The Flynn Effect in Blacks Is Ongoing

Jason Y: “Mark my word though, that a bad environment will see NO improvement even over a 1000 years!”

Phil: You forgot something, time is a resource. Second, it’s been noticed in the “Flynn effect” with Blacks that it stopped.

According to my latest information from Bermuda, the Bahamas, Dominica, Kenya, the US and the UK, the Flynn Effect, or whatever it is, is ongoing in Blacks.

Blacks now match Whites on an IQ proxy in the UK, and Half-Black mulattos now match Whites on an IQ proxy in Bermuda.

And in the Bahamas, more or less pure Blacks (9% White) seem to have made some serious IQ gains. Their IQ’s are now 93, whereas on a genetic basis, we might expect an IQ of ~78 or even lower. There also appear to have been actual IQ rises in the UK and Bermuda among Blacks and mulattos respectively.

These three cases actually expand on the Flynn Effect because the FE was previously simply showing rising IQ’s for all races, and while Black IQ’s were going up a lot, White IQ’s were going up by the same amount, so there was no closing of the B-W gap, and there was no actual rise in relative IQ.

In the Bahamas, there was a 15 point gain in relative IQ, that is, Blacks closed 15 pints of the B-W IQ gap.

In the UK, there was a 14 point relative IQ gain, and Blacks closed a 14 point B-W IQ gap.

In Bermuda, there was a 12 point gain in relative IQ, that is, Blacks closed a 12 point B-W IQ gap.

In the US, Dominica, and Kenya, we are still seeing Flynn rises among Blacks, but in the US and possibly in the other two places, there has nevertheless been no closing of the B-W gap.

While it benefits Blacks to get smarter, if Whites are rising at the same rate, some of the gains and all of the relative gains are wiped out.

After all, if there is a tiger chasing both of us, I don’t have to be faster than the tiger. I simply have to be faster than you.

With both Black and White IQ’s rising in tandem, the effect is simply one of an IQ arms race where neither side is gaining on the other while both become more heavily armed.

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84 responses to “The Flynn Effect in Blacks Is Ongoing

  1. Jm8

    I was under the impression that the Flynn effect had stopped in at least some first world countries. The Bahamian iq is 93, but the white British/American iq is still about 98-100, its it not?

  2. Jm8

    I think you might have meant “and Half-Black mulattos now match Whites on an IQ proxy in Bermuda.”

    And thank you for writing this post. I was thinking of writing something similar in a comment.
    Re: Flynn effect in 1st work countries:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Possible_end_of_progression
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#IQ_group_differences

  3. Jm8

    The Bahamas has a much lower rate of malaria than many other poor tropical places (e.g.: in the Caribbean, S. Asia, and esp. Africa), and than it did in the past. But it still has a fairly high overall disease burden(close to parts of south Asia, much lower than Africa), including hookworm(albeit lower than much of the third world), which can be reduced with improved sanitation/lifestyle changes, and can(according to some evidence) lower iq if contracted in childhood).
    http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index.php?
    option=com_content&view=article&id=15991:children-and-worms&catid=35:health-a-wellness
    “Hookworms are very prevalent in The Bahamas. Children walking barefoot, or playing in damp areas are the most likely to become infected”

    Human Intelligence and Medical Illness: Assessing the Flynn Effect
    By R. Grant Steen
    https://books.google.com/books?id=7s1DP4PYH_4C&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=hookworm+and+iq&source=bl&ots=_LTc_97I8-&sig=KSmOd3aeYKgkq5jLSfQtHANTFzE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTvYb5jPrLAhUDQSYKHf1lCCsQ6AEIPTAE#v=onepage&q=hookworm%20and%20iq&f=false

  4. Steve Jackson

    What’s the evidence for the high IQ of blacks in the Bahamas? That would be quite remarkable (IQ of 90)?

  5. Steve Jackson

    I don’t get the impression that 93 is the score of blacks from reading this post.

