The Alternative Left and Racial Conflict in the US

The possible reality of biological race and the implications it has for Black-White conflict in the US mandates a response from the Alternative Left.

The Alt Left should not succumb to hating Blacks for what may well be things they have little control over. If you see a man on crutches, it is pretty cruel to call him a failure at walking and shove him in the gutter, but that’s what White racism does to Black people, and it’s not right.

Given the reality of race, an Alt Left core belief, the tasks of the Alt Left would be to:

  1. Try to treat Blacks kindly for outcomes that they may well have little control over.
  2. Continue to battle cruel White racism (real racism, not fake racism) against innocent Blacks in solidarity with Blacks on the Left principles of standing up for oppressed peoples against their oppressors and that racism is an evil that is contrary to progressive values.
  3. Regarding White racism against Blacks, distinguish between real racism and the fake racism of too much of the modern antiracist community, vowing to fight the former while disregarding or ignoring the latter.
  4. Insist on personal responsibility nevertheless for obvious life failures and criminality on the principle of free will and the fact that humans are not programmed automatons, no matter how our genes operate.
  5. Investigate all of the ways that the B-W gaps can be reasonably and cost-effectively addressed.
  6. Attempt for formulate some sort of a liberal or Left politics that acknowledges the reality of biological race and its implications.

The last task will be the most difficult of all, but it requires us to think in some very creative ways, which is something that progressive people are good at.

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36 responses to “The Alternative Left and Racial Conflict in the US

  1. Another William Playfair Web

    The Alt-Left, appears to look for real-life solutions. The Alt-Right, in general can not get over it’s members own personal biases, and hence much of their rhetoric is, non-factual and hence leads to implausible suggestions for solutions when they make such.

    I agree nearly unequivocally on all points, with the exception of #5. I think that if you acknowledge that there is an inherent gap, it would be impossible to push though funding, at least considering the level that it is given right now, people would feel that it was beating a dead horse and that it is time to stop such.
    It means doing what it takes at the same cost.
    It means if it works, and doesn’t hurt anyone too greatly, do it.
    http://www.amren.com/news/2009/11/importing_teach/

    boo f*ing hoo, Asians are better Math teachers.

    point #7:
    When Alt-Lefters finally control the Great White fleet, Court martial the AmRen staff and regular commenters. Not all are bsing political opportunists, but some are, so give them a trial

  2. Another William Playfair Web

    I say the Alt-Right should pick on someone with their own resources so to speak; the Alt-Left.
    If they’re so fucking beautiful and White and gifted, they need to prove it.

    They don’t want the people to know that the emperor metaphorically “has no clothes”
    i.e. this is the average Alt-Righter;

    https://i.redditmedia.com/pJaQCkYdR-P-PMGmBESB16OG1i4WjSqwDjq7YSRwpCs.jpg?w=365&s=868b73d0522864267a46024f35d3957c

    • Another William Playfair Web

      And, I’m a nice leftie.
      both of them could be very nice people.
      The difference between me and the Alt-Right.

  3. Another William Playfair Web

    One last thing before I retire for the night;
    relating to race, intellectualism, and leftism,

    What is your and/or the collective Alt-Left’s position on Dilma Rousseff and what is going on in Brazil?

  4. Tulio

    At the end of the day, “alt left” is basically just red-pill socialism.

  5. Ultra Cool

    According to all I’ve read about U.S. race relations on the web, it seems that different races tend to self-segregate to a considerable extent, each race has a distinct culture and values and there is considerable racial tension.

    Is that all true and if it is, would not more integration solve the problem? Though it seems most races don’t want to integrate and tend to distrust each other.

    • If segregation how people react, how would integration makes things better?

      It doesn’t automatically erase tensions, what should be initiated in the face of racial tension would be mediators, those of each group that can see eye to eye.

    • Tulio

      I think over a long enough period of time, two races inhabiting the same space will eventually interbreed. Humans have the ability to find at least some people of any given race to be attractive. And whatever social stigma comes from marrying out of one’s tribe will diminish in subsequent generations.

      • Well, one can reasonably postulate that they will interbreed, but do you mean that in the sense that through this method tensions would cease or just in general they will breed.

        If the former then there’s hardly a real-life example that supports the hypothesis. For example lets say berbers and Sahelian Blacks, they had occurrences of mixing, likely resulted from economic reason or perhaps warfare, but things clearly haven’t changed.

        Perhaps at family level in isolated incidents but hardly at a macro level.

