People Are Getting Tired of the Endless Wait for Blacks to Close IQ and Achievement Gaps with Whites

I am getting a bit tired of endless arguments from environmentalists that if we only provide Blacks with this special magic environment, then they will match Whites in IQ or IQ proxy scores. For decades we hear that if we only do this, that and the other that we will finally raise Black IQ and achievement scores up to the White level.

This debate has been raging since Jensen’s classic paper in 1969. That’s 47 years, and honestly the debate was already going on with a much smaller audience via the polarizing Dr. William Shockley. I suppose I am getting impatient with the failure of Blacks to significantly close these gaps and the endless cries from liberals that this Black Valhalla is right around the corner. Some of us are getting tired of waiting. It’s very frustrating.

I suppose I keep thinking, “So when is it going to happen? When are they going to close the gaps? Ok, Blacks can close the gap. Wonderful. So why don’t they do it? Wow, Blacks closed the gap in this country. Cool! So why don’t they do it here?”

The answer is always the same.

“Well, we just haven’t made the environment magic enough. We need to keep trying endlessly to create this magic Superenvironment that brings Blacks up to par. Come on! Step right up! Let’s create the Superenvironment! Everyone chip in!”

I think that these magic environments of Superenvironments may well exist, but it seems to be awfully hard to create them. Plus no doubt it is seriously expensive.

It reminds me of the Vietnam War. “We’re winning! We’re winning! The enemy is almost defeated! There’s light at the end of the tunnel!” and then we sit around waiting for a victory that never happens.

Forget matching us in behavior. The behavior of even the Blacks in the UK (who may have matched Whites in IQ proxies) is absolutely awful. So even if you make Black people dramatically smarter – a noble goal which I fully support for many reasons – you still end up with an extremely aggressive, impulsive, violent, criminalized and dangerous population whose crime rate is practically a public health crisis.

So what have we achieved by jacking up the Black IQ in the UK? Other than the benefits that will accrue to a lot of them, are we simply creating a new much more intelligent breed of dangerous antisocial criminal? I am not sure how or even if smarter crooks are better for society than dumber crooks. Maybe they are somehow, but someone needs to show me the data.

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49 responses to “People Are Getting Tired of the Endless Wait for Blacks to Close IQ and Achievement Gaps with Whites

  1. The behavior thing was something I feared, though I read that malnourished people can degraded into higher anti-social behavior so some parts if the Subsahara could improve off of that.

    As well, I basically agree with the behavior point. I mean 85 or 78 I could live with, I feel that it is better to focus on behavior (which, while genetic, it’s effects can be managed better than increasing intellect.).

  2. Jason Y

    Iv’e not seen that the environment has gotten better for a lot of them. In sub-saharan Africa are tons of AIDS orphans. In the US, tons of single parent homes. If somebody can show the environment has gotten better, yet no IQ improvement, then that would be interesting.

    Also, besides the single parent thing, is all sorts of other things. Basically governments and whatnot are too poor to provide quality schools and everything else you could think of.

    If is true blacks have a mental handicap, then governments and society should adjust to help them, but they don’t really, even in the rich and sometimes liberal USA.

  3. kareem

    Yeah, behavior always seem like a bigger deal than IQ. Been around lots of other blacks who aren’t the brightest bulbs on the tree but, nonetheless, were good people that didn’t have a bad in their body. The average behavior differences between races are much bigger than the IQ differences. If we take east asians and drop their IQ by about -30 points and left everything else the same, there is no way they would behave like africans.

    Not to mention the only real way to close the IQ gap is if the smartest africans are given incentive to breed in large numbers. Jews are collectively the most intelligent and highest achieving group on the planet and they got their intelligence by doing this. In the absolute sense, there are far more africans over 110 IQ than Jews.

    Ha, the chance of this happening is nil.

    People are too hostile to HBD.

    Politicians and people in positions of actively suppress this stuff because it would get in the way of their $$$.

  4. Tulio

    Wait, I thought it was said there’s an IQ gap in Britain, you seem to be saying there is none in Britain. What is the truth on the black-white IQ gap in Britain?

  5. Jason Y

    Forget matching us in behavior. The behavior of even the Blacks in the UK (who may have matched Whites in IQ proxies) is absolutely awful. So even if you make Black people dramatically smarter – a noble goal which I fully support for many reasons – you still end up with an extremely aggressive, impulsive, violent, criminalized and dangerous population whose crime rate is practically a public health crisis.

