The Alt Left Position on Race

The movement is already rather split into at least two wings: a much more race-oriented Alt Left (Rabbit’s wing at Altleft.com), and my wing, which is not so race-oriented. The other wing is more or less Left White Separatists, White Nationalists, or if you have it White Supremacists. They are Left on most everything except race. But they talk in a very mild and unoffensive way about race nevertheless.

I am not a White Nationalist, Separatist or Supremacist, and my views on Whites and race are probably not a whole lot different from Ultra Cool’s (check in the comments). I am a race realist, but that is far as my race project goes. We want to help the lower functioning races to improve, and it’s hard to do that well if you hate them. We don’t want to separate from them or anything like that. First of all, separation is not even necessary. Second of all, White Nationalism and White Separatism are ugly concepts deeply steeped in hard racism, and furthermore, there will probably never be a White state. Also I could care less about White genocide.

In addition, I think really people of any race ought to join the Alt Left. The Alt Left is not a movement for Whites, although we are opposed to the White-hatred of the Cultural Left. Anyone of any race who opposes the PC and Cultural Left craziness about race, who does not hate Whites, who subscribes to some form of race realism and wishes to talk about race in a frank but kind way and who rejects the hard racism of the real racists of all races should be able to sign on.

The recent comments of Phil, S.D., Ultra Cool in Brazil and Jose in Argentina are examples of the sort of frank but sensitive, realistic and mostly more or less nonracist discussions of race that ought to be an essential part of the Alt Left. Read their recent comments to see what sort of talk about race should be normal on the Alt Left.

If you are of any race and hate Whites or you support the Cultural Left/PC views of race, those should be dealbreakers for the Alt Left. You are a part of the Cultural Left, and Cultural Left types should be disallowed from the Alt Left.

In terms of racial pride, I think all races and peoples should support their own kind. Blacks should support Blacks, and Whites should support Whites. Ethnic groups ought to support their own kind. The notion that everyone should support their own people really ought to be an uncontroversial one. Everyone should be proud of their race or ethnic group if they wish to feel that way, and this pride should not be seen as racism or hate.

Anyway, the alternative is self-hatred, and I do not think any race should be encouraged to be self-haters. I would even argue that Aborgines ought to find something to be proud about. There is something disgusting about a man who hates his race, tribe, kin and probably ultimately himself. Self-hatred is neurosis in any race including Whites. There is no reason to encourage any group to be self-haters.

Once we recognize that all or most all peoples should feel proud of themselves and their kind, it is more difficult to hate. If you think that Blacks should wake up in the morning, look up and say, “Thank God for making me Black!” then it’s hard to hate Black people. Once we acknowledge that all peoples are entitled to self-pride and self-love, a sort of warmth comes over the race issue, and it becomes harder to hate other races and ethnic groups.

I suppose we should allow White racists to join, as after all, Rabbit is one de facto. On the other hand though, my Alt Left would allow White racists in while not approving of their position and discouraging them from overt displays of White racism.

Whites ought to be able to talk about race realistically and scientifically in a calm and dispassionate tone without descending into the emotionality of racism. The fact that most folks cannot talk about race without getting angry and emotional in either a racist or antiracist censorious, hysterical, paranoid and condemning tone does not mean it can be done. We don’t have to turn into emotional animals just because we are talking race. An honorable person ought to be able to talk frankly about race without descending into ugly racism and hate.

On the other hand, discussions about race ought to be open and frank and free from the screaming, yelling and name-calling debate shutdown tactics used by the Cultural Left. Yelling racist every minute and targeting mostly innocent nonracist people with false slurs is not honorable behavior. I would argue that it is about as low as Stromfront-type racism. Antiracism should not be an hysterical hate movement, but that’s what it has become. This is shameful and is a perversion of what MLK, late Malcolm X and even the Panthers believed. All were as opposed to Black racism as White racism. If the racism of Whites is disgusting, then so is the racism of Blacks. No one gets a pass on this ugly behavior.

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40 responses to “The Alt Left Position on Race

  1. Jason Y

    The problem lies in the fact that racists always degenerate to dirty and hurtful talk. It always happens. That’s why thier free speech is banned by most leftists. It’s not about a Jewish conspiracy, but rather just an observation of the true vulgar and cruel nature of racists.

    • EPGAH

      Except that it isn’t. Look at Farrakhan calling for “brave” savages to stalk and murder whites. No one banned his speech.

      The Left still won’t ban any speech against whites.

