If You Look White and You Act White, You Are W

RL: Who are these Amrenners saying Spanish = non-White? Are they Nordicist retards?

Another William Playfair Web: I agree 100% (a Pure agreement ) that the one drop rule is bullshit. It’s getting pretty absurd.

Back to your question, indeed, many of those saying that “Spanish=Non-white” are Nordicists.

However, not this time; rather they are low-IQ Trump supporters. I know an Italian lady who got called a ‘Mexican’ by one….

…’and that is why we can’t have nice things’, as the cliche goes.

Taylor himself says, “I am not a Nordicist.”

Some of the biggest Amren commenters are Meds, and they never took kindly to that Nordicist crap. There are also quite a few on there who have up to 10-15% Amerindian in them, and no one seems to complain.

I really think we need to go over to the Latin American model where if you are 75-85% White, you are White. Of course that lets in most Arabs, North Africans, Iranians, Turks, Caucasus people, Afghans, and even quite a few Pakistanis, mostly Punjabis. It would also let in some Indians like Punjabis and Kashmiris, but those are just Whites to me anyway.

Honestly to me, all of those people are just Whites. I deny that there is much of a genetic difference between European Whites and Whites outside of Europe. If you spend a lot of time around non-European Whites, you will notice that they seem to be part of your “family” like any White person is, and also that they more or less act like Euro Whites too. And the non-Euro Whites assimilate to mainstream (White) US culture very easily, which implies once again genetic closeness.

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75 responses to “If You Look White and You Act White, You Are W

  1. mietteliäs

    Yeah they are white but not a nordic. South-Europeans and North-Europeans have different mentality because North-Europeans have more hunter-gatherer dna in them.

    • Prove it. Prove that northern and southern Europeans are genetically different.

      • Jason Y

        What about Russians (slavs etc..)? They are a northern people. Would they be hunter/gatherer. Hitler thought slavs were sub-human.

      • While I wouldn’t be shocked it was the case, I actually read that it wasn’t so much as it being due to mixing with Arabs/North Africans as it was that they simply lived in different environments and differentiated.

        Granted, a lot of where I read this was from Meds, but they do make a nice point about how the “swarthy” idea of them isn’t as monolithic as some would think at least in the case of Italy but as I said I’m nit researcher on the subject.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Phil- I think you’re right.

          I remember seeing on the National Geographic Autosomal population origins research that the Danes were 17% “Southwest Asian” by DNA, while the Spanish were only 13%. I think Southern Italians might have also been 17%, but I’ll have to check.

          My mother was half Mediterranean-English (originally Greek) and my dad was mostly Iberian, I think. Despite having decent Mathematical skills, my Spatial ability is garbage. I initially thought that had something to do, as blogger “Pumpkin Person” believes, with ice age exposure. Very few of the Mediterranean guys I know like video games as much as the Nordics do. That also would lead me to believe that there is a spatial ability gap (also relates to the hunter-gatherer mindset, possibly). However, that would not explain guys like Pablo Picasso, and Salvador Dali…..

        • Jason Y

          We have several African graduate math students at my university. No explanation from WNs on how this could come about via the WN mythology they spout out constantly.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Basically, there are mild differences between the groups in Phenotypes, obviously, but no evidence of major genetic differences (just differences in expression, perhaps), however there is no real evidence of significant non-European ancestry, except that some Spaniards have prominent jaws, like sub-Saharan Bantus.

          Here is the link to the National Geographic Study; https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-population

          For anyone wondering, here is a link to the anti-Spanish comments;
          http://www.amren.com/news/2015/08/ann-coulter-donald-trump-ted-cruz-understand-the-immigration-primary/

          like I said, these guys weren’t Nordicist, at least not typical ones. They were even more damn stupid than that.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Just a follow up:

          I was looking at a few things on AmRen the other day and went back to the articles I posted on this comments section. Actually, some of were Nordicsts, I asked the guy about one of the remarks that Ted Cruz ‘isn’t white’ and he basically admitted he was a nordicist.