    Are you sure about that? Wouldn’t the environment be making the smart blacks all those negative things? Of course, I’m sure your mostly referring to teenagers, but what teenagers don’t act like that, especially when exposed to anti-social music, among other things?

    Northeast Asians are also very smart, but the young males are very tribalistic and mean. However, isn’t that just normal behavior for males. Who can say that even white USA males or mean, or ones from Europe. That’s just part of being a guy. I can find all sorts of people even in my hometown who, if you get on their bad side, will harass the crap out of you.

    Surely the smart blacks would be just like the smart whites, who when young display typical “bad boy” behavior. However, with less smart blacks, you would see behavior so bad that it would cause a real concern.

    • “Surely the smart blacks would be just like the smart whites, who when young display typical “bad boy” behavior. However, with less smart blacks, you would see behavior so bad that it would cause a real concern.”

      IQ raising would theoretically diminish crime gaps, but about 1/4 would prevail due to difference in hormones.

      Also, their higher cases of ADHD that prevails outside of IQ as well.

  6. Gay State Girl

    It would be the ultimate humanitarian act if China could “donate” their seed to Africa.

    • BTW, I know your being figurative.

      You mean “interbreed”? I doubt it considering that What Guangzhou progressed into, so that pretty much kills their motivation to do so out of sympathy. Even then, all they care about in Africa is getting the resources, if they cared about the people they would’ve done so by now.

      Now, displacement is probably more likely but at this point unnecessary.

      • Jm8

        What did Guangzhou progress into? As far as I know most Africans there are small shopkeepers (A lot of them come in order to start such businesses, often from poorer origins.). But there are some scammers and drug dealers (gangsters/organized criminals/Nigerian mafia types) if that’s what you mean.

        • Yeah, that’s what I mean. Also, I didn’t just mean that solely the immigrant’s presence is the reason, but as well as China being, compared to the West, less sympathetic towards that type of behavior as well.

        • Jason Y

          So called troublesome US blacks are US citizens. The blacks in China are not Chinese citizens.

        • True Jason but that doesn’t negate my point in regards to behavior. Citizen or not they wouldn’t excuse it.

        • Jason Y

          The US has a big guilt trip about blacks, mainly cause it enslaved them in the past. China doesn’t have that problem, so they really just don’t care about blacks. However, you see in China, as in India, South Korea etc.. , that there is a lot of shallowness, snobiness and fake behavior. It’s as if they have no soul.

        • Again true, particularly about the Guilt trip. Regardless on whether on the behavior of Blacks or not, China in general is prompted to do aid them out of sympathy.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          This is one thing that “WN mythology” is actually spot on about. Europeans, and American whites, always had contact with blacks, or knew of them, and the blacks were part of their culture, before colonization. However, the Chinese have no such connection and are so far removed they may be cruel, yes I will endorse White Nationalists on this one, Africa would be far better Europe colonizing them again than the Chinese, for the reasons said above, and that China is authortarian militaristically, but social darwinistic economically, a bad combination economically.

        • Now if Europe did colonize Africa, theoretically of course, I say advancement should be different. What they should modify would be on level in terms of cultural custom, or in other words they shouldn’t rush development and do it on a gradual scale.

          The problem with it in the past was that they took them of their customs, not knowing how much it contributed to stability, and forced them into a set of customs that they were adapted too.

          It wasn’t that they couldn’t make Africans “better”, it was that they were wanting them to be “European”. In advancement they would overlap in such traits with them but of course would differ.

          Now some individuals did well but were not representative.

      • Gay State Girl

        They have a shortage of women in China as well, due to selective abortions and a lot frustrated men, so I view this as a win win situation.

        • Yeah, but if they were to be proactive in acknowledgement of the situation, don’t you think they would try to “regrow” their female population before going after females of other people?

          Also, this is just a guess here, I’m pretty sure Chinese researchers are aware of IQ differences in populations and their high link to genes, so from that perspective mixing with SS Africans probably wouldn’t look too appealing.

          However, it could be possible if they were actually going to colonize the place via displacement since Spaniards did similar things with Native American and Slave women, but what would currently motivate such a thing?

        • Jason Y

          What kind of idiots are having selective abortions? Talk about being horses asses about thier culture. They have to have their culture’s way, even in the face of common sense.

          This stuff is almost as bad as thier taste for Ivory for endangered elephants.

