Why Race Deniers Worrying about Race Realism Makes No Sense

Ultra Cool writes:

Only a very tiny fraction of people care about racial IQ and at least 95% of them are Nazis, this is why I agree HBD will never be relevant in any country.

A lot of Blacks and liberals are on a jihad against race realism. Their attitude seems to be that it is the enemy that must be destroyed because if it ever catches on, it will be bad news for Blacks and some other minorities. Problem with this theory? It’s never going to catch on. Perhaps it will, but I will take bets that it will never catch on in my lifetime. We won’t see this becoming popular in the next 30 years.

I know this because I talk to people about it sometimes. Guess what? No one cares. No One Cares. No. One. Cares. Do I have to spell it out for you?

And a lot of people are out and out offended by the very notion.

It’s even worse than that. No one cares about IQ either, which is the ledge on which this whole argument teeters. Take IQ Roadrunner out of the argument, and the theory falls off the ledge like the Coyote in those cartoons. If no one cares about IQ, why would anyone care about IQ discrepancies between the races?

I got some news for everyone. Most people are not that smart. As George Carlin said:

Now, the average IQ is 100. Now, think about how stupid your average person is. Ok, now think about this. Half the population is even dumber than that!

Exactly.

Truth is that the only people who like to talk about IQ are those who have high IQ’s, and even many of them do not like to talk about it.

It’s more or less a poison subject in Normie Society. There are lot of reasons for this, but the main reason is anti-intellectualism in America and the fact that when it comes to IQ, most people don’t have very high ones. Normies hate to talk about IQ. If you want offend a Normie, say the word “IQ”. The conversation will probably end right there.

Most people don’t even believe in the concept of IQ. This is especially true if they are PC SJW’s who came out of the university system where the very subject of IQ is dramatically disparaged by SJW professors. Now the truth is that that right there is nearly educational malpractice, but if you had to hold professors to educational malpractice, you would have to shut down every university in the land because they are all teaching SJW Theory as truth, and SJW Theory is nothing but lies.

A high normal university graduate will start to recite the usual BS about IQ if you dare to bring up the subject.

  • IQ doesn’t matter.
  • IQ doesn’t measure intelligence.
  • IQ measures book leaning.
  • IQ measures you well you take IQ tests.

And all the rest of the bullshit.

When it comes to IQ, your average person, even your average college grad and certainly your average writer in the MSM, is far behind the consensus of the psychometric community.

So:

  • If you don’t have a very high IQ, you hate the whole subject of IQ with a passion.
  • Most people don’t have a very high IQ.
  • Most people hate the whole subject of IQ with a passion.

It then follows that:

  • If most people hate the very subject of IQ with a passion,
  • Then any theory based on IQ will fail to be accepted by the public, or worse, will not even be listened to by the public, or worst of all, will be rejected by the public with hostility.

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96 responses to “Why Race Deniers Worrying about Race Realism Makes No Sense

  1. Jason Y

    Well, actually at one time race realism was the norm That’s how come all those naughty things from US history: Jim Crow, slavery etc.. came into being with very little opposition from most white people.

    Your typical liberal doesn’t want to go back to that stuff, and it could very well happen, but as Robert said it would take 30 or so years. However, 30 or so years to get people thinking as they thought for 300 years is a scary thought. So obviously, they want to stomp out race realism as soon as it sprouts up, because it’s impossible to seperate from hate.

    Also race realism creates a society that focuses too much on the negative. We see this crap in Northeast Asia. A total obsession with superiority where nobody different (inferior) is allowed to be proud of who they are, but rather must hide or be ashamed.

    Possibly some race realism is correct, but the scene in Northeast Asia and in the USA past etc.. was too much race realism It went beyond science and into just a bunch of stuff people wanted to believe in, primarily cause it promoted social order, made huge profits (slavery), or in the case of the disabled it probably kept families from being embarassed.

    • Jason Y

      No, hell no I don’t want the USA to go back to the normal way of thinking in the 19th century.

      Too bad people can’t look at race realism in a more compassionate light, so it doesn’t lead to hate and unfair prejudice. However, given history we have clearly seen that is always has.

    • Another William Playfair

      Truth is, the developing countries have a low birth replacement rate, due to wealth/non-agrarian situations. That’s part of why immigration is needed and only non-Whites come in large numbers-since the U.S. is parole as shite.
      Why has China repealed the one child law?
      A brown west with India versus a newly truly Marxist China is the future.

      • Gay State Girl

        Chinese men have to import their wives from South East Asia which lowers their average IQ?

        • Another William Playfair

          They want to replace their population with their own. SE Asian IQs are actually quite decent in the developed world. It’s a cultural thing/sustainability thing. The govt wants to protect itself from populist alt right or alt left type religion revolts.

      • Another William Playfair

        It’s a content thing. They don’t want to have their derives drag out some Trumpish nutcase. Keep ethnic makeup the same.

      • Another William Playfair

        It’s a populist contentment thing…I would think.

  2. Reblogged this on shitholeindia and commented:

    IQ deniers are not idiotic but part of a bigger project which is to uphold the inferior, ugly racial stocks everywhere & to subdue the superiors . As they know, there’s no easy ruling on superiors.

    • Jason Y

      Trailer trash are sooooo superior. Oh, watch it Axl Rose/ Ozzy Osbourne. Don’t get mad at me now.😆

      SWEET CHIIIILD SWEET CHI……..IILD OF MINE YEAH !!!!

      • Jason Y

        I sound like a real anti white working class dickhead, but speaking of an asshole. Anyone seen this movie?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Face_in_the_Crowd_(film)

        It’s odd because Andy Griffith plays an asshole (an evil character). One of the funniest scenes is when an enemy purposely turn on the microphone when it wasn’t supposed to be on. So Andy Griffith starts saying what he really thinks about the TV audience of his show.😆 After that everything crashes down.

