Is the Alternative Left Degenerating into Everything Bad about the Alt Right?

Sarah writes:

If you simply want to be economically Leftist and socially moderate, then the answer is Communitarianism.

The current Alt-Left is quickly becoming the Alt-Right with all manner of white supremacy, conspiracy theories, antisemitism. If that isn’t your thing, you probably won’t be happy there for long. Also except for agreeing to hate the New Left and Identity Politics, neither side has a coherent set of positions that don’t contradict each other.

All the extreme Identity Politics, with the White hatred, calls for White genocide, and self-hating White people, is a product of the uniquely race-obsessed American academia. It has had some success in spreading its ideas to  academics in other countries and outside of academia in America, but just as quickly is drawing criticism from sensible people of all races.

The worst damage though is how successful it has been in convincing people both within the Left and outside the Left that there is a widespread conspiracy in favor of European genocide and causing them to move to extreme positions of racial identity in return. The new shared Alt-Left/Alt-Right mantra is, “Until we are safe, race is all”. A sensible method of survival in the face of an actual race-war conspiracy, but an excellent shortcut to a totalitarianism otherwise.

I suppose it all boils down to that. Do you believe there is a real, potentially successful conspiracy against Whites or not?

I cannot stand the American communitarians. Are they the folks led by Etzioni? They are barely even Democratic Party liberals. They seem like more of this Third Way between the Democrats and the Republicans insanity. Why is it a Third Way? Because the Democratic Party is “too leftwing!” Don’t make me laugh.

The current Alt-Left is quickly becoming the Alt-Right with all manner of white supremacy, conspiracy theories, antisemitism. If that isn’t your thing, you probably won’t be happy there for long.

What Alt Left? The Alt Left barely even exists. The Alt Left is like me and maybe three other blogs, and that’s it.

There is an Alt Left list on Reddit but they are way more Cultural Left than I am, and they are pretty antiracist too. They are sort of a Hard Left Zizek. There is the Leftypol list on 8chan which calls itself Leftist Politically Incorrect, but they are far to the Left of my Alt Left. They are very antiracist and even pro-gay. Plus they have officially come out and called the Alt Left, including this site, just another version of the Alt Right. You are welcome to go post on leftypol, but let me warn you that if you mention this site, they will bash you because they already said that they hate me and consider me to be “the Alt Right with leftwing economics.” They are also very far to the Left – they are basically Communists.

There is also the 3rd Positionist list on the same chan that calls itself “The Alternative Left.” The 3rd Positionists have been accused of being fascists. The good example of a 3rd Positionist group would be the National Bolsheviks or Nazbols led by Eduard Limonov in Russia. More or less Commie nationalists or National Communists.

I do not mind Natcoms at all, but they are in rather short supply. Some of the East European Communist countries have been accused of having Natcoms governments. The 3rd Positionist list has spoken highly of this site, but some on there dislike some essential elements of the Alt Left such as being pro- White, saying that there is no such nationality called “White.” They would be more for national identity at a national level. They have called this site somewhere in between the leftypol and the Third Positionist list, with me being closer to the Third Positionists on some points. This is probably correct. I am indeed probably to the right of Leftypol and to the left of Third Positionist. Even the sound of the word “fascist” makes me want to run and hide under the bed.

So where do people get this idea that the Alt Left is degenerating into “White Supremacy, conspiracy theory and anti-Semitism?” I certainly hope that this part of the Alt Left is not degenerating into something like that. That’s not where I want to take this movement.

All the extreme Identity Politics, with the white hatred, calls for white genocide, and self-hating white people, is a product of the uniquely race-obsessed American academia. It has had some success in spreading its ideas to  academics in other countries and outside of academia in America, but just as quickly is drawing criticism from sensible people of all races.

This is a superb summary of the anti-White nature of all IdPol movements at this point, along with a great description of its genesis, spread and emergent effects.

The current Alt-Left is quickly becoming the Alt-Right with all manner of white supremacy, conspiracy theories, antisemitism. If that isn’t your thing, you probably won’t be happy there for long. Also except for agreeing to hate the New Left and identity politics, neither side has a coherent set of positions that don’t contradict each other.

This is absolutely correct. Except for hatred of the Cultural Left and IdPol, the Alt Right and the Alt Left have absolutely noting in common, and sadly, we are actually enemies on many issues. The Left-Right divide in current US society is just too strong. Robert Stark’s recent interview with Keith Preston points this out very well. It would not be an extreme statement to say that the Alt Left (at least my wing) and the Alt Right, in their current formations, basically hate each other. It makes me sad to say that, but it’s still true, I have to admit.

The worst damage though is how successful it has been in convincing people both within the Left and outside the Left that there is a widespread conspiracy in favor of European genocide and causing them to move to extreme positions of racial identity in return. The new shared Alt-Left/Alt-Right mantra is, “Until we are safe, race is all”.

Once again, this is a superb summary of the genesis of both the Alt Right and the Alt Left, both of which frankly stem from the excesses of IdPol. IdPol has now gotten so extreme and crazy that even folks on the Left like me who have been supporters of the Cultural Left most of their lives are starting to abandon it. It is also an excellent summary of an/the essential component of the both the Alt Right and Alt Left at this moment, which is positive White racial identity.

A sensible method of survival in the face of an actual race-war conspiracy, but an excellent shortcut to a totalitarianism otherwise.

I suppose it all boils down to that. Do you believe there is a real, potentially successful conspiracy against whites, or not?

This is also brilliant and correct. Of course “Until we are safe, race is all” is a great mantra in the case of any actual conspiracy to wipe out any group, whether race, nationality, ethnic group or religion. On the other hand though, if there is no actual conspiracy to wipe out Whites then this mantra is just, in my opinion, silly or even stupid. It’s not evil as most would say it is. I just think that “Until we are safe, race is all” at this point in time is stupid. What’s the point? Why bother with a new White Identity Politics? It’s just another form of Idpol after all, with all of the baggage that goes along with all of the rest of Idpol. White Idpol is still Idpol. Let’s not kid ourselves here.

I suppose it all boils down to that. Do you believe there is a real, potentially successful conspiracy against whites, or not?

There is no real, potentially successful conspiracy against Whites in the West at the moment, but there is one in South Africa, that’s for sure. Whites are definitely under attack in South Africa. That’s just an indisputable fact.

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211 responses to “Is the Alternative Left Degenerating into Everything Bad about the Alt Right?

  1. Santoculto

    Most people who appeal for ”anti-semitism”, ”conspiracy theory” and ”white supremacism” tards are zombies, they shouldn’t have even a single paragraph. Explain for them what they don’t want understand is a absolute waste of time.

    What make me very angry about this FAKKKE humanitarians is that they are extremely hypocrite and dumb!!!!! all about them is pretend to be morally superior and never act like that. They just repeat what system teach for them. There are serious cognitive problems about them, real world cognitive problems.

    They are stupid distractions, that’s problem. people give enormous attention for him, just leave them in their bubble of pseudo-something (self important) and focus about what really matter.

    I’m really anti-injustice in the same way that a bad singer IS NOT a real singer. talent is talent.

    A bad humanitarian thinker is not a humanitarian thinker itself, even the logical basis they have.

    ”good” intentions we already know…

  2. Jason Y

    Again, playing the devil advocate, what kind of white morons would settle in South Africa, much less stay there? I know why. It’s the motive in all imperalism, the whites want money (diamonds etc..).

    Whites are under attack in South Africa. Really? Are they not asking for it?

    • Optimus Prime

      What is this Jason? Applying the same logic just because whites belong to Europe originally, should they vacate the US and go back to Europe?

    • Jason, the Whites in South Africa had remained their for GENERATIONS.

      Also, South Africa, for black and whites, was land UP FOR GRABS aside from some Hunter gathers and pastrolists that migrated.

      THAT LAND was theirs, so it was basically ALWAYS their country.
      And to make matters worst, the whites in South Africa now are the DESCENDANTS, not the original. The are entitled to their nationality.

    • Also, while you could argue that they expanded since the original colony, what did you think Black were doing outside the colony too?

      Cattle raids, destruction of others villages, even stealing Boer property.

    • rafaelborjas

      “Again, playing the devil advocate, what kind of white morons would settle in South Africa, much less stay there?”

      I assume you mean post-Apartheid.

      It’s still a highly developed, English speaking place, they could assume that whites will come back to power. Also, if they are mixed race (depending on your definition of white), they are not treated as ‘browns’ because there are so many blacks.

      A lot of Chinese are going to Nigeria, at least according to stormfront, in Lagos (which seems to actually be a half-decent place). I’d bet they didn’t give up citizenship to China, however. So…..

    • EPGAH

      They didn’t exactly have a choice. They were chased out of Holland and France by religious persecution. They settled in an area so desolate that even savages didn’t want to live there. They had abandoned it for 400 years.

      How/Why do you think the Whites are “asking for it”? By building a better country that savages want to live in, then overthrow with violence? If that’s your standard, what White country is safe?

      Or do you believe that Whites are only supposed to set up countries so savages can move in, kill off the Whites and fuck up the countries? If so, how is that sustainable?

      • rafaelborjas

        EPGAH… um hate to burst your bubble there, but uh, there were blacks living in the region that the Whites settled, blacks didn’t migrate to the white land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa

        Excerpt:

        “The British annexed the Cape Colony in 1806, and continued the frontier wars against the Xhosa; the British pushed the eastern frontier through a line of forts established along the Fish River and they consolidated the territory by encouraging British settlement. During the 1820s both the Boers (original Dutch, Flemish, German, and French settlers) and the British 1820 Settlers claimed land in the north and east of the country. Conflicts arose among the Xhosa, Zulu, Sotho and Boer groups who competed to expand their territories.”

      • rafaelborjas

        EPGAH- um, I think that the area did have some inhabitants (or at least the Dutch expanded into inhabited areas)
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa

        • EPGAH

          As you said, it was competing to expand territory. But as I understand it, the majority of the savage invaders were “refugees” from Shaka Zulu’s genocidal “knocking”.

          If you want to say the Whites expanded into savage lands, that’s great but they didn’t have to stay, right? It’s something like the argument Mexicans have that “The Border Crossed Us”–yes, but they had plenty of time to LEAVE, and didn’t…Possibly because they LIKE having drinkable water, stable electricity, you know, all the benefits of civilization?

        • rafaelborjas

          “It was competing to expand territory”.

          It was a one way street; the Dutch settlers expanded into Xhosa lands. Please feel free to try again.

        • Tulio

          Epgah, ALL of Sub-Saharan Africa is Black land.

        • Tulio:

          Cap white, black and all of the other great races. They are great races, so they deserve to be capped, no? Even Blacks are a great race and hence deserve to be capped.

          Also Sub-Saharan gets capped. Proper noun.

        • rafaelborjas

          It’s an interesting issue. I think by definition the anti-“White genocide” types believe that Blacks should have their own area (perhaps most of Sub-Saharan Africa, if not all). They says “African countries for Blacks, Asian countries for Asians, and I would assume Latin American countries for Amerinds?” (I guess they want to allow the few Amerinds in the U.S. to stay).

          However, they believe it is for the good of Blacks that Whites govern them, and of course the same with Latin America. So I don’t know. Apparently EPGAH ironically frequents the creation of neoconservative legend Andrew Breitbart – Breitbart.com, so I’m not sure exactly what his ideology is.

        • EPGAH

          How can ALL of Sub-Saharan Africa be Black Land, when there were no Blacks to claim the area where the whites first settled? And when they attacked their betters, don’t they deserve to lose some land as a kind of “fine”?

          If you believe Africa is Black Land, then shouldn’t Europe be White Land, and the savages invading from “Syria” need to get the expletive of your choice out and CERTAINLY not rape the hosts who once again took them in when their fellow savages would’ve killed them!


          Just like in South Africa. Should’ve told the savages fleeing Shaka that “That’s YOUR problem, kindly not make it ours!”, right?

        • Tulio

          “How can ALL of Sub-Saharan Africa be Black Land, when there were no Blacks to claim the area where the whites first settled? And when they attacked their betters, don’t they deserve to lose some land as a kind of “fine”?”

          Why do you think whites belong in black Africa? Africa is the black continent.

          “If you believe Africa is Black Land, then shouldn’t Europe be White Land, and the savages invading from “Syria” need to get the expletive of your choice out and CERTAINLY not rape the hosts who once again took them in when their fellow savages would’ve killed them!”

          Take it up with the Syrians. It’s not my continent, not my problem. I have no issues with Europeans defending Europe. But it isn’t my issue to worry about.

        • To Tulio

          “Why do you think whites belong in black Africa? Africa is the black continent.”

          Well technically speaking, Only Western Africa and Nilotic areas were really “Black”. The North was Berber, the sahel being intermediate, and Southern African Belonging the Khoi-San

          Whites technically found the land that was their colony which the hunter-gatherers had no really claims to (they were rather mobile) while blacks from the North invaded.

