Marxists on Reddit Blast the Alt Left

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Shitliberalssay, but it’s not the same thing as what you would expect it it be. You would expect it to be a conservative Republican Trump types blasting “liberals” like they always do. Instead it is from the Far Left. The Far Left actually despises the Liberal Left. They say liberals are just rightwingers. They don’t like social democracy either. They call that reformism.

“Alt-Left”: A Knee-jerk Reaction to the Modern-Left Rooted in Fascist Rhetoric, Homophobia, Xenophobia, Sexism, and Racism.

That’s how they titled their post about my Alt Left post, Dealbreakers: What the Alt Left is Not.

So we are fascists, homophobes, xenophobes, sexists and racists! My! So many compliments all in one post. I could no less than five compliments right in that title alone.

Well all of that figures. I could see that one coming a mile away. We on the Alt Left have to realize that the Hard Left,the Far Left, the Marxists and the Commies are never going to accept us, and all they are going to do is call us fascists, racists, sexists, nativists, and homophobes. I suppose they have a few more names up their sleeves just waiting for us. These people are a lost cause for us.

I do not know what sort of people will be coming to the Alt Left, but most of them won’t be these guys. I suppose most of our new supporters could come from Left-leaning Alt Right types who are sick and tired of the rightwing crap on the Alt Right, social democrats, liberals and just ordinary people who support a more progressive economics but might be more conservative on social issues.

Some other comments

  • Leftwing, but without the left part.
  • Brocialists.
  • Racist, xenophobic MRA’s who support social democracy. It’s part brocialism, part Alt Right, and part fascism.
  • Alt Right with a human face.
  • Ultra brocialism.
  • Social conservatism and fiscal US liberalism.
  • Social democracy, the left wing of fascism.
  • Nightmare Communism Part Deux.
  • Anti-capitalist, but in support of the agencies that perpetuate capitalism.
  • Giving these morons publicity is exactly what they want. The Alt-Right was diligently willed into existence by the sheer persistence of several hundred fascist-wannabes from a few blogs and forums, then by a few thousand on social media. Knowing the terrible political climate now, this Alt-Left thing could get the same traction, and every time it’s mentioned, even mocked, online gives its existence more legitimacy.
  • So Third Position then? Why not just call yourself Third Positionists? Oh, wait, is it because the rightwing needs to use the language & imagery of the Radical Left to gain any traction?
  • Social democratic Alt Right….? I couldn’t even finish reading I was so disgusted. Holy fuck, “Tranny politics”, that is just repulsive. And race realism? That’s not even average liberal racism – that is Stormfront shit.
  • Socialism with national characteristics.
  • Basically /leftypol/.

Wow, we left the Alt Right to form the Alt Left, and now here we are, getting thrown right back into the Alt Right again. I suspect that this will be a continuous thing – that the Alt Left will continue to be called “the Alt Right with socialism” and such. I don’t see that that is what we are, but if that is what we call us, then maybe that’s what we will end up being as people and movements tend to be defined by however others define them, not by how they define themselves.

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39 responses to “Marxists on Reddit Blast the Alt Left

  1. AssemblyLineHuman

    People go to reddit to take part in an echo chamber and ‘validate’ their views. Reddit is big, and one doesn’t want to be seen on the out with reddit. You want to be seen on the in on a place like that.

    Are you one of us, the esteemed, the trendly, the groovy who have global recognition, or are you not?

    Most people here just go by what will get them social acceptence. It doens’t end in high school, though I’m not sure if those posters have left high school yet or not.

    Thats the problem when a site has a distinct persona of its own, and is big, people want to seek acceptance, so they are seen as part of that social circle. Some of them probably don’t really believe what they say. Hell, I’ve sat in meetings with Trotskyite students and even some of THEM were just mouthing platitudes because they wanted acceptence.

    Not many debates in reddit threads, aside from benign ones about whether its better to use BTRFS or ZFS as a mass storage filesystem. It’s not for intellects to flourish.

  2. AssemblyLineHuman

    Just for the record, I’ve generally considered myself “right wing”, though more in the Nationalist sense. However, economically I’m quite left wing, I’m not that enamoured with traditionalism, I don’t really like Conservatives after all, I don’t like Capitalism, I despise Neo-Liberalism intensely, I’m don’t really care about homosexuality one way or another, but I think gay-marriage and gay adoption is faux progressivism, and I think a nation should look after its middle and working class (which apparently the left doesn’t want to do either). Oh, and I’m an environmentalist, don’t like the state or statism.

    Where does that put you?

    This is why I’m thinking the ‘alt-left’ label is applicable to me. Essentially, I’m for a socialistic, progressive state, where the economy serves the people, A people, not just any people, but a particular nation, for their benefit, prosperity, liberty and wellbeing. Where a nation of people own their own land, own their government, own their economy and all this works for their well being, and aren’t wracked with guilt, or a sense of obligation to destroy their identity for some abstract objective.