        It kind of also reminds me of that scene from Eastbound and Down that was similar.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastbound_%26_Down

      • not all superior stocks are trailer trash, not all Negros are Morgan-Freeman, still stereotypes apply 95%+ of the time

        • Jason Y

          95 percent? How many ghetto blacks are there? How many poor whites are Nazi tattooed trailer trash? I think the numbers would be more like around 15 to 20 percent. This would be another thread in itself.

          If someone really believes negative stereotypes account for 95 percent, then I’d say such thnking is highly dangerous.

    • jorge

      Being smarter means being superior?

      Well, what can I say to someone that only says shit? Go to a psychologist, dumbass.

      • jorge

        I prefer to value people according to their attitude, behavior and moral that his intelligence.

        What value do have being smart if you are an evil motherfucker?

      • Jason Y

        Considering the prevelence of serial killers, Nazis who would exterminate the slavs (as Hitler wanted to in World War II), mad men with atomic weapons, can we really say, “Just go see a psychologist?”. Perhaps they need to be taken out, just as they suggest for ghetto blacks.

        • Jason Y

          Oh yeah, and those delightful wonderful school shooters We always live in fear of them at whatever public venue we go a long with high IQ terrorists, IQ has done wonders for school shooters. We need more of them.(sarcasm)

    • Jason Y

      Again ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Again another example of overkill with race realism, taking subjective and making it objective.

      • Jason Y

        East Indians and Brazillians wouldn’t be in porn so much if most people thought subjectively that they were ugly. Racist people are trying to act like they look like mutants on the movie Total Recall 😆

    • Jason Y

      Sorry put under wrong comment:

      Again ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Again another example of overkill with race realism, taking subjective and making it objective.

      East Indians and Brazillians wouldn’t be in porn so much if most people thought subjectively that they were ugly. Racist people are trying to act like they look like mutants on the movie Total Recall 😆

      • Jason Y

        Hate ultimately biases the speaker. Possibly the speaker has mostly experiences with bad members of another race. So they hate them with such intensity that even the sight of them is subjectively ugly, and then they try to say they objectively ugly which cannot exist.

        It’s kind of like racist members of my family going into a rage for simply just seeing black people on TV.

  3. Jason Y

    I think all this stuff with IQ leads to a lot of hate. The race realism stuff is always a movement to prove one group to be superior than the other, and then rub thier face in shit. I mean, even if people are rubbing white trash’s face in garbage, then that’s not cool either. As we saw that I just did a couple of paragraphs up. You can just as easily apply black face minstrel show stereotypes to trailer inhabitants or banjo picking hillbillies etc..

    I think a lot of this stuff exists because people are always making fun of rural culture (dumb swede jokes, dumb Polish jokes etc.. Alabama nigger jokes) First of all before IQ is even in the picture, it’s common for more advanced city folk to look down on any group that is from the countryside.

    • Jason Y

      It’s debateable though in my comeback on the anti-India guy if whether or not what I said was justified. He went on claiming that white racists are superior, when it’s so obvious so many come clearly an inferor background, anyway you look at it.

      • there’s no guaranty that you are not a fake-id butthurt ,ape-faced negroid…..so no more time wasting but here’s few points to your arguments:
        #beauty can be measured,same for ugliness
        #even the most bleed-heart,enlightened, liberal whiteman never finds a Negress “sexy”.
        #no amount of white-skin /mixture turns a negresss/mongoloid/australoids appealing either….even if this world ever turns 99% Caucasoid, the remaining 1% will never be sought/fantasized after…..
        now keep crying you 2 retards

        • Jason Y

          No your wrong. It’s subjective.

          Mongloloids? Boy, your really pushing it now. Why do some many white guys like Japanese porn then? Why do guys, not always desperate ones, pay thousands of dollars to fly to Thailand?

        • Jason is a transnigger for sure. He came out as Trans a while back. I am sure he is going to start making some demands soon, such for safe places, accommodations, etc. I am inclined to go along with him. The transnigs are where it’s at, bro!

        • Jason Y

          I’m not making demands of nobody. Not even asking for donations.

        • Jason Y

          The main thing in marketing whether dating or business, is you don’t ask anybody for anything. You want stuff to be drawn toward toward you naturally.

        • Jason Y

          With the exception of liking thier appearance, I don’t care much for the black race. They’re a bunch of beggars generally, and the ones the aren’t are too much in the opposite direction, you know the black Muslim types.

          Even blacks that work for a living seem to have a begging mentality in that probably they’re local church and all their black friends all support social programs. They’re is nothing wrong with social programs and I’m all for them, but again, they need the attitude of independence.

        • Aslam

          You are still an india shit head regardless of how you ever you cozy up white people with ids like exposing india & indians, dumb slumdog motherfucking bastard

        • its called “having the courage & honesty”…which u lying shithole rats dont have

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Jason is a Jew. Jorge is a Cuban-Crypto Jew. Robert is a Jew. I’m a Jew. GSG is a Jew. Shithole India is a particularly tricky Jew.
          RUN FOR YOUR LIFE “TONY SWAGGER”

  4. Tulio

    Most people on some intuitive level do believe in differences in intelligence between the races. Their beliefs are just not formalized or critically thought-out into a world view the way that HBD is. Many resist formalizing their unconscious suspicions because it sounds evil. Like something Nazis believed that led to eugenics. So it’s just casually swept away from polite society.

    Even Tim Wise said that he once got on a plane with two black pilots and felt worried about their ability to fly the plane just because they were black. If Tim Wise can feel that, you can only imagine what people who are not dedicated anti-racists would think.

    • Dave Mowers

      Doesn’t it seem silly though? I mean the idea of it, that skin color somehow determines intelligence or ability? If you look at the earliest examples of Sumerian sculptures you will see very distinct characterizations of peoples. The, “Sumerians,” are all really large, tall, long hair almost giants and the workers you see are almost always smaller men, mostly Black men according to descriptions and considered to be slaves.

      Now, these, “slaves,” built some pretty incredible structures. They may not have designed them or the processes but these low-I.Q. slaves were quite capable of completing difficult and complicated tasks six thousand years ago. I think that shows they were as smart as their masters.

