“HBD: Like Father, Like Son,” by Phil

This is an excellent guest post by commenter Phil. Although a lot of people are saying that he should not get so wrapped up in this thinking at such a young age, the truth is that a number of young, high-achieving Black men have written me with the exact same concerns as Phil. To put it succinctly, they are having identity problems identifying with a race whose men are seen, often rightly so, as unintelligent, slacking, dropout, poor-performing, amoral if not immoral, chaotic, impulsive, violent, misogynistic and often out and out criminal.

A lot of antiracist types, especially Black antiracists, take a hostile attitude towards these young men because they are airing dirty laundry that the antis don’t want aired and especially because these men are suggesting that the Black race as a group of people are a problem in need of fixing or at least ameliorating. Nothing enrages typical Black antiracists more than the notion that there is some sort of a problem with Black people or that Black people need fixing in any way, shape or form. I do not agree. There is a problem with Black people and Black people are definitely in need of fixing or at least ameliorating, which is a more realistic goal. These Black antis want to bury their heads in the sand and go on blaming all of the problems of Blacks on White people. Not only is that based on a false theory, but it’s also not going to go anywhere. Where has seeing the problem as rooted in this theory gotten us so far? Not very far.

That’s reasonable because in order to deal with a problem, you need to first figure out what it causing it in the first place, and most Black antiracists do not even have the cause of the problem correct. You can’t fix a problem with your until you figure out correctly what it causing the problem. If you don’t have the cause right, you will just fix parts that do not need fixing and you will never find the part that is actually causing the problem.

I do not think we should mock or deride these young men as what they are experiencing seems common in young high-achieving Black men now. If you care about Black people or are Black yourself, I think you might want to listen to the identity dilemmas of these young men.

There are times when I look at my brownish-yellow skin, positive attitude and achievement in education compared to my peers, introverted personality and fidelity towards my superiors and I dare to wonder if I’m even Black. After multiple ancestry tests, I came out 15% European and 2% Amerindian, leaving me below average in European admixture, average in Native American, and overall, below average in non-African admixture for a typical U.S. Black. That’s not to say that by pointing that out that I’m ashamed of myself because I’m not for three reasons.

One, there are many Black populations in Africa with ME and North African admixture that I’m sure still see themselves as Black.

Two, I have no grudge whatsoever towards Caucasians in general, and I actually rather like many.

Three, I made more White friends than Black friends, so I had an idea in my head that I wasn’t really Black in some ways even before I went into HBD.

Funny, since I already believed in racial differences in behavior despite being raised in the era of Cultural Marxism, I guess I always believed in it to an extent, and so did my dad.

Before becoming what he is today, my Dad was generally a punk but a smart one. By that, what I mean he was what he asshole in school. Meaning the kid who always has his hand up in class and makes the others look bad. Anyway, he still did various crap, among them bringing a gun to school in his sock to scare a bully, the typical drugs, booze, and girls stories, etc. Needless to say this stagnated his future.

Over time though, after hearing his friends complaining how the white man can make it but they can’t, he saw Whites and other Blacks making it, and he had in his mind “I’m going to learn what they got that I don’t”. Eventually, he narrowed it down to behavior and aspirations. Included were work ethic of course, maintaining yourself, and trying to understand more of the world than your immediate surroundings.

Of course, another thing he learned was that you can’t help those who can’t help themselves. He doesn’t really believe in handouts, and he doesn’t even believe environment is the sole reason many Blacks make bad decisions.

During a table discussion mere weeks ago, my mother was talking about the challenges in her early home environment in Crooklyn that held her back as far as opportunity and resources go. My mother, in contrast to my father, grew up with better sense than he did, which is typical behavior in Black women that was recorded even by early anthropologists in Africa. When she asked my father what held him back, he explained that the only things that held him back were his own decisions. He was even repulsed by the idea that of crediting to environment what was the fault of his own decisions.

After embarking to improve himself, he associated with the right “crowd” and achieved, but he didn’t abandon his roots like my mother did with hers in New York. He calls himself Upper Lower Class. From cleaning my room to my social habits, driving, and college, my dad has advice on what my mindset has to be for near everything significant in life now and in the future.

However, the one that I remember the best is his philosophy of “bringing one with us.” He said that it’s a belief amongst him and his fraternity that if each bring one with us, we could ameliorate some Black problems. He says we didn’t have to stop at one, but one is the basic requirement. I share this belief with my father, but I aspire to bring more than one with me keeping in mind that I can’t help those who don’t want help.

So I look back at myself and ask, am I Black? Considering I’m very passionate in general, laugh strongly at the slightest joke, and can be ferociously violent when provoked, I would say yes, I am Black. The difference being my comprehension is better than most.

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302 responses to ““HBD: Like Father, Like Son,” by Phil

  1. Thank you Robert, once again.
    BTW, I just want add in regards to admixture, my Native American, while miniscule, may not be so below average. I while I believe it is lower than the average for a general New World Black, it’s probably about the average for a U.S one. Most Black with significant Amerindian admixture typically are of Central and South America.

    • http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2012/01/african-americans-and-recent-evolution.html

      This says the average for the two groups for AA’s are 21% European and 2% Native American.

      Interestingly enough, when doing my ancestry measurements, my brother found some West Asian like components likely traces from Mixed areas of Africa, I think at 0.5-1%.

    • EPGAH

      THANK YOU! This is a wonderful writeup!
      Sadly, too many say it’s “the environment is bad”, but don’t realize they (and their fellows, of course) are the ones who MADE “the environment” that bad!

      And worse, they use that as a copout, a reason to give up, rather than try to better themselves. And of course, “anti-racists” coddle this, telling them the Evil Whites are keeping them down.
      Take Jason Y–PLEASE!

      • Jason Y

        What a load of shit. HA HA The people made the environment bad?? Your way over-estimating the power of ordinary people to change things.

        All the macho behavior in the world won’t change a lot of people’s circumstances. All the pep rallies in the world won’t make the football team win. You take into consideration the environement, no matter how “wussy Mr. Rogers” that sounds.

        A lot of this stuff seems to be coming from that American “We can do it.” , capitalist stuff. Yeah, that’s true in some cases, but alot of times it sure isn’t.

        • EPGAH

          Are you saying the inhabitants of an area do NOT make it better or worse? That is a load of shit.

          No, think about it. My parents grew up in Detroit. Detroit USED to be a great place, and more importantly, a SAFE place. The Blacks moved in, a Black Mayor disbanded the STRESS Units and the streets are unsafe, kicked off by a week-long riot in 1967. Do you disagree that is changing the environment?

          Take Ferguson’s demographic shift. Why were there no riots until the last two years?

          Take South Africa or Haiti. Formerly rich, prosperous countries, then overthrown by Blacks and they become Rape Capitals of the WORLD!

          And yet, take America. A blank land, with streetless street gangs fighting over turf, women, hunting-rights, water, or personal affronts. Noone bothers building up a country, because others will just destroy it or steal it. Then the British Proto-Americans come along, tame savage land and savages ON the land, and make it a great country, the premiere inventors of the last century!

          Or take South Africa BEFORE the savages took it over. Dutch fleeing British go 6,000 miles out of their way, find an are so inhospitable SAVAGES don’t even want to live there, create working farms, mines, a COUNTRY that savages want to move into…and later, takeover!

          I think you’re the one that has the “We Can Do It” problem. As in “We Can Improve The Environment WITHOUT Improving (Or REMOVING) The Thugs In It”. You sure can, but they’ll just fuck it right back up again. So it’s a waste of time/money/effort.

          America has rebuilt Haiti no less than FIVE TIMES! What keeps happening?
          How about Iraq? We rebuilt them at the cost of 2-3 TRILLION American dollars, right? Did or did not the savages fuck it RIGHT back up again, and then some?

        • Another William Playfair Web

          “How about Iraq? We rebuilt them at the cost of 2-3 TRILLION American dollars, right? Did or did not the savages fuck it RIGHT back up again, and then some?

          Are you retarded? No, seriously, are you retarded?

        • Another William Playfair Web

          EPGAY – Antarctica, is one. I mean, you could a bunch of super smart Whites there, what are they going to do?

    • EPGAH

      Or take Tulio’s recent “400 years of oppression” bullshit.
      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/jared-taylor-and-white-america/#comment-251176
      Which not only is bad math, but discounts that Blacks oppressed whites for 700 years…and whites don’t hold it against them!

      What we hold against them is their CURRENT behavior…And sadly, an increasing number of whites are jumping on the SJW Excuse Train and making excuses for their bad behavior rather than demanding they shape up or ship out, let alone GET shipped out!

      • Tulio

        Blacks have never oppressed whites. If you’re referring to the Moors, they weren’t black. They were Berbers from the Maghreb. Not sub-Saharan Africans. Though some SSA DNA is in N. African people. Those people do not identify as black.

        • Santoculto

          Never??

        • EPGAH

          Never? So what was the Haiti Massacre? I made it up and went back in time and put it in my own history book?
          What was the overthrow of South Africa? The Farm Murders in SA and Rhodesia that are still continuing to this day?

        • EPGAH

          What about the Turner Uprising? Or the Stono Rebellion? Or the NYC Conspiracy? Or the German Coast Uprising?

          Whites have to ignore an AWFUL lot of history nowadays to believe the “oppressed Black” bullshit, don’t we? If we didn’t, we’d all be rabid “racists”, “xenophobes” or whatever, treating every nonwhite we meet as a deadly enemy, because so many in the past WERE A DEADLY ENEMY!

          Most whites would rather forgive than fight back, and various savage groups have used this to their benefit; our detriment.
          Am I talking about the last 200 years or the last 2 years?
          YES!

        • Another William Playfair Web

          “The Stono rebellion”? Really, they were SLAVES. I would say go fuck yourself if I wasn’t so politically-correct.

  2. Santoculto

    Great text!!!

    Look how easy is the wisdom and how difficult it look for most people.

    The first victim of “black” pathology is the decent hard working black people. The first victims of dictatorships in Africa, in Haiti.

    Decent black people had been victims of binary/dualistic human thinking where indeed all kind of prejudices born and by psychopaths, real subhumans who infest every important position of leadership and influence.

    • No that you mention it, that has been the case for a while. I’ve read in the memoirs of Hugh Crow, he met with Igbo Slaves who were docile, compared to those in places like Aboh, and were lumped with a cannibal group of people named Quaws or Mokos. The Igbo ones were repelled by them and thought of THEM as savages.

      Igbo slaves typically have two types, those who were docile and were prone to suicide, and those who were like Mokos but not always Mokos who were violent and wild. Neither were seen fit for field work, though with intervention the docile ones were used as house slaves. The first I believe lived in towns with the violent type often like in Onitsha prior the early 20th century, then it wasn’t as bad.

      I also suspect the same to be with Aboh, for the building there were described to be well kept despite being filled with violent people. I wonder who kept the houses neat…

      • Another William Playfair Web

        A lot of people say the Igbo are a step above other ethnicity/tribes in West Africa. From my observation, it seems like they also have a distinct look.

        • What look would that be?

        • koll

          phil: This is probably based on a notion of some that culture/lifestyle makes people of the shared culture (cultural values) look alike. So it’s possible that people in Nigeria can tell who is Igbo and who is not just by visual appearance.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          I do not mean to degrade blacks- but they appear lighter, a dark brown, not black(which is common in West Africa, as I’m sure you know)………..I’ve seen others agree on other HBD “comments” sections.

          They also tend to not have stereotypically large lips, and tend to be of a more healthy weight (not overly heavy/athletic or thin).

          I’m not really confident about the last two observations, I do tend to notice the skin pigmentation very much, however.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Phil-
          This is a great picture to show what I am talking about;
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people#/media/File:Igbo_Roman_Catholics.jpg when compared to this;

          The lips, and healthy weight is notable. In retrospect, the light skin comparative to other Africans I just looked up, is not too noticeable/valid.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Oops forgot second link. It’s not really needed anyway.

        • Oh, I wasn’t acting offended, I was just testing whether or not you were going to bring up skin pigment.

          I can actually answer that. This was an observation by explorers for a long time, but despite that they generally carried negro-ish features, to a prominent degree oftenly. In other words, the only thing they have to indicate admixture based of reports was skin tone.

          In comparison, the Hausa, Fulani, and Yoruba based off of old reports were described to have been more mixed feature compared to them. I find this funny because many Nigerians try to say that Igbos are more mixed than others.
          https://books.google.com/books?id=GaUSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=ibos+savage&source=bl&ots=YQnS8n2nZ0&sig=ldmgSjK_DIoi4JoO7iGC64etAKc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz7fvy-7jKAhWK7SYKHe02D4EQ6AEILjAE

          Based of this book, Albinos in Onitsha of Igboland, compared to toher African tribes, were treated decently and weren’t viewed Abnormal. I think mixing with them was what caused the differences in skin tone despite being said in precolonial times to be very black in facial features.

        • Often, Igbos were recorded to even be Yellowish, thus I heard it was slang in the Carribeans to call someone of a yellow hue “Igbo”.

        • Chinedu

          A lot of people say the Igbo are a step above other ethnicity/tribes in West Africa. From my observation, it seems like they also have a distinct look.

          Igbos don’t have any look. While maybe about 10% of us are light-skinned, the majority are medium brown. Another 10% or so could be described as dark brown.

          Igbos come in all phenotypes. Some have broad features, others have narrow features. Some have thick lips and broad noses, others have thin lips and button noses, or combinations of those features.

          I don’t know about being a step above other tribes. Igbos do have a unique set of values which can help them or hurt them depending on the situation. In Northern NIgeria during the 60’s the Igbos’ hyper-aggressive, almost fanatical pursuit of success created much animosity among the Hausa Muslims, which contributed to the pogrom.

        • “wasn’t talking about albinism. We all know what albinism is. Light-skinned Igbos are not albinos. Albinos tend to be whiter than white people. That’s not what I’m talking about, although some Igbos can be lighter than Southern Europeans without albinism”

          Actually OCA2 albinism is gradient. If you read about it it causes lighter skin but not white skin, that’s OCA1.

          OCA2 also give lighter eyes, causing some to be blue or green but modt often hazel or light brown.

      • “Igbos don’t have any look. While maybe about 10% of us are light-skinned, the majority are medium brown. Another 10% or so could be described as dark brown.

        Igbos come in all phenotypes. Some have broad features, others have narrow features. Some have thick lips and broad noses, others have thin lips and button noses, or combinations of those features.

        I don’t know about being a step above other tribes. Igbos do have a unique set of values which can help them or hurt them depending on the situation. In Northern NIgeria during the 60’s the Igbos’ hyper-aggressive, almost fanatical pursuit of success created much animosity among the Hausa Muslims, which contributed to the pogrom.”

        This is actually true. The Light Skin in Igbos observed actually isn’t due to admixture but rather because Sub Saharan Africa actually has a huge prevalence of OCA2 type Albinism which can be be scene in many areas of the continent bu in Nigeria in Particular it is highest amongst certain tribes of the South East, but not Igbos exclusively.

        Also Igboes of modern times come from different origins, like Asbaba Igbos having some roots fro the Igala and places like Onitsha and Aboh having Bini routes from Benin.

        • Chinedu

          Phil,

          I wasn’t talking about albinism. We all know what albinism is. Light-skinned Igbos are not albinos. Albinos tend to be whiter than white people. That’s not what I’m talking about, although some Igbos can be lighter than Southern Europeans without albinism.

        • Chinedu

          Phil,

          No one knows where Igbos come from. Please stop speculating on things you know nothing about. There’s great phenotypic variability among the Igbos and other Africans. It’s just natural in situ variation.

          And what kind of “black man” says that all light-skinned black people are albinos? You gotta love these Internet “black men.” Hehe.

        • “Phil,

          No one knows where Igbos come from. Please stop speculating on things you know nothing about. There’s great phenotypic variability among the Igbos and other Africans. It’s just natural in situ variation.

          And what kind of “black man” says that all light-skinned black people are albinos? You gotta love these Internet “black men.” Hehe.”

          Actually I do know about the Igbo. From what I’ve read on book in Africa, myth suggest that Nri is where there culture comes from.

          Migrants from different Blacks kingdoms have adopted Igbo Culture and did set up their own townships.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onitsha

          http://thepointernewsonline.com/?p=8418

        • Chinedu

          Phil,

          So you know more about Igbos than an actual Igbo like me? You know so much about Igbos that you believed all light-skinned Igbos must necessarily be albinos? LOL.

          Migrants from different Blacks kingdoms have adopted Igbo Culture and did set up their own townships.

          Adopting Igbo culture doesn’t make you an Igbo, does it? All those folks retain their own language and customs. The Igbos are a big and influential tribe in the Southeast and Southsouth. Of course smaller tribes are going to be influenced by Igbo culture. But the Igbos are insular and clannish. Inter-tribal marriages are rare. My mom is Efik and her marriage to my Igbo father was a controversial event, as it was so rare. My mom eventually learned fluent Igbo but it was always obvious that she was not an Igbo woman.

        • http://www.academia.edu/6442785/History_and_Origin_of_Igbo_people_in_Nigeria

          Analysis of the sources that are available (fragmentary oral traditions and correlation of cultural traits) have led to the belief that there exists a core area of Igboland, and that waves of immigrant communities from the north and west planted themselves on the border of this core area as early as the ninth century. This core area – Owerri, Orlu and Okigwi -forms a belt, and the people in this area have no tradition of coming from anywhere else.

          Migration from this area in the recent past tended to be in all directions, and in this way the Igbo culture gradually became homogenized. Pottery dated at around 4500 BCE showing similarities with later Igbo work was found at Nsukka, along with pottery and tools at nearby Ibagwa; the traditions of the Umueri clan have as their source the Anambra Valley, and in the 1970s the Owerri, Okigwi, Orlu and Awka divisions were generally supposed to have been from linguistic and cultural evidence “an Igbo heartland”.[33]

          The city of Nri is considered to be the foundation of Igbo culture.[39] Nri and Aguleri, where the Igbo creation myth originates, are in the territory of the Umueri clan, who trace their lineages back to the patriarchal king-figure, Eri.[40]

        • In regards to the comment on Albinos, if you actually read my links it does show a prevalence in Nigeria and I didn’t say it was exclusive to the Igbo.

