This Time, a Lot of Poor and Working Class Whites Did Not Vote Against Their Best Interests

TJF: and Rob has basically also stated more than once that poor whites vote against their own interests (I partially agree but I think it’s requires a long nuanced discussion – Indiana whites helped put Barack Obama in office in 2008 and Trump in 2016 – Did those broad minded whites in 2008 who supported Obama (Hope and Change) become rabid racists and sexists in 2016 (to be sure there are many of that ilk in Trump’s camp) or something else at work?) .

Look at that Carrier video. I bet everyone in that damn room voted for Trump. People on the Net are telling stories about towns and cities in the Rust Belt where the plants closed up and went to Mexico and threw thousands out of work. One woman said the plant closed in her Ohio town and 2,000 people were thrown out of work. She said the whole town voted for Trump. Another man spoke of some very real poverty now afflicting parts of rural America, maybe especially in the Rust Belt. He said almost all of these towns have homeless people now, homeless Whites. And they never had that before. Many of the homeless are families with children. One town stopped giving out homework assignments because 20% of the students were homeless. This is an all-White school in an all-White town.

In other words, there is mass homelessness in White rural America now.

It’s as clear as air that neither Obama nor Hitlery nor any Democrat gives 1% of a flying fuck about these people. Obama and Hitlery’s response to those poor people being thrown out of work at Carrier would be to laugh and cheer. “That’s the free market!” Hillary would chortle. “We are talking basic free market economics here. If the corporation had to move to Mexico to get higher profits, then that was the right thing to do! Only corporate profits matter! Nothing else does! The Hell with the Little  People!” Her eyes lowered. “And never forget. I was a Goldwater Girl in the early 1960’s. My family was stinking rich. I went to an Ivy League School. I haven’t changed one bit. I have no idea how the Little People live because I’ve been Ruling Class my whole life.”

“We are free marketeers,” Obama would intone. “The only thing that matters is profits for corporations. Nothing else means anything. These trade deals are great because they are help US multinationals make even more billions in profits. So they are bad for 90% of the people. They’re all losers anyway. The real winners are millionaires like Hillary and me. They rest of these working stiffs are all losers. Even my hero Ronald Reagan said so.”

Actually, both Hitlery and Obama recommend “education” and “retraining” for the millions fired from their jobs by free trade. They’ve been talking about this crap forever, and it’s never worked.

Death to Globalism! Death to the Globalists!

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32 responses to “This Time, a Lot of Poor and Working Class Whites Did Not Vote Against Their Best Interests

  1. Tulio

    Yes they did vote against their interest. Because they shoud’ve known they were getting scammed out of their votes by Don the Con. He’s already backed off from several major campaign promises and it hasn’t even been a week yet. Who wants to bet that he doesn’t repeal NAFTA? At most he might tweak a few things then claim he fulfilled a promise. I highly doubt he’ll start a trade war with China too.

    What people have to remember is that high productivity per worker is the main reason for lack of demand in the the job market. Productivity has mushroomed in the last few decades. You can much more work out of each person now. We actually manufacture far more than we did during the golden era. But now we have less need for workers.

    Now wait till driverless cars hit the road in a couple years. Trucking jobs will be a thing of the past, and these jobs are huge for blue collar white males. Trump won’t save them. We need socialism, or some form of guaranteed income and universal healthcare, but Trump and the Republicans would never allow that.

    • Jason Y

      Yeah, you got a point. I’m trying not to sound anti-working class white and get banned, but you gotta admit the robots have done a beating to the working class, regardless of foreign outsourcing.

    • Jason Y

      Again, also as Tulio was saying Obamacare will get banned, with the thought he new jobs (which Trump won’t bring) will give people enough money to pay for private healthcare.

      Finally, as noted in Kiyosaki’s books ( a mentor of Donald Trump), the industrial age is dead. It’s now the information age, which doesn’t fare well for the Ohio factory workers Trump is lying to.

      • Jason Y

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        blockquote>with the thought he new jobs

        he jobs, not wuss jobs lol. Make America Great Again, LOL

        No hairdressing jobs or anything like that.

      • Gay State Girl

        Do you think the yellow man’s burden might ever spur job growth for poor white people if we ever come full circle and East Asian investors might have an interest in investing in middle America as their own countries are crowded and congested? It’s happening now with farmers in Western Australia.

        • Jason Y

          Some whites are way too arrogant to work for Asians, thinking the white man should be master. This is especially true with poorer white who feel especially humiliated. Even in my hometown the local Asian company refuses to use an American name.

    • you can’t do anything about increased productivity but you can do something about outsourcing, so why not do something about what you can do something about?

      and why vote for someone who definitely wont help over someone who probably wont help?

      Trump hasn’t had time to fail you yet but at least you can say fuck off to the people who have. At least we’re talking about it.

      hey, at least relations with Russia are improving.

