The Ronettes, “Be My Baby”

Ronettes live at the Big TNT Show, Hollywood, California, November 29, 1965. What a magical moment that was! How can it be that 50 years have gone by since this was recorded. Dig those hairdos too and the gyrating chicks in the background. Hippies weren’t quite here yet. It was Beatniks seguing into hippies around this time. The jerking and swaying miniskirts in the background is Beatnikism all the way. The Vietnam War had just been escalated dramatically. The Beatles were huge. The Rolling Stones, their darker twin, exploded in the background. LSD was still legal. What a Hell of a time to be alive.

That’s Ronnie Specter on lead vocals. There is something so special about this young woman. Veronica Bennett (Ronnie Specter) and her older sister Estelle on the left were mixed race – Irish, Black and Cherokee. It was the Black-Indian mix that gave them their exotic good looks. The other similar looking beauty, their cousin Nedra Talley, was Black, Cherokee and Puerto Rican – a similar racial mix, as she looks so much like the sisters that it is hard to tell them apart.

Here is the famous studio version, polished by the master, Phil Specter. Great music. Not sure about the hairdos though. Beehive hairdos anyone? The B-52’s were born too late.

The video is a series of snapshots from the era. Check out those hairdos! Check out those outfits! Go-go boots! Miniskirts!

More great Black musical artists. Will they ever end?

Racists say Blacks have never done one damn good thing for our country. Bull. What about music? Pull out the Blacks, and the whole thing unravels. The Blacks are that one special chord stringing it all together, from Gospel and Ragtime to Jazz to Blues to Rhythm and Blues to Rock and Roll to Motown to Hendrix to disco, the Blacks never stop playing and swaying.

What do White people have instead? Country music. Great, good job Whites.

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49 responses to “The Ronettes, “Be My Baby”

  1. Teen Qween

    This song was covered by an Australian group called “the teen queens” in the 80’s/90’s. They modelled themselves on groups from the 60’s with beehive hairstyles and white knee high boots. They were hugely successful I think. I mean, to me they were but I was probably five or something. I had their album on cd. This song is kind of sad though. The teen queens were three, like these girls.

  2. SHI

    Robert, how do you feel about grown-up men who live with their mothers. Nowadays it’s becoming a very common trend everywhere. Apparently, it’s a great arrangement for business-people such as restaurant and hostel owners, shopkeepers and others who never really move out of their home towns.

    Last time I saw my mother was like 1 year back because she’s in another town far away from where I am living, a good 2500 kilometers away. That is the norm of course but increasingly, I run into SONS and even DAUGHTERS who never left the crib.

    I could understand a man wanting to stay close to his elderly, sick mother but in most cases, the overgrown kids never really had a chance to get off of the apron strings.

    There are of course, some advantages of such an arrangement. For starters, you tend to save a lot of money. But, the whole idea of living with your mother after a certain age sounds so rotten and idiotic – how can anyone put up with that.

    • SHI

      Heh heh, there was a whole television series on that thing called Mama’s boys of the Bronx. These are all Italian Americans, I believe they happen to be built that way. The same as in Italy. Guido suckers!!🙂

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2121230/Mamas-Boys-Bronx-Meet-grown-men-live-home-let-mothers-EVERYTHING-them.html

      A new television show titled Mama’s Boys of the Bronx tells the story of how growing up means never having to leave your mother.
      The lives of five employed Italian-American men in their thirties who are unapologetically proud they still live at home are chronicled in the new eight-part TLC series.
      Having their rooms cleaned, underwear ironed, medicine cabinets stocked with their favorite hair gels, and most importantly, their dinner cooked mama-style, the show gives a glimpse into this Italian-American culture in The Bronx, and in particular on their street Arthur Avenue.

      • Jason Y

        The Italian-American culture strikes me as sexist. Why dont those guys get the fuck out out of thier mama’s house? I mean, these guys can even score employment. Give me a break. They’re is no excuse.

        Sexist and wimpy. HA HA what a combo. Only in New York City.

        • Jason Y

          Note, despite thier “mama’s boy” thing going on, they’re the biggest homophobes (and racists) on the planet. I guess of these fags can call them mama’s boys as a good comeback.

    • Marilyn

      I’ll answer this one. I think it shows brains. Why unnecessarily move out and be poor? Live at home & save. Be man of the house, and help out your mum with everything. It demonstrates a good close relationship with your mother if you live at home, which is something women want! Women want a man who is close with their future mother -makes it easier for them.

