Mexican and South American Women and Machismo (Hypermasculinity)

Jorge writes:

It’s curious because it is said that many Paraguayan women seek  Argentine men because Paraguayan men are too masculine and male chauvinist (I don’t know if there is an English word for “machista“).

At least this happens with Paraguayan women that live in Argentina, especially in big cities. They have the image of middle-class/upper-class Argentine men as more “sensitive”. Working-class and underclass Argentine men are not so different from Paraguayan men, but they are still less masculine except maybe in northeast of the country where I live where Argentine lower class men are very similar to Paraguayan men. Paraguayan women know this, and that’s why they prefer men from other regions, especially from Buenos Aires.

I am wondering if machista is an Argentine slang word? In Mexico anyway, the word is macho, machismo or machisimo, and it is used more as an adjective. Macho means “macho,” machismo means the same thing, and machisimo means a highly exaggerated machismo typical of Mexican men. I don’t think it is used as a noun much, but you can do that. Once I greeted my Spanish teacher (from Mexico) with, Que tal, macho? and he really liked that. I suppose a good translation would be “What’s up, stud?” It’s acceptable to call a Mexican man macho. It means something like “dude” but with more masculine implications. It’s not used much by Spanish second language speakers because it is very slangy.

The first time I heard the word machista was when I had an Argentine gf. She told me that she was disappointed that I was not machista. It’s true, I am not machista. It was clear that she wanted a machista man. I am wondering if all Argentine women like that? Do they all demand a machista man? The relationship still worked ok.

I am convinced that Hispanic women or at least the less assimilated ones pretty much demand a machista for a man. I live in a town full of Mexicans, and that seems to be the only type of man that they will go for. I can’t get anywhere at all with these women. I think maybe they think I am gay. I cannot imagine what it is like for a Mexican or “East LA” culture Chicano who is not machisimo or a machista. I don’t see how they ever get a date, much less get laid at all, and I surely can’t see how they get married. If they women all demand machistas, a guy who is not a machista is SOL, right?

As they assimilate, Hispanic women seem to become less demanding for a machisimo man, and they start getting more like White women, who are not so demanding of a hypermasculine man. But it seems like the more they stay attached to Mexican culture (here even third generation Chicanos are still deeply into Mexican culture because there are few pressures to assimilate), the more they demand a machista man.

And around here, if they do assimilate, they often assimilate to “East LA” type Chicano culture, which in my opinion is a completely crap culture. This is the culture of gangs, tattoos, drugs, rap music and even crime, often petty crime. This same culture used to be “lowrider” culture in the 1970’s, which I could actually tolerate, but lowrider culture seems to have been replaced by gang culture, and that’s definitely a downgrade.

Not all Chicano culture is this crap gang-type culture, but far too much of it is. Chicano women deep into this gang culture still want a macho guy. Not as much as the Mexican women do, but still more than a White woman.

I had a date recently with a Chicana. She was a lousy person, but she also made it clear that I was not acceptable for her because I was not a “tough guy,” and she only liked tough guys. She was part of this lousy gang type culture, and she was also sort of a petty criminal.

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43 responses to “Mexican and South American Women and Machismo (Hypermasculinity)

  1. TY 4 the insite. I like reading interesting articles about other cultures and countries.

  2. Lin

    Flirty,long for a machisimo man and has criminal/delinquent tendency….as archetyped by Bizet’s Carmen

  3. SHI

    Taken from somewhere on the web, an article where an Indian woman describes exactly what’s going on with her during rape. Some Bollywood celebrity compared his gym work-outs to “rape”. This has led to a feminist backlash but really, many men in India think like this so there will be no apologies coming anytime soon.

    Robert, your take on this? Have you counseled rape victims because you mentioned that you are a psychiatrist. I once attended a workshop on marital rape victims. They have identical experiences.

    It must be exhausting being a celebrity – hectic schedules, public scrutiny, intensive workouts and unpredictable lifestyles. Is it worth all the money and fame? From your latest comments it seems like it really isn’t.
    Because seriously, you should give up anything that makes you feel like a ‘raped woman’. As a woman I know that kind of trauma is hard to live or deal with.