          On a somewhat separate note, the “comments” section on American Renaissance has degenerated beyond StormFront. Pictures of a bloodied black, were posted, with comments that he needed a “veterinarian”.
          Another photo of a Black Scientist holding a test tube with a Green-ish blue liquid with the caption “Liquid watermelon, I’ve found it”.

          Honestly that is on par or worse than what I see on StormFront. American Rennaissance is not intellectual in any way, their political ideology is not compatible with what they science they proport to believe. Asians, yes North Eastern ones, are openly bashed on American Rennassiance. Jews are referred to as threats. American Rennaissance, at this point, has no more intellectual clout than David Duke.

        • That’s sad. While I regarded a lot of the followers on that site not that noble, I had some respect for the institution of Amren for an escape from Anti-whiteness despite some shortcomings that doesn’t make it very attractive to me.

          If it helps, this site JewAmongYou, while not a place for the sensitive, is quite as bad and is more straight to the point.

          The blog author I’ve actually talked too and is a very nice guy.

        • rafaelborjas

          That sounds nice. I’ve read a little bit of “Jew Among You”.

          It is indeed a shame that American Renaissance has fallen.

          HBD blogs are facing there own border crises of their own, with the, as the New Yorker put it “Dawn of the Brain Dead” (Donald Trump supporters flooding unto the sites).

          Their ignorance/low-IQ invaders are destroying the highly intellectual conversations that used to be had; something WE created! Our building of great things is getting us destroyed! (satire)

        • Gay State Girl

          Rafael Borjas

          Love it!

        • rafaelborjas

          I say it in jest, but it’s true. Satire is good for exposing truths in my opinion. I just love satire (I’m a jew at heart😉 )

      • mietteliäs

        Well all Europeans are genetically pretty similar but there are some differences between South and North-Europeans.

        If you compare south-europe and north-european ancestry here it show some differences.
        https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

  2. Jason Y

    Nordicists are pretty strange. Since they don’t think meds, and that would be my appearance also, are white, they don’t really care who they date as long as they don’t have blonde or light brown hair.

    However, looking at Italians and even many in East Tennessee (a lot of dark haired whites), they seem dislike dating blacks very much, and to a lesser extent Mexicans or Northeast Asians.

    • Jason Y

      Being skinny or fat, or having a ultra-beta personality seems to drive away more women than being a certain race (Med, Nordic, black etc..) I could be wrong though. Seems like people hate blacks where I live and anyone who looks black in any form, including whites who look black. If they happen to be skinny or fat, lol, then double or triple the rejection.

      Boo hoo !!! Sad face.

  3. Jason Y

    Actually if you happen to be a white racist, and saying this even though the ideology repulses me, it would make more sense to be a nordicist, if you happen to be blonde haired, brown haired etc..

    Actually the idea doesn’t totally repulse me, but I think people should have freedom of choice. If you really feel the white race is going extinct, especially the nordic one, then feel free to marry your own kind.

    Note, The problem comes when families, governments try to say, “You can’t date a black person etc.. It’s illegal etc.” It all boils down to tradition, and you can’t regulate tradition for the most part. A family that thinks the white race is going the way of the “dodo bird” will promote “same race marriages” among thier members. However, sometimes those people can be assholes as they become preachy (as does anyone following a religious doctrine), and want to “force” others to be like them.

  4. RockT

    There was a famous WN who once said that if you look white, act white and fight white; you are white. That was a guy who actually fought, unlike the keyboard “nordicists.”

    • I would be lying if I said that there shouldn’t be a disambiguation between WN commenters.
      On one hand, I heard one argue that acting civil would be watering down there true feelings about it, saying it will dilute the movement.

      On the otherhand, the other tactic got them, what, nowhere?
      I guess it is almost pointless for alot of them, I mean people like them were evolved to attack against people they see as enemies. The sacrifice was the higher plane of comprehension.

      Granted, not all are like that but a good many and ironically many try to say that they are a minority despite how widespread they’re behaviour is, deja vu.