    • Jason Y

      Perhaps a big problem with some of these guys is either mental illness/retardation, the fact mothers won’t let them go (the biggest reason), and no money to buy rent either to lack of a job, or dependence on limited SSI/Social Security payments.

      Of course though, if a guy lives near his mother, then isn’t it the same thing? I think so. Also, if a guy gets government housing, then is he really a man? That’s up to debate. He may be living independently, but the government has become his mama.

  3. Whoopi GOLDBERG

    It looks terrible if your parents have a nice place, but your doing it tough living independently. It screams that they Do NOT want you at home – which makes one wonder WHY and WHAT IS WRONG WITH SO AND SO IF EVEN THEIR OWN PARENTS DONT WANT THEM AROUND.

  4. Jason Y

    They’re definitely mixed raced. Is Phil or any of those guys going to say they’re ugly abominations? I hope these girls don’t get a blood transfusion. Oh my ! lol They’ll be dead in 2 hours.

    • First of all, I NEVER said anything referring to both mix race people AND beauty. I did talk about them independently but not together. Also, are these people even representative of the mixed race population?

      Using anecdotes and other various fallacies rather than data.

  5. Well, if we are going to go into Jazz, technically it has it’s roots in European folk music but when it started to include Blacks and started teaching them how to use European instruments, other Blacks who weren’t as well trained were taught.

    Towards those who practiced European Jazz, the lower class blacks sounded horrible but to the public they actually sounded great. This is due to some European biased towards African music, in which they treasure Melody and Harmony rather than hard emphasized Rhythm.

    And honestly, yes, it does sound unappealing without proper melody however I’ve read from Basden “Among the Ibos” Book that with a good melody, African Music can have a very strong sense of hitting human impulses.

    In short, Black Rhythm plus White Melody equals damn good party music.

    • Also, I don’t remember the sight, but when reading about different racial skulls, blacks were said to have the best ones for singing. I’m unsure about it referring to all aspects of singing, but to be fair I do recall blacks being the loudest and when reading a nice book written in either the early 20th century or late 19th century it mentioned that musical investment of Blacks have been noted sense the pygmies, who were known to actually produce some rather soothing music.

      Are blacks the best in music, I hold my reserves. I think they indeed have aspects that can make them prominent in music in some form or another (based on European ethnography on Blacks with Dancing and Blacks having a rather high Rhythm Quotient based on Richard Lynn’s studies) but when you take account for composing for example, blacks are quite under represented.

      I think Black-white hybrids could be among the best due to adjustment in IQ and Melody/Rhythmn quotients.

      • Jason Y

        I think Black-white hybrids could be among the best due to adjustment in IQ and Melody/Rhythmn quotients.

        Give me a break. Gosh. Is there anything not genetically influenced? How about the influence of culture, or effort?

        • Jason Y

          I know one thing for sure. Music is incredibly based on effort. Whoever that is on top is there because they went thru massive pain to get there. There could be some bias based on looks, but even ones with “stereotypical” good looks, still probably worked like a dog to get where they’re at. This was especially true in the pre-internet age where you couldn’t market yourself at all.

        • “Give me a break. Gosh. Is there anything not genetically influenced? How about the influence of culture, or effort?”

          Where did I say that neither mattered? In the grand scheme of things, you NEED potential to begin with and with tha said these are just my thought based of different POTENTIALS.

        • Jason Y

          More people got potential than you think. Of course, I have no data on this, but it’s good guess. Ultimately, it’s lack of time, laziness etc.. keeping the talented down.

        • “More people got potential than you think.”

          What impact is that suppose to have without any information to back it up? I never even said either group was less musical than the other, all I said that there are particular asepcts of music that. on average, are higher in both groups, thus individuals with both, hybrids for examples, would likely have more potential.

          “Of course, I have no data on this, but it’s good guess. Ultimately, it’s lack of time, laziness etc.. keeping the talented down.”

          Again, what is this suppose to mean in regards to my thesis? I didn’t say either population was deprived of musical excelling, plus if you actually read the sentence that you quoted from me you see that it was a GUESS, a better one than yours no doubt considering I actually mentioned sources, which would be
          https://books.google.com/books?id=GaUSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=ibos+savage&source=bl&ots=YQnS8n2nZ0&sig=ldmgSjK_DIoi4JoO7iGC64etAKc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz7fvy-7jKAhWK7SYKHe02D4EQ6AEILjAE#v=onepage&q=ibos%20savage&f=false

          For the case of African music with Melody with it’s effects on human impulses and Richard Lynn’s Musical ability results.

