A Bit on the Genetics of Mexican-Americans

RL: By the third generation around here, most Mexican-Americans are just White people for all intents and purposes. Many to most of them are behaving very well, and many are smarter than you would think. Intelligent, 3rd generation assimilated Mexican-Americans are fully capable of running cities here in the US…They need to chuck the Mexican thing and pretty much just turn into White people which is what most of them are majority racially anyway.

Jm8: I thought they were a bit more Amerindian (or about evenly both) on average. But I guess it depends on what part of Mexico they come from (the North having more White ancestry). In New York, where I live (and in South and much of Central Mexico, from what I saw), they tend to look very Amerindian. In some places (mostly S. Mexico), people from communities called Indian and nearby ones considered Mestizo/Ladino look very similar, the main distinction being language/the degree of cultural Hispanicization.

Here in the Southwest, the Mexican-Americans have always been mostly White. For a long time, they were 70% White. That was the standard for maybe 70-80 years. Then it shifted to ~60% White and stayed that way for a couple of decades.

Now here in California, they are 47% White, 45% Amerindian and 8% Black. That’s the whole genome, and it reflects the recent mass immigration from the south of Mexico, which is very Amerindian. There are also quite a bit more Black ancestry in the south, even in places like Guerrero where you would least expect it. This is because Mexico, like Argentina and some other places, dealt with the Black population issue by simply breeding them completely out of existence. 100-200 years ago, the % of Blacks in Mexico was much higher than it is now. However it was still a small population, and they bred so heavily into the surrounding White, mestizo and Amerindian culture that they more or less vanished off the face of the Earth.

The reason that Mexicans of the Southwest have traditionally been ~65-70% White is because they have usually come from northern Mexico. The north of Mexico is quite White genetically, much Whiter than the rest of Mexico. There is a city called Monterrey there that is actually mostly White people. This has also been not coincidentally one of the most productive parts of Mexico.

Around here, the % of Mexican-Americans who more or less look like White people (by that I mean they appear to be majority White) is truly stunning. We are talking about many thousands of people just in my city alone. If go around this town, you will soon see so many mostly White Mexicans that you will not even be able to count all of them.

Mostly White Mexicans are hard to describe racially, but they often look like Spaniards, Italians or Armenians. They sort of look like Med Whites. There are also a shocking number of Mexican-Americans in this town who seem to be full White. I have no idea what their genetic makeup is, but they appear to be about as White as I am. Some of them look even Whiter than I do because they have very pale skin.

Another very large group of Mexican-Americans is frankly such a mixed race group that you really could not call them Amerindian at all. They do look sort of White, but you couldn’t really call them White either. They are simply completely mixed race White-Amerindian people, full mestizos who can’t and shouldn’t be dumped into one or the other race.

However, I will admit that if you go around my city for a while, you will see many, many people who are mostly or fully Amerindian. These tend to be more the working classes or the field workers and quite a few of them are illegals.

The more Amerindian they are, the more likely they are to be illegals. The Whiter they are, the more likely they are to be Mexican-Americans or legal residents. The number of green card legal resident Mexicans in my city is very large, much larger than you might think. It’s not true that this group is mostly illegals. They are seriously mixed between illegals, green card-holding legal immigrants and Mexican-American citizens. The last category is surely the largest. Anyone who equates Mexican ethnicity in the US with illegal immigrant is nothing but an idiot.

I am getting a bit tired of this Cultural Left crap that Mexican-Americans are mostly Amerindian. The Cultural Left wants to believe this because they hate White people, and they want to see as many of this bull category called “people of color” as possible. Also the Aztlan Reconquista fools are very much into pretending that Mexican-Americans are mostly Amerindian. You will frequently find morons like this on the Net with fake Aztec names claiming that Mexican-Americans are 80-90% White. More often the idiot who is saying this lie looks like a White person.

Mexican-American nationalists of the Aztlan Reconquista variety are truly some of the stupidest ethnic nationalists of them all, especially because “Mexican” isn’t even a race.