    • Jason Y

      It seems like the people they hate the most are those who vocally support non-whites, as opposed to whites who look non-white, but keep thier mouth shut.

  5. Jason Y

    If Spike Lee movies are a guide, Italians are so racist they put USA southerners to shame. Also, the Portuguese were some of the biggest enslavers of Africans, even though many of them share the same hair type.

    • Another William Playfair Web

      I think you see the same thing with some Mestizos, some old Cubans, etc.

      It was mainly the criminal mafia ones that acted that way, they wanted to be good criminals, not like the blacks.

      Others who were not criminals had fewer and more controlled interactions, so they were pretty much indifferent.

      I would be willing to believe in that in the modern day, when it comes to issues of race, mostly, Italians are more liberal than other White European ethnicities.

  6. Bill Williams

    I have been around East Indians (mostly Sikhs) all my life and I feel no commonality with them. One can see that they have substantial caucasian genes in them but the rest of what they have in them lowers their intelligence and gives them a darker and more vulgar countenance. Iranians have a great variety, where some could pass for Europeans and some look like the typical dark Sikh with the dark skin, hairy body and hooked nose. Most of them are generally of a low intellectual level and participate in ethnic and lowbrow activities so I am lucky to not cross paths with them very often.

  7. Horatio

    Nordicism arose from an inferiority complex. They had to explain away the contradiction between their belief of racial superiority and the fact that Civilisation flourished in the south first. Why did ancient Greeks have science and philosophy and cities and trade and we didn’t?

    So they concocted this myth that Southern Meds were actually Nords! They darkened due to race mixing. None of this makes sense though. Ive heard this argument about Egypt, India and even applied to the Orient! This begs the question as to why Nords built civilisation elsewhere and not at home, and how Greeks who are supposed a mongrel race are quite homogenous. Did the race mixing happen evenly and instantly? Thats not what we observe in places we know it happened, like India and South America.

    My take is, if two people of a population consistently produce children who look part of that population, they are the same race.

    So Greeks and Germans are the same race, white, because despite different colouring, They can consistently produce childen who would look nor out place in a white country. You cant say the same for a white/black pairing. There are whites outside of Europe who again, if were assimilated would still continue white traits. Behaiviour is important too (parhaps most important). There are subtle behaivioural differences between races, definately.

    So for me, whiteness is about continuing the broad physical and mental traits which are characteristics of the group identified by the term white. There are groupings within this spectrum, but they arent that prominent in my opinion, nothing like the diversity in say the black African population.

    • Jason Y

      The Vikings were nords and were savages of the first degree. So what does the commenter ep-gah have to say about that? OK if nords are so great, then why didn’t the Vikings practice civilization instead of the same crap that ep-gah likes to pin on ghetto blacks?

      • mott69

        You know zip about Vikings, JY.

        They were very civilized back at home. They basically invented democracy- their ship crews were democracies, and every Viking town/village was a democracy. Every town was laid out in an orderly fashion and was ruled by a town council.

        The women were in charge when the men were away doing their “thing”- which was trading and diplomacy just as much as rampaging, pillaging, etc. Vikings and their descendants soon became the upper classes of Euro society in every city/town they settled and/or plundered (they often did both at once).

        Vikings didn’t just invade, killing and burning, raping and looting. That’s an old myth. They would always keep their “hosts” guessing, and they would often be very peaceful. When Vikings came, they would trade, invest, interbreed with and assimilate into the Euro societies they invaded.

        A lot of this savage- vs. civilized stuff is derived from climate. If it’s freezing cold, you wear animal furs/skins and grow your beard and hair long for warmth.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          I don’t think so. My grandfather, whose surname is Norman-English (although he is actually, it appears predominately Mediterranean-English), took a Y-DNA test and got Scandinavian. Obviously Vikings.

          My grandmother on the other side is practically albino, and has gout, which her doctor attributed to Scandinavian ancestry (she was half-Basque, half-Iberian, or roundabouts).

          They were rapists. Yes.
          They also did some good too, however. I won’t deny that.