          So, from a Black and White view, at least a significant portion of South Africa was land up for grabs with both groups being settlers. (And while Xhosa were brought up, the Boers also suffered by Bantu raids such as by the Basotho). The rest of the land and property was also being intruded by warring Bantus among aeachother, and while they were the same race it wouldn;t look that way to them at that point and time.

          Also, while based on your claim that Whites use substance abuse more often, doesn;t that tell you something if that’s the case Blacks still commit more crime.

          While I swore you said that you believed in HBD (of course, in nonaggressive discussion) both this and you cling to white privilege make me have reservations.

          While I did believe in different perceptions, that pretty much by nature and especially towards other groups. PC stuff, while of course morphing those that are less perceptive, likely won’t have the same effect towards people who are otherwise thus the views linger.

          You can label this “White Privilege” somewhat fittingly due to the advantages of these perceptions have, but in the sense that it an be stopped (unless if you can provide a solution consistent with natural extra-group perception then by all means share) by the conventional understanding (which you said was corrupted from what you believe is it’s real traits) that would leave combating it fruitless.

          If your point was just to prove it’s existence and nothing more, on the other hand, then we have no quarrel.

        • Tulio

          @Phil

          One can believe HBD is true and still believe that there is white privilege. While one tends to be a view of the right and one of the left, I don’t think they are mutually exclusive. Both can simultaneously true. I’m convinced that IQ scores we see are mostly hereditary and that they aren’t equal across all groups, at least not at present time. I also believe that there is very much a privilege to being white that is largely invisible to white people but very visible if you are a minority. I was reading an interesting article by an American of Middle Eastern ancestry that was talking about the way Middle Eastern people have had trouble classifying themselves on the census. Traditionally, they were required to check the “white” box because they are Caucasians. But he said that checking that box for white doesn’t sit well with him because part of the privilege of being considered “white” in America is never having to be seen as foreign. As a Middle Easterner, even if raised in America, he is always seen as a foreigner. An outsider.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/16/white-privilege-explained/

        • Tulio,

          On the most part that Article seems plausible, but again that just goes towards natural perception towards different people. Of course, various factors (such as outbreeding) makes people less perceptive of this and they typically don’t.

          And, to be honest, I often find myself near white adults in stores and even though I don’t know for sure that they are definitely “monitoring me”, I’m a particularly paranoid person so I know my mind just “imagines” their outlook towards me naturally.

          However, while it existence in the context of this article is plausible, it’s not unusual since it’s simply a very common “instinct” people have. Now, I believe the severity of it’s consequences should be challenged as far as the law goes, but altering it fueling from the people would be another task unless you have a practical solutions towards the perceptive. Also, I believe some of that White Privilege could be in part due to HBD related matters.

          http://spawktalk.blogspot.com/2015/01/racism-in-america-closer-look-at-numbers.html

        • Tulio

          @Phil

          I took a look at your link. I think that author is really stretching. For example, he sites that work discrimination may be justified by saying equal credentials between a black and white candidate don’t mean they are truly equal and then points to a quantitative literacy study from 1992. Of course that study only looks how degree level, it doesn’t tell sort by degree type. So they are likely comparing white people with harder 4 year degrees to black people who may have less hard 4 year degrees. If we’re sending resumes to an employer, I’m assuming they are for a job that demands similar background education/focus of study and experience. Besides, does anyone really think the average employer is examining 30 year old studies about quantitative literacy between black and whites? Occam’s razor says to me that the main reason is that they would throw out Jamal Jenkin’s resume while scheduling an interview with Bobby Heidelberg has already been discovered by Harvard’s Implicit Association test: http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/08/04/416827667/so-you-flunked-a-racism-test-now-what

        • Tulio,

          While I do agree that making such an assumption could put a talented black at risk, college Affirmative action actually does create a rather significant IQ gap between black and white graduates.

          https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/08/07/the-iq-of-dr-ben-carson/comment-page-1/

          See the race section of the article.

        • However, I think this can be remedied if class rank is mentioned.

          The reason behind this being that now standards have dropped for those to a get a certain degree in a class (at least for minorities as far as I know), however if the resume INCLUDES what rank they held in their class that could eliminate some presumptions.

        • EPGAH

          Tulio: You wanted an easier way for minorities, you got it!
          The consequence is, those who took Easy Mode, or even the fact that said Easy Mode is AVAILABLE for them, will be ignored.

          However, there are BEHAVIORAL reasons Jamal’s resume might be ignored. Namely, a “Black” name indicates the parents were militant Blacks and probably steeped the child in that bullshit too, which would lead to insubordination and frivolous lawsuits.

          http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/05/17/7_of_the_most_ridiculous_cries_of_racism_ever_made/page/full

          Here’s 7 examples, each one dumber than the last!

          Even NASA is not immune!

          https://spinatlanticdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/nasa-facing-lawsuit-from-naacp-claiming-black-hole-is-racist/

        • Tulio

          @Phil

          Taken from the link you gave:

          Whites with a bachelors degree: IQ 111
          Blacks with a bachelor degree: IQ 96

          Whites with a masters degree: IQ 114
          Blacks with a masters degree: IQ 99

          Whites with a PhD or professional degree: IQ 123
          Blacks with a PhD or professional degree: IQ 110

          Once again, this is meaningless unless we are comparing similar fields of study to similar fields of study. For all I know we may be comparing whites that disproportionately graduated in STEM to blacks that disproportionately graduated in humanities(which could be accomplished with a lower IQ). What I would like to see is the IQ of blacks who graduated from school X with a master’s degree in engineering and compare it the IQs of whites from the same school with the same degree in engineering. While affirmative action may help get you into a school, it won’t graduate you.

          If an employer is reviewing potential employees, who have been sent fabricated resumes with equal credentials, none of the above matters. That is the entire point of giving them equal credentials on paper! To eliminate lack of ability as a factor in the discrimination. So all you are left with is race.

          But anyway, this is only one example of white privilege that I was bringing up. While at the gym today I saw a clip from a hockey game and it showed some guys fighting. I then thought about how many times I’ve seen fights in hockey games. It seems like pretty much every hockey game a fight erupts. Then I was thinking could you imagine if this happened at nearly every NBA game what people would be saying? Those black savages beating each other to a bloody pulp over a stupid basketball. But if whites guys do it, it’s never a reflection on their race. Nobody even notices their race. So another facet of white privilege is knowing that no matter how terribly you act, you’ll be seen as a standalone individual and nobody will factor in your race. If a black behaves badly, race is always assumed to be the reason behind that. Because that’s how “they” are. For example, I was watching a clip last year where a white Uber passenger in California started beating his driver. I read the comments. Not one person mentioned the driver’s race. He was just a drunk, out of control asshole and that was it. But when I saw another video of a few black teens beating up an Uber driver, the comment section was like Stormfront. People were calling them niggers, savages, thugs, saying that’s why Zimmerman should kill them all, etc. I see this stuff like this all the time.

        • Jason Y

          quote by Tulio

          While affirmative action may help get you into a school, it won’t graduate you.

          Yeah, that’s what Iv’e been saying. Even in the humanities, schools are not wimpy in the least bit. The professors are tough graders. You might be able to get in because of your race, but you won’t graduate unless you prove yourself.

          They’re just aren’t wannabe engineers, doctors, English professors, history teachers. They don’t exist, contrary to what white nationalists and Republicans widely believe.

        • “Once again, this is meaningless unless we are comparing similar fields of study to similar fields of study. For all I know we may be comparing whites that disproportionately graduated in STEM to blacks that disproportionately graduated in humanities(which could be accomplished with a lower IQ). ”

          While possible, it’s sort of a coincidence that this discrepancy in IQ for degrees is similar to the actually IQ Gap. Also college isn’t a particularly idea place for someone with a 100 IQ alone.

          BTW, this chart includes a variety of subjects, none of them having an IQ requirement below 100

          http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/

          “What I would like to see is the IQ of blacks who graduated from school X with a master’s degree in engineering and compare it the IQs of whites from the same school with the same degree in engineering. While affirmative action may help get you into a school, it won’t graduate you.”
          While that is true, standards HAVE been lowered such as scores for acceptance for minorities, another factor for IQ.

          “If an employer is reviewing potential employees, who have been sent fabricated resumes with equal credentials, none of the above matters. That is the entire point of giving them equal credentials on paper! To eliminate lack of ability as a factor in the discrimination. So all you are left with is race.”
          I never denied this, the point was that the reason why they did was likely that, due to Affirmative Action, they have met people under qualified. And I even admitted this is puts a talented minority at a disadvantage. Regardless, I don’t agree with Affirmative action at least how it is currently structured, thus suggesting that Class rank is included. If it prevails even then, you have a point.

          “But anyway, this is only one example of white privilege that I was bringing up. While at the gym today I saw a clip from a hockey game and it showed some guys fighting. I then thought about how many times I’ve seen fights in hockey games. It seems like pretty much every hockey game a fight erupts. Then I was thinking could you imagine if this happened at nearly every NBA game what people would be saying? Those black savages beating each other to a bloody pulp over a stupid basketball. But if whites guys do it, it’s never a reflection on their race. Nobody even notices their race.”

          Admittedly saddening, the reason being it that crime on the side of whites, while existent, isn’t disproportionate. Another group committing crime isn’t the only reason, but doing it at a rate more often.

          “So another facet of white privilege is knowing that no matter how terribly you act, you’ll be seen as a standalone individual and nobody will factor in your race. If a black behaves badly, race is always assumed to be the reason behind that. Because that’s how “they” are. For example, I was watching a clip last year where a white Uber passenger in California started beating his driver. I read the comments. Not one person mentioned the driver’s race. He was just a drunk, out of control asshole and that was it. But when I saw another video of a few black teens beating up an Uber driver, the comment section was like Stormfront. People were calling them niggers, savages, thugs, saying that’s why Zimmerman should kill them all, etc. I see this stuff like this all the time.”

          I don’t agree with that of course, but as I said before about your previous paragraph, the reason is disproportionate violence.

          While “white privilege” exists, exactly how should it be combatted though?
          The motivation isn’t because of the basic ” hate for the sake of hating”, their are real and serious reasons for that behavior.

          Also, have you heard of White Guilt? Basically the constant bashing of whites for something they did in the past (often modified even) and are blatantly described as evil? So even when you consider that White Privilege exist in a sense, it’s not as if whites are free from some sort of persecution.

          I have a friend named Alex who said how he hated himself for being white, and I told him to stop that because he shouldn’t want to have stigmas behind him as a minority.

        • Tulio

          “While “white privilege” exists, exactly how should it be combatted though?”

          It can only be combated through awareness. And confrontation of one’s own biases. That’s not really something anyone can do to white people. They have to realize it in themselves and want to evaluate patterns of thought that may have never been been aware of it.

          Blacks are hardly innocent either. I’m equally if not more frustrated by black obliviousness and denial of reality than I am with whites. The Ferguson incident made me depressed that so many refused to see what was plainly obvious in their gusto to convict a white cop that shot a black. As is the case with white privilege, nobody can change black people from the outside, it’s a realization that has to come from within.

          “Also, have you heard of White Guilt? Basically the constant bashing of whites for something they did in the past (often modified even) and are blatantly described as evil? So even when you consider that White Privilege exist in a sense, it’s not as if whites are free from some sort of persecution.”

          Yes. I think all this stuff is nonsense. Whites haven’t done anything that any other race hadn’t done. Maybe whites took it to greater extremes due to more advanced ships and weaponry, but the human soul has the same flaws in every corner of the planet. Multicultural education at first was actually noble. In the not so distant past, history was told entirely from the white perspective. Whites “discovered” America, had Thanksgiving dinner with a bunch of noble savages and the rest is history. Slavery was a footnote. White guilt was an inevitable result of teaching history from 2 additional points of view, the black and the Native American. I never learned that George Washington was a slave owner until well into high school. I also learned that Andrew Jackson said “the only good Indian is a dead Indian.” Understandably feelings of guilt will come about amongst any white person with a social conscious when it dawns on him that many people had to die in order for him to live here. That said, history is more complex than that and nearly every society on earth has a checkered past. There’s also a lot of good here as well. So I see no reason for excessive guilt about matters one never played a part in. It is good however for whites to know that by default history has always been taught from their perspective and to realize that some view it from other perspectives and it’s important to know those angles as well. You’ll better be able to fit the pieces together and see things for what they are beyond the mythology that every country has behind its founding.

          “I have a friend named Alex who said how he hated himself for being white, and I told him to stop that because he shouldn’t want to have stigmas behind him as a minority.”

          This is the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction.

        • Jason Y

          quote by Tulio

          Yes. I think all this stuff is nonsense. Whites haven’t done anything that any other race hadn’t done. Maybe whites took it to greater extremes due to more advanced ships and weaponry, but the human soul has the same flaws in every corner of the planet. Multicultural education at first was actually noble.

          The problem with white supremacy, and black, or any other type of supremacy is the assertion that one group is better than the other.

          For instance, when santo-culto says mixed kids are ugly, then he’s asserting a type of mentality which says the European look is superior, and even the African look is better than the mixed look, even though he thinks Africans are inferior garbage.