        • If economic/warfare isn’t the type of motivation you mean and you meant by genuine attraction of some sort then that would occur at best at a micro level.

          While it does occur more successfully at a tribal level, when it comes to two races it would require the domination of one level to avoid internal conflict.

          Basically what you are describing is the process of outbreeding, while often works well between ethnic group said groups would likely have some form of relation such as being in similar sections of a macro race as opposed to being of different micro ones.

          Granted, you have mixed populations of east Africa but that would be the case where a certain culture’s domination of some sort absorbs foreign elements into the population, and even in that case ethnic clashes aren’t uncommon in that region.

        • Tulio

          Many people we see today are the product of intermixing between races in the distance past. As Robert has pointed out, Japanese are not a pure race, they are a mix of Korean and Ainu. Whites are mix between homo sapiens and Neanderthal. Mestizos a mix between Iberians and Native Americans(even though they think “la raza” is some sort of brown race in its own right). Central Asia has a large population that fits somewhere between Caucasoid and Mongoloid, as you might expect when there is a transition zone between populations. Many blacks in the new world mixed with Native Americans, you can find them commonly in Latin America. Chinese men that worked on railroads in the American west married black women as marrying white women was forbidden. You have Chinese men also marrying black women in Africa.

        • “Many people we see today are the product of intermixing between races in the distance past.” Lets observe, shall we?

          “As Robert has pointed out, Japanese are not a pure race, they are a mix of Korean and Ainu.” I believe he also did a post on how colorism also exist, like correlating with Ainu ancestry. Also, these people are also staunch against Koreans as well.

          “Whites are mix between homo sapiens and Neanderthal.” As well as selecting against bad genes from both sides, unlike Brazil.

          “Mestizos a mix between Iberians and Native Americans(even though they think “la raza” is some sort of brown race in its own right).” Again, no consequences?

          “Central Asia has a large population that fits somewhere between Caucasoid and Mongoloid, as you might expect when there is a transition zone between populations.” http://www.eurasianet.org/node/72006

          “Many blacks in the new world mixed with Native Americans, you can find them commonly in Latin America.” I refer again to Brazil.

          “Chinese men that worked on railroads in the American west married black women as marrying white women was forbidden.” So, basically economic/legal pressure?
          “You have Chinese men also marrying black women in Africa.”

          But what are the actual rates? Even then, none of your examples explained how race mixing, at least on a large scale, would put differences on reserves. What they do show is that it does occur.

        • Overall my main point is that in terms of outbreeding, positive results occur best best certain small scale ethnic groups within a macro race, preferably within the same type of micro race but whatever the cirmcumstances be.

          Any further argument you show would basically be unrepresentative reaction towards mixing between the races (e.i, just significant though small occurrences) or short term cases.

          Hell, Hutus and Tutsi have actually mixed and interacted with each other to the point where their is overlap between economic occupations, yet looked what happened in Rwanada.

          http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/08/tutsi-differ-genetically-from-the-hutu/#.Vz4VmxMrLnA

          Though more mixed, Mestizos are not homogeneous and will likely created clusters that are more European than Amerindian and vice versa (think how North Mexico is relatively more white in ancestry). This, on average, would likely be reflect in characteristics in terms of class, behavior, etc. as if the races were separated.

        • Tulio

          No one is saying a world where everyone is mixed will be a world without conflict. I’m just saying that groups that share the same space will eventually start to interbreed. I think this has always happened, going back to ancient times.

          Even homogenous societies have infighting, for example Scottish highlanders vs lowlanders. Catholic Irish vs Protestant Irish. Islamist Syrians vs moderate Syrians, etc.

        • In that case then I was mistaken. You didn’t specify whether you meant the former or the latter, thus I thought by the way you were talking I assumed the former.

          I didn’t mean derail this thread.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        Well, it’s definitely an interesting subject.

        Looking at NCBI, and the genetic distances between the race, I could find that theoretically the more diverse Blacks (have had that much time longer, relating to the co-efficient), could have an IQ SD of 18.4, and likewise Asians had an IQ SD of 12.9
        1/0.816 times 15= 18.4
        15(0.86)= 12.9

        So, using Z-scores obtained from this, http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx
        and generally using pumpkinperson’s ethnic IQs/populations (#of them not used, the population percentages from Nat Geo are utilized with an assumed 7,000,000,000 people; https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/06/08/the-highest-iq-in-each-race/