    You see, during rape a foreign object forces its way into our body, despite our screams and desperate ‘no’s. As pleas go unheard, our unprepared body rebels, hurts, and even bleeds. We fight until adrenaline supports us, and when we can’t resist our rapist anymore, a darkness invades our minds. We feel our heartbeat pounding in our brain, our body becomes too numb to feel any pain and we count each second until our rapist finishes what he started.

    Sometimes our rapists choose to find us at more vulnerable times – when we’re asleep or intoxicated. We wake up with bruises, pain and no idea of the things that were done to us, but an acute awareness that someone used our body like a piece of toilet paper.

    We try hard to remain strong, but reality haunts us for the rest of our lives.
    You know how mean people can be. They call us the black sheep of the family, tell us we deserved it for being independent and living a modern lifestyle. Sometimes they call us liars – manipulative bitches trying to ruin a wonderful man. Others remind us our rapist didn’t really mean it, being the innately good guy he is.

    Even our families abandon us sometimes. They kill us for honour. They try and restrict our already regressed lives. They even ask us to stay mum and make sure no one finds out. They call us an embarrassment for allowing a man to become our rapist.

    Pushed into an abyss of shame, we begin to hate ourselves. We reject our own bodies because they don’t seem ours anymore. We live in disgust and believe we’re better off dead. Some of us find help, but many of us spend the rest of our lives in depression and self-hate. Often we cut ourselves and sometimes even take our lives.

    If you mean the gruelling muscle pain from a demanding workout for a potentially blockbuster movie makes you feel this disgusting, you really should quit it. You may be earning Rs 100 crore, but no amount of money is worth the trauma.

    I’m sorry that we outraging feminists are reading too much into two nonchalantly spoken words. What do we know? We’re just trying to fight the sky-rocketing rate of sexual crimes in India.

    Did you know that 32,077 rape cases were reported in the country in 2015? We think it’s because of our misogynistic society, an inherent apathy towards women and lack of comprehension about the concept of consent. We’re trying to educate people about the profound effects of sexual abuse.
    Maybe you could help us, since you say you now have experience?

    Please don’t ignore my plea for help in this sea of outrage. We actually have the gall to believe such statements are careless and trivialise sexual crimes. We are naive enough to think that comparing rape to any other experience is unfair and desensitises the crime.

    We are scared some of your fans might meet a rape victim and be like “what’s the big deal? I just did a back-breaking work out, I feel raped too.”

    Yours truly,
    A sympathetic woman

    • Thanks, I do not work with rape victims or trauma victims of any sort, but at times I do have clients that have been through what you might call some emotionally traumatic stuff. Like they have been publicly humiliated in front of a lot of people, like for instance, an entire high school. I just empathize with people like that because I have been through some seriously traumatic stuff myself.

      I do know a woman who got raped a number of times and I keep wanting to post her stories, but something keeps me from doing it. I got a lot of crap from Normie morons the last time I wrote the stories of a number of women I knew who had been raped, date rape and otherwise. I also want to do a post on child porn on the Net as I know a lot about it.

      But I don’t go looking for it and I have almost never seen it. But it is interesting as they have a grading scale of ~1-10 with 1 being the most mild and 10 being the worst. Usually stuff that is 1-3 or 1-4 is de facto legal even though according to the law it might be illegal. That is because the FBI could care less about low level stuff like that. As a consequence, 1-3 stuff and even 4 stuff is all over the web, and I do mean ALL OVER.

      1-3 stuff involves underage girls of course, but they are not having sex and for some of those ratings they are often wearing clothes! Naked teenage girls and even teenage girls having sex are all over the web, but not little naked little girls usually and certainly not little girls having sex.

      I really want to write that post, but the Normie shits are going to eat me alive over it. They going to call me pedophile.

      And if you want to know, I could care less about little girls. They do nothing for me. But if you start getting into developing or developed teenage girls, yeah, I am going to get a lot more interested.

      HELL YEAH.

  4. jorge

    “Macho” is the Spanish word for male. For example, if a scientist is talking about a male frog, will say that it is a “rana macho” (rana= frog, macho= male). This is the original meaning.

    And the word also is used for a very masculine man, like you know. You can be taken as very masculine if you are strong, if you are rude, if you are brave, if you fight well… This is common to all Spanish speakers.

