Crime and Capitalism – The Unbreakable Link

When China went from Maoism to Dengism, the crime rate exploded. The same thing happened in Eastern Europe and the former USSR. The crime rate went nuts in all of those places, and most of them got significantly taken over by Organized Crime gangs.

Now, I agree that there are many great things about capitalism, and in many ways it is better than Communism. But the links between capitalism and crime are very deep. In a nutshell, capitalism causes crime. Period. Now you can say, “Well, I will take that crime increase because I want that higher standard of living,” but capitalist fanboys refuse to even admit to the capitalism-crime connection.

I read a chapter in book for a college course book back in the 1980’s that compared Western European countries and found that the more socialism they had, the less crime and vice versa.

Blacks have a low crime rate under Communism, but under capitalism, their crime rate goes wild. Cuba is 37% Black by genome. Havana is a very Black city. Havana is the safest large city in Latin America. What crime exists is generally property crime. The violent crime rate is quite low. When conservatives  hear that there is little crime in Cuba, they say stupid things like, “That’s because there’s nothing to steal.” That’s not true, but it’s interesting. Haiti is far poorer than Cuba, but the crime rate is vastly higher. The property crime rate is much higher also. If there’s nothing to steal in Cuba, there’s clearly even less to steal in Haiti.

People don’t realize that even in very poor places and very poor countries, there is still lots of stuff to steal. Even poor people usually have some stuff. The property crime rates are exploded in ghettos, barrios, favelas, slums and shantytowns. Clearly there’s plenty of stuff to steal.

I have a theory for why Blacks commit so much more crime under capitalism than they do under Communism, but I will let you commenters take it away.

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22 responses to “Crime and Capitalism – The Unbreakable Link

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  2. Brian Damage

    I have been to Cuba. It is a police state. The blacks there are poorer than the non-blacks. Believe me, lower crime there is not due to communism.

  3. Sam J.

    “…In a nutshell, capitalism causes crime…”

    This is silly. This is like saying bread causes penicillin. In New York state in the 50’s they had the death penalty for any crime with a handgun. They of course had almost no gun crime. The real question is why does severity of crime punishment collapse under capitalism?

    • Jonathan

      Black crime rate will be fairly under control in communism. Robert is right. Ocourse,The concept of equal prosperity to everyone is anathema to the ideology of faggot Alt righters. They always want some one to look down.

      • Not quite: Capitalism does allow people with a slightly higher IQ the opportunity to live in safer neighborhoods because they can hold a job and have less children.

        Sweden and Germany have the worse problem because the wealth is so evenly distributed that Somalis who were shooting at one another on camels with rocket launchers last year move nest door to a professor.

      • Russian mafia of Sons Of Anarchy and Pacino’s Cuban assassin in SCARFACE illustrate that hard-line communism makes being a violent street criminal more difficult than capitalism.

        However hard capitalism is on the labor force and socialism on the creative/innovative I am not sure it is has any effect on the criminal element.

        Look at Gypsies of Eastern Europe.

    • “The real question is why does severity of crime punishment collapse under capitalism?”

      Can you give another example? I could be able to see some sort of connection though I’m not familiar with this association being particular with capitalism.

      My guess in America’s case though would be higher altruism and/or weakening solidarity leads to higher leniency.

      If you were to connect this with capitalism I guess one could say it’s due to lack of centralization but I’m just guessing.

      • Sam J.

        I wouldn’t be so blunt but Phil knows who I am. So…

        From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. 40 per year.

        http://www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom/lynchingstat.html

        My belief is that Blacks don’t respond well to punishment that’s not scary or draconian. Not all of course but the ones that have poor self control. If they see super harsh punishment for crimes then they are less likely to do the in the first place. This of course applies to Whites but I think it takes less draconian punishment for Whites to get the message.

        I also believe that Black children require more say…whippings or loud denunciations to get them to behave where as with a White kid mere admonishment could in most cases heel them in. I think that the boot camp programs they had for Black children where convicts scared them to death and regimented their behavior had good results. I may be wrong about that but it seems I remembered that being the case. If there were some process to keep Black kids from being so violent and acting more civilized I would all for it. If this doesn’t take place at some point Whites are going to start wide spread retaliation. I’m not one of those that thinks this is a good thing on the other hand I’m all for retaliation if it will keep them from attacking White people. Whatever it takes. I’ve had enough.

      • Hell, depotism was a common way to rule in Africa. Ever heard of Dahomey? The most influential Kindgom in Pagan West Africa as it was fiercest, were most of it’s citizen weren’t ethnics of the original population but rather conquered people.

        Yes, I agree, compulsion is a mechanism that’s needed. My idea is that a black sub-section of a black community could use at least to the extent possible to keep a community stable. What holds a black community from being productive is the poorer leadership of blacks, as they were described to be a people to be ruled. While I have been to a pleasant black area with a white mayor, but seeing not only how the place looked but how they ACTED, it made me determined to figured it out with black leadership.

