Crime Levels and Types in an Hispanic Neighborhood

William Playfair Web writes:

Robert- I’ve been arguing with EPGAH about Mexicans/Latin Americans/Mestizos and Crime (relating to impulse control, which theoretically they should have more of, as lower-testosterone Mongoloids), but perhaps I’ve just known select mestizos (I live on these east coast), because of the ones I know, I’d bet there average IQ is higher than that of Non-Hispanic Whites.

Honduras is a bloodbath, but it’s more the organized crime type, not the low-impulse control type, you live in a predominately Mexican-American neighborhood, right? What do you see more of?

Central America has street gangs that have more or less taken over whole areas and cities as I understand it. It is street gang crime.

My Hispanic town is fairly safe. I have been ripped off a few times, but mostly by letting admittedly dubious folks into my place. They stole from me when my back was turned. I should not have been hanging out with them anyway. These were gang types or gang wannabees.

The crime around here for the most part is comical in that it is mostly petty ripoff. It’s sort of humorous and leads to a lot of statements to the effect that Mexicans steal little stuff. Well, they do. Mexicans are petty thieves. I would actually respect them more if they stole big stuff. There are some break-ins, but I do not own a business, so I do not worry about it. My mechanic told me that when the town went Hispanic, the break-ins of businesses in the area exploded.

I had some stuff stolen out of my car, so now I lock the doors at all times. You have to lock your car doors in a Hispanic neighborhood. I also got all my hubcaps stolen. This is also legendary, as many people will simply chuckle and say, “Well, Mexicans steal hubcaps.” And they do. Mexicans steal your hubcaps. Once again, petty crime.

You also have to be on the lookout for lousy females, often good-looking, both Hispanic and Black, who act seductive towards you to get to buy them some booze or get some money from you and then take off. I had a woman steal from me on a date. She asked for money to go to the store to buy booze. I gave her the money and never saw her again.

Later I heard that she is going around doing this to lots of guys – petty ripoff. She is hot, and she dangles the sex, grabs the money and runs. It’s the old con, one women have been doing forever. Most women really look down on women who do that though. I know that Alpha thinks that is gutter behavior and as low as a woman gets. I almost think she hates them more than I do.

There is a Black woman around here who always asks to borrow money and never pays back. She also wants favors all the time, claims she will pay for them, and then never pays. I quit loaning her money doing favors for her too. I am a pushover, so this was a bit hard for me, but around here, you have scammers like that, and you just have to put your foot down with some people. Word gets around, and even the Black woman next door does not like this woman. The Blacks who do this stuff are all rather “ghetto.” Really, the Blacks around here are a much lesser presence than the Mexicans (4% vs. 67% of the population), but they commit an amount of crime way in excess to their numbers.

There is some street gang activity, but as long as you stay out of it and don’t antagonize the gangsters and wannabes, you will be fine. There was a homicide not 1/4 mile away from me in November, but it was some teenage male who shot and killed another teenage male in the park at 3 PM. It was gang-related, and that park is a bit sleazy anyway, and I avoid it.

I used to go walking late at night from 10 PM-3 AM, but nothing ever happened to me. People said I was crazy, but there was no one out that late.

The gangsters do “roll paisas.” The illegals keep all their money as cash, as they cannot open a bank account. They also drink a lot. So you have illegals staggering home in alleys at 3 AM. Well, the gangsters “roll them,” knock them over and then rifle their pockets to get money. They might get ~$350 if they are lucky. If you are not a drunk Mexican staggering around  in the middle of the night with pockets full of cash, there is nothing to worry about.

There is gang crime, and there are gang neighborhoods, but I have driven by them late and night and nothing happened. And there were dubious-looking people outside up and down the street. They all turned to look at me, and it was a bit scary, but nothing happened. Later someone told me, “They looked at you and saw you were just some White dude. They might say, ‘What’s that crazy White dude doing driving here late at night?’. But you are not in the gangs, so you are not involved in their beefs, so they don’t care about you. You are sort of a neutral 3rd party in a gang war, and they will just leave you alone.”

All in all, I am shocked at how little crime there is in my city. It is a poor city, and I live in a barrio with a bunch of poor people (though it does not look very run-down), and really there is shockingly little crime. A lot of these people look pretty dubious, but they don’t seem to commit a lot of crime for whatever reason.

Hispanic cities and towns are often relatively safe, but I would never live in a Black city. I have heard too many bad things and experienced some bad stuff too. Black neighborhoods are flat out dangerous. Hispanic neighborhoods are rather dubious, but they are not really dangerous. I have not had anything violent happen to me around here, and I have been here 8 years. Plus even a lot of poor to very poor Hispanics seriously hate criminals like you would not believe. Sure, there is an elevated crime rate, but it’s not as if society condones it.

I can actually live with Mexicans. It’s not ideal obviously, but it is certainly tolerable. It’s really no big deal, and a lot of the Mexicans are very good people. Some even have good jobs, dress nicely and are smarter than you would think. While I can live with Mexicans, and it’s no biggie, I cannot live with Blacks. That to me is just unlivable.

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198 responses to “Crime Levels and Types in an Hispanic Neighborhood

  1. I can live with Blacks and Hispancis, as long as they are older. Older Hispanics and Blacks act like most Whites of any age.

  2. How about Black Panther? Did you see the Captain Jewmerica: Civil Bore movie?

    • Despite being unaware of how he has anything to do with this, considering he is of African elite he would unlikely be a threat.

  3. Tulio

    So if someone offered you a free home paid for in Baldwin Hills you’d turn it down?

  4. Tulio

    I’d also say that at least in the town I live in now in the south, the black neighborhoods don’t sound that different than the Hispanic neighborhoods you are describing.

    • what region do you general live and what format, urban or rural?

      From what I’ve read on homicide rates, southern blacks do better than northern ones possibly because of rural living and religiosity.

      • Tulio

        I’m in the south, but not the “deep south”. Don’t get me wrong, some black cities in the south are pretty shitty, like Memphis and New Orleans. But there are other places where there is a sizeable black population that don’t seem too crazy. Maybe smaller towns of the size Robert lives in. I think Robert’s town may be livable maybe because it’s smaller. Robert would probably not have wanted to live in E. L.A. during the 90s when gang crime hit its peak. He probably wouldn’t want to live in San Salvador, Tegucigalpa, Mexico City or Juarez either. Well, Mexico City isn’t too crazy but that’s probably due to a heavy police presence. But I did have a friend who was robbed at gunpoint by guys on a motorcycle that rode up on the sidewalk and shook him down for his belongings.

  5. Jason Y

    Mongoloids are mean, even without higher testosterone. They have a mob mentality, and most of them are just as racist as Archie Bunker or even David Duke. But of course, since they’re non-white they get a free pass, right?

    • Jason Y

      Some decent East Asians exist but the nationalist types are incredibly mean, and exist within the population in every neighborhood.

      Of course, the same could be said with blacks, unless the black neighborhood has a very low percentage of ghetto blacks, then the place isn’t liveable.

      Oh, and also in white neighborhoods in Appalachia, you have a mean element that’s racist, punk etc.. and they make certain places unliveable, unless you want to conform to their redneck philosophy or be quiet.

      You might laugh at the notion, but these people harass people like crazy, as much as the KKK in the past. They drove a mixed couple (black man/white woman, mixed kids) out of my mountain valley.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        I see lots of East-Asian supremacists on these websites (like “Panda@War”), and stupid La Raza types in movies, but I honestly can’t imagine meeting one who is openly that-a-way in real life.
        But I also haven’t met any blatant Klansman either…

        • Jason Y

          Your more aware of Asian racism if you live in Asia. Asians in the USA tend to be nerdy college types mainly cause they’re afraid of the majority white population., or maybe black one too.

        • Jason Y

          You see in South Korea they even have the balls, despite small size, to take on US soldiers. They can do that because they have strength in numbers.

    • Jason Y

      A rule of thumb in the US is to avoid heavily black areas, heavily Asian or Mexican, or heavily redneck areas. Try to aim for diverse faggot towns, lol You may hate gays, but mark my word they’re the most decent places to live.

      Look at any university town, and you will see the most civilized peaceful people.

  6. Jason Y

    I can actually live with Mexicans. It’s not ideal obviously, but it is certainly tolerable. It’s really no big deal, and a lot of the Mexicans are very good people. Some even have good jobs, dress nicely and are smarter than you would think. While I can live with Mexicans, and it’s no biggie, I cannot live with Blacks. That to me is just unlivable.

    Your confusing ghetto blacks with average blacks. One can live around average blacks.

    • Truthteller

      No you CAN’T! The “average black” if not themselves a ghetto black are invariably related/supportive of them against law enforcement and any other attempts to civilize them, share their ghetto sensibilities, are related to them etc. Exceptions to this are just that.

      • While I would “fit” under your definition of a exception, I wouldn’t argue with you in the belief that a Average Black did think that way.

  7. Jason Y

    Poverty generally leads to towns with angry blacks, rednecks, Mexicans etc.. Of course, globalization and other abuses has lead to the situation. Nonetheless, unless your a real tough guy who can put up with racist insults and violence, then your best bet is to avoid angry areas of the nation, even though you understand the population is victimized by an oppressive world.

  8. asdsad

    Lol so true…

    Why there was colonial apartheid and segregation in countries where was blacks but not in any other countries… It is because blacks are dangerous and pretty much all other races are not. It was not to meant be mean against blacks but to protect white population.

    • Jason Y

      Other races including redneck whites are as dangerous as blacks if you get on their bad side. Getting on their bad side would mean not sucking their cock. Free speech in an area dominated by an angry ethmic group? unthinkable.

      • Truthteller

        Just more of your incessant apologies for/sucking up to/blacks. NO OTHER GROUP is as dangerous as ghetto blacks! As for supposed “white trash rednecks” etc. please explain why the violent crime rate in West Virginia and other places with large Appalachian and poor white populations is so low compared to that of ANY heavily black area – including the so-called “middle and upper class black neighbohoods” anywhere in the U.S.

        • He won’t answer you. I looked up Appalachian stats and they are still overall all better group wise.

          In terms of Blacks as a problem, you pointed out with the behavior of middle class blacks, the defense of their behavior.

          Think about it, at some point in history a human population was comparable to ghetto blacks and other high crime areas yet crime decreased, why?
          https://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/a-black-race-realist-finds-his-way/

          Here is an article on my beliefs.

          Now, you would see me talking in a sense of what missattempts calls “intellectuallizing”, basically it’s how I view thing in this situation.

          People describe what’s going on as a pattern, looking at Egypt, Rome, and Portugal as examples. If that is that case, then what force is causing it?

          This seems like something that tries to lighten the problem but I actually look at it as a aiding mindset. I don’t mean that the losses that occur in this should be taken lightly, but the actions of many as far as I see is just wanting to be deer in headlights, just looking about the fate that awaits them.