          Again among commenters like ep-gah and others, you see more incredibly ridiculous and pompous claims that white is better, even when faced with so much evidence to the contrary.

          White guilt was an inevitable result of teaching history from 2 additional points of view, the black and the Native American.

          Right, it’s all not some scheme of the Jews as they claim. As you say, once you see things from a POV outside of Mayberry NC, then your forced to think in another dimension. Since nobody ever goes outside their neighborhood, and this goes for any race, you see that most people are just comically ignorant.

        • “So I see no reason for excessive guilt about matters one never played a part in. It is good however for whites to know that by default history has always been taught from their perspective and to realize that some view it from other perspectives and it’s important to know those angles as well. You’ll better be able to fit the pieces together and see things for what they are beyond the mythology that every country has behind its founding.”

          While that’s all good, I also want stressed how assertions are modified. For example, white “enslaving Blacks”. Well, first Blacks enslaved Blacks and sold them to whites Arabs and other Blacks yet, while I don’t really see History books say otherwise, I see so many people White and non-white say it as if it started white whites.

          Now, the Portuguese did raids themselves but they are unrepresentative. Also, while I’m not trying to excuse slavery, Blaming whites also become an issue when one looks at the fate of slaves in the hands of Arab (castrated), other Blacks (name it) and consider that it wasn’t uncommon for white slaver owners to actually treat their slaves decently due to being motivated by Christian pacifism and two, every progressive moment to drive them out of slavery while the other two groups continue to the present without a care.

          Then you get to colonialism. Again, injustices and obstructions without concern for the native were committed however their were cases where missionaries put resources and care where native, like in Africa, didn’t. For example, it was a ritual of the Bechuana people n southern Africa to occasional bury live children and a Missionary couple saved the Baby girl who grew up to be a teacher of Christianized native students, plus one also has to consider that the modern infrastructure of many former colonial states were of colonial origin.

          I’m not opposed to different perspectives even if it puts whites as wrong doers in scenarios, but many people on the side of non-whites do it to the point where not only do hey abuse the guilt of whites but do it while feeling no guilt for things their race are doing (instead many that the route of passing responsibility of actions towards whites again). I’m mean sure, I seen a lot of blacks make youtube videos condemning Baltimore/ Ferguson actions but often they are called Uncle Toms and things of the like and pointing back to the causes being past discrimination and bring up “whites ALWAYS do this”. In addition, while the real intention of Political correctness may not be for the sake of minorities, it’s adoption by whites is often fueled by guilt of not wanting to hurt other feelings or even self hate.

          So, while maybe not coexisting in the same scenario’s, White Guilt or at least mindset of individuals of a minoritiy population that uses White guilt is just as prevalent as what you could call “White Privilege” .

        • Jason Y

          Phil is pointing out Africans can be mean just like whites can. (Note: The example of an African tribe burying a baby alive.) In fact, both groups are equally mean.

          Both the whites and blacks are trying to say the other is more evil, when they’re both evil. In fact, I don’t know any race on Earth that doesn’t have it’s share of evil.

          Note, Phil might be making the mistake of trying to praise whites too much, though obviously making a truthful claim that many blacks are scum.

          As far as tje African Slave trade, and Jim Crow and all that, we saw an attempt by whites to “rub it in” so to speak. In other words, they obviously won the battle and they were the boss, but now they want to rub it in.

          For instance, the whites, as demonstrated by santo-culto’s remark, now want to say blacks are ugly, mixed raced people are ugly, black culture is stupid and inferor etc.. All this crap is why we had the black power movement in the 1960s etc…

        • Jason Y

          Generally speaking the conqueror wants to believe he is superior to the conquered. Hence the whites want to believe they’re better than Africans, Asians etc.. in every possible way, even to the point of saying they (the whites) are more beautiful.

          Also, the majority wants to think they’re superior. Hence a white guy going into a black neighborhood will be looked down on simply cause he’s white and no other reason.

          However, all of this BS as we can’t say something is better simply cause the conqueror or the majority posseses it.

      • “Note, Phil might be making the mistake of trying to praise whites too much, though obviously making a truthful claim that many blacks are scum.

        As far as tje African Slave trade, and Jim Crow and all that, we saw an attempt by whites to “rub it in” so to speak. In other words, they obviously won the battle and they were the boss, but now they want to rub it in.”

        How is it that NOW they want to rub it in? Maybe you can make such an argument in the past but it is true that, relative to the fate of Black slaves in the hands of Arabs and Africans, Black slaves faired better under whites due to progressive actions on behalf of whites that were comparatively absent on behalf of the other groups I’ve mentioned. My point wasn’t to “praised whites” but rather to point out that the historical evidence isn’t consistent with the belief that whites were (at least consistently) the worst in history.

        “For instance, the whites, as demonstrated by santo-culto’s remark, now want to say blacks are ugly, mixed raced people are ugly, black culture is stupid and inferor etc.. All this crap is why we had the black power movement in the 1960s etc”

        ……Which was again supported by whites as well in the past and new laws were passed on behalf of a white government.

        Also, while some whites may say that, are they even the Majority? And no, your ancedotes from Tennessee wont suffice because of the sample size, thus an actual poll/slash study would be required. I mean, you wouldn’t like it to use Ghetto Blacks alone as a representative model for Blacks in the US.

        “Generally speaking the conqueror wants to believe he is superior to the conquered. Hence the whites want to believe they’re better than Africans, Asians etc.. in every possible way, even to the point of saying they (the whites) are more beautiful.

        Also, the majority wants to think they’re superior. Hence a white guy going into a black neighborhood will be looked down on simply cause he’s white and no other reason.

        However, all of this BS as we can’t say something is better simply cause the conqueror or the majority posseses it.”

        Well even if we are not going to argue on genetics being the reason, we can objectively look on output and see who is “bette” in terms of wealth attainment, treatment towards people, etc.

        While some wouldn’t exactly say whites are better as a conclusion, they would agree that certain countries that are doing the best, which are often majority white.

        • Jason Y

          The question is. “When does the white”rubbing it in” stop? OK, no shit. Yeah, white 1st world nations are better than African ones. However, now some racist whites have to also add, again, black and mixed race people are ugly, black culture is stupid. Black people smell. Afros are dumb looking etc…

          As Phil commented a lot of white people and white government have taken the liberal stance and shown an appreciation for all things black. However, we don’t see this among white racists, who often, as commented in another post, have a huge chip on their shoulder due to bad experiences with blacks (and you have to add whites who were in a good environment, but were simply indocrinated in racism.)

        • Jason Y

          Beverly Hills is better than a trailer park. South Korea is better than North Korea. England is better than Nigeria. 😆

          The people that live in these places are quite aware of the fact, and also liberals and those, like Tulio, who will defend black causes.

        • Gay State Girl

          They’re more defensive of Muslims too, even in a largely Orthodox jewish town where I spent my childhood, they go out of their way to make Muslims feel comfortable.

        • Okay, note how you meant from “Whites” to “White racists”. Well “no shit” you wouldn’t see this amongst white racists, a specific demographic that of course wouldn’t value those kinds of Ideas. What I’m talking about is the representative population.

          And let us say that the majority wasn’t what made up abolitionists, civil rights supporters, etc., the population would still have a higher portion of those types compared to that of other groups based on historical evidence.

        • At Gay State Girl,

          Hell, Muslims are practically the “New Black” aside from Homosexuals.

          That reminds me, act my school there is an actual “Gay Club” that discusses (though they are tongue in cheek about it) a satirical set of matters a Gay Club would have as if it was a SNL Skit. You name it, gay news, gay issues with parents, Gay Bible, the list goes on.

          No exactly seeing that becoming trend rapid trend compared to Nigeria.

        • With that said, I don’t hold any real aggression towards Homosexuals outside of the typical arrogance a minority adopts when given leniency.

        • Gay State Girl

          I’m not actually Gay. I’m just from the Gay State (the Bay State.)

          I don’t foresee diverseability/neurodiverse pride movement enjoying the same success as the former two groups.

        • Jason Y

          Okay, note how you meant from “Whites” to “White racists”. Well “no shit” you wouldn’t see this amongst white racists, a specific demographic that of course wouldn’t value those kinds of Ideas. What I’m talking about is the representative population.

          And let us say that the majority wasn’t what made up abolitionists, civil rights supporters, etc., the population would still have a higher portion of those types compared to that of other groups based on historical evidence.

          The white chauvanism disease was once among most white people, but now only white racists have it. At one time, it was just common knowledge that white was better, and if anyone bitched about it, they might comment the US was a white majority nation (even though in the 50s, it was 12 percent black, a sizeable minority).

        • Jason Y

          Some mistake in the last comment. What I meant to say was that most Americans of the 50s were racist, though not all were extreme racists. However, nearly all of them viewed white as better.

          Nowadays, only extreme racist Americans would view white as being better in all circumstances. Outside that circle, the view seems comical and stupid. Even mildly racist Americans would not say white is better in all cases.

        • “I’m not actually Gay. I’m just from the Gay State (the Bay State.)

          I don’t foresee diverseability/neurodiverse pride movement enjoying the same success as the former two groups.”

          I figured you weren’t, it’s just that my last comment on the Gay Club seemed a little aggressive so I wanted to make that Clear. In terms of success I agree with you, currently (especially due to the resurgence on non-political correctness amongst the multitude) Muslims/Gay being regarded in the same respect as past groups are unlikely.

          “The white chauvanism disease was once among most white people, but now only white racists have it. At one time, it was just common knowledge that white was better, and if anyone bitched about it, they might comment the US was a white majority nation (even though in the 50s, it was 12 percent black, a sizeable minority).
          Some mistake in the last comment. What I meant to say was that most Americans of the 50s were racist, though not all were extreme racists. However, nearly all of them viewed white as better.”

          Well, even when they viewed whites as better many still believed in things such as abolition or efforts to uplift Blacks either Culturally or eugenically (not Nazi style, but more as a accelerated form of social evolution Europeans went through). Thus, that Chauvanism for the majority less of natural belief of them and rather what they were taught unlike extreme racists.

          “Nowadays, only extreme racist Americans would view white as being better in all circumstances. Outside that circle, the view seems comical and stupid. Even mildly racist Americans would not say white is better in all cases.”

          This actually proves my point in regards of how far white progressiveness goes compared to other groups, to the point of where it goes from Racism, Chauvinism with empathy, to outright rejection of Social Darwinism due to altruism and civic behavior.

      • Tulio

        @Phil

        Just saw this posted on FB. The whole name and resume issue seems to effect Hispanics as well:

        • Again, I heard of these cases. I don’t even recall saying thee have a negative impact on their own.

          What I do oppose is
          A. the conventional reasoning behind it ( e.i simple racism as oppose to experience that is related to population data)
          B. Non-clear understanding on how to combat it. You said awareness, people understanding their biases. Well, that rather ambiguous in terms of an effective form of counteraction when one puts into consideration that obviously an employer really isn’t going to be thinking that “Gee, this guy needs a job so I shouldn’t be biased” and would likely be thinking “Don’t care, I going to select the best available for the sake of the company and will use any tool available to achieve that goal.”

          Now to be fair, you applied the same strategy to be used for blacks for their imperfection but again, different mindset thus resulting in stagnation.

          C. Addressing of White Privilege that Ignores minority privileges through AA and Political correctness.

          So we Establish that their is a problem, but nothing really concrete to combat it. And while it is depressing, it’s hard to say nothing exist on the white end either that doesn’t stack up.

    • Tulio

      I’ve personally known South Africans. They see S. Africa as their home as much as a white American sees N. America as their home. They consider themselves Africans. They don’t see Europe as home, even if that is where their ancestors came from.

      And who says whites are under attack in S. Africa? I have to think if they were truly living under some brutal repression, you’d be seeing white refugees. Seems many are living the good life to me.

      • EPGAH

        http://www.awsg.us/south-african-farm-murder-photos/

        It’s a great place to live — until the savages decide to chop you up in a way worthy of a B horror flick. Don’t expect any help from the Government, after Whites lost control of their country, they also lost protection of law.

        Why do you think they hire small ARMIES of “Private Security”? Or that the best houses are also fortified better than Fort Knox? A WWII Fetish?

        They actually LIVE Walking Dead. We just watch it once a week, then return to our normal, mostly safe lives.

        • Jason Y

          In reality, you need private security in my all white mountain valley in Appalachia. The place is roaming with pill-heads. Why do we want to single out the black race, when some members of the white one are just as despicable?

          I mean, there’s a reason why people need guns in the Bible Belt, besides for hunting.

        • Jason Y

          The zombie analogy is quite interesting LOL Believe it or not, and the poster Sam refused to believe me, white pill-heads and the like will rob, steal, kill etc.. just like a group of ghetto blacks. If you dont believe me, there are news stories from my hometown.

          So being prejudice is not looking at this thing scientifically. Let’s call bad as bad, no matter what race.

        • Tulio

          Coming from the that stated that he supported Dylan Roof mass murdering a bunch of elderly black people in church.

