California, the Myth and the Reality

Blockquotes are from Tulio, and responses are from me.

California while being 12% of the nation has 1/3 of the entire nation’s welfare cases. A FULL 3RD COMING FROM ONE STATE ALONE!

Yes and we are one of the wealthiest states in the US, and we have the 8th largest economy in the world!

You’re already seeing the early stage of this in California. California is lucky in that it has a lot of attributes that attract rich people such as the great climate, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, San Francisco, PCH, etc.

It’s the people that attract good people to California. Not some abstract geographical mystical factor.

The schools have utterly been gutted of funding by having to support so many kids of illegal aliens.

I do not have good figures, but I know that the schools in the White areas in the nearby mountains are very well funded. Schools are funded by property taxes at the local level you know. In areas where there are few illegals, illegals will have almost no effect on that Californian school system.

County hospitals can’t keep up.

Maybe, but if you are funded, it’s not an issue. I generally do not have to go the hospital, but I was treated for free at the local city or county hospital here for years. A couple of hours wait, but the treatment was free. Things are now a lot better with Obamacare, and I am seen at a local private clinic that sees a lot of low income people. They provide good care.

It used to have the best public schools in the nation.

The schools in the White areas are still pretty good.

Taxes are high, there’s massive inequality, housing in unaffordable for common people.

I do not feel that taxes are too high here in California, and compared to most countries, they are low. Few of your taxes are state taxes anyway. The state does provide a lot of good services to residents, often for free, and I certainly take advantage of those, especially for medical and dental care, which I do not pay for. I think we should be quite happy to pay taxes for free medical and dental care.

There is massive inequality, true, and this leftwing state does not seem to know what to do about it.

There is a housing price problem, but that is due to the real estate market being jacked up by speculators, not due to illegals. It’s just that a bunch of rich people have speculated the Hell out of the market and driven prices through the roof. What to do about it, I have no idea, but this is a leftwing state, and we should not have to deal with unaffordable housing.

There is Section 8 housing in California if you qualify. That’s public housing. I have some friends who are on it. White people. They pay very low rents, like $350 for a 2 bedroom apartment. The complexes they live in are nice, and the neighborhoods are what I would call livable or survivable.

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18 responses to “California, the Myth and the Reality

  1. Jason Y

    Again the free trade screwed the third world leading the illegals to California. Now Trump wants to kick them out and build a wall. Is that just? It’s like if I went and started bashing people’s mailboxes and then sued them for harassment when they complained about it.

    Also, if the illegals go back to third world, there might not be any hope for them. In one scenario, they might remain in detention camps for a long time or forever, still draining government money. Or we can KILL THEM ??? Bring back any memories from history ??

    From what I saw on TV it really stinks for the lower classes in Latin America. Free trade has really messed them up. Why else would they risk life and limb to immigrate?

    Also, we didn’t have the same immigration problem with the same intensity in the 80s, even though the 1965 immigration act was in full force. So I’m assuming NAFTA and the like changed the ballgame.

    • Jason Y

      We can talk about over-population but it is really irrelevant as over-populaton isn’t leading illegals to California (or anywhere else). They’re coming because free trade destroys the economic health of the lower classes.

      • Tulio

        I don’t know a much of the ins and outs of free trade vis-a-vis its effect on Mexican workers. But I think the true reason is because there’s low human capital in Mexico. There’s a lot of people that have no skills other than picking crops.

        • Jason Y

          Free trade has destroyed the agricultural sector. For instance, look how NAFTA floods the Latin American markets with cheap crops (Corn for instance). Look at Clinton’s flooding of Haiti’s rice market which he later had to apologize for.

          Right they can only pick crops, but even that is taken away by free trade.

        • TULIO To be fair to Spanish-speakers there were some Spanish and Mestizo people living California when it became a State of the Union. A few Russians, too.

          I’ve noticed that these Spanish settlements of folks that are not Mestizo but plain old Spanish Basque farmers without a drop of Indian blood in them really have no desire for “La Raza”.

          If

    • Tulio

      Weren’t they immigrating here long before NAFTA? What about Operation Wetback in the 50s?

      • Jason Y

        They weren’t immigrating here like they do now. So there must be a big difference between now and then.

        • EPGAH

          Maybe because there’s a lot MORE of the scum, so MORE will dump on us?

          Sort of like the difference between pushing you into my toilet, and pushing you into a septic tank, if I can find anyone who still has one of those?

          And again, why should they make THEIR problem OUR problem AT ALL?

        • Jason Y

          Such a simplistic answer, so motivated by hate. Nobody wants to look at the fact free trade was forced on Latin America by the US elites. Ok, so your some farmer in Latin America, free trade makes farming unprofitable. Therefore, you have no choice but to immigrate.