          All it is a phenotypical occurrence in Africa, you’re the only ones who pushing connotations of “albino”. Light skin is caused somehow biologically, so how would you explain it.

          “Adopting Igbo culture doesn’t make you an Igbo, does it? All those folks retain their own language and customs. The Igbos are a big and influential tribe in the Southeast and Southsouth. Of course smaller tribes are going to be influenced by Igbo culture. But the Igbos are insular and clannish. Inter-tribal marriages are rare. My mom is Efik and her marriage to my Igbo father was a controversial event, as it was so rare. My mom eventually learned fluent Igbo but it was always obvious that she was not an Igbo woman.”

          If you read that paper that I linked on Igbo history, it would show that not only did this happen but there was anew Igbo Nationalism that occurred.

          These migration took place during precolonial times, so it possible it could’ve happened. That point you made about influence is correct, which proves my point about how Igboes today have different origins.

        • Also, I never said anything about inter marriage (modern intermarriage anyway) but rather about how in the past there were migrations from kingdoms and others were influenced by Igbo culture and Identified as Igbo.

          For example, those of Bonny descended from both Igbo and Ibani people, a type that I believe is similar to Ijaw people.

        • http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/african-vs-european-albinism

          “Still, people with OCA2 can make some pigment, and the amount they make can vary a lot. They can look very light, or they can look almost like they don’t have albinism at all. However, they will still look lighter than their siblings or family.

          People with OCA2 can also get darker as they get older. Africans with OCA2 can actually get fairly dark skin, and they can have blue or hazel eyes.”

        • Chinedu

          Phil,

          All people are a hodgepodge of different people converging on an area to form a unique culture over time. No one says the Igbo emerged from the primordial soup and never assimilated any other people or traditions. But when talking about the Igbo, we’re talking about ethnic Igbos today. I couldn’t give a crap how they came to be Igbos thousands of years before. As I said, no one knows. The article you posted is speculative. Some people believe the Igbos have a Jewish connection or that the Jews have an Igbo connection. Again, no one knows.

          Now please get it through your skull that there are light-skinned black Africans who are neither albino nor admixed. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Every other racial group has skintone variabilty and you don’t expect Africans to? In fact black Africans have the greatest variability in skintone. It naturally ranges from nearly white to almost literally black.

          Human skin color diversity is highest in sub-Saharan African populations.

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11126724

        • Phil,

          “All people are a hodgepodge of different people converging on an area to form a unique culture over time. No one says the Igbo emerged from the primordial soup and never assimilated any other people or traditions. But when talking about the Igbo, we’re talking about ethnic Igbos today. I couldn’t give a crap how they came to be Igbos thousands of years before. As I said, no one knows. The article you posted is speculative. Some people believe the Igbos have a Jewish connection or that the Jews have an Igbo connection. Again, no one knows.”

          Well from what I’ve read of DNA of actual Jewsih descent in South Eastern Africa, Igbos don’t cut it.

          Which article said anything about Jews? I have seen these types of assertion before but a very unreliable, mainly attempts by the very religious.

          “Now please get it through your skull that there are light-skinned black Africans who are neither albino nor admixed. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Every other racial group has skintone variabilty and you don’t expect Africans to? In fact black Africans have the greatest variability in skintone. It naturally ranges from nearly white to almost literally black.

          Human skin color diversity is highest in sub-Saharan African populations.”

          But what is the actual gene that causes that though if not neither admixture or albinism?

          http://johnhawks.net/explainer/adaptation/skin-pigmentation/

          “Some of the genes that influence skin pigmentation also cause variation in hair color or eye color. For example, variation in the gene OCA2 explains most of the variation in eye color in Europeans. People with blue eyes are mostly homozygotes for an allele of this gene; these people also tend to have slightly lighter skin due to this allele. Likewise, the variation in the gene MC1R explains some of the variation in skin color in Europe, but also explains a large proportion of variation in hair color. Red and blond hair each result from some of the distinctive alleles of MC1R.”

        • http://www.healthline.com/health/albinism#Types2

          Do you think it’s a coincidence that OCA2 is most common in the Sub Sahara, where it’s shown to have the greatest skin pigment diversity ON TOP of the gene being found to be responsible of Skin tone variation in Southern Europe?

          http://omim.org/entry/203200

          More on the gene and it’s relationship in the Sub Sahara.

        • Joe

          1.10, 1.11, 1.12, 1.13, 1.14, 1.15, 1.16, 1.17, 1.18, 1.19, 1.20
          2.10, 2.11, 2.12, 2.13

          1 has a greater variance than 2. Is 1 a 2? Does it approach 2?

          Didn’t see anything in your study suggesting a variance towards light-skin. After all, variance is just the range of differences, not the deviation of differences.

        • To Joe,

          Are you talking to me or Chinedu?

          Anyways, OCA1, while the most common in Europeans, is also high is Sub Sahara as well.

          But more common is OCA2, which does produces light or at least Lighter skin, such as medium brown for example.

        • Joe

          To Chinedu

        • Chinedu

          Joe,

          If light skin wasn’t included in the range of coloration then Africans wouldn’t have the greatest color variation. We can also observe that many black Africans are indeed light skinned. You don’t need a study to appreciate that. My grandmother was damn near white in complexion.

        • Chinedu

          Phil,

          Save the pseudoscientific gobbledygook. Either someone is an albino or they’re not. Don’t believe me? Talk to a geneticist.

          I know you consider being mixed a mark of distinction and privilege. Umm.. It’s not. And I know it pains you that 100% black people can have features that don’t comport with your “true Negroid” stereotype. Well, suck it. But please stop embarrassing yourself by claimimg that light skin in Africans is a form of albinism. You’re literally making a fool of yourself.

          Regarding the Igbo/Jewish connection, I don’t care one way or the other. But the cultural and linguistic similarities are too numerous to be purely coincidental. How it happened? Who knows.

        • Joe

          Chinedu

          There is nothing in your study that leads to that conclusion. The goal of the study was to determine the variation, not the extent of the variation.

        • Phil,

          “Save the pseudoscientific gobbledygook. Either someone is an albino or they’re not. Don’t believe me? Talk to a geneticist.”

          So you dismissed my evidence of the OCA2 gene being responsible for genetic variation in skin by calling pseudoscience.

          “I know you consider being mixed a mark of distinction and privilege.” ….? Where did I say that?

          “Umm.. It’s not. And I know it pains you that 100% black people can have features that don’t comport with your “true Negroid” stereotype.”

          OCA2 is simply a gene that has been shown to be linked to Skin Variation. “Albinism” isn’t a disease, it just means less pigment, pigment/melanin amount being what determines the hue of skin/hair/eyes. You are the only one bringing up the connotations of albinism being treated as a separate group of people.

          Also, when did I say that just because they have light skin, they’re not Negroid? All the OCA2 did was create a new phenotype, it’s just that such an occurrence due to being a melanin reduce is scientifically albinism.

          Now, there are skin conditions connected with Albinism that puts a person’s health at risk but that’s different from genetic variation OCA2 creates.

          “Well, suck it. But please stop embarrassing yourself by claimimg that light skin in Africans is a form of albinism. You’re literally making a fool of yourself.”

          Well I’m not claiming that with sources, and the OCA2 gene frequencies in Africa supports my case and you have brought no argument stating otherwise.

          “Regarding the Igbo/Jewish connection, I don’t care one way or the other. But the cultural and linguistic similarities are too numerous to be purely coincidental. How it happened? Who knows.”

          You do know that archaeology is used to explain such connections? As far as I have read nothing indicates a real connection with Jews outside of circumcision, which isn’t a unique thing amongst African Tribes.

          It’s possible that from trade with Muslims (Egyptian beads in Igboland likely from the Days of Nri supports such and Idea) Abrahamic beliefs could have diffused their but as you said who knows,

        • “Well I’m not claiming that with sources, and the OCA2 gene frequencies in Africa supports my case and you have brought no argument stating otherwise.”

          I meant “without sources”.

          All you have done is claim the opposite of my arguments and said things that aren’t true about me such as my Hierarchy of mixed over pure blacks, all without source/quotes from me mind you.

          Again, OCA2 has been found to make skin varied in Europe, it’s high in Africa, and as you said Africans below the sahara are the highest in this trait so why not?

          Again, read this.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCA2

          basically melanin variants of these gene can create variation such as in skin, like one of my links saying so.

          If not, provide a link that proves otherwise.

        • Jm8

          Re: ” the Igbo/Jewish connection”

          Most of those purported similarities claims date from a period before modern cultural studies and come from a misunderstanding of comparative anthropology (parallels that are actually very common across cultures — eg: across Africa, the ancient Near East, the South Pacific, parts of Papua, and elsewhere — such as the isolation of menstruating women, taken as evidence of a link.

          Forms of soft monotheism and other vaguely parallel traits are common and extremely ancient in and native to African religion/others far from the Near East) and linguistics (being posited before the discipline truly existed) and are not really taken seriously by modern scholarship beyond religious circles and are not supported as far as anyone currently knows by the available evidence.

          Many observers were affected, as Christians, by Middle Eastern-centric biases (seeing the region as the source of true religion and civilization and all. Victorian hyper diffusionist scholars form the west — erroneously of course — tended to see Babylon as the source of all civilization) and a too narrow knowledge of African cultures for comparison (not broad/varied enough, some knowing few beyond their immediate region of experience).

          Some writer, European and sometimes African, having a Middle-Eastern-centric orientation based on the Bible – or sometimes Koran – may have seen Semitic links as a way to elevate or dignify the group (add prestige, respectability etc…) North West European tribes did the same thing in the middle ages. At one time the Welsh — or Cymry – claimed descent from the biblical Gomer.

          There was a tendency (in 19th-early 20th century western scholars — though not complete or universal) to explain all signs of advanced culture in Africa/sometimes elsewhere not fitting early ideas of true negro or authentic “Nigritic” culture by ideas of foreign Caucasian influence/cultural foundation (these being largely invalidated/undermined by modern archaeology, linguistics and genetics — at least in the case of West and Central Africa).

        • Jm8

          edit: “(these ideas being largely invalidated/undermined by modern archaeology, linguistics and genetics—at least in the case of West and Central Africa).”

        • Jm8

          “…Abrahamic beliefs could have diffused”

          Abrahamic ideas (especially of significance) are fairly unlikely since the trade link with Egypt was probably very indirect (with many African intermediaries). Any that did exist not would likely be very significant/important to the culture but rather minor add-ons, faint, vague, and regionally inconsistent—not ethnically defining.

        • Jm8

          edit: “…and regionally inconsistent — not defining/characteristic of the group.

        • Jm8

          Re: the “Oriental hypothesis”

          https://igbocybershrine.com/tag/jewish/

          “So by 2012,… the Oriental hypothesis, that Igbo culture and/or people is derived from Israel or Egypt had been abandoned by the very people that promoted it in the first place (Basden, Jeffreys, Palmer, Matthews, Meek etc) had been dismissed by serious indigenous and non-indigenous academics (Afigbo, Isichei, Onwuejeogwu, Mgbeafulu, Onunwa) and had never been taken seriously by traditional priests (Umeh) in the first place. You will not find arguments for the Oriental hypothesis in any recent academic journal, any recent dissertation or thesis, or any books written by traditional Igbo priests or practitioners.”

        • To Jm8,

          When looking up native Igbo Religion, it’s not really unique.

          Mainly, what made it appear to be like Monotheism was the focus of a main god however there still existed deities and spirits like other African Religions.

          As well as it’s priests regulating it’s citizens, technically Nri as being the theoretical homeland of Igbo Culture had a head called Eze along with a council initial like other African Groups. Often the Job of these councils were to advise and enforce customs but the difference here is the focus on the main god while most other customs the Europeans observed in Africans pertained to spirits.

          However, it has been viewed by other Africans that a chief or king represents a type of holy presence so it is possible this could’ve just spawn from some sort of paganism.

          Are you aware of any other African beliefs systems that work that way? The only I know of are the Yoruba being the closest. The thing is though is that they put more emphasis on the polytheism and the other gods were given more attention.

          I know little of the Igala, hearing that they worshipped Idols and that priest didn’t have that much power outside leading them to war.

          Considering how such close group varied, the results of Nri Igbo culture isn’t that shocking to be honest.

        • Chinedu

          Phil,

          Jesus man, this is why HBD is a farce. You think you can regale people with all this pedantic nonsense while intentionally misinterpreting the data that you yourself are posting. I say you’re doing it intentionally because you can’t be that dumb.

          From the wiki article you posted:

          Mutations in the OCA2 gene cause a disruption in the normal production of melanin; therefore, causing vision problems and reductions in hair, skin, and eye color. Oculocutaneous albinism caused by mutations in the OCA2 gene is called oculocutaneous albinism type 2. The prevalence of OCA type 2 is estimated at 1/38,000-1/40,000 in most populations throughout the world, with a higher prevalence in the African population of 1/3,900-1/1,500

          Nowhere in the quoted text or in any of the other stuff you posted does it say that this mutation that causes ALBINISM has anything to do with producing lighter skin in black Africans.

          Once again:

          Black albinos are whiter than white people. Normal light-skinned black Africans are not whiter than white people.

          Black albinos have severe vision problems. Normal light-skinned blacks have normal vision like everyone else.

          Albinism is a congenital disorder. Normal light skin is not a congenital disorder.

        • Jm8

          “When looking up native Igbo Religion, it’s not really unique.

          Mainly, what made it appear to be like Monotheism was the focus of a main god however there still existed deities and spirits like other African Religions.”

          One high god (olodumare among the Yoruba, Nyame among the Akan, Nzambi among the Kong/some Western Bantus) with lower intermediary dieties (with a range or functions, more prominent/elaborated in some cultures than others), is a common trait particularly of Niger-Congo speaking cultures(but not radically different from some pagan religions elsewhere).
          Hence, “forms of soft monotheism”.

        • “Nowhere in the quoted text or in any of the other stuff you posted does it say that this mutation that causes ALBINISM has anything to do with producing lighter skin in black Africans.

          Once again:

          Black albinos are whiter than white people. Normal light-skinned black Africans are not whiter than white people.

          Black albinos have severe vision problems. Normal light-skinned blacks have normal vision like everyone else.

          Albinism is a congenital disorder. Normal light skin is not a congenital disorder.”

          But you missed other info as well. OCA2 again can cause people to have some pigment.

          This link talks about it’s affects with Africans.

          http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/african-vs-european-albinism

          “The most common type of albinism like this is called OCA2. The broken “air conditioning” here is the broken OCA2 gene, which causes problems with the acidity inside the melanosome. This makes the melanin making process slow way down, meaning less pigment in the end.

          Still, people with OCA2 can make some pigment, and the amount they make can vary a lot. They can look very light, or they can look almost like they don’t have albinism at all. However, they will still look lighter than their siblings or family.

          People with OCA2 can also get darker as they get older. Africans with OCA2 can actually get fairly dark skin, and they can have blue or hazel eyes. This could be the type of albinism that the person you’re talking about has.”

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK1232/

          “Individuals with OCA2 are usually recognized within the first three to six months of life because of the ocular features of visual inattention, nystagmus, and strabismus. Vision is stable to slowly improving after early childhood until mid- to late teens, and no major change or loss of established visual acuity occurs related to the albinism. The amount of cutaneous pigmentation in OCA2 ranges from minimal to near-normal compared to others of the same ethnic and family backgrounds. Newborns with OCA2 almost always have lightly pigmented hair, brows, and lashes, with color ranging from light yellow to blond to brown. Hair color may darken with age but does not vary substantially from adolescence to adulthood. Brown OCA, initially identified in Africans and African Americans with light brown hair and skin, is part of the spectrum of OCA2.”

          http://omim.org/entry/203200

          Description
          “Tyrosinase-positive oculocutaneous albinism (OCA, type II) is an autosomal recessive disorder in which the biosynthesis of melanin pigment is reduced in skin, hair, and eyes. Although affected infants may appear at birth to have OCA type I, or complete absence of melanin pigment, most patients with OCA type II acquire small amounts of pigment with age. Individuals with OCA type II have the characteristic visual anomalies associated with albinism, including decreased acuity and nystagmus, which are usually less severe than in OCA type I (Lee et al., 1994; King et al., 2001).

          OCA type II has a highly variable phenotype. The hair of affected individuals may turn darker with age, and pigmented nevi or freckles may be seen. African and African American individuals may have yellow hair and blue-gray or hazel irides. One phenotypic variant, ‘brown OCA,’ has been described in African and African American populations and is characterized by light brown hair and skin color and gray to tan irides. The hair and irides may turn darker with time and the skin may tan with sun exposure; the ocular features of albinism are present in all variants (King et al., 2001). In addition, previous reports of so-called ‘autosomal recessive ocular albinism,’ (see, e.g., Witkop et al., 1978 and O’Donnell et al., 1978) with little or no obvious skin involvement, are now considered most likely to be part of the phenotypic spectrum of OCA1 or OCA2 (Lee et al., 1994; King et al., 2001).

          “Clinical Variability

          Chiang et al. (2008) noted that heterozygous carriers of the common 2.7-kb deletion in the OCA2 gene (611409.0001) from sub-Saharan Africa are not hypopigmented. However, Caucasian individuals with Prader-Willi syndrome (PWS; 176270) or Angelman syndrome (AS; 105830), who are haploinsufficient for the OCA2 gene, often show hypopigmentation. The authors concluded that the phenotype of haploinsufficiency for the OCA2 gene depends upon the genetic pigmentary background of the individual. Chiang et al. (2008) presented a Hispanic family in which the proband with OCA2 was compound heterozygous for the 2.7-kb deletion and another pathogenic mutation in the OCA2 gene. Family members carrying the heterozygous 2.7-kb deletion had mild skin hypopigmentation without ocular defects. The findings suggested that haploinsufficiency of the OCA2 gene can contribute to skin hypopigmentation that may be more obvious in Caucasian or Hispanic populations compared to Africans, who have color above the threshold of distinction. The report of Chiang et al. (2008) was in agreement with the findings of Sulem et al. (2007), who found a role for variations in the OCA2 gene in skin/hair/eye pigmentation (SHEP1; 227220).

          Here it shows that for populations with different standards of melanin, traits such as ocular problems vary the darker you get.

          That’s also consistent with the study above this one.

          Also, where does it say in the study you gave that it distinguished albinism from the procedure? Nowhere.