        • EPGAH

          The first attack by the savages in South Africa was the Church Street Bombing. Why are you upset about Blacks being murdered but you justify savages massacring whites?

        • EPGAH

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Commission_%28South_Africa%29
          Here you go, Tulio. 600 incidents of terrorism the savages OFFICIALLY forgave themselves for, plus a lot more that they just kinda Look The Other Way about.

          Gay State Girl said that the savages stole her mom’s cousin’s passport, and the savage perversion of police did nothing about it.

          And you want to say the ONE incident of Dylan Roof is equivalent to all this? Why aren’t you justifying Dylan Roof because of the “inequality and anger” the savages inflict on Whites?

        • Tulio

          Savages? And what do you call white men who shoot up elementary schools with assault rifles and kill innocent black people in church?

        • EPGAH

          Thugs, what would you like to call them?

          But again, you’re trying to equate an attack on ONE building, with attacks on a whole COUNTRY — and the attacks continued even after the savages won!

          If you can excuse the savages’ constant rapes and butchery of the legit owners of the country, especially with such a pathetic excuse as “inequality and anger” then why can’t you find it in your heart to forgive Dylan Roof? After all, his motive was also “inequality and anger”, right? The numeric inequality of Black-on-White attacks vs. White-on-Black attacks!

      • EPGAH

        On the bright side, South Africa has “only” 45 murders per day (Under-reported?) BUT they have the highest rape rate in the world. The ANC WILL NOT ALLOW the return of law&order. They have disarmed the Whites but not the savages that prey on them.

        I wouldn’t mind taking all we brought and leaving, however. We’ll take the medicine, electricity, automobiles and all infrastructure, and the savages can have the “natural resources”, see how that works out for them, lol. No food, no aid, no modern medicine, nothing we make, just them and the diamond mines and cobalt they keep playing Keep-Away against the Civilized World…I’d love to make that happen, believe me! Do you think their arrogance or their overpopulation would die first?

        Why do we keep feeding the Mouth That Bites?

        • Jason Y

          quote by ep-gah

          What practical solution could the Whites have implemented that DOESN’T include keeping the savages away from their victims, AKA Apartheid?

          Do you think they should tolerate a certain Level of savage attacks? If so, what Level is acceptable to you, and more importantly, WHY?

          How do you know savage attacks couldn’t come from your own race? For instance, so many white pill-heads will cut your throat and rub you where I live. Why is everything divided racially, when in reality it’s more a case of bad people of all races vs good people of all races?

      • EPGAH

        One story made me nearly vomit: White family’s house raided, the father, mother, 7 year-old-son bashed nearly to death, and the young 12-year-old daughter raped by a man with AIDS. They had hired special security, but it was the security who helped the savages into the house… But because they’re White, no-one cares!

        • EPGAH, please capitalize Whites when talking about the White race. We are a great race. Don’t you think we deserve to be capitalized?

        • Gay State Girl

          My Mother’s cousin was raped and beaten by one such domestic hand.

        • Jason Y

          These stories only point out tough law enforcement is needed in SA, just as it’s currently needed in my hometown (to protect from pain pill zombies). Unfortunately, and ep-gah has a point here, the black cops are way too soft on crime. Now while I disagree with aparthied, I do think tough color-blind law enforcement is needed.

        • Gay State Girl

          Jason

          My mom’s cousin’s passport was stolen and the black cops did nothing about it.

        • rafaelborjas

          Gay State Girl- When it gets to that point, your mother’s cousin is indeed to the point of being persecuted politically/ethnically.

        • Jason Y

          Gay State Girl,

          Of course, I know that the black south African police are weak and racially baised. That’s why I call for tough color-blind enforcement. Since that isn’t going to happen, you should either hire private protection or get out of SA.

        • Jason Y

          As SA becomes black controlled, much of it will resemble the third world. You have to buy people off in the third world, and they might include hiring private protection. That’s just the way it is.

          Note, even though I don’t like Aparthied, I can understand the motive. The ruling whites didn’t want SA to become third world, hence they didn’t want blacks to control it.

          Of course, the old aparthied SA had many third world areas, much as the US has Mississippi, but overall, even in poor areas, it was safe. Something you couldn’t say for other parts of Africa.

        • Jason Y

          Of course, white control of SA didn’t have to include aparthied. They could have simply instituted some strong color-blind law enforcement with whites running it (to eliminate the fact black cops are soft on other blacks).

        • “Of course, white control of SA didn’t have to include aparthied. They could have simply instituted some strong color-blind law enforcement with whites running it (to eliminate the fact black cops are soft on other blacks).”

          Keep it up Jason, you are beginning to drift back into some semblance of common sense.

        • EPGAH

          What practical solution could the Whites have implemented that DOESN’T include keeping the savages away from their victims, AKA Apartheid?

          Do you think they should tolerate a certain Level of savage attacks? If so, what Level is acceptable to you, and more importantly, WHY?

        • rafaelborjas

          Jason Y-

          As white “proliness” increases, the odds of “color blind law enforcement” diminishes. That’s the problem.
          Asians don’t have proles.
          P.S. why do my posts not appear until hours after “post” them.

        • Rafael, you have somehow made it onto the Block list. I do not have the faintest idea why you are on that list. WordPress has decided that you have been banned for some reason. It is mostly by IP, but I see nothing wrong with your IP. If you keep posting and your posts keep getting fished out of the trash, WP will eventually figure out that you are not banned after all and it will start approving all of your posts.

      • They’re has been recently much aggression on S.A whites by Black citizens there, Zimbabawe too.

        http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/murder-white-farmers-south-africa

        • Tulio

          But how many blacks there die at the hand of blacks comparatively?

        • Tulio, I’m not interested to go into a “but blacks are balcks biggest victims” debate because that essentially derailing.

          My point was you weren’t sure on whether SA whites were under attack. Perhaps the connotation as you perceive it isn’t correct, but persecution towards South African whites is rather undeniable.

        • Tulio

          You claim they are persecuted but look at all those wealthy whites living in glamorous neighborhoods in Cape town with ocean views. They don’t seem to bad off to me. Yeah, maybe a few out in the middle of nowhere run into trouble, but the same would happen to me if I went down there and was wandering around the countryside or near a township.

          Besides, whites created the apartheid society that led to this level of inequality and anger. Of course whites aren’t welcome taking over Africa anymore than blacks would be welcome taking over Europe.

        • EPGAH

          Whites created the whole COUNTRY, so why are you upset that whites setup a system to benefit themselves? You’re trying to justify the savagery because of “inequality and anger”?

          You got mad about Dylan Roof killing 9 Blacks, but you’ll justify THOUSANDS of Whites being massacred by savages because, what, it’s part of the CONTINENT of Africa, so you think it somehow belongs to the savages?

        • EPGAH

          BTW, Tulio, look in the news, savages ARE taking over Europe. The PEOPLE don’t like it, but the Governments are happy that Europe is no longer going to be a White area. When savages rape them, they’re told to write a journal about it, and you’re a “bigot” if you complain about the rapes.

          Did you see the electric fences in that video I showed you? The high walls, the barbed wire?
          They only have the good life UNTIL THE SAVAGES TAKE IT FROM THEM!

        • rafaelborjas

          Gay State Girl and Phil-
          I’d heard about Zimbabwe, but never South Africa.
          I did not know that there was such dysfunction, although generally speaking, I’d heard corruption was pretty bad.
          I just assumed whites still had a disproportionate amount of power, in South Africa.

        • “You claim they are persecuted but look at all those wealthy whites living in glamorous neighborhoods in Cape town with ocean views. They don’t seem to bad off to me. Yeah, maybe a few out in the middle of nowhere run into trouble, but the same would happen to me if I went down there and was wandering around the countryside or near a township.”

          Except that the economic position of whites in south Africa isn’t 100% “rich”. Many, like Boer, are farmers and have suffered through Farming reforms that caused them in immigrate. Not going to lie Tulio, this comes off as ignorant of you making a lot of assumptions about White’s position in SA and Zimabwe.

          “Besides, whites created the apartheid society that led to this level of inequality and anger. Of course whites aren’t welcome taking over Africa anymore than blacks would be welcome taking over Europe.”

          …….thorugh Terrorism and economic marginalization? First, how the hell does this disprove what I said in terms of modern persecution? Just because it was done in the past by them ( who, btw, at least ran the country to wealth and weren’t that much worst in human rights than SA now), second you are talking about political power when

          Tulio, as you said, Black do the same to themselves….especially when having a grudge against ethnic groups. Hutus and Tutsi have their respective differences, so look at what happended to them so imagine what would happen to whites (on a working class level and poverty level http://archive.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/07/poverty_within_white_south_afr.html would experience ) in the presence of corresponding whites of SES.

        • After that “when” in the first paragraph, I meant
          “When most of this is marginalization through Economic rather than Politics.

        • Tulio

          “Whites created the whole COUNTRY, so why are you upset that whites setup a system to benefit themselves? You’re trying to justify the savagery because of “inequality and anger”?”

          You talk as though whites stumbled across an uninhabited continent.There were people already occupying the land. Whites had no right to be there in the first place. And you damn sure wouldn’t like it if some other race took over Europe and made the whites into 2nd class citizens in their own territory.

          Now I’m not saying whites should be attacked in Africa. I’m not racist. I’d honestly like to see everyone live there in peace. But when you’ve had a history as racist, brutal and unequal as S. African apartheid, that bad blood and the associated social problems don’t just disappear overnight. S. Africa is the way it is for a reason. There are many British people who live in Kenya and other parts of Africa peacefully. Same with German in Namibia. So it’s not even ALL Africa.

          “BTW, Tulio, look in the news, savages ARE taking over Europe. The PEOPLE don’t like it, but the Governments are happy that Europe is no longer going to be a White area. When savages rape them, they’re told to write a journal about it, and you’re a “bigot” if you complain about the rapes.”

          They have been welcomed in by EU leadership and promised jobs, free housing, food and education. Why are you surprised they’re showing up? Remember all the Germans holding signs saying “Refugees Welcome”? I don’t think that’s equivalent to white colonization of Africa where nobody invited them.

        • Tulio

          “You got mad about Dylan Roof killing 9 Blacks, but you’ll justify THOUSANDS of Whites being massacred by savages because, what, it’s part of the CONTINENT of Africa, so you think it somehow belongs to the savages?”

          Of course Africa belongs to blacks. You’re telling it doesn’t? Then where is the black man’s home? Are you trying to tell me Europe belongs to whites, and now Africa belongs to whites too?

        • “You talk as though whites stumbled across an uninhabited continent.There were people already occupying the land. Whites had no right to be there in the first place. And you damn sure wouldn’t like it if some other race took over Europe and made the whites into 2nd class citizens in their own territory.”

          In the Case of South Africa, you would be talking about Khoi-san Huntergathers who often migrate, so that land was up for Grabs. At that Point, Bantus were settlers and were competing amongst eachother for land as well.

          “Now I’m not saying whites should be attacked in Africa. I’m not racist. I’d honestly like to see everyone live there in peace. But when you’ve had a history as racist, brutal and unequal as S. African apartheid, that bad blood and the associated social problems don’t just disappear overnight. S. Africa is the way it is for a reason. There are many British people who live in Kenya and other parts of Africa peacefully. Same with German in Namibia. So it’s not even ALL Africa.”

          I remember when I was looking in the comment section of a article talking about the Baltimore Riot, a former cop who left their said he was at first angry at Blacks who acted unruly their until he saw where they came from once witnessing the a young boy removed from a substance abusing household. He had a reply from a person who said “That’s an explanation, not an excuse.”

          The same applies here. You can make a good argument or why they act like that despite their demographic not being Unique to the region, however it is NOT only the way they act BUT also how the government barely puts an effort to help them, the land reforms inflicted on Farmers proving that they care little about their welfare.

        • rafaelborjas

          Tulio-

          It’s best you learn EPGAH’s viewpoint that whites can do absolutely no wrong, whatsoever. Asians and Jews do better on the IQ tests whites created?; The tests are somehow biased against whites.

          -Romans were pure blooded Nordics

          -ALL Middle-Easterners are inbred.

          -Aztec Achievements actually weren’t actually achievements (for god knows what reason/justification)

          etc., etc., etc.

          I think he’s Ann Coulter without the Trans make-up and wig. White Supremacists are a joke!

        • Rafael, one space between paragraphs and callouts as above, ok?

        • rafaelborjas

          Phil-
          Tulio-
          It’s best you learn his viewpoint that whites can do absolutely no wrong, whatsoever. Asians and Jews do better on the IQ tests whites created?; The tests are somehow biased against whites.
          -Romans were pure blooded Nordics
          -ALL Middle-Easterners are inbred.
          -Aztec Achievements actually weren’t actually achievements (for god knows what reason/justification)
          etc., etc., etc.

          I think he’s Ann Coulter without the female make-up and wig.

          White Supremacists are a joke!