  6. john clarke

    According to Wikipedia the Bahamas is 83% black 15% white and two percent who knows what.

    So that would put the black IQ at 87 to ,90 which is higher than expected but still consistent with a hereditariian approach.

  7. john clarke

    With the white population of Bahamas being fifteen percent and Asian two percent that would put black IQ in high 80s. That’s still consistent with hereditariian.

    • Jm8

      Assuming a black iq of 85 and a white iq of 100, a 50/50 black/white country would average about 92. A 3/4 black and 1/4 white one would average 88.75. A 1/8 white, 7/8 black one would average 86.8.
      The white fifteen percent is unlikely to add much
      Since the white fraction of the population is slightly more than 1/8, the black iq there would probably be 90 at the lowest, possibly more.

      • Jm8

        …would probably (currently) be 90 at the lowest, possibly more i.e. 91-2.
        It is significant that the blacks of the Bahamas have less European ancestry that those of the US.

        • Jm8

          Assuming a black iq of 87 and a white iq of 100, a 1/8 white , 7/8 black country would have an iq of 88.6 (lower than the Bahamas’ 93 score).

          “With the white population of Bahamas being fifteen percent and Asian two percent”

          The small two percent that is neither black nor white, is probably a mixture of mulattos and Asians(including South Asians), as is usually the case in Caribbean islands of the group that identifies as neither black nor white (Mulattos in the Caribbean do not typically identify as black.). This population segment (with the aforementioned composition) would not be expected to raise the iq, according to the conventional hereditarian schema.

        • Jm8

          edit: “…would not be expected to raise the iq (with such a small fraction), according to the conventional hereditarian schema.”

        • Jm8

          Assuming a black iq of 89 and a white iq of 100, a 1/8 white , 7/8 black country would have an iq of 89 (also lower than the Bahamas’ 93 score).

        • Jm8

          correction: “Assuming a black iq of 89 and a white iq of 100, a 1/8 white , 7/8 black country would have an iq of 90.3-90.4….”

        • Jm8

          …The above (90.3) being less than the 93 score

      • Jm8

        According to another, and probably more accurate, source (derived from the 2010 census), the white fraction is even smaller at about 5 %:
        (The 15% white figure corresponds to a wikipedia article,from which it was probably taken, whose citation for the claim traces to a dead link.).

        “black 90.6%, white 4.7%, black and white 2.1%, other 1.9%, unspecified 0.7% (2010 est.)”
        “African (90.6%), or mixed African with other races (2.7%). 4.7% of the population is European, 0.4% Asian and 0.2% East Indian.”
        http://www.indexmundi.com/the_bahamas/demographics_profile.html

        As I guessed, the “neither black nor white” (roughly) 2% includes mulattos but they are all of the 2% rather than part of it, and Asians are a much smaller percent.)

  8. Jason Y

    The difference between 93 for the black IQ in bermuda and 100 for the white IQ in the US, is pretty much saying they have the same iQ. There just isn’t that much of a difference.

    The whole fantasy that race realists have conjured up doesn’t have a solid foundation.

    • Again, BS, because the Bermuda Blacks have a significant white ancestry.

      • Jason Y

        So, you were going on and on about how mixed kids were a bad thing, and now your making a contradiction, accepting the idea white blood improves IQ.

        • Jason Y

          OK so you say white blood improves IQ, yet in another post, you point out poverty sticken Brazil which has so many mixed people. However, then again, you can’t generalize all non-white Brazillians as being on the movie “City of God”. That’s like saying all Afro-Americans live in South Central LA.

        • I never said it DIDN’T INCREASE IQ.

          “OK so you say white blood improves IQ, yet in another post, you point out poverty sticken Brazil which has so many mixed people. However, then again, you can’t generalize all non-white Brazillians as being on the movie “City of God”. That’s like saying all Afro-Americans live in South Central LA.”