          Calling people scum is not what they are, minus some drug dealers etc.. Mostly they are just desperate peasants forced to move cause of greedy free trade companies.

        • Jason Y

          Why should Latin Americans respect the border, when greedy free trade companies don’t respect thier border? The free traders already declared war, so now the peasants (illegal aliens) are simply taking what they think they deserve.

        • EPGAH

          Free trade wasn’t forced on them, they wanted what we had, and they wanted to sell us their shit–er–PRODUCTS without TARIFFS in the way.

          Should the Americans their invasion put out of a job counter-invade them?
          According to your logic, that would somehow be OK, right?

          Why can’t they do anything other than farming? Isn’t it their own fault for not getting an education? That’s the excuse you always use for whites out of a job, right?

          As to taking what they THINK they deserve, then you’re admitting they’re parasites. How about “They have the RIGHT to rob us, we have the RIGHT to kill them for it!”? Sound fair?

        • Jason Y

          quote by ep-gah

          Free trade wasn’t forced on them, they wanted what we had, and they wanted to sell us their shit–er–PRODUCTS without TARIFFS in the way.

          Should the Americans their invasion put out of a job counter-invade them?
          According to your logic, that would somehow be OK, right?

          Why can’t they do anything other than farming? Isn’t it their own fault for not getting an education? That’s the excuse you always use for whites out of a job, right?

          As to taking what they THINK they deserve, then you’re admitting they’re parasites. How about “They have the RIGHT to rob us, we have the RIGHT to kill them for it!”? Sound fair?

          It wasn’t forced on the government or the upper classes, but rather the poor people, who obviously didn’t vote for it. (Just as in the US where the common people didn’t like free trade either).

        • Jason Y

          Again ep-gah doesn’t understand the US economy is large, especially the mega-farms. This agricultural dominance destroys third world farmers once free trade is put into place. As I said in other comments, the farmers among others, are forced into a situation of emigrating.

          Of course, some of them have chosen unsuccessfully to fight, as we saw in the Chiapis war in Mexico. However, even if they lose they can just say “fuck it” and go to the US, and as you say make 5X more than back home.

    • EPGAH

      No, it’s more like if you have a lemonade stand in front of your house–but everyone who buys a cup thinks they have an automatic ticket to live in your house forever and ever.

      Kicking them out is perfectly just since their “Better Life” means a worse life for their hosts.

      They’re coming here because they can get 5X more money for no extra work, not because “Free Trade”. And even if your excuse were true, does that automatically entitle them to destroy the economic health of America’s lower classes?

      Remember they’re not poor, Coyotes don’t work for free.
      So we have greedy, self-proclaimed “victims” destroying the economic health of others to make their lives better…what does that sound like to you?

      • Jason Y

        It’s true that the can make 5X more money, but they could have always done that, even in the 70s and 80s when they were coming in at a way smaller rate. Therefore, the main motivation now is a failed economic situation for the lower classes caused by free trade.

        If it were true the Lations were always coming in, then how come now California is mostly Latino, but it wasn’t the case in the 70s or 80s. It also wasn’t the case places like Tennessee had a large hispanic population, as they do now.

        • Jason Y

          Perhaps we need to look at links to verify if there has been a populaton increase in Latin America, and if that really explains the illegal and legal immigration increase after NAFTA.

  2. Rus

    It is the geography that attracts any people (not only good people) to California. We do not have Alaska being a most populated, prosperous and rich region on Earth. If not gold and some mineral resources Alaska would be an unpopulated desert at all. Nobody is eager to live there. But California has been destined to be what it is even without the gold rush.

  3. TJF

    To Jason Y:

    Perhaps we need to look at links to verify if there has been a population increase in Latin America, and if that really explains the illegal and legal immigration increase after NAFTA.

    There was a dramatic increase in population throughout Latin America in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. The birthrate in Mexico in 1970 was 6.83 children per woman (it’s now down to 2.2 births per woman). Mexico either had to dramatically change it’s economy or export labor to avoid substantial social unrest.

    https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_tfrt_in&idim=country:MEX:JPN:LBN&hl=en&dl=en

    It’s true that the can make 5X more money, but they could have always done that, even in the 70s and 80s when they were coming in at a way smaller rate.

    Look to the collapse of commodity prices in the mid 80s, the bill signed by Reagan granting amnesty to illegal aliens in 1986, and the rapidly expanding population of Mexico and Central America.
    (See link above 6.86 births per woman in Mexico in 1970). The rapid increase in population combined with a declining resource economy led to a dramatic decline in living standards, with the US giving a wink and a nod to accepting illegal labor, the rest is history. Laws against illegal immigration which had been enforced in the 50s, 60s, and 70s were ignored by the mid 80s. (Read up on Caesar Chavez’s attitude towards illegal aliens in the 60s and 70s.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez#Immigration

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