Basement and Ceiling Effects in IQ by Group

jm8 writes:

(I would think, if I understand) a genotypic iq of 70 implies a limit of 70 (or thereabout). A group with this genotypic IQ would not be able to raise its iq significantly above it (to 85, 93, or 100).

No. It’s not a limit as in a ceiling. It’s just a basement of floor. If you do not build on that low floor, that is not a good scenario and we can look around the Black world to see the effects of that. But if you build on it, you may be able to push it up pretty high because it started out so low.

No way would an 80 IQ group be so consistently scoring ~70. Look at how many times Blacks all over the place score ~70.

Pure US Blacks in the Deep South regularly score ~70. Scores of ~71-73 are regularly reported in the Caribbean. Many tests in Africa to this very day come back with scores 70 or even lower. A stunning number of tests come back in the 60’s. A group with an IQ profile like that must have a low genotypic IQ – there is no other explanation for all of those low scores. Nothing else makes sense. Look at groups ~80 IQ in Nepal, Qatar, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, and Afghanistan. Do you see them continuously returning scores ~70 or, God forbid, lower? Of course not.

That must be some sort of a genetic set.

I am starting to think that maybe the environment can push IQ or at least an IQ proxy up to a huge degree. It may also be that the lower you start out, the higher you can go. Maybe a 70 IQ group could gain 7-24 IQ points because they had so much “room to grow” so to speak. I am thinking that it might be hard to get a group that is already heavily maxed out like Whites at 100 to go much higher. How much higher do Whites go than 100? 105? Most of the brain may well be used up and there’s just not a whole lot of room for expansion so to speak.

How much higher can Asians go? Their genetic IQ seems to be ~105, but Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong are now at ~111. So they can push it up ~6 points under extreme optimal circumstances. However, Zhejiang Province in China returns IQ scores of 117! Whether there are some fancy genes or a special environment there is not known, but that province has long had stories about harboring the smartest people in China.

So the Oriental IQ can fairly regularly but not commonly be pushed up ~6 points and in rare cases all the way to 12 points. Maybe they tend to limit out at a 6 point raise because they are so high already that there is not a whole lot or room to expand so to speak. Maybe they are already ceilinged out. I think there definitely seems to be a ceiling effect for a lot of groups in terms of IQ. The genotypic IQ is just the basement. You can build on that. It’s a floor. If you want to go higher than that, you probably need to fancy up the environment. But the lower groups may actually have more room to grow than the higher groups who already seem to be more or less reaching the limits of what typical human IQ genes can do.

Think of students coming in to an introductory class about some subject. Blacks have a low basement. So that would mean that Blacks no nothing whatsoever about the subject. This is a problem, but think how much they can learn in the class, especially if they keep on studying that subject. They literally have a world to gain in terms of sheer learning.

Think of Whites and Asians as people coming into the class who have already read the book beforehand, had a tutor the summer before and have been studying the subject on their own for some time (self-taught). How much more can they learn? Obviously the Blacks will have a potential to learn so much more than the Whites and Asians who already know so much about the field that there is not a whole lot left to learn.

Further, keep in mind that the US Black IQ gained 7.5 points since 1920. That gives us a US Black IQ of 77.5 in 1920. I am not sure of the details, but I thought I heard that the White genes had been going into US Blacks at a pretty steady pace as long as they were here. So by 1920, US Blacks may already have been at 12-15+% White. If we figure that White genes add 1 IQ point for each 3-4 points of White admixture, then Blacks of 1920, with IQ’s of 77.5, have already added ~4-5 points due to White admixture of 13.5%.

Which brings us back to a base US Black IQ in 1920 of ~73, which is close to the 70 scores that are regularly returned form relatively pure Blacks in the Deep South and not coincidentally in the Caribbean and Africa.

There is no way to explain a US Black IQ of 77.5 in 1920 in any way other than a pretty low base.

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95 responses to “Basement and Ceiling Effects in IQ by Group

  1. Ryan

    You mean to tell me that the Ashkenazi Jews have been surpassed?