      Less sophisticated only due to the fact they were timid while the Aryan or Scythian tribes were brutal killers. Taking the modern Western ideal of political morality it seems to imply that the, “black slaves,” were morally more advanced.

      • They may’ve been a brown race, but I doubt “Black.” Nubians would’ve been the closests sources of Blacks they were mixed with a type that were rather tall, not likely differing that much in height.

        • Dave Mowers

          Probably from India but it is now known that the early cities in Egypt were established by the Sumerians so they could have sourced from both continents. Their writings refer to them as black in color but again that distinction is starkly contrasted by late Egyptian descriptions of Amorites, who were original Sumerians, who are claimed to be so white they were pale with pink skin(sunburn) which shows they were from the northern hemisphere.

          Put a Scandinavian next to an Indian and you can say the Indian is black.

        • Tulio

          I got into a heated argument with an Australian woman that was referring to Aboriginals as “blacks”. She thought it was crazy that I don’t consider them blacks.

        • May 28, 2016 at 10:17 AM

          “Probably from India but it is now known that the early cities in Egypt were established by the Sumerians so they could have sourced from both continents. Their writings refer to them as black in color but again that distinction is starkly contrasted by late Egyptian descriptions of Amorites, who were original Sumerians, who are claimed to be so white they were pale with pink skin(sunburn) which shows they were from the northern hemisphere.”

          “The view that Amorites were fierce, tall nomads led to an idiosyncratic theory among some writers in the 19th century that they were a tribe of “Aryan” warriors who at one point dominated the Israelites. This was because the evidence fitted then-current models of Indo-European migrations. This theory originated with Felix von Luschan, who later abandoned it.[8]”

          “In reality however, the Amorites are known without doubt to have exclusively spoken a Semitic language, followed Semitic religions of the Near East, and had distinctly Semitic personal names, and their origins were believed to have been the lands immediately to the west of Mesopotamia, in the Levant (modern Syria), and thus they are regarded as one of the Semitic peoples.[10][11][12]”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorites#Indo-European_hypothesis

          Now the thing is about Levant was that they were lighter than most Middle Easterners, so those description by Egyptians does seem accurate.

          India sound possible but that seems like a bit of a long distance compared to Nubia.

          Do you have like a reference/source that has specific descriptions of them. It seem unlikely they would’ve described them but not know their geographic origins like most slaves are recorded to come from.

        • http://www.atour.com/health/docs/20000720a.html

          Syrians appear to have originated from Northern Iran, clustering close to types like Turks, Lebanese, and Iranians.

        • Northern Iraq, not Iran. While the latitude may’ve been lower than Europes, I think it may have a higher elevation which could’ve produce some colder areas.

        • http://www.britannica.com/place/Iraq#toc22923

          They’ve came from the Highlands, likely giving them lighter skin.

        • But based off of the Slave’s abilities, that does sound like Indians (Dravidians particularly). The Indus Valley civilization did have some pretty nice architecture.

        • Dave Mowers

          “The Empire of the Amorites,” by A.T. Clay

          You can find the entire book online for free. He describes in detail all of the carved sculptural works and paintings of Amorites found by that date. He also considers them Semitic but cites many references as to their origin being Ur of the Chaldees in Southern Iraq and the history of Ur is known to have begun in Scythia.

          Also, Justus Trogus cites Scythia as the source for Egypt’s first settlers. They have recently found Scythian bows in Egypt and there are images of the bow in artwork as well as descriptions. There is much, much more evidence if you want to get into details like the tombs under Alexandria which contain classic giant-sized tombs with no contents.

          That is because they were not tombs for men but for gods and that is a practice wholly Celtic adopted by Greeks later. Like the Ark of the Covenant it was believed that the god resided inside and would answer your prayers if you worshiped at the tomb.

        • Actually Justin’s Trogus said that Scythians and Egyptians had a dispute on who was older, not that they started Egypt.

          I do believe that diffusion occurred in element of Mesoptamian culture and Egypt but no evidence that Ancient Egyptians themselves were Sumerians but I do think they adopted them.

          ” IN narrating the acts of the Scythians, which were very great and glorious, we must commence from their origin; for they had a rise not less illustrious than their empire; nor were they more famous for the government of their men than for the brave actions of their women. As the men were founders of the Parthians and Bactrians, the women settled the kingdom of the Amazons; so that to those who compare the deeds of their males and females, it is difficult to decide which of the sexes was more distinguished.

          The nation of the Scythians was always regarded as very ancient; though there was long a dispute between them and the Egyptians concerning the antiquity of their respective races; the Egyptians alleging that, “In the beginning of things, when some countries were parched with the excessive heat of the sun, and others frozen with extremity of cold, so that, in their early condition, they were not only unable to produce human beings, but were incapable even of receiving and supporting such as came from other parts (before coverings for the body were found out against heat and cold, or the inconveniences of countries corrected by artificial remedies), Egypt was always so temperate, that neither the cold in winter nor the sun’s heat in summer, incommoded its inhabitants; and its soil so fertile, that no land was ever more productive of food for the use of man; and that, consequently, men must reasonably be considered to have been first produced in that country,1 where they could most easily be nourished.”