        • Jason Y

          Again to all the anti-feminist mens rights people on here, note the Chinese selective abortion thing is a very male idea.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Phil-
          I don’t see that any events similar to the Spanish occurring, as you said, but it definitely is a fascinating a hypothetical. I am basically a self-hating white, and greatly admire Northeast Asians, but the attitudes of Sub-Saharans on the Chinese are infuriating, even the intelligent ones- they refuse to see what is right in front of their eyes, allowing the Chinese to do it gradually.

        • Fascinating indeed. The closest I could think of would be with Austronesians and Blacks in Madagascar or those in the Carribean of Asian descent.

          BTW, if you acknowledge the imperfections of other races then you shouldn’t hate yourself.

          I’m serious, you could do what you want but I’ve learned that self hate is simply no way to live and I mean that in the most sympathetic way.

        • Gay State Girl

          I didn’t advocate intermarriage necessarily, but they’d be doing them a great service if they patronized their brothels.

        • Gay State Girl

          It’s terrible but would help them in the long term.

        • TO GSG

          I agree it could help in a biological sense, but in an unbiased opinion en masse Race mixing can lead to negative effects though I wouldn’t say not positives would be produced, it’s just that in a scenario like that it could put stability at risk……but then again what is their really to lose at a infrastructural POV?

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Well, I’m not quite pure white. I just become frustrated with whites squabbling among themselves. Just like the largely true stereotype that Blacks have struggle governing themselves, Whites can not get along with other races, and will turn on each other/become bloodthirsty in a split second. They say other races are just as bad or worse, but I think that is just propaganda. We are not the smartest, yet we act like we are. Websites like American Rennaissance bash Northeast Asians, yet they are smarter than us. Ann Coulter, who has never and will never contribute as much as the average NE Asian or Jew bashes them. I don’t like whites, I feel sorry, in general for African Blacks, and intelligent blacks everywhere, but if I was black I would probably hate myself.

          Like Tulio once said, ‘I have no respect for the intellects of the vast majority of whites AND blacks’……Asians are okay. Robert Lindsay says Mexicans are stupid, but I have only known selective ones so I’m not sure. Of course Asians are smart.

        • I actually read someone of white nationalist beliefs say something along the lines that of whites were as bad as many WNs were that he didn’t think the White race was worth saving.

          With that said, that mainly why I’m not racist against white, because most DON’T engage in that kind of thinking. Sure, there are rational people who are in the middle (the ideal type in my book) but they are rarer.

          Hell, the FIRST “white nationalist” I meet was actually a very nice guy who really cared about the welfare of Blacks, but of course he was not representative.

          If I were you I would reserve you feeling towards the clannish and irrational, not whites in general. They could say “we’re this and you’re that” but considering where they claim to be at currently and reading many of their comments they practically ride the coattails of their history. Again, not all pro-whites.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Well, I’m white, but I’m just a sand-monkey or a sp*c or whatever, whites turn on their own, just like Germans v. Jews. It’s bad, but I just have to think they are brainwashed, by fear instilled in them, which does not exactly indicate intelligence. Yes, it is a small fraction, however, that think that way.

      • Ryan

        Madagascar might get an IQ boost, then again these are poor Chinese.

        https://www.chinafile.com/library/china-africa-project/who-knew-madagascar-has-africas-third-largest-chinese-population

        Apparently they have a growing population that now stands at around 100,000 intermixing with the local society.

        Honestly, I’d prefer the black IQ to grow, rather than interbreeding. However, either direction is acceptable. My main interests lie in maintaining the best the human race can offer, while limiting the impacts of the lesser.

        • I suppose they are likely mixing with those more on the Austronesian spectrum rather than the more “black” native there. Then again, that just my thought.

          Still I think that this method would get little range because due to this country being the third largest It is likely these migrations would go to ones with a particularly high Chinese population present, mostly being in the South/Eastern Region.

          Still, gain is gain. It just that some other consequences could develop from en masse race mixing that could result in a place like Brazil which, while better than a lot of African Countries, often overlaps with such in certain areas.

        • Jason Y

          Again with Brazil, the race mixing isn’t the problem, but rather the environment. Where I live there are lots of black/white people around, more than you’d think. This place hasn’t went down the tubes, mainly cause the USA is a lot richer than Brazil.

          Sure being black or mixed with black has it’s problems, but they become much greater if the environment doesn’t cater to helping thier problem.

          Brazil is so third world, that it couldn’t possibly really help it’s population much, unless it turned to Communism like Cuba. In that case, you’d see massive improvement in health care, education etc.. but decline in other areas obviously.