          Abstract

          Previous studies of genetic and craniometric traits have found higher levels of within-population diversity in sub-Saharan Africa compared to other geographic regions. This study examines regional differences in within-population diversity of human skin color. Published data on skin reflectance were collected for 98 male samples from eight geographic regions: sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, Europe, West Asia, Southwest Asia, South Asia, Australasia, and the New World. Regional differences in local within-population diversity were examined using two measures of variability: the sample variance and the sample coefficient of variation. For both measures, the average level of within-population diversity is higher in sub-Saharan Africa than in other geographic regions. This difference persists even after adjusting for a correlation between within-population diversity and distance from the equator. Though affected by natural selection, skin color variation shows the same pattern of higher African diversity as found with other traits.

        • Jm8

          edit: should be: “…Any that did exist would not likely be very significant…”

          Also:

          Forms of sacral and divine kingship also arise at different times in both Nilo-Saharan and Niger-Congo cultures and other places on earth. Its not really that special (on sometimes different cosmological bases). Christopher Ehret’s books for instance on early Africa have a decent exploration of this, without my going into too much detail.

        • Chinedu

          Jm8,

          Igbos were always monotheistic. Our names provide abundant proof of that. Virtually every Igbo name makes reference to God. Not gods, but God. There are also ancillary figures in Christianity, Judaism and Islam, angels, prophets, saints and such. But that doesn’t make those religions polytheistic.

          As far as the Jewish connection, it’s of passing interest to me. But from what I can tell, mere coincidence is an inadequate explanation. By the way, the Israeli ambassador to Nigeria says he’s sure the Igbos are descended from Jews. But there are those that say that the Jews are descended from Igbos.

        • Chinedu

          Phil,

          There are African ethnic groups with much higher rates of albinism than Igbos, yet they don’t produce nearly the percentage of light-skinned people as Igbos. The incidence of albinism is relatively high in Tanzania, yet it’s difficult to find light-skinned pure Africans there there that aren’t albinos.

          I cant believe I’m even having this discussion. Please find a geneticist and talk to him/her.

        • “Igbos were always monotheistic. Our names provide abundant proof of that. Virtually every Igbo name makes reference to God. Not gods, but God. There are also ancillary figures in Christianity, Judaism and Islam, angels, prophets, saints and such. But that doesn’t make those religions polytheistic.

          As far as the Jewish connection, it’s of passing interest to me. But from what I can tell, mere coincidence is an inadequate explanation. By the way, the Israeli ambassador to Nigeria says he’s sure the Igbos are descended from Jews. But there are those that say that the Jews are descended from Igbos.”

          How Jews could’ve came from Igbos is unlikely considering how Igboes are a Niger-Congo Culture versus Jews being deep within semitic beliefs. Aside from hearsay, what exactly is their for Igbo origins of Jews?

          As for the reverse, reading up on Odinani, Igbo Paganism, it did have a central figure but as Jm8 mentioned that it wasn’t the only one. The only difference was in regards to actually being now real pantheon of Gods but spirits themselves and “forces” of the mind and Earth and various other properties.

          These come in the forces of Alusi, symbolic forces. While not treated as goods, un like angels who are rather general their are actual definite names and associations such as with the earth or virtues of man. It is also said that communities also each represented one. Honestly they don’t seem that different from regular pagan deities in terms of roles except that they are classified as spirits, yet consider Animism was common in Africa not a distant practice from where Igbos lived geographically.

          Actually, some seems similar to Yoruba beliefs.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_religion

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinani

          Particularly with the cosmology. In Judaism, everything is basically directly connected to God yet with these two thing are more indirect with distinct characteristics point distinguished and separated. With Judaism the only exception I could find was with focus to the text.

          Overall the only major characteristic that come of as Abrahamic is the virtue of being one with the paramount force and the use of priest as guides for that virtue but in the way connections are principle indirect and the presences of lesser entities to be paid attention to it seems more Hindu like than Judaic.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism#Defining_characteristics_and_principles_of_faith

          VS

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#Diversity_and_unity

          Also, this wasn’t the first time a group was associated with Hebrews.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes

        • “Phil,

          There are African ethnic groups with much higher rates of albinism than Igbos, yet they don’t produce nearly the percentage of light-skinned people as Igbos. The incidence of albinism is relatively high in Tanzania, yet it’s difficult to find light-skinned pure Africans there there that aren’t albinos.

          I cant believe I’m even having this discussion. Please find a geneticist and talk to him/her.”

          Well first of all one of the links I gave you actually is a geneticist talking about the issue of light skin and OCA2 in Africa.

          http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/african-vs-european-albinism

          https://ps79q.wikispaces.com/africa

          And as for Tanzania, here’s a possibility. It could be possible that the reason why is that they don’t like in a dense area of trees like Southern Nigerians.

          Basically, populations that live where light doesn’t penetrate that much will increase in frequency of light skin traits compared to more open ones.

          http://www.healthofchildren.com/A/Albinism.html

          For Southern Nigeria, 20 out of 100,000

          http://www.underthesamesun.com/sites/default/files/Frequency%20of%20Albinism.pdf1

          1 in 5000-15000

          This could be explain as that due to Nigeria having more trees that are dense in covering light, that would create a better environment for lighter skin to adapt to and more often becomes a skin variant.

          However, for Tanzania, while having a higher amount of Albinos their albinism didn’t adapt as general phenotypes and are more common disorders.

        • Jm8

          “Igbos were always monotheistic. Our names provide abundant proof of that. Virtually every Igbo name makes reference to God. Not gods, but God. There are also ancillary figures in Christianity, Judaism and Islam, angels, prophets, saints and such. But that doesn’t make those religions polytheistic.”

          I mentioned the existence of/worship of a high god — a creator god “Chukwu” in the Igbo case, which I understand is the central spiritual figure — very different from other ancillary or intermediary figures; like nature deities/spirits (sometimes interpreted as elements/aspects of the high god as in Hinduism and some other ancient religions), ancestors (lower spirits are called the alusi or arushi in some Igbo dialects, related to the Yoruba word, “Orisha” — the two languages both belonging to the West Benue Congo family, having an ancient common origin …etc), etc. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam do not have the same kind of roles for such figures; esp. nature spirits, which are rather discouraged, emphasized, or demonized in Abrahamic religions.

          Igbo religion has many local spirits, but also more commonly shared ones; like Amadioha, the god of war, thunder, and justice (similar to the Yoruba Shango); the earth goddess Ala; Ekwensi. The system is not really unique and is broadly similar to belief systems across Africa (and many other places; Algonquin-speaking peoples for example worshiping Manitou, and some other Amerindians and Asians were just as monotheistically inclined if not more, though often quasi pantheistic/nature venerating).

          Some cultures, as mentioned give much more emphasis to “lower entities” than others (there is a wide variety in this regard within Africa, and cultures there have had much time to evolve and diversify). In Some Nilo-Saharan cultures there is fairly uncomplicated emphasis on the Creator god (Ngai among the Masai of Kenya), though also with elements of pantheism.

          The Israeli ambassador to Nigeria is not a scholar (and is very unlikely to have a broad knowledge — or much of one at all — of world cultures and their customs) and is just the kind of person to be highly biased (and middle Eastern-centric). Obviously he and his claim would have political and diplomatic significance as well.

          It may appeal to many Christians in Nigeria – though of course not all – for reasons I mentioned. Abrahamic religions put the Middle East in the center of the universe and stigmatize most religions form other places and tend to converts from elsewhere to feel inferior and thus often desire a connection to said region). He is not a reliable intellectual source of opinion, not remotely.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinani

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Apparently African albinos are treated awfully bad. It’s almost like a Genocidal thing.

        • Jm8

          edit: “…other places — and tend to make converts from elsewhere feel inferior and thus often to desire a connection to said region; hence Medieval European claims of biblical origin, 19th century British Israelism, etc…). He is not a reliable intellectual source of opinion, not remotely.”

        • Jm8

          correction: “…Christianity, and Islam do not have the same kind of roles for such figures; esp. nature spirits, which are rather discouraged, DE-emphasized, or demonized in Abrahamic religions.”

        • To Jm8,

          I made a post that went into detail of Igbo Religion and comparing it to Judaism and I did note that while Judaism made more direct connection with god and everything else, Igbo belief were more Hindu like in which they made more distinct named for concepts like in their cosmology, chi, etc, that made connections to Chukwu more indirect.

          I made other notes but I’ll just wait until my post gets through.

        • Jm8

          ” OCA2 did was create a new phenotype, it’s just that such an occurrence due to being a melanin reduce is scientifically albinism.”

          There are probably other genetic factors in skin tone variation besides that one gene in African( and other populations), since the trait is fairly polygenic (I believe controlled by at least 20 genes).

          “This in covering light, that would create a better environment for lighter skin to adapt to and more often becomes a skin variant.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color#Genetics_of_skin_color_variation

          “This could be explain as that due to Nigeria having more trees that are dense in covering light, that would create a better environment for lighter skin to adapt to and more often becomes a skin variant.”

          Yes. This is a reason (as I mentioned a while back) native groups (with longer histories in) in more forested parts of (Subsaharan) Africa (usually) have some tendency (evolved independently in Africa/those regions) to vary somewhat more in skin tone or be a bit lighter on average (than many from the Savannah/Sahel/grasslands/semi-arid, more sunny/exposed types of climates).

          Much of Europe was once densely forested (esp. before the middle ages, sometimes the mid or later middle ages or later: e.g. in Ireland, which was largely-heavily forest until the settlement of the Anglo-Normans) and may have contributed to lightening there (in stages over the many millennia), along with cloud cover, less intense sun exposure, etc. (though the very lightest shades only appear in North Europe circa 7,000 BC; most people there presumably being shades of beige-light brown — eg: like the darker Southern Spaniards/Near Easterners/East Asians/Amerindians/ other South Europeans, etc.—previously).

        • Jm8

          Should be:
          “…Much of Europe(and some other parts of, esp. North-Central Eurasia) was heavily forested…”

          “(in stages over the many millennia, from the arrival of modern humans)”

        • To Jm8,

          Another Gene is possible, it’s just that Chinedu never gave an example plus OCA2 is found in large frequencies in Africa and can created variable looks which ad been founded to have the highest skin tone diversity so it is no coincidence, so it’s likely influential.

  3. Santoculto

    What liberals independent thinkers had done for improve quality of life of black communities???

    Just prevent other people to show its own defects??? Everyone should have counselors like that and of course with education and sensibility enough to create a perfect map of these particular abstract reality, abstractions also while inter-relations of material things/reality. The wind of thoughts and actions occupying this “vaccum”.

    • Counselling is indeed and idea I had in mind. I once met “punks” who were hurting a friend of mind, a white kid with diabetes.

      At first I thought they were monsters, but they actually possessed a good amount of self reflection. They were a white kid, two Hispanics, and one big Black guy. They talked about their issues and how some aspects of life were hard for them.

      Now, I doubt ALL are like that, but Blacks in America SAY that many are misunderstood. If that is the case, then WE should counsel them but not waste too much energy on the non-cooperative, because I know a good deal of people who wont tolerate their actions, misunderstood or not.

      • Santoculto

        Yes, the issue is not just counselling but REAL, PRACTIC counselling. Like you i doubt that it will work for ALMOST of problematic young people. Seems reasonable to predict that REAL counselling can work with at least 10%, at most 30% of them. The problem is that while we must need try to teach the basics of education for some subgroups, other subgroups learn alone and quickly. The problem is that human moral culture evolve too fast to be followed by most of human beings, even whites and east asians, the best collective human groups.

        Most people stagnate at binary thinking model and i’m not just talking about the crowd of average joeys or working classes, but EVEN many % of above average intelligent people.

        For me look absolutely easy think reflectively and search a way to foment a holistically moral-logic correct thinking. AND is easy….

        But seems hormones have huge impact on final personal human decisions. A lot of people think ”with” their sexual organs, other think with their stomach.

        People think very vaguely that simple cultural exposition and everyone will can engage in rational thinking. Most part of the time it’s don’t happen.

        First, because to think rationaly AND based on our current reality (or,whatever, in any period), is need to be precise to find the exit of labyrinth or maze. What i called ”aesthetic consciousness”, look qualitatively (details, follow beauty of the life, harmony, what you to do here in this text) for the phenomena of the existence.

        • Exactly, I find that it will be hard for the counseled to keep up with a community where there are other who are more independent in these respect. Perhaps, one could take advantage of the cohesion the gangs have, I which they could be together, motivated for a better high road if they have that in them, applying Ubuntu.

          If hormones effect thinking, well there are Testosterone pills and Serotonin medication that I believe is given for people with similar issues.

          As for you “aesthetic consciousness”, I think you are on to something. I feel a component that these types of individuals are missing is some sort understanding of existence, which would be expected from individuals who typically get into situation by only thinking of the moment.

    • Jason Y

      What liberals independent thinkers had done for improve quality of life of black communities???

      Just prevent other people to show its own defects??? Everyone should have counselors like that and of course with education and sensibility enough to create a perfect map of these particular abstract reality, abstractions also while inter-relations of material things/reality. The wind of thoughts and actions occupying this “vaccum”.

      The defects of blacks are exploited by the government for the prison industrial complex, or at least that’s the case in the USA. Note, telling blacks to “shape up” as conservatives want to do won’t work, cause the conservatives (and probably liberals as well) have destroyed their environment (because of the prison/industrial complex).

      You can’t rise above a rat hole. What are you thinking? People could rise above it only if given help.

      • Jason Y

        The problem is that liberals aren’t liberal enough. The US liberals are very weak. In a sense, they are wimps. All they’re doing is just helping out blacks somewhat, just enough to get votes from them. But in the end, they’re screwing them, just as the conservatives are also.

        • EPGAH

          That’s not help, that’s ENABLING!
          ENABLING them to continue on the same old way, without making ANY changes, if not ENABLING them to be even worse without suffering the worst of the consequences.

        • Jason Y

          No the problem is that the US liberal agenda in a sense is weak. It isn’t strong enough. That’s why it doesn’t produce any real gains. I think Swank was trying to argue the same thing awhile back.

          Of course, any stronger left wing agenda would be considered Communist and hence viscously opposed by the right.

          The weak liberal agenda, as opposed to a stronger one, only gives some help, and this help isn’t done correctly. The liberal help needs to be massively reformed.

          For instance, massive money given to education is a good thing, but massive money to keep “human pets” is not (People who just lay around and won’t improve themselves).. Anyhow, in many places, like the inner city, the money given to educaiton (by the weak liberal agenda) sucks anyways. It’s all expected most of the kids will go to the “prison industrial complex”

        • EPGAH

          The strength that would be needed comes from Conservatives. Tying their future freebies to behavioral improvements is a very Conservative idea.

          Or did you mean a different kind of “strong enough”, like we’re not giving them ENOUGH freebies to squander and not improve themselves?

        • EPGAH

          OK, how much more money do we have to waste before even you will admit it’s ENABLING, not helping?

  4. I also want to elaborate on what “Upper Lower Class” means in my father’s meaning.

    In reality, he provides my family with a affluent middle-class status, but he calls himself that because, while he has more skills to make more wealth than others of his background but he doesn’t pretend he isn’t where he came from.

  5. Kareem

    Blacks are the pit bulls of human world. Pitbulls have the stereotype for being savage and violent even though many and even most aren’t like that.
    A lot of anti black racism is compounded by the fact that a lot of liberals are going full retard on how to deal with this issue. Even though they may mean well.

    The medias insanely biased portrayal of the Tayvon Martin case and the championing confirmed thugs like Michael Brown has bred a lot of somewhat understandable black racism. Which is funny because blacks like them are the ones are the ones who do more damage to the welfare of blacks a thousand times more than a white cop ever could.

    As blacks we just need to accept that we are all going to be prejudged and looked at as bad by many people. We will have to work with what we are given and use our own personal reputation to allow some people to see you aren’t a bad person. The majority of people are reasonable will like anyone regardless of race is they have good traits and don’t cause problems.

    Unfortunately there is a no so insignificant segment of people (especially whites) who will always have a dislike of you regardless of you having good grade scores, top job, little to no criminal record, impeccable manners ok IQ…and they STILL wouldn’t be willing to make friends with you or want you anywhere near their daughter. They’d always have some excuse.

    Honest discussions about race need to happen but at the same time are extremely fatiguing. Especially if you’re white or black. They are generally toxic as fuck and drive you nuts if you don’t have the mental fortitude to handle it. Dyan looks spent most of his time reading about black on white murders and whites population decline and look at the results.

    • There was a video about how a Polynesian American said he didn’t like a Black because he was Black AFTER saying how he said he seems like a nice guy.

      If you want to see the video, it’s titled on Youtube “The most racist thing on Television” or something like that. It hurts because it goes to show that despite making a good impression, that experience one has with others of the same race for some people outweighs it.

    • Tulio

      I agree with you on Michael Brown, but why Trayvon Martin? Trayvon did not get done robbing a liquor store and assault a cop. He was walking down the street minding his own business. It’s pretty obvious a few years after the fact seeing Zimmerman’s post trial behavior that Zimmerman was the real thug. Trayvon was just defending himself against a thug creeping up on him at night.

      • Kareem

        Zimmerman merely following him didn’t warrant a beating like this.

        Not to mention there was a huge media smear campaign painting Zimmerman as evil and Martin as some sweet angelic child.

        • Hasdrubal

          He didn’t just follow, at some point Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and an altercation occurred where Zimmerman got his ass beat.
          If you or anyone were walking in a neighborhood and some one in a vehicle starts following you around that’s probably going to put you on the defensive. If at some point the person following you gets out of the vehicle shouting something along the line of “Why the fuck are you following me asshole” to them seems reasonable. From there it’s easy to see where a shouting match could turn into a fist fight. If you find yourself on the losing end of a one on one fist fight the thing to do is take your ass whipping like a man not pull out a gun like a punk ass bitch.

        • EPGAH

          If you are in someone else’s neighborhood, they have every right to ask you what you’re doing there. Do you always attack people who ask you what you’re doing in their neighborhood?

        • Tulio

          That wasn’t “someone else’s” neighborhood. He was walking to his dad’s house.

        • Tulio

          And no, you have no right to walk up to anyone and ask what they are doing walking down a public sidewalk unless they are clearly doing something wrong.If you see them committing a crime then that’s what 911 is for. Not some damn vigilante playing rogue cop who couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag. The dispatchers told him to leave Trayvon alone and that the cops were already on their way. He should’ve stayed his fat ass in the car and did what they said.

