White Nationalists What’s Behind the Pretty-Faced Lies They Front with

But I think that White nationalism is such an extreme and brutal movement that even with the nicest of White nationalists, sooner or later, some really nasty racist talk is going to come out. There’s probably no way for them not to do it. It’s probably nearly a rule.

Let’s face it, the White nationalists are most racist of even all the racists. I did not know much about them when I first ran into them on the Net and I believed all their lies. They told me that they didn’t hate any non-Whites at all. Instead, they were lovers. They simply loved their own race and meant no ill will towards others. They simply wished to live with the people they loved. They told me that they were not racists at all really. Instead, they were cynical “race realists” who had reluctantly come around to basic differences between the races. They were not White Supremacists at all. They did not think Whites were superior to other races. They were careful to point out that White nationalists and White Supremacists were two different things and most White nationalists were not White Supremacists.

I soon realized that these were all lies. All White nationalists are White Supremacists. Sure not all White Supremacists are White nationalists, but nowadays a lot of them are. The longer you lurk around these White nationalist websites, the more you realize that these are exactly the same people that we used to call White Supremacists back in the day. Even on the mildest White nationalist sites like American Renaissance, there are references to folks we used to call White Supremacists, whom they see as heroes. David Duke is a hero; he was a KKK leader. There are frequent references to the 14 words. The links between the mild, polite face sites like Amren and the deeper and darker hardcore sites like Stormfront, VNN, and many of the Alt Right sites are much deeper than you think. They’re sort of all linked up together as far as I can see.

It’s not true that the only love their own race and don’t hate any non-Whites. They may well love their own race but they certainly also hate non-Whites. Not necessarily all non-Whites though, as Amren and Jared Taylor speak highly of Northeast Asians, and Taylor likes Jews and thinks Jews are White.

But they all have an extreme hatred for Blacks and a lot don’t like Hispanics much either. They don’t seem to care about Southeast Asians, South Asian Indians, or the Caucasoids of Central Asia. In fact, there was an Iranian forum at Stormfront for a while. They only dislike Turks, Arabs, etc. in that they are Muslims, otherwise they could care less about them.

Some of them are vicious Nordicists who hate all Mediterranean Whites, but that’s not the majority and it’s not even common on pro-Med Stormfront. Some of them are even sympathetic to American Indians. At any rate, they don’t have much hatred for them. They care next to nothing about Aborigines and they never talk about Polynesians, Micronesians, Melanesians or Papuans. Those people might as well not even exist.

The only people who hate Polynesians (sea niggers) and Aborigines (Lucys) are Australian White nationalists, and they are not common.

Some Canadian White nationalists hate Amerindians (prairie niggers), but there are not many White nationalists in Canada.

Latin American White nationalists don’t even hate Indians all that much, whom they regard as annoying and verbally violent at worst. As one said, “You give an Indian a six-pack and a handful of tortillas and he’s good for the night. That’s not so with Blacks.” White nationalists down south mostly hate Jews and Blacks. They also have a much more sensible view of who is White. Latin American White nationalists say that anyone who is at least 75-85% White is White in Latin America.

I do not know much about White nationalists in Europe except that they are very worried about Muslims and the one thing many of them hate more than anything else is Gypsies. This is especially true in Eastern Europe. Gypsies are seen as the “thieving niggers” of Europe.

What seems to tie all of the White nationalists together seems to be a hatred for Blacks.

After that, I would say probably a hatred of Jews. Blacks first, then Jews. They barely care about much of anyone other than that. But yeah, they’re haters all right. In fact, I had bought their line that they hated no one and I was stunned at some of the wild hateful statements they started making after a while. I almost fell out of my chair. The civil White nationalist type is mostly a front. There’s pretty much a Stormfronter behind most of those masks.

We’re not racists, we’re just race realists. This is another one of their lines. Well it’s not true. And anyway, almost all race realists are racists, and often nasty ones at that. Nonracist race realists exist, but they are not common and they seem to be swimming against a tide.

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40 responses to “White Nationalists What’s Behind the Pretty-Faced Lies They Front with

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  2. I’m not so sure that ‘not talking about’ or ‘irrelevant’ is the same as “not hating”.