          The point is that Brazil is mixed between three races with poor gene deletion, with the vices and pro of the races still preserved thus having colorism. In Brazil it is often, but not always the case, of those with substantial white ancestry to reach economic success.

          Bermuda is those of African descent mixed with European genes, NOT the entire country being mixed.

        • In other words, The “low IQ” trait of Blacks remains in the population, along with pathological traits AND similar traits from Native Americans though to a lesser severity.

        • Jason Y

          In other words, The “low IQ” trait of Blacks remains in the population, along with pathological traits AND similar traits from Native Americans though to a lesser severity.

          The term IQ is misleading. A person’s failure could probably more be a result of laziness, assuming the environment wasn’t bad. You got tons of YouTube videos on math, programming etc.. There are tons of ways to get academic scholarships for vocational or academic education.

          Ulimately, unless the environment is terribly bad, people dig thier own grave with thier own lazy or irresponsible choices.

        • Jason Y

          Maybe people who suck at stuff are going into the wrong field. Say some amerindian or black is bad at math. Maybe that’s not his strength. Why not go into something they’re better at? Perhaps if they are witty or something they should go into theater or English. As far as blacks go, so many are good at music, so why not major in music?

        • Okay, first of all IQ retains to not just ability to do academic skills but OVERALL functioning is indeed correlated with IQ.

          Second, really music? That sort of one of those things that, well, only a fraction could truly succeed at and make a decent living.

          Also, LAZINESS is a behavior, which I already told you was also heritable. Along with that, I already said personality was important.

        • Jason Y

          quote by phil

          Also, LAZINESS is a behavior, which I already told you was also heritable. Along with that, I already said personality was important.

          Laziness isn’t a choice? That’s interesting. Please exapand. Of course, I don’t agree in the least bit.

        • Laziness is a disposition, and it does vary in which not ALL are the same level of lazy.

          https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/more-behavioral-genetic-facts/

          Hell, it now somewhat aware that people have a limit on how happy they could be.

          There are various psychological terms with a genetic basis, so why not personality to an extent?

        • Tulio

          I’m pretty sure laziness is an inborn trait. I’m lazy. And I’ve struggled with it since I was a kid. I hate being lazy but no matter how hard I try, I can’t help it. I’ve thought long hard about what laziness is and I’m convinced that it’s not a character flaw. It’s just a perpetual low-energy state. I’m just a low-energy guy period. I’m not one of those people that springs out of bed at the crack of dawn. I have to drag myself out of bed. I have to drag myself to the gym. I have to force myself to do anything that spends a lot of physical or mental energy. Sure, you can work against your tendencies just like people predisposed to weight gain can still be fit if they make an extra effort, but they are battling their own genetics. That’s how I feel it is with laziness. I’m constantly having to fight my own low-energy state.

          I’ve also carefully watched people that are highly motivated, hard-working and accomplished. I think it’s just their disposition and they are high-energy people. Maybe they have high metabolisms. But these are the people who leap out of bed at 5 am and do a 5 mile jog, cook breakfast, take the kids the school and are at work in the time I’m hitting the snooze button the alarm. They seem amped up always ready to get something done. I often envy their energy levels because I don’t have it.

          I’ve come to just accept what I am and not feel bad about it.

    • I find it funny how you have actually refuted squat but still pretend you have some sort of valid position, whatever that is.

      On one hand, you say IQ is meaningless because etc.
      the other, you say it due to environment
      the third is because of Inbreeding
      the fourth that even if it low it’s still “better”.

      I’m sorry, who’s living in a fantasy Jason?

      • Jason Y

        Hey, this article was written by Robert, not me. Why not take some shots at him? Don’t worry, you won’t get banned.

        • I’m not talking about the article, I’m talking about you claiming that this “debunks” the race realist position.

        • Jason Y

          Isn’t Robert sort of taking my side in this article? He’s saying the Flynn effect is on going, while you deny it.