    “Machismo” means something like “maleism” (like “racismo” means “racism”). It is used to very masculine men that think that their gender is superior to women, or that have to be dominant and women submissive. Some of this men will beat their girlfriends/wifes if they think that it is necesary, for show leadership for example and put the woman in their place (submissive) if she is not respecting the male dominant place. Even there are women that think like this, and even violence against them can be accepted in case of cheating for example. Many women think that another female “deserve” to be beaten if she cheat her boyfriend/husband. But violence is not accepted in other situations. And, when a men beat to his girlfriend/wife very aggressively or very frequently, her relatives, or even neighbours, will attack to him, even they can lynch him (but this probably happens only in lower class neighborhoods).

    • jorge

      And a “machista” is a “maleist” (I invented this word obviously), like a “racista” is a “racist”.

      You can be very “macho” (masculine) and don’t be “machista” (“male chauvinist” according to Google’s translator).

      • Why was my Argentine gf disappointed that I was not a machista?! She wanted me to be a male chauvinist. WTF.

        • jorge

          Maybe she wanted that you had been more masculine, and she used that word to be understood. Or maybe he wanted that you were a little “machista”, for not being so few masculine.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          it’s cause it’s a rape culture, cuck, Hispanic women are mentally scarred because ALL Hispanic men are rapists (I hope I don’t have to repeat that)….

  5. SHI

    One more wonderful article I found on the web.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-fathers-letter-to-young-men-about-how-to-treat-a-woman_b_5515569.html?section=india

    A Father’s Letter to Young Men About How to Treat a Woman

    Dear Young Men,

    Our confusion about women starts early:

    Last spring, a new family moved into our neighborhood. They have a school-aged daughter, and on moving day she was playing alone in her new yard. Meanwhile, a group of six boys played in our yard. When I suggested they go invite her to play, one of the boys cried out, “We don’t know how to treat girls!” The rest of the boys nodded vigorously in agreement.

    Our confusion about women starts early.

    We’re told they are fundamentally different from us. Women have emotions, but men have muscles. Women nurture, but men protect. Women like to talk, but men like to act. Women want love, but men want respect. Men are from Mars and women are from Venus. We’ve been trained to believe they are alien.

    We’ve even been trained to believe they play differently on a spring afternoon.

    Our confusion about women starts early.

    On that spring afternoon, I told those boys I knew the secret about how to treat girls. I waved them in close. They smiled conspiratorially. Then I whispered, “You start by treating them like a person.” They quit smiling. They asked the girl to play and, in minutes, they were all jumping on the trampoline. Same energy, same laughter, same joy. People being people together.

    Young Men, we can stop treating women like women and start treating them like humans.

    And our subjugation of women began early, too:

    For millennia, we’ve been taught to believe they are not only different from us but also less than us. In the United States, the 15th Amendment gave racial minorities the right to vote in 1870; it took 50 years and four more amendments before women had the right to vote. For centuries, we’ve silenced them. We’ve used women as bodies in the most violent of ways and we’ve used them as entertainment in the most subtle of ways—with glances and gestures and jokes and fantasy and plausible deniability about all of it.

    Our subjugation of women began early.

    We’ve inherited this legacy.

    Young Men, we can stop treating women like subjects to subjugate and objects to objectify, and we can start treating them like humans to humanize. Like mouths with a voice and souls with a purpose.

    But there is only one way to do so: We have to quit hating ourselves first.

    If there is a golden rule in life and in love, it is this: the quality of your love for another is always limited to the quality of the love you have for yourself. Our rejection of a woman’s humanity is a reflection of our own self-rejection. We fail to embrace her fragile heart and her broken story because we’ve failed to embrace our own fragile heart and our own broken story.

    Young Men, we’ve been taught to loathe ourselves if we feel vulnerable and weak. We’ve been trained to think we’re only as good as our next conquest. We’ve been taught to predicate our worth upon being right and righteous. So when we look inside and see all of our insecurity and self-doubt and fear and loneliness, we despise what we see. Feeling an inward emptiness, we seek to fill it up with outward experiences,

    like achievement

    and wealth

    and things

    and people we treat like things.

    Women obsess about their bodies because they have been trained to believe beauty is found on the surface of themselves, rather than in the center of themselves. We obsess about their bodies for the same reason. Having been trained to believe there is nothing of inherent value on the inside of us, we look outside of ourselves for worthiness. We look at them.

    Yet, in the words of Celtic poet John O’Donohue, “We cannot fill up our emptiness with objects, possessions, or people. We have to go deeper into that emptiness; then we will find beneath the nothingness the flame of love waiting to warm us.”