    • mott69

      You are more than a little off-base. Nordicists can be kinda wacky, but it’s not from really from an inferiority complex. That’s b.s. They have a superiority complex, and they have some facts to back it up…

      As to why civilization first flourished in the “south,” meaning towards the equator…

      What we call “civilization,” as in Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians, developed first in warm, relatively friendly Mediterranean climates next to temperate oceans that facilitated trade. And also it often developed in river valleys/deltas, areas with good soil and crop irrigation. This was the case in Egypt, India and China.

      Why? Because it’s easy to establish large permanent settlements that can grow and expand, enrich themselves by trade, in such a climate. It had not as much to do with the race of people involved as the climate and geographic location. Being in a place that was hard to invade helped, too.

      Nordicists, hard-core ones do think that Greeks and Romans came from the North. And that is pure speculation. The fact is it is not known where they came from exactly, but the Romans probably came from Central-Eastern Europe and some think the Greeks came from the Baltic area. But it doesn’t really matter, because Nordicism basically claims that Northern Euros are the de facto inheritors of that Greco-Roman civilization, regardless of the geographical origin of the Greeks and Romans.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        Of course, I think an Ice Age caused a delay in Northern European development, however that would make the Northern and Southern Europeans EQUAL, not support the notion that the Northern Europeans were smarter.

  8. Horatio

    Northern Europe was more civilised that we give them credit for. After all, much out opinion is based on rather biased histories.

    Nevertheless, there is still a world of difference. I remember reading a diary extract from Geobbels where he laments Hitlers search for Nordic civilisation in Germany by means of archaeological excavation to compare to Ancient Greece. This discrepancy bothered the Nazis, and they were desparately trying to prove a narrative that they were culture bearers back then.

    The “Ancient Greeks were Nords” hypothesis won out, and persists to this day, despite evidence literally set un stone which shows otherwise.

  9. Another William Playfair Web

    Maybe it’s petty, but just because Trump’s supporters, in general, are so god damn stupid, I will never support him. Never.

  10. Another William Playfair Web

    “Honestly to me, all of those people are just Whites. I deny that there is much of a genetic difference between European Whites and Whites outside of Europe. If you spend a lot of time around non-European Whites, you will notice that they seem to be part of your “family” like any White person is, and also that they more or less act like Euro Whites too. And the non-Euro Whites assimilate to mainstream (White) US culture very easily, which implies once again genetic closeness.”

    Robert Lindsay 2016

    • Another William Playfair Web

      That’s an “inconvenient truth” as Al Gore would say, for both White Nationalists and so called “race realists” who are white supremacists masquerading as such.

  11. Tulio

    “If you spend a lot of time around non-European Whites, you will notice that they seem to be part of your “family” like any White person is, and also that they more or less act like Euro Whites too.”

    Tell that to the all the German women assaulted in Cologne.

    • Tony Swagger

      Yeah I dont agree with what Robert was trying to convey. People arent that much dumb not to notice the differentiation. Those moslems regardless of their skin color should be in their sandboxes.

      • There’s nothing wrong with their genes! They have the same genes that the Euros do, but the Muslims come from a fucked up Muslim culture that makes them incompatible with non-Muslim Euro societies. These are basically White Muslims who need to be kept out of Europe because all Muslims are incompatible with non-Muslims. Even White Muslims are not compatible with Euro Whites.

        • Horatio

          There is quite a diversity in the Middle East. Some Middle Easterners, such as some Syrians and Lebanese would pass as Southern or even Central European no questions asked. Others never would. I wouldn’t lump them all together.

          I think the jury is out what role genes play in culture, and what aspects of culture are genetic and what is environment and what is just based on history. It seems complex, in that more likely genes code for behaivioural tendencies, which may, or may, steer a particular culture one way or another.

          I think Europeans have a tendency to challenge ideas, to develop new thoughts, which doesn’t necessarily mean progress, but it does mean change. A European civilisation may or may not be a better place to live, and this may have nothing to do with genes, but genes may make European civilisations more dynamic and chaotic.