    I get the impression, even on AmRen, that all non-Europeans are hated (and to a large fraction, well above 25%, non-Nordic Europeans as well).

  3. “Lucy’s”? That’s a new one. Is that because they look like Lucy?

    They also push a mythologized, fantasy notion of the world. Basically the identity politics that blacks et al use.

    “I can’t really tell about the genetics since I don’t have the scientific background, but my impression is a lot of those white identity guys have an extremely mythologised view of the past. This seems to be true even of the smarter ones; e.g. I recently read a bit of Richard Spencer’s twitter account (out of interest in the alt right phenomenon) and he throws out such totally retarded comments as “Europe has always been unified, even before Christianity” (totally ignoring what is known about the ancient Greeks’ intimate links to the Near East, the Greeks’ and Romans’ unflattering view of the northern barbarians, the emergence of Latin Christendom in the middle ages and the fairly late rise of the concept of Europe etc.) or “Europe is a nation”. There seems to be little awareness of the complexities of historical change because everything is reduced to some supposedly unchanging racial essence reaching back into the mists of prehistoric times. Now I’m pretty far right and “racist” myself, but a lot of this really seems pretty stupid…like myth-making for identity politics.”

    Razib says:

    “i knew the pre-WN richard spencer (we lost touch after his ideological changes ~2010). he’s smart. i have a hard time believing he doesn’t know the latest research, which was evening starting to be evident back then. so i think it’s myth-making.

    p.s. a friend of mine sent me a link to a richard spencer interview with kevin macdonald last year i think, pointing to a specific segment of the podcast talking about ancient genetics. kevin was telling richard how europeans 40,000 years ago were white, and those are the ancestors of europeans. that’s wrong.”

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/our-magnificent-bastard-race/#comment-1538023

    It really is mostly nothing more than pushing myths. Don’t even get me started on Nordicists. They’re some of the most delusional, non-scientific ones. Most of them have no understanding of population genetics, nor of the new studies coming out and will just deny them continuing to push garbage.

    • Lucy is that 3 million year old apeman subhuman prehistoric man Australopithicine creature that is an ancient ancestor or ours. She looks pretty monkeyish though.

      • I know who Lucy is I just never heard Abos being referred to as such.

      • Stalin Tonks

        Oh shit Robert that is funny. I call them Abos but I might call them Lucys now.

      • Stalin Tonks

        I think you’ll find that WN hatred of certain groups of non-whites goes down a lot when they don’t have to deal with those groups in person. That’s why we want separation. If I live in a city of all white people I’m going to be way less racist than if I have to deal with blacks all the time. I could easily turn you into a raving 1488 racist. I would just force you to work in a school full of blacks day in and day out until you finally crack which would probably take less then a month.

    • That’s Lucy. LOL they call Aborigines Lucys. LOL that’s some funny shit, man. Mean, but funny.

      I gotta admit that Aborigines are pretty primitive.

      • Shawn

        Overall the main problem with White Nationalism is that it’s a computer & utter catastrophic failure. I mean have WN’s even came close to achieving a white-ethno state? As far as I’m aware? No.

        Now (of course) truthfully I comprehend some WN sentiments. WN’s don’t want whites to become a minority in the Western World and want to preserve Western Culture. What’s wrong with this? Nothing in my eyes — I know for a fact East Asians wouldn’t allow a massive deluge of non-Asians into their nation that would compromise the ethnic & racial backgrounds of these nations and culture. So why should whites? We shouldn’t, period. As a matter of fact what we’re basically causing the extinction of our own race at the fate of our own hands. I believe the Western World should stay white and Western Culture remain intact.

        However (at the same time) I don’t necessarily agree with WN sentiments on most things. They’re too Nordicist and anti-Jewish for my tastes (especially the latter) as some of them blame Jews for almost all problems in the world. Even if you respond to some of those viciously anti-Semitic WN’s with logic & sound reasoning that basically shows how illogical the hatred they have for Jews is they still basically brush it off and continue to hate Jews which is pretty absurd seeing how Jews (Ashkenazim) are clearly white themselves and most consider themselves to be “white” (at least generally in the Anglosphere) Jews consider themselves to be members of the white race and there are even Jews themselves who are WN and I mean legitimate WN Jews not controlled opposition and many Jews are pro-white too.