        • Hasdrubal

          Epg no.
          If you have a gun on you as Zimmerman did and you wanna follow some dude for a little bit fine, but after a couple of blocks at most you gotta shit or get off the pot.
          Either go about your merry way or stop park your car get out and ask the guy if he’s seen a (insert lost pet of choice here) about yeah big.
          Then you can slink around again on your merry way.

        • EPGAH

          The thug’s neighborhood was his MOM’S house. The Mom dropped his thug ass off at Dad’s because she couldn’t handle his getting suspended from school. Maybe she thought Dad should be the Heavy and straighten his thug ass out?
          And the Dad went on a date, presumably to avoid his ne’er-do-well son.

          You just said Zimmerman got out of his vehicle. Then you say that’s what he SHOULD have done?

          And the thug only bashed Zimmerman’s head into the ground because it DIDN’T know its prey was armed. If the thug had even suspected the prey could fight back, I imagine it would’ve at least put on the facade of being polite.
          “Well, sir, I was dropped off to go to my Dad’s house and I decided to take a long detour to buy some Skittles!”
          “Oh, well, you came a long way for nothing, your Dad is off on a date!”
          Instead the thug just attacked.

          This wasn’t a “fist fight”, OK? If I’m pounding your head into the pavement, and I don’t quit when you start yelling for help, then it’s my life or yours. Zimmerman chose to end the thug rather than let the thug end him.

          “Shit or get off the pot” as you put it, right? It would have been REALLY embarrassing if Zimmerman had let himself get murdered by this animal, AND YET had a loaded gun in his pocket! Or maybe the thug would’ve stolen it from his dead body?

          Also, what about the testimony that the thug was watching Zimmerman from the safety of a house, and decided to go back out there and jump the “Creepy Ass-Cracker”? That shows premeditation, and if Zimmerman’s lawyer had been a little faster on the uptake, he could’ve turned it into an anti-queer Hate Crime and taken all the money the Martins got for their dead thug!

        • EPGAH

          Tulio, if I was in your neighborhood, walking too close to the houses, I expect I would get someone asking me what I was doing there.
          Should I answer them or attack them?

          And no, the 911 dispatchers did not tell him any such thing.
          They used the passive-aggressive “We Don’t NEED You To Do That”.
          You know, sort of like the “game” old friends play over who shouldn’t pay the bill at a restaurant?

          And yes, the cops WERE “on their way”…How much later did they arrive?
          Now, of course, the area is well-patrolled and has a lot less burglaries. The cops were shamed into patrolling that area better by nationwide attention. Unless you believe, of course, that the other thugs are leaving it alone because one got killed there?

          As to vigilante, why did Trayvon attack Zimmerman? Especially the damning “Jump A Creepy Ass-Cracker”? If Martin wasn’t a thug and was actually scared, it would’ve called 911 and “Let The Cops Handle It”, right?
          But thugs don’t let cops handle a neighborhood, it wanted to dominate what it saw as prey. Zimmerman was the rare prey that kills the predator!

        • Hasdrubal

          EPG stop being intentionally obtuse. Zimmerman had followed Martin for a long time. Long enough to call the police and have the police dispatcher to tell Zimmerman to back off. Martin mentioned to his GF that some dude was following him in a vehicle. Zimmerman was basically stalking the kid so there is ample reason to see why Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman.
          My point is that following someone around in your car or truck is likely going put the person you are following into flight or fight mode. If you wanna follow someone suspicious in your neighborhood, I can understand wanting to scope the situation for a bit make sure they are alone and if they are armed, but after that you have an obligation as a decent human being to try and not escalate a situation and to not frighten someone you may not like the look of, but who may very well have no evil intent. Make up a white lie about a lost cat or something to put their mind at ease and give you a chance to talk with the person and you a ready excuse for driving slow around the neighborhood to keep an eye on that person.

          Side note, situations like Zimmerman’s are exactly why stand your ground laws are such a bad idea. If a civilian is walking around with a CW that person has an obligation to not escalate a situation and stand your ground removes that obligation.
          I think at the very least Zimmerman is guilty of negligent homicide, Zimmerman was armed and intentionally escalated a situation to make use of that firearm more likely.
          I also think Zimmerman is the kind of punk ass bitch who would shoot a person for kicking his ass in a fair fight.

        • EPGAH

          Hasdrubal, stop intentionally twisting the 911 dispatcher’s words. He never told Zimmerman to back off. He used the passive-aggressive “We Don’t Need You To Do That”

          However, the last time Zimmerman had backed off and left it to the pros, the house got burgled and the thugs got away.
          http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

          What could he have done to NOT escalate the situation with that thug, other than NOT follow it? Which would have allowed it to burgle his neighborhood uninterrupted. The only other thing you could mean is Duty To FLEE, and that’s a wrong answer for this day&age. Stand Your Ground allows people to protect their neighborhoods from thugs like Martin.

          Martin said, “Do you have a problem? You do now”. That shows evil intent.
          A DECENT human has the obligation to ANSWER rather than ATTACK when asked what they’re doing in SOMEONE ELSE’S NEIGHBORHOOD!
          Did you forget that part?
          The neighbors heard Zimmerman screaming for help, but didn’t interfere and Martin kept pounding his head into the ground. I think Martin’s the kind of thug that would’ve kept going until Zimmerman was dead, and felt no remorse for it.
          If you’re willing to kill someone by bashing their head into the ROAD repeatedly, you should be willing to die too. Live by violence, die by violence, right? Bashing Zimmerman’s head into the ground proves evil intent, don’t you think? That isn’t kicking his ass, that’s trying to kill someone.

          The thug attacked when asked what it was doing there. Or if you believe the witness “Deedee”, it was in the house, saw Zimmerman, and decided to jump him. That proves evil intent but in a different way.

          It attacked someone who belonged in the neighborhood it was invading.
          It died for its attack. That’s all.

        • EPGAH

          PS, you don’t need a lie about a lost animal, when confronting a thug in your neighborhood. That’s just overcomplicating things.

          Ask it what it’s doing there. “Who Goes There” is the oldest question guards asked, dating to at least medieval times. A Gated Community is a return to those medieval times, right?

        • Hasdrubal

          I told you what to do you stop the vehicle maybe 20 feet ahead of the person get out of the vehicle and say something along the lines of ” Hey man have you seen an orange tabby about this big ? No. Cool well I’m gonna be driving around the neighborhood looking for him if you see him let flag me down thanks”
          Zimmerman is a punk ass bitch wannabee and those assholes get people killed for no damn reason.
          Martin wasn’t trying to burgle anything he was trying to get back to his dad’s house to finish watching NBA All Star game.
          While I think All Star games suck in general (except MLS that ones pretty cool) wanting to watch one is not a killable offense.

        • EPGAH

          Why lie? The question is “What are you doing in my neighborhood?” Not “Will you help me look for a nonexistent cat”.

          And again the thug didn’t get killed for wanting to watch a game. It got killed for slamming someone’s head into the ground repeatedly, just for asking what it was doing there.

          The only way people can tell others’ intent is by their actions. Attacking Someone=Evil Intent.

        • Hasdrubal

          Zimmerman stalked Martin fact. Following someone around in your car/truck is at best creepy and weird. Zimmerman was armed if you are gonna go around strapped you have at the very least an obligation to not escalate a situation. Coming up with a white lie diffuses the situation and allows to you continue keeping an eye on the person you are following. Getting out of the car and being an asshole escalates a situation and if you intentionally escalate a situation while armed then you are doing it in the hopes of using that gun because you are wannabe punk ass bitch.

        • Tulio

          It’s hopeless debating the Trayvon shooting with white nationalists. All they see is a black “thug” getting killed and that’s all they care about. The fact is, if that was Neil De Grasse Tyson walking down the street and Zimmerman didn’t recognize him, Zimmerman would’ve stalked him as well.

        • EPGAH

          Actually, a lie does not defuse the situation. Worse, it doesn’t get you the information of what the thug is doing in your neighborhood.

          As to concealed carry, that doesn’t escalate a situation. It means you’re ready when the thug jumps you. Even Chicago, toughest gun laws in the nation, has started allowing concealed-carry. Murders are going DOWN and Liberals are just mystified. Could it be the thugs, armed as they may be, don’t WANT a firefight and are looking for unarmed prey? The fact they might become the next Trayvon if they start something stays their hand?

          I have reason to believe, based on past behavior, that Neil Degrasse Tyson would not slam anyone’s head into the road. He is of course, free to prove me wrong. But usually, scientists do not want to trade their careers for “thug cred”.

          http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/12/07/two-men-doused-with-gasoline-and-set-on-fire-near-baltimore-media-censoring-story/

          Then we have something like this. How would this be different if either of the victims had been carrying concealed?

        • EPGAH

          Tulio, when you see a thug getting killed, do you only see that it’s Black, and therefore, you think THAT is why it died, you don’t even consider its actions had something to do with it?

          In Detroit, the city had STRESS Units. Cops dressing up like unarmed civilians and shooting whatever attacked them. Most of the thugs that attacked them were Black. Does that make the STRESS Units “racist”, or do you accept that it’s because Blacks are more likely to attack people?

          What happened when the STRESS Units were disbanded? A week-long riot that chased all the ones that WEREN’T thugs out of the city, right?

          If you want safe streets, we have to put down the mad dogs that make them unsafe. It is Blacks’ own behavior that makes them the majority of the rabid animals that would be so put down.
          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/why-race-is-important/

          If Blacks stop attacking at 5X the rate of whites (Statisticians other than Robert have provided higher numbers before, but let’s go with 5), then streets will be safer, and you’ll see less dead Blacks. But again, it’s their own decision to attack. Noone MAKES them.
          So why complain when a thug gets killed, unless you’re a “Black Nationalist” or something like that? You should be joining me in my slow clap that ONE thug got killed and will no longer attack anyone ever again.

          Subsequently, join me in lamenting it’s only ONE thug, which is the equivalent of ONE cockroach. If you don’t get’em all, what’s the point?

        • EPGAH

          https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/hbd-like-father-like-son-by-phil/#comment-251509
          Jason claims whites would behave the same way if there weren’t consequences. Maybe he’s right, but the problem is, people only fight against consequences for BLACK thugs. Why is that? Why are Black thugs not only presumed innocent, but there’s a major press campaign to make the thug look like an innocent child instead of the grown tattooed monster that attacked someone and died for it?

      • Another William Playfair Web

        Kareem- That could have been in self-defense as Tulio said; ‘Zimmerman’s post-trial behavior shows he was the real thug’….

        I’m unsure about that case.

        Darren Wilson was not just in “fear of his life” as is commonly stated by many, but would have probably legitimately been killed in that incident.

    • Yo kareem add me on facebook

  6. Kareem

    Meant Dylan Roof* Wish there was an edit button.

  7. Jason Y

    I think black people need fixing, but not genetically, or at least the “genetic” stuff brought out by white racists is exxagerated. That’s where I disagree with Phil.

    • Jason Y

      Also, a lot of poor blacks, and poor whites as well, cannot overcome their situation, despite what black racist types say. The society’s oppression is way too much. That’s not a weak philosophy. It’s just the truth.

  8. Jason Y

    A lot of blacks who don’t like condescending whites live in black areas like NYC etc.. However, in my area they’re afraid of whites, as this isn’t a black majority area. Of course, in this situation we can expect a lot of “punk ass whites” who fly rebel flags in the back of thier trucks instead. I can’t see how all this ridiculous caveman pride in any area makes things better.

  9. Jason Y

    Racists, black, white, asian, you name it, want to give the impression that anti-racists are pussies. They are not. All of the white, black, Asian power stuff ever put forth usually hasn’t produced anything, nor rose a lot of self esteem, but rather is just a bunch of “blah blah blah” yapping. lol

    In the case of the Nazi regime, or the regime Phil might be like, Idi Amin (ring a bell?), it only lead to destruction, after, I’ll admit, some improvement.

    Well, Idi Amin dumped out all the Indians who were helping the economy, Hitler killed all the Jews and was later reduced to ashes by Allied planes, and invading Russian hordes. So what did these jackasses produce, but just a bunch of fun parades?

    • EPGAH

      Hitler made Germany a thriving country, WITHOUT the hyper-inflation that comes with “recovery”. And made a military machine that required the combined efforts of America, Canada, Britain, Australia, and RUSSIA to end!

      The modern anti-racists are pussies, they won’t do anything DIRECTLY, won’t stand up themselves, but pass laws to make the COLLECTIVE attack their nominal enemies.

      But they’re not only pussies, they’re EVIL pussies. They only care about whites attacking thugs. When thugs attack whites, the “Anti-Racists” either disappear into the couch-cushions, or fall all over themselves making excuses for the thugs. From your “It’s The Environment” to manuals on how NOT to get raped by terrorists who shouldn’t be in the country in the first place…And they were only raped because of their “Privilege”, right?

      Robert already wrote an article pointing out that when the thugs attack whites, it’s the “hero” of these evil pussies. Their Ultimate Hero, then, is OJ Simpson, right?
      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/from-civil-rights-to-modern-antiracism-a-moral-inversion/
      Is Jessica Chambers or Amy Biehl the anti-racists version of a “Fun Parade”?

      What have these anti-racists produced except an area of inverted morals and laws, where whites become prey in our own country, and thugs are not only ALLOWED, but EXPECTED to attack their betters with impunity?
      Or more bluntly: You ruined our country, our expectation of safety.
      Every dollar we spend buying off or protecting ourselves from these animals is a dollar we can’t spend making the country better.

  10. Tulio

    “Three, I made more White friends than Black friends, so I had an idea in my head that I wasn’t really Black in some ways even before I went into HBD.”

    How does making white friends mean you aren’t really black?

    ” Considering I’m very passionate in general, laugh strongly at the slightest joke, and can be ferociously violent when provoked, I would say yes, I am Black.”

    Maybe you’re just being tongue-in-cheek here, but why do you have to propagate stereotypes? As if being violent or passionate is a unique black trait.

    I think you have a ways to go before being comfortable in your own skin. I’m a race realist that is also comfortable with his blackness.

    • Tulio, honestly I don’t have a really “pyshcological” definition of “black”.

      I use though stereotypes in a sense by the standards of those who typically would stereotype as a mock-means to categorized myself with traits, so I was tongue in cheek, sorry if I came off differently.

      Though in regards to having white friends, that wasn’t what makes me think I was “less black” but rather how I never really gravitated towards black social clusters out of interest or instinct on a natural level.

      • Dew Time

        Phil I am another black who can relate to your experiences in many ways. I like to stay in contact with people like that. Please add me on facebook.com/bigDeeOT

        • I’m sorry, I’m not much of a facebook guy but if you have a google account just click my name and you can add me on google.

    • I figured you were going to chide this guy, Tulio.

      But let me just say one thing to you, Tulio. Phil is not the first high achieving young Black man who has come to me with these sort of issues. Actually I have had several of them come to me, confused like Phil, with similar identity problems. It is starting to look like a syndrome, don’t you think we should talk about it in some way other than chiding them?

      • Tulio

        I thought I was being rather genteel with him.

        • Let me put it this way, Tulio. Phil is not the only intelligent young Black male who has come to me with these identity problems. As I said, it is starting to look like a syndrome.

          Instead of chiding this guy, I think we should discuss this interesting identity issue complex that seems to be effecting a lot of high-achieving young Black males. It’s most interesting, and I really feel for these guys.

          Can we say something about this complex (which is starting to look common enough to be a syndrome) itself other than just calling all these young men a bunch of idiots?

        • Tulio

          I’m not trying to scare them off or anything. I just want them to know that they don’t have to feel self hatred. I struggled with some of these feelings when I made the shift toward realism, but eventually came out of it. There’s no reason any black person should be beating themselves up for being black. Especially when they are decent members of society.

          How widespread guys like Phil are in society, I have no idea. Just about every black person I meet seems happy to be black.

          He might want to stay away from sites where people are constantly bashing black people. it’s not good for the soul.

        • Tulio ,I just want to dispel the notion that, at least currently, I’m unhappy to be Black. I was just curious of, whether or not, I have any defining features outside of physical appearance to be “Black”.

          I’m not just talking “attitude”, but typical cultural aspects an what not. And by that I don’t mean “to be a thug” but just, something whether positive or negative.

          However, based off of character and heritage, I seem to fit some southern Black characteristics. Again it’s not whether or not I’m proud to be Black, It’s just whether I have certain traits correspond to being black but that’s not to say that they are all the same but given that I believe in HBD I believe in various categories and various combinations of traits, some of which overlaps with those of other groups.

        • EPGAH

          No, the decent ones shouldn’t be beating themselves up, it should be the IN-decent ones. But the INDECENT ones are the ones who loudly demand acceptance of their shit just the way they are, violence and all.

          The decent ones are rejected by Blacks for not being violent thugs, and not SUPPORTING violent thugs–AKA “Not Black Enough”–and they fear they won’t be ever TRULY accepted by whites because they’re not physically white, even though they fit in much better among the whites who ACT like them, than among the ones that LOOK like them!

          No, violence is not a UNIQUELY Black thing, but it is at least 5X more a Black problem than a white problem.
          You have yet to produce a white equivalent of Ferguson. Am I to take this as concession there is no such thing?

        • EPGAH

          Good links, good links. But notice the first one says “POLICE DESTROY HOOLIGANS!”
          Not only are the riots in America NOT destroyed by police, but are supposedly “inspired” by police shooting ONE hooligan.

          When they blocked off the Magnificent Mile, far from “destroying” them, cops seemed to run security for the thugs.
          http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/27/black-friday-chicagos-magnificent-mile-blocked/

          To me, the whole PURPOSE of police is to clear away the thugs to allow innocents to go about their business! That’s what Government is about, right? Laws and enforcing them? Or has it degraded to giving losers freebies via extortion from their betters?