        • rafaelborjas

          Tulio-
          Dumb black! By “Asian countries for Asians, Black countries for blacks” he really means “Asian countries for whites, black countries for whites”

          Wait, I got it, the great white god put a curse on all the bad people, and their descendants are the “People of Color” (or as his Daily Stormer account likely says; “turd worlders”.)

          Of course this is sarcasm, please don’t be offended.

        • EPGAH

          Tulio: I don’t care that they show up, I care that they rape their betters, then get acquitted, and the VICTIMS get blamed! Or maybe the Men for not protecting their women from savages?

          http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/07/feminists-blame-german-born-men-for-mass-sex-attacks-apease-migrants/

          And here’s an official telling the Germans they’re actually less welcome in their own country than the raping “refugees”!

          As to South Africa, that’s the point: No one was there to invite them, no one was there to dispute their land claim, so I don’t know where your beef is. The savages couldn’t be bothered with the land until the whites built something good there, then the savages couldn’t pour in fast enough. And yet, they didn’t LEAVE when they were being “oppressed”. Why not?

          As to a continent belonging to someone, well, apparently Europe doesn’t belong to Whites, America doesn’t belong to Whites (Am I talking about the continent of North America, or the nation “United States of America”, usually abbreviated to “America”? The answer is YES!), so why should Africa belong to savages, especially savages who couldn’t be bothered claiming the land until Whites were already there?

          And again, if they want to claim the LAND, why not give the Whites time to demolish everything we built — especially the water infrastructure — so the savages can steal the LAND? If the LAND was all they were after, why weren’t the reservations enough?

        • EPGAH

          Rafaelborjas: We’re not talking about Black countries, we’re talking about South Africa, which was CREATED by whites, which makes it a white country, right?

          Or do you believe white countries don’t belong to whites, they belong to whoever can invade in large enough quantities?

        • EPGAH you must always capitalize White as in White race, ok?

        • EPGAH

          Oh, hey, don’t forget the Brussels terrorism by the same ingrate “refugees”….Or Paris!

          This is NOT the supplicant attitude/behavior the word “refugee” conjures up in most peoples’ minds, is it? The word “refugee” conjures up the IMAGE of a bunch of down-on-their luck beggars, “Please Sir, May I Have Some More?” NOT, “We’re Gonna Rape&Murder all Of You! You’re Such Suckers For Letting Us In!”

          Notice though, Hungary built walls to keep the savages out, and they have no such troubles. People call them “Nazis”, but they’re actually closer in character to the French Resistance! Keep the invading marauders OUT!

      • BTW, many have been moving back to Eurasia,
        but part of it is more liked to land reforms which is technically still persecution
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/boer-farmers-head-for-new-home-in-georgia-2128794.html

      • Jason Y

        quote by Tulio

        I’ve personally known South Africans. They see S. Africa as their home as much as a white American sees N. America as their home. They consider themselves Africans. They don’t see Europe as home, even if that is where their ancestors came from.

        And who says whites are under attack in S. Africa? I have to think if they were truly living under some brutal repression, you’d be seeing white refugees. Seems many are living the good life to me.

        I have to disagree with Tulio to some extent regarding SA crime. Nonetheless, as I said in other comments, the white area where I live could become just like SA, considering all the drug addiction. The only thing stopping it is harsh law enforcement, I suppose like we saw in Aparthied South Africa.

        • Jason Y

          Note I mean white drug addicts terrorizing an all white area, which is the case in my hometown. There was at least two stories I know of, where these white “niggers” so to speak, robbed the elderly and killed them.

        • EPGAH

          Was it reported in the paper? Did the police actually investigate or turn a brown eye to it, like the savages in South Africa do when their fellow savages rob, rape, and murder their betters?

          If it was reported in the paper AND the police actually TRIED to do something about it, then we have a different situation than South Africa.

          To be like South Africa, criminals of the same race as the cops would be ignored, and to be safe, regardless of race, you’d have to live behind some serious fortifications. I posted a video recently, were you admiring the electric fences, or did you somehow not notice them?

          Oh, and one more thing about the situation in South Africa: You’d have to have the zombies, as you call them, move into your area in truly MASSIVE numbers, become a minority in your own area, and the zombies would takeover and BECOME the Government, passing laws that are good for them, bad for you.

          I have to ask again: If your area is so horrible, why aren’t you moving out? You said that whites should invade New York and California to get the jobs (Not sure how they’d get the jobs when they’d be in DIRECT competition with the illegals, but I guess you’ll handwave that, right?), so why don’t you take your own advice and move to a better place? Do you have some sentimental attachment to your current environs? Are you pulling your version of “These Colors Don’t Run”? Or do you just like to bitch?

      • GulliverFredrich

        hey Tulio! I have some off-topic questions I want to ask you privately via email/pm’s. What is your contact email or messaging address?

    • Jason Y

      South Africa is a small place compared to the US. It’s like a bunch of Jews setting up a campsite in Pakistan.

      • EPGAH

        Wow, that’s an interesting way to justify it, except you forget: The whites were there first. Terra Nullius, land owned by noone, so it became the whites’ land.

        I got an ad yesterday for a retreat to “get away from it all”. The “retreat” is 142 miles from my house. THAT is getting away from it all?
        The whites of South Africa fled over 6 THOUSAND miles! THAT is getting away from it all! Except the savages poured in once they had a good country going. What does it take to get away from those who are trying to kill you?

    • Jason Y

      If only santo-culto could realize that some whites can be just as bad as ghetto blacks, then he’d respect my viewpoint more. As I said in other comments, the whites where I live, at least the drug addicted ones, will behave just like ghetto blacks.

      • EPGAH

        OK, I will completely agree that drug-addicted Whites behave just like ghetto Blacks. BUT there’s a much smaller percentage.

        In fact, this isn’t just a stereotype, PBS did a study on it!
        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/buyers/whoare.html
        Blacks do more drugs than Whites.

        And you haven’t shown me Whites burning down large swaths of cityscape. You don’t have a White version of Ferguson to point to, if you want to say “See? Whites Are Just As Bad!”

      • Latias

        I got a white version of Ferguson:

        Start watching at 37:40. It depicts immense civil disorder and violence caused by whites, and that certainly did eclipse anything that occurred in the United States on the behalf of Blacks.

      • Tulio

        Whites are more likely to use drugs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html

        Drug culture is definitely more of a white thing. One difference is that drug abuse tends to be a lower class thing for blacks. Whereas for whites it’s amongst all classes. I don’t ever hear middle class blacks talking about drugs. Meanwhile, recreational drugs are huge amongst middle class whites and even some wealthy ones that view cocaine as chic.

      • EPGAH

        Your stats come from HuffPost, though, which is liberal and fairly openly anti-white. Try something more mainstream, like PBS. Hardly a bastion of rightwing thought™, but it is more based in fact.

        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/buyers/whoare.html

        Blacks buy drugs more, so how could Whites USE drugs more than Blacks? Or did you confuse “Breaking Bad” with a documentary?

      • Danneutron

        LOL Whites haven’t burned down anything or entire city scapes? WTF are you talking about? How about all those times when Whites burned down entire towns and cities AND CIVILIZATIONS from Asia to Africa to Eurasia to the America’s starting tome 1600’s? I really don’t think “whites” should be lecturing people about “burning things down” and “acting like savages” when their history is completely rife with it.

        Not to mention whites didn’t even create a basic written or alphabet script, didn’t have a tradition of practicing widespread literacy, or even a basic numerical system or discovered basic agriculture or metallurgy. Whites had to adopt all those things from “savage non-whites”, who ironically actually built their own independent civilizations and societies UNLIKE Whites WHO HAD TO ADOPT ALL THOSE THINGS ABOVE!!!!

      • EPGAH

        Burning our enemies is a good thing, burning our own shit down would be stupid. What you describe is called WAR, what I was talking about is the rioting by ingrate malcontents. Warfare is not necessarily savage. In fact, if you look closer at your history, and it’s not too “revised”, you’ll see that the calm organized soldiers chopped down berserkers 9 times out of 10.

        And actually, Europeans DID have agriculture and metallurgy, we developed it far beyond the nonwhites, which is why our food can support a larger population, and Africa keeps claiming to be starving.
        As to written language, we’ve had that as far back as Ancient Greece. We DID develop our own numeric system, the ROMAN Numerals. Later, Arab invaders would force “Arabic” numerals on us which were actually invented by India.

        The savages DID develop their own societies, but they were not civilized.

        http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p-7_Beary.html

        http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/dr-livingstone-s-lost-1871-massacre-218211

        They developed war, slavery, even torture, before they had whites to blame it on!

        Is your history book missing a few pages, or are you just making up as you go along?

      • rafaelborjas

        Danneutron-
        LIES! I BET YOU VOTED FOR “BUM”
        TRUMP WILL STAND UP TO THE COLOREDS, JUST YOU WAIT!

      • Latias

        “what I was talking about is the rioting by ingrate malcontents. ”

        That describes the Ukrainian coup.

    • “South Africa is a small place compared to the US. It’s like a bunch of Jews setting up a campsite in Pakistan.”

      This means nothing and translates to nothing in this debate, elaborate?
      My point was that you originally said that South African whites “had it coming”, for coming to the country hen they had everyright due to it A. being a colony of a nation many lived in, and the rest “like the dutch” went to escape persecution. Other land was again through competition and , guess what, the BLACKS were also settlers and tried the same thing amongst themselves.

      “If only santo-culto could realize that some whites can be just as bad as ghetto blacks, then he’d respect my viewpoint more. As I said in other comments, the whites where I live, at least the drug addicted ones, will behave just like ghetto blacks.”

      Of course their would be overlap in populations, but it’s not existence of the types in each groups that are an issue, it is STATISTICAL PREVALENCE. And, in comparison, the prevalence of this particular behavior amongst whites is smaller than in blacks.

      • Jason Y

        Of course their would be overlap in populations, but it’s not existence of the types in each groups that are an issue, it is STATISTICAL PREVALENCE. And, in comparison, the prevalence of this particular behavior amongst whites is smaller than in blacks.

        So what? Tell that to white people who have to defend thier homes from white drug addicts. Murder is murder. Robbery is robbery.

        Yeah of course, death at the hands of a black can resemble a horror movie. Nonethless, lynchings in the Jim Crow south were also something similar, and there was the police state set up by the whites keeping everyone in terror.

      • Jason Y

        Who knows what white drug addcits would do in Appalachia and other places, if there wasn’t law enforcement to stop them? It could rival what ghetto or bad SA blacks do, and be something like off the Mad Max movies.

        Iv’e known some of these whites myself, and they are despicable liars and theives, slaves to whatever dope the want.

      • “So what? Tell that to white people who have to defend thier homes from white drug addicts. Murder is murder. Robbery is robbery.” Because if crime is DISPROPORTIONATE, that what determines whether this issue from being just the case of crime VERSUS an actually thing tied to an ethnic group.

        “Yeah of course, death at the hands of a black can resemble a horror movie. Nonethless, lynchings in the Jim Crow south were also something similar, and there was the police state set up by the whites keeping everyone in terror.”

        Okay, first of all, much of the Lynchings of Blacks were due to many being guilty of a crime. Second, this isn’t some “Nazi” excuse, WHITES in the West have been lynched too for similar reasons. It was basically a tactic for rural people to establuch order when they didn’t have that much of a judicial infrastructure.

        Of course, the lynching you were talking about did indeed occur, most being under the Ku Klux Klan.

      • “Who knows what white drug addcits would do in Appalachia and other places, if there wasn’t law enforcement to stop them? It could rival what ghetto or bad SA blacks do, and be something like off the Mad Max movies.”

        Actually, Robert has written in the past of how Poor whites don’t act as bad on average as corresponding Blacks of the same economic position.

        “Iv’e known some of these whites myself, and they are despicable liars and theives, slaves to whatever dope the want.”

        Again, you are misusing anecdote. Just because it exist, it doesn’t necessarily contribute to statistical prevalence.

      • Jason Y

        Phil, these poor whites do act as bad as blacks. If you happen to be in an area with weak law enforcement, then you will see what I mean. For instance, I have a drug addict in my family. She and her friends practice identity theft, rob my mother and all sorts of other things.

      • Jason Y

        Maybe Phil doesn’t understand how bad the pain pill and meth problem is in states like Tennessee.

      • “Phil, these poor whites do act as bad as blacks. If you happen to be in an area with weak law enforcement, then you will see what I mean. For instance, I have a drug addict in my family. She and her friends practice identity theft, rob my mother and all sorts of other things.”

        Perhaps in this particular aspect of Crime, but not in others. Also, Quantity of these people are not as large as it is in Black populations.

        “Maybe Phil doesn’t understand how bad the pain pill and meth problem is in states like Tennessee.”

        Where did I say it wasn’t a problem? The evidence you provided shows that it can EXIST in a white population.

        The concept of sociological pathology that I’m using ISN;T to say that it all stems from Blacks, but rather that statistically speaking it occurs more oten in the Black population.

        AND with that said not ALL blacks are like that.

      • Furthermore, my point isn’t to excuse occurrences like what Jason describes by pointing towards the prevalence amongst Blacks. MY point is the understanding of it having a higher rate in Black populations.