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21 responses to “A Bit on the Genetics of Mexican-Americans

  1. Jm8

    I guess the indian populations in Northern Mexico were never that high. The S. and Central regions had the larger civilizations, while the far north had/has smaller tribes like the Yaqui, Tarascan, and Tarhumara. Spanish settlers with their more advanced agriculture (supporting more people), would contribute a larger percent of the regions ancestry (The same might also apply to descendants of very early settlers in parts of former Mexico that are now south Western US territory).

    • Jm8

      What I said does not apply to the Tarascan so much(as it does to the other tribes I listed) as they had a kingdom in N. central Mexico(I was thinking of another tribe further north whose name I have forgotten.) The (now) US South West had a few semi-civilized cultures like the Anasazi(ancestral Hopi), other Pueplo groups and the Hokoham whose descendants are the Pima and Papago,Some Caddoan peoples (though most of these cultures declined, leaving descendant groups with smaller populations, before the Spanish came. Many other tribes in that area were smaller and more primitive as well(e.g.: the Navajo and Apache, the tribes of S. Texas.)

      • Jm8

        edit: “Many other tribes in that area were smaller and more primitive as well(e.g.: the Navajo and Apache, the tribes of much of Texas and California.)”

  2. James Schipper

    Dear Robert

    Latin America is full with stupid patriots. To me, there is a difference between a patriot and a nationalist. A nationalist thinks tribally, a patriot territorially. To the patriot, it is us on this side of the border versus them on the other side of the border. That’s why a lot of Mexicans see themselves as hugely different from, and superior to, Central Americans. In what way?

    Mexico may be different from Guatemala in that the European component of the Mexican gene pool is larger than the European component of the Guatemalan gene pool, but that doesn’t mean that a mainly white Mexican is different from a mainly white Guatemalan, or that there is a real difference between an Amerindian Mexican and an Amerindian Guatemalan.

    This fallacy of distribution is committed all the time. Many Canadians see themselves as different from Americans because Canada has a Francophone minority and the US does not. True, that does make Canada different from the US, but it doesn’t make an English-speaking Canadian from an American. Identity is something individual, not something collective.

    I once insulted a Salvadorean by calling him a Central American. How silly can one get?

    Regards. James

  3. Jason Y

    The Mexicans where I live in Tennessee are brown. Perhaps this area attracts Mexicans from the south of Mexico, or in more Amerindian areas of central America. They’re definitely not white.

  4. Jason Y

    National boundries not race seem to be the dividing line of much of the world. For instance, what difference is there between a Korean and Japanese, yet they hate each other? What difference in the past did we see between French and English? Probaby some WN idiot will say English are more Aryan, but really, it doesn’t mean shit, espeically considering the Normans were originally Vikings.

    • Jm8

      I would say culture and language are important (and perceived ancestry/identity.

      Technically neither are very Aryan, since the Aryans/Indo-Europeans probably came from the N. Caucasus/East Europe. Perhaps the North Eastern French are slightly more “Aryan”. Eastern Europeans (esp South West Russia to around Ukraine) are probably the most Indo European ancestrally, with gradually less IE ancestry toward W. Europe (very little in W. France, Spain, Wales etc.). The Slavs are generally somewhat more “Aryan” than Germans (Slavic and Baltic languages are also closer to Proto Indo-European than Germanic, which is among the most divergent branches of IE.) so Hitler was way off.

      • Jm8

        edit:”Technically neither the French nor English are very Aryan,…”

      • Jason Y

        Let’s just concede and say “racism is mythology, crap etc..” The remarks made by racists exxagerate the influence of race by about 90 percent. It’s no different than some radical athiest making it seem like all the evil in the world is 90 percent the fault of religion.

  5. Jm8

    The Atzlan movement would seem less like bull/ political rheotoric to me if more of its members committed to learning Nahuatl(As far as I know few do.). Otherwise they certainly are not Aztecs.

