Veddoids In Modern and Ancient Asia: A Predominant Type?

Pepperoncini writes:

I think when you say Australoid, you mean Veddoid, and Vedda people are distinct and different from Dravidians, including Tamils. Tamils have a range of phenotypes. Tamil-speaking groups can range from very dark with low nose bridge and broad noses to dark, normal nose bridge and average nasal index.

Whatever the Tamils may appear to be, when we put Tamil skulls on a graph, they plot with the Senoi, Negritos, Andaman Islanders, Papuans and similar groups.

The Senoi are an Australoid group that are best seen as Veddoids transplanted to Southern China and then to Thailand 5,000 YBP. From 5-15,000 YBP, Veddoid types may have been widespread throughout Asia. The pre-Jomon in Thailand 16,000 YBP have skulls that plot closely with the Jomonese later in Japan at 13,000 YBP. If you compare photos of modern day Ainu people with Veddoids from India, it is clear that the Ainu are a depigmented group of Northern Veddoids.

There are also traces of Veddoid types in the Philippines long ago where reports of oddly Caucasoid-looking people appear in the anthropological record. They may have been part of the group that moved from Thailand to southern Japan between 13-16,000 YBP because the Philippines would be along this route.

So also would be Australia.

And indeed, the first modern Aborigines appear in the form of a group called Murrayans that arrived between 15-20,000 YBP. The best guess is that the Murrayans were the same group of Veddoids that were present in Thailand at this time and the migration may have part of the same Thailand-Japan migration that the pre-Jomonese undertook.

This is probably not the only Veddoid migration to Australia. Between 10-15,000 YBP, a group called the Carpinterians arrived, apparently from Southern India. Consider that all people in India are termed “Australoid” before 8,000 YBP when the Australoid-Caucasoid transition begins possibly with the arrival of the first actual Dravidians, probably Elamites from western Iran. These pre-8,000 YBP Australoids in India then could probably best be called Veddoids.

Australoid types were present long before in India in India and Southeast Asia as skulls from India and Thailand 25,000 YBP are said to resemble Aborigines. Their relationship to the Australoid Veddoid group that shows up at least 16,000 YBP is not known.

The modern Aborigines are a mix between Carpinterians and Murrayans that arrived 13-17,000 YBP in the subcontinent and subsequently interbred.

Before that, some very different and even more archaic people lived in Australia.

6 Comments

Filed under Aborigines, Ainu, Andaman Islanders, Anthropology, Asia, Asians, Australia, China, India, Iran, Japan, NE Asia, Negritos, Northeast Asians, Papuans, Philippines, Physical, Race/Ethnicity, Regional, SE Asia, SE Asians, South Asia, Thailand

6 responses to “Veddoids In Modern and Ancient Asia: A Predominant Type?

  1. pepperroncini

    Here is the typical Dravidan look from the community I hail from.

    First off:
    Palaniappan Chidambaran was ex Finance Minister in India . He is a Tamil.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=palaniappan+chidambaram&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwixspeJvL_LAhWIeSYKHZVEDhUQ_AUICCgD&dpr=1

    Aziz Ansari
    https://www.google.com/search?q=aziz+ansari&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjbvcTlvL_LAhVJJiYKHfJkBRsQ_AUICCgD

    Here is a well known Tamil lawyer and politician in Sri Lanka .
    https://www.google.com/search?q=m.a.+sumanthiran+lawyer&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTupD5vL_LAhXJ5iYKHbczDZ0Q_AUIBygC

    George Alagiah. He is a Sri Lankan Tamil and a BBC newscaster.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=george+alagiah&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiRpfSxvb_LAhVHNSYKHSnpA7IQ_AUIBygC

    Here is Myuran Sukumaran, A Tamil from Sri Lanka. He along with Andrew Chang was executed by the Indonesians for drug running.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=indonesia+drugs+australians&biw=1280&bih=884&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI9f7dvb_LAhWIMSYKHWsbDm8QsAQIOA#tbm=isch&q=myuran+sukumaran

    In below picture you can see Myuran’s brother , sister and mother. Robert might feel the mother shows Veddoid traits. Her phenotype is not uncommon amongst Tamils.
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/bali-nine-why-i-wont-be-lighting-a-candle-for-myuran-sukumaran-and-andrew-chan-20150129-130v38.html

    Pics of Myuran’s dad.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=indonesia+drugs+australians&biw=1280&bih=884&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI9f7dvb_LAhWIMSYKHWsbDm8QsAQIOA#tbm=isch&q=myuran+sukumaran+father&imgrc=_

    Mindy Kaling .Her parents are Tamil and Bengali.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=famous+indian+american+comedian&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1mauFv7_LAhWKuoMKHcGvBkMQ_AUICCgD#tbm=isch&q=mindy+kaling

    Singapore Finance Minister, a Tamil from Sri Lanka.
    http://transcurrents.com/news-views/archives/641

    The picture where he (above Singapore minister) is dark is not atypical but the picture where he is quite light skinned does not make him look Tamil.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=tharman+shanmugaratnam&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwi8k4zav7_LAhVhtYMKHe3GBZIQ_AUICCgD

    Another Tamil politician from Sri Lanka.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sri-lanka-politics-idUSKCN0R31RI20150903

    Well known Sri Lankan Tamil civil society campaigner
    https://www.google.com/search?q=dr+paikiasothy+saravanamuttu&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK19HWw7_LAhXC5SYKHex0AkEQ_AUIBygC

    Singer MIA is also typical Dravidian in looks.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=m.i.a.&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiphMqVxr_LAhVH6yYKHWKsDgoQ_AUIBigB

    Sri Lankan Tamil politicians
    https://www.google.com/search?q=m.i.a.&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiphMqVxr_LAhVH6yYKHWKsDgoQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=tamil+national+alliance+politicians&imgrc=_

    Tamils are made up of different communities and have somewhat a range of phenotypes, and I noticed in some communities the folks have especially low nose bridge. Some can also have noticeably broad noses and or a hue of dark skin that is different from other Tamil communities.

    • One Tamil told me that all Sri lankans are from Tamil/Dravidan ethnicity and that the Sinhalese are the creation of a Buddhist priesthood who spoke Indo-Aryan language.

      • pepperroncini

        Sinhalese are genetically very similar to Tamils. They are mixture of Bengalis and South Indians and some Vedda.

        Bengalis are just Dravidians and other Pre-Aryan people who lost their mother tongue, like how Egyptians and people from Turkey lost their mother tongue.

        Padma Patil ,who stars in the Harry Potter movies is Bengali. I thought she was Tamil when I saw her in the HP movies because there is a Tamil diapora in England and cause she has a classic Dravidian / Tamil face .
        https://www.google.com/search?q=padma+patil&biw=1280&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjekOnc1cHLAhVKSyYKHV_TCR8Q_AUIBigB

      • Punjabi Sardar

        Sinhalese descend from a boat of Buddha’s followers who went there with his blessing.

        Tamils went to sri lanka as british tea workers. That explains the lower character compared to mainland ones.

      • Punjabi Sardar

        Sinhalese descend from a boat of Buddha’s followers who went there with his blessing.

        Tamils went to sri lanka as british tea workers, explains their lower character compared to mainland.

        Ait already discredited, you’re just peddling something that helps usa breaking India project.

  2. pepperroncini

    I typed out a long reply with links to picks of Tamils but it isn’t showing up??

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s