        • Jason Y

          Possibly Muslims are proof again White supremacy (race realism etc..) is fantasy mythology BS. Muslims are they way there are because of thier religion. In fact, even some of thier genetic defects were caused not by natural selection, but rather the prophet’s permission for first cousin marriage.

        • EPGAH

          That IS natural selection, idiot!
          NOT marrying your cousin is an artificial limitation, thus ARTIFICIAL selection.

          Same with those who say “Homosexuality occurs in nature, so it must be OK for humans”–without noticing that in nature it’s to show dominance, not for fun, unless bullying is fun?

        • Jason Y

          How about fucked up and inbred?

        • Jason Y

          quote by ep-gah

          That IS natural selection, idiot!
          NOT marrying your cousin is an artificial limitation, thus ARTIFICIAL selection.

          It’s natural to want to screw your first cousin? Really😆

        • To Jason,

          Well, yes depending on the natural pressure. If a population was isolated, it increases that likelihood. If not, it decreases.

        • rafaelborjas

          phil- only if needed to reproduce at all. Such is not preferred. I don’t think Arabs in the desert were anymore isolated than Germans in the forest.

          and of course to EPGAH “Arab” also means anybody from Europe but not from Germany, Scandinavia, or the British Isles

  12. Horatio

    The backwards Muslim culture doesnt prove white supremacy is a myth, or validate it.

    It is just an observation of the apparent correlation between race and backwards culture. No one can defintively say its just culture or genes, because there are many variables to exceptions. Arabs acting white are exposed to a different environment AND genetics, so there are two variables. I think it incorrent to point to assimilated members as proof because in these cases a different genetics is forcing the culture.

    To reliably determine, we would have to see Arab nations adopting white civilisation with a genetically Arab society. To this, I say occasionally close but no cigar.

    But I observe the more the genetic makeup of a region moves towards another nation, the more the behaviour moves towards that nation too. Arabs may act white in a white society, but as the proportion increases things change back.

    Individual gene make up isnt what matters. Its the aggregate genetic makeup of society overall.

    • Jason Y

      I don’t know. 70 percent of the Pakistani population is marries thier first cousin. How can there not be clear damage from that?

  13. Jason Y

    Why are there dumb Swede and dumb blonde jokes? 😆 Is that some sort of Jewish plot? Shouldn’t cold weather natural selection produce the opposite?

    • While not completely sure, I actually heard a convincing argument that it was due to a lot of “ditzy” types of girls dying their hair blonde rather than being naturally blonde,

      Also, while the Joke exist, that doesn’t dispute the data on Cold adapted people in a general sense.

  14. S.D.

    If I walked up to 10 White Nationalists and asked them which cities in Europe-or even what country-their great-grandparents emigrated to the States from I doubt they would be able to tell me.

    Mexican-Americans rarely know where their Spanish ancestors are from either, I should add.

    White Nationalists have little or no connections to their European homeland.

    Usually it is someplace they would not really want to move back to. A backwater in Bohemia broken by Communism or Northern Ireland. Not Norway or Germany.

    This is why they cannot return to Europe. Their connection is too distant or the place is a backwater of Europe that nobody would want to live.

    “Duh, dude I’m white”,

    If they DO KNOW they are rarely Nordic Norwegian-American bankers from Duluth, Minnesota or Dutch farmers from Michigan.

    They are Slovaks from Pennsylvania or Ulster-Irish from Tennessee. Or some Anglo-Celtic of some sort.

    The children of actual Nazis who managed to slip into Minnesota or Eastern Texas German communities tended to keep real quiet about.

    They do not join Nationalist parties and tend to downplay their ancestry completely.

    German-Americans like Trump tend to shy away from Nordic for fear of being associated with Nazism. Frederick Trump told Jewish tenants he was Swedish! (Which just shows Gentiles will lie to Jews for a buck as well).

  15. Ultra Cool

    Dear Robert, you are correct in that all this Euro-elitism needs to stop among Whites. I believe any reasonable pro-White movement should not exclude non-European Caucasians because they are not less White or Caucasian than Europeans, it should reject the mental illness that is nordicism completely because non-Nordic Whites are not less White than Nordics either.