          The best I can suggest for them is to remain persistent and innovative.

          Germany mangaged to do something.

          https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/04/19/germany-begins-to-slightly-wise-up-will-begin-iq-testing-migrants/

        • Jason Y

          Just more of your incessant apologies for/sucking up to/blacks. NO OTHER GROUP is as dangerous as ghetto blacks! As for supposed “white trash rednecks” etc. please explain why the violent crime rate in West Virginia and other places with large Appalachian and poor white populations is so low compared to that of ANY heavily black area – including the so-called “middle and upper class black neighbohoods” anywhere in the U.S.

          So called white trash are dangerous within a family but not as much to strangers. However, they will go after strangers, and do everything ghetto blacks will do.

          The white drug addicts are using more subtle ways to wreck havoc, like identity theft, asking parents for money, but lying and using it for drugs, stealing stuff, but usually within some family framework. Basically, you don’t want your family to have any connection to white drug addicts.

          Right the overall society in Appalachia isn’t burning down. But burning stuff down isn’t what is needed in this case to cause massive damage. Massive damage is being done via injustice done to families, as I mentioned, broken homes (Note the broken homes won’t lead to burnt down bulidings, but just more of the white drug addict complex I mentioned).

        • Jason Y

          You don’t have to burn down buldings to be an idiot/monkey. These white drug addicts are the most repulsive type and chain tobacco smoking around 3 year olds is just the start. As I was saying, like cancer, they destroy from within. So you see a whole society in Appalachia which seems normal on the outside, but inside is all sorts of negative stuff.

          One of the worst things they do is marry into a normal family, have kids, and then use the grandparent’s love of the kids for extortion.

          Note these drug addicts, like the black counterparts will not make honest money, though they pretend to be these happy go lucky working class people like maybe Larry the Cable Guy or Cooter off Andy Griffith. They might occasionally fix your car or something, but generally their style is ripping people off, stealing, lying etc..

        • Jason Y

          In response to Phil and Truthteller,

          Stats on Appalachia don’t give you the whole picture. As SD was pointing out, the drug use doesn’t lead to a lot of outward negative behavior, at least in relation to make life hell for strangers. Basically so many pill addicts etc.. lay around in their home and do the stuff. There isn’t any energy to burn down buildings etc..

          The Appalachian pranksters work from within destroying families etc.. OK, why not look up stats on “hillbilly herion” etc.. Do a more deep search and you will see that Appalachia is as messed up as Harlem.

    • Jason Y

      Not all blacks are mean and dangerous. Once you put into place segregation, the good blacks are insulted.

      Actually what percentage of US blacks are actually ghetto, and hence deserve segregation to protect non-ghetto, white people.?

    • Jason Y

      How about white meth and pain pill addicts? They will rob you blind, kick your ass, etc.. Shouldn’t there be segregation against them to protect the white population, even old grandmas?

    • Tulio

      That’s nonsense. Blacks did not bother whites during the Jim Crow era or the time before it. They were mostly afraid of whites. Blacks were more likely to be the victim of white aggression and mobs during that time. Segregation was first and foremost about affirming white supremacy by keeping blacks “in their place” as second class citizens.

      • Jason Y

        That’s true, but if they didn’t fear black violence and rape, then they wouldn’t have set up such a system to begin with. However, then again, they brought the blacks to the motherfucker USA to begin with.

        I don’t think the hate from southern whites came from nowhere. They wouldn’t have been so determined in keeping blacks down if they weren’t afraid of them.

        • Jason Y

          Don’t we see the same situation on the tv show Spartacus? The Romans are determined to keep slaves down, even with crucifixtion, because they know darn well that being soft would lead to slave rebellion and the end of them.

        • Tulio

          Jason, what was the precedent for this fear? Historically what did blacks ever do to whites? Blacks were basically shackled at the ankles for the first few hundred years of this country’s history. And it’s not like blacks marauders came up from West Africa to invade Europe and rape, rob and kill.

        • Jason Y

          The blacks didn’t do nothing to whites. The whites were simply afraid because they made slaves out of them, and of course, once you make people slaves, then that automatically creates a state of fear.

        • Jason Y

          Also, as we saw with Jim Crow later, a state of fear exists due to poverty. Well, that’s a no brainer. That’s why so many governments in Latin America fear and want to control the lower classes.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          I am honestly skeptical that any sort of racism would ever truly exist for an extended period time without fear, yes, that’s common sense, but fear is FAR FAR more influential than hate (maybe I am too optimistic about human nature). I know lots of older Non-Hispanic Whites in my mom’s family. I try to question, why they think the way they do. The vast majority don’t openly speak badly about Blacks. It’s all about fear. Afraid of Obama, afraid of Black Crime getting into their neighborhoods, etc. They don’t hate Blacks or believe they are inferior. They are just afraid and exasperated at Black crime rates and such, because not believing in HBD (mostly), they believe the Blacks can change it.

  9. Narselvam

    Avoid going out at night at any cost as you arnt getting any younger. I wouldnt rule out dangerous crimes at any part as the society has gone from.bad to worse. Especially when cali is nolonger a white majority. You should exercise more caution. Should something happen to you, think about the blog and the years of work youve put in to maintain it. Be safe.

    • Another William Playfair Web

      Especially when cali is nolonger a white majority.
      Lots of Northeastern Asians in California’s non-Whites. That shouldn’t be that bad.

  10. S.D.

    RESPONSE TO JASON – If Leatherface with his chainsaw was running through a suburban neighborhood in the North East or West Coast than it would matter as much as black-on-white crime but MOST white-trash criminals wreak havoc in rural white areas that nobody cares much about.

    As it stands a 6’8 maniac wielding a chainsaw on a dirt road or the horrors of DELIVERANCE are a joke to middle-class whites from the suburbs…because they will not run into Hillbilly Heroin-crazed white trash. Blacks however, are different, So are Hispanics. They live in barrios and ghettos nearer to middle-class whties.

    Black criminals and Hispanic criminals are an urban blight that borders on the suburbs-which is why people care.

    Apart from the food supply and agriculture white rural America is simply of no interest in the suburbs.

    • Jason Y

      That’s nonsense; poor white drug addicts live on the edge of every suburb in the south USA and also in the west, and even the northeast and midwest.

      • “That’s nonsense; poor white drug addicts live on the edge of every suburb in the south USA and also in the west, and even the northeast and midwest.”

        UUUuuuummmmm……can this be vindicated with population data? Also, lets say that true, how does this compares in terms of crime prevalence with other minorities as well as actual population density?

        Robert just explained how even a small amount of blacks in his town caused a disproportionate amount of crime. Can you prove, not just in ONE area but in the various regions that the whites that you speak of commit a comparable amount of damage on average?

        • Jason Y

          People on dope, commit crime. If you’d like I can post links about pill and meth heads robbing and killing old people in my hometown etc..

          So is the same wth blacks. Note even with higher T, and maybe a lower IQ, blacks are going to be well behaved, unless they have some motivation to be bad, perhaps crack cocaine?

          Grant you, the ways of doing crime could be different among blacks and white dope heads. However, the end result is the same, robbery, theft, murder etc.. So really, what’s the difference?

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Yes, having a temptation is a factor, but in general MORE things are going to be temptations for Blacks, than Whites, in general.

          I live in Appalachia, and a sizeable junk of the White population acts like brain dead buffoons.
          That’s more typically the case, with Blacks, a lesser percentage of predominately White places are shitholes, than predominately Black places.

          I just object to the WN line of; “When Whites come together great things happen”.
          I’ve lived it, that’s not true.

        • Jason Y

          UUUuuuummmmm……can this be vindicated with population data? Also, lets say that true, how does this compares in terms of crime prevalence with other minorities as well as actual population density?

          It’s just common sense poor whites live all over the nation and on the edge of the suburbs, especially considering our nation has gone to shit. Look at Flint, Michigan, Michael Moore’s hometown, for instance.

          Why would links be needed to prove that? As for crime, just like the old WN poster Sam, your trying to act like whites cannot commit a lot of terrible crime, if any at all. Again I say, criminal whites are no different than blacks, except they might be in the family, which is an even bigger problem than with strangers.

        • Jason Y

          In response to William, what do you mean “brain dead buffoons?” (referring to Appalachian people)

          Yes, I agree, I don’t think great things always happen when whites come together. You see in Appalachia a practically white nationalist homeland, like WNs would dream of, but it isn’t that great. In fact, it’s nothing special, other than the beautiful mountain scenery.

        • Jason Y

          I think white dope heads tend to prey on family connections, like for instance, robbing grandma blind, hacking bank accounts, asking for money for help, but really using it for dope, using a grandparent’s love of grandchildren for extortion.

          With blacks the situation is different, as they might go more after strangers. Possibly because decent black people won’t put up with their shit. Generally blacks, and this includes black women, are very aggressive and protective because they won’t put up with crime as much from within the family. That’s just a theory though.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Jason Y-
          Let me elaborate;
          a sizeable junk of the White population acts like brain dead buffoons.

          Where I lived it was fine. But I traveled to nearby areas a lot, and they were pretty bad, and all White. I lived in the non-Whitest county in my state, yet it was the wealthiest and had some of the best schools…….

        • “People on dope, commit crime. If you’d like I can post links about pill and meth heads robbing and killing old people in my hometown etc..”

          You didn’t read the part about a single area not cutting, did you? Where did you read that i don’t believe that it CAN’T exist? My point is understanding actually prevalence.

          “So is the same wth blacks. Note even with higher T, and maybe a lower IQ, blacks are going to be well behaved, unless they have some motivation to be bad, perhaps crack cocaine?”

          there is a correlation with IQ and drug abuse. Media says that drugs causes low IQ which maybe true toi a degree but it is mostly the reverse due to impulse control of lower IQ people.

          Some maybe be better somewhat with drug exposure but that doesn;t make all of the demographic “safe”.

          “Grant you, the ways of doing crime could be different among blacks and white dope heads. However, the end result is the same, robbery, theft, murder etc.. So really, what’s the difference?”

          Different ratios of each and different amounts of each.

          “It’s just common sense poor whites live all over the nation and on the edge of the suburbs, especially considering our nation has gone to shit. Look at Flint, Michigan, Michael Moore’s hometown, for instance.”

          One, you have a funny habit of calling certain thing “common sense”, especially when you are comparing the by and large presence of poor whites equal to that of poor blacks for instance. And again, single areas DON”T COUNT.

          Also, that’s ONE town. What I meant was some sort of data of that demographic density throught the country

          “Why would links be needed to prove that?” See above
          “As for crime, just like the old WN poster Sam, your trying to act like whites cannot commit a lot of terrible crime, if any at all.”

          Quote me where I said such a thing.

          “Again I say, criminal whites are no different than blacks, except they might be in the family, which is an even bigger problem than with strangers.”