          The Scythians, on the other hand, thought that the temperateness of the air was no argument of antiquity; “because Nature, when she first distributed to different countries degrees of heat and cold, immediately produced in them animals fitted to endure the several climates, and generated also numerous sorts of trees and herbs, happily varied according to the condition of the places in which they grew; and that, as the Scythians have a sharper air than the Egyptians, so are their bodies and constitutions in proportion more hardy. But that if the world, which is now distinguished into parts of a different nature, was once uniform throughout; whether a deluge of waters originally kept the earth buried under it; or whether fire, which also produced the world,2 had possession of all the parts of it, the Scythians, under either supposition as to the primordial state of things, had the advantage as to origin. For if fire was at first predominant over all things, and, being gradually extinguished, gave place to the earth, no part of it would be sooner separated from the fire, by the severity of winter cold, than the northern, since even now no part is more frozen with cold; but Egypt and all the east must have been the latest to cool, as being now burnt up with the parching heat of the sun. But if originally all the earth were sunk under water, assuredly the highest parts would be first uncovered when the waters decreased, and the water must have remained longest in the lowest grounds; while the sooner any portion of the earth was dry, the sooner it must have begun to produce animals; but Scythia was so much higher than all other countries, that all the rivers which rise in it run down into the Maeotis, and then into the Pontic and Egyptian seas; whereas Egypt, (which, though it had been fenced by the care and expense of so many princes and generations, and furnished with such strong mounds against the violence of the encroaching waters, and though it had been intersected also by so many canals, the waters being kept out by the one, and retained by the other, was yet uninhabitable, unless the Nile were excluded,3) could not be thought to have been the most anciently peopled;4 being a land, which, whether from the accessions of soil collected by its kings, or those from the Nile, bringing mud with it, must appear to have been the most recently formed of all lands.” The Egyptians being confounded with these arguments, the Scythians were always accounted the more ancient.”

          http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/justin/english/trans2.html

          http://history-world.org/egypt_and_mesopotamia_compared.htm

          I do buy, however, the Origin of them coming from Iraq.

      • Also, it isn’t skin color, it’s also has to do with location and development.

        On average, compared to whites, Black lived in more moist and swamp like place in their early evolution which wasn;t a place for intellectual advancement.

        However, some lived in dryer areas like Savannahs and deserts and were smarter Like Mandingos, Yorubas (their ancestors came from the savannahs but they themselves lived in the forests) Ashanti, etc.

        Still, whites on the other hand lived in even better locations that were relatively colder and geographies that also selected for more cooperative behavior and monogamy which increases docility and cooperation.

        Pygmies, despite living in a hotter region, were known to be cooperative and nice to those who were their friends but where still impulsive due to lower IQ and often stole.

        As far as timid Black go, Igbo slaves like those from Bony were very timid but on the whole most were not especially since many were criminals. Akans from Ghana like the Ashanti were definitely behind a lot of Slave Rebellions which killed many, and some Igboes (these types were likely from Aboh) were more aggressive and warlike unlike their Bonny counterparts and were even worst. Fantis however were Akans that were very different being quite timid themselves, at least the men.

        • Dave Mowers

          I can’t remember offhand which Greek said it but it was said that Caucasians, Celts etc. where from a harsh region in the Caucasus mountains. He goes into detail about how nothing will grow and hunting is the mainstay but if you do not know how to survive the winters you are a dead man. He also says that the weather is horrible and people die in storms there which is probably the source of the storm god mythology.

          More likely than not, “Caucasians,” probably followed migrating Mega Fauna-era animals into the region and went south after they hunted them into extinction, which is considered a fact now(the extinction of Mega Fauna animals by hunters) so given the nomadic nature of the Arabs city states with walls were probably necessary to protect their workers.

          Clay thinks Amorities and all Semitic peoples came from Saudi Arabia but this is countered by their own descendants the Chaldeans who told the Greeks their history began in Southern Russia(Scythia).

          Amorites were the first to people, “The West,” Amurru, Muru, Meru, all mean, literally, “West,” and Amorites established cities from Libya to Egypt to the Levant, Syria, Turkey and Armenia.

          Amorties referred to themselves as, “Buri-Buri,” most likely the root of, “Berber,” and it meant the, “Whirlwind,” people because they did something unusual; they broke camp constantly abandoning cities and forming new ones so that potential enemies could never grasp the extent of their kingdom or riches. Some of the tribal kings were said to have been wealthier than entire nations so catching them meant a great prize.

          Essentially the ultimate free-traders or outlaws.

        • Dave Mowers

          I have the exact quote in Latin translated into English from the Trogus and it says that Egyptians were Scythians.

          The debate you speak of was over who first built cities or civilization as the Egyptians considered later Scythians barbarian nomads. In fact, one Egyptian king got so angry at raids by them he invaded Russia to let them know he would respond to their actions and the locals(towns people) were said to have supported the Egyptians as they believed they were the same people, same race.

          This wasn’t even a debate by Egyptians but by Greeks and in that time the issue was the origin of the Greeks who had one side believing they were the oldest Mediterranean peoples while the historians said no AND the Egyptians said no while the historical camp cited Mesopotamia.

        • “I have the exact quote in Latin translated into English from the Trogus and it says that Egyptians were Scythians.

          The debate you speak of was over who first built cities or civilization as the Egyptians considered later Scythians barbarian nomads. In fact, one Egyptian king got so angry at raids by them he invaded Russia to let them know he would respond to their actions and the locals(towns people) were said to have supported the Egyptians as they believed they were the same people, same race.”

          That seems likely that they share a common ancestry to an extent. http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/recent-origin-of-north-african.html

          However I read Justin’s Trogus on Scythians and I’ve read the quotes you had in the past saying that they settled in Egypt but that’s not what it said. What I gave you was a English translation from that same site you said was one of your sources from a post a few weeks earlier. All it was only a debate between Egyptians and Scythians between who were older, as you said.

          I found nothing of a sources that claims so. You can prove me wrong with a link but the translation said nothing of the sort.

          “This wasn’t even a debate by Egyptians but by Greeks and in that time the issue was the origin of the Greeks who had one side believing they were the oldest Mediterranean peoples while the historians said no AND the Egyptians said no while the historical camp cited Mesopotamia.”

          Which I buy because there are links between Mesopotamia and Egypt but based on what I read Sumerians only share a common ancestry with Scythians.

        • This is likely the source of those bows you were talking about.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_ancient_Egypt

          Old Kingdom soldiers were equipped with many types of weapons, including shields, spears, cudgels, maces, daggers, and bows and arrows. The most common Egyptian weapon was the bow and arrow. During the Old Kingdom, a single-arched bow was often used. This type of bow was difficult to draw, and there was less draw length. After the composite bow was introduced by the Hyksos, Egyptian soldiers used this weapon as well.[7]”

          Basically, I can believe a common ancestry between Amorites, Scythians, and Egyptians.