    A good conspiracy requires creativity. I don’t think the Chinese will be able to live up to the same lore as “The Jews.”

  2. “No way would an 80 IQ group be so consistently scoring ~70. Look at how many times Blacks all over the place score ~70.”

    Technically untrue if the environment is low (And no Jason, this contradicts nothing I said)

    http://pumpkinperson.com/2015/07/05/estimating-the-average-iq-of-sub-saharan-africa/

    http://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/15/iq-nutrition-disease-and-parasitic-load/

    And as far as I know, Genotypical IQ is possible. While that one Georgian study found the school children at 70iq, that likelihood would be consistent with the average of 80 in general that Lynn found.

    • For Southern Blacks.

      • Ryan

        From the same report I showed last time, Botswana teens (15 yo) seem to have gained 2 points in IQ, from 75 (1992) to 77 (2003).

        http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php#south

        That’s a full SD compared to the studies done in Mozambique.

        And then you have the 2004 study on black South African teens, also being about a SD less than Botswana.

        Botswana has an average of 76, while South Africa 67. This seems to be making a world’s difference.

        According to a 2016 BBC report:
        “Botswana, one of Africa’s most stable countries, is the continent’s longest continuous multi-party democracy. It is relatively free of corruption and has a good human rights record.”

        And the similarities between South Africa and Mozambique (Avg. IQ of 63) seems to be that about half of the black population are below the poverty line (I think SA is probably around 30-40%).

        I believe that Southern Blacks have an 80 potential. It just so happens that South Africa is a shit place to make that possible (surprisingly). Just from an outsider’s perspective, the faith of your country lies in hopes of DA control, else it goes down the toilet.

    • the 70 iq measure being part of a 70 iq portion of the south

  3. I “Guess” you can say it’s a basement in the sense that 70 would be the average IQ of a typical deprive Black population, but that wouldn’t be the Genotypical IQ though just the phenotypical.

  4. Brian Damage

    I agree that the environment has a significant impact on IQ and the basement genetic IQ can be raised by it. I think there is a limit to it though. In today’s economy where technology replaced many lower skilled jobs and some mid-skilled jobs, environmental IQ increases are not significant enough to give blacks and others from the traditional left side of the bell curve to thrive. I feel that an 100 IQ average may be just right 2-3 decades ago but today, 105-110 is needed just to get by.

    • Actually, while IQ is malleable in young age, it goes towards the genetic mean as they grow older. So technically, as far as I know, it isn’t possible to permanently raise IQ PAST the genetic mean.

      How environment works typically is raising it towards it’s actual mean when in a state of depravity from healthy conditions.

      • Jason Y

        Again some blacks, and maybe not just mixed ones, seem to reach a 100 IQ. For instance, how can you explain the African math graduate students I mentioned? Note, these guys were pretty black looking too. They didn’t looked mixed though that might not have really been the case.

      • Jason, the Scores of Africans were AVERAGES, meaning it is POSSIBLE for some to have scores that high.

        I DID give you a link talking abut immigrant IQs from Africa to the UK for instance being that high.

        • Jason Y

          Right but couldn’t a crappy environment, bad nutrition, and in some instances, preventable incest be the reason why the average is bad, rather than the average being good, as in say Japan?

        • “Right but couldn’t a crappy environment, bad nutrition, and in some instances, preventable incest be the reason why the average is bad, rather than the average being good, as in say Japan?”

          Well first of all incest, as far as records go, is only detrimental in Black muslim populations.

          Second, gene frequencies that correlated with IQ average hierarchy have already been talked about

          Third, Japan has gone through it’s own fair share of shit in the past but as never, as far as know, sunk as low as most African nations.

        • Jm8

          To Phil:
          Cousin marriage is not uncommon in (non-Muslim cultures in) Africa, though it varies greatly in prevalence. Even in cultures with (closer) cousin marriage taboos, if communities are small, inbreeding can occur (and disfavorable recessive traits accumulate) over time. Though (as I understand) much of this does not take long to reverse when more heterogenous unions (within the ethnic group) prevail.