        When factoring in the new SDs we see that the highest IQ of each subsets (follow the SD of their race), are, counting actual IQs not genetic, on U.S. White Norms

        for Mongoloids
        Northeast Asian: 180
        South East Asian: 163
        Amerindian: 160

        for Caucasians
        Middle Eastern/East Indian/Central Asian: 175
        European:189

        for Negros
        Sub-Saharan: 176
        South African/San (counting the mixed populations as pure, just to show that the SD differences do make a big difference): 156

        As you can see the smartest person in the World at this point is of European descent.
        Now, mixing all to the same degree would give the average value of the SD values (14.7) and an average IQ on these norms of 89.0
        so…
        that would give a max IQ of 181, if we all f*cked each other until we were the same color.
        There might be five brilliant minds between those two values, whom we are sacrificing, for World peace. It’s OKAY.
        We’d look like a country with an average IQ of 89, but with the specific value partially giving more geniuses we might be okay.

        I say mix the races.

        • The problem with that is mixed race population would have to select against negative genes that each founding race has.

          As well, there are risks in genetic diseases being passed over to a race that hasn’t adapted to a disease. For example, their could be a disease that Europeans have that they have selected good genes for to adapt to it yet when passed on to a black population that didn’t do such they would be at risk.

          As well you have issues in finding donor matches as well. Psychological issues also arises as well on average higher in mixed race populations.

          Now, all and all, racial amalgamation isn’t impossible to bypass but that route of evolution in our modern society would put things at risk UNLESS we come up with a way scientifically that can make hybridization stable through selection if we it should occur on a population level.

          At an individual level it doesn’t do that much harm, depending on the scenario, but for scientific reasons it should be cautioned.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          phil-
          High rates of Mixed race psychological problems are almost certainly environmental.

        • phil-
          “High rates of Mixed race psychological problems are almost certainly environmental.”

          However here it explains that it persists even with SES

          https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/16/ethnic-genetic-interests-and-group-selection-does-exist-a-reply-to-jayman-2/comment-page-1/#comment-357

          This was likely the case perhaps between cro-magnon and neanderthal, yet what happened was selection against disadvantageous genes.

          That not to say that’s the case with all mixed race individuals, but what it means on a population level their would be higher rates.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          So that would mainly apply to Northern peoples mating with Southern peoples?
          I didn’t read it yet, I’m just saying this based on your comment.
          so it’s based on proportions of said ancestry?
          I.E. if a Norwegian woman and a Cameroonian man marry, mental illness would be perpetuated?
          But if a Greek and a Korean married, both have similar amounts of Neanderthal ancestry (one is weak for Europe, one is Asian), then it would be okay?
          How does that explain how proportions of metnal illness among “hispanics”, particularly those of mixed Iberian and Amerind descent, both groups probably having the same proportion of Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon ancestry….

        • Jason Y

          The whole thing against mixed raced is baloney. Saying thier ugly in appearance or that they don’t really raise NAM IQ to satisfactory level.

        • Jason Y

          No shit some mixed raced people would have psychological problems, it’s just racist jerks are always picking on them. Give me a break… Please..

        • Jason Y

          Psychological issues mainly only arise in racist areas. Nowadays, at least in the US, it’s getting less and less the case. In fact, a mixed race couple can live in many areas, even in redneck Tennessee, where generally people accept them and leave them alone. Note also that cause of the one drop thing, it’s just assumed a mixed raced kid is black, rather than just saying he is some hybird.

          I see mixed raced kids at Wal Mart, McDonalds etc.. all the time. It’s not big deal. Nobody cares, unless of course you specifcally move into an area full of swamp running backwoods crackers etc..

        • Jason Y

          You have to move pretty specifically too. You can actually live in some medium sized cities, and even some small towns, assuming you don’t go down certain valleys, and you don’t run into a lot of hassle with being mixed raced. Basically it’s a neighborhood thing, kind of like what you’d see in NYC.

          It’s sad though in our day in age, that a person can’t just be free to live where they want without a problem. Some places though, it seems as though you need to show a government pass like in Aparthied South Africa. In fact, one mixed raced couple was harassed out of a mountain valley.

        • Jason Y

          Blood problems are not a big deal with mixed raced unless your talking about mixed raced overkill like has occured in Brazil. Of course, the examples there are freak examples. They’re obviously blown out of proportion to serve a racist agenda as promoted by a racist blog.

          Anyhow, technology might even raise to counter even those problems. Also, what is the rate of blood diseases cured by transfusions compared to other things people die from? Possibly more people are dying from other diseses anyway.

          OK so you want to ban mixed race pairings? Well, why not ban tobacco or sugary drinks? Why not force everyone, wether they like it or not, to run and go to the gym every other day?