        • Jason Y

          quote by phil

          For the case of African music with Melody with it’s effects on human impulses and Richard Lynn’s Musical ability results.

          Would this argument be similar to the one about crime, where it’s clear beyond reason (even viscous child soldiers to testify) that purebred Africans are no more violent and mean than mixed ones in the New World?

          I saw the movie “Blood Diamond”, and what I saw on it, and it was based on true accounts, gave me no impression pure bred Africans were less violent.

        • “Would this argument be similar to the one about crime, where it’s clear beyond reason (even viscous child soldiers to testify) that purebred Africans are no more violent and mean than mixed ones in the New World?”

          The only connection between this and Black criminality is rawer impulsivity in Sub Saharan nature. However I see this as less destructive, for the description of the dancing scenes based on the book the festivities weren’t particularly violent.

      • Jm8

        Much African music is quite melodic. Styles vary quite bit. Some is both melodic and very rhythmic.
        Some examples are:
        that of the Sahel/Sannah of W, Africa (some of which) has a bardic traditon heavily based on stringed instruments (harps and lyres are common all over W. and Central Africa). Some use the Kora (a 21 stringed harp-lute)

        Some compositions are quite old ,performed by a bardic caste in the Mande speaking cultures, and some surrounding tribes) and are thought to date to ca. the middle ages. Bardic music in general tends to be repetitive
        Examples of a Mandinka Jelw caste song (some other traditional ones; Kelefa, Miniam ba, Sundiata)
        ‪”Lalo Keba DramĂ© – Jula jekeré‬”

        “SOUNDIATA KEĂŹTA, l’empereur du mandingue”

        A traditional Fulani/Wolof tune is on Youtube (same uploader as the above) under “ndiaro, air peul‬” (I don’t want to leave too many copy pasted videos)
        The melodies of the blues are often very similar to those of the Wolof and Mandinka.
        The music of the Igbo and Edo(and other groups of S. and central Nigeria) has some melodically complex/driven music.
        The Igbo flute tune at the end of the video below is traditional. It reminds me a bit of Calypso. Igbos, along with peoples of the Western Congo (and to varying degrees, the Akan/Ashanti) were the largest single groups enslaved in the British Caribean.

        Some of the devotional Bwiti Music of Gabon/South Cameroon is another example.
        The differing merits of different African music were noted by explorers. The early traveler and ethnologist Emil Torday said that the Luba tribe( around Zaire) had good music but that of the Kuba tribe’s was unimpressive. The Kuba/Bushongo, with their kingdom and refined arts(which impressed Torday) were otherwise one of the most advanced cultures in the region.
        Ragtime was also largely invented and composed by blacks: eg: Scott Joplin, Scott Lamb, James P. Jahnson (composer of the Charleston tune), Eubie Blake

        • Jm8

          A lot of Edo tunes(the Edo subgroup called the Bini were responsible for the kingdom of Benin) are similar to Igbo ones, but are more likely to be choral than played on the flute like Igbo tunes are(though the Edo have flutes).

        • At first I didn’t like the Igbo music, but listening to it after hearing the other two it really started to grow on me.

        • Oh and Jm8, as for the Bini Igbo similarities, I believe it was due to Diffusion because I’ve read of many of the Igbo Towns having origins of it inhabitants migrating from the Bini.

        • Jm8

          The igbo flute tune starts at the beginning about 0:7-1:34, then resumes at the end 5:06

        • Jula Jekere sounds the best.

        • As for Ragtime, while it indeed was introduced in to the early 20th century by Blacks, there was a fair share of European influence based on hybridizing folk music.

          However, I do believe in certain aspects that are similar to African culture.

        • Jm8

          Some blues tunes are also closer to those of the Voltaic peoples (North Ghana, Burkina), N. Cameroon and Central Africa.
          see:
          “The African Roots of the Blues” . Parts 1-6 Youtube
          and “Africa and the Blues” by Gerhard Kubik
          musical sample comparisons:
          https://www.muziekweb.nl/Link/KEX0746/Africa-and-the-blues

        • Jm8

          The traditional melodies of the Bambara tribe (which are different from those typical of the related Mandinka) are actually probably especially close to blues, and closer generally than are those of the Voltaic-speaking peoples, contra Kubik (and than those of the Mandinka, with Wolof, Fulani, and Soninke music somewhat closer). A lot more Barbara were taken as slaves than Voltaic-speaking people, so no surprise.). But it seems that there is general similarity/relationship (of blues tunes) to Savannah/Sahellian ones in general (including where some Voltaic tribes live), and (perhaps secondarily), to Western Congo/Western Central African (both important sources of slaves to the U.S.)