  3. Jason Y

    quote by santo-culto

    I’m really anti-injustice in the same way that a bad singer IS NOT a real singer. talent is talent.

    I go to a US university. Iv’e seen no instances of people who do bad getting ahead. If you can do it, then you make mediocre or bad grades. Also, I don’t see instances on TV of bad singers winning singing shows.

    The left wing etc.. is not trying to force a world of mediocrity on everyone. It’s just giving everyone an equal chance. For instance, there could be talented people out there who can’t make it, simply cause they don’t have the resources.

    • Jason Y

      Meant to say if you can’t do it you make mediocre or bad grades.

    • EPGAH

      Do you work in Admissions? If not, how do you know which ones are getting in on merit, and who is getting in on Affirmative Action?

      Or look up scandals of Grade Inflation. The leftwing IS trying to inflict mediocrity on everyone by making A no longer worth anything by taking away the chance of failure! Even in videogames, if you can’t fail, winning becomes meaningless, right?

      How many people have college degrees? And how many in actual useful fields?

      • Jason Y

        A lot of the humanities teachers grade really harshly. Of course, humanities degrees are generally useless without a masters or PHD. Nonetheless, the bachelors are still tough anyhow.

        I’m sure some teachers grade inflate to pass students. However, a C average doesn’t impress employers much.

        • EPGAH

          Yes, but you were implying that Affirmative Action doesn’t try to force a World of Mediocrity, only giving losers an equal chance.

          I don’t know why you brought up the singing shows, they don’t have anything like Affirmative Action.

          But again, when’s the last time you heard about someone flunking out? Not DROPPING out, I mean actual flunking, getting a big fat F, and having to retake the class.

          And generally speaking, humanities degrees are useless anyways. We need engineers, not philosophers. Especially when the philosophers are encouraging us to destroy our own civilization!

        • Jason Y

          People flunk out in higher math classes a lot. In other cases, as Iv’e said students might be able to BS the teacher into getting a D. Nonetheless, C and D grades, as I said, don’t impress employers. They make you look lazy.

          Some classes where people flat out flunk are Calculus and Organic Chemistry etc…

        • Jason Y

          No humanities degrees are not economically useless, unless you only plan to get a bachelors. Of course, the far right hates humaniites courses, because they’re preaching all the stuff they hate.

          However, why do we need a closed minded book burning society like Nazi Germany? Can’t people make up their own adult minds on what to believe in?

        • EPGAH

          OK, what economic purpose do the SJW courses serve? This should be interesting.

        • EPGAH

          As to people making up their own adult mind what to believe, that’s kinda the problem, which is why we have these revisionist histories that try to make the Civilized World THE Unilateral Bad Guy.

          It used to be you could have your own opinion, but not your own facts, but now, your opinion BECOMES the facts!

          For instance, did you know Britain used to be a country of Black savages? That’s what they’re trying to push now. If you have any shred of common sense, that untruth alone should make your brain hurt.

          Then don’t watch any of the SJW rewrites in this link.

        • EPGAH

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/03/19/a-jew-pays-a-visit-to-my-blog/#comment-255513

          Did you not mean it when you wrote this? You actually said that if we’re paying for it, then it should be limited to useful courses!
          Now you say the opposite!

  4. RockT

    Guys, the alt-left just started like a month ago, c’mon now. As for it seeming to be like the alt-right; look, certain things are true, so they will overlap.

  5. The reason the Alt-left is becoming morel like the Alt-right is because the mainstream left is so overcome with political correctness and SJW’s that they are reluctant to support it. Meanwhile there are many people in the Alt-Right who sympathize with the Alt-left but when they join it they could just obsorb it into the Alt-Right. Robert you are unique in the sense you started out on the left but many people iv’e talk who are younger and are interested in the Alt-Left started out on the Alt-Right.

    • Horatio

      I don’t think many people can just allow SJWs to continue. Even if you’d like to think you’re above it all, you’re going to be the victim of some political ideology. Neutrality is still a position in support of the dominant side.

      So may as well choose the one that appears to be on your side.

      Identity Politics is the politics of the 21st century. The 20th century dream of a multiracial mass of people putting abstract values above their own groups welfare is dead. Only whites really played along, and now some whites are realising they were the only ones playing the game, and its time to get out.

      Human beings always have been about group survival and group politics, always has been, and there is no good reason for it to be anything otherwise these days.

  6. Erik Sieven

    racial differences have implications when the races mix, with or without conspiracy. For example when japanese men would allow mass migration of white males to Japan this would lead to a partner market which is worse for japanese males and better for for japanese females. The same is true for european countries and male immigration form West Africa. Also the different races have different levels of readiness to physical fight. Without any conspiracy this leads to a asymmetrical interracial crime situation.

  7. Stary Wylk

    With seven billion humans in the world there are bound to be at least seven billion conspiracies. Some conspiracies are bound to be more influential than others.

  8. Stary Wylk

    Every communication is an attempt at manipulation. Don’t let Sarah make you feel guilty.

  9. Horatio

    I’m not sure if I am Alt-Right, though I seem to think I am. I sympathise with the Alt-Left, and I have no issue with it at all. In fact, I’m not even sure whether I am Alt-Left or Alt-Right.

    The Alt-Right is not monolithic. From my observation, it’s a sort of offshoot of the Dark Enlightenment and Neo-Reaction, but has morphed away from that. Many of the criticisms against the Alt-Right made here are applicable to the original Dark Enlightenment and Neo-Reactionary movement, but no so much the Alt-Right. A lot of people have jumped on board the Alt-Right who don’t have the intellectual background of being part of Dark Enligtenment, which I’m grateful for, as I’m not fond of the Dark Enlightenment and neo-Reaction.

    I think the Alt-Left and Alt-Right is kind of moving towards each other.

    As for the White Genocide “Conspiracy Theory”, I must comment here too. Neo-Nazis and White Nationalist Stormfronters believed in a Jewish conspiracy to do away with whites, and that this is all the work of “The Jew” who manipiluated the honorable gentle Aryan into doing bad things. This is just “The big kids made me do it” reasoning, and its rubbish.

    The White Genocide meme didn’t originate from this political mileau. It originated at WhitakerOnline.org and with BUGS. The Stormfronters and Daily Stormers and all the other “White Storm” movements appropriated this and melded their conspiracy theories into it. The only ones bringing conspiracy into it are the White Stormers and the anti-racists. The BUGS group and Bob Whitaker of WhitakerOnline never suggest, nor imply a conspiracy. The position is that anti-white sentiment and action is a social phenomenon, and is perhaps a just a recurring result of Western thought, where we put self destruction as a virtue. The argument isn’t that there is a central conspiracy, but that Western society has become and adopted an anti-white nature and stance, and people are willingly supporting policies and morals and ideas which are resulting in all and only white nations being subject to mass immigration and assimilation.

    I don’t see an issue with this assessment, nor do I have an issue with white people pointing out the end result of mass immigration into white nations, nor do I have an issue with white people demanding this be discussed, nor do I have an issue with white people suggesting and holding people to account for the results of their immigration and social policies, nor do I have an issue with them demanding the right to discuss this.

    After all, some suggest that denial of global warming is nothing more than a conspiracy by Big Oil. Global Warming deniers say there is no conspiracy, and therefore there is no denial issue whatsoever. Neither position is correct. There is a problem of denial BUT its not a conspiracy, its a social phenomenon.

    I see White Genocide the same way. Just because there is no central conspiracy, doesn’t mean that our society doesn’t have a problem with anti-Western and hostile anti-racism, and a perverse desire of Western leaders and Western policymakers to rush towards diversity.

    • Tulio

      Just about everyone on the alt right is a climate change denialist. That is one of their keystone issues.

      • EPGAH

        I don’t really think it’s a denial of climate change, BUT even the proponents of climate change have admitted there’s been a 10 year “pause” in it, AND they can’t even agree on which direction it is.

        PLUS, the climate change would be unimportant, EXCEPT that it’s a wedge to make White countries cripple our own industries while savage countries and China can pollute as much as they want.

        PLUS, even the biggest True Believers in climate change push for more savages to come into the Civilized World, where they have more access to polluting tech, AND their breeding is subsidized by their betters.

        If the idiots really believed Climate Change was a bad thing AND it was caused by humans, then the solution would be pruning the savage overpopulation, and DEFINITELY keeping them out of their betters’ countries, so they would have less access to polluting tech. Or declaring a moratorium on cars for savage countries. Especially the countries savages overthrew and kicked the Whites out/massacred the whites.
        They should no longer have access to White technologies, right?

      • EPGAH

        http://tpr.org/post/unicef-report-africas-population-could-hit-4-billion-2100
        If idiots REALLY believed Climate Change was a bad thing, then this would be an Obvious Bad Thing, and we’d have to do something about it.

        Start with pruning savages from white countries, and DEFINITELY cut off megaton shipments of WHITE food, money, and meds to savages.
        Sure, Jason says it’s “barbaric”, but I don’t see what’s “barbaric” about letting savages return to the Standard Of Living they had before the whites setup civilization and showed them a better Standard Of Living was even POSSIBLE, right?

        “Nasty Brutish and Short”, right? Noble Savages, my ass.

        • Horatio

          Ive heard even the biggest anti-Capitalist, climate change concerned activists say they think Australia should be filled end to end with third worlders so they can have a better life here.

          When you hear this shit, repeatedly, you wonder about their proenvironmental bona fides.

          I dont see how moving people out of one infrastructure, to have ot create another and increase consumption helps the environment.

      • Jason Y

        The National Geographic article about changing lifestyles on Greenland pretty much confirms climate change, and what about the melting poles? I don’t see why the right wing can’t see this stuff.

        • Tulio

          The American right is a different animal altogether. The European right doesn’t deny climate change. I really think the Cold War fucked America up in so many ways. Climate change is viewed by the American right as some leftist/Marxist conspiracy to destroy capitalism. Even though the Cold War is long over, there are communists hiding behind every shadow trying to undermine the USA in every insidious, clandestine manner one could conceive. I’ve heard people on right wing radio shows liken environmentalist to watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside. I guess we’re stuck with these wingnuts for some time to come.

        • EPGAH

          Then why is there no attempt to rein in the Third World mega-breeders, if not actively prune them? We could start with just NOT sending food, money, and meds, and let Lord Darwin take care of it for us.

          Why is it ONLY attacks on our job-creating industries? Most particularly the ENERGY industry, which ironically powers everything from your computer to those “clean” electric cars?

          And where’s the similar attacks on China’s industries, or Africa’s? Or do Third World industries somehow not pollute?

          PS, National Geographic in 1994 was the one that sounded the alarm about overpopulation and Global Cooling. Now they have articles saying that Third World overpopulation is NOT a bad thing! So which is it? Is Global Warming caused by humans? Are savages not human? At least by the Global Warming definition?

  10. It’s hard to not sympathize with the right when you see shit like this.

    Makes me sick.

    • guy from Montréal

      Every time I hear about this white priviledge crap it always comes from the mouth of some female SJW, this stuff is just getting out of hand.

      • EPGAH

        Why do women believe more in “White Privilege” bullshit than Men?

        And when did “privilege” become a 4-letter word, a bad thing that must be torn down at all costs, rather than a benefit accrued by some positive achievements, or maybe even the result of a couple centuries of achievement?

        • rafaelborjas

          EPGAH-

          Because it’s about the individual. The idea is that whites get the benefit of “a couple of centuries of achievement” (which they personally had nothing to do with), while the black or non-white Hispanic does not have the advantage.

          “White privilege” is sort of a joke, too, because Irish, Italians, Greeks, Jews, and Euro-Spanish have been historically been discriminated against by the Anglo-Saxons. The definition of white changes so often, I don’t even give a fuck anymore. Time for the Asians.

        • Rafael, capitalize Black and White as in the races ok. All major races are great races so they all deserve to be capped.

        • Jason Y

          quote by ep-gah

          Why do women believe more in “White Privilege” bullshit than Men?

          And when did “privilege” become a 4-letter word, a bad thing that must be torn down at all costs, rather than a benefit accrued by some positive achievements, or maybe even the result of a couple centuries of achievement?

          Do they? Where I live so many of the women are indocrinated in even more insane racism then what they feed white men. Of course, the whole goal being keeping daddy’s daughter from screwing/marrying a black guy.

        • EPGAH

          Rafael:

          If we’re going to be blamed for our ancestors’ “bad” deeds (Bad by MODERN morality, not back then), then we should also be allowed to take credit for our ancestors’ positive achievements. After all, we are them, they are us, now and forever, right?

          And didn’t the Blacks and Hispanics have the same number of centuries to develop their countries as they saw fit? Our countries are better, that’s why they flock to ours, right?

          BUT since they’re invading our home, they must follow our rules, right? Our rules — and the obedience thereof — are what made White countries safer and better, right? Or do you think we have some sort of magic? And if so, how does the Spell just HAPPEN to fail in areas that get heavily infested with the invaders?