    A good pro-white movement should certainly not exclude Whites with some degree of non-White ancestry, different people have different views, but I think when you are 3/4 White you can be thought of as White already, demanding purity is chidlish and you don’t stop being White because you have some non-White ancestry.

    As you put in another post, our race is a big family spanning from Iceland to India (perhaps the country with largest White population by numbers alone), pretty much all Europeans, West Asians and North Africans are White/Caucasian and elitism only hurts and fragments our people. If you look White, you’re White, that’s it.

    • Tom Jones

      Good point, because after all, Asian organisations in western countries such as America don’t discriminate against dark-skinned Filipinos vs. light-skinned Chinese, Koreans or Japanese right? In those organisations, one can find all sorts of Asians, even Indians from the sub-continent, who are Asians too!

      However, ethnically and culturally, Indians have very little in common with white people and given that any pro-white movement would be advocating for the rights and protection of the culture of white people, it’s difficult to imagine Indians would have anything in common with such an organization nor would they provide any solidarity.

      Even if Indians are Caucasian, they are NOT white! I think you would struggle to convince any Indian to jump on the pro-white movement bandwagon by convincing them of this connection. Besides, the issues that white people are facing, particularly in regards to demographics and of course the sick ideology that is cultural Marxism does NOT in any way affect Indians. Never has and possibly may never will.

    • Paul Vann

      What’s this panic in the White Nationalist community?
      Haplogroup R existed tens of thousands of years in Africa and India among Black people before the existence of Whites the so called Caucasoid phenotype existed also. So now Whites the least genetic diverse among all people wish to misappropriate diversity and include all those people previously excluded, as White, this is laughable.

      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(mtDNA)

        Actually The only point in Africa that had Halpogroup R to a major and extensive degree was the Horn region.

        The Haplogroup appears to have originated from South Asia.

        Also, the Dravidians of India were of as Caucasoid-Australoid cross, overweight towards Caucasoid and were not “Black” as in traditional archetypes of Africa.

        Also, the “Black race” is actually fairly young compared to Caucasians, the past races in Africa being in a distinct cluster with Bushmen and Pygmy types that would eventually evolve into them.

        BTW, I find it funny how previously you discouraged racism yet here you are patronizing those in ethnic situations you clearly show to have a thin understanding of and making an irrelevant point on genetics.

        • Jm8

          “Also, the “Black race” is actually fairly young compared to Caucasians, the past races in Africa being in a distinct cluster with Bushmen and Pygmy types that would eventually evolve into them.”

          This is not really the case.
          Ancestral Nilo-Saharans (most East Africans) and Niger Congo speakers(most West Africans), or at least their languages, split sometime around 12-15,000 bc (perhaps earlier). Their ancestral group would have been quite different from Pygmies or Bushman(who do not belong to the same cluster, having diverged separately, and Bushman much earlier than anyone else). Then there are Hadzas, Sandawes, Omitics, and other small remnant groups.
          The “Black race” is hardly one thing. No modern groups as we know them existed in the paleolithic, but neither did “Caucasians” in their current form (just groups of proto-Eurasians, proto-West Eurasians, Proto-East Eurasians, Proto-South Eurasians/Proto-“Australoids”, vaguely understood intermediates thereof… etc).

        • By “evolved into them” I meant as in them evolving into the Basal Group for Nilotics and Niger Congo Blacks, not implying that they themselves were representative of the Basal Group.

          As well,

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-birth-of-the-caucasian-race/

          While you can make the argue that, indeed, past populations don’t represent modern ones my point was that their was at a point in prehistory where the formation of modern Macro races formed, and according to this post by Robert that found early Caucasians (in the sense of them being differentiated humans to become modern ones) were found at around 40,000

          However, Europeans in the modern sense are about only as old as the ancestral black race that you mentioned.