      If robots make enough people redundant, there will have to be a universal basic income st some point. that’s regardless of any individual president.

    • TJF

      To Tulio:

      Because they shoud’ve known they were getting scammed out of their votes by Don the Con.

      Trump is a turd – but in the long it doesn’t matter..

      What Trump voters (and Bernie voters) have done is register their anger that jobs are moved over seas at a rapid rate with no consideration of the community or the workers…the vote was heavily a protest vote.

      Change doesn’t come over night. Have you watched any interviews with Trump supporters when they were queried how much they thought he could turn around..? Some responses were very realistic along the lines of wanting to be at least heard.

      And of course a President doesn’t make laws, congress does.. the public has made a shot across the bow of the US ship. Which ever party (or a new party) that can actually listen to working class people and take real action will make hay.

      What people have to remember is that high productivity per worker is the main reason for lack of demand in the the job market. Productivity has mushroomed in the last few decades.

      Well, yes — that’s the neoliberal line..like any good line of hokum it has some truth but may I ask… do you think the jobs of the laid off Carrier workers will now be done by robots in Mexico…?

      Just looking at the trade deficit over time is a strong refutation of “we are mostly losing manufacturing jobs due to efficiency..” The ballooning trade deficit coincides well with 1) Nafta (93) and China’s entry into WTO (2000)

      http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

      And I mean what are all those Chinese factory workers doing… ? Exercising and collecting dividends…? Or perhaps are they making products being shipped to US shores..?

      The trade deficit is now around 500 billion a year… that’s 8.3 millions jobs at $60,000 per worker.. and that doesn’t include a multiplier effect (infrastructure, maintenance, houses built for workers, etc…) Compare that to the 5 million jobs lost in manufacturing since 2000. (Much of the trade deficit is due to manufacturing (which includes oil/energy production).

      http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/economy/us-manufacturing-jobs/

      • Tulio

        US manufacturing output is nearly at an all time high:

        As you can see though, you can see the disconnect between output and unemployment being due to high productivity.

        http://www.heritage.org/~/media/images/reports/2010/b2476/b2476_chart5.ashx?w=500&h=620&as=1

        We do produce things. We produce a lot. We need fewer people to produce them than ever before.

        With regards to the Carrier jobs you mentioned in Mexico, let’s not forget that we also benefit from foreign companies opening plants here. There is a Nissan plant right outside my city. Airbus just opened a new plant in Alabama. Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, Kia, VW, Mercedes. All these major international automakers have plants they’ve opened in the US.

        • TJF

          To Tulio:

          We do produce things. We produce a lot. We need fewer people to produce them than ever before.

          Yes, over time productivity does increase but I call those figures into question. First the link you posted comes from the very conservative Heritage foundation – basically a think tank for the right of the Republican party and are very pro business, anti union, and pro globalism – so consider the source.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
          http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/06/the-truth-about-nafta-lessons-for-trade-negotiations

          Members of the Heritage foundation helped write NAFTA and were huge proponents of TPP – I would be surprise if they didn’t come to the conclusion their version of free trade wasn’t the cat’s meow.

          They use terms productivity and output without defining them.
          Does output = Total dollar amount of sales..is every component of the “American made” product actually made in the US? Higher dollar output over time can be caused by inflation, producing more upscale items (Think Mercedes vs Ford Fiesta) etc., does that output have foreign content, if so how much.? Can a car can be assembled in the US from parts made elsewhere and the full sale price be marked as an increase in output..?

          I’ll give you an example – the Swiss watch industry has a enforced standard – 51% of the content of the watch has to come from a worker based in Switzerland, but the devil is in the details – as it is defined as 51% of the labor value. So workers in China devote 10 hours to making the parts of a Swiss watch and get paid the equivalent of $2 an hour. Total labor value = $20 – A worker in Switzerland works on the watch for one hour for the equivalent of $30 an hour. Since the Swiss labor value exceeds the Chinese labor value – It is still considered a Swiss watch – even though Chinese workers labored 10 times as long as the Swiss worker. Welcome to globalism and how something may be defined as manufacturing output even when their is a legally enforced standard in place (As opposed to a loosely defined term from a staunchly neo-liberal think-tank like the Heritage Foundation).

          Once again I put you to a chart of the US trade deficit:

          http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-balance-of-trade.png?s=ustbtot&v=201611051022r&d1=19160101&d2=20161231

          Flat (meaning fairly well balanced) from the 50s to the early 80s – recovering to flat in the early 90s after the 1987 plaza accords which weakened the US dollar (plus the “voluntary quotas” for Japanese vehicles which were put in place because of the US labor lobby – which eventually encouraged Japanese auto makers to build in the US).
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_export_restraints

          Then the deficit began again in earnest after NAFTA and became acute after China’s entry into WTO. It’s now literally $400 – $500 billion a year, that could be spent in the US.