    So, Young Men, the only way to change centuries of confusion and subjugation is to go deeper into your own hearts.

    Quit trying to win the heart of a woman or conquer the body of a woman. Settle into your own soul, instead. Discover there that your worth is not about what you do or what you have, but about who you are. Find a Love there that can embrace your entire humanity — both the strength and the weakness, both the glory and the mess. And once you have discovered that love, start to give it away to everyone around you. Including women.

    Especially women.

    With Hope for All of Us,

    A Father

  6. Jm8

    I’m curious, how was low rider culture different from the modern East LA Xhicano culture (I know vert little about the former)? Was it mainly just less violent and criminal?

  7. Another William Playfair Web

    Spics try to make up for their sexuality inferiority (along with intellectual of course) to Whites by RAPING. That’s where it comes from.
    I almost feel bad for Spic women
    BUT
    they ain’t human. So…I don’t care.

  8. jorge

    I forgot to mention that high masculinity of Paraguayan men did not come from nothing (or nothing more than “their race” or something like this). In 19th century, Paraguay had a war against Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay (the three together) where was destroyed. In that war, died like 90% of Paraguayan masculine population (and between 50% and 85% of its total population).

    So, from there, besides that becomes historically in the second poorer South American country behind Bolivia (while, during 19th century until this war, was the most advanced) and the most corrupt and unequal, Paraguayan men became very valuable in Paraguayan society. So men usually started to have three of four wives (for demographic need), who usually work hard, so many men did not had the need to work very much. So they became probably more dominant (and lazy) with this, because women needed more of men, that men of women. Obviously this changed with time. Today, many Paraguayan are hard workers (at least, those who migrate to another countries, like to Argentina), and maybe exist only very few cases of Paraguayan men that coexists with more than one wife (and they know it, because obviously exist cases of hidden marriages like in everywhere), but still are very masculine and dominant, but, like a response to this, women can be unfaithful with some regularity (while many Paraguayan men obviously are very unfaithful).

  9. Tulio

    ” I cannot imagine what it is like for a Mexican or “East LA” culture Chicano who is not machisimo or a machista. I don’t see how they ever get a date, much less get laid at all, and I surely can’t see how they get married. If they women all demand machistas, a guy who is not a machista is SOL, right?”

    There is quite a hipster subculture now with Chicanos. And with regular Mexicans too. So there are definitely alternatives to the gang and low-rider culture. It’s now cool for a Chicano guy to be a rocker with tight jeans rather than dressed like a cholo listening to rap.

    • There is quite a hipster subculture now with Chicanos. And with regular Mexicans too. So there are definitely alternatives to the gang and low-rider culture. It’s now cool for a Chicano guy to be a rocker with tight jeans rather than dressed like a cholo listening to rap.

      Not in this town it ain’t. These are real Mexicans who came here to work in the fields. There is no hipster culture here at all. There is MEXICAN culture, like from Mexico itself (and nothing hipster about it) and then there is sort of low class Chicano East LA type more or less gang culture (that’s most of the Chicanos here), and really that’s IT. There’s also a 3rd generation Chicano culture that is not gang like, but that is still pretty machista. Those guys are all very traditional men. I can’t get a date in this town with God’s help. These Mexican women won’t even look at me twice. Or once. It’s like I am not even there. These are all more or less traditional minded Mexicans and Hispanics here. They haven’t really assimilated to regular US culture much.

      The only thing remotely like what you are talking about here would be found in say a 3rd generation extremely assimilated Chicana. There are a few gays here too, but there’s nothing really in between macho traditional Mexicans and Chicanos and the fags. And certainly in this poor neighborhood here, it’s machos or nothing. I cannot get ANYWHERE with these traditional minded Mexicans and Chicanas in this town.

      • Tulio

        Yeah, I could see that being the case in a small central valley farm town. I’m sure there aren’t many white hipsters there either. I’m thinking more the big cities. Places like L.A. and the Bay Area.

        • What is a hipster anyway? A lot of the younger people in this town might fall into that category depending on what it means.

          Still though all the Hispanic women are married by age 18 or so or at least by ~21. And by ~23, they have all popped out a baby or two. 100% of them are wives and moms to a kid or two by age 25. There’s like no single women at all. The only single chicks are underage lol. And once they get older, it doesn’t seem like there are any single women either.