        • “Again with Brazil, the race mixing isn’t the problem, but rather the environment. Where I live there are lots of black/white people around, more than you’d think. This place hasn’t went down the tubes, mainly cause the USA is a lot richer than Brazil.”

          Look Jason, the evidence exist, the logic exists in regards to racial differences. In my discussions with you, you have displayed little knowledge in how the science worked or how big of a role environment plays.

          Now, not just with you piss-poor analogies with diseases, SHOW ME DATA in regards to you beliefs on Genes and environment.

          “Sure being black or mixed with black has it’s problems, but they become much greater if the environment doesn’t cater to helping thier problem.”

          That doesn’t negate anything I believe.

          “Brazil is so third world, that it couldn’t possibly really help it’s population much, unless it turned to Communism like Cuba. In that case, you’d see massive improvement in health care, education etc.. but decline in other areas obviously.”

          ……Exactly how does that Debunk anything I said in regards to Race-mixing impeding progress. Even THEN Robert had posted years back how about IN CUBA Afro-descent did poorly compared to their non-black counterparts in education which would indicate that even with purely environmental advancement those of different predominate heritage would either be the leverage in the advancement or would reach the highest from that advancement.

        • Jason Y

          ……Exactly how does that Debunk anything I said in regards to Race-mixing impeding progress. Even THEN Robert had posted years back how about IN CUBA Afro-descent did poorly compared to their non-black counterparts in education which would indicate that even with purely environmental advancement those of different predominate heritage would either be the leverage in the advancement or would reach the highest from that advancement.

          Yeah, but I bet they did a hell of a lot better than those with a bad environment. Well, of course, maybe they still had problems, but the environment of course helped to a large degree.

          How can you with a straight face say that removing gangs, bad music, bad people, poverty etc.. isn’t going to make a noticable positive difference?

          OK, what is the link to Robert’s Cuba article? Let’s look at it more closely.

        • “How can you with a straight face say that removing gangs, bad music, bad people, poverty etc.. isn’t going to make a noticable positive difference?”

          Did you not see this?

          “That doesn’t negate anything I believe.”
          My point is that there were limits.

          “OK, what is the link to Robert’s Cuba article? Let’s look at it more closely.”

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/race-realism-in-cuba/

          “Another problem in Cuba has been poor scores by the “marginalized” non-Whites of Cuba. Whites tend to dramatically outscore non-Whites in Cuban schools, particularly in the professional schools which are extremely competitive and held to high standards”

  7. Jason claims that Brazil lacks one, and that Cuba has “support” via communism. He says Africa lacks one, America has “money”.

    Both still follow the same trend, even if they’re “better” then the ones in the prior locations with much of the same vices but at different rates.

    FORTUNATELY, I have an idea. Due to heritability, standards methods of IQ increase through selection would be tricky HOWEVER Behavior would be better.

    From observation, their are Black behavior goes in an extreme. One end being “Agitators” who would be the main catalyst of wild behavior, while other would either be lesser ones or “conformers” who adopt them but do it out of cultural adoption rather than inner drive.

    Theirs a minority that are more despondent with deeper empathy, probably more common among females than males since the ones in the latter group often waned due to competition. From my perspective I found this out by looking at many “middle class” Blacks here who, while not smart or particularly mixed, acted better than me in terms of stability or stress.

    Now in regards to “agitators”, they are not always “bad in nature”, it just that they are just the more extrovert like and would often be with those who are. My mother was a more “despondent type” with a little agitation though my father was more of an Agitator. I was a despondent in my youth but as I grew older I grew more agitated qualities.

    Under the right influence, these types could make great progress in terms of social interactions. The problem is, with the promotion of behaviors based on their surroundings, these those of “bad” agitators and “bad” conformers are less distinguishable though I believe the later would be less persistent in their actions. How I would describe the continuum is a bit unclear.

    This is just a theory at the moment, but it seems to parallel much of what I read of Europeans on the behaviors of various types of Africans.

    • Jason Y

      Everything takes time. Even in a super-environment like Communist Cuba or a “money bought” one in the USA, it takes time to see results. It may even take a few generations etc…

    • Jason Y

      Okay, I KNOW you are fucking joking. In basic natural selection, a weaker (unfit) group DIES. The exception being in certain social organization where individuals are supported by each other.

      The goal of natural selection is successful adaptation to the environment. If a group targeted to be strong (but currently weak) is put in a strong environment, then the result is a stronger group.