          Even if a factory goes to maximum efficiency (all robots) you still need someone to build the plant, maintain it, service the robots, pave the roads to the plant, and provide the electricity. The trade figures (And China’s huge factory build out) undercut the BS blaming job losses solely or even predominantly on productivity,

          Then there is also the issue of lower environment and labor regulations (Many of which were put in response to disasters in the US) – China’s regulation for employees and pollution are notoriously less rigorous than the US. Paying more to provide labor for US workers while the Chinese people had cleaner air and a safer work place seems like it would have been worth it:


  2. Barack Thatcher

    The biggest concern now (and Xi Jinping has said he might try to push something like this) is an OPEC- fracking effect with regards to Chinese manufacturing.

    OPEC has such high profit margins they can afford to reduce them to stifle or fracking industry…China can probably do this, or perhaps something worse;
    Jack-up prices (since we really have no alternative goods), although they would have to align with other rival third world industrial nations like Bangladesh, India, etc.

    Obviously both would cause a lot of pain, although with the latter scenario there is “light at the end of the tunnel” so to speak.

    • Jason Y

      Yeah I’d say Trump wouldn’t be so popular in China and now China is becoming stronger. Could this lead to a war, as trading problems also caused the war against Japan way back ??

  3. Jason Y

    It’s a little tougher than it seems, and I don’t want to sound anti-working class. However, robots have taken a lot of jobs, at least some have claimed this fact, but others harshly disagree. Of course, there are jobs for misplaced factory workers in fast food and retail, but they pay far less.

    Note, there is a boom in health care across the nation due to the elderly population, but then again, it requires education, unless it’s some CNA job

    I don’t really know what to say, because I fear sounding anti-working class and getting banned.. Well, one question I could ask, and don’t ban me, is, “How is the minimum amount of education to say work in a medical office, and why is it seems like some are not willing to go for it?”

    • Gay State Girl

      What about energy sector jobs? People are making $70,000 a year in the oil fields of North Dakota. How much education does that require?

      • Jason Y

        That’s true. It seems a really manly man would just ditch the Ohio town and go there. However, the reality is the fact that “Something too good to be true, normally is.” Possibly the competition for those jobs is severe, even though they are dangerous. I’d say even the competition for a shark pool cleaner is out of this world.

      • Jason Y

        It boggles my mind though that these energy sector jobs are so close to Amerinidan reservations. Are the Amerindians getting some of those jobs? If they are, then their poverty problems are solved for at least another thousand years.

      • Tulio

        Are they still hiring up there? Because now that the oil market is slack and prices are low, there’s not as much demand to get at this more expensive to reach oil in the upper midwest and Canada. I could be wrong, but I’d heard a lot of oil workers got laid off the last few years as the gold rush was over, for now anyway. If oil prices spike and it becomes profitable to drill there again, then I suppose the demand will come back.

      • TJF

        To Gay State Girl:

        What about energy sector jobs? People are making $70,000 a year in the oil fields of North Dakota. How much education does that require?

        Well often more than $70,000 with over time, requiring less than a high school diploma. It is very rigorous, potentially dangerous, and highly cyclical work only available in certain parts of the country (North Dakota, Texas, Wyoming, with some drilling in Pennsylvania and Ohio).

        As Tulio noted there has been a protracted downturn in the industry since the end of 2014. The market price for a barrel of oil in mid 2014 was $100, it hit $26 earlier this year and is hovering around $45. Subsequently the number of oil field workers has declined dramatically.

    • Jason Y

      Again note hypocrtical WNs will say “If you can’t feed them, don’t breed them.”, but it always applies to NAMS, not working class whites.

    • Brian Damage

      Ivanka’s daugthers speak Mandarin. Jared is influenced by Kissinger, Niall Ferguson, Charles Murray and Rupert Murdoch. The go ahead to run for Presidency had the blessings of Murdoch. Jared and Ivanka’s marriage was made possible by the intervention of Wendi Murdoch. Go connect the dots..

  4. TJF

    Yeah it’s all about efficiency, using overseas workers and paying them less money.

    Correction to my previous post – NAFTA went into effect in 1994 not 1993:

    NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html

    Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001:

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2014/12/11/outsourcing-to-china-cost-us-32-million-jobs-since-2001

    And the above figures do not include places like El Salvador, Haiti, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, etc.

  5. Homer Simpson

    Maybe that’s why Hitler invented National Socialism in the first place, as the way he saw things as by conquering ‘inferior’ whites nations such as Poland & Russia, he would somehow align the interests of both the capitalist & worker classes together, in that the former would get cheap peasant slaves & access to capital to help them get rich through blunder, meanwhile the working people be able to enjoy social welfare benefits such as more food, better housing & better healthcare via the theft of the conquered people’s former property1

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