          It always seems like all the women are married or if they are divorced then they have some longterm bf. There’s basically no such thing as single women in this town with few exceptions. That applies to the Hispanic women. Not sure about the White women, but it seems like most of them marry real young too and have a baby or two by age 25.

          Early marriage and motherhood is more or less universal in this town. Most of the men are married real young too, and by their early 20’s most of them are fathers. All men in their 30’s+ are fathers, no exceptions. And they’re all married too. It’s like there’s no such thing as a single man either except for a few oddballs.

        • Tulio

          I don’t know how to define a hipster. It’s like trying to define art. I don’t have a definition, I just know it when I see it.

          Women being married off young is pretty much the global norm outside the large, liberal urban centers, particularly in the West. The way I see it, that’s how it’s supposed to be. Women should be knocked up in their teens and done having kids by mid 20s at the latest, at least from a biological perspective. I think it’s a sign of a sick culture that 38 year old childless women are having their eggs frozen so they can spend more time living a life of leisure.

          You said you fly off to meet women or have them come to meet you. How are you meeting these women? Online dating sites?

        • I don’t like the idea that all the women are married and with a kid or two by age 23. That means all the young women are pretty much off limits. I guess they could be accessible later on, but only if they leave the guy. And then you are dealing with a single Mom. Most of the women I date don’t have kids. I don’t like to date women with kids because they involve the kids in the relationship. I have had women dump me because they said their sons would not like me, things like that. Childless women are so much less complicated.

          Yes I meet them all online of course. And I get some right off the website, sort of like blog groupies I guess.

          They fly in or drive in to see me and always stay for a bit. At least a few days but up to 1-2 weeks. I drive or fly to see them and then I always stay with them, even if it is just for one night. But otherwise I stay with them for up to a couple of weeks.

        • Tulio

          Damn, I need to start a blog so I can get some pussy too! Lol.

        • Well I am a little bit blog famous, and this blog has high traffic. I guess if you get a bit famous and get a lot of traffic maybe you can start getting blog groupies.

      • jorge

        Well, it’s completely wrong seem all Mexican people as some kind of gangster or related to hip hop subculture.

        In Mexico there are not only hip hoppers (related to rap or reggaeton), also there are metalheads, hippies, punks, hardcores, skaters, emos, goths, hipsters, bikers, skinheads, rude boys… Obviously some of this subcultures are composed by few people, but another not.

        And, moreover that in Mexico rock and roll is mostly related to middle-class, also have some people in all social classes, in fact, their “rock urbano” (urban rock) it is quite related to working-class.

        And Chicanos from old times had some relationship to rock and roll, well, at least in 50s and 60s. Today probably almost all are related to rap and reggaeton, at least poor immigrants in United States.

        And you forgot they big relation to their folk music (like ranchera), that exist in Mexico but also in Mexican people in United States or in descendants of Mexicans. Also cumbia is a very popular genre into lower social classes, maybe more than rap (at least in Mexico).

        • In Mexico there are not only hip hoppers (related to rap or reggaeton), also there are metalheads, hippies, punks, hardcores, skaters, emos, goths, hipsters, bikers, skinheads, rude boys… Obviously some of this subcultures are composed by few people, but another not.

          We have some skaters, but that’s it. None of those other things exist at all, except maybe some hipsters, but that’s hard to say. I saw one hippie once and one biker. No metalheads, no punks, no hardcores, no emos, no goths, no skinheads, no rude boys. None of that exists here.

          And, moreover that in Mexico rock and roll is mostly related to middle-class, also have some people in all social classes, in fact, their “rock urbano” (urban rock) it is quite related to working-class.

          There are no Mexican or even Hispanic rockers here. Those people don’t listen to rock and roll. I am not sure what they listen to.

          And Chicanos from old times had some relationship to rock and roll, well, at least in 50s and 60s.

          Not around here. No such thing as a Chicano rocker in this town.

          Today probably almost all are related to rap and reggaeton, at least poor immigrants in United States.

          Some of them are into rap, this is true. But they don’t listen to reggae here either.

          And you forgot they big relation to their folk music (like ranchera), that exist in Mexico but also in Mexican people in United States or in descendants of Mexicans. Also cumbia is a very popular genre into lower social classes, maybe more than rap (at least in Mexico).