      Of course that group would be stronger than a weak group put in a weak environment.

      For instance, you don’t let kids run wild in your yard, especially if your near a busy road. It’s because there is a good chance they will go in the road and get run over. Zap! Evolution has failed for them. They don’t grow up and have kids.

      Finally, the modern world is not the wild jungle. We can create artifiical environments, much as as a farmer can control cows etc.. Of course, the farmer protects the livestock, the goal being strong livestock and ones who aren’t killed by predators etc..

      • Jason Y

        Looking at evolution, race realists and the like are not looking at nature realistically. In the wild, animals parent thier children too. This parenting shelters the young to some extent. In other words, the young are not just thrown out into the world to be eaten up.

        Of course, looking at economics etc.., the third world is much like the jungle with parents who are snakes (animals who don’t raise their young). As a result, the weak races in the third world do poorly because they cannot get stronger at all. On the other hand, in Communist nations and in richer nations like the USA, money and other things can provide a sort of parenting or artificial super-environment of which blacks etc.. can do much better.

        Is it a crime against nature to parent? Nature itself says no, except in the case of certain animals like fish or snakes etc… Among humans we also parent. We parent children and even sometimes we give a helping hand to adults in need. In the overall scheme of evolution, it’s totally normal, not a crime against nature.

      • “The goal of natural selection is successful adaptation to the environment. If a group targeted to be strong (but currently weak) is put in a strong environment, then the result is a stronger group.”

        …….by having the weaker ones IN THAT GROUP DIE. Not all of them are equally weak, some having mutation variants.

        “Of course that group would be stronger than a weak group put in a weak environment.” Uuuummmm…yeah?

        “For instance, you don’t let kids run wild in your yard, especially if your near a busy road. It’s because there is a good chance they will go in the road and get run over. Zap! Evolution has failed for them. They don’t grow up and have kids.”
        That basic nuture for safety, not “super environment”.

        “Finally, the modern world is not the wild jungle. We can create artifiical environments, much as as a farmer can control cows”…….like breeding them to have more desired traits by having those who have such traits to breed while other don’t?

        ” etc.. Of course, the farmer protects the livestock, the goal being strong livestock and ones who aren’t killed by predators etc..” Refer to my above explanations.

        “Looking at evolution, race realists and the like are not looking at nature realistically. In the wild, animals parent thier children too. This parenting shelters the young to some extent. In other words, the young are not just thrown out into the world to be eaten up.” Yes…..until they have NATURALLY DEVELOP according to there individual biology to adapt. All THAT form of nurturing does is KEEP THEM SAFE, not fundamentally altering them. It’s you who doesn’t understand evolution.

        “Of course, looking at economics etc.., the third world is much like the jungle with parents who are snakes (animals who don’t raise their young). As a result, the weak races in the third world do poorly because they cannot get stronger at all.” Okay……that of course wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that they developed independently into different forms of infrastructure prior to Colonialism.

        “On the other hand, in Communist nations and in richer nations like the USA, money and other things can provide a sort of parenting or artificial super-environment of which blacks etc.. can do much better.” Better is Relative, and based on the Flynn effect, Blacks reached their limit in terms of IQ through environmental means.

        “Is it a crime against nature to parent? Nature itself says no, except in the case of certain animals like fish or snakes etc… Among humans we also parent. We parent children and even sometimes we give a helping hand to adults in need. In the overall scheme of evolution, it’s totally normal, not a crime against nature.”

        Parenting only making conditions optimal for the development of biological encoded traits.

        This is where you fail Jason in understanding “environment”, like I said, being the case where condition PROHIBITS full potential. However, the issue in regards to the groups in the US and Cuba isn’t prohibiting, it’s the actually potential itself.

        But you know what, let’s go to my “Nazi site”

        http://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/15/iq-nutrition-disease-and-parasitic-load/

        He points out likely trends occurring in Africa that restricts it’s potential.

        The universal point of environment is to eliminate confounders towards phenotypes, not a solid alternative or excuse of lesser ability.

  8. Jason Y

    quote by santo culto

    People are like precious crystals, we need a super-environment to protect them to be stupid, this a great weakness of humankind.

    we need rational/wise people, just it.

    Actually, contrarcy to race realist thinking, a super-environment helps evolution, much like how parenting helps young children. In other words, putting a fence around a weaker group will over time make them stronger.

    Of course, what I’m saying is parenting, not babying people or over-protection which could harm evolution.