          The issue here is that I don’t think Egyptians themselves were descended from Sumerians but I do believe in that they diffused ideas from Sumeria as well as having a common ancestor.

          Another issue is arguing through mixed anthropology for Sumerians and Scythians as if they were the same people.

          While I’m convinced of similarities, it’s either one or the other because they were seen as different ethnicities. Based on the evidence of Hyskos introducing the bows you talked about, most like Canaanite people who came in the form on Nomads but they haven’t appeared until during Dynastic Egypt rather than during it.

        • Dave Mowers

          phil,

          I’ll only say that the Greeks and Romans both spent a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of the origin of the human race and everyone agreed that origin began in Russia.

          Go to your Bible or the works of Chaldea to see that the first to wear a crown was Nimrod. The first emperor in Mesopotamia was Nimrod. The first to subdue the men of the axe(Tribe of Dan/Greeks) was Nimrod. The first to establish city states around the Mediterranean was Nimrod and his empire was said to have stretched from Persia/Afghanistan to Libya in North Africa.

          As, Uranus(first man of the world) he is the father of the Greeks who mythologized him as a half-man, half-serpent named Cecrops because his symbol was the Basilisk which is adopted from the Tribe of Dan. In Roman lore as Saturn he is said to have colonized as far as Spain, in Phoenician he made it to England and in Viking/Anglo-Saxon myth he is identified as Mercury and “Zernebogus,” which means, “Seed of Cush.” He is called the, “Black Father,” because as Saturn he is identified with the cosmic black god of outer space, a great serpent, the Dragon and his name in Mesopotamia,” Sargon,” means, “Twisting Serpent.”

          The Germans knew him as, “Mannus,” which also means, “First man,” the German form of Uranus.

          There was once single empire and for thousands of years since men have been trying to reestablish it.

        • “I’ll only say that the Greeks and Romans both spent a lot of time trying to get to the bottom of the origin of the human race and everyone agreed that origin began in Russia.”

          …….? Based on what criteria, stories? I’ve heard of fairly plausible theories of outside Africa but that was done with genetic patterns, something like that outside of folklore I doubt those of the classical era had.

          “Go to your Bible or the works of Chaldea to see that the first to wear a crown was Nimrod. The first emperor in Mesopotamia was Nimrod. The first to subdue the men of the axe(Tribe of Dan/Greeks) was Nimrod. The first to establish city states around the Mediterranean was Nimrod and his empire was said to have stretched from Persia/Afghanistan to Libya in North Africa.”

          Okay, are you talking about Civilization or are you talking about actually human modernity? Those are two different things.

          “As, Uranus(first man of the world) he is the father of the Greeks who mythologized him as a half-man, half-serpent named Cecrops because his symbol was the Basilisk which is adopted from the Tribe of Dan. In Roman lore as Saturn he is said to have colonized as far as Spain, in Phoenician he made it to England and in Viking/Anglo-Saxon myth he is identified as Mercury and “Zernebogus,” which means, “Seed of Cush.” He is called the, “Black Father,” because as Saturn he is identified with the cosmic black god of outer space, a great serpent, the Dragon and his name in Mesopotamia,” Sargon,” means, “Twisting Serpent.”

          Okay, where does talks about the WHOLE human race in all of this? This is pretty Mediterranean exclusive.

          “The Germans knew him as, “Mannus,” which also means, “First man,” the German form of Uranus.”

          “There was once single empire and for thousands of years since men have been trying to reestablish it.”

          Okay, this issue with this information. All this information, if true, only speaks of cultural diffusion of ideas between Western Eurasian groups on the origin of man.

          If one is to go on folklore exclusively, then you’re going to have to expand your evidence outside that small region.

          In Africa, for example, before the influence of missionaries their was a group of people called the Yoruba that claimed that all mankind descended from their area.

          I of course don’t believe in it or try to use it to make the claim that this supports Out of Africa, but at the same time I that prove my point on what kind of conundrums ones have when you go that course.

          If not out of Africa I do believe in a Eurasian origins theory, I’ve actually heard of a possible theory in Asia but not of the Russian region.

          Even then, that human wouldn’t have differentiated into “Caucasian” “Mongoloid” or “Negroid” at any point yet.

        • Dave Mowers

          phil,

          Do you call the assassination of Kennedy folklore or written history?

          Did WWII happen?

          Would discount a veteran’s testimony because it happened so long ago that it cannot be reasonably believed?

          Were people in the seventeenth century of lower I.Q.?

          Everyone who came before you was stupid, flawed or a liar?

          If so, why are all sciences based on those people’s works?

        • “Do you call the assassination of Kennedy folklore or written history?

          Did WWII happen?

          Would discount a veteran’s testimony because it happened so long ago that it cannot be reasonably believed?

          Were people in the seventeenth century of lower I.Q.?

          Everyone who came before you was stupid, flawed or a liar?

          If so, why are all sciences based on those people’s works?”

          My point is that these sources only speaks of human history, not human’s origins based on archaeology.

          All they speak of is a man created with the foundations of ancient settlements, not the sources of the “first man”. My point of Folklore is because man existed before writing, so any accounts would thus have to be derived from oral tradition.

          Even then, how reliable is that compared to genetics.

        • credited, not created.

        • Dave Mowers

          When all 18th century scholars admitted, “Science is assumption and opinion.”

          …and all modern scholars work from their ideas.

          While ancient scholars, who were closer to the reality than anyone, said something else didn’t they?

          Clearly you should believe in…

        • “When all 18th century scholars admitted, “Science is assumption and opinion.”

          …and all modern scholars work from their ideas.”

          “All” Admitted that, where did you get that info from? Can you attribute a source for that? Also, we work from there past ideas and methods to build NEW ONES.

          “While ancient scholars, who were closer to the reality than anyone, said something else didn’t they?”

          In what way “closer to reality”? Give me one of their works then that actually tried to tackle actual human origins.