        • Jason Y

          What Jm8 said was true. In some more backward areas across the world, you might see incest, and it’s massive negative effects. If there were enough sub-saharan Africans practicing incest, it could have a highly negative effect of keeping the IQ around 70. Fortunately, though, as mentioned, it’s easy to climb out of incest in a short period of time.

        • Jason Y

          I’m wondering also if the practice in some US black areas of black guys screwing every woman in sight could cause incest, and hence be keeping the IQ of Afro Americans down, in some instances.

        • Jm8

          Many of the West African Sahelian/Savannah groups that practice cousin marriage are non-Muslim/mostly so (though that region has more Muslims than some of the other regions listed) e.g.: the Senufo, Diola/Jula, (most-many) Bambara, Serer, Lobi and Birifor of North Ghana (The rest of the Ghanaian groups or course, especially being southern, are also non-Muslim.). Many of the the Muslim groups still contain pagan/only partly-Islamised elements/segments.

        • Jm8

          correction: by “Diola/Jula” I meant Diola/Jola (of coastal Senegal). The Diula(also known as Jula) of Mali(who are also listed under “Mali”), are Muslim(unlike the Diola), and the two speak basically unrelated (but Niger Congo) languages(Jula is “Mande”, Jola is “Atlantic”).

        • Jm8

          The Wodaabe are also non-Muslim.

        • “What Jm8 said was true. In some more backward areas across the world, you might see incest, and it’s massive negative effects. If there were enough sub-saharan Africans practicing incest, it could have a highly negative effect of keeping the IQ around 70. Fortunately, though, as mentioned, it’s easy to climb out of incest in a short period of time.”

          By “only detrimental” I misspoke since I was basing it off of the Data by HBDChick.

          Now, my opposition in the pass was based on you (Jason) never shown data yourself on the matter.

          “I’m wondering also if the practice in some US black areas of black guys screwing every woman in sight could cause incest, and hence be keeping the IQ of Afro Americans down, in some instances.”

          Until data is present, we can not presume anything.

        • And Again Jason, SES to IQ. The Gap widens.

          Also, when I say HBDChick’s data, I meant I misread her comments.

          So we have inbreeding, parasite load, malnutrition in Sub Saharan Africa, all true.
          http://www.anthropology.ua.edu/bindon/ant275/presentations/RaceandIQ.pdf

  5. edtitan77

    I’m a “pure black” and I have the 23&me results to prove it. My parents are from Ghana as opposed to being descended from US slaves.

    I guess the problem I have with such theories is that my own family background seems to dispel. Both sides of my family are of no particular renown or achievement in Ghana. At best my paternal relatives were local village leaders. Yet both of my parents completed high school in Ghana & found a way to get to the USA. In time more relatives came. The performance of my relatives run the gamut but many including myself are highly educated professionals. Our performance isn’t unusual compared to the other Ghanaian families I know intimately where most members are doing well.

    So I’m not so sure about this IQ ceiling argument.

    • Define “ghanian” because it could be just a trait from the region your family traditional comes from.

      With that said, do you have any info on things like SAT scores your parents achieve or career record?

      It’s just that we don’t get alot of Blacks, let alone direct African descent aside from Ryan above, involved in this, so your imput on this topic seems very interesting.

      • My family are members of the Akan ethnic group from the Ashanti region. I don’t think my parents have ever taken the SATs my father is a cab driver and although my mother is a RN she went to community college first.

    • Jason Y

      Possibly edtitan77 came from a good environment, even though it was of a more humble origin. Again, environment and nutrition may have been a massive cause, and probably incest isn’t practiced where he lives.

      If he’s a successful person from his area, then what are the traits of the unsuccessful from the same area in Ghana?

      • Well we know too little about his situation to make any real conclusion from my side or your side.

        Two, it IS possible that his family could’ve achieved more had it not been for infrastructural restriction across Africa thus prompting immigration.

      • Actually, he said that his family was affiliated with local leaders. Even higher end people of a local status are likely to have higher IQs as well as their families.