          However, the OTHER reason Blacks might be embarrassed is to be related to conartists who have to make up a history to be proud of!
          http://www.viewzone.com/adamscalendarx.html
          200,000 years ago apparently, Blacks were ordered by the Gods to dig out the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, AND a legend of pinching off clay and mud bricks has been taken as proof of Divine In-Vitro Fertilization! http://www.viewzone2.com/adamscalendar44.html
          BUT as it turns out it’s just a money grab. They want money for the MakoMati foundation, so they can protect the sites (from the truth?) and make more “discoveries”!
          http://www.viewzone2.com/adamscalendar66.html

          Other Black pseudo-histories are even MORE “incredible”–as in cannot be believed, not amazing!
          This MakoMati guy probably won’t get much funding from TRUE Black Supremacists. Being designed by God(s) as slaves is far worse than the “Curse of Ham”, right?

          What about staying away from sites where Black sense of victimhood is constantly being stoked until it results in a citywide orgy of looting and arson? Is that “good for the soul”?

      • Another William Playfair Web

        I can’t imagine any worse psychological complex. Honestly, I feel bad for these guys, they deserve better.

        • Santoculto

          Blacks tend to have very discrepant physical phenotypes. East Asians have the ton skin reasonably similar with whites as well straight hair. Indians have caucasoid features as well happen with middle east and north African people.

          Blacks, pure blacks seems in my opinion because their very different ton of skin (as well facial features) look for themselves and comparatively with other people as albino people look to do.

          And what happen throughout the world white facial features are standard for beauty.

          We are very physical beauty-leaning or visually oriented. Most of bullying cases happen because appearance first.

      • In another thread I questioned whether it was the healthiest choice for Phil to be so deeply into these topics.

        I hadn’t realized there are quite a few others in that position. I agree with Robert that it must be immensely frustrating for these young fellows. Not only the behaviors and anti-intellectualism of their fellow blacks but an entire media and entertainment edifice celebrating the thugged-out blacks.

        If they can start connecting with each other it might be encouraging and empowering. They might in turn serve as a catalyst for positive change.

        • EPGAH

          Think how it is for whites who have to put up with an SJW subculture that is all “Thugs Are Misunderstood! It’s the PRODUCTIVE People That Are Evil!”!!!!!!
          Add a few more exclamation points.

          I think the Anti-SJW whites and productive blacks would be natural allies!

  11. Jason Y

    HBD is based on massive exxageration. Now some extreme nationalistic blacks want to believe in HBD cause they don’t want to be like all those “uncle tom” blacks who suck up to condescending wimpy liberals. Whatever. 😆

    Ultimately though, the science and all else doesn’t back HBD. Like it or not, environmental factors play a big role. Also, help can play a positive role, it isn’t just stuff that only babies accept.

    • Jason Y

      quote by santo-culto

      And what happen throughout the world white facial features are standard for beauty.

      We are very physical beauty-leaning or visually oriented. Most of bullying cases happen because appearance first.

      More white nationalist ridiculous ideas of beauty etc.. which are only opinions. Sure lots of people are attracted to Scandanavians, some to Itallians, some to mixed raced black/white, some to Thai etc….

      White facial features? Now that’s imperalism to the nth degree. Your saying the cliche racist statement that pure whites are better looking than everyone else.

      • Santoculto

        Of course most part of time people marry with their co ethnic/geographical partner BUT it’s doesn’t mean that greater % of people around the world don’t think whites have better looking if indeed they are on average. Whites as I said in pumpkin person blog have the less primate looking among all human races. Just look for Caucasian thin, very well constructed.

        Humans are passionate by uniqueness and whites just have a higher percentage of this beauty traits. What a lot a nationalists like to say, the true diversity of COLORS.

        Average Ashkenazi Jews have many congenital defects like assymmetric faces and huge noses but they are much more astute than whites.

        Samoans and aboriginals with blonde hair also are visually fascinating. Every different and harmonic visual discrepancy tend to impact us.

        Other issues among black self perception is that many them smell bad. I also smell badly. Every discontinuity between the being and the collective when they are insert will cause this differential and potentially conflictive self (and) comparative perception.

        I though similar situation happen with Jews inside European societies.

        • Jason Y

          Not trying to sound like an asshole, but really beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

          Smelling bad really means, as in the case of East Indians, they smell like curry. Iv’e never seen blacks smell bad, except some bigoted whites say so cause it’s assumed by them blacks are retarded, hence won’t take a bath. However, considering so many blacks are players and into style and whatnot, that could be further from the truth, especially now in the USA.

        • Guy from Montréal

          I’ve never smelled anything different with black people, except for Hatians, many have this wierd odor to them but I think it’s due to some diatary habits, if my brother drinks a lot of Heineken beer during an evening he will have a skunky odor the following day.

        • Jason Y

          Every race that thinks thier superior claims the inferior ones smell bad. The logic being inferior races are mentally retarded, hence won’t bathe. But how silly is that? For instance, the Koreans think Chinese people stink. Chinese of all people. Chinese have to be some of the most smart people around.

    • EPGAH

      Actually, it does. Even sports performance backs HBD.

      The science has already been proven. Robert has written a number of articles about that before.
      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/01/05/the-bell-curve-thirty-years-on/
      Start with this one.

  12. Jason Y

    quote by ep-gah

    No, the decent ones shouldn’t be beating themselves up, it should be the IN-decent ones. But the INDECENT ones are the ones who loudly demand acceptance of their shit just the way they are, violence and all.

    The decent ones are rejected by Blacks for not being violent thugs, and not SUPPORTING violent thugs–AKA “Not Black Enough”–and they fear they won’t be ever TRULY accepted by whites because they’re not physically white, even though they fit in much better among the whites who ACT like them, than among the ones that LOOK like them!

    No, violence is not a UNIQUELY Black thing, but it is at least 5X more a Black problem than a white problem.
    You have yet to produce a white equivalent of Ferguson. Am I to take this as concession there is no such thing?

    Both the tradtional weak liberal agenda, as well as the conservative one have both heavily persecuted certain blacks, drawing them toward the “ghetto” lifestyle. For instance, inner city schools are not funded enough, and the government is unwilling to clean out the really bad blacks. All this is done on purpose of course, to provide more cheap convict labor.

    As far as the Uncle Tom stuff goes, I think that’s just a ghetto phenomenon. Small towns like where I live are filled with decent blacks, often married to white people. Nobody bullies these decent blacks, accusing them of selling out.

    • Jason Y

      Yeah definitely, the mean nationalistic, ghetto blacks who hate white people with a passion, are concentrated in all black areas of the USA. They’re so racist, they act like the only whites they’ve ever seen in their life were on TV.

      It’s those blacks who pick on black nerds who try to act white etc..

      • EPGAH

        I don’t know, Tulio seemed to be picking on phil half a page up.

        What about things that are more measured, documented, like crime rates. You dismiss those too, Jason?
        And if you admit it’s “those blacks who pick on black nerds”, then doesn’t that mean that it’s the THUGS that make the “environment” bad?

        Or are you going to weasel out of that too?

        • Jason Y

          In response to ep-gah, thugs, punks, whatever you want to call them do ruin the environment in black majority areas. However, those types of people are created by one parent homes, society breakdown etc.. which is in large part funded and cheered on by the prison/industrial complex.

          Note, you once said, “They’re are no good orcs”, but in this thread your saying nerdy blacks are O.K. Anyhow, note nerdy blacks are probably the majority in the USA with the bad ones being a large minority. You can

        • Jason Y

          You can find boring “run of the mill” blacks in any small town in most of America.

        • EPGAH

          I DID say there are no good Orcs. The ones rioting are Orcs, right? There is no attempt to “destroy” them, and cops have caught, what, 3 of the rioters from Ferguson. It’s been the better part of 2 years now.

          Has Baltimore gone even that far?
          They spent 43 minutes taking the scum ALIVE, giving the scum a chance to spring an ambush on the National Guard–why aren’t some of the thugs dead now?

          As to the one-parent homes, are you saying it’s NOT their decision to breed and take money from Government instead of the Sperm Donor?
          Is there a Pregnancy Demon that possesses them just long enough to get them pregnant?

          How much are you going to claim is not their fault?

  13. doug

    As someone in a highly black geographic area I have heard similar from blacks of all social standings. All see themselves as exceptional and belonging outside of the chaos and misery concentrations of themselves create.

  14. Jason Y

    quote by ep-gah

    Continue denying the most obvious perceptions. that childish and moron.

    I smell badly without deodorant,

    indians also tend to smell badly, the stereotype, they prefer perfume with strong smell while east asians prefer perfume with soft smell.

    East asians tend to think, what i already read, that white caucasians smell badly, comparatively speaking.

    People choose their peer by geographically pragmatic way. Black men are stereotypically more masculine than other men especially those in east asia, where the beta man predominates. Black men seem to be better to sculpt muscles in their bodies while East Asian (and most Jews *) are much more difficult to work it.

    People tend to marry within the group, is not proof that the white race people are not the most visually interesting, even because of the diversity in skin tone, eyes, hair and facial types.

    You have two species of macaws.

    A species has a variety of colors in your hair.

    The other species is more homogeneous.

    even though they tend to be similar in beak shape, for example, the diversity of colors of these first hypothetical species shows us that in fact, beauty is in the eyes that who see … and just who see.

    People smell cause they don’t take baths and/or don’t clean clothes. I smelt bad today cause I woke up too late and had to head to university in a hurry. I feel sort of ashamed, but hopefully I wasn’t too close to anyone.

    If somebody is saying “smell” is more than that, or trying to make it racial then that’s ridiculous.

    Of course, you might be able to argue blacks need to take longer baths cuase they might prespire more. However, I’m sure they do that. As for deoderant, I’ve never seen it works as good as just a good ole shower.

    • Jason Y

      Sorry i mean the quote I did was from santo-culto

    • Jason Y

      Oh as for racist Asians saying white people smell bad, that’s ludicrous. If anything, the only whites they would encounter would be ESL teachers and they of course, being college educated and all, would not be retards who avoid showering. All in all, such racist accusations are racist shit, as it is everywhere else.

      Maybe Asians would encounter American soldiers, and given the discipline, those white people would definitely be clean shaven and showered.

      • Matt

        It’s the difference in diet. Asians mostly don’t consume as much dairy. I went to Japan for my semester abroad way back in the day. When I came back, the smell of cheese on just about everybody at my pizzacentric campus bugged me for a whole month. It is not imaginary. Whether it’s still true or not, I don’t know. I’m sure Japan has pizza slut all these years (decades) later.

      • Jason Y

        Sounds like pseudo-science. Do you have links to back this stuff up? I seriously doubt you can find any legit ones.

      • Jason Y

        When I see an east Asian man, I want butt-fuck him😆 Why not? They are sure feminine enough. HA HA

      • EPGAH

        There ARE a lotta trannies in Southeast Asia. If that’s your thing, go for it, butt it’s a capital way to catch AIDS, and “Black Gonorrhea”–the “Black” part merely means its immune to current cures.

    • Jason Y

      No, no offense, but only assholes are obssessed with beauty that closely. Ultimately beauty is just an opinion (unless it’s something extreme like a burn victim). For instance, a lot of guys like fat girls, and not out of desperation. They got big breasts and a big behind, a look skinny women don’t have.

      A lot of this WN comment on beauty is just another attempt to prove whites are better, or to say mixed raced people are ugly and an abomination.

    • Jason Y

      Some Koreans have claimed they are the most beautiful, cause they’re not too dark or too light. However, that’s just another bullshit opinion.

      Of course, it could be that masculine features of women turn men off, but that could also be mostly an opinion. Also, a lot of feminine looking women exists among all races.

    • Jason Y

      In response to santo-culto and his mocking sarcastic photo. Yes, as cheesy and silly as it sounds, pretty much all races are good looking, considering beauty is based so heavily on opinion. Even some of the very dark women whom are sterotypically considered ugly by whites, are in actuality very attractive to some people, and not out of desperation.

    • Jason Y

      The whole science of deciding who is ugly or pretty brings out the worst in human nature, as shown so much by racists. Oooo ahhh to that.! Brilliant😆 Again more “moron” 10 year old morality, that you’d find on any playground. Do I need surf Nazi sites when I can find the same childish crap on a playground?

      HA HA 😆 LOOK it’s a RETARD LOL HA HA HUH HUH Sound like some re-run of Beevis and Butthead.

    • Jason Y

      Intellegence isn’t always in the eye of the beholder, but it isn’t the same as beauty. The only people who would disagree, apart from racists, would be children. But they say children are the closest things to Satan imaginable with no heart or compassion. No wonder Christians have to whip them so much.

      Note, children, unlike Nazis, have never gained power in any area. Normally children grow up and learn how to reason things as an adult, not like a little shallow creep.

    • Jason Y

      quote by ep-gah

      I’m talking not just about physical beauty but beauty/harmony in every aspect of life like generosity, kindness, wisdom, etc…

      Shallow people who accept 10 year old child morality, that is Nazis etc.., definitely have no concept either of generosity kindness, or wisdom.

    • EPGAH

      By NOT attacking people, white nationalists indeed have more “inner beauty”!
      http://conservative-headlines.com/black-on-white-murders-in-2015/

  15. Jason Y

    Like children, perhaps Nazis should be ignored. Perhaps thier little “Your a retard”, or “Your ugly” remarks should be ignored much as something coming from some crazy man. Except the usual response of an adult to an “adult” insulting him is to fight, even if the insult is childish.

    • Jason Y

      The question that is begging to be answered is “Who are the little monkeys?” Is it non-whites, or white nationalists with their 5 year old child morality? Inquring minds want to know LOL

      • Jason Y

        Not saying non-whites are politically correct, but the white nationalists etc.. haven’t done any better. Whether it’s a bunch of low IQ blacks or some typical white nationalist bloggers, it’s still same shallow immature crap. If I want to hear that stuff, I can just watch re-runs of “White Men Can’t Jump.”

      • EPGAH

        Then we should also ignore people who call others “racist” all the time, usually to get out of punishment, right? How come THAT “shallow immature crap” HAS gained a lot of power?

  16. Jason Y

    quote by santo-culto

    yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

    I’m guessing that’s condescending sarcasm. However, think about it. Who are the little monkeys? Have white nationalists shown themselves to be more mature than black thugs, at least as far as treating the disabled or fat people etc.. with respect?

    • EPGAH

      White nationalists may not be more MATURE, but at least less DEADLY, by not beating disabled people until they die.
      http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/11/28/white-homeless-veteran-beaten-to-death-by-black-mob-aged-12-34-in-philadelphia/

      • Jason Y

        That’s a tragedy, but they may have not know he was a veteran. Also, probably they wouldn’t care anyways cause they’re punks.

        Anyhow. that’s terrible, but ghetto blacks are not most blacks. Most blacks are boring like say Phil or Tulio.

        Note also, the homeless are treated like crap by nearly everyone, though as you say, some more punk types might kill them. It is true in the 70s, as shown on the movie “Taxi Driver” blacks would thow glass bottles at taxis coming in their neighborhood or just white people (but note Italians would do the same to blacks).

        Anyhow, NYC is a hellhole like any other big city, full of ethnic conflict. You don’t see such conflict in small towns where so many boring “Ozzy and Harriet” blacks live.

      • Jason Y

        To be honest, kids of any race are mean. I had to file harassment charges against this one girl (aged 18 I guess when she did it) who was viscously bullying me (mocking me etc..) Who knows, if given the right circumstance, she wouldn’t have kicked me in the face with sharp boots etc.. ??? (like on that scent on “Boogie Nights”)

        Of course, I already mentioned the bullying I endured in middle school.

        I suppose though that ghetto blacks, given the poverty and lack of police enforcement take “beating people up” to the next level,

        Many people all around the world, of all races, have a mob mentality. I faced a mob mentality at this nearly all white community college, hence it led to the bullying I was speaking of, or also faced mob mentality at the all white middle school I attended.

      • EPGAH

        Boring like Tulio? If you scroll up a bit, Tulio and Hasdrubal are making excuses for the ghetto thug Trayvon who tried to kill Zimmerman by bashing his head into the road. They’re mad that the “vigilante” killed the thug instead of vice versa.

        Do you consider the people who egg thugs on “harmless”? Or do you consider that without this egging on, without someone telling them they’re victims and their betters “deserve” it, they might be able to muster just enough cerebration and NOT attack their betters?

        Did you ever watch the bearded veteran who got attacked by a thug on a bus, and the VETERAN got kicked off the bus? It’s called “Epic Beard Man”, it’s on pretty much every video site. Note that the whole bus seems to egg on the thug to attack the veteran.

        Or this:
        http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/12/07/two-men-doused-with-gasoline-and-set-on-fire-near-baltimore-media-censoring-story/
        Notice the other thugs ENCOURAGE the active one to burn the victims!
        Had it been a white thug setting two Blacks on fire, the media would have it non-stop, 24 hours on all the networks, and Al Sharpless and Jesse Jerkson would be screaming for “justice”. Where are the cries for justice here? These animals are protected and given special treatment by the government and the media. Noone talks about Black Privilege, to commit invisible crimes, and get away with it…

        Or for a more well-known, well-analyzed setup, compare the thugs that rioted and burned Ferguson or Baltimore and how NONE of them got killed by cops, to the instant stormtrooping of the abandoned hut in Oregon, and one of the white Occupy wannabes got killed.

      • Jason Y

        Yeah, people are pack animals by nature. The only thing stopping them is fear of law. Ghetto blacks bully and kill etc.. cause they’re is no law. Who knows to what level Asians and Whites would go to, if there were no punishment.

        I doubt if blacks living in small towns all over America would be willing to do what those teenagers did, even they happen to be really mean teenagers. It just wouldn’t happen. At the most, they’d just be smart-asses like most teenagers.

      • EPGAH

        That’s the key, though, IF there were no punishment. Blacks have been taught over the last half-century that nothing is their fault, they usually won’t be punished. Whites have been taught for at least two centuries that EVERYTHING is our fault, we WILL be punished if we get the slightest bit out of hand. Asians come from countries that believe in law, yes, but there are MORE laws than white countries, the punishments are WAY HARSHER!

        When Chinese college intellectuals had a “revolt” in the streets, China pulled a TANK on them!

        It is THE image of Statist power vs. the individual!

        We haven’t done that to any of the spoiled brats throwing tantrums in our colleges, or even the scum burning down and looting our cities!
        SO Yes, they’ll keep getting away with it, they’ll keep doing it.
        And the anti-racists make sure they keep getting away with it.
        “It’s The Environment”, “They’re Victims”, right?
        If it ever became a way to quick DEATH rather than quick PROFIT, Blacks would straighten up REAL fast!