          Yes I believe that they listen to that ranchera or Norteno music, but that stuff is just Mexican music to me.

      • TJF

        To Rob:

        There is quite a hipster subculture now with Chicanos. And with regular Mexicans too.

        Yep and apparently this has been in existence for a while. A friend of mine, from Seattle, went to Guadalajara in 1993 – basically peak year of grunge. He was talking to some teenagers sitting in a park and discovered they knew more about the Seattle music scene than he did (Understand that this guy’s sister had dated several Seattle area musicians). This was pre-internet and easy MP3 downloads. Basically someone would obtain a CD and then copy it many times over onto cassette tapes and distribute them at a nominal price. They would also copy and distribute magazines like SPIN and music magazines and fanzines from the Seattle and LA area.

        • jorge

          Well, grunge has not much to do with hipsters. Yes, there are hipsters that listen grunge, like any other rock and roll style (or another music genres maybe)… But regular grunge listeners in Mexico are far away from being hipsters. By the way, hipsters did not exist in those times (90s, at least first years).

    • Also these people around here are all poor and uneducated. I have never been able to get anywhere with poor or working class Whites, Hispanics or Blacks. Those women just don’t like me. They pretty much want nothing to do with me for whatever reason. I am so glad I was not born into that culture.

      There was ONE working class White chick who I used to screw on my ice cream truck route. She was married and I would park my truck and go to her apartment and fuck her while her husband was gone at work LOL.

      All my gf’s have always been middle class even upper middle class and sometimes even from upper class backgrounds. Mostly White but some part Mexicans like 1/4 an 1/2 Mexicans. Most have a college education too. I do well with Asian women. They don’t mind me one bit.

      I don’t get anywhere with Black women. They’re totally hopeless.

      Working class chicks are just hopeless. I really get strong vibes like they don’t even like me at all.

      • Tulio

        Working class women of any background are just not into cerebral type of guys. They are very basic and simple-minded women whose lives revolve around gossip and drama. You REALLY have to dumb yourself down to even have a conversation with them. You’re just in the wrong town, buddy. Sounds really thin on options there.

        • I don’t date in this idiot town. I’ve dated four women since I came here. Two East LA type Chicanas, one working class White/Hispanic/Filipina, and one full Mexican, so Mexican she was even an illegal!

          For dating, I have women drive or fly in to date me or stay with me, or else I drive or fly out of town to date or stay with women.

      • TJF

        To Rob:
        I don’t get anywhere with Black women. They’re totally hopeless.
        How about with African women..? Or perhaps you haven’t been around too many.

  10. Tulio

    This is pretty funny:

  11. jorge

    “We have some skaters, but that’s it. None of those other things exist at all, except maybe some hipsters, but that’s hard to say. I saw one hippie once and one biker. No metalheads, no punks, no hardcores, no emos, no goths, no skinheads, no rude boys. None of that exists here.

    There are no Mexican or even Hispanic rockers here. Those people don’t listen to rock and roll. I am not sure what they listen to.

    Not around here. No such thing as a Chicano rocker in this town.

    Some of them are into rap, this is true. But they don’t listen to reggae here either.

    Yes I believe that they listen to that ranchera or Norteno music, but that stuff is just Mexican music to me.”

    Well, what I said is mainly in Mexico. But surely there are some in United States, but probably in bigger cities than yours.

    And I did not say reggae, I said reggaeton, another music genre (you know; Daddy Yankee, Don Omar and all that stuff).

    Ranchera is very strong among Mexicans, and the same with cumbia (a music genre that maybe sound very Mexican to you but was originated in Colombia, although Mexico have it own cumbia style), that probably is stronger in lower classes than rap.

    Probably most part of poor/quasi poor Mexicans in United States are related to reggaeton, cumbia, rap and ranchera, but I think that in bigger cities surely there are some related to rock and roll (no matter if they are not of none subculture like punk, metalhead or something like that), reggae, etc.

  12. Jason Y

    Not all Mexican guys are macho, and not all Mexican women are knockouts, these will go out with each other. Iv’e seen no evidence these Latin nations are full of macho guys. Just as anywhere else, the majority are average, not gay but average.

    • Jason Y

      Of course in my area we got the same kind of dipshits. These white guys all got beards, drive around in trucks and probably cannot due even basic algebra. Mostly they get their redneck jobs because of nepotism.