        • In my comment to Jm8 in this section, I was referring towards US Blacks. Second, most literature on IQ outside this Blog had noticed that the IQ rise in U.S Blacks is nonetheless slower than previously, likely coming to and end soon stopping in the mid to high 80’s.

          Third, while I stand correct on a complete stop for Black IQ rising, my comment in this thread was AGAINST your conclusion that this debunks HBD as a whole.

        • The Flynn Effect is cruising right along in both US Whites and US Blacks. The cases of FE stopping or even reversing are in North Europe such as Norway, the Netherlands and the UK.

          However, despite consistently rising Black IQ’s, US White IQ’s appear to be rising in tandem, so we end up with an IQ arms race where everyone is getting more heavily armed via IQ but the gaps in IQ armament are not reducing.

        • EPGAH

          Reversals in Norway, Netherlands, and UK…Aren’t those the places where invading savages are becoming more populous than the Civilized World people who are supposed to be there?

          You don’t suppose there could be some causality there, do you?

      • Jason Y

        It’s not a good idea to have 70 percent 1st cousin marriage as in Pakistan. Well, no duh… Also, the environment plays a heavy role in iQ, assuming inbreeding, which is terribly destructive, is not going on.

        • I never said inbreeding wasn’t bad either, what I’m against is you labeling so many reason for low towards Inbreeding. Also, I thought you said that IQ is misleading in the other thread?

          And again, I NEVER SAID environment doesn’t matter, all I did was point out it role and indication.

    • Jason Y

      Anyhow, if the enviornment isn’t improved you won’t see much improvement for many blacks, or many whites for that matter. Sadly kids will born into one parent homes and will be forced to breath chain smoking etc… In many cases, the parents won’t raise the kids but will rather dump them on grandparents etc.. who can.

      • Alright Jason, a few points.

        The environment depravity in the US is DIFFERENT from third world versions. You can make arguments with the latter, but the facts are that if we are to put in resources to raise IQ then exactly WHAT and HOW?

        Who is going to go in, take the kids to a safer environment, and support them mentally and physically? Adoption or centers of the like? Show me Data concerning African Americans or other depraved people.

        The POINT of many being against environment is because it has NOT been addressed clearly nor shown promising results yet and quite frankly ISN’T worth the effort.

        AND AGAIN, there is the behavior aspect of Blacks as well.

        • Jason Y

          OK, you have a point. Who is going to improve the environment? In many cases it’s impossible. All I was saying was, that if the environment could be improved, then IQ would go up

          However, your typical white supremacists or race realist has no interest in helping the environment of anyone with a disadvantage, unless your talking about deporting Mexicans so some uneducated lazy white guy can finally get a job.

        • http://pumpkinperson.com/

          “OK, you have a point. Who is going to improve the environment? In many cases it’s impossible. All I was saying was, that if the environment could be improved, then IQ would go up”
          In most cases, yes.

        • EPGAH

          Getting rid of the bad IS improving the environment! There is no other way! You could clean the BUILDINGS until Disco comes back, but they’d shit it back up again–usually a lot faster than you could clean it!

    • Jm8

      The black iq in Bermuda is (probably) about 98-100, but the Bermudans are likely (on average) significantly mixed; Robert Lindsay believes about 45-50% white and the rest black (I suspect they may be a little less white, but there is no proof of that yet and he may be right.) But this would (if the score is valid) imply a non-mixed black potential Bermudan iq of at least about 93 or so.
      The black Bahamian iq is probably about 90-92(at this time). Remaining iq depressors are not out of the question there, since some diseases like hookworm, which can lower iq (but not the, likely more iq-depressing malaria, that is more common elsewhere in the tropics but now rare in the Bahamas) are still common there.