          Even when we compare Whites and Blacks matched for IQ there are still differences, so there really is no reason to believe that “they are the same”. Note, I’m not saying one is “better” but rather that their would be a measurable difference.

          “With blacks the situation is different, as they might go more after strangers. Possibly because decent black people won’t put up with their shit. Generally blacks, and this includes black women, are very aggressive and protective because they won’t put up with crime as much from within the family. That’s just a theory though.”

          That may apply to a certain demographic of blacks, perhaps middleclass, but I would reserve saying “generally”.

        • Jason Y

          there is a correlation with IQ and drug abuse. Media says that drugs causes low IQ which maybe true toi a degree but it is mostly the reverse due to impulse control of lower IQ people.

          A lot of science has proven pot causes a low IQ, and I’m sure other stuff like meth wouldn’t be that positive.

          I’m wondering about high IQ anyways, as in my own family two siblings exist, one makes over $100,000 a year due to college education, and the other barely gets by, does drugs, hangs with a bad crowd. I think the key here is the fact hanging with a bad crowd, not IQ, as we see the siblings have the same genetics, causes a trainwreck in life.

        • Jason Y

          Jason Y-
          Let me elaborate;
          a sizeable junk of the White population acts like brain dead buffoons.

          Where I lived it was fine. But I traveled to nearby areas a lot, and they were pretty bad, and all White. I lived in the non-Whitest county in my state, yet it was the wealthiest and had some of the best schools…….

          That situation is easily explainable. In Appalachia, the bigger towns might have factories, colleges etc.., therefore there is more of a tax base, so you get better football teams (to the resentment of the neighboring counties), better public education etc.. Also, since the towns are bigger, they are more likely to be diverse.

        • “A lot of science has proven pot causes a low IQ, and I’m sure other stuff like meth wouldn’t be that positive.”
          And as well studies shown what I’ve said as well.

          “I’m wondering about high IQ anyways, as in my own family two siblings exist, one makes over $100,000 a year due to college education, and the other barely gets by, does drugs, hangs with a bad crowd. I think the key here is the fact hanging with a bad crowd, not IQ, as we see the siblings have the same genetics, causes a trainwreck in life.”

          Siblings DONT have the same make-up, identical twins have the closest match.

          It is indeed possible for a sibling to differ genetically form the others.

        • Jason Y

          In the case of the two siblings I mentioned, I doubt it. It’s more like teenage rebellion. However HBD people don’t believe people can make real choices.

        • “A lot of science has proven pot causes a low IQ, and I’m sure other stuff like meth wouldn’t be that positive.”

          Jason, can you back up your statement that marijuana causes low IQ? Or that methamphetamine has any effect on IQ for that matter?

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Jason Y-

          I see.
          Well if the WN dumbasses want to insist on “no new n!ggers in the U.S.” as to African Immigrants, with the regression to the mean crap*, they must admit that with each passing generation of the rural Appalachia White IQ must be getting closer to the Mean (moving up).
          Appalachia is hemorraghing people so I doubt these poor low IQ types are being replaced.

          More proof that regression to the mean is b.s. because;
          any change beyond r^2 is not random, that is where environment comes in, which is perhaps loosely a function of ancestors’ IQ.

          Jayman says the formula is h^2xS
          where s is of course NOT random.

        • Jason Y

          http://healthland.time.com/2013/01/15/new-research-questions-marijuanas-impact-in-lowering-iq/ – a more balanced look. However, it still says that pot via some indirect ways can lower the IQ of poor youth.

        • Jason Y

          Jason Y-
          Let me elaborate;
          a sizeable junk of the White population acts like brain dead buffoons.

          Where I lived it was fine. But I traveled to nearby areas a lot, and they were pretty bad, and all White. I lived in the non-Whitest county in my state, yet it was the wealthiest and had some of the best schools…….

          Schools are not funded very well in Appalachia. Also, there is a macho mindset, kind of bone-head one, where any deep thinking is wussy. So it’s not surprising you don’t meet any deep thinkers. It’s highly conformist, a lot of fundementalist Christians etc..

        • Jason Y

          Jason Y-

          I see.
          Well if the WN dumbasses want to insist on “no new n!ggers in the U.S.” as to African Immigrants, with the regression to the mean crap*, they must admit that with each passing generation of the rural Appalachia White IQ must be getting closer to the Mean (moving up).
          Appalachia is hemorraghing people so I doubt these poor low IQ types are being replaced.

          More proof that regression to the mean is b.s. because;
          any change beyond r^2 is not random, that is where environment comes in, which is perhaps loosely a function of ancestors’ IQ.

          Jayman says the formula is h^2xS
          where s is of course NOT random.

          I’m not sure if the Appalachian IQ isn’t going up. Even though the place is very to the right and unsensitive, the people aren’t dummies. They have plenty of access to the internet. Most of them get a fairly good education, though it’s not the best.

          No, unlike what SD was saying Applachia isn’t full of inbred hillbillies, and the people there of course, would resent the suggestion, much as blacks would resent being called Uncle Sambo watermelon and fried chicken eaters, lol, or perhaps gays would hate being stereotyped as hairdressers.

      • “In the case of the two siblings I mentioned, I doubt it. It’s more like teenage rebellion. However HBD people don’t believe people can make real choices.”

        Well, unsure, it’s more of a matter in how choices are often tied to one’s behavior which is in turn tied closely to biological make up.

        • Jason Y

          OK, if what your saying is right, then parents shouldn’t even parent, and people shouldn’t even make choices, cause it’s pointless.

        • “OK, if what your saying is right, then parents shouldn’t even parent, and people shouldn’t even make choices, cause it’s pointless.”

          Incorrect, parenting contributes to protection, ability to gain certain resources, and give opportunities.

          They second sentence doesn’t even make sense based on what I said. I didn’t say anything suggesting that “people shouldn’t make choices”, what I said that since choices are tied to the brain and brain function are tied to genetics then it is logical to conclude that choice making is related to genetics.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        There are Mathematically reasons and actual evidence for simple regression towards a mean being falsely applied with IQ in human populations….even Jayman says so…

        • Jason Y

          Right, I totally agree that there is something fishy about what the HBDers are saying on this blog. It would be fun to watch their whole intellectual building crumble to the ground.

        • “Right, I totally agree that there is something fishy about what the HBDers are saying on this blog. It would be fun to watch their whole intellectual building crumble to the ground.”

          Though guess that may be a rare case for you since you raraely suceed at least when arguing with me.

          “There are Mathematically reasons and actual evidence for simple regression towards a mean being falsely applied with IQ in human populations….even Jayman says so…”

          Wait, what? so you are suggesting that, on a population level, mean regression wouldn’t occur?

          Can you share more this sounds interesting. I’m fairly competent that it occurs with individuals but I have heard of skepticism from others.

        • Jason Y

          In response to Phil, if you looked up stats on Appalachia, you’d see your argument with blacks and with the genetics and all isn’t the whole story. There is just as much evil going on in all white areas like Appalachia,. If those figures were brouight up, then I would win nearly all arguments with you.

        • “In response to Phil, if you looked up stats on Appalachia, you’d see your argument with blacks and with the genetics and all isn’t the whole story. There is just as much evil going on in all white areas like Appalachia,. If those figures were brouight up, then I would win nearly all arguments with you.”
          Again, no you wouldn’t. All you would prove is that stuff like that occurs in a certain area by whites.

          That wouldn’t dispute A. Why that’s the case (genetics or not and B. What makes blacks distinct is the disproportionate cases of pathology.)

          Tell when I ever said whites weren’t capable?

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Phil-
          I fully understand the concept (as I’m sure you do as well), AND IT IS 100% REAL but my point was that in a human population, there is nothing random, hence meaning it doesn’t really work the traditional way.

          Take for instance drawing random colored marbles from a closed bag(and then replacing them), a correlation could be found between the time (or times you have removed/replaced something), and color. The correlation would be less than perfect, of course, and it would indicate perhaps the general amounts of the items in the bag….so when you draw again, you are drawing randomly, and the odds are that you will actually select what is most common in the bag.

          That is NOT the case, with human genetics. There is no closed bag or randomness involved in passing off traits to ones offspring. h^2S, where S is environmental factors is the so-called “breeders equation”.

          I don’t explain things well, but all in all, the point is there are so many variables in intelligence, meaning that anything beyond r^2 is not random, but influenced by other things.
          I’m not quite sure about that last paragraph/may be oversimplifying, but yeah…

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Phil-
          I’m an amateur Mathematician, and didn’t even think about this until recently, and I could be 100% wrong, but it was reassuring that Jayman said similar things.

          Perhaps the only clear cut, non-abstract evidence would be, oddly enough, to look at the SDs in Black, White and Asian intellects (SDs would decrease over time assuming regression to the mean, and Blacks are older while Asians are younger)…..I’ll elaborate some more.

          When the Human Race was young, there was far more variance in traits, since there was not time to breed in preferable traits. Blacks evolved more similar, so to say, as our earliest ancestors (I am not implying Blacks are closer to monkeys, they actually evolved more, but more similarly, on the median), and kept the massive variance.
          As time and the race progressed, assuming regression to the mean, the SD will get smaller, and smaller, so that it’s smallest in Asians.

          One StormFronter said that he didn’t buy into the “Higher Verbal IQ” crap, and said the solution to Whites being creative than Asians was simply, that, although the Asian IQ is slightly higher, the SD is smaller.
          However, when that is taken to it’s logical conclusion, it would mean Blacks have the largest SD. ……….

          So basically a study is needed, I’ve seen data on pumpkinperson’s blog, saying the Black American SD, even with admixture is 12, not the 15 of White’s, so it may mean that all of the above is not the case, and regular regression to the mean does not apply in human populations, because there is no randomness whatsoever/many variables.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Phil-
          Here’s the link; https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/regression-to-the-mean/

          I am commenter “S”

        • https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/regression-to-the-mean/

          Thanks for the link. Honestly, Jayman’s assertion was pretty much what I always thought. A little more math and logic that I didn’t think of (I’m more of a explanation recorder and debator when it comes to HBD).

          As for the thoughts by that stormfronter, that’s pretty sad thinking. I mean SAD. simply a SD difference. HTF does a SD difference result in a clearly different pattern of thinking.

          There isn’t just a “degree” of intelligence, for as g shows for example like African Americans having higher Verbal IQs when matched at it, there is also different thinking PATTERNS in people minds.

          With me and them, and luckily enough for me the first WN I met was just a humble separatist who believed in White Trash and was a VERY respectable guy but many others are just horrible. I mean, I can understand the rage of others clearly but dammit guys like these are living proof of the left end of the Bell Curve applying to Whites as well sadly.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Phil-
          That WN is especially sad, because depending on the exact numbers, it could mean a Black (probably a Black woman), is the smartest person in the world! I’m going to do some research and see if I can crunch the numbers soon….

        • Sadly, I think I regressed during my 16-17 transition. Not particularly in intellect but in terms my personality which according to Jayman is possible.

