth where en masse racemixing (which has gone on for tens of thousands of years) has resulted in any sort of defects?

        This doesn’t happen in the wild either. Even if you cross two subspecies it doesn’t happen. Even in the rare cases where two species start interbreeding (in which case we downgrade them to subspecies) this doesn’t happen. I have never seen the tiniest bit of evidence that interbreeding of different organisms in the world is harmful in any way, shape or form. After all, mass interbreeding of organisms is what shaped evolution in the first place.

        • Defects in what way?

          In a study of 100,000 mixed-race adolescent school children, those who identified themselves as such had higher health and behavior instances than those of one race. The effect was still observed even when SES and other factors were controlled for. A problem with an obvious genetic component.

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

          Yet another study done on white-Asian mixes notes that they have a two times higher rate to be diagnosed with psychological problems such as anxiety, depression and substance abuse.

          http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/uoc–baa081108.php

          It was found, in agreement that black-white mixes engaged in more risky behavior than did monoracial children. They also observe that mixed-race adolescents are stark outliers in comparison to whites and blacks, which still holds true despite being raised in similar environments to monoracial children.

          http://www.msu.edu/~renn/RHE-_mixed_race.pdf

          Black and white couples also conceive children at around half the success of white male/female couples. And the aforementioned bone marrow/blood transfusion problems.

        • “Can you show me anywhere on Earth where en masse racemixing (which has gone on for tens of thousands of years) has resulted in any sort of defects?”

          See my other comment

          “This doesn’t happen in the wild either. Even if you cross two subspecies it doesn’t happen. Even in the rare cases where two species start interbreeding (in which case we downgrade them to subspecies) this doesn’t happen.”

          While consistent cases ofd Heterosis’ health benefits seems evident, what about behavior?

          https://www.petfinder.com/pet-adoption/exotic-pets/case-against-hybrids/

          And nonetheless, there is evidence that in the case of human the effect of Heterosis does exist with general outbreeding but becomes more complicated in race-mixing as I’ve shown with blood types.

          “I have never seen the tiniest bit of evidence that interbreeding of different organisms in the world is harmful in any way, shape or form. After all, mass interbreeding of organisms is what shaped evolution in the first place.”

          Well there was a cost with neanderthal Mixing.

          http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/10/30/030387

          And again your point shows with the concept of variance, but what about the ways organism specialized for certain disease for example.

  2. Barack Thatcher

    Assuming (((brainwashing))) is not the culprit, I always found objections to interracial unions to be somewhat “offensive”.

    Many people don’t get on as well with their own race and turn to other races. It is truly an ‘act of love’, so to speak.

    I suppose domestic violence rates are higher in these unions, but it’s only a small fraction where such things do occur. Are we going to ban all because of this?

  3. Jason Y

    Yep, that makes sense, but obviously such ideas will run into massive opposition on race realist blogs like that one (among commentators).

    One thing they try to bring up is the “lack of blood type thing”, among other stuff. Can Robert or someone explain how these ideas are not really that important in the “big picture”?

    Well, for one thing, it doesn’t mean shit, because it’s known we live in a toxic hell-hole anyway, cancer causing agents everywhere, which can only be countered by antioxidants. So what big deal is blood type in the big picture?

    By the way, they also want to bring up stupid crap that reminds me of something off “Birth of a Nation”, the whole, the hybrid is an angry jackass mix prone to mental illness etc…

    • “Yep, that makes sense, but obviously such ideas will run into massive opposition on race realist blogs like that one (among commentators).”

      Because there is data showing it’s not that simple in application.

      “One thing they try to bring up is the “lack of blood type thing”, among other stuff. Can Robert or someone explain how these ideas are not really that important in the “big picture”?”

      Thanks for proving that you have bias by not being able to logically explain why the “blood group” aspect is irrelevant but instead have the urgency to do it with your own political ideas.

      “Well, for one thing, it doesn’t mean shit, because it’s known we live in a toxic hell-hole anyway, cancer causing agents everywhere, which can only be countered by antioxidants. So what big deal is blood type in the big picture?”

      Uumm…wow…even if what you said was remotely true that would make blood types even more dire due to increased needs for transfusion.

      “By the way, they also want to bring up stupid crap that reminds me of something off “Birth of a Nation”, the whole, the hybrid is an angry jackass mix prone to mental illness etc…”

      Generally, there is evidence of increased rates of certain negative behaviors in these populations.

      Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it any less true. Now, you could suggest reasons why it is but you haven’t done so have you?

    • Jason Y

      I’ve always seen incest as a thousand times worse. Look at certain middle eastern nations, for instance, Pakistan where 70 percent of people are doing first cousin marriage😆. However, due to PC, you cannot say incest that much on the news etc.. without offending people. It’s worse than even mentioning radical Islam.

  4. Jason Y

    The tendency would be to think I’m just defending mixed raced people to be kind, to not hurt their feelings, because well, they do get picked on a lot by racist assholes growing up and whatnot. But it’s not about feelings, but more about real science.

    Also, I am concerned about children of incest also and am not mocking them, but mostly their parents for being idiotic in dating first cousins.

    • “The tendency would be to think I’m just defending mixed raced people to be kind, to not hurt their feelings, because well, they do get picked on a lot by racist assholes growing up and whatnot. But it’s not about feelings, but more about real science.”

      If that were true you would’ve used science rather than talking about “Birth Of Nation assholes”.

  5. RockT

    I’m not as concerned about mixing as some, but let’s face it guys; the “establishment,” “nwo,” “the man,” or whatever you want to call it is promoting it, they invented it. Can you be anti-establishment while insisting upon it?

  6. Natz

    Regarding this and bad recessive genes I’ve the argument that breeding with individuals more closely related, that have a higher chance of having the very same recessive genes, can actually be a means by which the group as a whole gets rid of these traits permanently via death or lack of offspring (you are so sickly no one wants to have children with you, or you can’t have children). If the bad genes don’t get expressed, they won’t be selected upon, and so they might stick around for longer and show up sometime in the future instead. Whereas breeding with someone less genetically related might give you more of an advantage in the short-term, in the bad traits not showing up. Or something like that.

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