The Overblown Menace of Race Realism

Race realist, referring to this post:

Outstanding post. Even with explaining your views on the matter, baseless claims will still be made as to why you’re a race-realist.

This is where I have been coming from since Day One. I founded a movement called Liberal Race Realism, but it was a complete flop due to as the Marxists would say the contradictions. But then I started the Alternative Left, which in a lot of ways is just the same thing except expanded.

I have long held that we on the Left need to deal with the reality of race and come up with some sort of Left project that takes into account the reality of race. The idea that race realism kills liberalism and the Left is nonsense. Liberalism and the Left can cope with any factual reality, including the reality of race. Supposedly it will be fatal because we believe everyone is equal, but most on the Left have never held that everyone is equal anyway, as that is an insane position. And in general most of the Left has not created complete equality, only relative equality. A lot of us are just for de jure equality or equality before the law and equality of opportunity.

The Left can’t keep on screaming that there’s no such thing as race forever.

But I also believe that if the belief in race ever becomes more common, everyone will go to the Right is unfounded. I know a number of good liberal people who believe in race realism. I even knew a Communist who believed in it. You put your average White liberal behind closed doors and put a few drinks in him, and a lot of times the Inner Race Realist comes out.

I say this because I have converted some people to facets of race realism, and they didn’t change their ideology one bit. In particular the race-IQ thing will never fly because most people hate the idea of IQ. It will be hard to get a population that hates IQ to care about the race-IQ facts.

There are some people who never knew about the facts of the Black-White IQ gap until I told them a few years ago. These were very intelligent Whites aged 45 or so.

RL: “Yes, Blacks score 15 points lower than Whites on IQ tests. Blacks are just not as smart as Whites, at least at the moment.”

45 year old liberal: Funny half smile that is hard to describe like he is hearing some odd fact. “Really? I never knew that.”

RL: “Yep it’s been well known forever, and further the tests are not biased, and IQ tests are a good measure of intelligence.’

45 year old liberal: Gets a look on his face like he’s sort of known it all along. “Well, of course. Of course they’re not as smart. That’s obvious. Anyone knows that. It’s common sense.

Then the conversation degenerates into a “Yeah, but so what” discussion where this person basically says:

“Who cares if they score lower?…Who cares about IQ anyway?…Screw IQ tests…Screw IQ…Everyone hates IQ scores, and no one likes those tests…No one cares what your IQ is, and in fact most people are angry if you tell them.”

Then on to whether the tests really measure intelligence or not, and he argues that they probably don’t.

Bottom line is even presented with the facts of race, most people don’t really change their views:

About the Black-White IQ gap: “So? Who cares? So they score lower. Big deal. Why is this important?”

About IQ and IQ tests in general: “The Hell with IQ. Nobody wants to talk about IQ, you can’t talk about it, everyone hates it, no one cares about it.”

About validity of IQ tests: “Well, who says those tests even measure intelligence anyway. There are different types of intelligence. I doubt if they really measure intelligence. Anyway, who cares about any of this?”

I think both sides are way too worried about this stuff. The Left is probably overreacting by shouting this stuff down. The Right is wrong that everyone will go rightwing and the Left will die once they learn the facts of race. Most people probably know about the reality of race on some intuitive level anyway, and even presented with race realist facts which they accept, they don’t seem to change their views.

Bottom line is most people do not care about race realism. It is considered to be sort of smarmy, slimy, disreputable and mean subject, and most people “just don’t want to go there.” Even when they know the facts, they shrug their shoulders. Most people hate the idea of IQ and never want to discuss it. At the end of the day, even if more people believe in the reality of race, I doubt if it would change the political landscape much. Both sides seem to be placing way too much importance on this stuff, while the guy next door basically does not give a damn about it anyway.

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7 responses to “The Overblown Menace of Race Realism

  1. meht barg

    Liberalism and the Left can cope with any factual reality, including the reality of race.

    “Liberalism and the Left” is a formidable improvement over “Communism/Socialism”: high five to you, lol.

    Supposedly it will be fatal because we believe everyone is equal, but most on the Left have never held that everyone is equal anyway, as that is an insane position.

    “Everyone is equal” ≠ “Every culture and race, on the whole, is equal/of equal worth”.
    The latter is no less insane. But it is less effortless to prove its insanity (to people hell-bent on not understanding what they very well see, that is).

    And in general most of the Left has not created complete equality, only relative equality. A lot of us are just for de jure equality or equality before the law and equality of opportunity.

    Absolute equality is attained only in complete annihilation. Life is unequal.
    But amazing equality is to be seen in, for example, the fate of the 10+ million victims of the Holodomor. Or those fields of skulls in Cambodia. Death is the only perfect “equalizer”.

    However, back to

    Supposedly it will be fatal because we believe everyone is equal, but most on the Left have never held that everyone is equal anyway, as that is an insane position.

    Insanity in individuals is something rare – in groups, parties,nations and epochs, it is the rule, Friedrich the Wise.