          I used to be, say nicer and able to conform to institutions like school. Now I’m a little more bitter. Luckily though, I’m not completely out of touch. Actually, the state I’m in now isn’t exactly new based on how I used to act. The difference is that only in certain event did I feel like this, now it’s me default personality and my former disposition is reversed in terms of occurrence. Still, I’m not out off touch from my old self, it just seems he seems a little further than where he used to be and I even have a hard time reaching him.

          Aside from that, Laziness increased. I’ve been lazy for a long time, but I think what’s different now is that I’m spending a lot more time pondering about HBD more than I used to before 2015 when I was a denialist. So who knows, maybe that’s it and when I succeed everything will go back to normal.

          The problem is what I’m trying to create, a solution to the “Negro Problem” as it’s been called since reconstruction. Honestly I don’t disagree with Jason that much on the improvement culture does, what irritates me is how he argues it to debunk the logical of HBD.

          To be real, I’m no “Conservative Black” who will suck up to WNs despite what Jason may think. I honestly agree Civil Rights but what I don’t want is no regulation, excuses for pathology, White Guilt, etc. But often I do feel sympathy for whites who have no option but the WN ideology and want salvation hut unfortunately get mixed p with undesirables. As well I treasure personal responsibility.

          What I want isn’t even for Blacks and whites to be fully equal, but for blacks to have a foundation/forum to be active in helping our communities and comprehending the dangers of pathology. I don’t want a Space Station, Noble prize, or whatever. What I want is to be decent people of society. Maybe afterwards, yeah, professional stuff should be a goal.

          Alt Righters don’t really care if blacks succeed, fail, or whatever. All they want is them out of the way. That may be understandable to them, but they will simply never understand from my view unless they have some empathy. Some do, but many don’t.

          What irritates me the most is how many talk about what THEY should do. What they should do to my people. Saying what WE ARE for US. What makes it worst is that I can’t blame them because many blacks got the group into this mess and until a good amount of us stand they will continue to speak for us.

          It’s like my dad used to say, if you can’t answer someone they’ll make their own conclusions.

          But lets say I don’t get many of them, I’ll at least get one.

        • “That WN is especially sad, because depending on the exact numbers, it could mean a Black (probably a Black woman), is the smartest person in the world! I’m going to do some research and see if I can crunch the numbers soon….”

          Possible, but I have my reservations. Pumpkinperson of course has a lot of stuff on Oprah but that something else.

          I think that WN may’ve been an Asiaphile of somesort, because I don’t see how a WN wouldn’t want to be smarter than the “wimpy chinks” who always score a few point higher on average.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Well, I think the notion that somehow Blacks were better off pre-1964 is nonsense, it’s good that you support Civil Rights.

          My family has always had a general Black influence because my dad’s family was from the Caribbean, I almost take the anti-Black absurdity personally.
          Plus, anyone not from an Anglo-American country or Europe is automatically a Third World Mongrel (just ask Ann Coulter), so in some ways I can relate to you, but in others, of course I can’t.

          My family, perhaps other than my now Senile M-Grandfather does not believe in HBD. My dad has made from Pro- HBD statements, and understands evolutionary biology almost intuitively, and actually said at one point that the lack of civilization in the third world is because “it is easier to survive there, as opposed to colder places” (Rushton’s theory), but I’ve had a bad relationship with him recently and I’m not sure he is actually an HBDer. That’s why I spend a fair amount of time commenting here, plus it’s fascinating.

          I fear for the lives of all non-Whites in the States and Europe, I am convinced that another holocaust type thing is coming/race-war. However, Median to low IQ Whites, from what I have seen are, bitter, mean, aggressive, and dysfunctional. It’s a sign that White dominance is coming to an end.

        • “Well, I think the notion that somehow Blacks were better off pre-1964 is nonsense, it’s good that you support Civil Rights.”

          There is some truth to that, such has monogamy rates and father investment. That’s because at that time their was more of a pressure on non-whites to be white.

          Honestly their were that had no problem, but the issue was that many were living to an ideal they couldn’t be.

          That another thing I want, an ideal of our own. I’ve read of some positive Ideals from Africa that could be “modernize” for a black community.

        • What I meant was that there were ones who had no problem assimilating, but they weren’t the whole.

          As well back then you had smart blacks in their own communities running some higher end things so you also had better iq distribution in communities as well.

          What happened was a major lax in which ideals have been skewed.

  11. S.D.

    Blacks and Hispanics find TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE horrifying: a huge white maniac on a hick dirt with a chainsaw.

    That is why they NEVER journey out of urban environments.

    White-trash criminals are not really a bother in the suburbs. They are a bother in the rural areas, which apart from providing the food supply is not really in the minds of the average North American.

    Their like Amerindians, another words.

    • Jason Y

      No possibly cause they’d rather be among their own kind, not cause they prefer them out of racist reasons necessarily, but because they don’t want to run into racist whites, even just average middle class ones. They just don’t want to deal with people’s racist shit.

      • Jason Y

        Myself I went to middle school in an average, not really poor or middle class, just average Appalachian neighborhood, and the kids were were, frankly, racist and homophobic, mostly indocrinated by the culture and parents.

        Blacks wouldn’t want to go to such a school alone cause they’d get picked on all the time, unless they were some cool jock who could laugh it off or something, but it would be hell for a black nerd.

        • Jason Y

          People where I live don’t like blacks, gays, and Mexicans, it’s pretty fucking obvious from Facebook, and it’s not just really disgusting chainsaw, monster truck watching white trash who feel that way.

  12. Another William Playfair Web

    I just remembered, when I was a kid, I went to the second home of my Aunt, an Apartment in Brooklyn (Sunset Park area). The streets immediately around her home were predominately Mexican. When we pulled up at about 10 or 11 P.M., lots of people were out and about, but interestingly they were families, and these people were migrant workers, happy to be in America, and would stay up and play Latin Music across from our Apartment in the courtyard, it was a little loud, and the kids were screaming, but no loud adults existed.
    It was actually safe quite late into the night. Latin Gang graffiti would appear new almost every morning, but that must have been put up in the wee hours of morning, like 2 or 3 A.M. (I would not have liked to been out then)…
    It was also sort of funny that Mexicans were on one side of the park, but Asians on the other. The Asian grandparents watching their grandchildren would practice Tai-Chi in the park while the children played each weekday morning. It was actually quite idellic.

  13. S.D.

    IQ differences are greatly reflected in gang-related activities: You will not see Japanese Yakuza “tagging” walls on a Saturday or Hip Sing Tong members harassing whites in a playground-they welcome whites in the restaurants and markets to launder their heroin and human trafficking profits!

    Hispanics are half-Amerindian and more likely to behave recklessly, make less profit on the street level from gang-activity…and go to jail.

    White gangs-Russian, Bikers-are also more sophisticated and less of a civil disruption.

    At the bottom of it is intelligence.

    • jorge

      Biker gangs are more sophisthicated? Are you kidding me? How much sophisticate are a group of racist and ignorant drunk bullies with low intelligence and a destructive behavior? Even regular urban gangs are a bit more sophisticated.

      You always think that whites do everything better and analyze every behavior according to race and not to culture and social environment. It’s far away from reality.

  14. S.D.

    Mexicans are only half Amerindian which is enough to diminish their moral and common sense and make them drunks.

    Add in Sephardic Jewish and Spanish Caucasian. This leaves them sort of Amerindian plus, if you will.

    • Jason Y

      And what about the Irish, Russians, or the Germans? Don’t they have a drunk stereotype? For that matter what Euro nation doesn’t have that stereotype?

      • “And what about the Irish, Russians, or the Germans? Don’t they have a drunk stereotype? For that matter what Euro nation doesn’t have that stereotype?

        Well all that proves is how much a single stereotype could indicate, but there is more than one applied to Amerindians and ass well science has actually vindicated a higher percent of such alleles to them.

        “they seem to be building a high IQ civilization” define High IQ . Can you compare actual numbers like GOP and etc. with ones like Britian for example or find a standard for a “high IQ civilization” Objectively?

      • For that matter, what is the Irish’s actual score?

      • http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2012/08/14/raceiq-irish-iq-chinese-iq/

        I this what you’re talking about? Ron Unz has gained a bit of a history with being biased but I look into this later

        • Gay State Girl

          I concur.

        • I don’t mean to push the Idea that Irish are dumb, but I’m just cautious of this being undertaken By Unz. Granted I’m no expert on him, but I heard that he has had his fair share of “way out there” perspectives and assertions like “Hispanic crime being a myth”.

          What’s your assertion.

        • https://jakubmarian.com/average-iq-in-europe-by-country-map/

          According to this the Irish are what I thought, 95. While not a bad score, sort of puts them in a disadvantage of higher end European Scores.
          In addition, I wouldn’t say their potential leaves them at building a “high IQ” country but who knows they might have some sort of extra IQ factor to give a boost but I’m unaware of any.

        • By your assertion, I meant to say, what do you know of Unz?

        • Gay State Girl

          No I just had no problem believing his assertion about Irish IQ, having grown up in Boston and all. Many of their their neighborhoods were still ghettoized, even when I was growing up in the ’80’s and ’90’s.

        • “No I just had no problem believing his assertion about Irish IQ, having grown up in Boston and all. Many of their their neighborhoods were still ghettoized, even when I was growing up in the ’80’s and ’90’s.”

          The strange thing is that American ones are said to score higher, yet they vary in terms of what type of “cultural irish” they are and possibly how pure they are

          https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/irish-american-iqs/

        • Gay State Girl

          They don’t call themselves the fighting Irish for nuttin’.

        • Jason Y

          Oh gosh, LOL the Irish score is 95, I thnk they need to be special needs.

        • Jason Y

          The strange thing is that American ones are said to score higher, yet they vary in terms of what type of “cultural irish” they are and possibly how pure they are

          https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/irish-american-iqs/

          The IQ thing is about Ireland itself. If you want to go into Irish American IQs, then I think your going into more ridiculous stuff. Your saying that Irish marrying into say German or something makes a higher IQ. Again, more IQ baloney where the influence of genetics is widely exxagerated.

        • Jason Y

          Sorry mistake in HTML

          The strange thing is that American ones are said to score higher, yet they vary in terms of what type of “cultural irish” they are and possibly how pure they are

          https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/irish-american-iqs/

          The IQ thing is about Ireland itself. If you want to go into Irish American IQs, then I think your going into more ridiculous stuff. Your saying that Irish marrying into say German or something makes a higher IQ. Again, more IQ baloney where the influence of genetics is widely exxagerated.

          Also… as another thought, if your going to criticize Irish, then why not also cut down scotch-Irish, as they are both Celts, as SD was pointing out?

        • Jason Y

          quote by GayStateGirl

          No I just had no problem believing his assertion about Irish IQ, having grown up in Boston and all. Many of their their neighborhoods were still ghettoized, even when I was growing up in the ’80’s and ’90’s.