          “Clearly you should believe in…””

          Clearly you should get a better understanding.

          Ancient sources developed the grounds of science we build on today. You can go into “opinion and assumption” but keep in mind science is MORE than that and created MODERN medicine, appliances, infrastructure, etc.

          Also, funny enough, they also gave us better forensic technology, the ability to use physical evidence to determine the traits of an unrecorded event.

          All you described were recorded events limited to RECENT HUMAN HISTORY post human origins.

          If you have such high faith in the ancients then give me a source from them or influenced by their methods and show me how far they have gone with fossils, artifacts, and human genetics.

    • Jason Y

      Generally speaking, the ropes to get to be a pilot or a doctor weed out those who can’t do it. That’s why I can honestly say the black math graduate students at my university are not frauds.

      • Jason Y

        Take math for instance. There is no fucking way anyone can pass the tests at my state university unless they really know it. Many people fail them are probably a majority doing so are even white people, maybe not Northeast Asian though.

        It’s not uncommon in some situation to see several F grades come out of the classes on tests and as the final grade.

    • Jason Y

      Sorry put it under wrong comment:

      Generally speaking, the ropes to get to be a pilot or a doctor weed out those who can’t do it. That’s why I can honestly say the black math graduate students at my university are not frauds.

      Reply

  5. Another William Playfair

    Seems like the vast majority of “race realists” just memorize mantras/talking points…they really form a movement

    • Jason Y

      They did in World War II and would have exterminated the slavic race if given the power. Who know what they would have done to the African American race if given the power. All using the same logic: The low IQ cannot manage themselves so they end up slaves to Jewish masters.

      • Jason Y

        Some of the stuff Hitler claimed were flat out ludicrous and definitely of a mythological origin. For instance, saying Czarist Russia was built by Germans, not Russians.

    • Gay State Girl

      They can’t nuance themselves so as to become more palatable and recruit others into their movement. And the small number elite HBDers (Jared Taylor, Charles Murray) know they can’t properly distance themselves from the skinhead masses as their movement would completely crumble.

      • Jason Y

        Jared Taylor and Charles Murray would get brutally raped by these skinheads if they shared a cell. 😆

        Just call it grandpa pussy.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          I don’t get why everybody, and pardon my French, sucks Taylor’s Cock.
          He’s certainly quite bright, a Harvard man with a degree in philosophy, but he still is a hardcore WN who sees “Anti-White” demons, in his sleep.
          I saw him debate some beastie boy-Jew type rappers, and they backed him into a corner with Egypt. Of course they were not pure Negroes, but Taylor insisted they were somehow Euro descended and “closely related to the Greeks”, that was only the case later on in Egypt, post-Alexander the Great. He looked like a nutjob.

          Bottom line, who annointed him “the smartest HBDer”?
          I think Robert Lindsay is smarter than Jared Taylor. IQ doesn’t correlate with fame (Jared Taylor is quite, quite famous).

          According to web-analytics, people who visit AmRen.com are less educated than Stormfront users. In many ways it’s a “I’m sooper smrt cuz I read AmRen” type con-job. Not that there aren’t smart readers and the content isn’t good, it’s when you get to the comments section, that things go down hill.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          doesn’t correlate strongly, so to speak.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          well, the correlation is actually certainly well above 0.

        • Jason Y

          Philosophy professors need a muzzle like Hannibal Lecture (pun is intended) I’m not surprised some have went insane and have grown Hitler mustaches.

        • Jason Y

          Possibly they’ve went insane cause they can’ t handle lazy students and ones who make excuses anymore, lol

          Do your homework or I will send you to the gas chamber you college homosexual !!!!

        • Another William Playfair Web

          You’ll want to look at this, Jason;
          https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/05/31/the-iq-of-precious/comment-page-1/#comment-26847
          lololololol
          he’s nuts!

      • Tony Swagger

        Jared Taylor’s Amren is a honey pot of kike faggots having an orgy. Jared, despite being intelligent, is highly dishonest and cannot be considered any part of mainstream white nationalism. It takes a lot of chutzpah in allowing hebes run wild into your forum and call it a pro white movement. Any comments critical of the self chosen ones are immediately ovened. Obsession with negro pathology does not make you a a savior of white interests. There are sites like chimpmania, SBPDL doing that all the time. And the conference those folks are organizing are just a bunch of gullible goyim and self chose spawn of satans singing and coddling together. They even ban mild white nationalists like Parrott and Heimbach. People like David Duke are perma-banned from their conferences just for pointing out the truth about jews. Jared doesnt seem to care for any genuine nationalistic interests. The stunts he pull everynow and then are typical hoodwinks to get his fat paycheck from his jewish masters. Alex Linder mentioned about Jared long back

        https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=144074&page=4

        • Another William Playfair Web

          I believe AmRen has a Jewish writer, possibly just a token.
          At the conferences, I doubt you see many Jews.

  6. Another William Playfair

    cant

  7. Another William Playfair Web

    Race-Mixing is the only answer. I’ve posted the math on IQs with this, before.

  8. Another William Playfair Web

    “Tony Swagger” is just Ben Shapiro under a fake name, trying to make us all feel sorry for the Jews.

  9. Dave Mowers

    Here we go with more genetic proof Caucasians are a blend of Hominid NOT Homo Sapiens from Africa;

    How Neanderthals Gave Us Secret Powers
    Interbreeding with our fellow hominins appears to have helped humans survive harsh climates.
    “The Atlantic, Emily Singer”

    “…Neanderthals and Denisovans, two groups of archaic humans that shared an ancestor with us roughly 600,000 years earlier.”

    “Certain Neanderthal and Denisovan genes seem to have swept through the modern human population—one variant, for example, is present in 70 percent of Europeans…”

    And OH LOOKY SPECIFIC GENES INCLUDE SKIN AND HAIR COLOR OMFG WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE???

    “…both maps found that the most common adaptive Neanderthal-derived genes are those linked to skin and hair growth. One of the most striking examples is a gene called BNC2, which is linked to skin pigmentation and freckling in Europeans. Nearly 70 percent of Europeans carry the Neanderthal version.”