        Should Europe and the Western World (in general) shut the door on immigration? Absolutely — quit letting racially foreign and culturally alien non-white peoples into our lands. Enough is enough. It’s time to put an end to all this.

        Now do I (personally) hate non-whites or believe that whites are superior over non-whites? Obviously not. Now am I sick & tired of the Western World being a racially heterogeneous society? Yes and if WN’s ever do establish a white ethno-state then I would probably live in that state as long as it contains normal whites and not a bunch of David Duke-esque kooks.
        .

        • TRASH

          Jews are a more successful subset of whites and this invites some resentment.

          Jews lined up at Section 8 in New York (Where 1 in 3 live below the poverty line) refutes any notion that they “stick together” or assist one another.

          However they tend to affect common sense. All graduate high school and most graduate from university.

          Less of them have children out of wedlock at an early age.

          They tend to ignore the taunts of NAMS although some have been known to inflict violence on NAMS in neighborhoods where they are the numerical superiority.

          A few get hooked on drugs or sell them but for the most part less fill the prisons for stupid petty crimes like DUI with possession of methamphetamine in the vehicle (Jewish druggies are wise about the laws).

          They DO GET CAUGHT more often for white collar crimes. They seem pretty amateurish about these.

        • Stalin Tonks

          “Overall the main problem with White Nationalism is that it’s a computer & utter catastrophic failure. I mean have WN’s even came close to achieving a white-ethno state? As far as I’m aware? No.”

          This is a stupid complaint. Just because it has failed to get anywhere doesn’t mean the idea isn’t good. It just means it hasn’t taken off. And it hasn’t taken off for some very good reasons which have nothing to do with WN.

          “Now (of course) truthfully I comprehend some WN sentiments. WN’s don’t want whites to become a minority in the Western World and want to preserve Western Culture. What’s wrong with this? Nothing in my eyes”

          No shit Sherlock.

          “I know for a fact East Asians wouldn’t allow a massive deluge of non-Asians into their nation that would compromise the ethnic & racial backgrounds of these nations and culture. So why should whites? We shouldn’t, period. As a matter of fact what we’re basically causing the extinction of our own race at the fate of our own hands. I believe the Western World should stay white and Western Culture remain intact.”

          No shit Sherlock.

          “However (at the same time) I don’t necessarily agree with WN sentiments on most things. They’re too Nordicist and anti-Jewish for my tastes (especially the latter) as some of them blame Jews for almost all problems in the world.”

          This is idiotic. Jews are a major problem but not the only problem. There are way too many white cucks like Jason Yid.

          “Even if you respond to some of those viciously anti-Semitic WN’s with logic & sound reasoning that basically shows how illogical the hatred they have for Jews is they still basically brush it off and continue to hate Jews which is pretty absurd seeing how Jews (Ashkenazim) are clearly white themselves and most consider themselves to be “white” (at least generally in the Anglosphere) Jews consider themselves to be members of the white race and there are even Jews themselves who are WN and I mean legitimate WN Jews not controlled opposition and many Jews are pro-white too.”

          Jews do not consider themselves to be white and are an extremely anti white group. There’s tons of evidence for this.

          “Should Europe and the Western World (in general) shut the door on immigration? Absolutely — quit letting racially foreign and culturally alien non-white peoples into our lands. Enough is enough. It’s time to put an end to all this.”

          Okay.

          “Now do I (personally) hate non-whites or believe that whites are superior over non-whites? Obviously not. Now am I sick & tired of the Western World being a racially heterogeneous society? Yes and if WN’s ever do establish a white ethno-state then I would probably live in that state as long as it contains normal whites and not a bunch of David Duke-esque kooks.”

          This is sort of okay. There’s nothing wrong with David Duke. Well not his political views anyway.

        • “Jews lined up at Section 8 in New York (Where 1 in 3 live below the poverty line)”

          Source?

    • TRASH

      RACE REALIST Greek and Rome were never Nordic. Sicilians have significant Arabic and North African/Middle-Eastern blood.

      Rome and Greece “Nordic”? Absurd. The Germans were the savages from the North (Goths, Vandals) who overran Italy. Nordics were not refined in any way.