    • Sounds pretty Alt Left to me. Maybe you could form your own wing or align with one of the existing wings. I think Rabbit’s wing is more explicitly nationalist. I like that you are only rightwing in the sense that you are a nationalist, and other than that, you reject conservatism. Almost sounds like me!

      Sure welcome aboard the Alt Left! The more the merrier!

      • Gay State Girl

        I’m a moderate on economic affairs. I’m adamant about workplace protection and I’m opposed to free trade, but I’m not quite as enthusiastic about a welfare state.

        Of course I believe in HBD and I’m disillusioned with political correctness, although I have nothing against minorities or people with low IQs.

        Where does that put me?

        • I dunno. You have to at the very least support Social Liberalism and a welfare state to be on the Alt Left. If you’re opposed to the welfare state, social safety net or social spending, I would say that is a dealkiller right there for the Alt Left. All the rest of it is perfectly ok with the Alt Left.

        • Gay State Girl

          Lindsay

          To be clear, I support social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans benefits, unemployment benefits, K-12 education.

        • Tulio

          Robert said:

          You have to at the very least support Social Liberalism

          Did you mean Liberalism?

        • Tulio

          Robert said:

          You have to at the very least support Social Liberalism

          Did you mean fiscal Liberalism?

        • Social liberalism is a confusing term, but this is what the liberals in the US push. In terms of economics, it means ideally the sort of economics and politics that liberal Democrats push, the New Deal, the Great Society and all of that. Pretty much Keynesian regulated capitalism with a good safety net. They just happen to call that economic system Social Liberalism. There is a similar system in Canada called something else but it is more leftwing. Both of them are headed away from the center towards social democracy, but Social Liberalism is nowhere near Social Democracy, it’s just headed in that direction. Social Democracy is a lot more Left than Social Liberalism.

        • Why don’t you join the Alt Left, Tulio? We could use some Blacks in the movement. There are some White Politics types in there, but the White Nationalists are in another wing.

          Our wing is against White Nationalism, and there is even another wing that is against HBD, race realism and racialism altogether. They agree that race realism is fact, but they just don’t see the point in talking about it as all it will do is stir up a bunch of racism against NAM’s and maybe feed rightwing politics. It’s like, “How is it helpful to talk about this stuff?”

          We are cool with Blacks. I am not sure if you have to reject BLM and modern antiracism, but you have reject at least part of the Cultural Left. You definitely have to like White people. No White haters allowed. Sure, when we screw up and act bad, we need to be called out and you can do that. But no believing we are pure evil. And I do not think you believe that anyway.

        • Tulio

          Robert said:

          Why don’t you join the Alt Left, Tulio? We could use some Blacks in the movement. There are some White Politics types in there, but the White Nationalists are in another wing.

          Alt left sounds pretty close to what I am. Pro-redistributionalist economics, social safety net. But can’t identify with the SJW agenda and anti-nationalism.

          We are cool with Blacks. I am not sure if you have to reject BLM and modern antiracism, but you have reject at least part of the Cultural Left. You definitely have to like White people. No White haters allowed. Sure, when we screw up and act bad, we need to be called out and you can do that. But no believing we are pure evil. And I do not think you believe that anyway.

          I’m not a supporter of BLM and the “antiracist” movement as molded by SJWs. Of course at the fundamental level I am opposed to racism, I just don’t care for the people who take up the antiracist model and use race as an excuse for everything. Plus these people never want to call out non-whites for their bad behavior.

          I don’t have any animosity towards whites as a group, unless they are of the knuckle-dragging Trump rally type. I’m fine with guys like Bay Area Guy, who I guess you’d call benignly pro-white.

          So it sounds like a group I can relate to. I’m always uncomfortable with placing a label on my head though and try to see myself as an independent thinker that will follow wherever the truth leads me, no matter how uncomfortable.

    • Tulio

      @ALH

      I pretty much share your same views. I have nowhere to really call home in mainstream discourse. Liberalism is too infected with SJWism. The rightwing is now territory of Trump and batshit crazies.

  3. Matt

    The whole thing about Bernie Bros, Brocialists, etc. should be a wake up call to anybody on the wrong side of the regressive left’s “privilege pile.” However much I agree with social democracy, the social safety net, etc. I still have enough self respect not to affiliate myself with a faction that categorically despises me, and will read anything I say or do in the worst possible life because SJW Original SIn.

  4. tet

    You robert are part of alt.right, does not matter do you like or agree, that is how most of people see you.