        • Paul Vann

          I speak of Black but you can interchange African, now who do you consider older than the African? You people are so busy dividing populations so as to create some perceived advantage for Whites.
          As I stated, the Haplogroup R and the phenotype were established long before a population bottleneck ( a nice way to say incest ) or Albinism created Whites. It appears that Whites are descended from Africans in India, India being the most genetic diverse place outside of Africa.

        • Jm8

          40,000 bc is around the time modern humans entered Europe and far earlier than when anything classifiable as Caucasoid existed. The first Aurignacian peoples were probably replaced by the later Gravettians( ca. 20,000’s bc) and Magdalenians (at least partly derived from the Gravettians) ca 10,000’s bc), then admixed with neolithic peoples from the Near East. The earliest remains from Europe(late paleolithic-mesolithic e.g.: the la Brana remains from Spain ca. 8,000 bc and some North European samples) show dna different from all groups of modern caucasoids/western Eurasians, but with some affinities to both modern Northern Europeans. But the divergence of Western and Eastern Eurasians according to some could date to as early as 30,000 bc, making (one could argue), as you have said, early peoples in Europe broadly proto-Western Eurasian or proto-Caucasian.

          The ancestral African group (the Basal Group for Nilotics and Niger Congo Blacks), may have resembled the Hadza (and/or modern Omotic peoples, or surviving hunter gatherer groups in East Africa), who are usually at least as similar phenotypically (really significantly more similar, perhaps esp. the Hadza) to Blacks/Negroids(from Nilo-Saharan and most Niger Congo groups), as to Bushmen (or Pygmies).

        • Jm8

          “… the la Brana remains from Spain ca. 8,000 bc and some North European samples) show dna different from all groups of modern caucasoids/western Eurasians (and not quite fitting into their cluster as it currently exists, as I understand), but with some affinities to (mostly) modern Northern Europeans, as well as relict affinities to other Eurasian groups; Eastern Eurasians etc, since “bred out” of modern Western Eurasians.”
          http://www.unz.com/gnxp/three-streams-of-european-ancestry-in-nature/

        • Jm8

          …I believe the European hunter gatherers of the dna studies I refer to are late; about 10,000 bc or later.

        • “I speak of Black but you can interchange African, now who do you consider older than the African?”

          Actually, you can’t really “interchange” Black and African in all contexts. You could mean Capoid, or the cluster of Pygmies and Bushmen.

          “You people are so busy dividing populations so as to create some perceived advantage for Whites.
          As I stated, the Haplogroup R and the phenotype were established long before a population bottleneck ( a nice way to say incest ) or Albinism created Whites. It appears that Whites are descended from Africans in India, India being the most genetic diverse place outside of Africa.”

          Even if that’s the case the point is that over the course of time extreme divergence occurred. By using the term “African” all that tells is the location, not the actually genetic relation to the descendant.

          The Hofmeyr Skull in Africa is said to share affinities with Paleolithic Eurasians, likely having relations with the people that expanded out of Africa.

          “Its strongest morphometric affinities are with Upper Paleolithic (UP) Eurasians rather than recent, geographically proximate people.

          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/the-hofmeyr-skull/

          And you said “you people”, I’m Black.

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/a-look-at-precontact-igbo-society/

          And I actually don’t participate in dividing for advantages, however that is supposed to work, I do it for the sake of scientific accuracy.

          Jm8,

          “40,000 bc is around the time modern humans entered Europe and far earlier than when anything classifiable as Caucasoid existed. The first Aurignacian peoples were probably replaced by the later Gravettians( ca. 20,000’s bc) and Magdalenians (at least partly derived from the Gravettians) ca 10,000’s bc), then admixed with neolithic peoples from the Near East. The earliest remains from Europe(late paleolithic-mesolithic e.g.: the la Brana remains from Spain ca. 8,000 bc and some North European samples) show dna different from all groups of modern caucasoids/western Eurasians, but with some affinities to both modern Northern Europeans. But the divergence of Western and Eastern Eurasians according to some could date to as early as 30,000 bc, making (one could argue), as you have said, early peoples in Europe broadly proto-Western Eurasian or proto-Caucasian.”