      I do not buy the idea that Greece or Rome were “Nordic” civilizations.

      Scandinavia was a wild and remote place for centuries whose earliest inhabitants (Sami) are Asian anyhow.

      • Stalin Tonks

        There actually is evidence that Ancient Greece was Nordic.

        http://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

        • No there isn’t. That’s a garbage article. The Greeks and Romans were Mediterranean. God I hate Nordicists and their cherry picking and denial of facts.

          Most WN and Nordicists don’t even genetics!!

        • By the way, Nordics are a mongrel race less than 5k years old. Source: Razib Khan

          God, Nordicists really have no idea what they’re talking about and will grasp onto anything that proves their delusions no matter what the science says.

          Just like Afrocentrists.

        • Stalin Tonks

          Race Realist,

          I’m not a Nordicist although I have no problem with them and would like to see Nords survive as a distinct group. I don’t give a shit about their origins I just want them to continue to exist as a distinct population in the future.

          M’Kay?

      • The statues is a dead giveaway.

        Compare Greek statues with Nordic ones. A different people. I give credence to the argument that Greeks may have been more likely to have lighter hair, but they weren’t Nordics. The Greek statues depict people with softier, fleshier faces. Wavy or curly is common, almost the rule. There are few, if any, which depict the “Nordic archetype” as portrayed by Nordicists. The Greek statues don’t have the Nordic angular features, the strong chins, the straight hair. The body type is shorter. The noses are more characteristic of Southern Europe, with less of a concaveness between the nose and the brow ridge.

        They may have come from more Northerly lands, but they were not once the same people as those we call Nordics today.

        • Nordicists, Afrocentrists, what’s the damn difference!! Both groups say “we wuz kangz!!” Both groups attempt to steal other’s history as their own.

          Nordicists are just as delusional as Afrocentrists!! They have a mythologized view of the world!! Muh ancient whites this, muh white gods that. It’s idiotic and non-science.

      • No they weren’t. They were Mediterranean. I love Nordicist fantasies because they’re so funny and you have to make huge leaps of logic to believe it. The Sami are hunter gatherers if I recall correctly. They do have some Asians blood. People think Europeans are ‘pure’ (whatever that means) but that couldn’t be further from the truth. See the Magnificent Bastard Race link.

        • TRASH

          I’m not sure Sicilians and Maltese can really be considered white, much less Nordic. There is a great deal of Arabic and North African blood with some Phoenician (Lebanese) in the bargain.

          Make no mistake that these were also great civilizations from which Rome gained a great deal through transmission from the Near East.

          Germania was quite wild and undeveloped I should add. Rome had great cities when Nordics lived in the pine forests in a complete state of backwardness. Goths and Vandals did eventually gain a great deal from Rome.

        • https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/10/refuting-afrocentrism-part-2-are-italians-black/

          No. That’s Nordicist garbage that southern italians aren’t European and have “substantial MENA and SSA blood. They are in no way Nordic.

        • TRASH

          Mediterraneans had the advantage of greater proximity to the civilizations of the Near East.

        • Correct. But the fact that it took so long for the Nordics to become civilized says a lot. The Romans didn’t think too highly of them.

        • TRASH

          Maltese and Sicilians speak a language that is 20% Arab. Not that some Celtic savage throwing bodies into bogs was superior but to say Eastern Sicilians have no Arabic genes is really pushing facts.

        • It’s minute. The amount of non-European DNA in Italians is lower than the average for Europea. Poles have Asian DNA, Germans and Austrians have negroid dna.

        • TRASH

          I don’t buy that Sicilians had African blood because SSA is so far South of Tunisia.

          Sicilians might have some Arabic blood, however.

        • Arab blood is minute in sicilians. Though I do know a girl who tool ancestry dna who came back 75 percent European and 25 percent Middle Eastern (one of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen). The amount of ME dna I have is around 10 percent, not too high. My family is from Calabria and Naples. We don’t look MENA at all.

        • TRASH

          Italians had a genius for absorbing the best of Greek and Near Eastern culture while discarding the Byzantine elements of the former and the fanaticism of the latter (Muslims).