    So explain how a Homo Sapien-type crossbred European whom had been in Europe for 600,000 years suddenly came out of Africa?

    • “Here we go with more genetic proof Caucasians are a blend of Hominid NOT Homo Sapiens from Africa;”

      Lets see,

      “How Neanderthals Gave Us Secret Powers
      Interbreeding with our fellow hominins appears to have helped humans survive harsh climates.
      “The Atlantic, Emily Singer””|

      Okay.

      “…Neanderthals and Denisovans, two groups of archaic humans that shared an ancestor with us roughly 600,000 years earlier.”

      That talks about their existence

      “Certain Neanderthal and Denisovan genes seem to have swept through the modern human population—one variant, for example, is present in 70 percent of Europeans…”

      Again a trait that can be acquired from mixing, negates nothing I’ve said.

      “And OH LOOKY SPECIFIC GENES INCLUDE SKIN AND HAIR COLOR OMFG WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE???”

      Actually during our recent conversation talking about it you only talked about red hair, which was a trait independent from neanderthal influence.

      ““…both maps found that the most common adaptive Neanderthal-derived genes are those linked to skin and hair growth. One of the most striking examples is a gene called BNC2, which is linked to skin pigmentation and freckling in Europeans. Nearly 70 percent of Europeans carry the Neanderthal version.”

      So explain how a Homo Sapien-type crossbred European whom had been in Europe for 600,000 years suddenly came out of Africa?”

      A.) The theory has been updated in recent times to believe that archaics mixed with humans, wherever H. Sapiens originated.

      B.) I’m not even 100% it even came from Africa, others pointing out conundrums in the theory with modern data.

      C.) This article said nothing about european origins but only talks about how they’ve gain traits when they mixed with neaderthals.

      D.) Those hominids were Different from H. Sapiens, they were not classified as Caucasians but only as a population that adapted to the environment of europe.

      E.) You’re original assertion was that humanity spawned from Caucasians, thus H. Sapiens comes from Caucasians, then you’re going to have to prove not only with Eurasians but with all human being having continuity with Neanderthals DESPITE them being classified as a different species than H. Sapiens, a species that modern Caucasians share more affinity with than Neanderthals.

      F.) So modern science is biased unless it agrees with you’re opinion? You could say that it’s not “your” opinion but those of the ancients, but when i asked you to prove genetics BY THEIR methods you couldn’t so you went back to modern genetics….and fail there.

      • Dave Mowers

        No I never said humanity was spawned from Caucasians only asserted that African Homo Sapien and Caucasian are a breed apart and not the same species.

        Anything can be proved when all science is assumptive in value since no one has ever seen evolution first hand and none of us existed when these events unfolded. Science implies facts, facts are absolute, DNA will bear out the fruit of my assertions because the written history agrees with it.

        Like Phorbas you have eaten the oak and choked on your meal.

        • “No I never said humanity was spawned from Caucasians only asserted that African Homo Sapien and Caucasian are a breed apart and not the same species.” My mistake

          “Anything can be proved when all science is assumptive in value since no one has ever seen evolution first hand and none of us existed when these events unfolded.”
          Well, we can manipulate the process and modern DNA studies can give us an idea of how such a process can work.

          “Science implies facts, facts are absolute, DNA will bear out the fruit of my assertions because the written history agrees with it.

          Like Phorbas you have eaten the oak and choked on your meal.”

          Pfffttt…..you can’t even get you’re narrative and “science” to even connect so I think I’d digested normally.

          “How do you source DNA from an ancient culture that practiced cremation?

          Explain how you find bones when Celtic peoples burned their dead?”

          https://nicoleevelina.com/2014/01/20/celtic-burial-and-funeral-rites/

          Not ALL celts cremated.

          “Yeah, it was called the Older Dryas and the Maunder Minimum. Two extreme Ice Ages …as well as others even older going back 100,000 years or more.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Older_Dryas

          Remember again evidence of wooden forts buried in France and Germany have been found and carbon dated to 20,000 B.C.+ so Caucasians were alive during these Ice Ages and based on the genetic research were living, cohabiting, with Neanderthals 600,000 years ago at best guess.”

          That 600,000 date was from the SPLIT with Denisovans and Neanderthals.
          Also, 20,000 years in Europe is within the bounds of something as outdated as OOA1.

          BTW, neither of those periods you gave to Wikipedia were not old enough to go “100,000 to 70,0000.”

          Older Dryas

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Older_Dryas

          “The Older Dryas was a stadial (cold) period between the Bølling and Allerød interstadials (warmer phases) approximately 14,000 years ago (BP), towards the end of the Pleistocene epoch. Its age is not well defined, with estimates varying by 400 years, but its duration is agreed to have been around two centuries. The gradual warming since the last glacial maximum 27-24,000 years BP has been interrupted by two cold spells, the Older Dryas having been followed by the Younger Dryas (c. 12,900-11,650 BP). In northern Scotland the glaciers were thicker and deeper during the Older than the succeeding Younger Dryas, and there is no evidence of human occupation of Britain.[1] In north-west Europe an earlier Oldest Dryas is also recognised.[2] They are named after an indicator genus, the arctic and alpine plant Dryas, the remains of which are found in higher concentrations in deposits from colder periods.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum
          “The Maunder Minimum, also known as the “prolonged sunspot minimum”, is the name used for the period starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715 when sunspots became exceedingly rare, as noted by solar observers of the time.”

          “Contrary to Brauer’s recent pronouncement that there is a large and generally recognized morphological gap between the Neanderthals and the early moderns, the actual evidence provided by the extensive fossil record of late Pleistocene Europe shows considerable continuity between Neanderthals and subsequent Europeans.”

          Also from that section
          “More recent claims regarding continuity in skeletal morphology in Europe focus on fossils with both Neanderthal and modern anatomical traits, to provide evidence of interbreeding rather than replacement.[55][56][57] Examples include the Lapedo child found in Portugal[58] and the Oase 1 mandible from Peștera cu Oase, Romania,[59] though the Lapedo child is disputed by some.[60]”

          They still agree that Europeans intermixed with Neanderthals from H. Sapiens, not that they directly evolved from them.