        “Both sides of my family are of no particular renown or achievement in Ghana. At best my paternal relatives were local village leaders.”

        • Jason Y

          So that’s a good environment. That would be like saying someone came from a church-going environment in an otherwise horrible area.

        • That ALSO suggest better genes as well, which lead to a better environment.

        • Jason Y

          A better environment produces better genes thru the Flynn effect.

        • “A better environment produces better genes thru the Flynn effect.”

          That a lie Jason and you know it. The Flynn Effect, in it explanation, was described as a ENVIRONMENTAL based increase due to the decrease in depravities, not the increasing in IQ mutations.

      • Increasing in IQ mutation typically results from a natural environment (not a artificial one) that stimulates intelligence and a large population.

        Explain otherwise via source. BTW, you are contradicting yourself, not placing much on genes in the past either for behavior or intelligence but NOW you are.

      • I was born and raised in the USA, in the Northern VA area to be exact. So I guess it’s a good environment. I spent the first 18 years in a low income housing development which housed mostly immigrants. I did attend Catholic School through the sixth grade but transferred to public schools. The public schools I attended are generally considered the worst in Northern Virginia.

        • Yet you became a professional despite your early obstacles. And, not to be rude in any fashion, with your parents being qualifying immigrants in the U.S that can tell us that they were likely exceptional among other from West Africa in the United states, though not necessarily elite.

          You said your family was associated with a village, so did they came from more of a rural Background than Urban? with that said, what particular area of Ghana?

  6. Robert, do you think we’re going to see a Revolution? Can the Judeo-Anglo-American system be destroyed?

  7. Gay State Girl

    Don’t understand how the HBD libertarians or White Nationalists can align themselves with the religious right especially in regards to their stance on abortions. Especially as the abortion helps reduce the number of people on state aid as well the toxic underclass.

    • I suppose they would prefer sterilization, by choice of course (but often persuaded with benefits).

      • Gay State Girl

        Or via vaccines🙂 especially gardasil. Yeah I’m one of those conspiracy whacks.

        • Meh, I’ve actually made cordial exchanges with some of the more “tolerant” WNs, so that not especially uncomfortable to me.

          Hell, I would rank Anti-vaccination among the more rational conspiracy theories.

          Robert made a post saying how you’ll have tough time in the internet if you can’t tolerate the ideologies of others. It was posted I believe around the time I started here but (august or september I think) but can’t find it at the moment.

        • Gay State Girl

          Thanks for that. When you dig deep enough into the history and practices medical establishment, it will take you to a very scary place.

      • Jason Y

        In reality someone asking people to get sterilized would get a big “fuck you” if anything. First of all, “The nerve to say that I’m inferior,” lol

        OK, ask some people to quit chain smoking around 3 year olds, and see the response. They literally feel no guilt about their behavior, and will often point out your negative behavior in an attempt to justify thiers. Saying, “Oh look at what you do! You want to tell me how to live?”.

    • BTW, I of course adhere to neither solution in particular, more inclined towards stricter discipline and more diversified social intervention that isn’t so environmental claiming that they have an equal chances of achievement.

      • Jason Y

        Note that most of these race realists, have a clear vision of what needs to be done. However, it’s only possible by massive authoritarian rule, which so many people don’t want, including many white nationalists.

        If the government can sterilize, then mark my word, they can take your hunting rifle also. They can do anything they want, just as much as under a Communist regime.

      • Actually, while sterilization is popular, the ore moderate who propose it wants it to be voluntary on behalf of blacks, but persuaded through benefits.

        • Jason Y

          The assumption that blacks need to be sterilized is incredibly racist. In our massively sensitive polticially correct world it would run into massive opposition. In fact, it just couldn’t happen.

          First of all, people might point out why these government jerk-offs cannot impove public education, and now they want to sterlize us ???? The nerve, hmmmm.

        • That pretty much why even they believe it would never happen.

      • Nonetheless, there is of course many who would enforce how you describe.