          My family is currently tied into white Appalachian drug addicts, and I grew up in Appalachia, yet nobody except SD, a little bit, takes my argument seriously.

        • Alpha Unit

          I’m hearing you, too, Jason. Human misery and suffering aren’t always tied to violent crime.

        • Jason Y

          No, misery etc.. isn’t always tied always to outward, obvious displays of being criminal. The white Appalchian drug addicts do most things under a cover. That’s why you see no drive-bys, burnt down buildings, riots etc..

          Their stuff is always done within a family, and if any thing does actually get to the police, then it’s always a family affair. So yeah, an outsider going into Appalachia gets this false image that the place is a crime-free, drug free paradise.

        • Gay State Girl

          I have always loved Appalachian culture.

        • “Oh gosh, LOL the Irish score is 95, I thnk they need to be special needs.”
          ….wtf?

          “The IQ thing is about Ireland itself. If you want to go into Irish American IQs, then I think your going into more ridiculous stuff. Your saying that Irish marrying into say German or something makes a higher IQ. Again, more IQ baloney where the influence of genetics is widely exxagerated.”

          I mention Irish Americans because They have been reported to have higher IQs than regular Irish and were used as a proxy for Irish in better conditions, however I brought this to show that their are some holes in such an assertion.

          Peter Frost and Un have debated it before I believe and Frost made a post about it.

          Also, what is outlandish about it based on what we know on genetics, ethnic groups, and IQs? Can you appeal to science and prove otherwise? (As if I don’t already don’t know the answer)

          “My family is currently tied into white Appalachian drug addicts, and I grew up in Appalachia, yet nobody except SD, a little bit, takes my argument seriously.”

          No, it’s because no one but you doesn’t understand the difference between anecdotes and data.

          “No, misery etc.. isn’t always tied always to outward, obvious displays of being criminal. The white Appalchian drug addicts do most things under a cover. That’s why you see no drive-bys, burnt down buildings, riots etc..

          Their stuff is always done within a family, and if any thing does actually get to the police, then it’s always a family affair. So yeah, an outsider going into Appalachia gets this false image that the place is a crime-free, drug free paradise.”

          Again, all your experience proves is the existence of such a demographic under whites. Granted, you could argue that this proves those who say “whites can’t….” or “whites don’t……” but that’s not the issue. The issue which you have yet to have debunk was case being disproportionate with other groups ON AVERAGE and it being due to genetic causes.

          But I’ll give you this, you were think creatively with the criminal filter stuff you mentioned…….the only problem was that it was basically the same thing I was saying about ways “eugenics” could be practical.

    • jorge

      Average Mexicans are more than “half” Amerindian, but is ridiculous associate this with a diminution in their moral or common sense. Really do you think that whites have more moral than Amerindians? Because history proves otherwise.

      • I find it funny that those who argue for white immorality by using “history” basically cherry-picked events of invading other lands and even details within that?

        Granted, if we are going to argue that shouldn’t we be more comprehensive, like taking account of violence, genocide, and invasion they did amongst themselves?

        I could go into genetics but given you, a denialist, would likely call “BS” then prove me wrong.

        Prove to me why their wouldn’t be a genetic component to population differences when we know A. evolution exist B. we clearly adapted phenotypically to our environments and C. considering our brain is an organ with different functions that control various part of our body and damage, for instance, physically or genetic affects our character and ability why not then genetic variation?

        With this considered, I do believe in environment having a role in inc causes but rarely does environment diminishes it.

        • jorge

          But from where comes that Amerindian genes are related with less “moral”? Moral it’s relative to each culture after all, except maybe some universal values. But from where comes that Amerindian genes are related with less “moral”? Besides, moral it’s relative to each culture (not race), except maybe some universal values.

          Can you cite some scientific study? Or are only personal appreciations from non-scientists like me or (I think) you? So you can’t ensure that this ideas are facts.

        • jorge

          And invasions, ethnocentrism, etc. are common to every human cultures, obviousluy wars and cultural shocks existed in populations of the whole world during all the human history.

          But, also it’s true that in the last centuries there were a level of sadistic violent racism much bigger than any other and was from Europeans, especially British, against blacks and Amerindians. Maybe if blacks/Amerindians had the chance, had done the same thing, but we can’t know.

        • “But from where comes that Amerindian genes are related with less “moral”? Moral it’s relative to each culture after all, except maybe some universal values. But from where comes that Amerindian genes are related with less “moral”? Besides, moral it’s relative to each culture (not race), except maybe some universal values.”

          Well by “moral”, in the HBD sense it is IQ’s correlation with impulse control. On top of that, their are also Hormone differences in Human populations as well as MAOA allele variance, which relates to serotonin absorption.

          “Can you cite some scientific study? Or are only personal appreciations from non-scientists like me or (I think) you? So you can’t ensure that this ideas are facts.”

          https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090605123237.htm

          Here’s the race comparison

          http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912004047

          “And invasions, ethnocentrism, etc. are common to every human cultures, obviousluy wars and cultural shocks existed in populations of the whole world during all the human history.

          But, also it’s true that in the last centuries there were a level of sadistic violent racism much bigger than any other and was from Europeans, especially British, against blacks and Amerindians. Maybe if blacks/Amerindians had the chance, had done the same thing, but we can’t know.”

          Actually, we do know. For example, the extremely long racism and cannibalism of Pygmies to this day. As well Blacks were the ones who caught slaves and they sold them to Arabs long before they met Europeans proper.

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2933524.stm

          “I don’t know in what post you “debunk” my “claims”. Maybe in some discussion about Argentina? A country that you don’t know even in movies?”

          Actually the one about Certain African Countries, such as Ghana, being “safer” than Eastern Europe.

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/people-are-getting-tired-of-the-endless-wait-for-blacks-to-close-iq-and-achievement-gaps-with-whites/#comment-258041

        • Jason Y

          If you want to go the HBD route you could easily argue Koreans are massive drunks, but ones who can make a successful civilization, or maybe Irish are drunks, but again, at least in this last century, they seem to be building a high IQ civilization.

          So Amerindians are genetic drunks who wallow on a reservation with no hope.

          Oh BTW, though this is off-topic, the Irish IQ did go up. We saw a case in history where the annoying low IQ Irish, that the English hated so much, became a high IQ group. Could this same scenario happen with blacks or other groups too?

        • Jason Y

          Right as Jorge was saying, ethnocentric thinking is a huge problem. Everybody want to view thier own race, famly etc.. in a better light than would be seen by strangers. For instance, your kid could be a real bastard, but to mom and pop he could do no wrong.

        • “If you want to go the HBD route you could easily argue Koreans are massive drunks, but ones who can make a successful civilization, or maybe Irish are drunks, but again, at least in this last century, they seem to be building a high IQ civilization.”

          Irrelevant, has nothing to do what I’m saying and how are they genetically “massive drunks”? Do you have a study.

          “So Amerindians are genetic drunks who wallow on a reservation with no hope.” Again, irrelevant and doesn’t really goes against anything I said or stoops my understanding.

          “Oh BTW, though this is off-topic, the Irish IQ did go up. We saw a case in history where the annoying low IQ Irish, that the English hated so much, became a high IQ group. Could this same scenario happen with blacks or other groups too?”

          Who said that and why? That’s actually a much heated discussion so it may matter. And if so well that’s no shock, Flynn has argued similar with the Dutch but that doesn’t prove anything in the case of Blacks considering the nature of their IQ and depression is un comparable.

          “Right as Jorge was saying, ethnocentric thinking is a huge problem. Everybody want to view thier own race, famly etc.. in a better light than would be seen by strangers. For instance, your kid could be a real bastard, but to mom and pop he could do no wrong.”

          Again, goes against nothing I said.

        • Jason Y

          Who said that and why? That’s actually a much heated discussion so it may matter. And if so well that’s no shock, Flynn has argued similar with the Dutch but that doesn’t prove anything in the case of Blacks considering the nature of their IQ and depression is un comparable.

          It was in some well respected magazine at the bookstore. It does seem to be a case of an improved environment in Ireland.

        • “It was in some well respected magazine at the bookstore. It does seem to be a case of an improved environment in Ireland.”

          Well you can find additional information then we might be getting somewhere. I Think the Irish may have potential in preserving their newfound improvements if anything as far as I’m sure.

      • Also, though I’ve said this to you before and even debunk some of your claims, I’m talking about Macro race AVERAGES, not a consistent rule.

        Any reliable study on these subjects would use “averages” as well as “correlation.”

        • jorge

          I don’t know in what post you “debunk” my “claims”. Maybe in some discussion about Argentina? A country that you don’t know even in movies?

  15. j michaels

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  16. jorge

    Out of topic, I read this part that says something of “lower-testosterone Mongoloids”, and I have to say that I always thought that indigenous of the Americas were part of Amerindian race, not Mongoloid race (except maybe the Eskimos and a few other peoples), even being their direct descendants and part of the most similar race (like Australoids are direct descendants of blacks and are very similar).

    • Australoids are not direct descendants of blacks.

      While some vaguely resemble blacks, they are two different genetic clusters.

      The first people “Out of Africa” weren’t like Blacks but something that currently doesn’t exist even more.

      I would go into general population genetics, but your denialist leanings would likely make it a toil.

      • jorge

        What “denialist leanings”?

        I’m not really into the subject, but I thought this of Australoids because they are the second oldest race after blacks, at least of live races.

        • People who talk about race phenotypically but not genetically often are technically denialists and often compare Aboriginals and Blacks directly.

          Most alreadly know Blacks were a product of expansion and not basal when people say “Subsaharans were first” they mean Capoids like Bushmen.

      • jorge

        Well, it’s way more easy talk about races phenotypically because it’s visible. For talking about races genetically you have to be a scientist or being really into the subject for understand it. I didn’t read to much about it, and it’s difficult find good sources (old ones for example used to be very partial and inaccurate, while current ones usually denied the existance of races for social reasons).

        • “Well, it’s way more easy talk about races phenotypically because it’s visible. For talking about races genetically you have to be a scientist or being really into the subject for understand it.”

          You can find a lot of info on that on this blog. I would type in “Macro and Micro races” in the search box and see what you get.

          “I didn’t read to much about it, and it’s difficult find good sources (old ones for example used to be very partial and inaccurate, while current ones usually denied the existance of races for social reasons).”

          A lot of Robert older stuff came with sources. For example, look up his IQ articles.

  17. S.D.

    SD RESPONSE

    Whoever said I was a white nationalist? Manchurian Chinese might have a few IQ points and civilization merits over Germany or Sweden to which I trace my ancestry.

    You simply see whose behavioral traits are the most common headaches and fears within the fabric of life on the American continent. Norwegians-Americans not so much, Central American Indians much more.

    JORGE Bikers dwell in clubhouses and do not “tag” walls or mug old women. Their criminal enterprises and front businesses (Motorcycle dealerships or Harley accessory stores) generate profit. The same could be said of Russians.