        Thus I devote myself to studying records of different Africans and looked for the best examples of leadership and looked at their traits.

        Basically what is needed to deviate from depotism is legit solidarity among the masses, requiring elimination of the unstabled and increasing those who can cooperate and have an capacity to be docile.

        Another factor I found is the ability to actually produce wealth, so a work ethic would have to be both selected for an promoted.

        This can be achieved by changing the selective pressures of an areas with a new cultural dominance of a sub group, in other words, the rise and influence of the best black subgroup in the area.

        Social evolution in the context of natural selection is simple overall, application is hard though under these conditions.

        • Sam J.

          You need to look at what the Black Muslims are doing. I don’t know this as a fact but I believe that the Black Muslims can be quite violent towards those that go against them. Maybe that keeps them in line?

        • To Sam,

          Both historical records and experiences of others I know support this.

          When my mother lived in Brooklyn, she remembers the Muslim community that lived near hers. They were very different, with little tolerance towards ill-behavior and likely responded aggressively to it.

          Check out this quote from a Muslim traveler during Islamic occupation of Mali.

          “The negroes possess some admirable qualities. They are seldom unjust, and have a greater abhorrence of injustice than any other people. Their sultan shows no mercy to anyone who is guilty of the least act of it. There is complete security in their country. Neither traveller nor inhabitant in it has anything to fear from robbers or men of violence. They do not confiscate the property of any white man who dies in their country, even if it be uncounted wealth. On the contrary, they give it into the charge of some trustworthy person among the whites, until the rightful heir takes possession of it. They are careful to observe the hours of prayer, and assiduous in attending them in congregations, and in bringing up their children to them.”

          On Fridays, if a man does not go early to the mosque, he cannot find a corner to pray in, on account of the crowd. It is a custom of theirs to send each man his boy [to the mosque] with his prayer-mat; the boy spreads it out for his master in a place befitting him [and remains on it] until he comes to the mosque. Their prayer-mats are made of the leaves of a tree resembling a date-palm, but without fruit.

          “Another of their good qualities is their habit of wearing clean white garments on Fridays. Even if a man has nothing but an old worn shirt, he washes it and cleans it, and wears it to the Friday service. Yet another is their zeal for learning the Koran by heart. They put their children in chains if they show any backwardness in memorizing it, and they are not set free until they have it by heart. I visited the qadi in his house on the day of the festival. His children were chained up, so I said to him, “Will you not let them loose?” He replied, “I shall not do so until they learn the Koran by heart.”

          http://gozips.uakron.edu/~amartin/global/Ibn_Battuta.htm

          It’s been that way for a good while. However I want to keep in mind, not all of Muslim Blacks are “civilized”, keeping in mind Islam is still Islam.

          In terms of carrying over the same type of aggressive adherence I’ve found to be correlated with how much North African Caucasian they had. For example, the Fulani, a “whiter group”, were described to be more “devoted” compared Mandingos like the ones described above as my link explains that they still had some animist influence.

          Also, if you look at the major Muslim terrorist groups in Africa, they are mostly Mixed groups to some extent like the Tuaregs in Mali or Hausa in Nigeria.

          The trade off is the more Muslim you are the higher your historical society would be ,though that would mean approaching the present their backwardness is more organized and aggressive.

  4. iffen

    A communist or socialist government will be more communitarian (or should be) and will be more beneficial to those less able to compete in the free for all. This strong safety net will eliminate a lot of crime by preventing most people from “falling through the cracks” and becoming desperate in their behavior.

    • Sam J.

      I think you have it all wrong. Capitalist economies have a large amount of power centers compared to Communist societies. Capitalist can have “criminal” power centers without it effecting their rule in any way. Communist being the only power can not allow any other power to control the state or it’s functions. Crime is essentially Capitalist. Therefore Communist have draconian punishment and crack down on crime.

      There’s a large body of books and articles that say the reason the West used to be less criminal is because for hundreds of years we gave the death penalty to most criminals. Drawing and quartering and all that. You stole a loaf of bread and they hung you. The criminal element was genetically purged.

      There’s excellent evidence that genetic emotional behavior can be changed quite quickly. One such is foxes. In Russia a geneticist breed only foxes that were more tame. In six generations they had some foxes that actively wanted human attention and behaved much like dogs.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox

      I think before the civil rights revolution Blacks were moving towards a more responsible people with less violence. After that young Black Women were able to choose who ever to have kids with, have the State pay for it and they chose thugs. Therefore all Blacks and Whites are becoming more thuggish.

  5. Its definitely an interesting theory. Seems like it could be true. I guess I need to see more evidence before I’m convinced.

    Would like to hear your theory about blacks under communism vs capitalism.

  6. Jason Y

    Right no crime, but no freedom either. If you want to live in a world like a Jehovah’s Witness church, then yeah you can expect crime will go down for ALL races. However, who wants to be a sheep?