        • Jason Y

          Over my dead redneck body, lol I mean really. There all kinds of people massively paranoid of the government as it is, including those Confederate flag flyers I mentioned in another thread.

  8. kareem

    The argument of whether how much of IQ is malleable vs how much of is static seems more interesting than debate than the heredity vs environment debate.

    • I agree, the latter is pretty much drivel, with enormous evidence towards a a high amount of intelligence attributed to genes but environment to a certain degree.

      Malleability in IQ in young age has been observed in both Blacks and Whites alike (at least, we can reasonably speculate that the average African American child living in good conditions has a higher IQ before maturation decreases it due to heritability) yet it would be interesting to see if some method can be done to preserve the gains.

      I believe that the better heritability of whites is linked to them having better neotony (resemblance to younger form) , so developing ways to slow down Black maturation to the same level as whites artificially could be a pretty tame way (at least compared to other commonly propose soltuions based on HBD) to closing the gap (believe down to 90 vs 100).

      • Jason Y

        Your forgetting the environment still massively sucks for most blacks in Africa and the US. Even in the US, with it’s massive wealth, in many cases they’ve not been able to provide a good environment.

        Even where I lived in a white rural area, so many parents were neer do wells, who had neer do well kids. So you see, the environment, with the exception of being less violent than the ghetto, wasn’t good for learning.

        Most of the kids just wanted to goof around, or stare like fish all day to some pompous teacher lecturing them on why they should try harder.

        • Jason Y

          A high school education in the mostly white area I live is a fucking joke😆 You might get some education at university, if you make it there, and so many people just go straight into the workforce.

        • “Your forgetting the environment still massively sucks for most blacks in Africa and the US.”

          Okay, Africa is of course a likely canindate bute the environmental restraints in MOST us Blacks are unlikely to raise the IQs that high.

          And, as I shown you with the SES chart, The gap gets WIDER as you go up.

          “Even in the US, with it’s massive wealth, in many cases they’ve not been able to provide a good environment.” While shortcomings maybe existent, it is MUCH better than Africa.

          “Even where I lived in a white rural area, so many parents were neer do wells, who had neer do well kids. So you see, the environment, with the exception of being less violent than the ghetto, wasn’t good for learning.”

          Well one, heritable behavioral genetics.

          “Most of the kids just wanted to goof around, or stare like fish all day to some pompous teacher lecturing them on why they should try harder”

          I refer to my statement above.

        • Jason Y

          I doubt it. Your saying these lazy white kids in my “Beevis and Butthead” school have bad genetics? Yeah right, lol They’re just lazy, mainly cause their parents don’t stress doing homework etc..

          I don’t think their parents are retarded, nor are they. That’s just the culture from where I live at. See, the race realists want genetic explanations for everything, even common sense stuff which obviously points to culture and the environment.

        • “I doubt it. Your saying these lazy white kids in my “Beevis and Butthead” school have bad genetics? Yeah right, lol They’re just lazy, mainly cause their parents don’t stress doing homework etc..”

          https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/the-son-becomes-the-father/

          “I don’t think their parents are retarded, nor are they. That’s just the culture from where I live at. See, the race realists want genetic explanations for everything, even common sense stuff which obviously points to culture and the environment.”

          There intellect could be find, but personality could’ve serious compromise the use of their intellect.

        • Jason Y

          So your saying personality is an inheritable problem? Is it? The more likely candidate is parents who don’t push their kids in school, who let their kids lead a rebellious lifestyle, often cause the parents also have non-inheritable issues maybe coming from thier own parents.

          For instance, in the Bible, it mentions family curses. These curses were not genetic, but simply a reflex action when generations of a family continually choose the “bad path”.

        • It’s not just me “saying so”, but I also linked to you EVIDENCE.

        • Jason Y

          Generally, the son copies the dad, but things over time can change. For instance, a son might rebel against a neer do well dad and choose to make something of himself. You could also see the opposite, a son rebelling against his father and becoming a hippie or something.

          Right there could be a genetic pattern, but i don’t think it’s as serious as incest, and also a better environment might make the example of a neer do well dad less appealing for the son.