    Bikers are in the meth and pill trades which undoubtedly wreak havoc in the weeds of rural life or truck stops and sometimes there is a trailer-park murder of a jailhouse informant but rural whites are like Native Americans on their reservations-out of sight and out of mind.

    Some are dim-witted animals but white organizational systems, even among white criminals, are higher-functioning: this is why Biker gangs and Russian mafia are tougher for police to infiltrate and actually bring down.

    I do not deny that bikers are horrible and evil people but their crime is less visible than that of Hispanics or African-Americans.

    Whites started committing crimes against Amerindians when the first Viking long-ship arrived in Maine $1,000 years ago. They were morally questionable.

    However, the Amerindian blood in Mexicans makes them awful drunks and generally their IQ is too low for them to make the best of decisions-this is why Catalan Cuban emigres and Argentinians of Italian descent from the middle-classes are not the Spanish-speaking people making the streets dangerous in the U.S. and Central Americans are.

    They are Amerindians besides their language and religion of particularly primitive tribes.

    JASON Correct, African-Americans never had a concerned Grandma or Rich Uncle Harry who is willing to lend them a bit of money or has much of anything worth stealing to feed a habit.

    Asian heroin addicts and white meth-heads can usually get by selling enough to keep themselves high or working.

    But a $1000 freebase cocaine habit bankrupted Whitney Houston, no less and blacks love cocaine in all its forms as a drug of choice..

    Usually Dad is not part of the family or his own parents and Ma’s parents were poor Southern sharecropper types who own nothing.

    Poor whites can usually deal enough pills to keep themselves high but alas crack cocaine is a short high and African-Americans (Not so much pill freaks) need another hit so quickly that only theft or robbery can generate the amount of money required for a $400 crack cocaine habit…unless they are female and can rent their vagina.

    • Jason Y

      Cocaine or crack is the closest thing to an orgasm. Maybe that explains it’s appeal.

    • Jason Y

      Considering blacks cannot afford cocaine, and probably not even legal cocaine, then what can be done about the situation?

      OK, if cocaine is legal and the price went down, then would that reduce black crime?

    • jorge

      Well, you can’t say that Amerindians are just primitives when it’s an entire race and there were many kind of cultures, from more simple, like Awa people (I don’t use the term “primitive” because it’s a bit disrespectful), to more sophisticated (look civilizations that made Quechuas, Mayans, Mexicas, Olmecs, etc.).

      The same with any race.

      About Argentines, those who are from middle class don’t make problems in other countries, no matter the race.

      About Europeans, don’t think that the only Russian problem with crime are mafias, because there are much robbery and the same type of problemas of United States.

      And about whites in general, don’t forget European problematic teenagers that have the same behavior of American ones and are associated to some type of “little gangs” also, making problems to common people in streets. Like in United States you have many of this teenagers associated to hip hop, in Europe there were/are punks (I’m talking about the “original” ones, of United Kingdom, and about many of Europe in general, that had similar social environments), gopniks (in Russia), neds (in Scotland), chavs (in England), etc.

  18. S.D.

    Blacks are poorer but love the most expensive drug…cocaine. Of course crime rates are going to reflect the fact that a $1,000 freebase habit would bankrupt Whitney Houston, much less the average resident in the projects.

    Whites can usually keep themselves in pills by selling a few on the side to other users. Sadly they will steal from relatives before they will actually rob an old woman in the street. Pills result in a low-energy addict.

    Meth, the other drug of choice for whites, does result in some shocking crimes. But most whites can also sell meth on the side.

    The bottom line is that African-Americans love the most expensive drug around and they are the poorest citizens in North America,

  19. S.D.

    JORGE’S RESPONSE

    Who cares if bikers rot in a clubhouse or sometimes kill a “rival” wearing a “patch” or Russians liquidate on another. On the street they pose little danger to innocent pedestrians and I am not frankly concerned if hardened white criminals die or go to jail due to a lifestyle they embrace.

    The same goes for Yakuza, Triads, Hip-Tongs, Korean mobs who are mixed up in gambling or the heroin trade who chose to liquidate one another. They do not pose a risk on the street to the same degree as “cholo” by products of 17th century rape between Indian maidens and Spanish sailors or Crips.

    We are talking about which “ethnic criminal organizations” cause the greatest degree of public disorder and danger to the public in practical statistics, not morality or nature vs. nurture psychology. Biker gangs and Russians murder rival Bikers and Russians and even their own associates “liquidation” all of the time.

    Who cares? These are not innocent victims like the old lady mugged by the crackhead or Witchita Horror victims…these are fellow white criminals who chose that way of life for themselves. Bikers are evil and vicious criminals…who only prey on other white criminals.

    Race and Culture are two sides of the same coin with the practical effect on day-to-day quality of live so who cares whether it exists in the DNA at a molecular level or in an environment that no amount of government spending can change.

    Yes, bikers can be awful…,Even Crips and Mexican gangs find them repulsive and fearful though there is some co-operation between Hispanics and bikers in the upper-echelons of the drug trade.

    Unless you actually visit their bars or walk around wearing the “patch” of their “rival club” I doubt you’ll experience problems with them. They do not want police attention because they make their living outside the law.

    Culturally-speaking whites with gang tendencies who form or join biker gangs sit in a clubhouse drinking beer. They are not a blight in public places and tend to self-isolate from general Caucasoid populations.

    Sophisticated? Well they do not rob old ladies to buy crack cocaine. Usually they own motorcycle repair shops or biker bars where nobody in their right mind would want to go.

    Black and Amerindian (But not cartel-operating high-level pale-skinned Al Pacino/Escobar type elites) Hispanic gangs will more likely pose a threat on the street-level to innocent pedestrians.

    • Jason Y

      I think this whole white trash slasher film fixation has gone too far. Myself, I know a few so called “white trash” and they would never do those things, even though they might be fans of slasher flicks etc..

      Generally so called white trash are just poor whites who struggle to live. Some are on drugs, but many or not, but they all have hard lives.

      • Jason Y

        However, the portrayl of white trash slasher people as in “The Devil’s Rejects” etc.. can be quite funny though, lol, especially the scene with the pizza guy coming to the door. But again, a lot of this stuff is fantasy, though there are a few extreme people, like that to year old Dominos pizza guy I was talking about in the other thread, who definitely fit the stereotype, and I’d be sacred to know what was in his brain.

    • jorge

      You give too much importance to race, like if every behavior has genetic reasons. Drug cartels have many Amerindians too, and they have high and violent criminal activity but don’t bother common people.

      • “You give too much importance to race, like if every behavior has genetic reasons. Drug cartels have many Amerindians too, and they have high and violent criminal activity but don’t bother common people.”

        From what I’ve seen I’m cautious of using one Amerindian group as a proxy for another because they seem to vary in behavior which isn’t a surprise considering how vast they were in terms of ethncities and origins.

        Also,pretty much every behavior does have a genetic component. The issue is that some may have different heritability, the lieklyhood of them being passed on though many have shown a rather significant postitve correlation.

        https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/all-human-behavioral-traits-are-heritable/

  20. S.D.

    JASON APPALACHIA RESPONSE

    I am not sure that the Ulster/Scottish-descended populations of Appalachia are any more “inbred” than Italian-American districts of New Jersey or predominantly Norwegian communities of Fargo.

    Exactly why a populations of Ulster Scots have fared less well in one region that Germans in Pittsburgh or even recent Catalan Spanish Cuban emigres to Miami is a good question.

    Why is the region poor…Your guess is as good as mine.

    • Jason Y

      I’m not sure if it’s really poor as compared to other parts of America. At least that’s the case now. You can go to Flint Michigan or maybe even Robert’s neighborhood and see poverty.

      • Jason Y

        Note I’m saying white poverty, the whole cluster of Dollar Stores of every variety, title loan shops etc.., seems to be nationwide.

  21. S.D.

    POOR WHITE CRITERIA FOR A HARD LIFE

    EUROPEAN IQ

    Germans and Scandinavians do seem to be slightly smarter and less-impulsive than Celtic populations or Italians. This is reflected in the higher standard of living in Finland than in Sicily or Malta or even Northern Ireland.

    To some extent, this pattern has been repeated in the U.S. Fargo is not as shabby as New Jersey or Appalachia.

    EARLY PARENTHOOD

    If your parents conceived you when they were 19 or 20, did not manage to acquire skills during that period that earn a great deal of money and you are dependent on a lousy government system for your needs than you are more or less handicapped coming out of the birth canal.

    …YOU’RE STUPID ENOUGH TO REPEAT THE PATTERN WITH YOUR OWN GIRLFRIEND AT 19 OR 20

    Apparently not realizing that your own “hard life” was a result of parents who conceived you when they were too young…Poor whites repeat the same process at age 21. Children, bad relationship.

    MULTIPLE PARTNERS

    As Mr. Lindsey has noted, poor white women are attracted to the bad boys. They usually father several children with different women whom they cannot adequately support.

    MINIMAL PUBLIC PROGRAMS

    Australia and Canada and New Zealand can throw a great deal more money at poor whites because of course, they have no minorities to subsidize.

    American taxpayers are loathe to compensate other whites for their poor decision making. Fewer government programs exist to lift the poor out of poverty.

    BIGGEST REASON

    Poor whites on the street do not fare well against physically more-powerful black gangs or suicidal macho Hispanics. Blacks and Hispanics do not seem to care if they do 5 years in jail and will do it standing on their head.

    Ergo poor whites are usually not even successful criminals.

    They are not THAT different from NATIVE AMERICANS. Outta sight and outta mind.

    • Jason Y

      As Mr. Lindsey has noted, poor white women are attracted to the bad boys. They usually father several children with different women whom they cannot adequately support.

      If they really are bad boys, and so tough, then why can’t they keep a job to support who they fuck?

    • Jason Y

      Do you have any proof via links Celtic Americans are more impulsive, or is this just some stereotype from listening to Lynard Skynard albums, lol ??

  22. S.D.

    JASON Y

    Poor Flint Michigan whites are descended from two groups:

    Appalachians aka “Michigan Hillbillies” who migrated North following the Depression of the thirties until the fifties in order to work in the factories.

    Polish immigrants who immigrated in the 1920’s-1940’s, again to work in automobile manufacturing sectors.

    Middle-class whites with any sort of liquid skills have left Michigan already (Except Ann Arbor and West Michigan which is mostly Dutch).

    I’m one of them, I know.

    • Jason Y

      Why is everything so genetic? How about the effect of American culture on youth? Your telling me German, Polish or Scandanavian teenage boys are less likely to become bad boys, or that girls from such ethnic groups wouldn’t be attracted to them?

      How about the fact places like Flint, Michigan have been abandoned by US industry, hence leading to white poverty (and also black poverty etc..)?