          Nordics were Vandals and Goths who really had little civilization before they starting invading Rome.

          Sorry but prior to 10 AD or so there was not that much impressive about Germany or Scandinavia while B

        • Stalin Tonks

          Once again, I don’t care about the origins of Nords but I would like to see them exist as a distinct people in the future. So find another straw man to beat up.

        • So don’t push trash about the Romans and Greeks being Nordic. It’s not true. At all. Not even in your fantasy land.

        • Sicilians are White.

          I can’t think of anyone in Europe who’s not White. Gypsies? But those are not the native peoples of Europe. They came from India. OTOH, I have seen videos of Gypsies, and they do look White. They sort of resemble Turks, Armenians or even Jews.

          I know nothing about Maltese people, but if Malta is a part of Europe, then they are White.

        • Stalin Tonks

          Race Realist,

          I don’t know if the ancient Greeks and Romans were Nords and if they weren’t it doesn’t make any difference to me. I want whites to exist in the future and I want Nords to exist as well. Somehow this makes me an evil nazi but whatever.

        • They were not Nordics. I want whites to exist as well but pushing myths like Nordicists do, basically the same identity politics that Afrocentrists and the like partake in is ridiculous and makes no sense. It’s just myth-making, as Razib says. Most WN push myths. “Europe is a nation” and “Europeans have been in Europe for 40k years”. No and no, wrong and wrong.

          At least push truth and not easily refutable garbage. That’s my main problem with WN. They don’t even genetics!

  4. the eastern side

    But I think that White nationalism is such an extreme and brutal movement that even with the nicest of White nationalists, sooner or later, some really nasty racist talk is going to come out. There’s probably no way for them not to do it. It’s probably nearly a rule.

    It’s a rule of social species who haven’t forgone their self-preservation instincts. This is why all racial and ethnic groups are racist, and Whites, being the least healthy, are the least racists.

    Let’s face it, the White nationalists are most racist of even all the racists.

    Let’f face it: you fell victim to the current Zeitgeist anti-White racist myth here. There is a way to know which ethnicity/race is more racist: those who accuse the others of racism more. Whites are racially taunted and vexed and don’t even realize it is racism because they are the only group that has foregone racism.

    Everybody else is racist, and, I dare add, healthfully so: so long as there are races, there should be racism, the best version of which would translate into: realize that all the others are racist, and react consequently. Don’t assail, but pursue your group’s interest, keeping in mind that if you don’t and the other’s do, your group on the whole and you personally will pay a price for it. And keeping in mind that given the nature of human psyche, the others will never stop to vex your group, actually, the more acquiescence they see, the more aggression they’ll exert.

    • Stalin Tonks

      You hit the fucking nail right on the head The Eastern Side. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • Except that this isn’t an ultra complex response, the is a primitive impulse.

      That doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an advantage, but the problem is that you’re sugarcoating it’s efficiency.

      Robert, if you cared to know anything about him, doesn’t believe whites are the most racist and he’s actually very pro-white.

      On the grounds of self preservation he’s okay with it, the problem is that that virtue is not the monotonous virtue of many who Identify as white nationalist.

      Just because one trait has an advantage, that doesn’t mean a trade off doesn’t exist, quite the contrary as that is often the case. In this case often you see it compromising higher senses of rationality and Intuition?

      Think I’m Joking?

      You say he fell for “anti-white” propaganda when he’s explain that he collected this from his experience with WHITE NATIONALISTS, not whites. He has actually stated many times that whites were indeed less racist.

  5. the eastern side

    I soon realized that these were all lies. All White nationalists are White Supremacists. Sure not all White Supremacists are White nationalists, but nowadays a lot of them are. The longer you lurk around these White nationalist websites, the more you realize that these are exactly the same people that we used to call White Supremacists back in the day.

    No, Lindsay.

    Some of these people are tired of seeing esteemed thinkers say things like “The White race is the cancer of humanity” and incur no trouble at all; in fact, being as esteemed afterwards as they were previously. Tired of seeing university professors Tweet things “In the Middle Ages you’d have bet on the Chinese to succeed instead of the pathetic Europeans”, wonder at their absolutely fair complexion, then notice their last name ends in “-insky”, “-stein”, “-berg”, every fucking time.