        • Another William Playfair Web

          “No shit some mixed raced people would have psychological problems, it’s just racist jerks are always picking on them. Give me a break… Please..”

          I sort-of had trouble following CoonU’s piece.
          He’s saying mixed race kids are confused about their ethnic genetic interests and hence have psychological problems?
          WTF?
          seems far-fetched. It’s like some HBDers deniers, going for the most obscure/abstract explanations of things while ignoring the blindingly obvious.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Mixed race kids swing one way or the other.
          They are either complete failures or absolutely successful.

          George Zimmerman (born to a Virginia Supreme Court Justice) dropped out of community college, worked for Hertz and was of course sort of crazy.

          Obama, born to “starving artist” mother, didn’t have his dad around, yet became President.

          opposite ends of the spectrum.
          the SD of mixed race achievement, even from everyday observation, is quite high.

        • Tulio

          Jason,
          I have a young mixed-race niece that lives in rural Tennessee as it happens. She doesn’t seem to be having any problems. Though she looks closer to white than to black, so that could always have something to do with it.

        • Jason Y

          No as I was saying mixed raced people aren’t a big deal in Tennessee unless you move into a highly rural area full of racists. Even the small town near where I live isn’t racist enough to repel black and mixed race people.

          There has been a case of a mixed race couple with mixed kids being harassed out of a mountain valley by racists.

        • Tulio

          I’ve heard there are lots of mixed race couples in Chattanooga. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more mixed black-white couples in TN than in CA.

        • Jason- So you blame it on racists? Then how do you explain not only the SES prevalence? Also drop that Ugly/stupid bullshit Jason, you were the only one bringing it up. I’m NOT picking on Mixed race people, all I’m doing is scientifically pointing out possible issue that can arise in amalgamation occurs on a huge population level. If I was against them in general, why would I point out that I have no issue with individual cases.

          “Psychological issues mainly only arise in racist areas. Nowadays, at least in the US, it’s getting less and less the case.” But the studies were done IN THE U.S so you pretty much contradicted yourself. Also, how the fuck do all psychological problems occur in racist areas?

          Tulio- Of course not all mixed race people have problems. My point was that in mixed race demographic it is recorded to occur at a higher rate.

          William- I brought up Sapiens and Neanderthals to hypothesize that these side effect occurred with them but deleting negative genes solved it.
          “mixing the races” on the level of whole populations could it is done in a way that would be stable. Also, genetic interests are basically explained in my link. Basically human relationships are often, but not all, formed by relatedness with each other often within the same race than the other

          “In an ethnically homogeneous population, discrimination of this kind will not occur because the fitness payoff of benefiting one co-ethnic or the other is the same, but in a heterogeneous population, you suddenly have people in whom you have comparatively more or less genetic interest.”

          The best way to think of this is that mixing can have hybrid Vigor (Higher IQ for one race and perhaps better behavior) but also Hybrid consequences (pertaining to genetic interests and biology). I’m not trying to say that you’re Idea can’t work, but that their are holes.

          “OK so you want to ban mixed race pairings? Well, why not ban tobacco or sugary drinks? Why not force everyone, whether they like it or not, to run and go to the gym every other day?”

          I NEVER SAID THAT, Jason, you do know you’re only hurting yourself by putting words in my mouth. I can stop people from doing anything, all I’m doing is pointing things out that are cautionary.

          “Blood problems are not a big deal with mixed raced unless your talking about mixed raced overkill like has occured in Brazil. Of course, the examples there are freak examples. They’re obviously blown out of proportion to serve a racist agenda as promoted by a racist blog.”

          Prove it. William proved others wrong, now you.

          “Anyhow, technology might even raise to counter even those problems.” That is possible, yes.
          “Also, what is the rate of blood diseases cured by transfusions compared to other things people die from? Possibly more people are dying from other diseses anyway.”

          It’s not blood transfusion diseases, it’s disease occurring through amalgamation and difficulty in finding blood donors that match.

          Even their are higher rates of diseases death anyway, the point is that these case occur HIGHER in hybrid populations.

  6. Jason Y

    “No shit some mixed raced people would have psychological problems, it’s just racist jerks are always picking on them. Give me a break… Please..”

    I sort-of had trouble following CoonU’s piece.
    He’s saying mixed race kids are confused about their ethnic genetic interests and hence have psychological problems?
    WTF?
    seems far-fetched. It’s like some HBDers deniers, going for the most obscure/abstract explanations of things while ignoring the blindingly obvious.