          “POYI! Bamana jeli music, Mali and the blues Lucy Durán”
          http://eprints.soas.ac.uk/19491/1/CJAC_A_792725.pdf

          Eg: the versions of “Bakari Jan” by Bazoumana Sissoko and Fanta Demba.
          https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bakari+jan
          Sissoko’s “Bakari Jan””

          a tune called “Poyi”:

          Something played by Bassekou Kouyaté:

          Some other traditional Bambara songs on youtube (also in the Bard/griot genre) : “Njaari”, “Janjon”, “Mbawdi”

      • Jm8

        “… I’ve read of many of the Igbo Towns having origins of it inhabitants migrating from the Bini.”
        That’s true, especially around Onitsha. Otherwise, some stylistic similarities might relate to the common cultural origins of the West Benue Congo speaking peoples (which includes the Igbo, Edo, Yoruba Igala, Itsekri, Nupe, and some others concentrated toward Central Nigeria) and/or regional (areal) mutual influence in the broad S. Nigeria region
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Nigeria

      • Jm8

        “Jula Jekere sounds the best.”

        It’s a song in honor of a wealthy merchant of the 18th or early 19th century (probably sung usually for his descendants). I’ve loved the style since I was a kid.

        The Jula/Dyula or Wangara are a branch of the Soninke (Mande speaking like the Mandinka) ethnic group, that are often merchants. Tira Makan (about a warrior from the Mali empire) is pretty good too on Youtube under “Tira Makan (Tomoraba Tuning)” played by Foday Musa Suso.

        • Jm8

          Jelw(casted bards/griots) were sometimes retained by the descendants of notables(like aristocrats/ the common descendants of aristocrats and other notables), and were required to memorize the genealogies of prominent families(with famous ancestors), sometimes going back to the middle ages.

  6. Guy from Montréal

    A good classic.

  7. I like rap and hip hop. That’s black music right there! I mean white people created horrible things like country music and square dancing.

    These god damn losers. The amount of faggotry is too high in this video. Thank god for rap and hip hop dance moves. It’s actually entertaining to watch.

    • The sad thing is that it has more emphasis on gangsta antic s nowadays.
      People have complained for a long time about some stuff like sex and profanity in rapping, but that doesn’t neccessaril apply to all and even then not all used in in poor taste.

      For example you have this

      then this shit

      On can not simply “remix a classic” and maintain quality.

      • I like her ass. At the end of the day it’s just entertainment. Stop being so uptight Phil, let people have fun.

        • I confess that this “Anaconda” comparison wasn;t exactly the worst that is out there, and there was some parts of the song that I actually liked but there were just some parts that just came off as too Gaudy.

        • By Gaudy I particularly referring to the imagery used. It just wasn;t used as aesthetically composed as the original but to each their own TBH

        • I’m looking at the original song and noticed the guy is dancing on top of a giant ass lmao wtf.

        • Yeah, that was something I noticed. While bvoth used some rather Bizarre imagery, the first one had more of a Tongue in Cheek feel to it while the remix felt, well, I honestly don’t know.

          Perhaps I may’ve been too hard, but some of the parts just didn’t stick too well for me but I actually did like the main rhythm of the lyrics.

        • This is the song I’ve been listening to for the past two days. It’s just so catchy, I think you might hate it though Phil lol.

        • Actually that one wasn’t so bad.

  8. Jm8

    I would’t knock country music (wholly). I personally enjoy the older, more British Isles folk-sounding stuff (not so much the modern pop-Country incarnation, now more popular) like; Fidlin John Carson, Doc Watson, the Skillet Lickers.

  9. Subliminal Star

    I’ve been definitely meaning to see the movie that was made not too long ago titled “Phil Specter.” I know that Ronnie Specter really socked it to him in her testimony at his murder trial; and after the way he mistreated her during their marriage, he deserved it. She was such a beautiful woman when he married her. He was out of his mind to treat her as badly as he did. She deserved much better than him.

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