  2. Jason Y

    In terms of racial pride, I think all races and peoples should support their own kind. Blacks should support Blacks, and Whites should support Whites. Ethnic groups ought to support their own kind. The notion that everyone should support their own people really ought to be an uncontroversial one. Everyone should be proud of their race or ethnic group if they wish to feel that way, and this pride should not be seen as racism or hate.

    But when does it stop? It seems to expand to the point where people are calling mixed raced people ugly and are supporting laws to ban inter-racial marriage.

    OK, a good way to see thing is saying, “Pure races are beautiful, mixed races are beautiful”, and at the point let everyone just get a long peacefully.

  3. Horatio

    I take the view that other races should be respected. I don’t have issues with diversity on this planet, and I would prefer to leave others alone, rather than colonised or subjugated.

    I also agree that white self hatred is sick. It really is a sickness.

    But I’m also of the opinion that nations have a right to limit immigration to protect their ethnic and racial heritage, and it is probably in their interest to do so. Open borders and mass immigration is destructive, and I think Whites being subject to this have a right to protest against it, and stop it, for our own posterity, just as we should grant, and respect, other nations right to do the same, if they so wish.

    • Jason Y

      I think you confuse white self hatred with compassion for other races. It is possible to be proud of being white, but also have pity for other races and their problems in society, history etc..

      • Anglo-Saxon Maverick

        That’s “white guilt”. I am of course white, but I would be suspicious of any historically knowledgeable white who does not have “white guilt” with few exceptions by definition.

        • EPGAH

          What exactly do we have to feel guilty about?
          I realize the negative aspects of colonization are always brought up–but surprisingly they’re brought up on the Internet, which is proof that we upgraded the savages’ “Standard of Living”–which is why they invade the Civilized World, right?

          If you’re “historically knowledgeable”, then you should know we brought order, we stopped the savages from massacring each other, we ended cannibalism, and once we decided slavery was bad, we tried to stop that too. Has any other group done the same?

        • EPGAH

          Also, White Guilt is VICIOUSLY exploited by savages, using our past perceived misdeeds as leverage to allow them to get away with rape&murder in the now time.

          Therefore, White Guilt is not only stupid, but counterproductive.
          Unless, of course, you believe that the women DESERVE to be raped by savages to somehow pay for keeping the savages as slaves?

          If so, what do WE do to get repayment for savages keeping us as slaves for 700 years in our own country?

      • EPGAH

        Compassion is one thing, letting them get away with rape and murder is quite another, and why should we let in more misbehaving savages?
        They fucked up their country, do we “owe” it to them somehow to make their “problems in history” into OUR “problems in society”?

  4. Jason Y

    Rape seems to be a huge thing against blacks, and it’s hard to see it as being at the same percentage in all races. That obviously stirs up people and creates more racists unfortunately.

    • Jason Y

      For instance on campuses it happens a lot, even just right out kidnapping. I suppose I can see the POV of blacks though. White women being so snobby and they’re being sexually deprived cause so many white girls won’t date them. It’s sort of the same issue with incels.

      Ironcially though, WNs are hypocrites in that they defend violent white incels, but not sexually starved (at least of white women) blacks.

      • Gay State Girl

        Black men are prized in the NE. Maybe it’s different where you live.

      • Tulio

        Huh? Where do you get this idea that black men are sexually starved? Blacks become sexually active I believe younger than other groups and probably have more lifetime partners on average, I’m guessing. I didn’t know too many late age black virgins.

        • Anglo-Saxon Maverick

          This was part of Phillipe Rushton’s theory. His mall survey found that blacks were more sexual active than Whites, who were more so than Asians, even in such a small sample size, so it’s pretty consistent.

        • Jason Y

          Yeah but do they get to date young thin (what society “normies etc..” consider attractive) white girls, as opposed to BBWs or desperate MILFs or mature women?

          Note also so many attractive white girls are indocrinated in the worst redneck racism imaginable to keep them away from black guys.

        • EPGAH

          Because the Black-On-White rape is “Over 9000”–both literally and figuratively–while the White-On-Black rape is essentially nonexistent?

          That would be a good argument for Blacks being “sexually starved”–although that’s usually used as excuse rather than indictment, “They Can’t Help It, Because They’re Sexually Starved”™
          But white incels can control themselves? Double Standards!

          Also look at Jason’s anecdote about an attempted setup rape (Shows Premeditation) in TN.
          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/04/21/my-alt-left-position-on-race/#comment-257816

      • EPGAH

        OK, then why aren’t there more violent white incels as opposed to the massive numbers of Black criminals?