    It depends on the person and the area. For instance, a weak kid who happens to be mixed race will get bullied because they’re weak, with the racist stuff usually coming AFTER the attacks on being weak.

    However, an area more accepting of mixed raced people will be easier even for a weak mixed raced kid.

    Where I live a mixed race person would probably get left a lone in a public school, even in the most rural ones, assuming you don’t have a weak persona. Same would be true in a highly urban one where the black kids might bring up being a half-breed etc..

    Ultimately the best defense as in all identity politics is to hang around other mixed raced kids to form a group.

  7. Jason Y

    Right, it’s all about treating people kind over things they have no control over. That’s why Northeast Asians are so mean, cause that’s what they don’t do.

  8. SNIPPETS FROM:

    http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-great-black-hope/

    The Great Black Hope

    By: Barry Latzer

    Posted: March 2, 2009

    The decline in crime between 1994 and 2000 may have been the greatest in American history. Not only was the drop pronounced, it was nationwide and embraced all serious crime categories. Between 1990 and 2000, the nationwide murder rate—one of the most accurate crime indicators—fell 41%. And the federal government’s crime victim survey revealed over the same decade a 38% drop in nonfatal violent crime.

    snip

    the decline in crime, especially in violent crime, was and is being driven by major reductions in offenses by African-American males. Black violent crime, which had been persistently high for over three decades (indeed, for a long time before that), began unexpectedly to nosedive in the mid-1990s. Since 2000 it has plateaued, but there are reasons to be optimistic about further declines.

    snip

    The unresolved question, of course, is why did black violent crime diminish at all? And why did it fall so much more than white crime? This is the real murder mystery. To solve it we must address black crime specifically.

    snip

    In Table B, which covers the seven year crime drop of the late ’90s, the year-by-year figures, read from top-to-bottom, tell the number of murders by each group and the percentage of total murders by that group as the decline in crime progressed.
    These figures reveal that:
    — White male offenders, all ages, showed modest increases in their portion of total homicides during the crime drop years; from 1994 to 2000 their share rose from 42.6% to 45.5%.
    — Black male offenders, all ages, showed modest decreases in their portion of total homicides during the crime drop years; from 1994 to 2000 their contribution dropped from 57.4% to 54.5%.
    — The proportion of total homicides committed by white male offenders, ages 14-24, remained basically stable during the crime drop years, declining 3%.
    — The proportion of total homicides committed by black male offenders, ages 14-24, declined significantly during the crime drop years; from 1994 to 2000 it fell from 38.1% to 31.9%, a relative decline of 17%.

    The crime fall years were marked by steadily decreasing proportions of murders by blacks. In other words, while the murder pie shrank during the late ’90s—the total murders by all races declined—the black portion of the pie eroded the most. The reduction in murders by black males, especially by younger males (14-24), was largely responsible for the nation’s overall homicide decline from 1994-2000.

    snip

    Consider these changes in black youth during the 1990s, the period of the big crime drop:
    — Regular church attendance by black 12th graders rose 22%.
    — Pregnancy rates for black teens fell by nearly one-third.
    — The number of black high school students who reported carrying weapons fell 52%.
    — By 2003, more than three times as many white as black 12th graders reported using hard drugs.
    — Between 1991 and 2000, the number of 12th graders reporting use of alcohol, cigarettes, or illicit drugs in the previous 30 days fell by 19% for blacks, 20% for whites.
    — From 1997 to 2003, the rate of placement of male juveniles in residences, overwhelmingly because of juvenile delinquency, fell 24% for blacks, 5% for whites.

    snip

    Just as black lawlessness from the late ’60s to the early ’90s threatened to unravel the social fabric of this country, the new black law-abidingness could, if we remain vigilant, put the United States on the road to sustainable crime control.

    END of snippets

    ………………………….

    So, what are we to conclude? Why is the decline in crime and behavioral dysfunctionality less pronounced in whites than blacks? Clearly, the preponderance of influence must be assigned to race.

    I say: given the reality of race, we must:

    1 Try to treat whites kindly for outcomes that they may well have little control over.

    2 Insist on personal responsibility nevertheless for obvious life failures and criminality on the principle of free will. Whites must be held responsible for their crimes.

    3 Investigate all of the ways that the B-W gaps can be reasonably and cost-effectively addressed. Perhaps there are environmental factors that could be improved for whites, resulting in a partial evening-out of the B-W disparity in the recent drop in crime, violence and dysfunctionality.

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