  9. Ironically I read this post as I watched the last episode of the OJ series on FX. The DA said the jury deliberated the case based on emotion not reason and I just chuckled to myself. The state lost the case at jury selection. Blacks as a group are just incapable of reasoning at even an average level.

  10. Oneaboveall

    I would like to chime in. I hope I don’t get too personal here, but I am pretty conflicted on what Robert posted here. I guess I should give some background:

    I worked as a high school teacher in Jersey City and Newark, NJ from 1997-2008. During that time, I saw (to perfectly blunt) more stereotypes than a KKK rally. I taught kids who were gang members, drug dealers, parents in jail, and were homicidally violent. I should also add that the administration seemed to think that we were in a movie like Dangerous Minds or Freedom Writers and that you had to be a missionary on top of being a teacher. I got so burned out that I decided that I really needed to change careers. So it is hard to disagree with your statements.

    That being said, there are a few things I should mention:
    I come from a family with an abusive alcoholic father. Going to school in the 1970s, you didn’t talk about what was going on at home, so I would act out in class constantly. I did everything I could to get kicked out of class and spent most of the first grade on the bench in front of the principal’s office (of course, no one knew why). If you know anything about Newark, you know that the city is as follows: East Ward (Portuguese with a lot of Italians when I was growing up); South and Central Wards (Black), and North Ward (Hispanic with an Italian enclave that’s there to this day). It was decided to send me to school uptown, since it was figured that the hard ass black teachers could handle me. They were right. These teachers made sure I worked and if it wasn’t for them, I wouldn’t have been where I am today. I should also note that I came from a really blue collar neighborhood and I was marked since I was a shy kid who liked to read. I got picked on a lot and jumped a few times by the white kids. I actually got along better with the black and Puerto Rican kids uptown. I never got jumped by them either.

    Next thing that I want to mention is that when I lived in Carlisle, PA, I subbed in a few different districts in the area and couldn’t believe that some of the kids out there in these small white-bread towns were dealing with some of the same issues as kids in the inner-city. I’m not talking about white kids who imitate homies in the ‘hood. I’m talking about having the exact same issues. They also wanted to keep everything hidden in this area and not acknowledge some of the problems they were facing (conversely, they were great at turning little issues and blowing them up into enormous problems). One place,which we will call Big Spring Area School District in Newville, PA was full of rednecks who displayed more stereotypes than a monster truck rally.

    Did something change in the intervening years?

  11. jorge

    I’m not really into the IQ subject. But crime or violence I think that don’t have to do with race. Russia have much more crime than United States and almost all it population is white (Mongoloids are a minority and are present mainly in quiet regions, while the white-west is where are the most violent cities).

    Also some eastern European countries have higher crime rates than countries like Burkina Faso, whose population is black (and it is increasing rapidly).

    I think that cultural/economic/educational conditions are “responsable”, not physical ones.

    • S

      “(Mongoloids are a minority and are present mainly in quiet regions, while the white-west is where are the most violent cities).”

      Mongoloids are generally less violent than whites.

      “some eastern European countries have higher crime rates than countries like Burkina Faso”

      I have heard Burkina Faso is nice and Eastern Europe is crappy, but they are probably BOTH outliers.

      • jorge

        I only mention Mongoloids because they are the only relevant racial minority (for if some infers that responsible of that violence is some racial minority, like in many places of United States).

        And also some countries like Sao Tome and Principe, Cameroon, Ghana, Liberia, Equatorial Guinea, etc. are black countries and are safer than almost all countries from Eastern Europe. By the way, this region have a much smaller non-white minorities than Western Europe, whose important cities sometimes have places relatively similar to American slums, that are inhabited by many poor black/Amerindian immigrants, but still are much safer than Eastern Europe. Or Pakistan can be taken as a relatively white country (main part of people is white with high Australoid ancestry, and there are some Australoids also) and it crime rate it’s relatively high. The same with Afghanistan (white country).

        Also some Mongoloid countries have relatively high crime rates. Some in Central Asia (mainly inhabited by Mongoloids with much white ancestry, and also big white minorities, like Kazakhztan or Kyrgyzstan) and others in Southeast Asia (inhabited by Mongoloids with much Australoid ancient ancestry, like Philippines or Myanmar). Or, for example, Mongolia have a relatively high crime rate and have a “pure” Mongoloid population.

        That’s why I think that cultural/educational/economic reasons are the “repsonsible”.

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