      • Tulio

        Yeah, I really get tired of this genetics as explanation behind literally EVERYTHING. If one group so much as brushes their teeth more than another, it MUST be genetic! That is one of things that annoys me about Jayman’s blog.

        • Jason Y

          Right, it’s probably at least 70 to 80 percent bullshit. Somewhere a long the line in things, there has to be choice, and there has to be the effect of the environment.

        • “Yeah, I really get tired of this genetics as explanation behind literally EVERYTHING. If one group so much as brushes their teeth more than another, it MUST be genetic! That is one of things that annoys me about Jayman’s blog.”

          Technically it only seemingly outlandish in the sense of monoliths. Considering that these are averages, that natural selection occurs with humans through sex/economics/etc. it not illogical.

          They simply need to be thought of as trends rather than rules.

          “Why is everything so genetic? How about the effect of American culture on youth? Your telling me German, Polish or Scandanavian teenage boys are less likely to become bad boys, or that girls from such ethnic groups wouldn’t be attracted to them?”

          Well, their are traits that gives them the advantage f being steered from that on average. Weren’t you also who said that attraction (or better yet beauty) was cultural. The idea of populations of different cultures not finding others outside of it attractive shouldn’t be against your logic then.

          “Right, it’s probably at least 70 to 80 percent bullshit.” Objective reason why that is concrete?

          “Somewhere a long the line in things, there has to be choice,” which is based on one’s reasoning, which again can be tied back further to biology. Seriously, their are already biological disorders that are known to affects one’s reasoning so why would that be outlandish?

          “and there has to be the effect of the environment.”
          in terms of malnutrition, certain substance exposure, parasite load then yeah you are right. I’ll even accept outside influences at certain ages but even then individual capacity for successful reasoning isn’t excluded, along with age actually being a factor of biological function in of itself.

    • Jason Y

      Notice that the word hillbilly is OK with so many people, but the word COON or the n word, or JIGGABOO is evil.

  23. Jason Y

    BTW I bet RobertLindsay is a celtic American, so what is his take on SD’ suggestion that his nationality is prone to impulse, hence making them no different than African Americans in some ways?

    • I am 1/4 Celtic and that is just fine, some of us are even Scots Irish. But I am 3/8 English, 1/4 German and 1/8 French also, so don’t forget about that. My Mom’s side is 1/2 English and 1/2 Celtic, but they are all quite restrained. On the other hand, they are all females too though. My Mom’s family was very much upper class. She grew up in a mansion with maids.

      They can call me an impulsive Celt, or even a dumb impulsive Celt all they want and I don’t care. I’m neither dumb nor impulsive, so it’s nothing to me.

  24. S.D.

    COCAINE AND CRACK

    Blacks tend to use crack cocaine because they are fools while the rest of society has moved on to Meth (Same high but more economical) and young middle-class whites to Ecstasy or other club drugs.

    I’ve never used crack cocaine but my minor experience with crack heads has been that it is both very expensive and very addictive which is why they commit crimes to acquire more.

    Crack cocaine’s near comical side-effects are so stupid than any self-respecting white druggie is going to prefer Ice (Better bang for the buck) or some other form of speed.

    Blacks do not like depressive drugs (Opiates) in all all of their forms and prefer stimulants. That is why cocaine replaced heroin as the drug of choice in the ghettos of the 1980’s.

    Whites who abuse heroin or “downer” pills are generally lower-class to lower-middle-class.

    These drugs tend to make them “nod out” in their trailers all day as oppose so addiction is more of a social dilemma than responsible for fueling violent crime, like crack cocaine.

    In the 80’s and 90’s many whites from the middle and even upper-middle-class lost their savings and their careers or became criminals/coke whores because of cocaine…They are all 50 years old by now and were born from 1963-1970 when cocaine popularity was at its peak between 1982-1996.

    Meth has replaced it with young whites craving stimulants because well, you get more bang for the buck.

    SD SPEAKS THE TRUTH ON ALL MATTERS

    • Jason Y

      These drugs tend to make them “nod out” in their trailers all day

      Yeah, where else would the live? 😆

    • Jason Y

      Possibly people prefer meth, and pain pills cause it can be homegrown. It doesn’t have to be imported from Latin America.

      • Jason Y

        Oh yeah, and pain pills and maybe even meth are easier to get without having to deal with drug enforcement.

  25. S.D.

    JASON’S MICHIGAN ANSWER IS SIMPLE:

    Higher IQ people follow opportunities and move on (Which is why big British-settled countries exist) They have some money in bank accounts and the capacity to adapt. Educated Michigan whites whether Celtic or Jewish simply left for Canada, Chicago, California because their skill set or adaptability placed them in a better position somewhere else.

    This migration out of Michigan began in the 1980’s. With it the tax base shrinks and trickle-down economics go out the window. The people who remain in Flint, regardless of ethnicity, are the ones who lack the initiative to leave.

    The expression for that is “white flight”.

    People with lower IQ tend to hang around and lack the initiative to adapt somewhere else. So they suffer the consequences.

    • Jason Y

      Well, gosh, LOL, that pretty much destroys any argument for left wing economics. So you must be a Republican or libertarian.

      Well, I mean you could have sort of a point. For instance, if things suck in a black or white ghetto, then it seems like some would develop the initiitive to say fuck this place and move on, maybe move to an area with more jobs.

  26. Jason Y

    I don’t understand the appeal of drugs, LOL, when I can just jerk my dick, or drink a lot of coffee to get a buzz😆 It’s a lot less expensive and legal.

    • Hasdrubal

      Depends on the drug, paying 5 or 10 bucks for a hit of LSD and an 8 hour trip is pretty economical entertainment.

  27. S.D.

    I’m sure whites who abuse Oxycotin live in all sorts of places besides trailers BUT they are too lethargic from the effects to commit many crimes. They simply lie on a dirty bed.

    The fact that Meth and Pills do not have to be smuggled from South America probably explains why bikers dominate the trade instead of Hispanic cartels.

    • Jason Y

      I do not understand the appeal of pain pills. At the very least, I want to be awake and feel alive.

      Pain pills are for when you have pain, real pain, like say you got wounded in Vietnam or something. It’s not something to get a buzz off of.

      • Tulio

        Several years ago my back gave out and I was in excruciating pain that was only alleviated with spine surgery. While I was waiting for my surgery date, they gave me Norco which I needed just to get through the day. It’s an opiate and addictive. While I wasn’t on it long enough to get addicted, I did enjoy the high I got from it. In addition to the physical pain, my life was unraveling and I was going through depression as well. These pills not only helped me physically get around, but for a few hours my depression was relieved as well. I only needed one round of this stuff, but if you were on it for awhile I can totally see how pain pills can be addictive. It’s not just the high, it’s a temporary escape from misery, however short lived.

  28. S.D.

    Australia and Canada are much more left-wing than the United States where I chose to live following my own departure from Michigan in 1999-beyond that I would be vague about my personal details except to state that I have lived in Asia and Canada for nearly half my life at 42. I find “Red State, Blue State” definitions to be rather irrelevant at this point.

    Politics have nothing to do with out-migration from a shrinking economy. Those who can will leave so they can earn money and have a quality of life in Canada or California and those who remain will be less well-educated or adaptable or simply energetic…they will also have less money and therefore the tax-base will shrink so that the place gets poorer…until finally you have the MAD MAX setting of Detroit.

    Yes, Jason, druggies and unskilled/uneducated people will remain on the shrinking ship and the faster-swimming rats will abandon it.

    The most Left-Wing folks in Flint (Jewish Union Organizers at one time) fled for California and Israel when the plant closed. So did the Right-wing Wasps in management.

    Both groups with their earning power equally gone..

  29. S.D.

    JASON Humans are mammals like rats and those who can swim away from a sinking vessel do so and those who do not drown.

    Politics has nothing to do with base survival instincts and I assure that Flint was abandoned equally quickly by WASP Republican dentists, Jewish liberal union organizers, Irish-American clergy.

    I do not possess any political affiliations because I left the United States in 1999, personally. I have lived in Canada and Australia which were much more left-wing countries and found the quality of life superior. “Red State” vs “Blue State” does not concern me much nor am I greatly informed.

  30. S.D.

    JASON

    OUT-MIGRATION PATTERNS VS ENTRENCHED UNDERCLASS

    Out-migrant is-

    Usually college-educated, single or skilled occupant. No dependents, or if married with children belongs to white-collar skilled category.

    House is of sufficient property value ($200,000) to sell quickly though at some loss.

    Entrenched Underclass

    Cannot leave because single parent with children. Possess no funds for relocation.

    If homeowner house is of little value in bad neighborhood and heavily mortgaged.

    Poor adaptability to new environs.

    FINAL RESULT

    Post-industrial region loses higher-earning residents and property values plummet. Eventually it becomes a ghost town.

    • Jason Y

      That situation could be solveable if they underclass would seek more vocational or acadmic education, but of then because of low self esteem or some cultural taboo against learning, nobody will break out of the negative situation.

  31. S.D.

    PHIL’S RESPONSE ON MORALITY

    Do African-Americans care if Italian-American mobsters kill one another or Hell’s Angels kill Mongol’s at a Biker convention? Doubtful, really.

    It is not that African-Americans are racist but that the crimes of biker gangs and Italian mafioso do not affect them.

    Nor do we argue that Biker gangs, Italian-American mafia or Russian white mobsters are “moral”.

    On a daily basis their crimes do not affect the public landscape. Innocent pedestrians are not endangered.

    Morality has nothing to do with public safety standards.

    White criminals in their Italian strip joints like the “Bing” and biker bars simply do not pose any disruption…except at motorcycle conventions.

    • “Do African-Americans care if Italian-American mobsters kill one another or Hell’s Angels kill Mongol’s at a Biker convention? Doubtful, really.

      It is not that African-Americans are racist but that the crimes of biker gangs and Italian mafioso do not affect them.

      Nor do we argue that Biker gangs, Italian-American mafia or Russian white mobsters are “moral”.

      On a daily basis their crimes do not affect the public landscape. Innocent pedestrians are not endangered.

      Morality has nothing to do with public safety standards.

      White criminals in their Italian strip joints like the “Bing” and biker bars simply do not pose any disruption…except at motorcycle conventions”

      Exactly, what Jason is talking about is just underclass pathology as opposed a harmful entity criminality.

  32. S.D.

    CELTIC REPLY Australia, Canada and New Zealand as well as Great Britain are Anglo-Celtic countries and fully-functioning at a first-world level.

    I do not believe that Celtic whites are more prone to crime or anti-social behavior than other group of Caucasians.

    This was misconstrued.

    Appalachia is a great mystery but I suspect it is a constant cycle of early pregnancy, drug and alcohol dependence, unemployment, economic post-industrial failure and other factor as oppose to genetics.

    Virtually every area between the West Coast and East coast has poor white trash.