        Guess what? The same thing goes for our border!
        The scum only invade and steal from us because the anti-racists force their pussy policies over the whole country and stop us from fighting back!

      • EPGAH

        TLDR: Why don’t we put these packs of animals down?
        Because it’s against the law.
        Why is it against the law?
        Because anti-racists shifted the law to protect our enemies from us, instead of protect us from our enemies.

  17. Jason Y

    No more comments on this “beauty/intellegence” topic. I will say that intellegence could be genetic, and beauty is mostly just an opinion. So what are Robert Lindsay’s thoughts on this?

    All in all, people like santo-culto are way exxagerating the genetic role in nearly everything imaginable. Wouldn’t that be just as ridiculous as exxagerating an environmental role in everything, when a lot of things come about by someone’s choices?

    • EPGAH

      Yes, but you’re the one who believes environment is everything AND that thugs don’t make their environment!

    • Matt

      There is an element of subjectivity to beauty, but it is not merely opinion. Most of the people considered by most others to be beautiful share many of the same characteristics across ethnicity. Symmetry is one example.

  18. Jason Y

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe the reason the place is so poor is cause the whites are very snobby/snooty. They don’t care for the poor, just as the Filipino upper classes don’t care about the lower classes there.

    Also, you bring up so called “race mixing”, Well, it’s known the rich, even in lands with little race mixing (Phillippines, Africa, etc..) also look down on the poor and treat them like shit.

    Iv’e seen all sorts of black/white people where I live, and they don’t look ugly at all, in fact, a lot of the women are hot. Also, a lot of them are not poor. Perhaps the Brazillians are poor, cause they live in a poor nation.

    India? Please, that nightmere place was created almost completely due to neglect of the poorer classes, mainly cause Hinduism demands it.

    Robert Lindsay does not agree with you, cause if he did he wouldn’t be so harsh on India, but he is.

    • Jason Y

      Wherever you go, even in say ancient China, you had little race mixing, but you had the poor classes and the rich. The poor classes did not come about cause of race mixing.

    • Jason Y

      All sorts of mixed raced people make all sorts of money and many are college educated. Even my brother who is mixed raced makes 200,000 USD a year. All this stuff is massive generalizations, cause he is frustrated with massive poverty in Brazil, so he attibutes it to race mixing.

      Aslo, considering all the poor whites where I live, many of whom are blond and blue eyed, many are some of the most trashy people imaginable, so perhaps there should be a law AGAINST pure-bred breeding. Right?

      As far as I’m concerned, I’d like to limit the pure bred breeding of some where I live, cause they promote massive child abuse (forcing kids to breathe tobacco 24/7, molestation, no standards on watching TV etc..)

      • Jason Y

        Genetics is NOT everything. It only seems to be to frustrated people like santo-culto who are angry about poverty in their own nation. The whole world doesn’t reflect the stuff santo-culto sees. That’s just something he sees, and perhaps other people in the third world see.

        You don’t see it in many parts of the USA where many mixed raced people live, so a person there cannot attribute society problems to race mixing.

        In actuality, Brazil, India, etc are poor cause they produce enough stuff, like say South Korea or Germany, to push themselves out of the hole. Race has nothing ot do with it. Mark my word, if Brazil etc.. becomes more economically powerful, then the gap between the poor and rich won’t be so high.

        Aslo, don’t bring up the poor in the USA. Yeah, it’s true we have some ghettoes, but most blacks don’t live in ghettoes. In fact, most are boring and live like everyone else, and also they make a decent amount of money. Also many of these boring law abiding blacks are mixed raced.

      • EPGAH

        In actuality, as a country becomes richer, the gap between rich and poor widens. It’s a multiplicative effect, not additive.

        People are “frustrated” or “angry” about poverty in the Civilized World too, so they vote in politicians who promise to “fix” poverty, but their attempts make it worse. Or the politicians let in shitloads of losers from countries where “poor” really MEANS poor, so inequality gets wider yet!

        Also, do you count wealth in Absolute Money, or do you count per capita?
        Until they let in 1.08 MILLION terrorists, Germany was richer PER CAPITA than China.
        And China is the richest COUNTRY, but the further West you go (As in AWAY from the coastal areas where they trade with the Civilized World), you start seeing more and more poverty. I’d even say it looks like Africa, plus rice paddies. That kind of shit QOL. If you’re lucky, you’ll witness farmers selling their daughters into sexual slavery, and AVOID the bandits that get more and more prevalent further out. Chinese police WILL NOT ask you what the assailant looked like. They WILL ask what you were doing that far out! The implication of course, being that you shouldn’t go where the bad things are.

        Sort of like an American who wanders into the Black or Mexican-infested areas of our own cities?

  19. Jason Y

    Oh and again, here’s a point:

    Africa is full of pure bred blacks, and they’re also mean (on average). Note that. So how does race mixing make a difference?

    So the lesson is that genetics isn’t the main force causing society breakdown.

    • EPGAH

      Yes, they’re dumb&mean, BUT if you think of that, anything that breeds with them would be dumber&meaner.

      Have you read up on Africanized Honeybees?

      • Jason Y

        quote by ep-gah

        Yes, they’re dumb&mean, BUT if you think of that, anything that breeds with them would be dumber&meaner.

        Have you read up on Africanized Honeybees?

        No, that’s a total White nationalist fantasy. There are plenty of gentle mulattoes, just like there are plenty of mean ones. Mostly the outcome depends on the environment, which in the case of Brazil and parts of the USA is often very bad.

        No, I don’t think the mulattoes would be meaner than the purebreds. That’s more white nationalist mythology.

  20. Jason Y

    quote by ep-gah

    I DID say there are no good Orcs. The ones rioting are Orcs, right? There is no attempt to “destroy” them, and cops have caught, what, 3 of the rioters from Ferguson. It’s been the better part of 2 years now.

    Has Baltimore gone even that far?
    They spent 43 minutes taking the scum ALIVE, giving the scum a chance to spring an ambush on the National Guard–why aren’t some of the thugs dead now?

    As to the one-parent homes, are you saying it’s NOT their decision to breed and take money from Government instead of the Sperm Donor?
    Is there a Pregnancy Demon that possesses them just long enough to get them pregnant?

    How much are you going to claim is not their fault?

    I have always said we should bulldoze the ghetto and clean out the bad guys, even though the USA created the problem to begin with (prison/industrial complex). Of course, an area like that is probably is full of evil that nothing can be done to help.

    Note again though, ghetto blacks are not the majority of blacks. And I’m sure ghetto people of other races are not the majorities of those races either.

    • EPGAH

      But again, you just said “Africa is full of pure bred blacks, and they’re also mean” Africa will be over a BILLION by the end of this century. America’s WHOLE POPULATION–including non-Blacks–is under 400 MILLION!
      Now you say ghetto is NOT the majority of their race?
      Please make up your mind.

      As to bulldozing the ghettos, that won’t help unless we KILL the thugs.
      Not “clean them out”, no amount of hoses or “cleaning” will do any good.
      So we have to SHOOT TO KILL.

      And actually, if prison overcrowding is really a thing, start charging admission for some suburban “Real Tough Guy” wannabes to go through and shoot the prison population. Sort of like “Jurassic Park 2” or “Sound of Thunder”? (The latter might be one of the few movies that is better than the book!)

      Phil had an idea for a Hormonal Neutralizer, but if we left them alive, they would probably sue over some side-effect of the Hormonal Neutralizer.
      Their battlecry would be “Tuskegee”, forgetting the chief experimenter in Tuskegee was Black himself, or had a Latex Perfection mask (Or whatever brand you prefer.)

      Ghetto people might not be the majority, but the problem is, in America, they are mobile. Ferguson rioters were mostly NOT Ferguson’s own people. They literally bused in the thug “troops” from other places. Why weren’t those buses and their thug passengers impounded?

      It’s because of the pussy anti-racists who protect these animals from their consequences.

      • Jason Y

        I wouldn’t say the anti-racists are pussies. They’re just playing a role, as with conservatives, in promoting the prison/industrial complex. The status quo is incredibly profitable, just like the status-quo in foreign policy is profitable and the one regarding energy, as well as the one regarding legal OTC drugs.

        So what you have is a controlled debate. You get two views,but those two views do not challenge the prison/industrial complex. That’s how the US press operates etc..

        • Jason Y

          quote by ep-gah

          That’s the key, though, IF there were no punishment. Blacks have been taught over the last half-century that nothing is their fault, they usually won’t be punished. Whites have been taught for at least two centuries that EVERYTHING is our fault, we WILL be punished if we get the slightest bit out of hand. Asians come from countries that believe in law, yes, but there are MORE laws than white countries, the punishments are WAY HARSHER!

          That whole thing serves the liberal end of the controlled US debate. “Oh, we should feel massive pity for blacks due to slavery, Jim Crow, whatnot.” Well, I feel for those who have that opinion, but they haven’t offered any real solution, the only real solution would be someone who challenged the prison/industrial complex.

          Likewise, Republican redneck crap, so to speak, saying, “Blacks are crybabies, whatnot”, “Why don’t they grow up and get a job?.”. That stuff is pointless also, because the inner city black culture is so poisoned by the “gangster/welfare culture” that none of the blacks will listen to you. They’ll just view you as some self righteous honkey.

          However, it seems like everywhere I go in my hometown, most blacks want a white girl. So we can probably expect that, at least as far as small towns go, the prison/industrial complex will get weaker and weaker over time (The black culture just gets melted with the white one.). It may not be the same for Fergueson and other heavily majority black areas though.

          BTW, Iv’e practically never seen a black guy with a black girl, on my college campus or at Wal Mart or anywhere.

        • Jason Y

          I think ep-gah means well and has the best interest of blacks and other non-whites in his thoughts, for the most part. But a lot of these groups just don’t care. Among the more extreme lot of a race, usually concentrated in heavily ethnic areas, it’s not cool to like white people, just as in heavily white “country” areas, it’s not cool to like black or Asian people.

        • EPGAH

          If the THUG culture (Phil and others prove that’s NOT black culture) gets melted in with white culture, won’t that be like the “white trash” you claim merged with your family, except 400 MILLION times worse?

          Which do you think will dominate? The law-abiding white culture, or the “Whatever Feels Good” thug culture?
          I note that Blacks target white girls, but if you read on the Internet, it’s because they want someone they can DOMINATE. Look up the Spouse Abuse statistics! SPOILERS: This is NOT a good thing for the white girls!

        • EPGAH

          How many NONWHITE groups, though, are even EXPECTED to care about outsiders, let alone hereditary enemies?

          Have you ever examined that part of the problem? Why does noone call say, Chinese or Japanese racist? And the few who do get shrugged off, they’re HAPPY to keep outsiders…well, OUTSIDE!

  21. Matt

    I’ve met a lot of Brazilians, and anecdotally, I’ve never met one I’d consider butt ugly. Most are at the higher end of the attractiveness scale, IMO.

    • To santoculto,

      while alot would argue whether what you are describing is “true intelligence” (I however agree with your definition), your definition nevertheless is what matters.

      For example, the intelligence conundrum between total librel and total conservative populations. Now, I’m not arguing on behalf of political beliefs, but rather to note that despite librels having a higher AVERAGE iq towards the general conservative population (the exception is when you filter for librel conservatives rather than a social one), the excess altruism of librels makes them lose perception ability.

      It it was said that primitive races, despite there lower iq, were often alert in regards to perception of something alien. Of course, this ability in it’s raw form is rather primitive but with a iq boost thus making perception given comprehension it becomes more balanced.

      With this said, many blacks (probably more than whites in terms of proportions) are more aware of differences.

      Thus I feel blacks around the mid 90’s are probably have the best balance.

  22. Jason Y

    In response to santo-culto, it’s difficult to tell who has went over the edge in any political philosophy, but the best course of action is to remain sane. Also, my views while seen as liberal by white nationalists, are not really liberal. I’m not supporting the liberal or conservative platform of the controlled US debate.

    Note, as far as Brazil goes, Iv’e seen movies like “City of God”, but I don’t really understand why the Brazillian government refuses to implement a real solution to the poverty/crime problem there. However, in the US I can see what’s at play in thier own “non-white” problem (which you could expand to include poor whites etc..)

    • Jason Y

      Also in response to santo-culto. considering what Iv’e seen on Stormfront etc.. to be called a psychopath makes me say, “LOOK WHO”S TALKING” I mean really,

      • Jason Y

        Ultimately, liberals are called names cause people don’t like what they’re saying, just like conservatives are called names, cause people don’t like what they’re saying.

        To be saying people are psychopathic or diseased because one disagrees with their words, is some course of action that may be up to debate. However, it’s a common practice in politics worldwide.

  23. Jason Y

    quote by ep-gah

    But again, you just said “Africa is full of pure bred blacks, and they’re also mean” Africa will be over a BILLION by the end of this century. America’s WHOLE POPULATION–including non-Blacks–is under 400 MILLION!
    Now you say ghetto is NOT the majority of their race?
    Please make up your mind.

    Good point, but I’m not saying ghetto is the majority type of Africans or African Americans. However, there are some bad Africans, and those Africans are indeed pure-bred for the most part. Santo-culto’s argument was that race mixing caused crime (feeble-mindedness), and that pure-bred blacks were less violent and mean than more mixed ones.

    • EPGAH

      Race-mixing caused criminals that were smarter than the average Blacks and could arrange successful country overthrows…But still dumber than whites so they couldn’t RUN the country after they “won”.

      Take Haiti, South Africa, and ESPECIALLY CONGO! (Formerly Zaire).

      As to “feeble-mindedness”, that depends on which parent you compare it to.
      If you take from the Black side, the offspring is a step up.
      If you take from the non-Black side, it’s a dropoff.
      Sort of like how having whites or Asians in majority-Black schools “raises the performance” OF THE SCHOOL, but lowers the performance of the whites or Asians because they keep getting bullied, unless they turn out to be Chuck Norris Jr. or Jet Li Jr.

      Have you ever looked up “Regression To The Mean”? This is the cruelest part of interbreeding: The offspring will “drift” toward the mean of the LEAST intelligent parent!
      https://notpolitcallycorrect.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/dailymail-mixed-race-relationships-are-making-us-taller-and-smarter-children-born-to-genetically-diverse-parents-are-more-intelligent-than-their-ancestors/

      As to meanness of the purebreds, have you not read Robert’s article about the “Magic Transformative Powers” of Culture?
      https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/the-breathtaking-effects-of-culture-should-not-be-underestimated/

      I don’t know if there’s a “Mean Gene” exactly, but the behavior of honeybees indicates there is, it’s in Africa, and it’s dominant!

      We need to carefully cultivate the ones that are nice, and shoot the ones that are vicious. Given our current sociopolitical climate, what are the chances of that?
      Cue Laugh Track

      There IS some encouraging news in ENGLAND, they’ve unclenched enough to allow genetic editing of a HUMAN baby–on the condition they DON’T implant it in a womb. Although it IS good to expand knowledge, to me this seems to redefine pointless!
      http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/02/uk-scientists-receive-worlds-first-licence-to-edit-genes-in-human-embryos/
      The alternative, though, sounds like the movie “GATTACA” or some Outer Limits episode. Humans couldn’t compete with the genetically-enhanced.

      What would you call GMO HUMANS?
      Homo Superior? Homo Deus? Androsynth?

      • Jason Y

        quote by ep-gah

        Race-mixing caused criminals that were smarter than the average Blacks and could arrange successful country overthrows…But still dumber than whites so they couldn’t RUN the country after they “won”.

        Take Haiti, South Africa, and ESPECIALLY CONGO! (Formerly Zaire).

        As to “feeble-mindedness”, that depends on which parent you compare it to.
        If you take from the Black side, the offspring is a step up.
        If you take from the non-Black side, it’s a dropoff.
        Sort of like how having whites or Asians in majority-Black schools “raises the performance” OF THE SCHOOL, but lowers the performance of the whites or Asians because they keep getting bullied, unless they turn out to be Chuck Norris Jr. or Jet Li Jr.

        Have you ever looked up “Regression To The Mean”? This is the cruelest part of interbreeding: The offspring will “drift” toward the mean of the LEAST intelligent parent!
        https://notpolitcallycorrect.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/dailymail-mixed-race-relationships-are-making-us-taller-and-smarter-children-born-to-genetically-diverse-parents-are-more-intelligent-than-their-ancestors/

        As to meanness of the purebreds, have you not read Robert’s article about the “Magic Transformative Powers” of Culture?
        https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/the-breathtaking-effects-of-culture-should-not-be-underestimated/

        I don’t know if there’s a “Mean Gene” exactly, but the behavior of honeybees indicates there is, it’s in Africa, and it’s dominant!

        We need to carefully cultivate the ones that are nice, and shoot the ones that are vicious. Given our current sociopolitical climate, what are the chances of that?
        Cue Laugh Track

        There IS some encouraging news in ENGLAND, they’ve unclenched enough to allow genetic editing of a HUMAN baby–on the condition they DON’T implant it in a womb. Although it IS good to expand knowledge, to me this seems to redefine pointless!
        http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/02/uk-scientists-receive-worlds-first-licence-to-edit-genes-in-human-embryos/
        The alternative, though, sounds like the movie “GATTACA” or some Outer Limits episode. Humans couldn’t compete with the genetically-enhanced.

        What would you call GMO HUMANS?
        Homo Superior? Homo Deus? Androsynth?

        What a load of crap. If people’s IQ goes up, it would stand to reason that would reduce crime. Also, as I was saying, Africans are pure-bred, but crime is also widespread in Africa, and I mean SAVAGE crime. So anyhow, we can say generally race-mixing has NOTHING to do with crime, especially going in the “low to high” direction.

        Again, the blame can be put at the environment for making ghetto blacks, (many of whom are mixed) mean. Of course, you can’t say the same for very low IQ blacks whom might go into rages time to time. However, at least those low IQ blacks won’t plot sophisticated crimes, but only beat thier wives and girlfriends.

        Ok, let’s look at chart at most mixed raced blacks, and see if most of them are ghetto, or just boring people. I’d say most, especially where i live with it’s good environment, are very dull and boring.

    • Jason Y

      Are u sure that you’ve thought this out? It could possibly be that the Catholic church is heavily to blame for the poverty (somewhat in latin America), and also colonialism etc…

      Look at the Phillippines, another Catholic nation in which the rich and poor are racially the same. As we see, the Phillippines is very poor, like Brazil.