  5. Jason Y

    Cultural Marxists have taken things a bit to far. It’s kind of like on that movie “PCU” (Politically Correct University). Nonetheless, white supremacists, as evidenced on sites like Daily Stormer, have went to far in the other direction, obviously.

    OK I’m fine with.

    So called race mixing

    homesexuality as long as they mind their own business

    People who choose to marry their own race because they are attracted to them, but not cause of family pressure or laws against race mixing.

    I’m not OK with:

    Self righteous bullying by different races or people trying to deny men the right to enjoy their natural sexual appetite.

    • Sam

      “…Cultural Marxists have taken things a bit to far. It’s kind of like on that movie “PCU” (Politically Correct University)…”

      I agree. People are sick of political correctness. Remember Antioch College where they demanded that any time a Man did anything to a Women they had to ask verbal permission. Like ,”can I kiss you”, “can I stick my finger in your pussy”, etc. They promoted this in a smarmy “I’m superior” way and they went BROKE!! I think people just said,”that’s enough” and abandoned them.

      Antioch College to reopen

      http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2009/06/29/daily15.html

    • Latias

      There is no such things a cultural Marxism. What makes it the slightest bit “Marxist”?

      • Sam

        You’re incorrect. A bunch of Jews in Germany got together to find out why Communism failed to catch on in the Democracies. Frankfort school. They came up with a plan of action to change the culture of societies to make Communism more desirable. I coined the word Socom’s (societal Communist) to describe them. Present term roughly comparatable is SJW. Societal Communism as opposed to economic Communism which was the first phase of Communism. Societal Communism has not failed and has made great gains. It’s appears, to me, that it will destroy all societies where it prevails just as economic Communism destroyed the economies of all countries where it prevailed. Not only is cultural Marxism real it was planned and implemented.

        • Latias

          No, they were not democracies. They were capitalist states.

          Stalin did not support revolution in the Western countries. Stalin practically betrayed Greece.

          You said it yourself. You don’t like communism, therefore you are anticommunist. You want to call it that because communism is something bad to you.

        • Sam

          “No, they were not democracies. They were capitalist states…”

          I was talking about the people not the structure of State so the naming is immaterial.

          “…Stalin did not support revolution in the Western countries. Stalin practically betrayed Greece….”

          So? Stalin wasn’t Trotsky who would have supported them. Stalin had nothing to do with it anyways. The people in “capitalist states”, if you wish, didn’t want Communism so the Jews tried another tact. They’ve been very successful. Ecom and Socom both suck. Mostly because they monopolize power and secondarily because Jews run it and they destroy every thing they touch with their psychopathic nature.

          “…You don’t like communism, therefore you are anticommunist. You want to call it that because communism is something bad to you.”

          One statement does not automatically support the other. The inference you just made up out of thin air.

        • Jason Y

          There has always been people opposed to slavery, racism, sexism etc.. However, perhaps Jews hjjacked the movement for selfish reasons. Sort of taking over to push their own agenda. Note that the Jews practice racism themselves, but scorn others who practice it.

        • Latias

          Only anti-communists use the term “cultural Marxism”. No one on the left uses it.

          Who cares about communism in the West? I really don’t. The primary thing I want is a stop to the imperialist wars, but the ruling class does not see that as a moderate and innocuous demand because it is in their collective interest to support imperialist military intervention.

          Linking “communism” with the machinations of the Jews is clearly reactionary and anti-Semitic. It makes you wonder why Israel isn’t a Marxist-Leninist state.

        • Latias

          You are making terms. You think you are expressing a high degree of profundity by making up neologism for some communists. All you are doing is projecting how your mind associates some movements that do not even have even the slightest Marxist pretense with communism.

          Use more traditional characterizations such as Marxism-Leninism, Trotskyism, left-communism, and anarcho-communism.

        • Sam

          “Latias,”Only anti-communists use the term “cultural Marxism”. No one on the left uses it….”

          So all word association is the providence of the left??? White people don’t say “My Nigga” a lot but that doesn’t mean anything either.

          “…Who cares about communism in the West? I really don’t. The primary thing I want is a stop to the imperialist wars, but the ruling class does not see that as a moderate and innocuous demand because it is in their collective interest to support imperialist military intervention…”

          The present wars we are in are largely triggered by 9-11 which was a joint operation of the Jews and Bush the Traitor. The Jews ARE the ruling class. They run the USA. They control most all the media, book publishing, newspapers, TV stations and cable companies. I’m all for reining in the ruling class and deporting them.

          ‘…Linking “communism” with the machinations of the Jews is clearly reactionary and anti-Semitic…”

          Reactionary is one of those silly words. It’s base though is reaction and yes reacting to the deprivations of the Jews is a good thing. This called “anti-Semitism” but if you’re reacting to the evil behavior of the Jews why wouldn’t you want to be “anti” to them? I’m also “anti” murder, “anti” rape, “anti” Globalist.