        • Jason Y

          Perhaps the battle here is simply to break people out of the mode of rebelliousness and “neer do well” culture. Because if they adopt a really hell-raising middle finger culture, then they’ll probably choose bad mates and natural selection will ruin the gene pool.

          However, considering these folks are stubborn anyway, your not going sterilize them. What’s left? Kill them, lol?

          Again the Bible idea of generational curses seems to be saying the same thing. However, people can break out of the curse and slowly turn things around. So again it seems, nutrition, environment, incest and possibly a stubborn rebelliousness would be making IQ go down.

        • Jason Y

          Of course though, being a rebel isn’t always bad. It can lead to a lot of cool stuff and ways to expand humanity’s thinking. Nonetheless, when somebody becomes a rebel in the sense of refusing education, and sound parental advice (say on drug use or something), then they become a drain on society, and often a drain on parents.

          If only they could rebel and then mind their own business, but they always end up on the steps of “Ozzy and Harriet” parents, becoming parasites of thier hard earned money.

        • It is technically possible for a son to differ behaviorally from his father, I’ll give you that, but it’s not always the case that they can assimilate into a better culture.

  9. Jm8

    “Look at groups ~80 IQ in Nepal, Qatar, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, and Afghanistan. Do you see them continuously returning scores ~70 or, God forbid, lower?:”

    South Asia has a lower disease burden (of iq-depressing diseases like malaria, hookworm, and several others) than Africa. And many estimates of Africa are closer to 76 than 70 (I understand that Winchert’s 81 score is disputed.).

    The disease burden levels of south Asian are similar to many places in the Caribbean. Many of these caribbean islands have measured iq’s in the 80s or closer to 80(according to Jason Malloy’s more accurate analyses), rather than 70/low 70s. Jamaica for instance, scores 81, rather than 72 (not far from the low 80’s scores usually given for India and Pakistan).
    for example; Jamaica
    http://humanvarieties.org/2013/03/01/hvgiq-jamaica/
    Some earlier Caribbean iq re-estimates (at the “Occidentalist” blog, renamed)
    https://z139.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/caribbean-national-iq-re-estimates/

    • Jm8

      Apparently it is possible for white groups to score in the 70’s, due (mostly) to environmental depressors (though it has been admittedly less common , at least in the modern era.)
      Blacks and whites both scored very low (perhaps until recently, but very recent scores are lacking) in the Cayman Islands.
      http://humanvarieties.org/2013/02/07/hvgiq-cayman-islands/
      I may remember reading something about British canal children (and maybe a few other poor white groups) scoring in this range in the 19th-(and/or)early 20th century as well.

    • Jm8

      In many cases (my second link) the more mixed Caribbean countries (like; Puerto Rico, The Dominican republic, Belize) do not score higher, or they score lower, than more black ones (such as; Dominica, the Bahamas, Barbados, Jamaica).

  10. Jason Y

    Excuse me Robert, but you mentioned Pakistan, where 70 percent practice first cousin marriage. Of course, that’s the main death stab to IQ there, with the enviornment coming second.

    Incest may even play a major role in IQ depression in other areas you mentioned, but it would require research to find out. Of course, on top of that is a terrible enviornment. For instance, in India, which you speak negatively of, the Hindus have no interest in helping anyone weaker intellectually. Probably in the rural south USA, the rednecks have no interest in helping blacks, just as they never did in the past (giving them inferior schools, if any at all, or even forbidding to read as during slavery).

  11. Jm8

    But it could also be that different groups are more or less vulnerable to different environmental depressors than others (perhaps related to the iq basement idea). Ron Unz proposed something similar a while ago (that East Asians might be less susceptible to certain environmental depressors.).

  12. Rowlii

    First, sorry for my bad english (i am french)

    I just have a question : considering the critical situation in africa can we imagine that the natural selection is ongoing there (intelligence selection) ?

    • Likely not, since a lot of the upper crust is are moving to different nations and likely have much of the best genes to select with.