        • EPGAH

          If of course, you want to push the point that most of the Whites had nothing to do with the achievements, then the nonwhites had even LESS to do with them — even when they weren’t attacking us and trying to STOP us from achieving and/or building up good countries.

          So why should we take them in and share the benefits of our achievements with them until they calm down and behave?

          As to the Asians, try going to China for awhile, they’ll show you what racism is all about. They don’t even tolerate THEIR OWN people getting out of line, so what do you think they’d do with upstart savages? Do you think they’d tolerate “We Will Not Comply” tantrums like the ones in Arizona? Do you think they’d tolerate a Ferguson-style loot&burn? You think they’d give thugs “Space To Destroy”?

          Maybe it is “Time For The Asians”. Someone needs to establish Order, and I no longer think it’ll be America!

        • rafaelborjas

          “Rafael, capitalize Black and White as in the races ok. All major races are great races so they all deserve to be capped.”
          Very true, I just didn’t think that they were actually the formal names of those two races though.

          You’re the boss, and I’ll do it.

      • Tulio

        @guy from Montreal

        Just because some genuine SJW nutbags believe in white privilege doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Unfortunately they’ve taken it to such an extreme that it’s hard to even discuss it seriously. I can’t blame people from being turned off by it though when they see videos like that. But white privilege most certainly exist. I like to make an analogy that will make it easier to understand when you take race out of the equation.

        Let’s look at height. Most CEOs tend to be tall. I’ve heard they are almost all over 6feet. Same with presidents. There is a privilege to being a tall man. You are more likely to be seen as confident, competent, authoritative, more sought after by women for marriage and sex, more likely to be put in a position of power, etc. A guy that’s 5′ 5″ may have great leadership qualities, but may be overlooked in favor of a guy that’s 6′ 4″. Now does that mean that tall guys didn’t work hard? No. Does it mean they didn’t earn their place? No. But it means that they had the deck stacked in their favor and got bonus points that short guys didn’t get. Can some short guys get the favors that tall guys get? Sure. I sometimes see short guys will beautiful women taller than them for example. But the point is they have to be that much better to make up for that shortcoming. White privilege works much the same way. Tall guys are largely oblivious as to, for example how much better they have it with women and think they get more girls just because they have game. They’ll get defensive and angry if you tell them otherwise. Much the same way whites are totally oblivious to their own privilege and get defensive if you bring it up.

        • EPGAH

          BUT with whites, it’s earned, based on stereotypical behavior, rather than some physical characteristic. Blacks are 5X more likely to murder than Whites are. Other crimes have different multipliers, but the number is always greater than 1. Robert wrote a bit about this:

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/why-race-is-important/

          Why SHOULDN’T you have to work harder to make up for it? That’s a pretty big “shortcoming” to make up for, don’t you think? We’re treated as safe. For Whites, that’s something akin to being housebroken. Why can’t Blacks act housebroken, rather than break (or burn down) the house? It’s been 400 years, and the BEST we’ve got is, “Well, they act better than the people in India”…REALLY?! That’s all they can learn in 400 years?

          Of course, those who aren’t, not only suffer name-calling from their savage “brethren”, but also doubt from within. There’s a huge resistance against even Blacks who try to housebreak other Blacks, or as Robert calls it “Reduce Black Pathology”…Is there a difference that is more than semantic?

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/commenter-phil-on-jewamongyous-site/

        • EPGAH

          TLDR: Our “privilege” is because we act better.

          Are savages going to outbreed their betters and overthrow this country just like Haiti, South Africa, Rhodesia, etc.? That’s a valid fear based on precedent, and a good reason to “get defensive” if you try to push us MORE out of control of OUR country!

          Or do you bitch because you CAN? Indeed, in nonwhite countries, minority rights are pretty much nonexistent. China pulled a TANK on their own upstarts, what would they do to ingrate minorities? What about India? Or the “tolerance” of any of the terrorist countries?

        • Jason Y

          It’s a known fact that for competitive jobs, a black name like Lamar etc.. on a resume is bad news.

        • Actually Height correlates with intelligence. For example, if you remember the Flynn effect along with getting smarter they also increase in height.

          So sure, while there are exceptions (Asians, however I heard it had something to do in part of lacking proper nutrition from Dairy products), their is still a correlation.
          https://pumpkinperson.com//?s=Height&search=Go

          A compilation of material.

        • Jason Y

          Actually Height correlates with intelligence. For example, if you remember the Flynn effect along with getting smarter they also increase in height.

          So sure, while there are exceptions (Asians, however I heard it had something to do in part of lacking proper nutrition from Dairy products), their is still a correlation.
          https://pumpkinperson.com//?s=Height&search=Go

          A compilation of material.

          HA HA, lol. Whatever Phil. Anything that is anti-progressive must be the truth. I bet that link is’nt the only one on the subject.

        • Jason Y

          Oh, many Japanese are short, and they are indeed very smart. Hmmm ???

        • “Oh, many Japanese are short, and they are indeed very smart. Hmmm ???”

          “Actually Height correlates with intelligence. For example, if you remember the Flynn effect along with getting smarter they also increase in height.

          So sure, while there are exceptions (Asians, however I heard it had something to do in part of lacking proper nutrition from Dairy products), their is still a correlation.
          https://pumpkinperson.com//?s=Height&search=Go

          A compilation of material.”

          Also, this guy is far from a “anti-progressive” and actually is one of Robert’s friends.

          Also, the Guy who even MADE the damn note of height increase and intellect WAS A SOCIALIST (Flynn)

        • Jason Y

          When you count the entire Japanese population, as well as probably Chinese and Koreans, then that’s a big exception.

        • “When you count the entire Japanese population, as well as probably Chinese and Koreans, then that’s a big exception.”

          Well the Height to IQ thing works predominately Intra-racially, in other words those within a race who are taller are, on average, taller.

          http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-03-genetic-link-height-iq.html

        • I put taller twice, I meant smarter.

        • Tulio. Please always capitalize the words Black and White as in Black and White races. These are two of the major great races of the world, and as such they deserve to be capped.

          Also no more than 10 lines per paragraph please.

          TIA.

        • Pumpkin is pretty damn rightwing. He is a typical HBD’er. Whether he is less nasty and reactionary than the rest is uncertain but perhaps he is.

          Speaking of friends, Mr. Flynn is also an acquaintance of mine, though Jim and I have not communicated in some time now. I usually need a pretty good reason to talk to him, and we only talk about IQ stuff, though he pretty much agrees with everything I say on IQ.

          He likes my articles BTW. And GODDAMN is he smart, Jesus Christ man. I cannot believe how smart that man is. His brain seems to go literally a mile a minute.

        • To Robert,

          While he is rather blatant with racial differences, based on the HBD bloggers I seen he definitely doesn’t have a thing aganst Blacks outside of research based on hi assessment on African immigrants, Obama, and Oprah.

        • So he is one of the least racist of the HBD bloggers then correct?

        • rafaelborjas

          Robert-
          pumpkinperson has evolved. He is gradually beginning to defend the economic elites as higher IQ, and thinks preserving their position is best for society as a whole. He believes, however they are taking advantage of everyone else. He has gradually shifted to this position. He wants Bernie Sanders to win in the U.S., he says.

        • Tulio

          @Robert

          I’ll be mindful of paragraph length, but it is not standard practice to capitalize black and white when referring to races. These are qualitative descriptions, not races. Caucasian, Mongoloid or Negroid are actual races(at least broadly speaking) and would be capitalized.

        • I know, but I want Black and White capped simply because this is a race blog. Anyway, there is mass violation against that rule of not capping black and white races, so even if it is de jure wrong, it is not de facto wrong with mass violation of the rule. It’s not just about the rules; it’s about whether people obey them or not. Black and White are getting to be more or less official terms to describe those races anyway, at least in most people’s minds.

        • Unbelievable. Pumpkin has has evolved. There is hope for mankind.

          Pumpkin should maybe join the Alt Left. But he doesn’t seem too politically inclined actually.

        • Jm8

          Extreme SJWs are ruining many words and concepts. It’s getting to where you can’t use a (potentially) useful word like “problematic” in socio-cultural contexts without being pigeonholed and dismissed. And the quality of discourse (another word they risk stigmatizing) suffers.

        • guy from Montréal

          I see your point there Tulio and I’m not saying that there isn’t something related to privilege, and maybe even more so in the U.S. than where I live in Canada, but these SJW nutbags as you point out really drive me mad.

        • EPGAH

          Are you sure the word “privilege” applies, and not just that we’re treated better because we have EARNED THE REPUTATION OF ACTING BETTER? “Privilege” (at least the way the SJW’s use it nowadays) sounds like it’s bestowed on you magically, rather than based on how other members of your group behave.

          I mean seriously, to find a white behavior to compare with Ferguson, you apparently have to look at Civil Wars outside of America.

          Do poodles then have a “privilege” because they’re not considered infant-mauling monsters like pit bulls?

          Or have pit bulls EARNED that bad reputation by actually mauling infants? Hint: There was a case recently where a pit bull ripped the face off a 3-year-old, and SJW’s raised $50,000 to save the dog, not to pay for the child’s reconstructive surgery!

          Similarly, can Blacks be said to have EARNED a bad reputation by 5X criminality, and riots when a thug self-Darwinates in an encounter with a cop?

        • rafaelborjas

          It’s about the individual, when one pops out of their mother, they have not personally done anything to contribute to the civilization that they are born into, like blacks and their poverty, therefore, they should not be treated harshly, and if they can do the work better than their competitors, they get the nod.

  11. James Schipper

    Dear Robert

    It is quite accurate that political correctness is an American invention and that Americans are a race-obsessed people. The US is a country that in less than half a century goes from a situation in which most blacks can’t sit beside a white on a bus, let alone marry one, to a situation in which a person with a rich immigrant father from Nigeria and a white mother can receive preferential treatment when applying to a university or for some good government jobs.

    That political correctness is mainly about race is illustrated by the fact that nobody seems to care that there are no Protestants on the American Supreme Court. When Sonia Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court, there was a big hoopla because she was the first Hispanic member of that body, and Hispanics in the US are perceived, quite inaccurately of course, as a separate race. She is really white, as you can see for yourself when you look at her picture.

    If she had been the first Greek-American, Polish-American or Portuguese- American to sit on the Supreme Court, it wouldn’t have been news at all. Diversity in the US means mainly racial diversity. Harvard sets aside 8% of its undergraduate places for “blacks”, but how many places does it reserve for, say, Mormons? “Blacks” is between quotes because many of these “black” students at Harvard aren’t all that black but can have more non-black than black ancestors.

    In racial matters, Americans are inclined to primitive binary thinking. In the past you were either black or white, and now you are either white or non-white. Suppose that we have 5 persons. One has 4 white grandparents, another has 3 white grandparents and one black grandparent, the third has 2 white and 2 black grandparents, the fourth has 3 black grandparents and one white grandparent, while the last one has 4 black grandparents. To a logical person there are 5 racial types here, but to most Americans there are only 2. To them there is one white and there are 4 blacks.

    Why does it matter? Well, if anyone with any non-white ancestry is classified as non-white, if all non-whites are entitled to preferential treatment and if there are more and more interracial marriages, then you may end up in a situation in which most of the population is entitled to preferential treatment at the expense of the minority of pure whites. If a country, rightly, allows interracial marriages, then it should abolish all official racial classifications.

    The rest of the world should draw one lesson from American racial policies: how not to do it.

    Regards. James

  12. EPGAH

    Only Whites seem to have “Good Intentions” enough to let savages into our countries, even after they already fucked up their own.
    China doesn’t, Russia doesn’t, even Moslem Cult countries don’t let fellow terrorist “refugees” in, possibly because they know what kind of scum they are. India is not a place people flee TO, it seems to be a place people flee FROM…

    Then these savages fuck up our countries, and if we resist, we’re the bigots. Moral superiority is fine&dandy, but we need to recognize survival comes first!

    The ones who bitch against “White Supremacy” and “White Privilege” live in a special bubble where no nonwhite who doesn’t behave even shows up on TV screens, much less getting attacked by one.

    Remember, a Conservative is just a Liberal who’s been mugged and/or raped once too often…and who does most of the mugging/raping?
    I vote we call it Susan Dlott Syndrome?

    • Jason Y

      Your forgetting the asshole policy of free trade and other stuff pushed on third world nations. Take Haiti, Bill Clinton devises some really ingenius plan (sarcasm) to send Arkansas rice to Haiti. The result is catastrophic as local farmers are driven off thier land, and possibly into a situation of emigration. Clinton, the idiot, later massively regrets the mistake.

      Basically the USA and other western nations are opposed to third world economic indepedence, hence the lower classes massively suffer and are forced to flee.

      • EPGAH

        I thought you said last month we have to feed the savages, it’s barbaric and “savage” to stop, right? Now all of a sudden you’re calling it an asshole move to force savages into economic dependence on their betters?

        Please make up your mind!