          Also, I SAID that their would have to be continuity between ALL modern human populations and NOT just Europeans who mixed with them however you clarified that I was mistaken on what you meant.

    • Where in that article did it say that denisovans/Neanderthals are the DIRECT ANCESTORS of modern Europeans RATHER than being mixed with them?

      Also, evidence of admixing with Hominids isn’t unique to Europeans.

      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/afrocentrist-idiot-of-the-day/#comment-260784

    • Jm8

      “B.) I’m not even 100% it even came from Africa, others pointing out conundrums in the theory with modern data.”

      I don’t think there’s anything especially plausible about an “out of Eurasia” hypothesis. May I ask what you are referring to? I’m pretty sure the dna evidence does not support this.

      • Well, aside from the ones that criticized OOA 1. (now irrelevant now that archaic introgression is accepted) There’s this.

        http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2016/02/are-living-africans-nested-within.html

        http://www.unz.com/comments/gnxp/why-i-still-lean-toward-a-sub-saharan-african-origin-for-modern-humanity/

        Here are two viewpoints of it, others in the comments such a Poise n Pen particular goes against OOA.

        • Jm8

          I would agree with Razib’s comment there. OOA is more parsimonious. For the deep diversity in Africa to be “happenstance” is unlikely, and Ooa does indeed better fit the archaeological evidence.

          As a commenter elsewhere said(in favor of loa):
          “the fact that all of the most basal branches of mtDNA and Y-chromosomes are exclusive to Sub-Saharan Africa would demand some pretty extreme extinction events in Eurasia between 100,000 and 70,000 years ago (all the way down to a single small population with high drift).
          You would also need to explain why the most basal African populations seem to have had much larger effective population sizes for much longer. If they resulted from rare groups migrating south of 0the Sahara, you would expect very limited genomic diversity. This does not appear to be the case at all.”

          I’m not sure I understand Poise n Pen’s argument, but I will loo at it again and try to get back to you on it.

        • Jm8

          correction: should be: “As a commenter elsewhere said(in favor of loa):”

        • Jm8

          Correction(again): Should be: “As a commenter elsewhere said(in favor of ooa):”

        • To be honest, as far as stuff like this goes, I haven’t studied very much on human population science and history.

          I think I could grasp the details but I overall just understand the basics in regards of how population differentiate. When it comes to verifying OOA or another route I’m unsure.

          What I CAN say however that Dave’s postulation on human origins through rambling on about Denisovans (whose presence in Europeans is rather small) as the logic of Caucasian’s antiquity, lack of understanding on how basic human evolution works, incoherent and suggestive arguments using historical excerpts doesn’t require that much expertise to refute.

        • Jm8

          “What I CAN say however that Dave’s postulation…”

          Very true. His responses are often, endlessly willfully oblivious and incoherent. It seems pointless to respond to them.

        • Jm8

          .edit .. “It almost seems pointless to respond to them.”

        • Jm8

          Getting back to you:

          Pois n Pen’s argument does not appear to make sense (really I find it incoherent, could be me, but I don’t think so). Eurasians are bottlenecked relative to Africans (Africans overall), reflecting a relative founder effect and their origin from a very early, more basal – than many today – group of Africans.

          In Eurasia they were not “kept in bottlenecked populations” upon leaving Africa (whatever that means), but would have gradually diverged form a more diverse (than its offshoots) “proto-Eurasian” root population. Some of the proposed initial divergence dates from DNA evidence for Eurasian subgroups are fairly early, i.e. pre-30 K BC.: Eastern from Western Eurasian. Some propose earlier for certain ancestral “Oceanic” groups. But I really don’t know what much of the comment is saying. He seems not to understand human population history.

        • Jm8

          “…to understand human population history, or population genetics.”

        • Jm8

          edit: “…and their origin from a very early, more basal (than many today) group of Africans (but which was of course itself only a subset of contemporary/at the time Africans/African diversity).”

      • Dave Mowers

        How do you source DNA from an ancient culture that practiced cremation?

        Explain how you find bones when Celtic peoples burned their dead?

  10. Dave Mowers

    “the fact that all of the most basal branches of mtDNA and Y-chromosomes are exclusive to Sub-Saharan Africa would demand some pretty extreme extinction events in Eurasia between 100,000 and 70,000 years ago (all the way down to a single small population with high drift).”

    Yeah, it was called the Older Dryas and the Maunder Minimum. Two extreme Ice Ages …as well as others even older going back 100,000 years or more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Older_Dryas

    Remember again evidence of wooden forts buried in France and Germany have been found and carbon dated to 20,000 B.C.+ so Caucasians were alive during these Ice Ages and based on the genetic research were living, cohabiting, with Neanderthals 600,000 years ago at best guess.

  11. Dave Mowers

    “Contrary to Brauer’s recent pronouncement that there is a large and generally recognized morphological gap between the Neanderthals and the early moderns, the actual evidence provided by the extensive fossil record of late Pleistocene Europe shows considerable continuity between Neanderthals and subsequent Europeans.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans

    • “Anthropology can now confidently report that Neandertals, Denisovans, and others labelled archaic are in fact an interbreeding part of the modern human lineage. We are the same species. There has been extensive admixture across modern humans for tens of thousands of years, and at least some admixture across several archaic groups. Neandertals, Denisovans, and other archaics may be the best example of a true human race or sub-species. They are also fully part of the human lineage, with almost all contemporary humans showing genetic admixture with archaics in our genetic signatures.”

      BTW, this is basically the theory that you’re quote tried to support. In other words, the theory contends that we were ALWAYS the same species and we have started out a archaics with regional specific characteristics and we are connected through migrations of mixing into modern humans.

      http://www.livinganthropologically.com/anthropology/denisovans-neandertals-human-races/

      So you’re postulation is still wrong.

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