More on the Left Wing of the Alternative Right

Steve: I read a bit of Rabbit’s blog and it just seemed like White Nationalism.

Rabbit is indeed a White nationalist, that is correct.

Steve: It left me wondering if the Left Wing of the Alt Right just means the left wing of White Nationalism.

Maybe that’s what it is. Left wing nationalists. I don’t think they are all White Nationalists. Left HBD’ers like Liberal Race Realists would be in here too. The Facebook site, Alt Left, would also be Left Wing of the Alternative Right I suppose. They are not overtly White nationalist. More like leftwing HBD’ers, which most people think is pretty weird right there. Robert Stark and Alex von Goldstein call themselves Left Wing of the Alternative Right types. I am not sure if they are White nationalists. Von Goldstein talks pretty Alt Right, but I am not sure if he wants some White state. I mean the guy is Jewish after all. And I think Stark has told me that he might not like to live in the White state.

At any rate, I think that the Left Wing of the Alternative Right could end up being a pretty big faction, maybe the biggest one of them all.

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13 responses to “More on the Left Wing of the Alternative Right

  1. The Alternative Left Facebook page doesn’t get into HBD much, and the response to race realism there has been quite negative. The Alt Left group seems to have quite a few of those, mind you. I’m open to honest discussion of HBD, but it’s not a hill I for one want to die on.

    Just yesterday I posted a poll on the Alternative Left page, asking the fan base what they wanted to hear more about. The biggest response was on issues of economics and trade. Tied for a distant second were civil liberties issues and foreign policy + war related stuff. Feminist and gender related stuff, and immigration and Islamization related stuff were further down. I had no interest in race relations. None whatsoever.

    I began that page to be anti PC, anti SJW leftism. This opens itself up to an open discussion of race, immigration and related topics. The tendency is towards a disdain for mass immigration, grave misgivings with Islam (with little accompanying prejudice against Muslim people) and a dislike of radical groups like Black Lives Matter.

    We dislike the cultural Marxists, but for different reasons than the alt-right does. Marx was for a dialectic based on economic class, not culture. That, more than anything, is what I’d like to see come back on the left.

    • Tulio

      “I began that page to be anti PC, anti SJW leftism. This opens itself up to an open discussion of race, immigration and related topics. The tendency is towards a disdain for mass immigration, grave misgivings with Islam (with little accompanying prejudice against Muslim people) and a dislike of radical groups like Black Lives Matter.”

      I’m on board with all this.

  2. Nebulous Maximus

    I’ve noticed the Alt-Left group on facefuck seems like it’s settled into being a /leftypol/ kind of crowd…mostly Socialists, Social Democrats and even Anarcho-Communists who happen to have a disdain for SJWs and IdPol bullshit. But few people seem to want to touch HBD issues at all. I dunno, to me HBD seems like an effective normie-repellent. The Alt Left becomes a lot lest Alt in groups that are unwilling to at least entertain HBD issues.

    So the question is, is /leftpol/ culture even Alt Left or is it just a Cultural Libertarian -meets- Social Democratic movement?

    I do understand the existential threat that a friendly stance toward HBD poses; go deep enough down that rabbit hole and it starts unraveling the massive rat’s nest of fallacies the past century or so of the Left’s egalitarianism orthodoxy completely depends on. And then of course there’s the obvious, as Robert has pointed out so many times, HBD attracts the deplorables crowd like maggots on dog shit. But….in the end, the truth is the truth, as ugly as it is. It’s a very rare breed that can handle inconvenient truths in a responsible manner.

    • Tulio

      I don’t have any problem with HBD realism. Problem is, few people can seem to discuss it form a perspective of detached scientific curiosity but rather use it as a battering ram to beat people over the head that they don’t like. Then before you have it people are claiming Obama must be stupid because he’s half African and affirmative action must explain why he got into Harvard. That’s where this HBD stuff often ends up. At worse, it descends into eugenics and ethnic cleansing. So the challenge is discussing HBD the way you would discuss any other matter of scientific inquiry without becoming racist.

      • Jason Y

        Based on what Tulio and Phil write, Iv’e seen no concrete evidence blacks are that inferior, or how could they write so well? Are these two blacks really massive outliers among thier race, or actually more represenative of the majority?

        • “Based on what Tulio and Phil write, Iv’e seen no concrete evidence blacks are that inferior, or how could they write so well? Are these two blacks really massive outliers among thier race, or actually more represenative of the majority?”

          Well when you consider Whites who accept HBD are outliers, what do you think?

          Again Jason, unrepresentative anecdotes.

      • Stalin Tonks

        It’s not that Obama is stupid, it’s that he clearly didn’t deserve to be at (((Harvard))) not that going to (((Harvard))) means as much as it used to. Too much (((jewish nepotism))). (((Someone))) noticed that Obama had a talent for making cucks’ vaginas tingle and greased the skids so Obama could get in there.

        • Jason Y

          RobertLindsay cried when Obama was elected. He backs all of the liberal stuff Obama likes, except for illegal immigration and few other things.

      • iffen

        In your opinion, is HBD racist?

    • Yep. I’ve had a few debates on lefty pol and they don’t want to hear about IQ differences at all and will vehemently deny them.

  3. KsytriaKhalsa

    Well, it seems to be Principaled Tradition v Relativism.

    Ie what you describe as the cultural left v alt movements on both spectrums.

    I do wonder now that whites have started swinging away from the branch of progressive relativism; how far will they go to the other side. Will they cry in a century about destroying half the planet with nukes?

  4. Proud squaw

    Most of Alt right is pure unadulterated hate. They do have some sensible points but much of that is drowned in overall hostile and hateful atmosphere prevailing there. Right now trump is their poster boy. I wonder if trump wants to be known as part of alt right. From my knowledge he doesn’t seem like racist in the first place. Hate is only thing that unites the alt right plus disgusting forms of racism that they espouse under the tag. And Trump is not a hater. Left wing of alt right is just a fantasy. They wouldn’t even allow the shadow of leftists.

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