      However, if you account for some ethnic groups who are doing well and don’t need to immigrate then they are likely getting better However I’m unsure.

      • Rowlii

        Thanks for your answer. So natural selection it’s definitely over?

        • Well, not really.

          It’s just that modern infrastructure is a different environment than say, in early agricultural times.

          Say, if you were a third world nation (like many modern African ones) and you were trying to progress it would be hard without implementing, say, some sort of restriction towards those of lower intellect.

          However, if someone were to implement a social intervention that is eugenic, e.i it is good for genes and not necessarily unethical, or improve the environment from depressors of IQ (Disease, malnutrition) then it would improve.

          However, with either one I doubt their would be any progress with a cooperative government however I heard of some altruistic actions in Africa but how the will progress I’m unsure.

          And again, if you have some exceptional ethnic groups that are mainly domestic then they will likely progress.

        • Natural selection is not over in humans. It’s probably never over. Even the horrific AIDS epidemic may be having some pretty serious genetic effects on some of those populations. As an example, natural selection towards more progressive phenotypes has been ongoing in US Blacks and Whites since the Revolutionary War.

        • EPGAH

          Our medicine is stopping natural selection in Africa, and causing MASSIVE overpopulation.

          http://tpr.org/post/unicef-report-africas-population-could-hit-4-billion-2100

          They’re not smart enough to stop breeding now that Lord Darwin no longer prunes the excess, and they don’t NEED spares anymore. Or maybe they don’t care, a sort of sociopathic, “As long as someone else is subsidizing it, why SHOULDN’T we breed more!”?

        • rafaelborjas

          Well, EPGAH, if it makes you happy, global climate change is going to very adversely effect Black peoples in Africa. Crop changes are going to be key as well, many are going to die (European crops will thrive, with mixed results in America):

          http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/projected-impact-of-climate-change

          Does anyone here entertain the notion that we humans are too smart/too evolved and involved in our world and are going to destroy it. In a way Whites/Westernized people are fighting natural selection, and the uncivilized ones are the best hope of humanity.

          “blessed are the meek, for he shall inherit the earth”
          -Jesus Christ

        • Hi Rafael. One space between each paragraph please. And one space before and after each link.

          TIA.

    • Hi you are certainly welcome to post on the site if you like.

      I doubt if there is much natural selection occurring there right now, though there has been some serious natural selection occurring in US Blacks for 150 years towards more progressive phenotypes and possibly even higher intelligence. There has been similar natural selection going on with US Whites for a longer period of time.

  13. Rowlii

    Thanks for your answers. In Africa there is almost no medicine. So i imagine that “progressive phenotype” and intelligent people are more likely to live longer and have more children.

  14. Rowlii

    I also doubt that retarded people can survive there and reproduce them.

    • You are thinking of organic retardation, which are born with defects. Natural low IQ populations in Africa are Familiarly retarded and are functional.

      • Santoculto

        This “primitive” types were the super smart during “pre” historical period. People should have more respect with them.

        The trivial gifted today is likely that will be the average Joey in the future. We are talking about a fluid event, evolution and not just a static macro event.

        And we are talking about demographic proportion/prevalence. Average have two concepts. Average because they are demographically prevalent and average because they tend to display average cognitive and/or intellectual capacity.

  15. Rowlii

    Ok thanks but how can somebody who is retarded can be functional ?

  16. Rowlii

    So despite of the “R strategy” and due to the absence of welfare state, the “less functional” people must have more difficulty to survive enough to reproduce them.

    • While they don’t have welfare to to rely on, they do have the advantage of having poor police to restrain them from commiting crime, a strategy to gain resources.

      Also, consider that they often reproduce at an earlier age than others.

  17. S.D.

    Chinese success in the Philippines as a market minority is the finest example of this.

    Most Filipinos are not terribly bright and their poverty-both material and spiritual makes things worse.

    As a result thrifty Chinese dominate the economy and become billionaires.

    A 15 point IQ variant between a host population and a small ethnic group usually creates a market-dominant minority.

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