  13. Another William Playfair Web

    Okay, I’m being serious now. If I was not an opponent of the machismo stuff, I’d probably have sympathies with the “Med Supremacist” (basically think the Nords are low class savages who need to be suppressed) – and it’s true that a good portion of Anglos, like Jason says, act/live like Animals. But this Machismo stuff comes from Spain, not the Amerinds (culturally) so I will say that is animalistic/a drawback.

    I’d say there’s a negative correlation between machismo and Amerind ancestry in Latin America in general – I mean how can a mestizo “dwarf” be macho, I mean isn’t that ridiculous.

    • Jason Y

      Yeah thats a problem with me as I have amerindian ancesty. How can a scrawny guy, one who has to work out 5 times a week to look normal be macho? Well, I saw some Filipino guys pulling that off, but they look silly, just these small guys drinking and smoking like sailors etc..

    • jorge

      I’m not secure about this. In many indigenous peoples of the Americas, men had to be very masculine for being respected. Men had to be warriors. In fact, women also were warriors if was needed. I don’t know in how many peoples around the world, women many times could fight along men in some wars, like in some American indigenous peoples.

      For example Ava Guaranis were tough as Hell in battle. Quechuas (or so called “incas”) had afraid of them (like Chinese from Mongols), Chanes (other indigenous nation) were dominated by them, and Spaniards never could dominate them. They resisted all kind of invasions even until late 19th century, when were defeated in different times by national governments of new countries, especially from Bolivian (that fought alongside to warriors of some other indigenous peoples). But even this army, having many more soldiers, “modern” weapons (for those times) and horses, had difficulties. They were attacked not only by Ava Guarani men, but also by women and children, who painted their faces and fought until die into a quasi-suicidal war against a surprised army by their strenght and bravery, causing more casualties from expected according to their lesser number and technology.

      One of their leaders was taken as war prisoner and tortured in public by Bolivian army, and was famous for not showing pain or emotions until his death.

      Probably many other peoples had this kind of behaviour for their tribal life style, where people have to be hard. Not for being “animals”. Peoples from another races also were very brave and hard, like Mongols, Vikings, Maoris, etc.

      But, apart from this, it’s true that Spaniards are very masculine, at least probably for European/first world standards. I heard sometimes that they have a relatively high rate of domestic violence against women.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        I have heard that the relationship between the Incas and their neighbors was perhaps similar to that of the Romans and the German barbarians. I suppose some were fierce, but in this instance, for example, Germans aren’t macho now? The Incans themselves weren’t macho, it doesn’t seem.

        I think things change, culture changes. The Spanish live the life, but still manage to maintain a decent, united society. Anglos fracture into those who live like Animals and those who don’t. I hope we don’t resort back to this “Anglo roots” bullcrap. Last time I checked, the Greeks, the Romans, nor the Spanish or Portuguese (based on who really had actual quantifiable influence on the U.S.’s founding) – were not “Anglo”.

        • jorge

          Well, it’s true that cultures change. Ava Guaranis from nowadays are not those warriors closed to other cultures like until 19th century. Many have troubles in towns and countryside but more because current social problems (and not their specific culture), like many other working-class/underclass people.

          And Quechuas were some of most complex indigenous cultures in South America, so they weren’t so masculine like more simple or tribal peoples. They dominate many other peoples but gave them some autonomy, built buildings, roads, taught farming techniques, architecture, etc. to the dominated peoples… Except to “problematic” peoples that fought constantly against them. Also, for example, they gave protection to some Chanes (that were persecuted by Ava Guaranis, who took some of them as slaves, married with the women and also ate their best warriors after being taken as prisoners) and have allowed them to live in some towns in frontier with territory of Ava Guaranis, that attacked frequently this towns. So Chanes and Quechuas fought alongside to Ava Guaranis and some times lost battles.

          And is not only Ava Guaranis. Also Yanomamo, Tupis, Mbayas, Wichis, Qom, Aonikenk, Aches, etc., were really hard warriors. Even peoples with relatively complex societies, like Mapuches or Mexicas.

  14. Jason Y

    There is a time and place for everything. I mean, it would be silly to see sensitive deep guys say as prison guards or in the military. It just doesn’t work. If they need to be more than men of steel, they can be that way among close friends or family.

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