    • Jason Y

      Appalachia has serious problems, but no buildings are being burnt down. Nonetheless, serious problems are a foot. For some reason though, it hasn’t translated into violence, at least not the kind affecting people outside the immediate family, or revolution.

      Note you do hear a lot about molestation and horrible violence within a family. It’s always in the news here. However, you don’t hear much about strangers getting gunned down, or gangs, or drive-bys etc..

    • Jason Y

      Generally people in Appalachia are good people, but you don’t want to hang out or marry into certain families.

      Of course, a lot of people criticize the Christianity in Appalachia, but if they didn’t have it, a lot of people would regress to literally a Charles Manson persona. A lot of people here in their natural state are theives, liars, extortionists, child molesters etc..

  33. S.D.

    DEVIL’S REJECTS WHITE TRASH HORROR FILMS

    Rob Zombie’s horrible family was capable of controlling themselves in public because they did not want to get caught.

    In the sticks, faraway from the authorities they did commit some atrocious crimes but this was because they were not going be caught (Though they were eventually in the film series).

    White serial killers are as odious as black criminals but they have some cunning as to where and when they carry out their crimes that does not seem present in the impulsive acts of violence in the ghetto.

    • Jason Y

      Possibly these freaks would commit stuff like that against family members, assuming you were dumb enough to marry into them, and it does happen.

  34. Jason Y

    Possibly why so called white trash fly rebel flags so much, and love to point out the criminality of blacks, is because it takes attention away from thier own crime, a cancerous crime that is “done more secretly and subtle” rather than the outward display of anarchy as seen with blacks.

  35. S.D.

    Why exactly do “Rebels” care so much about blacks when so few blacks live in the rural areas? It is not as if African-Americans are going to invade Appalachia or want to move outside urban areas.

    I’ve never understood the obsession.

    • I even read that West Virginia was the forth whitest state, but on the other end it was among the most poor so it likely wouldn’t attract that many.

      • Jason Y

        I like West Virginia, but not cause it’s white, but because it’s a simple place and has a very earthy innocent quality or something. It has a personality. Of course, the Blue Ridge mountains are also spectacular.

    • Jason Y

      Probably cause it represents their culture, and also it’s a deflection shield for internal problems. In other words, they’re saying “Our problems aren’t so bad, just look at Detroit burning down etc..” It’s a sort of false self righteousness. Also, it just looks just really bad-ass😆.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        I’ll make the full disclosure I am in W.V.

        Whites in W.V., at least in the boonies, according to someone I know, do do exactly what Jason said..”Baltimore riots are nothing special, that’s just how Blacks act…”.

        “If Bernie Sanders becomes President I am taking my guns and moving to X European country”

        Needless to say almost any X European country is Quasi-Socialist and definitely does not even allow police have guns🙂

        • Jason Y

          Right, it’s just how they act, those silly monkeys. But one could bring up how degenerate Appalchian whites act, but that would make you an enemy of the people.

        • Gay State Girl

          ““If Bernie Sanders becomes President I am taking my guns and moving to X European country”

          Needless to say almost any X European country is Quasi-Socialist and definitely does not even allow police have guns:)”

          Love it!

        • Jason Y

          But then again it’s pretty dumb to think you can waltz into some place and criticize the local people and culture, even if your right. It just doesn’t work anywhere. You can bitch on a blog, but then they can sometimes seem cowardly.

  36. S.D.

    Does Super Fly really want to visit the Texas Chainsaw Family and eat BBQ with “Leatherface” or move into Rob Zombie’s horrible rural towns of his films or marry the sister of the DELIVERANCE cast?

    Of course not. So why do these rural poor whites care at all?

    • Gay State Girl

      It would be funny to see how different factions of the White Nationalist movement related to one another in a hypothetical White Zion.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        In Michelangelo’s painting where God’s finger is touching Adam’s finger, one WN photoshoped Trump’s face where Adam’s was supposed to be:/

        They also denied Climate change on their blog.

        Had an animation of Hillary’s face transforming into an “Evil Jew” caricature.

        The Pagan types are seriously, seriously childish/stupid, or demented or something. It’s not just my opinion. It’s practically fact.

        Considering Andrew Anglin, the smartest among the Pagan types, can’t read a Scientific paper (a relationship of Monkey type phenotypes and high intelligence/Asian type phenotypes are compared, by dividing the former over the latter), of course had the Black box and whisker plot closer to the chimps than the Whites. Andrew Anglin hailed it as proof, and went nuts.
        He’s their smartest! It’s quite startling actually.

        https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2015/11/28/response-to-daily-stormer-article-black-africans-are-genetically-closer-to-bonobos-than-to-white-humans/

  37. Jason Y

    Bad Appalachian whites deny the truth about themselves, just as ghetto blacks do. You sure as hell can’t criticize so called white trash without being labled a cocksucker. Mark my word, talking trash about either group will lead to a confrontation, and massive reverse bashing. It’s sure way to get unpopular fast, if you manage to get near these groups.

    • Jason Y

      As with Koreans, Mexicans, or any ethnic group, you can’t go against the race without a backlash. That’s why Trump is going to run into trouble if he becomes president. Mexicans will take his actions personally, as they are already, even if Trump states he’s only going after the worst Latinos (gangs, illegal immigrants etc..)

  38. S.D.

    Trump in his Plaza probably does not care if Amerindians in a dusty Southwest barrio take to their flyblown streets.

    What sort of trouble could Trump run into? He is not trying to get their vote anyhow.

  39. S.D.

    Minorities lack the long-term focus and precision for such violent political action. Though in Central and South America it occurs.

    They will simply continue swilling alcohol and getting high in the barrios or ghettos no matter what decisions are made in the halls of power on the East Coast.

    Like Jason’s Appalachians they also have children frequently and unplanned, which along with their drugs and poverty keeps them preoccupied.

    • Jason Y

      I guess that’s the downside of being a bad boy, someone who is physically normal or above normal, likes to do macho things like drink and smoke etc..has good social skills (at least in a tough society) They get the girls, they get to have babies, but those kind of guys just don’t have any brains.

      • Jason Y

        The fat, the skinny, the deformed, the socially awkward get none of that. They get called gimps, or pussies, or losers.

  40. S.D.

    People with no money who produce children in random acts of lust and spend most of their money on their booze or drugs are not really capable of any political action, are they?

    What are people in the barrio with their drug habits and drunk driving offenses and screaming neglected kids going to do to a man in the centers of power.

    Probably nothing.

    • Jason Y

      Drunk drving oppresses the poor including poor whites. So many of them can’t drive a car (hence can’t get to work or school or anything positive) because of drunk driving offenses.

      In other cases, some lower IQ people literally cannot drive so they’re pulled over all the time for traffic offenses besides drunk driving.

  41. Jason Y

    quote by phil

    Well, their are traits that gives them the advantage f being steered from that on average. Weren’t you also who said that attraction (or better yet beauty) was cultural. The idea of populations of different cultures not finding others outside of it attractive shouldn’t be against your logic then.

    OK, phil has a point. Obviously Appalachians like country music listening bad boys cause that’s their culture, and black chicks would be attracted to gang-bangers cause they’re seen as the most macho, but black chicks would be less attracted to an Appalachian bad boy. Northeast Asian girls, on the other hand, would be attracted to more academic types as opposed to bad boys.

  42. S.D.

    TYPICAL EURASIAN AMERICAN PROFILE Northeast Asian Mother

    Mother a college graduate from hard-working respectable Japanese or Chinese immigrant family. Her IQ is at least 110.

    Father a middle or upper-middle-class white of European background (Any) and college graduate with IQ of 110 or higher.

    Delayed, planned pregnancy at age 25-35.

    Physically the child resembles an Eastern European or Native American. Children often attractive.

    Strong emphasis on early education of child. Also discipline, self-restraint.

    Traditional gender role family models, reducing gender-confusion or later promiscuity in female child during adolescence.

    Private schooling with less exposure to violence or drugs or early sexual activity.

    VS. POOR EUROPEAN OR AFRICAN-AMERICAN PROFILE

    Parents young and impregnation a result of random sexual lust often under influence of intoxicants.

    Father a bigamist (Many partners) whose children learn contempt for women.

    Mother minimally educated.

    Rundown schools, drugs, violence.

    One or both parents in jails.

    • Jason Y

      I still feel a lot of this stuff is cultural. For instance, in my family, we have a side which likes education, and take care of thier health. While the other side chain smokes, only graduates high school, and generally does wild behavior (drug use etc..) People in our family can choose which side to be like; Often the choice begins early in life when they start either hanging around with a bad crowd or with a good crowd.

      • Jason Y

        You become like the crowd you hang around, and we also find that verse in Proverbs. Genetics plays only minimal role in my opinion.

  43. S.D.

    Canada, Australia and New Zealand are quite Celtic but their living standard is higher than that of “Nordic” Minnesota or Jewish/Italian Queens.

    So I am not ascribing some genetic deficiency to Celts.

    Anyone who knows American history is aware that many Celtic criminals were deported to Appalachia but Australia has the same history.

    Please do not thinks this.

    • Jason Y

      Celtic criminals? Come on.😆 So what. Those deportations to Australia and Tennessee etc.. happened hundreds of years ago.

  44. S.D.

    JORGE Yet most white Hispanics do not commit crimes. Mestizos, Mulatto and Amerindians commit crimes both in and out of Latin America.

    Why?

    • jorge

      Obviously because whites are in a better social condition that Amerindians and blacks.

      But in Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Puerto Rico and Uruguay there are many white criminals.

      In fact, in many shanty towns of Argentine cities with much immigration (where are many immigrants into this slums), Argentine teenagers have worst fame of violent and thieves that Bolivians, Paraguayans or Peruvians. And into this three nationalities, who have the best fame of being quiet are Bolivians, who are the most “pure” Amerindians. About black immigrants, are a few, but today there are thousands of Senegalese and some Haitians (almost all are university students), Dominicans and black Brazilians. Some of them where from middle class in their countries (especially Haitians, even some of them where from upper class), or some who come were from working class but are very well educated. The only problem with some of them was with Senegalese because usually here they sell bijouterie in informal street stalls, and now the government of the city of Buenos Aires is prohibiting this kind of commerce (including paddlers), so there were some demonstration of street sellers in this city, and there were many Senegalese. But apart of this, practically there aren’t problem with blacks, in fact many people that don’t like immigrants from neighbor countries, don’t dislike Senegalese or another black immigrants.

      About United States, many Mexican gangsters that I see on TV or internet are whites.

      I’m talking about gangsters like this.

      But you say this (“most part of white Hispanics”) like if weren’t the same with Amerindians or blacks. Do you think that “most part” of Amerindias or blacks commit crimes? Seriously?

      • Another William Playfair Web

        Jorge-
        Buttressing your point, Miami is supposed to be unsafe, because of Cubans (more White), as opposed to More-Amerind Central Americans…Although Cubans are basically the hegemony down there, even in raw population…

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