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  8. Tulio

    “Now, I agree that there are many great things about capitalism, and in many ways it is better than Communism. But the links between capitalism and crime are very deep. In a nutshell, capitalism causes crime.”

    There is more crime in hot weather than cold weather. So I guess sunshine is the cause of crime. That’s makes about as much sense as blaming capitalism for crime.

    The greatest cause of crime is cultural values, or lack thereof. And that’s particularly true with violent crime, especially rape which has no financial motive. Show me a non-authoritarian society with a low incidence of rape and I guarantee you that’s a thoroughly decent society. Strongly religious nations may also have a low crime due to imposition of values and strong sense of community religion fosters.

    • “The greatest cause of crime is cultural values, or lack thereof. And that’s particularly true with violent crime, especially rape which has no financial motive. Show me a non-authoritarian society with a low incidence of rape and I guarantee you that’s a thoroughly decent society. Strongly religious nations may also have a low crime due to imposition of values and strong sense of community religion fosters.”

      Well, exactly how would you measure religion in a society in this context, I ask because I’m pretty sure Eastern Europe is more traditional in applying religion to everyday life compared to the U.K.

      Overall you somewhat have a point in an association, but not much in a universal explanatory factor.

      If we were to observe relevant factors of a population and notice aspects such as GDP, standard of living, and their relation to crime those association can be drawn back towards that nation’s IQ which would, on a grand scale, affect the culture you speak of.

      Rape for instance is simply impulsiveness, correlated with not just IQ but other factors in behavior. Granted theoretically crime could be lower under the conditions you explained relatively in a low IQ nation, but HBD would still be relevant their as that would be a function of behavior.

      • Tulio

        Social science is not an exact science like mathematics where there are convenient universal truths that apply under all scenarios. There are trends and there are many layers of complexity and many exceptions.

        There are low IQ societies that are fairly safe. Take the San people, some of the lowest IQ people in the world. Does anyone actually fear them as criminals? It doesn’t seem as if anyone does. In their case, they have small interconnected communities(tribes). I’m sure the same is true of Australian aboriginals who have IQs just a low. India is a low IQ nation, but from what I hear it’s fairly safe.

        I hold that the greatest influence in whether you turn out to be a criminal or law-abiding is the quality of upbringing you had and level of parental investment. At least in the developed world.

        • “Social science is not an exact science like mathematics where there are convenient universal truths that apply under all scenarios. There are trends and there are many layers of complexity and many exceptions.”

          That and I’m pretty sure even Robert went in to detail how nowadays it’s rather corrupted with PC influence.

          “There are low IQ societies that are fairly safe. Take the San people, some of the lowest IQ people in the world. Does anyone actually fear them as criminals? It doesn’t seem as if anyone does. In their case, they have small interconnected communities(tribes). I’m sure the same is true of Australian aboriginals who have IQs just a low.”

          Well one the San people couldn’t even adapt to modern society to even become a threat and are basically dying off. Robert has actually written many times about the Abos that actually do live in Australian society being very crime prone.

          Also on the San

          https://books.google.com/books?id=7Mw89BoMMKcC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=keeley+on+the+kung+san&source=bl&ots=DchZh1Ocp8&sig=nXK3dig8uVEsa85EbqCFSs5wQLg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MjIzU_3NJ8quqAG60YGwBQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=keeley%20on%20the%20kung%20san&f=false

          “India is a low IQ nation, but from what I hear it’s fairly safe.”

          http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/why-india-has-a-low-crime-rate/

          From article-“Why is it so? The answer lies in the response of government and civil society to crime data and how sense of law and order in India is measured solely through registered crimes.”

          “I hold that the greatest influence in whether you turn out to be a criminal or law-abiding is the quality of upbringing you had and level of parental investment. At least in the developed world.”

          Well I guess we should agree to disagree. In my opinion, their is probably a point in the sprectrum in genetic disposition where perhaps assistance would help, but if we are talking about actual criminal behavior and not merely criminal actions then to me it’s biological traits.

    • Jason Y

      In response to Phil, again the genetics makes someone prone to being a criminal, gay, learning disabled, diabetic, you name it, but the culture can influence whether or not this genetic problem blooms to it’s full potential. In fact, it has a strong effect.

      For instance, Robert has noted that Islamic nations and Communist nations have low rates of crime among NAMS.

      • “In response to Phil, again the genetics makes someone prone to being a criminal, gay, learning disabled, diabetic, you name it, but the culture can influence whether or not this genetic problem blooms to it’s full potential. In fact, it has a strong effect.

        For instance, Robert has noted that Islamic nations and Communist nations have low rates of crime among NAMS.”

        Well one the point with Islam technically already expresses my point on genetics, and communism could work under their forms of expressed crime but what I’m really concerned about is the potential stability of the people, which police formation doesn;t actually change but does technically changes the actual expressed crime.

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