  13. Jason Y

    quote by Tulio

    You claim they are persecuted but look at all those wealthy whites living in glamorous neighborhoods in Cape town with ocean views. They don’t seem to bad off to me. Yeah, maybe a few out in the middle of nowhere run into trouble, but the same would happen to me if I went down there and was wandering around the countryside or near a township.

    Besides, whites created the apartheid society that led to this level of inequality and anger. Of course whites aren’t welcome taking over Africa anymore than blacks would be welcome taking over Europe.

    Yep, a lot of built up anger among blacks in SA.

    • Jason Y

      Let’s not also forget the root of the crime, one parent homes. It’s much more of a factor than the so called “aprthied past”. I mean, honestly, people forget pretty past. For instance, what blacks today really remember or care about Jim Crow?

      Doing something about AIDS orphans and the like would make great strides in cleaning SA up, and also bringing in tough color-blind law enforcement.

      Nonetheless, cyncially, I don’t think the solution will happen. Probablity based on facts and figures says no.

      • Tulio

        As for the lax law enforcement, that was likely a result of things being the opposite for so long. The pendulum has to sway widely in both directions before it settles in the middle.

        Anyway, I don’t live there, never been there and it’s not my problem to worry about.

        • EPGAH

          We’re not talking about lax law enforcement, we’re talking about savages IN UNIFORM HELPING the savages without uniforms rape and murder their hosts.

          You’ve never been there, and NOW you suddenly don’t want to worry about it?

        • Jason Y

          Whatever the case, it’s more “They reap what they sow.” You can’t have such a brutal regime like the former SA one without a backlash of some sort.

    • EPGAH

      Why did they stay if they’re so damn angry? Don’t go away mad, just go away?

  14. Jason Y

    I don’t live in a very tough world. It’s not like say like on the movie “The Road”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_(2009_film)

    In such a world, the people in it, of any race, are going to lie, cheat, steal, rob etc.. So you better be prepared.

    We don;t live in a world like on the Road now, mainly cause a lot of people have weapons and they’re are cops.everywhere. Note, these drug addicted people would cause a world like on the The Road if it were possible.

    • EPGAH

      Do you support keeping the drug addicts away from their victims? If so, do you mean a designated area for them, or prison?

  15. Jason Y

    quote by tulio

    Of course Africa belongs to blacks. You’re telling it doesn’t? Then where is the black man’s home? Are you trying to tell me Europe belongs to whites, and now Africa belongs to whites too?

    WHY, OF COURSE, African land belongs to Africans, after the whites have deemed it either too hot and/or lacking in valuable resources. 😆

    • KEEPTHERDWURLDMONGROLTEADCRUZOUTEOFWHAITHOUS

      RONG! GAYSON, WHAITES HAVE A RIGHT TO EVERYTHING. YOU WILL BE KILLED BY THERD WURLD MONGROLS IF YOU DONTE VOT FOR TROMP!!!!!!!

    • rafaelborjas

      I do it because, fuck, I can’t stand white supremacist fuckwits.

    • rafaelborjas

      my posts are all screwed up because somehow I got on the “banned” list, sometimes they don’t show up, so if my posts don’t make sense, you’ll now why.

  16. jacques

    “There is no real, potentially successful conspiracy against Whites in the West.”

    You just assert this, as if no argument were needed. I don’t know. Europe is being flooded with millions of mostly fighting age males from Islamic countries, under an obviously bogus ‘humanitarian’ pretext. Anti-White messages are pretty much universal and taken for granted in education, mass media and entertainment, and have been for decades. There is massive violent crime against Whites and in effect, ethnic cleansing; governments do nothing but deal harshly with any Whites who point out that Whites have rights and interests just like others.

    I could give some other examples, but the point is clear enough: these are policies and trends that seriously harm and endanger Whites and if continued with this kind of intensity over many generations, they would indeed come close to something like genocide. Is it really possible that all the elites in the west just happened to come up with these kinds of ideas and policies at the same time without having any intention of demoralizing and killing off Whites and taking their lands? I think if you’re going to say there is no conspiracy against Whites you need to at least address some of these points. Because it sure looks like there may be one.

  17. James Schipper

    Dear Robert

    I don’t agree that the words whites and blacks should be capitalized. They are common nouns, and capitalization should be reserved for proper nouns.
    In any case, capitalization is fairly arbitrary, which becomes apparent when we compare languages.

    English: Paul is a German Catholic man. He was born on a Monday in May.

    German: Paul ist ein deutscher katholischer Mann. Er wurde an einem Montag im Mai geboren.

    Dutch: Paul is een Duitse katholieke man. Hij werd op een maandag in mei geboren.

    Port: Paulo é um homem católico alemão. Ele nasceu numa segunda-feira em maio.

    I agree with the Portuguese spelling. Germans, Catholics, Mondays and Mays are all classes of being. Germany and the Catholic Church may be proper nouns, but Germans and Catholics are common nouns. Every week has a Monday, and every year has a May. They are not unique, and a proper noun is in principle unique.

    Although party members are also a class of beings, it often makes sense to capitalize them in order to differentiate between party members and believers in a political ideology. So, Republicans and Democrats are not the same as republicans and democrats. There is no need to capitalize liberals, conservatives, socialists, communists, libertarians if they refer to believers in an ideology.

    Regards. James

    • Oh I know. I just want them capped because this is a race blog and that’s one of the things I want on a race blog. Whether it is formally correct or not, I am not sure, but people cap Blacks and Whites everywhere on the Net and seem to get away with it. I need to stop capping communists and libertarians. I am going to keep capping Republicans and Democrats as party supporters since people do that everywhere and seem to get away with it.

      Some of the capping rules in English are a not more hard and fast and much more obeyed than others, which seem a bit wishy-washy.

  18. Jason Y

    Again ep-gah brings up the “John Wayne” word savage. However, so many savages are white where I live, that the idea it would exclusively belong to blacks or Mexicans is a joke.

    How can anyone segregate against savages when some of them are of your own kind?

    • Jason Y

      Again we have to realize that the more AIDS orphans etc.. that are created, then the more “savages” there will be in South Africa. Instead of segregating against people and other silly unfair and cruel stuff, why not try to address the root problem of why certain groups are savage to begin with?

      I mean how FUCKING STUPID would it be to have seperate bathrooms in the USA for blacks and whites nowadays? GET A CLUE.

      • Jason Y

        Or seperate water fountains or even BIBLES 😆 How about seperate toilet paper?

      • EPGAH

        The root problem is they’re not punished enough for bad behavior. As Robert so often gently hints, “Hobbes Was Right”. I don’t expect you to look up Hobbes the philosopher — or even the cartoon tiger — but the TLDR version is: A law without punishment will not be followed.

        Where’s the punishment for the savages rioting in Ferguson, or the ones that were given “Space To Destroy” in Baltimore? If they’re not punished, why WOULDN’T they throw more tantrums?

        GET A CLUE!

        • Latias

          You are naive to think that the riots are a black problem. In this thread, I have shown how whites, such as Ukrainians, can also riot.

        • EPGAH

          But that isn’t rioting, that’s attempted overthrow/secession of the Government. If you think we should treat Black Lies Matter the way Russia treated the secessionists (Or for that matter, the way AMERICA treated our secessionists), I’m all for it!

    • EPGAH

      Actually, “savage” predates John Wayne. In ancient times woods, forests, and other wild areas were frightening to many people who lived in towns and cities. Dangerous animals, like wolves and bears, lived in the wilds, and many humans who lived there were probably thought to be dangerous, too. The Latin word for “woods, forest” was silva, and from this came the adjective silvaticus, meaning “of the woods, wild.”

      Later, the Latin word silvaticus came to be spelled salvaticus, and this spelling appeared in the French of the Middle Ages as savage, meaning “wild, untamed.” Eventually it took on other meanings that city people associated with the forests: “cruel, brutal, fierce.” All of these meanings were carried over into English when the word was borrowed as savage.

      If you believe that John Wayne was around that long, someone needs to sell you an awful lot of bridges, and I would prefer it be myself.

      How can anyone segregate? How about by behavior? I ask you again “Do you support keeping the drug addicts away from their victims? If so, do you mean a designated area for them, or prison?”

      As to the root problem of why certain groups are savage to begin with, we’ve tried to improve Black behavior for over 400 years, and the best we can say is that in America, there’s ALMOST no cannibalism (Do a quick search on “Bath Salts” for the “almost” bit), and that they act better than in Papua. But they’re still not up to OUR standards.

      How will we fix the single mother problem, other than by NO LONGER SUBSIDIZING IT? Do you want to have chaperones for all the unmarried Black women who apparently can’t keep their legs together? That might “solve unemployment”, but how FUCKING STUPID would it be? GET A CLUE!

      • Latias

        That’s incredible racist and disgusting.

        By “improving black behavior”, you mean making them their behavior complaint and less disruptive to the current political economic and not challenge authority.

        • EPGAH

          I mean trying to make them less violent. Yes, by definition, that makes them more compliant and less disruptive, but how do you see those as bad things?

          As to white goals throughout history, I would say until we outlawed slavery, we had a motive of “Enslave Them Or They Enslave Us”, having just come off a 700 year stint of being enslaved by Moors in our own country, and not exactly looking forward to more of the same.

          But you cannot deny at least SOME visionaries wanted to civilize the savages. I don’t suppose you’re a fan of Rudyard Kipling’s “White Man’s Burden”, which basically said we would have to teach and punish, they would not be grateful by any definition of that term, but it would benefit them in the end.

      • Latias

        I think I was offended by the 400 years comment. It is one thing to hope that blacks would not behave like gangbangers and common thieves who steal cigars and instead try to be productive citizens within a capitalist society; it is another to presume that the white man throughout history had the magnanimous goal of “civilizing” blacks rather than exploiting them.

        • rafaelborjas

          Latias –

          As “Jason Y” dubbed it, EPGAH prescribes to “White nationalist mythology.” You can’t talk reason with him, I’ve tried doing so about the FACT that North East Asian and Ashkenazi Jews outperform Whites on all IQ test, the FACT that Boers did invade Xhosa land in South Africa, the FACTS that the U.S. is not ‘entirely feeding the third world’ and that nonsense.

          My advice to you is not to even bother, his cognitive dissonance is so bad it’s not even worth it. I once said he believed that Palestinians were Nordics (a way to justify liking them since they are victims of the Jews), and he didn’t deny it. He had previously claimed ALL Muslims were inbred.

        • rafaelborjas

          Okay, I didn’t mean for the layout of that comment to be so weird, it didn’t look like that before I said “post”, I swear!

        • EPGAH

          I ignored the post about Palestinians being Nordics completely, as you were obviously trolling.

          Yes, Jews and Asians do outperform whites on IQ tests. They’re good at linear thinking, AKA following rules, working within the lines at high speed. However, they suffer in creativity, and get around that by waiting for us to invent something, then stealing it.

          As to the land thing, how do you define ownership?
          South Africa was a white country, and the savages overthrew it. Do you deny this, or do you justify it?

          Jason was the one who claimed ALL Moslems are inbred. Of course, he did that as a way to excuse their behavior for the last 1400 years.
          Basically, going for a genetic version of the Insanity Plea.

  19. Latias

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/03/derrick_bell_controversy_what_s_critical_race_theory_and_is_it_radical_.html

    Derrick Bell and other legal scholars began using the phrase “critical race theory” in the 1970s as a takeoff on “critical legal theory,” a branch of legal scholarship that challenges the validity of concepts such as rationality, objective truth, and judicial neutrality. Critical legal theory was itself a takeoff on critical theory, a philosophical framework with roots in Marxist thought..

    Racism, according to this line of thought, is not a matter of bad behavior by individual racists; it’s embedded in American attitudes and institutions. Even with overt discrimination outlawed, institutional racism and unconscious biases—sometimes expressed through accidental slights, as when a white person praises a black person as “clean” and “articulate”—would keep minorities down

    It is trivial to say that Americans hold many racist attitudes.

    I don’t think Marxism is about being aggrieved about perceived microaggressions. Marxism is about the class struggle and the relationship of political power to the control of the means of production. A Marxist view of racism would say that the elites such foment racist attitudes to keep working classes divided and to prevent them from developing class consciousness.

    I believe that there is a “white privilege” in the sense that law enforcement tends to be more suspicious of blacks and that the judicial system tends to inflict greater criminal penalties on blacks.

  20. kareem

    A lot of these alt right folks are so unlikable that they don’t really inspire any sympathy whatsoever.
    You feel bad for a sick person wanting to be healthy, or a homeless person who just wants a roof over their head, or a kid who gets bullied and just wishes he had friends, things like that. There’s passivity and innocence there, it evokes empathy.
    Some white dude who that hates non-whites and women so much that he blames them for every issue in his life is pretty pathetic. Mirrors the way so many black people think that white supremacy is the root cause of every issue they face.

    • EPGAH

      OK, but why do WE have to provide that roof or pay for the healthcare?

      And do you deny that letting in more of the Third World makes the area they infest more like the Third World, and thus has certain consequences for the people who can’t afford to move out of the area?
      Such as lack of safety?

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