          Alright then. I suppose I may’ve confused concepts of Macro Race vs. Ancestors. As for the using Pygmy and Bushmen I used those terms to avoid using Capoid for the sake of creating more controversies than this thread needs.

          I’ve seen Hadza and I quite agree that the resemble Blacks the most and the ancestors most likely looked like them as opposed to Pygmies or Bushmen.

          The ancestral African group (the Basal Group for Nilotics and Niger Congo Blacks), may have resembled the Hadza (and/or modern Omotic peoples, or surviving hunter gatherer groups in East Africa), who are usually at least as similar phenotypically (really significantly more similar, perhaps esp. the Hadza) to Blacks/Negroids(from Nilo-Saharan and most Niger Congo groups), as to Bushmen (or Pygmies).”

  16. S.D.

    JASON Y AND DUMB SWEDES

    Scandinavians had been floating around the Northern Great Lake states and Hudson Bay since Eric the Red but only in the late 19th and early 20th centuries did they pour into the Northern Midwest.

    Similar to Appalachia and Scots, Northern Midwest states were the last resort for the poor of Scandinavia.

    Most were simply uneducated and impoverished laborers. A few were criminals and dregs.

    They did indeed seem stupid and uncouth to the few old French-Canadian and Yankee families who actually lived in the Northern Great Lakes areas.

  17. Another William Playfair Web

    Robert, it’s me again (I changed my email because my account got banned somehow, remember?). Once again I have a recent question.
    I’m assuming you’ll probably say “no”, but I was wondering if I could do a guest post/opinion piece on the “decline of the Spaniard”, how (we) went from Francisco Franco to Illegal wetbacks in less than a century. I’ll get my grammatical the best they can and of course you could edit it. Most Spaniards interested in human biodiversity or white supremacy are in denial about these issues.
    I am a Second Generation Cuban-American, with a Portuguese surname, and I have DNA test (Y-Chromosome) results, (also helps connect to cousins) which could show some recent ancestry, coming soon.

  18. jorge

    “Act like European whites”? What is this? For god sake, culture mold our behavior infinitely more than race. So being white don’t have nothing to do with the behavior of a person. In all case, culture is what have some to do.

  19. S.D.

    A Brazilian once told me that many of the Portuguese who arrived in Brazil were criminals or vagrants or if female, street prostitutes, from Lisbon.

    Perhaps Jorge can shed some light on this subject.

    Was Brazil settled by the “dregs of Lisbon”.

  20. S.D.

    When a population of European males of questionable morals and behavior arrive in another country you soon see a huge, poor mixed population.

    Cholos were beget by disreputable, amoral white males who clearly were not terribly concerned with their livelihood.

    My point being that white males are at least somewhat responsible for the vast swathes this. They after all engaged in escapades with indigenous girls whose children were born out of wedlock.

  21. S.D.

    It is actually the North of Spain, with its admixture of Celtic blood and fairest complexions that is the most backward part of the country.

    The part of the country nearest Morocco has always been the wealthiest region.

    Cubans can attest to this as Castro’s father was one of the many to leave impoverished villages in Northern Spain.

  22. Ultra Cool

    What do you actually mean by act White? If you look caucasian, you’re White, race influences behavior but behavior itself shouldn’t be used to determine race, only phenotype and/or genotype should, race is about the body, not culture.

  23. Another William Playfair Web

    http://www.amren.com/features/2014/05/race-at-universities/

    I honestly don’t actually spend much time reading the “comments” section on AmRen (at least for post-Trump articles), because they are cess-pool and do nothing to further the learning of someone who did not struggle to pass High School/has an IQ over 90.

    However, reading another AmRen article, one of the prominent assaliants referenced in this post, wasn’t actually saying that Ted Cruz wasn’t White because he was Spanish, so he must have been referencing either Cruz’s Arab roots or thinking that Ted is a Mestizo.
    Maybe he wasn’t stupid/ignorant, but just blind (hears/reads braille of “Cuban” and thinks non-White🙂 )

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