      • Jm8

        “but there is no proof of that yet”
        which is to say, no proof yet of my hunch/suspicion

      • Do we know how mixed with Whites Blacks were 100 years ago in the US? Because the Black IQ in the US was 77.5 a century ago. They have gained 7.5 points since then. I suspect White IQ is worth 1 IQ point for every 3-4% White.

        • Jm8

          I don’t know about the early US black scores.
          But i suspect that 3-4% would be worth less since, as I calculated:
          Assuming a black iq of 85 and a white iq of 100, a 1/8 white, 7/8 black population would average 86.8.

          I’m not sure what the US score was a century ago. Ive heard it was about the same as now for most of the 20th century (starting in the 1920’s-30’s) I remember one very early 1920’s study being late 80s or 90(from the old “Occidentalist” blog again), but I’m not sure how representative it was. I will see If I can look for some data on the early US scores.

        • Jm8

          I also don’t think we know how mixed US blacks were (before dna testing). Most (large scale) estimates would be very rough at best.

  9. Jason Y

    Well, we’d have to be certain mixed black bermudians must be gosh darn ugly.😆 Cause we can always scienfiically measure beauty, Right?

    Considering the idiotic contradictions and right out lies among white nationalists, we can always conclude they live in a fantasy land of lies.

    As a final note, I really think black racists have a chip on their shoulder due to bad experiences with whites. Not specifically saying this about anyone on this blog of course. What’s the matter did some white guy hit on your sister? 😆

    • “Well, we’d have to be certain mixed black bermudians must be gosh darn ugly.😆 Cause we can always scienfiically measure beauty, Right?”

      As long as you A. confuse SC thoughts with mine and B. Misunderstand the different connotations of lacking scientifically attractive traits and the traditional stigma of Ugliness, which could belong to good or bad people.

      “Considering the idiotic contradictions and right out lies among white nationalists, we can always conclude they live in a fantasy land of lies.”
      …..except the concept of race realism. Some main ideas of it can indeed change but the RR itself is already grounded in science, which you have yet to clearly debunk

      “As a final note, I really think black racists have a chip on their shoulder due to bad experiences with whites. Not specifically saying this about anyone on this blog of course. What’s the matter did some white guy hit on your sister? 😆”

      Well in regards to N., his anti-racism is basically that standard “evil invading whites” idea that is common amongst non-whites, especially natives.

      As far as I go, I pretty much equally hate all ethnocentric assholes and SJWs. At the same time, I can relate with some nationalists on a individual level as opposed to a group level.

      • Jason Y

        I can understand why some groups feel invaded and whatnot, but as you say, I don’t like ethno-centric assholes. I saw plenty of that in South Korea. I could sympathize with why they felt like being douches, but I don’t want to deal with their douchey behavior.

        As far as ugliness goes, unless it’s a burn victim or something, I think that a person’s view of beauty is an opinion. In fact, contrary to what you see on Nazi sites, the mixed raced people are often prized as mates (especially among African Americans), over blacker skinned blacks, even though of course, beauty is an opinon, a black one is as good as a chocolate one.

        • Sure on a individual level, but in terms of what is consider attractive on average is typical symmetrical and orthnaguous.

          With that said, BEAUTY I would say is different to a degree, and can be relative.

  10. Jason Y

    Sure on a individual level, but in terms of what is consider attractive on average is typical symmetrical and orthnaguous.

    With that said, BEAUTY I would say is different to a degree, and can be relative.

    Society’s view of beauty is based so much on style, not science. For instance, now beards are in for men, and some guys have half their head cut short or shaved. In the 70s though, long hair was in. In the 80s, square haircuts for blacks, and mullets were in style.

    • Jason Y

      Perhaps you could say more feminine looking women are more beautiful and more masculine looking guys are more handsome. However, that idea has nothing to do with mixed race, cause masculine and feminine looks prevail among mixed race also.

      • Jason Y

        Actually though, most women can look more feminine, if they want to, but many choose not to.

      • Well, it also includes different racial features of symmetry, orthnagous traits, etc.

