Anti-Communist Lie: Communism Is Bad Because Some Economic Refugees Flee from It

EPGAH writes:

If Communism is so great, why were and are there so many refugees from it?

Look, Communism isn’t for everybody. A lot of people didn’t like it, so they left. But a lot of people did like it, and they stayed. Recent surveys of East Europeans have found solid majorities in most countries saying life was better under Communism than it is now.

And the West always had larger economies with a higher per capita income.

But when Germany first split, it is little known, but vast numbers of West German socialists, Communists and Leftists left for East Germany. I have a German friend from Hesse who told me that there were many leftwingers in her extended family, and most of them emigrated to East Germany.

Venezuela has been experiencing high immigration from Colombia for some time now. These are the Colombian poor, working class and peasants. They are unanimous that their lives are much better in Venezuela than they were in Colombia.

The eastern half of Cuba is full of refugees from Jamaica and Haiti who left on rafts. These are the poor of Jamaica and Haiti and they are all adamant that life in Cuba is better than life in Haiti or Jamaica.

Yes, many Cubans want to come to the US. But has anyone ever noticed that Cubans always go to the US or Spain and never to the Latin American capitalist countries. If Latin American capitalism is so great, why aren’t Cubans heading there?

The thing is, it’s not only Cubans who want to come to the US as economic refugees. Huge waves of Mexicans and Central American economic refugees have flooded the US in recent years. Does this mean that Mesoamerican capitalism has failed? After all, 82% of Mexicans say they want to come to the US as economic refugees. Why doesn’t that prove that Mexican capitalism is a failed system?

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7 responses to “Anti-Communist Lie: Communism Is Bad Because Some Economic Refugees Flee from It

  1. Jason Y

    Yes, many Cubans want to come to the US. But has anyone ever noticed that Cubans always go to the US or Spain and never to the Latin American capitalist countries. If Latin American capitalism is so great, why aren’t Cubans heading there?

    The thing is, it’s not only Cubans who want to come to the US as economic refugees. Huge waves of Mexicans and Central American economic refugees have flooded the US in recent years. Does this mean that Mesoamerican capitalism has failed? After all, 82% of Mexicans say they want to come to the US as economic refugees. Why doesn’t that prove that Mexican capitalism is a failed system?

    Exactly, see US capitalism is better than the Latin American variety because it has some socialist features to it. Also, and this might be the larger reason, you can make a decent living, that is compared to Latin America, scrubbing a toilet in the US.

    So whether they get on US welfare or take the breadcrumbs off the capitalist system, Latinos are doing better in the US than in any Latin American nation.

    • Jason Y

      Of course free trade factors into a lot of this. Note in the 1970s and 80s, before NAFTA etc.., the immigration to the US from Latin America was far lower. In fact, at that time there literally no security on the border, something that was pointed out by the movie “Cocaine Cowboys”.

    • EPGAH

      To me, that only means these Latin American countries are doing something horribly wrong, and should give up the “Independent” part of the “independent country” bullshit.

      You have literally just said it’s better to be a criminal or a Welfare leech in America than a CITIZEN in Latin America, right?

      Also, did you notice we got a lot of immigration BEFORE we had the socialist features?

  2. EPGAH

    Robert, Jason, whoever else, Please stop using the “Economic Refugee” euphemism. It’s a euphemism for THIEF, and it’s degrading to REAL refugees who face REAL death instead of a worse LIFE!

    I’m talking about people who were jailed, tortured, or killed for speaking against State theft, and you’re talking about people with a worse house than mine, so they take that as a reason to break into mine.

    Also, Robert, when did you change your mind about illegals?

    I saved a really LONG screed you wrote earlier about immigration, filtered vs. unfiltered. The original is here:
    https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/immigration-a-question-of-quality/

    Here’s the relevant snippet:

    Illegal immigration is a catastrophe because the immigrants are unscreened. With legal immigration, we have a very strict process that winnows out a large number of prospective candidates. The process is so long and drawn out that only those determined to assimilate make it through the program. Once in, they need to be on very good behavior and can be deported for the slightest thing. Legal immigrants in general are not a serious problem in our nation. With illegal immigration, you are simply importing entire slices of foreign countries wholesale. It’s madness. We have no idea who these folks are, and many of them are criminals and bad folks indeed. Their whole time they are in the US they are breaking the law every day in myriad ways. Their employer is breaking the law. They are using fake ID. When you import an illegal, you’ve just imported a criminal. Refugees are another problematic group of immigrants, also because they are unscreened.

  3. EPGAH

    Also, they invade America rather than their fellow countries, because the country next door is a LITTLE better (Countries south of Mexico are as much worse than Mexico as Mexico is worse than America! Literally Mexico TO Mexico!)

    So if they’re going to break international law and steal from someone better off than them, why not steal from the one that’s WAY better off than them?
    And actually, MEXICO is bitching about THEIR illegals–including from Cuba–but they STILL cannot bring themselves to understand why WE don’t want THEIR shit anymore than they want their fellow Latin Americans!
    Upton Sinclair Syndrome a gogo!

  4. EPGAH

    The choice of stealing from a slightly better Latin American country or stealing from America is sort of like choosing between stealing from me or stealing from Trump.

    That said, the Richest Man In The World is no longer in America, it’s Carlos Slim, a Mexican of dubious origin. So why aren’t they stealing from him? Maybe because he’s willing to kill thieves and Americans haven’t been since Wilson? That’s the only thing I could think of that would give them pause!

  5. Johnny

    People were escaping from totalitarian communism, a very specific govt system akin to other totalitarian states. Communism’s original intent was something of a leaderless society and rule by the workers in councils in a democratic process. Of course we’re talking old communism and not what communism became in Europe, social democracy. It’s just a huge leap from one to the other that is important in a debate about what ideologies work better than others. The simple reality is that when people are involved you have problems no matter what is it they are doing (govt, corporations etc). Knowing that democracy, public transparency and policies that create opportunity are needed to, yes, spread the wealth. Is a hard worker scientist worth less than the CEO who runs the company and funds the research? And who decides that? And what of the people like Trump (who inherited $200 mil)? These are all questions that need to be asked especially when the conservative policies in the US have failed over and over again. We had 12 years of Reagan and 8 years of Bush that led to income inequality and erosion of worker rights. Nearly every Republican administration leads to erosion of the environment, privatization (and religion) of education (that has not led to better results) and lower worker pay. And with years of political power there was zero healthcare reform from the GOP. These results speak for themselves and do require a comparison to even poor communist Cuba which somehow manages to cover its entire populace at a fraction of the cost. Kind of an embarrassment really.

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