    As for supremacism, it’s the natural appendage of racism, and as healthy as the other. Groups that are racist successfully achieve supremacy: at which point they

    1) Enjoy it a lot
    2) Work hard to deepen it and grab as many advantages for their ethnicity/race as possible
    3) Deny 1) and 2), with outrage in proportion to how undeniably evident their truth is.

    The solution?

    a) Ethnic states like in Japan, Korea, China. For maximum peace.
    b) A completely borderless world for maximum illiberality, class gaps, interracial animosity and struggling, and for the joy of the top one-per-thousand, needless to add: after all, they enjoy every sort of border.

    Who dines at the table next to theirs, at their restaurants? Who travels on their same airplanes? Who is a neighbor of theirs? Who can physically near them? Not anyone from the masses they mystify in delight.

  6. This is something I’ve mulled over a lot, especially since I do support European peoples keeping their nations as ethnically and culturally theirs.

    I oppose mass immigration, I’m not fond of diversity, and I think immigration which will overrun, or even just transform a nation (especially when its done for ‘markets’ and ‘growth’ and ‘economics’, is evil). Hell, I even support the very basic White Nationalist premise that White people should seek to limit immigration and eschew diversity to maintain their race, though I think this is more practical on an ethno-state level, rather than a “White Nationalist” level. That is, Hungarians wanting to maintain their cultural and ethnic continuity.

    I’m down with that. I’m a big support of White ethnicities wanting to maintain their ethnic and cultural continuity and being non-PC to do so.

    But you’re right on the WN’s. I’ve met many. And there is always, just beneath the surface, a contempt, hatred, or just a willingless to belittle other races. Thats not to say there is no substance to some of their claims. A lot of it is just Race Realist stuff. Yes, India does suck.

    However, they go on and on about it. Always. Never ending. And they’ll say some pretty horrid things. And that seems the norm. The number of White Nationalists who are comfortable in these settings is astounding. I can’t think of exceptions.

    Anyone who would be an exception leaves. Thats what I think it is. People who are OK with white people maintaining their ethnic and cultural continuity see the links with skins, KKK, etc, and just walk away. I can’t think of another explaination. I’ve met others who agree with the basic premise of opposing multiracialism, but they would never go near WN. It’s everywhere. There is always just a few degrees of sepearation. It’s one big tent.

    So WN is some sort of closed circle, where only those willing to talk shit about blacks and Jews and whatever remain. This is why IMO it fails. It automatically excludes the good people.

    REally, WN needs to disappear for Whites to be able to get some decent voices representing them.

  7. ThatBoldOne

    No offense to you but ANY person of ANY race who has the attitude “I only want to live around and interact with my own” is a despicable lost racist. Black or White. I’m mixed with both and I can tell you that I’m not racist.

    Everyone doesn’t have to miscegenate and being attracted to the same race doesn’t make you racist but when you hate on those of us who DO miscegentate(such as myself) and believe NOBODY should because you don’t that’s pretty hateful. Who is ANYBODY to dictate to ANYBODY ELSE which color they get to love, marry, date, be friends with or live next door to? Anybody who thinks segregation SHOULD BE the norm is evil.

    There is good news though. Only their rhetoric is dangerous. White Nationalists are actually cowards and only “come alive” behind a keyboard. They are better at bluffing because they know many tremble in fear at the IDEA of Nazi’s running America. Not to fret. They’re more afraid afraid of the people they hate than they’re trying to convince those they fear to be of them. Believe me I’ve witnessed a few of their “spokes people” get chewn and spit by the very “degenerates” they’ve convinced themselves can’t hold a candle to them based on brain power.

    Like their little cowardly lying idol Hitler they still adhere to “the bigger the lie you tell the more the people will believe. I can assure you they’re all show and no go. Don’t fall for their lame mind tricks and never engage them in conversation. Be a quiet threat to them and constantly keep them guessing. Be the real threat through your confidence and resilience to REMAIN humanitarian and ALWAYS do the RIGHT THING concerning your fellow man of all races. It works. In the end God’ll get ’em and lead ’em to be consumed by their own hatred and cowardice. Trust. 😉

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