          “…It makes you wonder why Israel isn’t a Marxist-Leninist state….”

          They don’t actually want to Communize, Scocomize and screw up their own country just every one else’s country.

          “…You are making terms. You think you are expressing a high degree of profundity by making up neologism for some communists…”

          Of course I’m making up terms. I told you from the beginning I was doing so. I used the short word Socom, Societal Communist”, to represent a lager pool of ideas linked to SJW and the Frankfurt School. People do this all the time. After all words are just short cuts to represent ideas. The Jews of the Franfurt school were masters of the same technique. One was the “authoritarian personality” term used to attack people of WASP decent.

          “…All you are doing is projecting how your mind associates some movements that do not even have even the slightest Marxist pretense with communism…”

          Not so at all and documented. Look at the wiki article for,

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

          One of the first things they say is that they are different from Communist then as you read down they unveil that all these people were Communist and most Jews. A typical lying, Jewish commie technique to deny that which is so and distract people from the truth.

          “…Use more traditional characterizations such as Marxism-Leninism, Trotskyism, left-communism, and anarcho-communism.”

          Uhhh….no. Too broad. I’m specifically talking about the efforts of Jewish Commies to cause societal upheaval, destruction, tension between different races, foster anti-White beliefs, disintegration of traditional two parent family households and traditional values in order to break society up into atomized units they can exploit for power.

        • Cultural Marxism is the same thing as the Cultural Left, Radical Egalitarianism, SJWism, PC Politics, Identity Politics, on and on. I dislike the term Cultural Marxism because I suspect that it might be retarded and prefer the term Cultural Left, which is exactly what these people are.

      • Tulio

        What some refer to as “cultural marxism” I tend to refer to as radical egalitarianism.

  6. Latias

    Is anyone familiar with Harpal Brar and the CPGB-ML? They almost never talk about “social justice warrior” issues. They actually supported Brexit, even though Brexit was mostly supported by “xenophobes”. I know someone who hates Brexit because of the xenophobia behind the campaign.

    I may not be that big of a feminist, but I do know that the PDPA would be more preferable to women than the Saudi moral police or the Taliban that the US supports.

  7. Sam

    What’s wrong with Fascism? I mean Fascism without the fancy uniforms or involving race in any manner. I mean economic Fascism. The whole Japanese economy is set up as one big Fascist state. So is China. For the Japanese this has worked splendidly. For a country with no resources at all to come so far is outstanding.

    I don’t like Communism. The reason is it only has one center of power and if there’s anything you should learn it’s if you have only one center of power eventually some vicious psychopath will take it over suppress/kill everyone. (Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc.) With Fascism even though the State runs policy they don’t necessarily own the companies and there is some competition. Due to this there’s competing seats of power.

    In Germany it was often said that the competing seats of power stymied it’s war effort. I’m not so sure about that as some of the best advances came from people in different power circles ignoring the dictates of the politicians and competing for resources and development of new technologies. A good example was the first assault rifle, the StG 44.

    A intermediate power cartridge full auto rifle. They were forbidden to work on it but did so anyways. I think the StG 44 slowed the collapse of the Eastern front. It was a great firearm advance over everything else at the time.

  8. William

    These guys…. I hope they realize many folks, folks who voted for Bernie are against this modern “anti-racism” extremism. They rightly see it as a distraction by the Dem. Establishment against economic issues. In that way they are alt-left sympathizers. They also subconsciencly see Whites for Trump are actually okay with a welfare state, they just don’t want “them” getting it. More diversity will work against that.

  9. Latias

    Robert.

    You oppose the Euromaidan, US foreign policy, and are not a virulent anti-communist, so you are good enough by me.

  10. William

    Now, let’s not have a knee jerk reaction to this. The Reddit folks may be rid ridiculous but they are crazy, unlike the retards of the Alt-Right/aligned groups who think Whites “invented” antibodies, right after (he) “invented” electricity 😂 Please don’t even associate with those guys, Robert.

  11. Tulio

    Brocialism? That’s a new one for me.

  12. I think I want to be a brocialist. It sounds like fun. How do I join this movement?

  13. SD

    Events in Russia indicate the extent to which Marxism and Centralized Economies will work in the United States.

  14. SD

    I suspect much of Reagan’s success was due to the collapsing Soviet Union at the time.

    To what extent he was himself an economic genius is debatable.

  15. SD

    You ascribe a great deal of Republican traits to somebody who is apolitical and gladly immigrated from the U.S. 20 years ago.

    What I don’t get about fellow North Americans dissatisfied with the way things are is why more of them don’t immigrate instead of hanging around and complaining.

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