        A FEW snapping from too much control, you can defend, but when it seems to be the RULE rather than the EXCEPTION, then it’s a pathology of that group, right?

        I want to see hwo you can twist this.

    • EPGAH

      Because it ISN’T the same percentage! Blacks rape anywhere from 5X to 8X MORE, depending whose stats you want to use.

      Is it really “racism” to defend yourself and your group from a demonstrably more violent group?

  5. S.D.

    Black-on-white and white-on-black rape, seems to be a crime of opportunism and racism in the former and an act of sheer hatred and humiliation in the latter.

    When we read that a detestable white skinhead member paroled from prison has raped an African-American girl we know that he may not have even penetrated her and it was an act of sheer sexual savage violence. It is rare but it does happen and usual vile prolonged humiliation is an aspect. It is clearly an act of hate.

    African-American sexual assaults appear perpetrated both by lust and a lack of regard for the feelings of the female victim, brought on by opportunity. Often times the assailant is indifferent to the woman or to whites.

    GAY STATE GIRL might agree that Jewish men have high sex drives but manage to channel sex industry work as porn stars or performers in live sex shows where their “powers of recovery” and “staying power” are quite legendary. On the seamier side, some do get involved in human trafficking in Russia or Israel. For the most part however, they do not commit street rapes.

    • Jason Y

      I’m quite sure the rape that recently happened in a college campus in TN, well I’m not sure if you’d call it a rape, was an act of hate rather than a sexual escapade.

      Basically, these two black guys lured a young woman on campus into thier vehicle, took her to an apartment and then started taking her clothes off. However, she kicked one of them and got away.

      So, again it seems like blacks are into this stuff quite a bit, more so than whites. Is the motivation cause they’re horny?

  6. S.D.

    Black-on-white crime is mostly opportunism and lack of remorse while white-on-black crime is a rare vile hate crime with no real arousal motive.

    Jewish men have high sex drives but seem to channel their “staying power” as sex performers in porn or live shows. Rape is excessively rare.

    • Jason Y

      So what complex Philppe Rushton theory do you have to explain the above post?

    • Anglo-Saxon Maverick

      I don’t. He’s a thuggish white, they exist, too, alongside peaceful and intelligent blacks.

      Apparently Hispanics are the pedophiles but there mongoloids, so I don’t know, why don’t you ask Dan Coulterguiste?
      Whites still commit a decent amount of crime, more than mongolids, apparently Whether the ex-Neo-Con fuckwits on AmRen acknoweldge it or not.

      Jason, I despise the absolutist fuckwits as much as you do. I got banned from American Renaissance for questioning Trump, you can’t say anything involving him that is neutral or negative, anymore.

      When given the choice between a third world hell-hole and a post-apoptotic nuclear wasteland, I’ll take the former

      • EPGAH

        Whites commit a “decent” amount of crime, noone has ever said otherwise, BUT the other groups commit 5X MORE–or worse!
        https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/why-race-is-important/
        This is what you are in denial of.

        Why do you think white countries are safer? Isn’t that why the savages keep invading our countries? They HAVE a Third World Hell they made exactly the way they want. They see our country is richer, shinier, SAFER, so they invade us!

        As to a post-apoptotic nuclear wasteland, what do you think will cause that? Maybe savages–sorry, “People With High Testosterone, Low Impulse Control, AND None Of The Overhead Of Developing Their Own Tech” getting ahold of tech way over their pay-grade and deciding to use it because they don’t care if they die as long as they can hurt their betters?

    • Jason, no one said ALL of it was Blacks did, it’s just that their rate crime committing is disproportionate.

  7. S.D.

    MAVERICK AND JASON Whites serial sexual rapists are usually IQ 120-130 intelligent (Bundy, Camden Ripper) who do not get caught for years and years, tragically, until countless lives have been lost.

    They have a particular type of victim and are as organized as S.A.S.

    Other groups simply have their windshield fogged by drugs and drink and do not have the $30 for a hooker and additional $40 for a room so they leap out of a bush. Any old body cavity will make do and sometimes the victim is an elderly woman.

    They get caught much more often.

    Whites also commit crimes like this in rural areas i.e. TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE where it is easier to conceal such crimes. Not so in the city.

    Asian men seem to have weird and perverse fetishes. Sometimes they are obsessed with blonde European women and maybe want to do weird things to them.

    Being employed the fly to Amsterdam Red Light Districts or Belarus and pay to make a blonde woman defecate on an ironing board or endure Bukkake. $1000 for the subjection of such indecencies is not a great deal.

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  9. S.D.