      • EPGAH

        Wow, now you’re blaming RELIGION instead of environment? How long ARE you going to keep switching excuses?

        And actually, colonialism brought wealth. The wealth GAP expanded.
        Do you think it’s better for EVERYONE to be poor or at least SOME people to be wealthy?

        And the Brazilian Government raised hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS out of poverty…but the violence Levels stayed the same. Doesn’t that mean there’\s something OTHER than poverty causing the violence?

      • EPGAH

        Yes, there WAS less violence in South Africa when the savages were kept under control, rather than IN control.

        But I’m more interested in you talking about Brazil. You actually said that as they got richer, they got MORE violent, not less?
        What the hell happened?

        A lot of Liberals keep saying POVERTY is what causes violence–even to the point of California starting a pilot program to PAY criminals to stop committing future crimes! This is gonna be expensive and fail SPECTACULARLY!

    • Tony Swagger

      Anybody who thinks the above screed by this fag is remotely english is a retard.

    • Santoculto,

      I couldn’t help but contribute some thoughts on the idea of beauty and attractiveness.

      I pretty much agree that, on average, Europeans have the features that are the most visually attractive, however in my opinion what I consider to be an attractive trait to consider is personality.

      I don’t mean this in which black women could “make up” for there statistical reputation of unattractiveness on a physical level, but rather to further explain why they aren’t liked. Based on popular anecdote, I’ve heard of black men not liking them because they wouldn’t maintain themselves thinking that if they did it was just to “look good of men”, often mean towards them and often trying to resist being unfairly dominated as well as insensitive.

      Honestly, I l see why they would act this way, to resist being abused by men but otherwise it is annoying and repulsive.

      On the otherhand, since Black women were given more independence selection in black societies they have more stable individuals in average, so I’m not turned off at the idea of being with one as long as her personality is good. As far as looks go, I not really picky and I don’t expect european traits. A matter of fact, alot of the women photogrpaghed in this book aren’t unappealing.

      https://books.google.com/books?id=GaUSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=ibos+savage&source=bl&ots=YQnS8n2nZ0&sig=ldmgSjK_DIoi4JoO7iGC64etAKc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz7fvy-7jKAhWK7SYKHe02D4EQ6AEILjAE#v=onepage&q=belle&f=false

      even the old woman on 184 isn’t hard to look at.

    • Jason Y

      No santo-culto’s ramblings about beauty are crap. For one thing, they are so “cliche” racist. Oh yeah, (sarcasm) everybody knows white Europeans have superior looks, especially after hundreds of years of colonial rule. DUH……

      Anyone adjusted to a certain look (They see it everyday, or all thier life.), or if that look goes along with thier political philosophy (white nationalism or black nationalism for instance) will think that look is the best.

    • Santoculto

      jay-son,
      i though Phill or me call you to ”debate”….

      Phill,

      i’m talking specifically about physical beauty, of course,is not just it, i know very well because i search for essential moral (intellectual) integrity of the person and not just its physical surface. I know some people who are far to be beautiful in their physical appearence, many those who are black, but they are spectacular while human beings, infinitely more than great part of ”celebrities”.

    • Santoculto

      correcting

      jaaay
      I do not remember having called you to talk.

      You intrudes where you have not been called and repeats the same nonsense.

      You can not think of multiple perspectives, what a pity.

    • To Santoculto,

      Thank you.

    • Santoculto

      Phill,
        I have a neighbor, a black woman, already older, who takes care of another lady, ” White ”, by the standards here. Both are precious creatures, but the black ”caregiver”, called Maria, is indeed a kind of genius in friendliness, simplicity and kindness. She is the real queen, and not some old cachectic who lives in Buckhingham Palace. This is the essential purity, untouchable for the subhuman vermin of any social status.

    • Thanks for the example.

    • Jason Y

      Phil thinks some people are beautiful on the inside. Well, that would highly contradict the standard white nationalist shallowness so prevelant. I’ll go even further to say beauty in an opinion.

    • Tony Swagger

      I aint no fag santo. You admitted that you are a fag, Faggotism is a disease and a repulsive act. it is for mongrels like you. Yes dickwad, beauty is in the eye of beholder. Maybe you look yourself in the mirror and talk all the time. Brazilians are not bad looking by any standards. Its just that too many of them are favela types like you. Nothing you can do about it. Cant change the fact that you’re buttugly, isnt it?

      Quote by the faggot lover “But I’m too advanced for this planet of monkeys who think they are wise”

      Hahahahah this shit is hilarious, you cannot form a single coherent meaningful sentence yet you imagine yourself to be too sophisticated to comment on blogs like this. This guy is also too narcissistic. most faggots are timid, wimpy in general. One more reason to keep away from this shitstain. So stop thinking that you’re an intellectual and you cannot move into america just by cozying up white nationalists, they are far too intellectual and sophisticated to fall for your cozening techniques. Ofcourse certain fools will fall for your cozening and might even embrace you, so you can draw solace from those fags. Other than that you will forever be stuck in your shitty down dreaming about getting cornholed by a masculine fag. I’m Tony not Thammy. (TFB. Typical faggot behaviour.) LOL!!

    • Santoculto

      Two very bad ”people” (vermin) here AND the high class Lindsay do nothing. You’re disgusting, and ugly as a pig, loves this kind of situation to increase the audience of your blog. I feel a revulsion when I read your texts, seem a child.

      Yes, I write bad in English and I do not care for this crap.

      ok, lindsay you won.

      I bet now you will block me, you do not block the extremely stupid ” jay ”, or the moron ” tammee ”.

      You are extremely stupid, like much of HBBS, you live in an illusion called ” iq-cracy ‘, you think because it was convinced by a bunch of idiots who is a genius, then you will become. The genius lot of times is never recognized in his lifetime. You’re dying, their views on the phenomenon of life are extremely weak and written as if by an addict teen marijuana.

      I will not put up with any kind of insult by subhuman, or would be better for human legitimate, this cancer that must be destroyed, and preferably just that.

      You will lose me because I will never go back to comment here ever again.

      And this time, it is very serious.

      Until no more and something else, stop meddling in the Latin American policy, you barely know to the US, as wants to know other countries ***

      Phill,

      A demonstration of great talent of Brazilian black music, say, real music and not this crap ” funk ” or ” rhythms of bahia ”.

      Bye.

    • Jason Y

      Santo-culto is disrespecting me cause he doesn’t like what I’m saying, not for being stupid. Note, Iv’e not seen any indication he’s a better debater than I am, even if I turn out to be a bad debater (by educated opinion). He speaks of multiple perspectives which he claims to be an expert at showing people. Yet, Iv’e seen no more mulitple persepectives than what I’m dishing out.

      All he is doing classic schoolyard bullying. Taking certain things I’m saying and presenting them as being cliche. For instance, saying my comment “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, and making it seem like some childish moron slogan. However, it’s so easy to take crap that white nationalists say, make them seem cliche, and then start mocking them.

      For instance, he brings up dumb stuff like white beauty is the basis for all beauty, and all non-whites know that (Those silly monkeys😆 ) Really, well, I retorted that 500 years of colonialism made them that way. Well, NO SHIT.

    • Jason Y

      Santo-culto reminds me of Chris Elliot on Cabin Boy.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Boy

      A little smart-ass pampered schoolgirl, who has 19th century views of race relations. Always funny about these white nationalists, they lash out at people whom, if they were right in front of them, would kick thier ass from here to Bali. lol

      He can smart-off on this blog and to his teachers at school, but manly men won’t put up with it. Note, ep-gah only puts up with it, cause he’s a fellow white nationalist.

    • Jason Y

      Note some white nationalists can speak thier mind in front of non-whites, but little gay ones won’t be able to. No way, unless the specific non-whites are little girls. Maybe they could get into some little hair-pulling fight. LOL

    • EPGAH

      So you like to mock, but you don’t like to BE mocked?

      Also, rewatch “Cabin Boy”. The Cabin Boy grows up, leaves the “Fancy Lad” life and joins the crew of the “Filthy Whore”!

      You should also watch “Stardust”, same “Grow Up To Prove Yourself To Your Girl” premise, but a lot more positive, and a lot weirder!

    • Jason Y

      quote by ep-gah

      So you like to mock, but you don’t like to BE mocked?

      Also, rewatch “Cabin Boy”. The Cabin Boy grows up, leaves the “Fancy Lad” life and joins the crew of the “Filthy Whore”!

      You should also watch “Stardust”, same “Grow Up To Prove Yourself To Your Girl” premise, but a lot more positive, and a lot weirder!

      Santo-culto called many people ugly and freakish monsters (based on the shallow concept of inborn facial features, skin color etc.. alone). Anyone like that deserves to be mocked. Let’s not be too politically correct here. What goes around comes around. Santo-culto isn’t a nice person by any stretch of the imagination.

  24. Jason Y

    quote by phil

    I pretty much agree that, on average, Europeans have the features that are the most visually attractive, however in my opinion what I consider to be an attractive trait to consider is personality.

    No, beauty is way too based on opinion. It’s so easy to prove. For instance, so many guys like skinny girls, but some like fat girls, even not out of desperation.

    • Jason Y

      There are even some white guys who think Japanese women etc.. are ugly, but other white guys who are asiaphiles etc..

    • “No, beauty is way too based on opinion. It’s so easy to prove. For instance, so many guys like skinny girls, but some like fat girls, even not out of desperation.”
      First of all, I did say that there could be some element of subjectivity.

      Second, what you are describing is a fallacy. What you’re focusing on is the variation of what is deemed attractive RATHER than the representative opinion, which is the main point.

      • Jason Y

        Your making this way too intellectual. It all boils down to preference. It’s like saying I prefer Chinese food over Japanese food.

        • EPGAH

          No, there actually ARE universally accepted biological/mathematical ratios that make someone beautiful.
          http://legacy.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue6/features/feng.html

        • And again you aren’t seeing the big picture. I’m not denying the power of preference, what I’m talking about is AVERAGES. Exactly, HTF is that being too intellectual?

        • Jason Y

          quote by ep-gah

          No, there actually ARE universally accepted biological/mathematical ratios that make someone beautiful.
          http://legacy.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue6/features/feng.html

          No there isn’t. They’re making this stuff too scientific.

          Anyhow, calling people ugly is very rude and a massive insult. Well, obviously cause it’s so unjustified. There is no science to back it up, as well as it just being cruel.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          That article is probably just partially accurate.
          Attractiveness is about how evolved one is, and how they can advance your genes and that of your species.

          Symmetry may be considered attractive because it means one is physically balanced/can move faster?

          The Hip and fat stuff is obviously about Child-bearing and the immune systems in women.

          Blacks are more physically advanced; it’s cultural things that make them considered less attractive. However, perhaps high-IQ features like having a large head, or being tall, or being thin, or being Asian or Ashkenazi are attractive as well….maybe……………

  25. Jason Y

    Take afros or dreadlocks for instance. In white Tennessee, they’re considered ridiculous, but in NYC or Jamaica, they’re the cool thing. Cause see, it’s all based on opinion. Yet, Mr. Smart “santo-culto” can’t even understand that, even saying I’m a retard.

    • Jason Y

      correcting

      jaaay
      I do not remember having called you to talk.

      You intrudes where you have not been called and repeats the same nonsense.

      You can not think of multiple perspectives, what a pity.

      You brought up the debate mentioning my name, or are you like those south USA racists who talk negatively about black people in front of thier black servants, expecting there won’t be any revenge or backtalk.

      • Jason Y

        Another dumb argument by sano-culto, he says I had photos of mixed raced models, but if mixed raced was really ugly, there wouldn’t be any models. My guess the look on those photos was average.

    • hair style, however, is a different medium of appearance than actually phenotypes of a person’s biology.

      Even if you can’t accept that, sure, you CAN have some features that are subjective however there are indeed trends, such as symmetry of a person’s face, that are viewed as attractive on a biological level in general.

  26. Jason Y

    correcting

    jaaay
    I do not remember having called you to talk.

    You intrudes where you have not been called and repeats the same nonsense.

    You can not think of multiple perspectives, what a pity.

    There are no multiple prespectives. Either you think mixed raced is ugly or you don’t. In other words, you either accept opinion as fact (as you do) or you don’t. So maybe if I said hamburgers tasted horrible, then that would have to be the accepted way everyone should think, Right?

    As for intellegence, it gets more complicated and you find multiple perspectives.

    As for white nationalists in general, Iv’e never seen any multiple presepectives, but just a repeat of the standard “Jews are evil, mixed race is ugly, white people are unfairly persecuted” line.

  27. Jason Y

    Maybe half of all guys like Japanese women, but some don’t. So whose opinion should we take as fact? The ones who like them, or the ones that don’t. So again beauty is based on opinion, for the most part. If it was something like a burn victim that would be different. But that’s an extreme example, and anyhow, it would be cruel to make fun of someone like that anyway.

    • Jason Y

      I mean half of all white guys find Japanese women attractive, and of course, I haven’t even mentioned the opinion of other races either, so again more evidence, it’s just a bloody opinion.

  28. Jason Y

    If the THUG culture (Phil and others prove that’s NOT black culture) gets melted in with white culture, won’t that be like the “white trash” you claim merged with your family, except 400 MILLION times worse?

    Which do you think will dominate? The law-abiding white culture, or the “Whatever Feels Good” thug culture?
    I note that Blacks target white girls, but if you read on the Internet, it’s because they want someone they can DOMINATE. Look up the Spouse Abuse statistics! SPOILERS: This is NOT a good thing for the white girls!

    Black girls don’t put up with the black guy’s attitude, white girls don’t. Black girls will even kill and not think nothing of it.

    Anyhow, if white girls are so dumb to fall for “ghetto blacks” then they deserve what’s coming to them. I mean, they know black girls don’t put up with it, but they fall right into the trap.

    Again, also, as I said before, these white girls might be “racist white trash” who want toys. So the black thug crosses them, she calls him a nigger, then the black slashes her face. After that, its just another statistic for white nationalist bloggers like Sam on here to post pictures. “Oh, the poor bitch.” LOL

    However, there are are sane boring blacks, probably a great deal of them, and they marry white girls and it’s no big deal. However, you’d have to watch out for the ghetto ones, and also the ones whose IQ is incredibly low. One way to find out is to see if they can read well.

    • Jason Y

      Again with ep-gah is massive generalizations, saying ALL blacks, or most of blacks are ghetto blacks (or perhaps really low IQ ones). That’s not the case, and thinking so stirs of massive unjust hatred.

      I think honestly a lot of these white girls who do fall for “bad blacks” have it coming. Either they’re just incredibly stupid, or they are some kind of pyscho racist white trash who wants black toys. Iv’e met so many girls like that. So now they get what’s coming to them. I’d say it’s simply natural selection.

      Especially, I don’t feel pity for bitches who want toys. They’re so racist they could join a Klan meeting, yet they feel they have to play with blacks.

    • Jason Y

      Oh yes, I was always well aware gentle very low IQ blacks can go into a rage, and also ghetto blacks (higher IQ but bad environment) could also do the same. So the white women should watch out for that. If they don’t, they only have themselves to blame.

      Don’t blame a so called “Jewish media” either. It’s just common sense to be able to sense good from bad. I guranatee these bitches know these specific black guys are bad, and they purposely go for it. Anyone want to debate?

      The only murky area would be very low IQ blacks, whom might come across as gentle. I don’t perhaps an education campaign should be setup to warn people. To make it seen non-racist, they could just generalize and say “retarded people”.

      • Another William Playfair Web

        “I was always well aware gentle very low IQ blacks can go into a rage, and also ghetto blacks (higher IQ but bad environment) could also do the same. So the white women should watch out for that. If they don’t, they only have themselves to blame.”

        Fight or flight, it’s how you adapted (intelligence) to SURVIVE.

  29. Jason Y

    I don’t hate santo-culto, but his views on being “ugly” are very cruel and harsh. That’s why he particularly is morally and spiritually repulsive to me.

    As far as ep-gah goes, he means well, and is probably not as shallow as santo-culto, but he makes massive unscienfiic generalizations of blacks etc.. He doesn’t think the environment makes a difference at all, and seems to think these race-mixing white bitches are not totally aware of the evil they’re getting into to. Note, I’m not saying all race-mixers are doing it with ghetto blacks though, or that race-mixing is always wrong.

    • Jason Y

      I do realize black men can seduce and then turn evil, but I think parents should do a better job teaching thier girls to spot out imposters. Nonetheless, I’d say the white girls are “looking for a bad boy” in a lot of cases. They want a big penis, strong body, witty personality, and punk attitude. So in that case, what can be done? Nothing.

  30. Another William Playfair Web

    Two questions to mainly Phil or Robert, or whatever.
    (These questions, unfortunately, may also effect me)…

    What is the end game for the Alt-Left?
    -No Affirmative Action
    -Segregated public schools.
    -Repealing the Civil Rights Act of 1964..
    what does the Alt Left want relating to Non-Asian minorities (I assume they are okay with Asians), what about Jews, too. Do they want to unseat them from power?
    Where do Intelligent non-Asian Minorities/ non-Asian minority “race realists” fall. Do they still get to live integrated in White Society. I’d say they have to think for themselves/get data independently, and hence have IQs of 110+

    This is getting real with Trump being the presumptive nominee (although he is more aligned with the Alt-right), so this is a legitimate question?

    Places like AmRen never really answer this because either; a. Jared Taylor comes out as a blatant Pagan-type White Supremacist to appease his base or b. piss of his base.

    The Alt-Left is more intellectual. I wonder what you guys think…

    • I don’t believe segregated schools are a thing of Alt left however Robert has written in the past of lesser tolerance towards misbehaving students.

      In terms of repealing Civil Rights, no. However, exclusive beneits towards minorities like AA would likely either be modified where it doesn’t hurt whites or be nonexistent.

      I think Unz Review is more versatile than Amren as being a “Alt Right” site, Amren really being closer towards White Nationalism in general. It has various authors on that and to be honest I haven’t read anything “extreme” however I really only look their for HBD stuff rather than Politics.

    • Other stuff concerning, I think Robert could answer better. Honestly my only reason of being into “politics” here was about race sensed it been stuck to me for so many years.