        There are universal them that are consistent. Also, what you’re describing may not be sincere preference rather than bandwagon.

        • Jason Y

          So do you thnk Nazi websites are making an exxageration to push a political view when they call mixed people ugly monsters?

        • Nazi Site, sure. HBD sites in general, no.

          Do some Sites have political motives? Yes. Are all bad? No. Does this disproves HBD as a concept? No.

        • Jason Y

          No, I don’t think beauty, at least unless we’re talking about burn victims, can be measured, but is rather it is an opinion.

        • Well, you don’t “think” it but studies already have been carried out on average universal qualities. Their could be exceptions or additions in preference, but many ideas of attraction would include

          http://www.livescience.com/19553-samantha-brick-beauty.html

        • Now Jason, if it helps, I what I’m describing is sterile beauty in my opinion despite it’s real life impact.
          In y opinion someone character and general health is more important.

        • Jason Y

          However, even assuming your articles are true, they have nothing to do with race mixing (In other words, they’re not stating race mixing as a source of ugliness), as they come from standard publications not racist blogs anyhow.

        • While I wouldn’t say it is, I suppose due to race differing on average with certain desirous traits their could be an effect, perhaps a decline in these traits but I have no sue idea.

  11. Alex-10

    Does Flynn Effect for animals? I heard about measuring intelligence of monkeys.

    • While mental impediment could apply to animals, the Flynn effect based on the phenomenon that throughout various races they increased in IQ by 3 points a decade.

      The phenomenon occurring with animals I doubt.

      • Alex-10

        “The phenomenon occurring with animals I doubt.”
        So, people are not animals. And they have their own laws of development. God’s intervention?

        • “So, people are not animals.” Correction then, I meant Human populations in some semblance of Modern infrastructure. Although, if you are to criticize me for that I find that hypocritical because you phrased your comment in making a distinction between humans and animals.

          “Does Flynn Effect for animals? I heard about measuring intelligence of monkeys.”

          “And they have their own laws of development. God’s intervention?”
          Well, and alert me if I misread you, if you are trying to make some sort of creationist argument well there is various literature on human development but I’ll give you the summary.

          A over the course of hundreds of thousands of years ago their were archaic humans (Neanderthals for example) and H. Sapiens. Both have advanced of simple tool using and social organization (which can be observed in various modern apes, animals we share ancestry with) towards more higher group cooperation in bands of hunter gatherers who became more and more advanced until they (most) were displaced by Farmers during the Neolithic, approx. 10,000 years ago.

          however, due to different population pressures of different continents . different populations had unequal degrees of development due to both different environmental restrictions and evolution.

        • Also saying they have their “own laws of development” is somewhat misleading. While rather distinct, we can see forms of “development” in different animals as we as in Hominid fossil records (e.i, farming’s roots during the Neolithic).

        • “People are ‘divines’,😉”

          I onc even heard the argument that we did evolve from apes but rather apes evolved from man and “devolved” toward Bipedalism.

          However, that doesn’t ring true considering that we have Ape skeletons going back millions of years (past 17 million) when the first Bipedal humans were only 4 million roughly.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus

  12. Disturbed

    As an African American, I don’t know whether I should be disturbed or what by this post. Even if the race Iq thing is real, what about African Americans that do have a high Iq? I tested high enough to be considered gifted, and this post upsets me. Do all white people think all African Americans have an Iq of 93?? Should I avoid white people that are scanning my behavior to see if I am another “dumb” black? I don’t even know where I’m going with this. Realize that these numbers are averages, and that there are some African Americans that are way above the average.

    • “Realize that these numbers are averages, and that there are some African Americans that are way above the average.”

      Where was it said that they didn’t exist? The reason why Averages are discussed is because that number represents the expected IQ of someone of that population.

      No one would be stupid enough to say otherwise.

    • Alpha Unit

      Disturbed,

      Try not to let any opinion you read online upset you.

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