    • meht barg

      About the Black-White IQ gap: “So? Who cares? So they score lower. Big deal. Why is this important?”

      Because intelligence is in our time the key to power and all what is “success” to humans (power, roughly, although disguised in and under a variety of forms).
      Since everybody stopped believing it was God’s grace to bless some ones and not some other ones with “success”, it became evident that “success” hinged upon personal skill.
      Still, there was “hard work”.
      But especially with the Internet, one comes in contact with all flavours of people. And it’s all too easy to see that some don’t “work hard” at all to do what you can never, or only at the cost of working extra hard.

      Plus, my dear 45-year-old liberal, your very responses and unease speak the importance of IQ. It could be me to ask you why it is so important, you know?

      About IQ and IQ tests in general: “The Hell with IQ. Nobody wants to talk about IQ, you can’t talk about it, everyone hates it, no one cares about it.”

      Are you kidding me?
      I mean, when you say, about anything, that “nobody wants to talk about it”, “you can’t talk about it”, “everyone hates it”, and conclude that “no-one cares about it” you are either a victim of schizophrenia or jesting recklessly.
      Please tell me it’s the latter.
      “Everyone” hates what they fear or crave for: in either case, that must me something very important to them.
      “Nobody wants to talk” of taboos. Taboos are made into taboos as their importance to society and its members is such that if they weren’t made into taboos they’d originate unbearable conflict. Taboos are, given a society, what that society holds in maximum regard. The ultimate desires, whose power is such that it must be denied in order that it may be contained.

      About validity of IQ tests: “Well, who says those tests even measure intelligence anyway. There are different types of intelligence. I doubt if they really measure intelligence. Anyway, who cares about any of this?”

      I could say it and take some pain to support the claim with reasoned evidence.
      I see no need for it however. Your reaction is more than enough to show that you care a lot, thus you believe IQ must measure something of the greatest significance.

      I give it less importance than you (and less than liberals do on the average, frankly); still, I’m glad we more or less are in total agreement regarding the topic.

      Liberals and leftists care about IQ much more than righ-wingers.

      • You seem to be confused of what Robert is actually saying. This isn’t his opinion on IQ and race or how valid IQ is, he’s talking about how well will people actually care about despite it’s relevance.

        “Are you kidding me?
        I mean, when you say, about anything, that “nobody wants to talk about it”, “you can’t talk about it”, “everyone hates it”, and conclude that “no-one cares about it” you are either a victim of schizophrenia or jesting recklessly.
        Please tell me it’s the latter.
        “Everyone” hates what they fear or crave for: in either case, that must me something very important to them.”
        “Nobody wants to talk” of taboos. Taboos are made into taboos as their importance to society and its members is such that if they weren’t made into taboos they’d originate unbearable conflict. Taboos are, given a society, what that society holds in maximum regard. The ultimate desires, whose power is such that it must be denied in order that it may be contained.”

        You seem to be confused of what Robert is actually saying. This isn’t his opinion on IQ and race or how valid IQ is, he’s talking about how well will people actually care about despite it’s relevance.

        Also, that take on taboos, while insight, doesn’t change the fact about people use defense mechanisms to ignore it and even if they do embrace it it wouldn’t be wholeheartedly.

        “About validity of IQ tests: “Well, who says those tests even measure intelligence anyway. There are different types of intelligence. I doubt if they really measure intelligence. Anyway, who cares about any of this?”

        I could say it and take some pain to support the claim with reasoned evidence.
        I see no need for it however. Your reaction is more than enough to show that you care a lot, thus you believe IQ must measure something of the greatest significance.”

        And again not his reaction but a hypothetical example.

  2. Jason Y

    Actually, in most cases NAMS are dumber for reasons other than genetic ones, so the liberal cuck extremist, has a point there.

    Yes, there is a genetic element, but the enviornment is what molds the genetic element.

    • “Yes, there is a genetic element, but the enviornment is what molds the genetic element.”

      Again, despite you knowing jack shit about IQ you pretend as if you have any idea what you’re talking about.

      It works like this Jason. A youth, IQ is malleable. However, without depravity, IQ boosted by environmental factors deceases more and more a heritable traits are expressed into adulthood.

      So any actual gains at youth are worthless by the time the persons an adult.

  3. Ultra Cool

    My view is that race realism and IQ becoming a taboo is one of the greatest achievements of mankind. May it stay that way forever.

  4. ULTRA COOL

    How high of an IQ would a person have to have if they were born in adverse circumstances: single-parent family, mother poor and promiscuous, bad neighborhood, father absent, stepfather abusive, molestation, drugs, poor school, depressed economic area?

    Can a NASA scientist overcome such adversity.

    Those that do are usually artists. But few mathematical geniuses or engineers emerge from these sort of environments. There is no way.

    30% of poor are highly intelligent. This does them very little good. A few of the worst will get into drug dealing or organized crime.

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