    • Another William Playfair Web

      Well, it’s we are getting close to actual having to know/decide these things, and both the Alt-Left and Alt-Right have a lot to come up with.

      Basically no special treatment for Blacks.

      -Segregating Schools would basically just translate to limiting Affirmative busing to only the most deserving students.

      -Ending Affirmative Action in the workplace and at Higher Education institutions.

      -Limiting Immigration in general

      -Ending media censorship of HBD

      However, I think cutting aid/welfare to the ghettos could lead to negative repercussions (worse than benefits by cutting them), like riots.

      I also think that the War on Drugs is highly counter productive. (Why agressively target lower-IQ populations).

      Really, at least from what I can see is a change in culture that is needed, and culture is abstract/undefined/not empirical, so that tough to do.

    • Another William Playfair Web

      There was once a commenter on here who said;
      ‘1/4 of Black-Americans could blend into the White Middle Class
      1/4 of Black-Americans could blend into the White Lower Class.
      1/2 of Black-Americans can’t handle being anywhere near modernity’, and I think that’s true, of course it is assuming to a certain extent that Regression to the mean is BS, because the gaps from a <1 correlation aren’t filled randomly, but environmentally, which actually could be a lose function of ancestors’ IQ.

      But back to the first point, the problem is we can’t just send 1/2 of the Black-American population back to Africa.
      That’s laughable and probably impossible, and probably not necessary.

    • I can only speak for my own wing. Rabbit’s wing is a lot different and is more White nationalist, so his answers will differ.

      Two questions to mainly Phil or Robert, or whatever. (These questions, unfortunately, may also effect me)…

      What is the end game for the Alt-Left?
      -No Affirmative Action
      -Segregated public schools.
      -Repealing the Civil Rights Act of 1964..

      We do not want segregated schools. We do not want to repeal the CRA. Affirmative action probably needs to go in the public sector, but most states are outlawing it anyway. The private sector can do whatever they want.

      what does the Alt Left want relating to Non-Asian minorities (I assume they are okay with Asians), what about Jews, too. Do they want to unseat them from power?

      NAM’s? Quit importing them. Restrict Blacks to the best and the brightest and all Hispanics coming in must have average IQ’s of 98. We do not care about Jews, but we will criticize them.

      Where do Intelligent non-Asian Minorities/ non-Asian minority “race realists” fall. Do they still get to live integrated in White Society. I’d say they have to think for themselves/get data independently, and hence have IQs of 110+

      They can live with Whites if they wish, and they already do anyway. Unfortunately, any NAM’s get to live in White society, just like now. There is nothing we can do about it.

  31. S.D.

    IQ is somewhat over-rated. High IQ people in disadvantaged situations tend to develop a great deal more articulate anger about their life situation than a dimmer person might.

    Charles Manson is an example.

  32. S.D.

    Australia, Canada and other big British-settled countries do not have to waste the resources or time on these issues. That is the bottom line.

    I have lived in many different countries and feel a sense of weariness that the U.S. deals with this issue into the 21st Century.

    • S.D., that is because they don’t have any NAM’s.

      Canada is 3% Black, 1% Hispanic and 4% Indian, but Indians don’t cause a lot of problems.
      The UK is 3% Black.
      Australia is 2% Aborigine.

      The US is 13% Black, 17% Hispanic and 1% Indian.

  33. S.D.

    This is why I live abroad.

  34. S.D.

    Philippines resembles South America more than the rest of Asia because of the Hispanic admixture.

    Other than that, the rest of the world is quite free of the problems the U.S. faces

  35. Chinedu

    There are a lot of white racists on the Internet trolling as black men. They think by giving an “insider” perspective they can add weight to their arguments. Phil is not black. What black person would herald Richard Lynn while describing Lynn’s detractors as cherrypickers and research fraudsters? Isn’t that exactly what Lynn has been indicted for repeatedly — why he has detractors in the first place?

    In fact Phil is in love with the entire rogues gallery of pseudoscientific charlatans that no one takes seriously other than a tiny fringe of keyboard racists. People like Phil who make an occupation of playing black on the Internet can’t seem to do it credibly. There’s no nuance or subtlety, no attempt to demonstrate even a modicum of impartiality.

    I’m black, educated and probably more successful than Phil. I have no non-black admixture. I have a company that employees dozens of people, most of them white. I know that there are significant problems in the black community. In fact most black people recognize these problems. But no real black person I know of reacts to these problems by adopting the idioms and values of inveterate white racists. Before he was outed as a sex predator, Bill Cosby spoke some of the language of self-improvement that always been part of the tapestry of black America. There’s a vast difference between that and what Phil does.

    • “There are a lot of white racists on the Internet trolling as black men. They think by giving an “insider” perspective they can add weight to their arguments. Phil is not black. What black person would herald Richard Lynn while describing Lynn’s detractors as cherrypickers and research fraudsters? Isn’t that exactly what Lynn has been indicted for repeatedly — why he has detractors in the first place?

      In fact Phil is in love with the entire rogues gallery of pseudoscientific charlatans that no one takes seriously other than a tiny fringe of keyboard racists. People like Phil who make an occupation of playing black on the Internet can’t seem to do it credibly. There’s no nuance or subtlety, no attempt to demonstrate even a modicum of impartiality.

      I’m black, educated and probably more successful than Phil. I have no non-black admixture. I have a company that employees dozens of people, most of them white. I know that there are significant problems in the black community. In fact most black people recognize these problems. But no real black person I know of reacts to these problems by adopting the idioms and values of inveterate white racists. Before he was outed as a sex predator, Bill Cosby spoke some of the language of self-improvement that always been part of the tapestry of black America. There’s a vast difference between that and what Phil does.”

      Well one, none of that has anything to do with what I said in this article.

      Two, some of what I said (such as the conclusion) was tongue in cheek, and I don’t really believe that you needed these stereotypes to “be black”. The general theme of this article was that I never really felt natural, not uncomfortable, when being with other blacks in the sense that I was never really on the ball with trends like sports, music, or anything much that Black youths discussed. I like my friends that I made in child and then on when I grew up who were Black, but I was always a bookworm.

      Three, you keep on saying racist when HBD topics are expressed ,but you have never successfully debunked them by never giving a scientific argument or source.

      Also, if you pay attention to the article, I treat HBD as an obstacle. In the long run, my goal for the Black community to improve statistic-wise is actions by themselves rather than implementing Eugenics.

      Why I cling to HBD still is from my mother and father’s experience with other Blacks, in which they scene those who were incorrigible both young and old on how to get on the right path. Quote me in any comment where I said that all Blacks were “one way”.

      • Chinedu

        Phil,

        Watch interviews of black people from the 60’s and 70’s. They were generally very well spoken, well dressed and well mannered. This was during the time when the adage held that a black man had to be twice as good as a white man in order to be successful. Many blacks took that to heart and attempted to be twice as good as whites. I invite you to read old Ebony and Jet magazines. Many of the articles were about self-improvement, self-reliance, education, etc.

        Now, something happened in the 70’s and 80’s to coarsen black culture. I think, in part, it was a reaction to intransigent racism which didn’t care if a black person was well-educated or well-mannered. In fact for many racists, the site of a successful black man is what riles them up. You see it in the HBD crowd, the vast majority of whom are racists. Nothing creates a feeding frenzy of invective more than a mention of successful blacks. They immediately take to their keyboards and go to town, trying to discredit or dispute anything positive pertaining to black people

        Also, if you pay attention to the article, I treat HBD as an obstacle. In the long run, my goal for the Black community to improve statistic wise is actions by themselves rather than implementing Eugenics.

        Have you considered that if eugenics is ever implemented, you and many of the other racist crackpots would be the first ones rounded up? Your ideology is anachronistic. Future generations will look back and wonder how people could be so stupid. Increasingly, the younger generations want nothing to do with it. When you folks die off, there aren’t going to be many following in your footsteps. Each day, you are increasingly marginalized. You can’t even utter any of this nonsense anywhere except on the Internet with its cloak of anonymity.

        • “Phil,

          Watch interviews of black people from the 60’s and 70’s. They were generally very well spoken, well dressed and well mannered. This was during the time when the adage held that a black man had to be twice as good as a white man in order to be successful. Many blacks took that to heart and attempted to be twice as good as whites. I invite you to read old Ebony and Jet magazines. Many of the articles were about self-improvement, self-reliance, education, etc.

          Now, something happened in the 70’s and 80’s to coarsen black culture. I think, in part, it was a reaction to intransigent racism which didn’t care if a black person was well-educated or well-mannered. In fact for many racists, the site of a successful black man is what riles them up. You see it in the HBD crowd, the vast majority of whom are racists. Nothing creates a feeding frenzy of invective more than a mention of successful blacks. They immediately take to their keyboards and go to town, trying to discredit or dispute anything positive pertaining to black people”

          Sadly I have seen this.

          “Have you considered that if eugenics is ever implemented, you and many of the other racist crackpots would be the first ones rounded up? Your ideology is anachronistic. Future generations will look back and wonder how people could be so stupid. Increasingly, the younger generations want nothing to do with it. When you folks die off, there aren’t going to be many following in your footsteps. Each day, you are increasingly marginalized. You can’t even utter any of this nonsense anywhere except on the Internet with its cloak of anonymity.”

          Again, you misunderstood what I said. What I said was that for Blacks I see HBD as a possible explanation towards Incorrigibility.

          I never said that I WOULD implement eugenics. Again you put your feeling where you’re brain should be.

          My solution involves the spread of personal responsibility being extended (again, while many do it is not completely taken into heart.) From my mother’s and father’s experience they have scene people make a fuss about racism when they don’t even reflect on their own actions.

          And if there is legit misunderstanding on how problems in the black community work what I believe is not to expect the police to do fix it or understand, but for us to look out for each other and form a commission to understand and fix social problems myself.

          My father took me to a charm school (really just session in a church) where this done and there were many black males there.

          The problem is, why not do this? The issues can be explain from my mother’s experience in teaching young children and helping adults get into college. She often noted that while some where tolerable, many were rude, uncooperative, etc. Dealing with them felt like a waste of time, leaving those who try to help giving up.

          However, while she did say that there were ones we can’t change, she also says there were ones that were different but get mixed up with them.

          Then there’s your points with white racists. As you have expressed unyielding frustration with them, that proves my point that it’s useless trying to convince others who want to generalize.

          I don’t, all I do is just keep biology in mind. All I do think is that others are not going to understand “us” and that when is comes to behavior and such only us can do it.

    • Another William Playfair Web

      “There are alot of white racists on the Internet trolling as black men.”
      It seems like that would warm up other White racists to Blacks, rather than persuade other Blacks to that point of view (as you are so not persuaded).
      But…does it matter? we just have to accept that for the most part Anecdotal “evidence”, ‘don’t mean sh*t’ (sorry, Jason).

      • Jason Y

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

        The science of probability and statistics was designed to produce real results. So any study would have to go thru the statistics machine to make sure data can be trusted.

        • Jason Y

          Anecdotes like this do not prove anything.[12] In any case where some factor affects the probability of an outcome, rather than uniquely determining it, selected individual cases prove nothing; e.g. “my grandfather smoked 40 a day until he died at 90” and “my sister never went near anyone who smoked but died of lung cancer”. Anecdotes often refer to the exception, rather than the rule: “Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic responses.”[13]

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Part of why I said it;

          “Where only one or a few anecdotes are presented, there is a larger chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.[1][2] Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a generalized claim; it is, however, within the scope of scientific method for claims regarding particular instances, for example the use of case studies in medicine.”

          Fairly intuitive. Plus, what if it’s unverifiable to begin with (i.e. the individual is lying) – that’s a lot of it.

    • Another William Playfair Web

      I don’t if know if it’s common with Blacks, but it seems like every WN and their uncle either came from Detroit or South Africa😉

      • Jason Y

        Right, but they go into generalizations. It would be like seeing a Klan member where I live and saying ALL people who live here are the same way. Of course, though there is varying levels of hillbillyness or niggerness. So the extreme people are using the worst examples to generalize all.

        • Jason Y

          You can say some affiinity for black ghetto culture exists among all blacks, just like you can say most white people in Appalachia are a little bit racist. However, to call everyone an extremist is insulting.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          “Nigger-ness.” Why did you criticize me for using “Mud” even as part of mockery? I think you might be Black…

        • Niggerness LOL. I prefer niggertude actually.

        • Jason Y

          I couldn’t tell it was mockery. Now I get it.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          It’s a straw-man tactic. Expose the sheer nastiness.

        • No hyphen in niggerness and hillbillyness please, at least according to my Oxford here. Please remember to use proper grammar on the site.
          😉

  36. Jason Y

    Phil’s dad was Idi Amin,😆 Come on, Don’t deny it.

    • Exactly what do the two have in common in particular?

      • Jason Y

        A harsh personality. Well, some would say masculine, but I don’t think always a bad thing.

        • Jason, out of all the Black Idols you could think of, you compared my dad to a African Dictator who’s barely popular in his own country today?

    • Another William Playfair Web

      If I said that, Jason, you would say I am a massive, disrespectful racist.

      • Jason Y

        No, it’s all a joke, humor, ha ha.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          Pretending to be an Alt-Righter. Like Stephen Colbert pretended to be a neocon.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          here’s one:

          “Fareed Zakaria says ‘U.S. and U.S.S.R. had a space race – well now, China and India, are in a race of a different kind – to build the most toilets’. Anybody still doubting White power? Fucking savages.”

          (I’m basically copying and pasting from Mann Coulter’s twitter).

        • Jason Y

          Good one. 😆

        • Another William Playfair Web

          I’m pretty sure Mann just casually uses the word “savage” on a regular basis. She’s going to get even more blacklisted by the mainstream after Trump crashes and burns, she’s only invited to MSNBC these days as a ‘get out and vote unless you want Aryan Ann for VP’.

        • Another William Playfair Web

          as a wake-up call so to speak.

  37. Joe

    I’m black, felt like an outsider ever since ever. The majority of black people are not ready for 21st century – I think I’ve known this even when I didn’t want to admit it.

    • An outsider? I feel you.

      But I want you to know that I felt the same way for a while, but I want you to know a few things:

      1.) Self hate gets you nowhere.
      2.) Being observant is a good quality.
      3.) It helps being around those who think the same.
      4.) If you want to talk, Robert could get you through to me, he’s the owner of the blog.

      • Jason Y

        I think it’s good people harshly criticize thier own race, but it seems nowadays only liberal whites are doing so. Why should everyone go a long with thier own race out of fear of being called a fag or a race traitor?

      • Joe

        Not self hate – actually, I’d describe it as a burden, not by race, but the people that make up the majority of the race.

        Gene combination is probabilistic. That implies culture can influence the direction, or expression, of certain behaviors.

        Black culture is generally poor. There were times when black American culture, for example, was great – I think around 1920s-1960s. This leads me to conclude willful ignorance in the “black community,” amongst other things.

        Nowadays I only think for myself and family. We’re few and far between to have any effect.

        • Jason Y

          I would pin most of the decline in culture to one parent homes, drugs etc… It had nothing to do with segregation as some black and white racists claim.

          The whole freedom which came after the 60s had a way harsher impact on black communities than white ones. However, nowadays, with all the meth and pain pill use, the poor white class is becoming like the poor black one.

        • Jason Y

          Ultimately segregation is stupid and ridiculous. I mean at one time, they even demanded seperate Bibles for black and whites in court. Sure the chains of segregation probabily kept some bad things away from drugs which are more easily accessible now. Nonetheless, from a modern persepective, as I was saying, segregation is an abomination.

        • Jason Y

          However, looking at some poor whites and blacks, thier chain tobacco smoking around children makes me want to segregate them. So I can undertand that mentality quite a bit.

        • Reading about Black and Africa, culture played a role based on how hey are.

          One of my goals is to create an adaptable one.

  38. Jason Y

    Another problem with HBD: Explain low IQ slavs. Hitler wanted to wipe them out, thinking thier low IQ only caused them to end up being ruled by Jews (via Communism). Well, slavs didn’t come from hot climates, so how come evolution didn’t make them supersmart (with the exception of some Russian math geniuses)?

    • “Another problem with HBD: Explain low IQ slavs. Hitler wanted to wipe them out, thinking thier low IQ only caused them to end up being ruled by Jews (via Communism). Well, slavs didn’t come from hot climates, so how come evolution didn’t make them supersmart (with the exception of some Russian math geniuses)?”

      Well first of all the cold is just one of many variables that give northern populations high IQs, with other variables such as inbreeding and such variables in their progression. It’s possible that during the slavs history that there could’ve been evolutionary difficulties in their IQ progression.

      Also, Slavs average from the mid 90s to the Mid 80s roughly, still higher than many populations from the southern hemisphere.

      So no, not a problem at all really.

      • Jason Y

        Perhaps the lower IQ puts them at more risk for sexual exploitation. In a way it’s kind of evil, because it resembles child molestation. If some high IQ guy buys porn from eastern Europe or goes there for sex, he’s basically just taking advantage of lower IQ people to his advantage. In other words, sexy grown women with childish brains.

        • Jason Y

          I’m wondering (since this is a creepy dark sicko blog anyway), looking at child molestation cases in say Cambodia. Could it be the parents have a very low IQ, hence that’s why they would be so willing to sell kids for sex (or sell themselves for that matter). Something that would sicken higher IQ parents generally ?

        • Jason Y

          However, Japan, a higher IQ nation, though is filled with porn and hookers on every corner. I don’t think, however, they would sell kids for sex, even if desperate. But then again, Japanese would never be desperate, cause they would never be as poor as Cambodia.

        • Your logic seems valid.

        • Jason Y

          After the devestation of say World War II you might find a Japanese people in desperation, but I don’t think they would sell kids for sex.

    • https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2016/03/02/family-types-in-eastern-europe-1500-1900/

      Here’s some evidence. While likely lower than the Arabic world, due to closeness of extended families in Eastern Europe inbreeding seems to be higher there than in other parts of Europe.

      • Jason Y

        Possibly inbreeding might be the reason for it pretty much everywhere. Most of the world thru much of history has been isolated. No travel means no genetic variation usually. Of course, some groups like Jews etc.. have specifically practiced bans on inbreeding (from the Bible) much to thier advancement.

        • Jason Y

          And of course Jews, by banning inbreeding became a master race which would threaten non-Jews, hence there is the reason for a lot of the hatred.

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