  6. “The reason that Mexicans of the Southwest have traditionally been ~65-70% White is because they have usually come from northern Mexico. The north of Mexico is quite White genetically, much Whiter than the rest of Mexico. There is a city called Monterrey there that is actually mostly White people. This has also been not coincidentally one of the most productive parts of Mexico.”

    Those are called Harnizos. They are more common on the Central Coast and Central Valley than LA for some reason. They are usually 3rd Generation. Castizos over 75% are fairly rare in California.

    http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5209391/1/

  7. Rus

    But how do you define “White”, “Amerind” and how do you calculate those percent numbers? I remember the Nazis in their time used some sophisticated devices to measure skull or whatever. But I do not see any methodology here.

    • Jason Y

      For mulattoes, you just put a plate of Fried Chicken in front of them and the percentage of eating done reveals how much black ancestery. :lol;

  8. Tulio

    There is a certain type of white Mexican woman that is just exquisite. I don’t really see this phenotype very often outside of Mexico, especially women from Sinaloa. They will have very pale, often milky/pasty skin or as dark as olive/Mediterranean complexion. And they will have long, silky raven-black hair.

    This is the cloest example I can find right now of what I mean:

    I don’t know what their exact ancestral makeup is, but I’ve met many women from Spain and most of them are not that pale and don’t have that same look. Sometimes these women will have slightly mestizo features that makes them exotic.

  9. Tulio

    Here is another example of women from Sinaloa:

    I’d love to see their ancestral makeup. I’d consider them white, but yet they look much better than most European or N. American white women. I don’t know if it’s just having that 10-20% or so indigenous genes that gives them this combination of good look. I guess a little mixing is a good thing.

    • Jason Y

      Arab women look particulary hot. Too bad they make them wear so much covering. I was watching a movie about the bio of Saddam Hussein, and the women in his household had jaw dropping beauty.

      • Tulio

        I think the Arab women from the Levant are quite hot. But I’ve seen some from other places where they have big, ugly noses.

  10. Tata

    I travelled in the North of Mexico, in Mexico City, in US California, I dated some mexicans men and had many friends from the North and Central Mexico, and also central americans and south american. So I examined a lot the racials differences of these countries.

    People in the north of Mexico are mostly mestizos, but with lighter skin than in the south, but they are not real whites (not north western europeans like me). Only the upper class look caucassians whites. And these “white mexicans” are so ugly! They are the ugliests humans on this planet! I had a boyfriend from Monterrey but he was mestizo. One of these white northen mexican wanted to date me and got very frustrated by my refusal. Only the white latinos could be good boyfriends and husbands for me, had intelligents conversations, had the legal immigrant status, high diplomas and was serious, but they are so physically repulsives! There is beautiful white men in the US and Canada, but white people in Mexico are another type of whites. They have very ugly facial features. And they don’t look mediterreneans spaniards, because mediterraneans look arabs, have the arab DNA and arabs are HOT.

    Unfortunately, the beautiful mestizos who have wonderful amerindians black eyes and dark skin, act dumbs and have no intelligent conversation. They have the typical hispanic behavior. They are more temperamental, more hot blood, lie, cheat, are womanizers, etc. They also are more fun, always joking. The stereotypes about the mexicans always smiling exist, but only in the “real mexicans”, not in the white upper class. The white upper class is fun too, in the north, but they act more “white”. It’s difficult to explain…

    The most beautiful mexicans are in Mexico City, those who have the aztec blood. In California the mestizos are so ugly. They have no neck and their head look too big for their body. I don’t saw it in Mexico because I don’t travelled in the areas where live the mexicans who have no necks so it’s chocked me when I saw it in the US. But I don’t hate them, they are nice people in the US.

    In central america, the Guatemaltecas are hot, but salvadorians are horribles and look like the mexicans who have no necks. In south america, the most beautiful men are the andeans indians and mestizos, but peruvians are ugly and I don’t know why because they are andeans indians like the colombians. I like the bolivians too, they look more asians than the others south americans indians. There is a lot of differents type of amerindians in the Americas.

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