    The white serial sexual rapist is usually intelligent (Manson, Bundy, UK Camden Ripper) and does it 50 times before he is caught. Every aspect of his crime is planned like a military operation (B.T.K.) and so he does it for 30 years and terrible numbers of people suffer.

    In point of fact he is THE WORSE sex criminal.

    The black man has not planned the crime. An erection, a bottle, a line of coke, a crime.

    Jesus has not planned to molest his daughter’s friend either. He’s been drinking some tequila and it happens on the spur of the moment.

    Japanese men poor into Europe’s Red Light Districts every day. Their only intention is to subject the blonde women for whom they have fetishes to the absolute worst indecencies of gang bangs, bukkake or who knows what else.

    He has a job and will pay for it. A great deal of money.

    Most likely he will not attempt to rape the blonde woman who is his height and heavier.

    White prostitutes find Asian men ideal customers. Situation works ideally.

    • Jason Y

      Latin men act so macho, yet some of them are little sissies that molest kids. Seems to be extremes within one group, but nobody in the middle.

      • Gay State Girl

        The lowest rungs tend to be the most patriotic too!

        • Jason Y

          What do you mean?

        • EPGAH

          Humberto Leal Garcia, depraved child-molester and murderer.
          Its last words weren’t
          “I’m Sorry”
          Or even “I Did It And I’m Glad”.

          Its last words were “Viva Mexico”. I think that’s what she means by the rapists being the most “patriotic”. Of course, if they were truly “patriotic”, they’d stay in Mexico and be their problem instead of ours, right?

  10. Kareem

    Is still worth supporting your kind when a very large percentage are stupid and or ignorant/delusional?

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  12. “In addition, I think really people of any race ought to join the Alt Left. The Alt Left is not a movement for Whites, although we are opposed to the White-hatred of the Cultural Left. Anyone of any race who opposes the PC and Cultural Left craziness about race, who does not hate Whites, who subscribes to some form of race realism and wishes to talk about race in a frank but kind way and who rejects the hard racism of the real racists of all races should be able to sign on.”

    Applying Hume’s guillotine, we see that this is all very nice sounding, potentially even agreeable that this is how things ought to be — but not the case in the real world in which we all live, this simply is just not how things are.

    This entire project is, in its essence, a very “White” thing. You may find a few token POC here and there willing to join, but by and large it is only Whites who even stop to think to include people outside of their ethnicity in their very White activities.

    From here it requires very little nuance or thought to then simply conclude that there really is no point in continuing to beat our heads against the wall here. Speaking about historically knowledgeable Whites, taken from another perspective, can you say that Colonialists thought of themselves as Pure Evil? That they sincerely intended to enter non-White lands (back before White was even a ‘thing’) and to subjugate simply out of the malice in their hearts? No, they more likely than not came from similar views of “we must help these people” albeit with much more Christianity sprinkled on top.

    I would argue that, assuming you’re atheistic, you’re at least still clinging to a form of cultural Christianity here. My point is simply that this has all been tried before, and we are going to continue to keep failing. It is less bloodthirsty and less harmful to simply admit that Whites really are different from the other races, and we deserve to exist peacefully alongside the other races. Since we don’t — historically or presently — constitute as many numbers as the other races, we must be very careful about tending to our own gardens, our own White nations.

    • I am a Christian. What do you mean alongside other races? You mean in our own separate White communities?

    • “Speaking about historically knowledgeable Whites, taken from another perspective, can you say that Colonialists thought of themselves as Pure Evil? That they sincerely intended to enter non-White lands (back before White was even a ‘thing’) and to subjugate simply out of the malice in their hearts? No, they more likely than not came from similar views of “we must help these people” albeit with much more Christianity sprinkled on top.”

      …..? You do know that missionaries were only one entity of colonialism? Granted I don’t think they were evil, but the powers were likely more interested in resources rather than helping them. One the most part it was either that or suppressing the slave trade on one half being motivated by morale/ simply for legal reasons due to that not abiding by their law in trade.

      “Applying Hume’s guillotine, we see that this is all very nice sounding, potentially even agreeable that this is how things ought to be — but not the case in the real world in which we all live, this simply is just not how things are.

      This entire project is, in its essence, a very “White” thing. You may find a few token POC here and there willing to join, but by and large it is only Whites who even stop to think to include people outside of their ethnicity in their very White activities.”

      Robert has already written about this and accepts it. The point is that this political division simply has interests in race realism but not ethnic-centric politics. He’s not TRYING to make the group diverse, he’s just giving an opportunity.

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